"Why is the Atheist Movement so white?" [End Quote]
Easy! The Atheism that dominates the international media is Western Atheism and/or Greek Atheism which is linked historically to the White Atheist of ancient Greece (i.e. Socrates, Theodorus The Atheist, Lucretius, e.t.c.). It makes sense that most Atheist today in the 21st century are white people who's Atheism operates within a Eurocentric materialist framework.
@puffballandres Romans 2:14-15 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;"
@puffballandres Allow me to clarify... If you are not aware that your actions are going to do something bad to someone else they can still be immoral. If that weren't so, the most ignorant person would be the most moral person.
Yes, but his definitions for for right and wrong (which is the premise of his whole argument) are not applicable the real world. The definition is not objective as he claims it is, as the it is subjective what suffering is necessary.
@puffballandres Actions that have a negative outcome cannot be classified as morally acceptable simply because you're ignorant of the consequences. Empathy is subjective. It cannot be the ultimate standard of morality.
@puffballandres Yes, everyone sins and deserves Hell, but God in his mercy made a way for us to escape Hell by sending Jesus to take the punishment for us.
My standard for morality is the Bible, written by an omnipotent and unchanging God. The ten commandments are part of the "old covenant," not all apply today, but most do.
There is no such thing as being open minded. If you open your mind to one idea, you close your mind to every conflicting idea. It's an illogical concept.
I don't get why he kept talking about rights. Atheists have the same rights as anyone else in America, and Christians have the right to look down on them if they so choose (though that would not be Christ like.) Also, without God there is no objective standard for morality, so as an atheist it's illogical to classify something as moral or immoral. And if Christians truly hated atheists, why would we warn them about going to hell. If we hated them wouldn't we watch silently?
@ItssBrian Not really, considering that God is in the pledge and on the money. Not true, that's a very Cristo-centric view, morality can come from other places. I have heard a lot of anti-atheist hatred from Christians. You can warn someone about hell, but it still makes your God disgusting that he would send people there simply for not believing in Jesus.
@ItsSpikeHere That's like saying people who don't believe in a republic form of government have less rights because it's mentioned in the pledge. Outside of a perfect and unchanging God, all measure of morality is completely arbitrary. And the reason people go to hell is because we choose to separate ourselves from God by sinning. But God made a way for us to be reconciled with Him by having Jesus pay the penalty for our sin.
@ItsSpikeHere It's true that some people who call themselves Christians do not act accordingly. That doesn't make the Bible untrue. In fact itself says that will happen in Matthew 7:22 - 23. God doesn't want to send people to Hell. People go to Hell because they separate themselves from God by sinning. Hell is eternal separation from God. Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance..." Cont.v
@ItsSpikeHere Lets not forget that refrences to god wernt added to money and the pledge until the mid to late 1950's the product of a sucessful campign by the religous establishment to theorcrise America. We were never a christian nation, we were a nation founded on freedom of religion becuase where we came from 1 religion was in the majority and we regonised the importance of freedom of and from religion, that is what our nation was founded on, Protecting the minority from the majority.
@ItssBrian When you pick and choose morality from the bible (ignoreing the parts about murdering your neighbor for breaking the sabboth, allowing slavery and so on) and pick out the good morals, then asert that the only reason there is to be moral is that there is a mystical man in the sky who will punish you when you die if you dont follow those rules is insulting to humanity. Morallity should come from intelligent thought and reasoning. The First admendment guarentees freedom of and from reli
@ne014x@ne014x You don't pick and choose. You study exegetically. Murder isn't condoned anywhere in the Bible, and your confusing ancient Hebrew Law with Christianity. And your also mistaken about the reason for doing good. 1 John 4:19 Says "We love him, because he first loved us." Also, your asserting that Gods morality is without reason. He is the most intelligent being in the universe. And yes, the first amendment makes religion optional. So what?
@ItssBrian so no where in the bible does it mention that he who breaks the Sabbath shall surely be put to death? Am i so wrong about the origins of morality because over and over Christians have asserted that god = morality and atheist are immoral because they dont have god. Region is fundamentally illogical. Instead of searching for the answers of the universe most Christians are satisfied with "god did it" or that it was. There is no search for scientific evidence.
@ne014x Nope, it doesn't, and if it did it would be just a history lesson, not command for Christians. Yes, you are so wrong about the origins of morality. "Region is fundamentally illogical." That makes no sense whatsoever. And you clearly have no idea what the bible says about searching for answers. Look at 2 Timothy 2:15, Proverbs 2:1-11, 1 Samuel 2:3, and Proverbs 8:10-11.
@ItssBrian This is what I mean about picking and choosing what the bible says. all religions are always picking and choosing things from the bible and the parts they dont like the simply discredit, your saying this verse I made up: EXODUS 31 V 14 `You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death;"
@ne014x It's a record of 4,000 year old Hebrew law. Also, capital punishment is not the same as someone just killing their neighbor. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." The time of Moses' law is over. That period of time has been completed. Christians (those who follow Christ) do not practice the law of Moses, and thus don't observe the Sabbath.
@ne014x by By Region being fundamentally illogical I mean that rather that explore science and make rational desicions based on evidince they reject science and decide they are content with religion as a nice security blanket, they start wars and kill in the name of their god, fly planes in to buildings, light them selves on fire, deny the rights of minorities, control science, pass laws that restrict what everyone can do, Religion is toxic to socity
We need more people to say things like this. Too often do the young keep themselves silent for the fear of being criticized. Too often do the minority keep themselves reserved and peaceful while their rights are pissed on. Just keep speaking the truth, man. MCL.
More need to come forward with the idea that we atheists don't care what religions believe, we just want to be tolerated as well; opposed to arguing the validity of any religions' beliefs or feeling the need to defend our own. Tolerance provides all civil liberties.
"They have made the happy discovery, that the way to silence religious disputes, is to take no notice of them. Let us too give this experiment fair play, and get rid, while we may, of those tyrannical laws" -Thomas Jefferson
That's all that stuff is; Christian propaganda the founding fathers never intended to be there.
EXACTLY~! Banning abortion or banning gay marriage is forcing a religious moral on the rest of us.
>_____< You're so smart~! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise~!
P.S. When you go to college you'd LOVE a Women's Studies class because it discusses the entire gambit of social oppression including institutionalized Christianity.
When I ask someone if they believe in god and they say yes. I laugh like crazy.. pathetic waste of autonomy. They don't even believe in themselves. Thank the asteroids that gave my blood iron and let me breathe today. I believe in myself and that's all I ever need.
@XxFourTwentyxX Oh! then I guess you're the person to go to if we're wondering why reality itself is the way it is, or why we are sentient beings in discriminate physical bodies. There are questions that go far beyond «believing in yourself». If you laugh as crazy when someone says they believe in God, then you are as narrow-minded and disrespectful as any intolerant christian. Einstein believed in God, so did Oppenheimer, and so does Richard Dawkins, who teaches at Berkeley. I am agnostic.
Except that Einstein actually believed in an abstract concept of god, where he equates the structure of the universe to the label we call 'god'. It's call pantheism, and it's not the same 'god' concept that most believe in.
And Richard Dawkins is an outspoken atheist lol. =P
Glad to see a fellow juggalo who knows "under God" wasn't in the original Pledge. I don't object to that part, I object to the whole pledge. I don't say it sincerely. Not until the republic pledges allegiance to me. Most of the people saying it are children who don't know the definitions of "allegiance" and "republic," not yet informed of free speech and the implied free silence. I think the pledge should only be for government jobs (military, senate, et cetera).
To me the Cross symbolizes the virtues Jesus demonstrated in dying for our sins: altruism, kindness, love, self-sacrifice, humility. (I don't wear one because I don't want people assuming those things about me without seeing me demonstrate those qualities, & I don't like jewelry) It's more about the wearer than the observer. A "God doesn't exist" shirt directly & deliberately contradicts others' beliefs. Not comparable.
Let me point something out: A juggalo just cited the Treaty of Tripoli. How many haters, pushing the stereotype of ignorant semi-literate juggalos, have even heard of that? Unfortunately, examples like this will mostly go unacknowledged.
It's sad and I'm still flipping out that being an atheist in the US is such a big deal. I think it has more to do with a narrow mind than religion itself, that I consider a burden and a plague, but mostly because of the institution. If belief helps you in your life that's ok, go on and pray, but using it just to feel part of a group and enhance that feeling by pushing the non-members away is plain sick.
