I am thinking of doing this to my 442, but I have a question. Is it safe to remove the internal lock on these guns? I hate the lock and I want to remove it but I am unsure if it is safe to do, could this cause an injury to me if I remove the internal lock?
all went well... 15 minute job, as another said. I haven't decided whether to get the lock plug and take the actual key cylinder out as well, or just leave as-is. I did put a dab of heavy grease in the tiny hole left to keep stuff out of there, but in actuality nothing's really likely to get into that little hole... it could be used as a lubing port on the closed hammer designs like my 642... thanks again. :)
dude... you gotta say "Go ahead, make my day" on your next video... you sound like Clint Eastwood... my wife said the same thing. Great video, by the way... I'll do my 642 this evening... thanks. :)
This is an extremely well done video. Thank You! Do you have any suggestions for plugging the hole that this creates? I sure don't want sand or something getting into the mechanism.
Thanks, I just received the plug in the mail. I will remove the lock and install the plug. Your video is excellent and gave me what I need to complete the job,
I enjoyed the video. The background music could have the volume lowered a little more (for my taste). I removed the lock and ground off the locking lug and replaced the lock plate. It wil never interfere with the hammer in the present condition.
The twist tie was new to me; I have never needed anything to assist with reinstalling the main spring- but if it helps someone - great.
@Mr257wby But at 4:12 and some other points too, when it is fully sideways, you can clearly see the gun is not loaded. See the clear gap between the frame and the back of the cylinder?
Thought this guy was very smart and created a great instructional video. Thought he really knows what he is talking about. Then I noticed the gun was loaded!!!
If there is any chance the IL will fail, I don't want to bet my life it will work when I need it to. Just bought a Performance Center gun that has these stupid locks. IL will be gone today.
Thank you for this video. It was so easy for me to remove the "safety" lock on my S&W 442 Heller>DC gun. I didn't have to do some parts as you did in your video, though, possibly due to a change in manufacturing or internal design. I am in your debt.
@robcam817 Any recommendation for filling in the lock hole? Cosmetic I know but that hole in the side is irritating...
Not the key lock hole but the pivot post hole would be open.
Remove the plate, file off the stub and reinstall. That fills in the pivot post hole. The key lock and pivot post are still there and everything looks intact and unaltered.
I agree that a device that makes something not work sounds a problem. The Smith and Wesson does well with passive safety devices, but this lock is a political solution.
I prefer lock boxes and keeping the weapon on my person. Being a sitting duck is not acceptable.
The only purpose this can have is to allow people to hold the key and leave the weapon lying around.
Excellent, very clear and easy to follow instructions to make sure you have a functional firearm if God forbid you ever actually really need it to function. Thank you and well done.
This is exactly why I will not buy a new S&W revolver. Only the ones without the "Infernal Lock System" are any good to me. I don't want even the slight chance of the gun becoming inoperable when my LIFE depends on it.
For those who say "this makes the gun unsafe!", you don't know what you're talking about. Millions of pre-2000 revolvers out there function perfectly and have for over 100 years, so don't give me that.
Your vid actually helps make guns SAFER, i. e. function properly. Thanks!
@TheChoada For me, my refusal to buy a new one is as much a matter of principle as it is safety (pre-2000 ones, no problem, totally great guns). Thanks to your vid, you've made it a lot easier for people to put them back to the way they should be and originally were--safer to operate.
No, not dangerous. In fact, it insures that the firearm will work PROPERLY when needed. These "safety locks" have been know to fail and make the firearm inoperable - not good if your life depends on it...
Thanks for the video ! I have the 642 airweight, would the procedure be the same on it as well ? I hope so, I don't like the idea of the revolver locking down when I need it the most. I'll take my chances with the jury or the lawyers. You know the old saying " I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 . Actually I bought mine online and had I known it had a lock I would have purchased a used older revolver instead . Do you personally know of the lock jamming the action during use ?
@carvinrigged There are plenty of original manufactured "no lock" 642s currently on the market. S&W makes both the 442 and 642 models sans the storage lock.
oki very nice vid, very well explained but What does this do?I mean does it just make it so u cant lock the hammer back to single action? & if thats it why would u want to dissable a revolver from being able to be cocked & be on single action?especially if u are waiting for a legal opening to shoot. I just dont fully understand what u are doing??or what ir does to the gun........
@4eversnubby oh ok now this makes much more sense, All my revolvers are older. My dads colt agent(that ambridge PA police used b4 they got the glocks)&my grandfathers .38 full size that he used when he was a cop so neither of them have that lock lol but yeah that makes sense I never knew revolvers had a lock like that
Thank you!!! Didn't even know this was possible. Disabling it is a personal choice, but I'd personally not want ANYTHING in my way, as if I ever need it, too much already is wrong. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Good video, but the first step is NOT "remove the pistol grip". The first step is always, "double check that the firearm is unloaded." This may be a given for most of us, but when instructing we must always remember the lowest common denominator.
