Anti-Abortionists & Their "Keep It Closed" Campaign on Dr. Carhart's Clinic

[tysonvslewis12]

we dont care about your rights! we dont care about your body! its our choice! not yours. hi im your friendly christian nut job neighbor.

[pirbird14]

"A baby's not a baby till the fetus comes out. That's what birthdays are all about."

I love that!

[GiddyWafffles]

Whenever there is something like this, ask if its religious driven. If so, its retarded.

[4x4perth]

For people so concerned about a life and children.. Who was watching the four kids playing beside a road.

[Skaramoosh5]

God was created by men for men , so they can have justified power over women. Your god let's women and little girls get gang raped and does nothing, and yet, he hates abortion. Retard is you thinking. My womb will never belong to god, it will always belong to me. You will never force me to become a mother, Abortion is the best thing to ever be invented.

[chadpopstar]

Abortion helps the world in quite a few ways. First, it helps reduce the population.  We already have too many people. Second, abortion prevents a lifetime of needless suffering and death. Third, it saves the woman a lot of money. No need for babysitters, diapers, food, doctor bills, etc etc.... Fourth,, no screaming baby in the middle of the night for years on end.... no changing diapers and cleaning up vomit.... no taking kids to school and getting stressed to oblivion. Abortion is GOOD.

[vgman94]

@chad Exactly! Overpopulation is destroying everything. Billions of animals are dying thanks to humanity's needs. Many animal & plant species are going extinct, millions of humans are still starving and/or are poor. Most people don't live happy lives anyway with social problems and economic problems (speaking of which, economy needs to change as it needs infinite growth which is impossible in this world) and increases stress to everyone. Abortion is a human right and MUST be legalized worldwide!

[1776iscoming]

When I hear these women speak, how wicked they are to justify killing babies, just makes me long for the day when God pours His wrath out on this earth. This world has become so absolutely evil in the past 40 years, it's stomach turning.

[tbone2872]

@1776iscoming Yeah damn right I was reading Jack and the Beanstalk and it said abortion and fags are an abomination. Come to think of it Rumplestilskin and Cat and the Hat said the same thing. I'm hoping Santa Claus will come soon and take care of all these abortionists.

[purebloodjiselle]

I want that trust women shirt!

[canadianskye1964]

we can find ot where these pro-preggers live & burn their houses down & shoot them too as they have killed doctors

[HomoCyborgZombie]

Yep, call them cockroaches and rats.

Because they're not human, but vermin.

Lets kill them.

Oh wait.

[LovedbcHim]

I love being a mom. What kind of message are we giving women when there is something like "pro-choice". God wired us to carry children. He made us that way. I am 13 weeks pregnant, and despite the nausea and being tired all the time and having a toddler on top of that, I completely enjoy it and know that I would be missing out on a whole lot by having an abortion. Those children are real. They are not tissue or balls of cells. They are real people.

[happylizard08]

@LovedbcHim but see thats the thing. you are willing to have a child therefore you are enjoying it. what about girls and women who get raped and pregnant? i dont think they would want to have that child that will do nothing but remind them of the one who hurt them. abortion should be perfectly okay becuase it is a choice. you can either choose to abort or keep the child. noone will force anyone to get an abortion if one doesnt want too. let the women have the rights too there own body

[LovedbcHim]

@happylizard08 I know a woman who got raped and pregnant and kept the baby, and loves her very much. She has graduated high school and last I heard she is a wonderful person. I don't know what I would do if I had never met her because of abortion.

[happylizard08]

@LovedbcHim i know one that got raped and kept the baby too. she made the choice too. its all choice based on ones beliefs. she also sees no problem with abortion.

tell me, you say that the woman you speak of is a good person. if she got an abortion would you of thought of her differently?

[LovedbcHim]

@happylizard08 Absolutely no, none of us are perfect, so who would I be to judge someone who has had an abortion. But as a Christian and Pro-lifer, it is up to me to educate that woman and to discourage from making that decision, not to force her not to make that decision. But I know women who are near and dear to me who have had abortions, but it's hurt them incredibly to have made that decision. Anyhow, abortion involves the killing of a child who deserves a chance at life.