@acaseforchrist1 Oh,yes, absolutely. Some of these evangelical Christians will tell you that the US was founded on Christian principles and that it was meant to be a Christian country. When you point out that the very first biblical commandment is in direct conflict with the very first Consititutional amendment, they tend to stutter and stammer. When you point out the conflicts in other Contitutional law with Christian principles, they sutter and stammer more.
listen I'm not stuttering the Constitution was written by Christians who wanted us to have freedom of religion which is in the bible (man should not dictate religion to man but it is God's place to command obedience). what of
@acaseforchrist1 What ignorance! It would be quite simple to get into a quotation tossing discussion, don't you think? I can find as many quotes as you can from the Founding Fathers, so why don't you save me the trouble and just check out the Internet? Of course there were some devout Christians among the Founders. The point is that even they still advocated a secular Constitution,
wow i did just, i searched the internet for quotes, so i think that makes you t ignorant to the fact that most (80-99%) of the signer of the Constitution where Christian and the few that were not supported the rest. secular back then had a quite different meaning then it does today. but never the less you show qoutes ether take out of context or false made up ones to better serve your cause. maybe if you cracked a old book and actually go to the source you find you are wrong.
@acaseforchrist1 I suppose that my study of American history in college was inaccurate. Sorry, pal, but your accusations are wrong. You seem to find it very difficult to understand that even the Christian founders insisted on a separate, secular government - by the definition of secular. Otherwise, the very first amendment to the Constitution would not be in direct conflict with the very first commandment of the Christian bible. "Thou shall have no other God before me". Don't be so blind.
"Otherwise, the very first amendment to the Constitution would not be in direct conflict with the very first commandment of the Christian bible. "Thou shall have no other God before me". " nope wrong again. we have the freedom to chose right from wrong and not be forced into the right or wrong in life the founding fathers reconized this (christian) concept and set it at the forefront of the Constitution.
@acaseforchrist1 You are not making sense. If this was meant to be a Christian country, no devout Christian would allow for belief in a god other than that of the Christian bible.
wow "no devout Christian would allow for belief in a god other than that of the Christian bible." you can't be Christian and believe in a god other that He who is God. what are you thinking?
@acaseforchrist1 Then Christianity is in conflict with the First Amendment, which allows belief in any god, or in no god, or in many gods. The founding fathers of the country did this quite intentionally. NO DEVOUT CHRISTIAN WHO FOUNDED A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY WOULD HAVE DONE THIS.
are you forgetting something? freedom to choose, which is a Christian concept any devout Christian who founded this country would have done this so that those who believe, believe based on their conscience, and those who do not may come to faith in God without the state making them. your point falls on it's own head because you lack context.
@acaseforchrist1 You crack me up. Besides not admitting that the First Amendment is in direct conflict with the First Commandment, you tell me that "freedom to choose" is a Christian concept. I suppose that all those devout Christians during the Inquisition, or the Crusades, the Pogroms, etc felt the same way. No, sir. Be real. The Constitution was INTENTIONALLY made to give us a completely secular government, with Thomas Jerrerson's WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE.
your mistake, Christian not catholic. free will is a Christian concept you would understand this if you ever read the Bible. the founding fathers because of things like the Inquisition wanted all men and women to have freedom of conscience.
@acaseforchrist1 You made my point. Therefore, the founding fathers, many of whom were Christian, made sure that the Constitution was secular and that Americans could choose to have a God beside them that is different than the Christian God, in direct conflict with the First Amendment. AMERICANS ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED TO WORSHIP GRAVEN IMAGES. This is not so difficult to understand, I think. There are other conflicts between the Constitution and the Christian bible.
but there is no conflict between the Constitution an 10 comandments. you miss the fact that the Constitution is the law of man, and the bible is the law of God. the founding fathers knew this, and would not make them selfs vicors of God. they could not in good conscience declare there law high than God's law. but as to the amendment should we not take plainly as it is written? (rhetoric) yes!!! therefore I as a Cristian have the right to put the bible anywere if I pleased, (school)
@acaseforchrist1 Sorry, but you can't put your bible in a public school. That would give the impression of a government-sanctioned religion, which you tell me those devout Christian founding fathers forbade. You make no sense, but to rationalize the fact that it was Thomas Jefferson himself, in explaining the First Amendment, explained that it's purpose was to "build a wall of separation between church and state". Get it, now?
@acaseforchrist1 Predestination is also a Christian concept, depending on who are "true" Christians. Some denominations believe God already chose the saved & damned, some sects have believed people have a rebirth experience where the Holy Spirit resides in a body so the person is partially controlled by God or doing God's will. All based on different understandings of the Bible. Catholics & some others believe sin is voluntary and our behavior in life affects life after death.
@peraspira First Amendment allows people to worship the God the First Commandment tells us to, so the government can't force us not to worship, worship a different god, or worship the president. It's so people don't have the dilemma of breaking one law to follow another. The First Amendment is designed to avoid conflict between US law & religious rules. It prevents government interference with obedient service to God. Freedom to choose is a bonus.
@qwexas Or, as Thomas Jefferson wrote, the First Amendment was intended to provide "a Wall of Separation between church and state". Yes. We are free to worship here as we please. As such, the Founding Fathers wrote a uniquely secular document that, in fact, is in contrast with much of Christian law, but it does not matter, as you state, because Christians, like others, are permitted to worship as they please. However, no Christian would think that allowing worship of other gods is permissible.
@peraspira Let me rephrase what you said. No Christian would FEEL PERMITTED TO worship other gods. Some don't think it's permissible for anyone at all to worship other gods. Others are bound by the First Commandment, but respect the rights of those not bound by it. Some of us are free to worship "as we please," others worship as their religion dictates, without interference by the government. It prevents the government from forcing a choice between prison and damnation.
if fact going back to the original, no where does it say (the Constitution) "separation of church and state", it says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. but you must of forgot that.
@acaseforchrist1 Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase "separation of church and state" when describing the intent of the Constitution in a letter he wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. He stated, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
look more into what he meant by that. Thomas Jefferson a Christian did not mean what is meant today by the secular administration "separation of church and state" He meant quite clearly that man has a fundamental right to worship God in our own way (or not to as the case may be). the Constitution does not say no Bibles in school, or Christians in office. it does not say that we can't pray anywhere we want or have the 10 commandments posted in school or in a courthouse.
besides history book that are not based off of the original documents and not historical at all, look at the references in the text book and compare them to the actual original (or very good copy "verbatim") of the document you'll see a difference right a way.
@acaseforchrist1 I have studied American history and law at the graduate level. If you want to get into a quote fight, be my guest. But you are correct in that you need look into the entire picture. On the graduate level, I have.Go look up Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists Association and the context. And, by the way, even though Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase in that letter, other founders used it, notably Alexander Hamilton, later on. LEARN YOUR HISTORY.
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."
--Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.
I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment."
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"Christianity is the only true and perfect religion, and that in proportion as mankind adopts its principles and obeys its precepts, they will be wise and happy."
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
In America the "religion versus atheism"-debate seems generally more heated and fanatic compared to Europe. We're quite secularized in say France or Germany, former German chancellor Schröder deliberately left out the words "with the help of God" during inauguration, and that did not stir any outcry.
@acaseforchrist1 I'm an agnostic, that's Schröders choice. Btw I think evolution and "Big Bang" theories are sustained by ample evidence, but no one knows why there is "stuff" at all. God is not "ruled out", but we simlpy don't know.
I 've no "we versus they" mentality: I honestly respect the Christian vicars who helped to topple East Germany's dictatorship in 1989, and the devout Catholic Stauffenberg, who's bomb narrowly failed to kill Hitler in 1944 (see Singer's film 'Valkyrie').
it maybe his choice but that does not mean it is good that he did it or that the lack of outcry is good. btw 6 day creation has more evidence, but the big bang theory lacks simple logic, ex. it does not agree with the 2nd law of physics. the bible point to the truth but if people rebel aganist God and His word then how well they ever know in this life.
P.s. it's good that you respect Christians though that does not help you ,BTW I'm not catholic, i'm Baptist
@acaseforchrist1 "it's good that you respect Christians though that does not help you"
You mean since I don't believe in the Christian God I will not get his grace and I'm somehow "lost"? Well, if there is a God then why should "he" feel the need to demand constant praising and hero-worship from his own fallible creatures? That would be ungenerous and rather reminds me of very human dictators ;-). I guess that the creator of this vast and complex universe would stand above these things.
"since I don't believe in the God I will not get his grace and I'm lost?" yes I do. but you just can't but God on the same level as man. He is perfect, man is not. besides that "human dictators" do not dies for there lowly subject nor offer foriveness with such ease. God stands above all men because He is mans creator not the other way around. you are under a King and His name is Jesus, as the bible says: every knee shall bow, and ever tongue shall confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
@acaseforchrist1 Just hypothetically assuming that the question "Is there a God ?" could be definitely answered one day: Either answer would not shock me, I'm pretty sure I could accept both possibilities. And just assuming the answer would be "no God": Would you - being so utterly 100% sure - be capable to accept that?