Are there any legal drawbacks to doing this on a carry gun? Id hate to be sitting in court, having to explain to a judge/jury why I disabled a safety mechanism on my gun.
Same logic for removing the pin safety on the series 80 1911s, I was told to just not do it.
Whatever happened to Dont do anything you cant explain.
@epy0n13 - doubtful it's a court issue. The integrated lock is not a "safety' device intended to prevent firing of a defensive revolver. It's more of a "storage security device" intended to prevent unauthorized use if the gun should be stolen or found in the home. It's doubtful a DA could convince a jury that to operate your carry gun, you'd be expected to draw the gun *and* your key ring to unlock the gun before shooting.
@epy0n13 It is not a crime to disable an internal lock on a revolver. Therefore no explaination is necessary, unless you disable the lock on a gun that does not belong to you. That could be interpreted as vandalism because you failed to seek permission before doing so. If you use a gun w/ a disabled lock in a defensive shooting the veracity of the shooting itself may be called into question, not the gun.
@FaganRoberts - This is an interesting debate. However, after some years of reading discussions by Masaad Ayoob, as he describes his experiences as an expert witness in a number of shooting trials, I would have to agree that it is a bad idea to alter the handgun in this way. Doing anything to disable what a manufacturer has designed as a "safety feature" invites direct questioning by prosecuting attorneys during your day in court after you fire your weapon in defense.
@CaptainMacNasty That might be an issue if your buddy shoots himself in the foot with your gun, playing around w/ a negligent discharge. But as far as defensive shooting situations, it is a bunk hypothesis. Safety feature will NOT be an issue. The veracity of the shoot will be, if applicable.
@FaganRoberts - Your point is completely logical! ...sadly, the behavior of attorneys in courtroom prosecutions is defined by what reaction they can get from twelve of "your peers" sitting in box (barely awake). As Masaad Ayoob has described on a number of occasions in his books and journal articles, even the use of hollow point bullets in a defensive situation is target for a prosecutor to label you as planning to kill someone. Of course, I cannot speak for Ayoob, so google him.
@CaptainMacNasty Attorney's may make many irrelevant pronouncements in court during legal proceedings. But judges will strike them off the record if the line of questioning does not pertain to the elements in resolution of the case. Cub lawyers can try this but it won't last too long. Many legal novices and gun writers focus on these questions, but they never follow up to evaluate how it impacts the final case. In the final analysis their merits are virtually nill.
@FaganRoberts - Well... it's just my opinion, but it's worth doing some research on Massad Ayoob, and the number of times he has served in an expert witness capacity in trial. I think his expertise and experience in such matters carries more weight than the opinions of any of us. Good luck!
@FaganRoberts - You got a deal! In exchange, please let me know when you have one-tenth the expertise, experience, credentials, credibility, leadership, respect of the law enforcement community and legal knowledge that is true of Massad Ayoob.
@CaptainMacNasty LOL - I'm a lawyer myself, if you didn't get the hint. But no, I won't exchange a copy of my law license nor diploma. However, if you're ever in need of legal assistance in the Chicagoland, Illinois area, feel free to email me. Although I heartedly submit I haven't held my legal credentials as long as Ayoob has been writing articles for the gun rags.
@FaganRoberts - So this debate is over! Clearly, your experience entitles you to look upon three decades of distinguished service, real-world experience, and public acclaim, and then dismiss it all as merely "writing articles for the gun rags". (P.S. It's "heartily".)
@CaptainMacNasty Yes, my experience with Ayoob is that he writes articles for gun magazines. I recognize all the accolades you proscribe to him and then some. I've an autographed copy of "In the Gravest Extreme," which I've held for nearly 30 years! So I know he also writes books. We both have a remarkable grasp of the obvious. But I also point out he is obviously not a lawyer. That's all. Debate over!
(PS: It's "heartedly") adverb, "with heart" I submit. I am not a "hearty" kind of a guy.
@epy0n13 By doing this you are insuring that when you NEED to use the firearm, it will work. There are MANY other ways to safely secure a firearm from being used by anyone other than yourself. But this internal lock has been know to fail and make the firearm inoperable - Not good if your life depends on it...
@epy0n13 Doing this to a carry gun INSURES that the gun will work properly when needed. These "safety locks" have been know to fail and make the gun inoperable - not a good thing when your life depends on it. To store a gun safely, use external safety measures such as a locked safe, external trigger lock, etc. But any internal locking mechanism will render the gun inoperable if it fails...
@Makingnewnamesisdumb There have been multiple instance of the internal lock failing and making the gun inoperable. The internal lock was only added as a response to the Clinton Adminstration's pressure on Smith and Wesson. But even if it failed only once, that is one time too many when your life depends on it...