[happylizard08]

@LovedbcHim well i must say i am really glad to know your not the type of person to force beliefs onto another.

[chadpopstar]

Evil anti-abortionists.

[amurican35]

and spoil our population with their poisoned minds. To tell you the truth i thought the "keep it closed" campaign was referring to the WOMENS LEGS. I've got a new slogan ; "KEEP EM CLOSED, YOU WONT BE OPPOSED!" ......feel free to laugh . To the woman that says that women are'nt incubators is in complete denial. Thatone thing women need to come to terms with . When it comes down "to it" . Use your brains it'll come to you. "to it" is a singular meaning. Women are incubators for feti (babies).

[amurican35]

This is more than an argument against or pro. It's a problem that exists in america and it is real. This video shows both sides. Maybe we should keep it the way it is . Let god sort them out. Maybe the women that have no remorse or feeling toward a fetus (baby)" until it comes out" Should'nt be having babies and if they don't more power to the ones that actually want them and will love them and protect them. The fat ,nasty,bitter, women that no man wants will die off and wont procreate.....

[LovedbcHim]

@mjt19741 And you were pointed at as spam for what reason? Sorry dude. I completely agree. I just don't know why you were aimed at so harshly especially when what you said was very respectful.

[mjt19741]

@LovedbcHim Thanks man. I appreciate it.

[chi1088]

Thank you, segamon. And thank you, juliewashere88. I have annotated my video so that viewers will read the conversation you two had in the past few days. It was good. I agree with one more than the other. I agree with the argument that one has the right to choose and the right to life. I side with people who are pro-choice and pro-life (like Dr. Carhart).

[segamon]

Hey, my (part 1) didn't post. I think you got the jest of what I meant through my (part 2). I'm not very good at following phrase "brevity is the soul of wit."

If you want to talk more, message me. This conversation helps me understand why you think the way you do more. I'm not perfect in understanding, but it does help.

May God bless you and keep you. :)

[segamon]

(part 2)

You, however, wish to absolve people of taking responsibility so that anyone can have anything that they want, no matter what it takes. In your opinion, even after causing something that could have very easily been avoided (abstinence prevents pregnancy 100% of the time), the responsibility of creating human life should be absolved no matter what the cost because of convenience

These differences are often irreconcilable.

YouTube comments suck. If you want to talk more, message me :)

[segamon]

I wonder if these pro-choicers would be so enthusiastic after watching abortion after abortion in person?

[juliewashere88]

I've seen a few videos. Can't say that it had as much of an 'ick' factor as watching a video of, say, surgery.

So, yes.

[segamon]

I've seen many surgeries in person (I am a nurse, I saw them in nursing school many times). I have also seen detailed videos (such as the one at heresthebllood[dot]com) and get especially sick watching them. I cannot imagine what I would feel seeing these killing of unborn children in person. I would feel both disgusted and a feeling of a need to defend the unborn child and mother from this horrendous act.

I suppose being pro-life makes my reaction a little stronger, however.

[juliewashere88]

It's not really protecting the mother if that's what she wants to do.

I suppose what is seen would depend on the abortion procedure used. With a pill or suction, there's not really much to see. I've never seen an IDX, but I have a fair understanding for a layman what that entails.

Can't say it bothers me.

[segamon]

The fact that none of these methods to kill the unborn bothers you certainly shows how cold your heart seems to be. These are human beings that are being killed through all of these methods.

If you get a chance to see a video of later D&E then please do.

Check out the following video: cbrsw[dot]blogspot[dot]com/200­9/05/community-guidelines[dot]­html

Let me know **honestly** how you fell about the video. Maybe this will help others to really see if you have a cold heart or not.

[juliewashere88]

Cold Hearted? Lol. I don't irrationally try personify embryos. Even if I did think a fetus was a full person, I'd still support choice anyway because a 'right to life' does not entail the right to another person's body.

I saw the video. Looked like a suction abortion. A bunch of goo and tissue, as I thought. Funny it looks nothing like those abortion pictures protesters wave around.