I've often seen that people who were 100% sure of something, and then were proven wrong, can't bear this shock and fiercely refuse to accept the unpleasant realities.
it is not weather you just accept His existence, it is that He is, and was, and ever will be God, lone sovereign of the universe and all that is in it. He does not need to prove Him self to man, but it is man that needs to prove them selfs righteous before Jesus. you and others can reject Him but that does not make Him any less real, everyone will be judged by Him for there deeds, and those who rejected His sacrifice and His forgiveness will be punished by Him. 100% or not
@acaseforchrist1 I rather guessed that you would not directly answer my question - maybe you feel God is watching, and these speculations are not allowed under his strict eyes ;-). But no problem, have a good time: "Live and let live".
as to the question yes 100% could accept it. that is if it were true. but it is not nor ever will be that is why I responded like I did to point out that your belief or lack of as the case is, does not matter, only that He is real and you will be judged by Him according to His laws. the "live and let live" way of life does not work because it is false and leads to sin.
Hey don't forget to mention women cant join the US army because they got breasts.
But basicly what a christian at work believes: Atheists have no morals.
That the 10 commandments are the only things to teach from right and wrong....
I think thats why a Constitution was made with many laws.
just give the kids the constitution to read so they know good from bad. we dont need the old version of avatar. I wouldn't be surprized after 1000 that avatar is the new religion XD
@Clanki really? I think this sums it up. 1 you shall have no other gods before Me 2.you shall not make yourself an idol 3 you shall not take the Lord's name in vain 4 remember the sabbath 5 honor you mother and father 6 do not murder 7 do not commit adultery 8 do not steal 9 do not lie 10 do not covet lets see avatar or the constitution do better !!!
@peraspira If it was in direct conflict, it would tell us to do the opposite. It doesn't tell us to do anything. It prevents the government from forcing us to break the Commandments. It doesn't impose a second set of Commandments that would be in conflict with the first, like "Thou shalt kill. Thou shalt steal." The Bill of Rights binds the government, the Commandments bind individuals.
This was.... actually a very descent video/point of view. While I'm not particularly religious, I DO believe in a God. But I also believe that their are religious "nutjobs" out there who will beat you with a Bible just becauuse your interpretation of life differes from the interpretation "given" to them by their church/school/parents.
you mean the interpretation given in the Bible, and no you are wrong. if you believe in something it aught to have a bases, but self made gods are a poor reason for anything.
P.S. I"m one of those "nut jobs". and becauuse is spelled because.
@acaseforchrist1 I mean, I look at it like this. I don't believe in the Christian God. But I DO believe in a devine (?) consciousness that created all things. I mean, how the hell can I explain all this shit: birds, bees, baseball. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing, so you gotta have something.That's MY basis. But don't be a nutjob.
(im a christain) in my belief yes i am dissapointed, as an american i say do what you want...i dont hate athiests(some of my friends/family are athiests) i dont like that, but the reason, i get irritated at atheism, because many athiests belittle my religion...when i see people like the amazing athiest...talking trash bout me and my religion it irritates me...i like the live and let live oh and (oh and i dont do the pledge cuz i hate the government)... plz dont dis my bible
@bretthicksomega I agree with live and let live. However I do feel that pointing out the flaws in Christianity and The Bible isn't wrong so long as I'm not attacking people just for believing, I just see a lot of things wrong with the book itself.
@ItsSpikeHere i can understand how a lot of stuff in the bible looks to a nonbeliever(no offense), i am guilty of the shocked disappointed response when i hear that someone is an athiest, but i dont go around attacking athiests, my cousin is one(i hate it) but i still love my cousin...most of the stuff i see from athiests is irritating, i can deffinately understand where you are coming from, you have explained it better than any other athiest ever, this country is far from christian
but you should be ashamed for being an athiest because it is wrong, God created you to worship Him alone, and just because you do not belive does not mean it is not true. so as a careing person I ask you to repent and trust in Jesus, that He is the one true God, please.
I'd just like to ask here, you're telling this guy "just because you do not belive does not mean it is not true", do you believe the reverse version ("just because you belive does not mean it is true") of that sentence could also apply to you? If you don't, wouldn't you call that hypocrisy? How would you like it if someone from a different religion gave you the "You are bad, I am good, I am right so be like me" speech like you just gave to spike?
but i'm not giving the "You are bad, I am good, I am right so be like me" speech, in fact i am just as bad as him. i have a lot of the same sins even (doubt, etc..) however i am forgiven because of my repentance and faith in Jesus. is this hypocrisy? NO. BTW if you do belive the stove is hot and do not touch does that make you a hypocrite?
Let me rephrase that, it's the "Your religious beliefs are wrong/bad, my religious beliefs are right/good, I am undoubtedly correct so believe what I believe" speech. It follows the same idea either way you say it. Also, stoves aren't living beings, saying 'just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's not true' to others, yet thinking that 'just because you believe in it doesn't mean it's true' doesn't apply to you, well, sane people call that hypocrisy, mate.
so let me ask you is there truth? should there not be a right and wrong? this idea is in fact very sane, and not hypocritical. it has nothing to do with the stove being living, rather it is the concept at hand. the stove is hot it burns and you or anybody for that matter will not touch it for it is hot regardless of what you believe. just as God is real so I and others believe, and if you don't you'll find out the hard way when you die (Hell). just like the stove it burns.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be a right and wrong, I'm saying it's putting your religion above everyone elses so much as to need others to believe exactly what you believe just because you believe it's true. Stoves can be proven to be hot, religion can't. Saying your religion is true no matter what and others -must- believe is silly. That's what you believe, ok? If someone doesn't believe what you believe, respect that, unless you want others to try and convert you as well.
but if one is right then it should be established as the only right one. and no that is not silly, it is correct.
besides atheism is not a religion it is a bad concept of reality. and with the stove what mattered was the idea not if it could be proven, but the bible is supported by secular history, logical arguments, and the fact every other religion is contradictory to say the least. and no i respect him, but i do not respect his beliefs especially since he is wrong.
*sigh* My point is, you can't prove to others if the bible is right or not. "but the bible is supported by secular history, logical arguments, and the fact every other religion is contradictory to say the least." So are some other religions, and yes, the bible -is- contradictory as well. What I'm saying is 1. you can't prove anyone wrong on religious beliefs (or lack of them), 2. You should respect peoples beliefs, whether or not they are wrong in your opinion-
the bible is not contradictory. but never the less i'd like to see one contradictory statement from the bible, because there is none. other religions lack any out side support even historical. like i said i have a respect for everybody as human beings but i nor anyone have to "respect" other peoples religions, and if you are so angry about this you should tell the musilums and atheists not to mock christianity. they do it all the time.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name./ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all.
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots/2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots
I gave you two instead. I never said you had to respect other religions, I said you should, unless you want others to do the same thing to you. And I'm not angry. I don't like anyone mocking any religious beliefs or lack of one.
can you not make a war for peace? beside in it's context exo 15:1-18 says that God defends His own for there peace (Isreal/ and the saved). God is at peace with the righteous, but at war with the ungodly. 1 kl 4:26/ 2 ch 9:26 seem to contradict but they do not if you understand that in those days there was no number to describe the amount so the author is trying to say simply there was a lot of them.
And yes, you can make a war for peace, but it's arguable that it's more peaceful to use reason and kindness rather than war, especially when you just wage a war you must have seen coming if you're some all knowing being. Also-
to make war does not always mean physical violence. my reasoning with you is me making war with you.
" especially when you just wage a war you must have seen coming if you're some all knowing being" yes God is all knowing but he gave us free will. GE 11:7-9 God sows discord, PR 6:16-19. answer gen 9:7 (notice God does not lie, or murder, but it is His right to have pride in his work and cause division (He is God) )
Free will isn't an excuse. He saw it coming, free will or not.
T-rex does not = birds, no one said that. The idea you are looking for is that prehistoric bird-like dinosaurs with similar anatomy/genes/dna/ect -may- have evolved into modern birds. And if you want to make others believe there is no evolution, you better get some evidence buddy.
- You should respect peoples beliefs, whether or not they are wrong in your opinion, unless you want others who believe your beliefs are wrong to try and convert you/tell you the same thing you've been saying. I may not like your beliefs and I don't think you are right, but I do respect them, because everyone has their own beliefs (religious or not), just like I do. Do to others what you would have others do to you. Respect and tolerance are better.
"Do to others what you would have others do to you" wow that is a christian statement, but let me ask you something do you do that? cause i know you and nobody else does, thats part of being human. and besides when someone is wrong i'm going to call them out, and say: "you are wrong"
Exactly why you should be following it if you call yourself a christian. Either way, it's a good lesson in life, regardless of where the saying came from. "cause i know you and nobody else does" You've never met me, my parents and friends have. Your little statement is false. I at least try to follow that saying. Sometimes I can, sometimes I make a mistake. And regarding religion, there is pretty much no right or wrong one until someone can prove a religion or lack of one.
have you ever told a lie, even a small one? if you have then you have not done to others as you would have them do to you. the bar is moral perfection, which no one has. and no there is a right religion it is the one that is self evident in the Bible, that is faith in Jesus as Lord of all, and repentance of sins. I'd ask you to do this for you own good. P.s. humans can neither prove nor disprove God, that is the point of faith.