A great video.. I was wondering if this process of lock removal would be the same or similar to the process of removing the lock on a "Smith model 60?"
As far as I can tell it will probably be the same. The diagram that I have for the model 60 is shown without the internal lock but all the other internals look the same.
4ever - what a GREAT how-to video. You seem to fully understand what it takes to show and teach a novice. Your camera angles and your pointer really help. Please put up more vids (gun or non-gun related - you're a good teach).
I don't know why some think the weapon was loaded. The empty cylinder chambers are clearly visible at around 1:34. By the way, my S&W 340PD locked up while firing a carry permit renewal class on the DPMS range in St Cloud. And yes, it was related to the internal safety rotating on during firing. The on-range gunsmith said this wasn't the first time he's seen it. That "safety lock" is going to get someone killed someday. Thanks for the great video, 4eversnubby!
Great video, including the music. After talking to a S&W armorer, I ground down the locking post in the center of the lock flag plate and reinstalled it. He said there is a remote chance the lock cam or spring could fall into the action during recoil or a drop. Of course he said the lock works fine as designed-LOL. I see on the S&W site they are offering no-cock revolvers again (except in Maryland).
Just did this fix---the spring and plunger on the cylinder bolt went FLYING across the room--watch out for this. I did manage to find them and outside of looking for the tiny parts that flew out, it took 10 minutes. Other lock fixes had the entire lock mechanism removed, leaving a hole in the left side of the frame--is it safe to leave the other parts of the lock in the gun?
Thank you for this video! These stupid locks have been known to lock up a cylinder and cause a VERY unsafe condition.. not to mention if the damn thing locks up in a SD situation. S & W really screwed the pooch on this. As far as a trigger job a=on a J frame, don't do it without expert advice, as stock J frames barely have enough energy to ignite primers as it is.. if you weaken the spring you may have ignition problems
Great Video. Just subed. Now this is the stuff I like to see. I have a S&W 442 that has a lock. I sure would like to change the springs and make the trigger pull a little easier. I do not have the skills or knowledge as of yet - I just learned how to remove the lock (THANKS) could you please do a video on how to replace trigger springs or could you refer me to a video. Thank You. Sincerely, JAMES.
...that fit in there before and epoxying it in from the outside to close that hole, but that doesn't work because it interferes with the thumb piece. I could epoxy it in from the inside, but I wouldn't want it coming loose and jamming up the mechanism, so right now i've just got the big hole. I guess I'll try closing off part of it at least with electrical tape.
GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO! THANK YOU! Very well done. Very professional. I made an extra step and removed the remains of the lock. Only trouble is the big hole in the frame now right behind the thumb piece. I thought of taking the part ...
Well demonstrated & xplained. But there r 2 reasons why "safety" needs 2B removed and this vid only addresses 1 of the 2 issues
By removing safety we have reduced the possibility of a Murphy's Law malfnction which could cost someone their LIFE.
A 2nd issue remains The S&W revolver is an artistic masterpiece of form following function. Adding an idiotic gizmo is like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa. Someone needs 2 offer a aftermkt cyl. latch that is offset & covers the abomination
Hopefully S&W will eliminate that stupid internal lock and this will no longer be an issue. Just the sight of that key hole is enough to make me not buy one. It's like a great gaping eye of big brother looking at me. I'll never own one of those damned things, even with this fix. Thanks for posting this though. Great info non the less.
Great video, but what happened to the hammer block in disassembly and reassembly? I find that this is the part that can gets "misplaced" the most during working on the gun. It is distinctly the part that causes the most trouble in reassembly.
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT VIDEO. Well narrated and shot. 9/10 only because from 8:10 on you had shells in the cylinders as you hammered down the sideplate. @ 9:00 you had your ring finger in the trigger guard with the muzzle pointing at your hand and maybe at your torso. o.O Certainly you are familiar enough with weapons, but some of your viewers might not be - those might have been spent shells, but newbies might not realize that. Bookmarked.
Why would you want to remove the locking feature? I find it convenient for those times I want the weapon inaccessible but dont have a safe around. I have never had a problem with it, either. It doesn't jam up the action when not in use or otherwise cause problems. Have therre been complaints in the past?
There have been some incidents where the locking mechanism has locked up under recoil, particularly with Airweights.
Because the trigger is fully rearward when this happens, it causes a significant problem. Much worse than what one might encounter with a jam on a semi-auto pistol.
Yeah, that would be maxi-unsafe . I would never carry an airwieght anyway, though; aand my 629 is plenty heavy enough that the lock wont jam. Some folks like airweights for carrying but that IMHO is negated by the fact that they are unpleasant to fire and thus range time is neglected in too many cases. Besides the extra weight keeps the lard off my fat butt.