Incidentally, it seems you missed the point of the video yourself. Kind of funny.

[segamon]

I'm sorry that you confirmed my worst fear that you are indeed cold hearted and refuse to help other human beings.

I missed the point of the video? I doubt that. I see that you missed the point of the video. Human beings get killed on the premise that a condom didn't work, having too many children, didn't have enough money, etc.

The fact that you scoff at the human being that was killed in the video tells me volumes about your character. You care more about yourself than about others.

[juliewashere88]

Of course I care about human beings. Thing is I happen to think that applies to women.

Didn't you hear the women? They didn't want babies. They didn't want their bodies used that way. I care about helping them.

A woman is infinitely more important than a fetus. It's really sad that you can't see that.

[segamon]

You need to realize that the majority of pro-lifers consider the fetus equal to the mother. Why? Because every single human life should be defended. This is a truth should be universal to every single one of us in the human race.

However, pro-choicers seem to disregard human life due to this particular life's size, location, and inconvenience.

Personally, I want to help all people! This is why I became a nurse. This is also why I'm pro-life.

I hope that you will one day feel the same way. :)

[juliewashere88]

You need to realise that the majority of pro-choicers consider a woman a person who own her own body. Only she has a right to decide what is done with it. Even if you want to pretend fetuses are people and are somehow of equal value to actual people, and give them the 'right to life' they still don't have a right to another person's body.

A woman who carries an unwanted pregnancy to term is charitable, but isn't morally obligated to do so. She alone owns her body, even if she's pregnant.

[segamon]

Now your dipping into the use of emotions. Sorry, purely using emotions is not going to convince me to agree with your argument.

I became pro-life as a child because of my upbringing and faith. However, if science were to prove me wrong, I would have became pro-choice in a heartbeat.

The problem is, Julie, is that science has repeatedly proven that human life starts at conception. I, just like any other decent person, have a duty to protect other human beings.

[juliewashere88]

Sorry, where am I appealing to emotion? Meanwhile you've been doing just that since the start. If you recall the comment that started this was asking prochoicers to watch abortion videos hoping doing so wold make them emotional. And when that didn't work on me I was accused of being 'cold-hearted' for supporting women.

At conception, you get one cell with a complete set of human DNA. You have literally millions of such cells in your body. The only difference is that a zygote has potential.

[segamon]

"... no person has the right to the body of another person."

This is why I cannot debate with you. No matter if I were to prove to you that the unborn were human beings you still would want them dead because of their size, degree of dependence, and inability to defend themselves.

You are using the "person-hood argument." Sadly, this kind of argument was also used to favor the slavery of blacks, the extermination of Jews by Nazis, and prosecution of one too many people through history...

[segamon]

lol, "prosecution" should have been "persecution." :)

[juliewashere88]

This is why I can't debate with you, you don't listen.

I've been stepping right over the person-hood argument. As I've said multiple times, even if you call a fetus a person and assign it every right as such, it still would not have the right to the body of an unwilling host. It isn't a matter of size either. Even a full grown adult doesn't have the right to the body of another person, even if denial of such would mean death. As such, organ donor-ship is voluntary.

[segamon]

Julie: "[The unborn] still would not have the right to the body of an unwilling host."

The key word in that sentence is "unwilling." The only case in which your argument would even have ANY merit is in the case of pregnancy resulting from rape. Do you understand what I mean? Your argument concludes that all abortions other than those done because of rape are wrong. I don't think that's what you want to mean. Unfortunately for you, I listen better than you think.

[juliewashere88]

No it does not. You're deliberately trying to twist words.

I said that a fetus does not have the right to the body of an unwilling host. I mean only that the woman was unwilling to continue the pregnancy, not that she was previously unwilling to have sex.

Sex carries the risk of pregnancy, but not the risk of parenthood as that remains a choice.

[segamon]

Yes, a zygote has potential. Just like you have potential, Julie.

A zygote is part of the developmental continuum of a human life. Just the same that an infant is part of the developmental continuum. Your claim has no basis in fact. A human being starts at conception. What happens between zygote to embryo that makes an embryo more human? What happens between a fetus and a neonate that makes a neonate more human?