Didn't you read it? I said sometimes I can follow it, and sometimes I make mistakes. I never said I or anyone could follow it exactly, I just said I at least TRY. To claim it to be right it would have to be undeniably true, which it isn't undeniably true because you can't prove that the bible is true. And I never said you could prove or disprove a religion, my point is that saying something is true and right and others aren't based on faith is not respectful, nice nor logical.
yes i did. that is the point you are not perfect moraly nor is anyone, it's nice that you "try" but it is just not good enough. by your understanding you can't prove what you are saying to be true, and i only said there is support for the bible, but man, human beings are unable to neither prove nor disprove anything metaphysical at all, wither real or thought up. and no i tollarate him but i have the right to disagree and voice my belief, otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I never said nor believe I or anyone is perfect. Pay attention. Trying is at least better than not trying to respect others beliefs. I never said I couldn't prove what I'm saying to be true, I was talking about religious beliefs in the idea you hold that one is right and wrong/correct and incorrect/ect. And if you can't prove it, then don't claim one is correct and incorrect.
i am, yes trying is better. but God demands perfection. no one Christian can prove anything because atheist are so jaded in there religion of non religion.
Atheism is a religion as much as not having feet means you can wiggle your toes. If god demands perfection, and no one is perfect (or can be, for that matter), shouldn't he know not to demand perfection? And you can't prove religion because there is no proof.
you have to have faith to believe there is no God. "If god demands perfection, and no one is perfect (or can be, for that matter" as of Gen 3: 1-7. "shouldn't he know not to demand perfection?" God and man are not equal, God is perfect so He can demand perfection. there is no proof but there is valid support that can lead to proof but man being what he is, is unable to see what is not seen (the proof is hidden because Jesus is in Heaven)
I mean really, would you believe someone if they told you their religion was right and yours is wrong and that their book is true yet they have no proof and only faith?
And yes, you can disagree and voice that opinion, I'm talking about respect in the sense you shouldn't try to convert others unless you can prove anything.
that has nothing to do with respect. but if you say so, make the evolutionist in the schools respect Christians by not spreading there unscientific opinion!!! or spend more time with mililtant Islam and teach them to respect. all yo are doing is picking the weaker target.
You mean public schools? Evolution is a scientific theory, it's not unscientific, science doesn't disrespect people. And no, I'm saying this to you because I saw your comment, I don't have the time nor money to seek out everyone and teach them respect, as much as I'd like to. Respecting peoples beliefs does have something to do with it, since if you respected them you wouldn't be trying to change their religious beliefs.
GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22/ HE 11:17. answer: Ishmael was not his legitimate son, Abraham was not married
to Hagar. EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22/ DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20. answer: sin is like a virus its effect is past on gen to gen, but the responsibility (punishment) for sin belong to the doer of that sin. (GEN 22:1) / (JAS 1:13) answer: God does not tempt any one to do evil so the word tempt in gen 22:1 means to test
which in some translations it is translated that way.
LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Bats are not birds.
gen 22:1 means to test which in some translations it is translated that way.
LEV 11:13 answer: back then they would call is a bird because it had wings. they didn't have the same classification system that we have. gen 22:1 to test (hebrew), JA 1:13 to tempt or cause someone to do evil (greek) what matters is the context. MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 the object is faithfullness of servents. read the context that it is in MT 25: 14-30, LK 19: 11-23
In the bible it says god created light and darkness, right? And then "divided the light from the darkness" (1:3-4). You can't separate light and darkness. Light is an electromagnetic radiation from an energy source like the sun or stars, darkness is what's there without a light around. If a light isn't there, darkness will be. Not exactly a contradiction in the bible, but it's a contradiction to reality.
yes it does say that, but no it is not contradiction to reality and this is how: 1.) you unintentionally made the assumption that the way things are now is the way things where (single state) this is untrue things change over time, the present is not the key to the past but is is the past that is the key to understanding the present state. 2.) you assumed that it was light from a source like the sun or stars but they have not in verse 3-4 been created yet (gen 1:15-16).
So you're saying your god is some magic being that can actually bend reality? Because really, reality is you can't separate light from darkness. Light needs to have a source, unless you're saying light just poofed into existence from nothing without a sun or stars.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly.
You can't survive for that long in a whales belly.
no I'm saying my God is God over everything and made (created) by His word (called into existence) what you and I precieve to be reality, in my book that is not magic. i'm not saying the light was without source read it again i said not from the sun or stars. but it seems like sorcery when people say an explosion made everything (order from chaos). as for jonah how, do you know? the human body can survive without food for a week, water 2-3 days.
Poofing light and darkness into existence.... Sounds like magic to me, mate.
Magic: any art that invokes supernatural powers. Seems the internet agrees with me.
The light would need an energy source. If you think that it came from something 1. why doesn't the book say if and what it came from? 2. what in the hell do you think it came from?
hahahaha anyone on the internet can say what they want. i'm not say yet again it did not come from a source I'm just saying not the sun or the stars the book does say that, It does not matter what i think it came from but only that the bible say it and God is right always.
and the whale could provide both food and water as for oxygen IDK I'm not that good with whale anatomy but in humans when we drink or breathe deeply a small amount of air goes to our stomachs.
As for the whale, it's almost impossible for a whale to swallow a human, not to mention the stomach is full of stomach acid. You can't survive in a stomach, whale or not. As for food and water, the only things would be what's on a whales diet, and body fluids. That would make you sick beyond belief. Even small amounts of air wouldn't be enough to last that long, you'd suffocate. And, whales don't eat humans.
depends on the whale. but there have been cases of sharks swallowing men whole. either way though you will not agree, God made it happen. wither that was by natural mean or not God did it none the less.
You believe the bible and it's god are right/real, and that god made things happen even if impossible in reality, and believe that because the bible said so, and so in your mind that's why the bible has no contradictions or mistakes? Congrats on wasting my time with circular logic and arguments. I said almost impossible to swallow FYI, and whales aren't sharks.
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MrAtheosRecords 2 weeks ago
@CoolEasyProductions2 christians are all the same. Full of ego and delusions
XxFATfishxX 1 month ago
@CoolEasyProductions2 You know, a lot of christians complain as well. It's not just atheists. Just putting that out there
wyv3rn1 2 months ago
Athiest Garbage,No gives a fuck what you think
9cloudersprofile 2 months ago
@9cloudersprofile and who gives a fuck about your opinions?
XxFATfishxX 1 month ago
Well said dude
Psychoticalchoholic 4 months ago
you go to catholic school? damn respect dude, I would kill myself.
ChristopherWachtler 5 months ago
@puffballandres Romans 2:14-15 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;"
ItssBrian 6 months ago
@puffballandres Allow me to clarify... If you are not aware that your actions are going to do something bad to someone else they can still be immoral. If that weren't so, the most ignorant person would be the most moral person.
Yes, but his definitions for for right and wrong (which is the premise of his whole argument) are not applicable the real world. The definition is not objective as he claims it is, as the it is subjective what suffering is necessary.
ItssBrian 6 months ago
@puffballandres Actions that have a negative outcome cannot be classified as morally acceptable simply because you're ignorant of the consequences. Empathy is subjective. It cannot be the ultimate standard of morality.
ItssBrian 7 months ago
@puffballandres I am speaking for myself. I deserve Hell (As well as everybody else.) "but according to His mercy, He saved us."
My standard is what the Bible teaches. You don't understand what the Bible teaches if you think it promotes immorality.
And yes, that last point is definitely true. I offered logical support for my claim. You offered none for yours.
ItssBrian 7 months ago
@puffballandres Yes, everyone sins and deserves Hell, but God in his mercy made a way for us to escape Hell by sending Jesus to take the punishment for us.
My standard for morality is the Bible, written by an omnipotent and unchanging God. The ten commandments are part of the "old covenant," not all apply today, but most do.
There is no such thing as being open minded. If you open your mind to one idea, you close your mind to every conflicting idea. It's an illogical concept.
ItssBrian 7 months ago
I don't get why he kept talking about rights. Atheists have the same rights as anyone else in America, and Christians have the right to look down on them if they so choose (though that would not be Christ like.) Also, without God there is no objective standard for morality, so as an atheist it's illogical to classify something as moral or immoral. And if Christians truly hated atheists, why would we warn them about going to hell. If we hated them wouldn't we watch silently?
ItssBrian 7 months ago
@ItssBrian Not really, considering that God is in the pledge and on the money. Not true, that's a very Cristo-centric view, morality can come from other places. I have heard a lot of anti-atheist hatred from Christians. You can warn someone about hell, but it still makes your God disgusting that he would send people there simply for not believing in Jesus.
ItsSpikeHere 7 months ago
@ItsSpikeHere That's like saying people who don't believe in a republic form of government have less rights because it's mentioned in the pledge. Outside of a perfect and unchanging God, all measure of morality is completely arbitrary. And the reason people go to hell is because we choose to separate ourselves from God by sinning. But God made a way for us to be reconciled with Him by having Jesus pay the penalty for our sin.
ItssBrian 7 months ago
@ItsSpikeHere It's true that some people who call themselves Christians do not act accordingly. That doesn't make the Bible untrue. In fact itself says that will happen in Matthew 7:22 - 23. God doesn't want to send people to Hell. People go to Hell because they separate themselves from God by sinning. Hell is eternal separation from God. Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance..." Cont.v
ItssBrian 7 months ago
@ItssBrian When you take away all those things by separating yourself from God, you are left with Hell.
ItssBrian 7 months ago
@ItsSpikeHere Lets not forget that refrences to god wernt added to money and the pledge until the mid to late 1950's the product of a sucessful campign by the religous establishment to theorcrise America. We were never a christian nation, we were a nation founded on freedom of religion becuase where we came from 1 religion was in the majority and we regonised the importance of freedom of and from religion, that is what our nation was founded on, Protecting the minority from the majority.
ne014x 5 months ago
@ItssBrian When you pick and choose morality from the bible (ignoreing the parts about murdering your neighbor for breaking the sabboth, allowing slavery and so on) and pick out the good morals, then asert that the only reason there is to be moral is that there is a mystical man in the sky who will punish you when you die if you dont follow those rules is insulting to humanity. Morallity should come from intelligent thought and reasoning. The First admendment guarentees freedom of and from reli
ne014x 5 months ago
@ne014x @ne014x You don't pick and choose. You study exegetically. Murder isn't condoned anywhere in the Bible, and your confusing ancient Hebrew Law with Christianity. And your also mistaken about the reason for doing good. 1 John 4:19 Says "We love him, because he first loved us." Also, your asserting that Gods morality is without reason. He is the most intelligent being in the universe. And yes, the first amendment makes religion optional. So what?
ItssBrian 5 months ago
@ItssBrian so no where in the bible does it mention that he who breaks the Sabbath shall surely be put to death? Am i so wrong about the origins of morality because over and over Christians have asserted that god = morality and atheist are immoral because they dont have god. Region is fundamentally illogical. Instead of searching for the answers of the universe most Christians are satisfied with "god did it" or that it was. There is no search for scientific evidence.
ne014x 5 months ago
@ne014x Nope, it doesn't, and if it did it would be just a history lesson, not command for Christians. Yes, you are so wrong about the origins of morality. "Region is fundamentally illogical." That makes no sense whatsoever. And you clearly have no idea what the bible says about searching for answers. Look at 2 Timothy 2:15, Proverbs 2:1-11, 1 Samuel 2:3, and Proverbs 8:10-11.
ItssBrian 4 months ago
@ItssBrian This is what I mean about picking and choosing what the bible says. all religions are always picking and choosing things from the bible and the parts they dont like the simply discredit, your saying this verse I made up: EXODUS 31 V 14 `You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death;"
ne014x 4 months ago
@ne014x It's a record of 4,000 year old Hebrew law. Also, capital punishment is not the same as someone just killing their neighbor. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." The time of Moses' law is over. That period of time has been completed. Christians (those who follow Christ) do not practice the law of Moses, and thus don't observe the Sabbath.
ItssBrian 4 months ago
@ne014x by By Region being fundamentally illogical I mean that rather that explore science and make rational desicions based on evidince they reject science and decide they are content with religion as a nice security blanket, they start wars and kill in the name of their god, fly planes in to buildings, light them selves on fire, deny the rights of minorities, control science, pass laws that restrict what everyone can do, Religion is toxic to socity
ne014x 4 months ago
@ItssBrian of course not, christians say we are going to hell so maybe we will get scared and embrace delusion...er, I mean religion
XxFATfishxX 1 month ago
@XxFATfishxX Or they just don't want people to go to Hell, so they tell them how not to go to Hell.
ItssBrian 1 month ago
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Tublacan 7 months ago
We need more people to say things like this. Too often do the young keep themselves silent for the fear of being criticized. Too often do the minority keep themselves reserved and peaceful while their rights are pissed on. Just keep speaking the truth, man. MCL.
CountLorcean 9 months ago
More need to come forward with the idea that we atheists don't care what religions believe, we just want to be tolerated as well; opposed to arguing the validity of any religions' beliefs or feeling the need to defend our own. Tolerance provides all civil liberties.
"They have made the happy discovery, that the way to silence religious disputes, is to take no notice of them. Let us too give this experiment fair play, and get rid, while we may, of those tyrannical laws" -Thomas Jefferson
dhubbard55 10 months ago
Well said, I feel the same thing, thanks for taking the guts to say this.
BlackDevilJayko 10 months ago
You look like a dumbass pot smoking wigger.
beakon7 10 months ago
@beakon7 Why don't you pay attention to what he's saying, instead of being a dumbass and focusing on how he looks.
Kurairakuen 10 months ago
THANK YOU~!
That's all that stuff is; Christian propaganda the founding fathers never intended to be there.
EXACTLY~! Banning abortion or banning gay marriage is forcing a religious moral on the rest of us.
>_____< You're so smart~! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise~!
P.S. When you go to college you'd LOVE a Women's Studies class because it discusses the entire gambit of social oppression including institutionalized Christianity.
FotoNight17 10 months ago
i feel you brother.
kunalp89 10 months ago
lol I work in an elementary school and I say "under it's people"
UnschoolingEagle 11 months ago
respect
TheUnslaved 11 months ago
Discrimination against a whole group of people who are rational, clear-minded and truth-seeking. What a world.
TheCycadsAreAudible 11 months ago
You're awesome dude. Power to the atheists!
PandoraAnime 11 months ago
When I ask someone if they believe in god and they say yes. I laugh like crazy.. pathetic waste of autonomy. They don't even believe in themselves. Thank the asteroids that gave my blood iron and let me breathe today. I believe in myself and that's all I ever need.
XxFourTwentyxX 11 months ago
@XxFourTwentyxX Oh! then I guess you're the person to go to if we're wondering why reality itself is the way it is, or why we are sentient beings in discriminate physical bodies. There are questions that go far beyond «believing in yourself». If you laugh as crazy when someone says they believe in God, then you are as narrow-minded and disrespectful as any intolerant christian. Einstein believed in God, so did Oppenheimer, and so does Richard Dawkins, who teaches at Berkeley. I am agnostic.
JPSavoie 10 months ago
@JPSavoie
Agree on this.
Except that Einstein actually believed in an abstract concept of god, where he equates the structure of the universe to the label we call 'god'. It's call pantheism, and it's not the same 'god' concept that most believe in.
And Richard Dawkins is an outspoken atheist lol. =P
iOnlyHaveThisForWoW 9 months ago
whoop whoop, i'm witcha homie..
JokerzKard 11 months ago
Thank God (uh...) that I'm an atheist living in Scandinavia.
Annausagi2 11 months ago
come on. migrate over to canada man :)
sihaooo 11 months ago 2
Glad to see a fellow juggalo who knows "under God" wasn't in the original Pledge. I don't object to that part, I object to the whole pledge. I don't say it sincerely. Not until the republic pledges allegiance to me. Most of the people saying it are children who don't know the definitions of "allegiance" and "republic," not yet informed of free speech and the implied free silence. I think the pledge should only be for government jobs (military, senate, et cetera).
qwexas 1 year ago
To me the Cross symbolizes the virtues Jesus demonstrated in dying for our sins: altruism, kindness, love, self-sacrifice, humility. (I don't wear one because I don't want people assuming those things about me without seeing me demonstrate those qualities, & I don't like jewelry) It's more about the wearer than the observer. A "God doesn't exist" shirt directly & deliberately contradicts others' beliefs. Not comparable.
qwexas 1 year ago
Let me point something out: A juggalo just cited the Treaty of Tripoli. How many haters, pushing the stereotype of ignorant semi-literate juggalos, have even heard of that? Unfortunately, examples like this will mostly go unacknowledged.
qwexas 1 year ago
It's sad and I'm still flipping out that being an atheist in the US is such a big deal. I think it has more to do with a narrow mind than religion itself, that I consider a burden and a plague, but mostly because of the institution. If belief helps you in your life that's ok, go on and pray, but using it just to feel part of a group and enhance that feeling by pushing the non-members away is plain sick.