A sperm and oocyte is not an individual human being, yet a zygote is.

[juliewashere88]

Actually, I've already been born. I am fully sentient, can feel pain, emotion, have memories, and most importantly I do not depend on he body of another person, especially not an unwilling person, for life support. This is more than can be said for a zygote.

A zygote is a single cell. To equate that to an infant, or a woman, only devalues humanity.

[segamon]

"fully sentient" -- This is not a scientifically quantifiable event. Some could even argue that the moment that this occurs could be somewhere between 3-5 years of age.

"can feel pain" -- If you are honest to facts, you would know that some scientists and physicians agree that the experience of pain can occur at or around 20 weeks gestation

"emotion" -- This is EXTREMELY suggestive, Julie.

"have memories" -- I can't remember any baby who remembers being a neonate yet they cannot be murdered.

[segamon]

lol, "suggestive" should have been "subjective"

[juliewashere88]

I was speaking of myself, I am fully sentient and a fetus is not. If a fetus starts to have the capacity to feel pain around 20, it still doesn't feel it in the way a woman would. Besides that, most abortions are done within 8 weeks. Stating that I am cable of feeling emotion is not subjective, it is a fact that I am capable of emotion.

[segamon]

Then should we ask the unborn, neonate, infant if they are fully sentient or not? Thus, if these people cannot tell you if he/she is fully sentient there is an inherent right to kill these people? Either sentience is a way to determine who we can kill or not. If it is, then those who are not sentient, by your definition, should be killed, no?

"Most abortions" -- then why are you not calling to outlaw abortions at and after 20 weeks- app. 11,749 children greater than 21 weeks were killed in 2004

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 Not true. It has been scientifically tested that fetus's feel ten times more pain than we do. They've tested it through peemies. They would still technically be a fetus if they were inside the womb, but preemies pain receptors are much higher than that of any other person up until they are at 28 weeks gestation. My daughter was a preemie, so I know my stuff in this area. They test their pain level by sticking a probe usually to their stomach, and it often goes past 10.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim LOL! No it hasn't. Actually, experiments in Electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in premature infants probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks.

Lee SJ, Ralston HJ, Drey EA, Partridge JC, Rosen MA (2005). "Fetal pain: a systematic multidisciplinary review of the evidence".

FAIL

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 Have you had a premature baby before and practically lived in a NICU before. Books can say what they need to say, but you don't know nor see unless you have walked in those shoes. They DO experience more pain than any human being can possibly imagine and that is a fact from nurses who work in a NICU. Ask any NICU nurse. I'm surprised even after giving my story on this your still arguing even against. Can't argue against other peoples testimony.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim Yeah, I mean what do I think I'm doing, taking the studies performed by scientists and medical professionals over the anecdote of one politically motivated and annonymous youtuber? You have sorely overestimated your credibilty. Speaking of scientists though, I'm still waiting on the scientific study you claim to have. As for a pain level going past 10, lol seriously? How can you possibly know that?

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 Well have you thought about looking into studying books for neonatal nurses and doctors? They have a lot more hands on and personal experience than scientists. Writings from a scientist is not where you need to be looking, it's experience and commentst from a NICU nurse that you need to look at. Bachelors degrees and all that stuff does not mean that person has experience, it just means they went to college.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim HAHAHA! It's so funny how you had just earlier insisted that your claim was backed up by scientists, even though you were never able to demonstrate such. But now that I've shown that the science is actually against you, all of a sudden science doesn't matter.

Actually, the doctors ARE scientists. As for the specific study I cited, all but one of the authors is an MD. And there's more where that came from.

Maybe YOU should a little studying so you won't embarrass yourself so much.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 actually I'm not embarassing myself at. My daughter was born at 28 weeks and I don't understand it when you say that they don't experience pain when they really do experience more pain than we do. I was in the NICU everyday, 5-8 hours a day with my daughter for 2 months. Even the slightest touch was painful to my daughter. I'm actually wondering where you are getting your research from. NICU nurses have more experience than anyone else.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim Only because you don't have the sense to be embarrassed when proven wrong, and when STILL unable to provide the scientific research you claimed was on your side.