painfield 1 year ago
unless you believe you will die in your sins. Jesus you cant change the word of God
tonykeywest3 1 year ago
Some people think that Jesus Christ wrote the Constitution.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
really ?, I think not. but then again some people believe that there is no God, so I guess there are people with strange ideas everywhere.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 Oh,yes, absolutely. Some of these evangelical Christians will tell you that the US was founded on Christian principles and that it was meant to be a Christian country. When you point out that the very first biblical commandment is in direct conflict with the very first Consititutional amendment, they tend to stutter and stammer. When you point out the conflicts in other Contitutional law with Christian principles, they sutter and stammer more.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
listen I'm not stuttering the Constitution was written by Christians who wanted us to have freedom of religion which is in the bible (man should not dictate religion to man but it is God's place to command obedience). what of
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 What ignorance! It would be quite simple to get into a quotation tossing discussion, don't you think? I can find as many quotes as you can from the Founding Fathers, so why don't you save me the trouble and just check out the Internet? Of course there were some devout Christians among the Founders. The point is that even they still advocated a secular Constitution,
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
wow i did just, i searched the internet for quotes, so i think that makes you t ignorant to the fact that most (80-99%) of the signer of the Constitution where Christian and the few that were not supported the rest. secular back then had a quite different meaning then it does today. but never the less you show qoutes ether take out of context or false made up ones to better serve your cause. maybe if you cracked a old book and actually go to the source you find you are wrong.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 I suppose that my study of American history in college was inaccurate. Sorry, pal, but your accusations are wrong. You seem to find it very difficult to understand that even the Christian founders insisted on a separate, secular government - by the definition of secular. Otherwise, the very first amendment to the Constitution would not be in direct conflict with the very first commandment of the Christian bible. "Thou shall have no other God before me". Don't be so blind.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
"Otherwise, the very first amendment to the Constitution would not be in direct conflict with the very first commandment of the Christian bible. "Thou shall have no other God before me". " nope wrong again. we have the freedom to chose right from wrong and not be forced into the right or wrong in life the founding fathers reconized this (christian) concept and set it at the forefront of the Constitution.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 You are not making sense. If this was meant to be a Christian country, no devout Christian would allow for belief in a god other than that of the Christian bible.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
wow "no devout Christian would allow for belief in a god other than that of the Christian bible." you can't be Christian and believe in a god other that He who is God. what are you thinking?
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 Then Christianity is in conflict with the First Amendment, which allows belief in any god, or in no god, or in many gods. The founding fathers of the country did this quite intentionally. NO DEVOUT CHRISTIAN WHO FOUNDED A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY WOULD HAVE DONE THIS.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
are you forgetting something? freedom to choose, which is a Christian concept any devout Christian who founded this country would have done this so that those who believe, believe based on their conscience, and those who do not may come to faith in God without the state making them. your point falls on it's own head because you lack context.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 You crack me up. Besides not admitting that the First Amendment is in direct conflict with the First Commandment, you tell me that "freedom to choose" is a Christian concept. I suppose that all those devout Christians during the Inquisition, or the Crusades, the Pogroms, etc felt the same way. No, sir. Be real. The Constitution was INTENTIONALLY made to give us a completely secular government, with Thomas Jerrerson's WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
your mistake, Christian not catholic. free will is a Christian concept you would understand this if you ever read the Bible. the founding fathers because of things like the Inquisition wanted all men and women to have freedom of conscience.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 You made my point. Therefore, the founding fathers, many of whom were Christian, made sure that the Constitution was secular and that Americans could choose to have a God beside them that is different than the Christian God, in direct conflict with the First Amendment. AMERICANS ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED TO WORSHIP GRAVEN IMAGES. This is not so difficult to understand, I think. There are other conflicts between the Constitution and the Christian bible.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
but there is no conflict between the Constitution an 10 comandments. you miss the fact that the Constitution is the law of man, and the bible is the law of God. the founding fathers knew this, and would not make them selfs vicors of God. they could not in good conscience declare there law high than God's law. but as to the amendment should we not take plainly as it is written? (rhetoric) yes!!! therefore I as a Cristian have the right to put the bible anywere if I pleased, (school)
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 Sorry, but you can't put your bible in a public school. That would give the impression of a government-sanctioned religion, which you tell me those devout Christian founding fathers forbade. You make no sense, but to rationalize the fact that it was Thomas Jefferson himself, in explaining the First Amendment, explained that it's purpose was to "build a wall of separation between church and state". Get it, now?
peraspira 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 Predestination is also a Christian concept, depending on who are "true" Christians. Some denominations believe God already chose the saved & damned, some sects have believed people have a rebirth experience where the Holy Spirit resides in a body so the person is partially controlled by God or doing God's will. All based on different understandings of the Bible. Catholics & some others believe sin is voluntary and our behavior in life affects life after death.
qwexas 1 year ago
@peraspira First Amendment allows people to worship the God the First Commandment tells us to, so the government can't force us not to worship, worship a different god, or worship the president. It's so people don't have the dilemma of breaking one law to follow another. The First Amendment is designed to avoid conflict between US law & religious rules. It prevents government interference with obedient service to God. Freedom to choose is a bonus.
qwexas 1 year ago
@qwexas Or, as Thomas Jefferson wrote, the First Amendment was intended to provide "a Wall of Separation between church and state". Yes. We are free to worship here as we please. As such, the Founding Fathers wrote a uniquely secular document that, in fact, is in contrast with much of Christian law, but it does not matter, as you state, because Christians, like others, are permitted to worship as they please. However, no Christian would think that allowing worship of other gods is permissible.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira Let me rephrase what you said. No Christian would FEEL PERMITTED TO worship other gods. Some don't think it's permissible for anyone at all to worship other gods. Others are bound by the First Commandment, but respect the rights of those not bound by it. Some of us are free to worship "as we please," others worship as their religion dictates, without interference by the government. It prevents the government from forcing a choice between prison and damnation.
qwexas 1 year ago
@peraspira
if fact going back to the original, no where does it say (the Constitution) "separation of church and state", it says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. but you must of forgot that.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
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peraspira 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase "separation of church and state" when describing the intent of the Constitution in a letter he wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. He stated, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
look more into what he meant by that. Thomas Jefferson a Christian did not mean what is meant today by the secular administration "separation of church and state" He meant quite clearly that man has a fundamental right to worship God in our own way (or not to as the case may be). the Constitution does not say no Bibles in school, or Christians in office. it does not say that we can't pray anywhere we want or have the 10 commandments posted in school or in a courthouse.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
besides history book that are not based off of the original documents and not historical at all, look at the references in the text book and compare them to the actual original (or very good copy "verbatim") of the document you'll see a difference right a way.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 I have studied American history and law at the graduate level. If you want to get into a quote fight, be my guest. But you are correct in that you need look into the entire picture. On the graduate level, I have.Go look up Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists Association and the context. And, by the way, even though Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase in that letter, other founders used it, notably Alexander Hamilton, later on. LEARN YOUR HISTORY.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira
but you should not read into history what is not there. consider what he and the rest meant by it as a faith filled men.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
James Madison
4th U.S. President
"Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."
--America's Providential History, p. 93.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
James Monroe
"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."
--Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
Roger Sherman
Signer of the United States Constitution
I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment."
--The Life of Roger Sherman, pp. 272-273
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"Christianity is the only true and perfect religion, and that in proportion as mankind adopts its principles and obeys its precepts, they will be wise and happy."
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@peraspira
Alexander Hamilton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
--Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@JBSD2 Well I do own a Brad Paisley album and the cover is on the wall XD
ItsSpikeHere 1 year ago
@JBSD2 It's not all hip hop, but yeah you're right hahaha
ItsSpikeHere 1 year ago
In America the "religion versus atheism"-debate seems generally more heated and fanatic compared to Europe. We're quite secularized in say France or Germany, former German chancellor Schröder deliberately left out the words "with the help of God" during inauguration, and that did not stir any outcry.
eltamin1966 1 year ago
@eltamin1966
and is that a good thing???
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 I'm an agnostic, that's Schröders choice. Btw I think evolution and "Big Bang" theories are sustained by ample evidence, but no one knows why there is "stuff" at all. God is not "ruled out", but we simlpy don't know.
I 've no "we versus they" mentality: I honestly respect the Christian vicars who helped to topple East Germany's dictatorship in 1989, and the devout Catholic Stauffenberg, who's bomb narrowly failed to kill Hitler in 1944 (see Singer's film 'Valkyrie').
eltamin1966 1 year ago
@eltamin1966
it maybe his choice but that does not mean it is good that he did it or that the lack of outcry is good. btw 6 day creation has more evidence, but the big bang theory lacks simple logic, ex. it does not agree with the 2nd law of physics. the bible point to the truth but if people rebel aganist God and His word then how well they ever know in this life.
P.s. it's good that you respect Christians though that does not help you ,BTW I'm not catholic, i'm Baptist
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 "it's good that you respect Christians though that does not help you"
You mean since I don't believe in the Christian God I will not get his grace and I'm somehow "lost"? Well, if there is a God then why should "he" feel the need to demand constant praising and hero-worship from his own fallible creatures? That would be ungenerous and rather reminds me of very human dictators ;-). I guess that the creator of this vast and complex universe would stand above these things.
eltamin1966 1 year ago
@eltamin1966
"since I don't believe in the God I will not get his grace and I'm lost?" yes I do. but you just can't but God on the same level as man. He is perfect, man is not. besides that "human dictators" do not dies for there lowly subject nor offer foriveness with such ease. God stands above all men because He is mans creator not the other way around. you are under a King and His name is Jesus, as the bible says: every knee shall bow, and ever tongue shall confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 Just hypothetically assuming that the question "Is there a God ?" could be definitely answered one day: Either answer would not shock me, I'm pretty sure I could accept both possibilities. And just assuming the answer would be "no God": Would you - being so utterly 100% sure - be capable to accept that?
I've often seen that people who were 100% sure of something, and then were proven wrong, can't bear this shock and fiercely refuse to accept the unpleasant realities.
eltamin1966 1 year ago
@eltamin1966
it is not weather you just accept His existence, it is that He is, and was, and ever will be God, lone sovereign of the universe and all that is in it. He does not need to prove Him self to man, but it is man that needs to prove them selfs righteous before Jesus. you and others can reject Him but that does not make Him any less real, everyone will be judged by Him for there deeds, and those who rejected His sacrifice and His forgiveness will be punished by Him. 100% or not
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 I rather guessed that you would not directly answer my question - maybe you feel God is watching, and these speculations are not allowed under his strict eyes ;-). But no problem, have a good time: "Live and let live".
eltamin1966 1 year ago
@eltamin1966
as to the question yes 100% could accept it. that is if it were true. but it is not nor ever will be that is why I responded like I did to point out that your belief or lack of as the case is, does not matter, only that He is real and you will be judged by Him according to His laws. the "live and let live" way of life does not work because it is false and leads to sin.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
Hey don't forget to mention women cant join the US army because they got breasts.
But basicly what a christian at work believes: Atheists have no morals.
That the 10 commandments are the only things to teach from right and wrong....
I think thats why a Constitution was made with many laws.
just give the kids the constitution to read so they know good from bad. we dont need the old version of avatar. I wouldn't be surprized after 1000 that avatar is the new religion XD
Clanki 1 year ago
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
how about: Hes not my god. and you can have sex with him all you want.
santa had a great white beard. god in most paintings has a great white beard.
god is the grown-ups version of santa claus.
and FYI: stealing and murderiing IS ILLEGAL according to the constitution.
Also how about christians READ the bible?!
Seeing as it has been a proven fact that atheists know MORE about the bible than christians.
Why? Because we can read it with a neutral aspect. not radical extremism!
Clanki 1 year ago
@Clanki
"Seeing as it has been a proven fact that atheists know MORE about the bible than christians." you want to back that up?
notice I did not respond to that other stuff you said cause it's crap and you know it!!
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 The US Constitution is in direct conflict with #1, #2, and many of the rest.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira If it was in direct conflict, it would tell us to do the opposite. It doesn't tell us to do anything. It prevents the government from forcing us to break the Commandments. It doesn't impose a second set of Commandments that would be in conflict with the first, like "Thou shalt kill. Thou shalt steal." The Bill of Rights binds the government, the Commandments bind individuals.
qwexas 1 year ago
Very well put. I applaud you for being a free thinker. You're a bright young man. All the best.
chriskraska 1 year ago
This was.... actually a very descent video/point of view. While I'm not particularly religious, I DO believe in a God. But I also believe that their are religious "nutjobs" out there who will beat you with a Bible just becauuse your interpretation of life differes from the interpretation "given" to them by their church/school/parents.
Karvante 1 year ago
@Karvante
you mean the interpretation given in the Bible, and no you are wrong. if you believe in something it aught to have a bases, but self made gods are a poor reason for anything.
P.S. I"m one of those "nut jobs". and becauuse is spelled because.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1 I mean, I look at it like this. I don't believe in the Christian God. But I DO believe in a devine (?) consciousness that created all things. I mean, how the hell can I explain all this shit: birds, bees, baseball. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing, so you gotta have something.That's MY basis. But don't be a nutjob.
Karvante 1 year ago
@Karvante
the bases is God who made the world in 6 days. something form God is something. but still self made religion is bad.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
(im a christain) in my belief yes i am dissapointed, as an american i say do what you want...i dont hate athiests(some of my friends/family are athiests) i dont like that, but the reason, i get irritated at atheism, because many athiests belittle my religion...when i see people like the amazing athiest...talking trash bout me and my religion it irritates me...i like the live and let live oh and (oh and i dont do the pledge cuz i hate the government)... plz dont dis my bible
bretthicksomega 1 year ago
@bretthicksomega I agree with live and let live. However I do feel that pointing out the flaws in Christianity and The Bible isn't wrong so long as I'm not attacking people just for believing, I just see a lot of things wrong with the book itself.
ItsSpikeHere 1 year ago
@ItsSpikeHere i can understand how a lot of stuff in the bible looks to a nonbeliever(no offense), i am guilty of the shocked disappointed response when i hear that someone is an athiest, but i dont go around attacking athiests, my cousin is one(i hate it) but i still love my cousin...most of the stuff i see from athiests is irritating, i can deffinately understand where you are coming from, you have explained it better than any other athiest ever, this country is far from christian
bretthicksomega 1 year ago
@ItsSpikeHere
but you should be ashamed for being an athiest because it is wrong, God created you to worship Him alone, and just because you do not belive does not mean it is not true. so as a careing person I ask you to repent and trust in Jesus, that He is the one true God, please.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
I'd just like to ask here, you're telling this guy "just because you do not belive does not mean it is not true", do you believe the reverse version ("just because you belive does not mean it is true") of that sentence could also apply to you? If you don't, wouldn't you call that hypocrisy? How would you like it if someone from a different religion gave you the "You are bad, I am good, I am right so be like me" speech like you just gave to spike?
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
but i'm not giving the "You are bad, I am good, I am right so be like me" speech, in fact i am just as bad as him. i have a lot of the same sins even (doubt, etc..) however i am forgiven because of my repentance and faith in Jesus. is this hypocrisy? NO. BTW if you do belive the stove is hot and do not touch does that make you a hypocrite?
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Let me rephrase that, it's the "Your religious beliefs are wrong/bad, my religious beliefs are right/good, I am undoubtedly correct so believe what I believe" speech. It follows the same idea either way you say it. Also, stoves aren't living beings, saying 'just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's not true' to others, yet thinking that 'just because you believe in it doesn't mean it's true' doesn't apply to you, well, sane people call that hypocrisy, mate.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
so let me ask you is there truth? should there not be a right and wrong? this idea is in fact very sane, and not hypocritical. it has nothing to do with the stove being living, rather it is the concept at hand. the stove is hot it burns and you or anybody for that matter will not touch it for it is hot regardless of what you believe. just as God is real so I and others believe, and if you don't you'll find out the hard way when you die (Hell). just like the stove it burns.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
I'm not saying there shouldn't be a right and wrong, I'm saying it's putting your religion above everyone elses so much as to need others to believe exactly what you believe just because you believe it's true. Stoves can be proven to be hot, religion can't. Saying your religion is true no matter what and others -must- believe is silly. That's what you believe, ok? If someone doesn't believe what you believe, respect that, unless you want others to try and convert you as well.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
but if one is right then it should be established as the only right one. and no that is not silly, it is correct.
besides atheism is not a religion it is a bad concept of reality. and with the stove what mattered was the idea not if it could be proven, but the bible is supported by secular history, logical arguments, and the fact every other religion is contradictory to say the least. and no i respect him, but i do not respect his beliefs especially since he is wrong.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
*sigh* My point is, you can't prove to others if the bible is right or not. "but the bible is supported by secular history, logical arguments, and the fact every other religion is contradictory to say the least." So are some other religions, and yes, the bible -is- contradictory as well. What I'm saying is 1. you can't prove anyone wrong on religious beliefs (or lack of them), 2. You should respect peoples beliefs, whether or not they are wrong in your opinion-
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
the bible is not contradictory. but never the less i'd like to see one contradictory statement from the bible, because there is none. other religions lack any out side support even historical. like i said i have a respect for everybody as human beings but i nor anyone have to "respect" other peoples religions, and if you are so angry about this you should tell the musilums and atheists not to mock christianity. they do it all the time.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name./ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all.
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots/2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots
I gave you two instead. I never said you had to respect other religions, I said you should, unless you want others to do the same thing to you. And I'm not angry. I don't like anyone mocking any religious beliefs or lack of one.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
can you not make a war for peace? beside in it's context exo 15:1-18 says that God defends His own for there peace (Isreal/ and the saved). God is at peace with the righteous, but at war with the ungodly. 1 kl 4:26/ 2 ch 9:26 seem to contradict but they do not if you understand that in those days there was no number to describe the amount so the author is trying to say simply there was a lot of them.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
And yes, you can make a war for peace, but it's arguable that it's more peaceful to use reason and kindness rather than war, especially when you just wage a war you must have seen coming if you're some all knowing being. Also-
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
to make war does not always mean physical violence. my reasoning with you is me making war with you.