How are you wondering where I got my research from when I already provided you with the name of one study? Google it you lazy twat.

How do you KNOW a preemie or a fetus feels pain, much less more pain than anyone else, even despite having underdeveloped nervous systems? Let's see your research, put up or shut up.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 Wow, you are definitely closed off to anything that is the truth, and you also seem to think that because we are typing to each other on a computer means you can say anything you want, even though the words are very cold and hurtful. My question for you is, have you ever walked into a NICU, had a daughter or son who was in there, or anything like that? I also think it's very sad that you base all this on the thought that abortion is not wrong, when it is. God bless you anyways

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim I'm closed off to the truth? That's so funny. I already sent you one study, which you clearly haven't bothered to read. And I have and am willing to send more. Further, I've asked you several times now for any studies you might have. It's not my fault you are unable to present your case.

I base my knowledge on fetal pain on FACTS, not emotion like you do. Maybe you shouldn't be so closed off to the truth, hm?

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 I did not mean to offend you but I'll look at what you gave me later, but the reason why I said you are closed off to the truth is because I've given you my testimony time and time again about how my daughter was in the NICU for two months. A premature baby would be considered a fetus if it were not born yet and most premature babies are still at the age where they could have been aborted. Just think about that, and also research both sides, pro-life and pro-choice.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim You've got a lot of nerve telling me I need to do research when you make it so clear you don't do any yourself.

Again, why should I take a random internet anti's anecdote more seriously than seceral studies by professionals?

Actually, no. Premies don't even have a 50% chance of survival until 24 weeks. That's past the legal limit on abortion, after all, abortion in the US is dependent on viability. It's illegal to abort a viable fetus except in extreme circumstances

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 Many 22 weekers can survive and live perfectly normal lives. In fact it is very rare that a baby dies in the NICU. Never meant to offend you, but you also have a lot of nerve telling me to research when I've been in a NICU before. Have you ever almost lost a child due to prematurity? Have you had to watch another parents child die due to prematurity? I have been through that. You have not once asked me how my daughter's doing, which shows you really don't care.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim

1. "Many 22 weekers can survive and live perfectly normal lives."

If by 'many,' you mean 10% and normal lives you mean 'severely disabled.'

2. Your daughter isn't the subject of this discussion. Your still undefended assertion that neonates feel more pain that anyone else is.  I'm simply not interested in your emotional appeals, just facts, which you have yet to present.

3. Simply entering an NICU does not grant you credibility over medical professionals who WORK THERE.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 You've got a lot of nerve to tell me that my daughter is not the subject of this discussion. You have a lot of anger and are very cold hearted and it seems that you really don't care about the fact that people are alive or dead. I do care. I care about a woman whose life can get messed up by abortion, I care about those children who deserve a chance. I think I am done replying to your very cold comments. I know a lot of 22 weekers that are not handicapped and are normal.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim Yes, my comments are so cold I'm only prepared to deal with reality. I said your daughter isn't the subject of this conversation because she isn't. I don't care what grades she's getting in school either.

We were talking about the possibility of fetal pain. You said you had scientific tests - SHOW THEM!

Oh, you care about women do you? What about all the women whose lives are ruined because they DON'T abort? How about the thousands who die in illegal abortions? You don't care.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 What about all the women whose lives are ruined by abortion? I've seen it first hand, so for you to tell people that children ruin your life is a complete lie. They change your life, yes, but NEVER would an innocent child ruin a woman's life.

About that proof, I don't have to have it. Whether you like this or not, I saw my daughter go through it as well. a person who still should of been a fetus.

[juliewashere88]

@LovedbcHim Actually, negative feelings after an abortion are very rare and mostly predicted by someones feelings prior. The most common feelings after an abortion are actually relief and happiness.

Maybe you live in a land of hearts and rainbows where a forced and having children that you don't want or aren't able to care for is a good thing, but here in reality, that's just not the case.

Forced pregnancy ruins lives. Abortion saves lives.