" especially when you just wage a war you must have seen coming if you're some all knowing being" yes God is all knowing but he gave us free will. GE 11:7-9 God sows discord, PR 6:16-19. answer gen 9:7 (notice God does not lie, or murder, but it is His right to have pride in his work and cause division (He is God) )
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Free will isn't an excuse. He saw it coming, free will or not.
T-rex does not = birds, no one said that. The idea you are looking for is that prehistoric bird-like dinosaurs with similar anatomy/genes/dna/ect -may- have evolved into modern birds. And if you want to make others believe there is no evolution, you better get some evidence buddy.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi and God hates sin, GE 1:11-12, 26-27/GE 2:4-9 answer: the author repeats himself for emphasis, read it again gen 1:11-2:9.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
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@acaseforchrist1
*continuing from last post*
- You should respect peoples beliefs, whether or not they are wrong in your opinion, unless you want others who believe your beliefs are wrong to try and convert you/tell you the same thing you've been saying. I may not like your beliefs and I don't think you are right, but I do respect them, because everyone has their own beliefs (religious or not), just like I do. Do to others what you would have others do to you. Respect and tolerance are better.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
"Do to others what you would have others do to you" wow that is a christian statement, but let me ask you something do you do that? cause i know you and nobody else does, thats part of being human. and besides when someone is wrong i'm going to call them out, and say: "you are wrong"
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Exactly why you should be following it if you call yourself a christian. Either way, it's a good lesson in life, regardless of where the saying came from. "cause i know you and nobody else does" You've never met me, my parents and friends have. Your little statement is false. I at least try to follow that saying. Sometimes I can, sometimes I make a mistake. And regarding religion, there is pretty much no right or wrong one until someone can prove a religion or lack of one.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
have you ever told a lie, even a small one? if you have then you have not done to others as you would have them do to you. the bar is moral perfection, which no one has. and no there is a right religion it is the one that is self evident in the Bible, that is faith in Jesus as Lord of all, and repentance of sins. I'd ask you to do this for you own good. P.s. humans can neither prove nor disprove God, that is the point of faith.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Didn't you read it? I said sometimes I can follow it, and sometimes I make mistakes. I never said I or anyone could follow it exactly, I just said I at least TRY. To claim it to be right it would have to be undeniably true, which it isn't undeniably true because you can't prove that the bible is true. And I never said you could prove or disprove a religion, my point is that saying something is true and right and others aren't based on faith is not respectful, nice nor logical.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
yes i did. that is the point you are not perfect moraly nor is anyone, it's nice that you "try" but it is just not good enough. by your understanding you can't prove what you are saying to be true, and i only said there is support for the bible, but man, human beings are unable to neither prove nor disprove anything metaphysical at all, wither real or thought up. and no i tollarate him but i have the right to disagree and voice my belief, otherwise you are a hypocrite.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
I never said nor believe I or anyone is perfect. Pay attention. Trying is at least better than not trying to respect others beliefs. I never said I couldn't prove what I'm saying to be true, I was talking about religious beliefs in the idea you hold that one is right and wrong/correct and incorrect/ect. And if you can't prove it, then don't claim one is correct and incorrect.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
i am, yes trying is better. but God demands perfection. no one Christian can prove anything because atheist are so jaded in there religion of non religion.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Atheism is a religion as much as not having feet means you can wiggle your toes. If god demands perfection, and no one is perfect (or can be, for that matter), shouldn't he know not to demand perfection? And you can't prove religion because there is no proof.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
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@Kadiezi
you have to have faith to believe there is no God. "If god demands perfection, and no one is perfect (or can be, for that matter" as of Gen 3: 1-7. "shouldn't he know not to demand perfection?" God and man are not equal, God is perfect so He can demand perfection. there is no proof but there is valid support that can lead to proof but man being what he is, is unable to see what is not seen (the proof is hidden because Jesus is in Heaven)
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
I mean really, would you believe someone if they told you their religion was right and yours is wrong and that their book is true yet they have no proof and only faith?
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
if my religion was anything but the truth that Jesus is Lord
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
And yes, you can disagree and voice that opinion, I'm talking about respect in the sense you shouldn't try to convert others unless you can prove anything.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
that has nothing to do with respect. but if you say so, make the evolutionist in the schools respect Christians by not spreading there unscientific opinion!!! or spend more time with mililtant Islam and teach them to respect. all yo are doing is picking the weaker target.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
You mean public schools? Evolution is a scientific theory, it's not unscientific, science doesn't disrespect people. And no, I'm saying this to you because I saw your comment, I don't have the time nor money to seek out everyone and teach them respect, as much as I'd like to. Respecting peoples beliefs does have something to do with it, since if you respected them you wouldn't be trying to change their religious beliefs.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
micro evolution (short term adaptation) is real but there is no long term (t-rex->birds that is unscientific).
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.
EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham. (GEN 22:1)
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. (JAS 1:13)
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22/ HE 11:17. answer: Ishmael was not his legitimate son, Abraham was not married
to Hagar. EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22/ DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20. answer: sin is like a virus its effect is past on gen to gen, but the responsibility (punishment) for sin belong to the doer of that sin. (GEN 22:1) / (JAS 1:13) answer: God does not tempt any one to do evil so the word tempt in gen 22:1 means to test
which in some translations it is translated that way.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Bats are not birds.
gen 22:1 means to test which in some translations it is translated that way.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.
LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.
MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
LEV 11:13 answer: back then they would call is a bird because it had wings. they didn't have the same classification system that we have. gen 22:1 to test (hebrew), JA 1:13 to tempt or cause someone to do evil (greek) what matters is the context. MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 the object is faithfullness of servents. read the context that it is in MT 25: 14-30, LK 19: 11-23
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
In the bible it says god created light and darkness, right? And then "divided the light from the darkness" (1:3-4). You can't separate light and darkness. Light is an electromagnetic radiation from an energy source like the sun or stars, darkness is what's there without a light around. If a light isn't there, darkness will be. Not exactly a contradiction in the bible, but it's a contradiction to reality.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
yes it does say that, but no it is not contradiction to reality and this is how: 1.) you unintentionally made the assumption that the way things are now is the way things where (single state) this is untrue things change over time, the present is not the key to the past but is is the past that is the key to understanding the present state. 2.) you assumed that it was light from a source like the sun or stars but they have not in verse 3-4 been created yet (gen 1:15-16).
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
So you're saying your god is some magic being that can actually bend reality? Because really, reality is you can't separate light from darkness. Light needs to have a source, unless you're saying light just poofed into existence from nothing without a sun or stars.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly.
You can't survive for that long in a whales belly.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
no I'm saying my God is God over everything and made (created) by His word (called into existence) what you and I precieve to be reality, in my book that is not magic. i'm not saying the light was without source read it again i said not from the sun or stars. but it seems like sorcery when people say an explosion made everything (order from chaos). as for jonah how, do you know? the human body can survive without food for a week, water 2-3 days.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Poofing light and darkness into existence.... Sounds like magic to me, mate.
Magic: any art that invokes supernatural powers. Seems the internet agrees with me.
The light would need an energy source. If you think that it came from something 1. why doesn't the book say if and what it came from? 2. what in the hell do you think it came from?
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
hahahaha anyone on the internet can say what they want. i'm not say yet again it did not come from a source I'm just saying not the sun or the stars the book does say that, It does not matter what i think it came from but only that the bible say it and God is right always.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
and the whale could provide both food and water as for oxygen IDK I'm not that good with whale anatomy but in humans when we drink or breathe deeply a small amount of air goes to our stomachs.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
As for the whale, it's almost impossible for a whale to swallow a human, not to mention the stomach is full of stomach acid. You can't survive in a stomach, whale or not. As for food and water, the only things would be what's on a whales diet, and body fluids. That would make you sick beyond belief. Even small amounts of air wouldn't be enough to last that long, you'd suffocate. And, whales don't eat humans.
Kadiezi 1 year ago
@Kadiezi
depends on the whale. but there have been cases of sharks swallowing men whole. either way though you will not agree, God made it happen. wither that was by natural mean or not God did it none the less.
acaseforchrist1 1 year ago
@acaseforchrist1
Wait, let me get this straight:
You believe the bible and it's god are right/real, and that god made things happen even if impossible in reality, and believe that because the bible said so, and so in your mind that's why the bible has no contradictions or mistakes? Congrats on wasting my time with circular logic and arguments. I said almost impossible to swallow FYI, and whales aren't sharks.
Kadiezi 1 year ago