Welcome to reality.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 And on top of that you are arguing with a person who has had experience and has had to watch another parents child die a horrible death. The NICU baby who was beside my daughter, he had a G.I. infection and they went to do surgery on his intestines and opened him up and found that it was not just a small part of his intestines, his whole entire digestive system was dead. They could do nothing and had to take him off of oxygen. Very rough thing for anyone to see.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 And then my daughter a couple days after that we almost lost her. We thought she had the same thing and she had actually stopped breathing and they had to put her back on a ventilator. But any amount of touch to her was painful the first couple weeks of her life. So when you say I need to do research that is very offensive, because I saw my daughter go through it. That's experience that no one should be arguing with.

[LovedbcHim]

@juliewashere88 This is possibly due to the fact that both a preemie and a fetus has a very thin layer of skin, which is unable to protect their nerves from any pain, because it is so thin. Imagine if you were in a car accident, and say your leg was all twisted and bloody and there was no skin there and someone came up to you and touched your leg. It would probably hurt badly. Again there is nothing there to protect the delicate nerves. Imagine how much more pain a baby can feel.

[segamon]

"do not depend on the body of another person" -- everyone depends on others for survival to some extent, especially during childhood. As an unborn, dependence is singular until at least 23 weeks. As a child, dependence should be by family. As a teenager, dependence is sometimes given by friends as well as family. As an adult, our dependence stems on the whole of society. Yet, only one degree of dependence is dishonorable-- the natural dependence of the unborn on it's mother; this is nonsensical.

[juliewashere88]

You're being intentionally dense. You know exactly what I mean when I say 'depend on the body of another person.' I am not connected to or inside of someone using their body for life support.

Once born, you depend upon others, but you don't depend upon their bodies.

[segamon]

I'm usually dense. It's one of my weaknesses, sad to say.

The unborn "depend on the body of another person" was welcomed by the mother by the act of sexual activity (except in the case of rape). You should really look into answering my question; when I asked "do you understand what I mean?" I really wanted an answer.

[segamon]

Emotion plays a part in debate, I admit that. Emotion usually plays the part of grabbing another persons attention. But to change a persons mind one needs fact! Images can represent a fact (for example: fetuses look human because they are human).

What I was trying to say was that relying on emotion alone does not constitute a defining attribute to debate. One needs to rely more on facts to win an honest debate.

[segamon]

Julie: "A woman who carries an unwanted pregnancy to term is charitable, but isn't morally obligated to do so. She alone owns her body, even if she's pregnant."

This is what I was referring to when I was saying that you were appealing to emotion. Scientific fact has proven time after time that the unborn are separate human beings from the mother. the "my body" mantra is completely false and thus is an attempt to rise up the emotions in others.

That's what I was referring to.

[juliewashere88]

It's an appeal to emotion to state that a woman owns her body? I don't think you understand the 'my body' mantra. It's not referring to the body of the fetus as part of a woman's body, but the locationof the fetus - inside her body.

If she doesn't want it in her body, it's her prerogative to have it removed. She doesn't owe it use of her body.

[segamon]

It's emotional to state that a persons life must be destroyed only because it depends entirely on someone else.

If a deeply sick adult man came to you and you were his only hope for survival... would you just allow him to die because he has no right to use your resources for his survival? Your argument (which is the common argument of pro-choicers) is nonsensical IMO due to this and many other reasons.

[juliewashere88]

It's being emotional to assign person-hood to a non-sentient potential person and pretend that that outweigh the rights of real person.

If a deeply sick adult man needed to use my body to live, say my kidney or something, it would be up to me whether to donate one of mine to him. It would be a charitable thing to do, but I am under no obligation.

[segamon]

"real person" -- the unborn are real persons, there is no doubt about that.

"kidney or something" -- I never mentioned anything about organ donation or using your body to live. I merely stated that this meek and sick man could only survive with your help! The unborn can only survive with the help of the mother who helped in it's creation. The mother has a moral obligation to help this person survive. 24 weeks of minimum temporary assistance (organ donation is NOT temporary) is not much to ask.

[segamon]

The moment that science shows, beyond a doubt, that human starts at another moment other than conception, I will always be a strong witness to protect the unborn.

I certainly agree that at this time our laws and many people in our society do not give equal value to fetuses. These sources are extremely subjective, Julie.

Should we agree with objective science? Or should we agree with subjective emotions such as what you are suggesting?

[segamon]

I should have said "Until the moment that science shows..." Sorry.

[juliewashere88]

I agree with objective science, none of which has really lent any credence to the idea that you propose. I think it is for subjective, emotional reasons that you cling to your unfounded view.

As I've said before, even if it could somehow be shown that a fetus should be considered a person, I would still continue to be pro choice because no person has the right to the body of another person. Nobody.

[legalbeagle26]

The extreme Left in this country have nothing pertinent to say, they only speak in vield cliches! Hey that rhymed! LOL Anyway seriously folks how about actually listening to science, human life begins at conception!

[jedamm]

barf.

[legalbeagle26]

You would rather "Barf" than have an intelligent, civil, discussion with someone who has a different worldview! See that's the far left for ya, "Hey we are tolerant unless and until you disagree with us"

[chi1088]

Tough to have an intelligent or civil discussion with someone of an opposing viewpoint who begins a conversation with the words, "The extreme Left in this country have NOTHING PERTINENT to say..."

You may have something valuable to offer, but you certainly seem to be whining about how one should debate you because you aren't quite sure what to say about how abstinence-only education increases sexual activity, how anti-abortionists terrorize or harass clinics, how a fetus is not a baby, etc.

[blytheka]

Troy Newman is a hero. Someday when there is a holocaust museum to memorialize the millions of dead children killed by abortion, Troy is going to be in the heroes section.

[chi1088]

And what about Scott Roeder or Paul Jennings Hill? Or the Army of God? Where will I be able to find them in this museum?

[TeresaLoffer]

I want to know how come Troy was talking about cockroaches, why he didn't mention that he was dressed up as one at one Kansas State Fair? He must have a thing for cockroaches. He is quite the bully.

[Maggotpunk]

How come Troy isn't proud to admit that assassin Scott Roeder was a reliable donor to his organization, and that his clinic bomber VP provided the info to Roeder to commit his crime?

[chi1088]

Before you suck viewers of this video into some debate over whether abortion is or is not murder, remember---

This whole debate stems from an ideology based in religion. And, this ideology has no problem with a society where women are enslaved by their own fertility or for that matter, their own body.

[segamon]

" ideology based in religion."

lmfao!!!

godlessprolifers[dot]org

plagal[dot]org

physiciansforlife[dot]org

I didn't think that it was religious to protect other people's lives... If it is religious to protect other people's lives then I guess you would be okay to kill a 5-year old child?

It is NOT religious to defend other human beings! *duh*

[KenTankerous]

Great job of capturing the sights, sounds and spirit of the weekend! I'm honored to have stood with these great folks against the terrorism of OpRes!

[SouthernCelticGirl]

Calling the anti-abortion movement "terrorism" is like calling people who opposed Hitler killing the Jews "terrorists" for opposing their murder.

[KenTankerous]

I am not calling those that oppose abortion terrorist. I am calling those that use force or the threat of force to impose their socio-political religious views on those that do not share their views terrorist.

If you oppose abortion, work to prevent unwanted pregnancy through comprehensive sex ed. Work to find cures for fetal ailments that necessitate abortion. But do NOT come to a clinic to intimidate, harass and shame women who've made a decision that is best for their family..

[blytheka]

If that's the case, then Operation Rescue does not fit into the category of terrorist. They do not use force or threat of force. Also, comprehensive sex ed has only seen an increase in sexual activity resulting in more abortions, more STDs, more damaged people.

[chi1088]

No, abstinence-only education has seen an increase in sexual activity. Comprehensive sex education is underfunded or not offered in most school districts in America. And, Americans can thank pro-life organizations for that.

[LovedbcHim]

@chi1088 No offense, but if that's true, then when's the last time abstinence was actually taught in high schools'?

[jedamm]

blatant lie. abstinence education is what increases sexual activity and inflates teen birth rates. you should learn to discern credible sources of info from bullshlt