I am thinking of doing this to my 442, but I have a question. Is it safe to remove the internal lock on these guns? I hate the lock and I want to remove it but I am unsure if it is safe to do, could this cause an injury to me if I remove the internal lock?
pfctjd 2 days ago
Thanks so much for this video.
Did this on my 642 in 15 minutes or less.
Thumbs up to you sir!
MrJohnnyArcher 6 days ago
all went well... 15 minute job, as another said. I haven't decided whether to get the lock plug and take the actual key cylinder out as well, or just leave as-is. I did put a dab of heavy grease in the tiny hole left to keep stuff out of there, but in actuality nothing's really likely to get into that little hole... it could be used as a lubing port on the closed hammer designs like my 642... thanks again. :)
FuelTankerMan 1 week ago
dude... you gotta say "Go ahead, make my day" on your next video... you sound like Clint Eastwood... my wife said the same thing. Great video, by the way... I'll do my 642 this evening... thanks. :)
FuelTankerMan 1 week ago
This is an extremely well done video. Thank You! Do you have any suggestions for plugging the hole that this creates? I sure don't want sand or something getting into the mechanism.
PowerForGood 1 week ago
great vid, i used that on my sw500, how about the key lock mech. removal
mamertocruz 2 weeks ago
Is that freakin thing loaded? Or are those some kind of snap caps
mrmikesgunrack 2 weeks ago
This has to be the best "how to" video I've seen to date on youtube. Very nicely done!
Rastoff1 1 month ago
Thanks, I just received the plug in the mail. I will remove the lock and install the plug. Your video is excellent and gave me what I need to complete the job,
Thanks, Chuck
Chuck23250 1 month ago
Great video, Thanks!
I have a SW 686 Plus, are the lock removal steps similar enough to get me through removing the lock on my 686?
I watched another video that showed a 696 go into lock mode automatically and couldn't be unlocked. I think I'll remove the lock from my 686.
Chuck23250 2 months ago
@Chuck23250 The 686 and the 686+ are the same internally. In fact, all modern S&W revolvers have essentially the same internals.
Jrhoney 1 month ago
Great job on this video. THANKS!
copabeat 2 months ago
Sir, you have saved many revolver owners' lives with this video.
nchau78666 2 months ago
Thank you SO much for posting this.
MegaGevehr 3 months ago
Well done video, ty
Mrbeanutube 3 months ago
I enjoyed the video. The background music could have the volume lowered a little more (for my taste). I removed the lock and ground off the locking lug and replaced the lock plate. It wil never interfere with the hammer in the present condition.
The twist tie was new to me; I have never needed anything to assist with reinstalling the main spring- but if it helps someone - great.
Keep up the good work.
mongosafariadventure 3 months ago
Thank you for this video. Your narration is excellent. The music track is very distracting and really detracts from the video.
marcclarke01 4 months ago
Hello,
I just wanted to thank you for this video! After removing the lock from my dad's 442, he can now carry without worry of it locking up on him.
pfctjd 4 months ago
So when he puts the side plate back on 8:25, I'm pretty sure that the gun is loaded!
Mr257wby 4 months ago
@Mr257wby But at 4:12 and some other points too, when it is fully sideways, you can clearly see the gun is not loaded. See the clear gap between the frame and the back of the cylinder?
snappydoodad 3 months ago
Great video , but damn Smith & Wesson for caving in like a bunch of little bitches and installing that damn lock.
rcruz003 4 months ago
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gregmick 4 months ago
Thought this guy was very smart and created a great instructional video. Thought he really knows what he is talking about. Then I noticed the gun was loaded!!!
gregmick 4 months ago
What a great vid I followed it step by step thanks
tacticalfirefighter3 5 months ago
The Internal lock is for democrates and pussies +_+
whatever7x7 6 months ago 2
cool vid. wonder if its that easy with a model 442
happygunhead 6 months ago
If there is any chance the IL will fail, I don't want to bet my life it will work when I need it to. Just bought a Performance Center gun that has these stupid locks. IL will be gone today.
wgrant6318 6 months ago
LOVE the porn background music!
TheFingAmazingHunter 8 months ago
@TheFingAmazingHunter
You've watched too much porn.
I find it to be more like old-timey supermarket music. Kinda like elevator music, too.
Tezcatlepocatl 7 months ago
+1 good vid.
yuks714 9 months ago
Thank you for this video. It was so easy for me to remove the "safety" lock on my S&W 442 Heller>DC gun. I didn't have to do some parts as you did in your video, though, possibly due to a change in manufacturing or internal design. I am in your debt.
zulu45 9 months ago
Any recommendation for filling in the lock hole? Cosmetic I know but that hole in the side is irritating...
robcam817 9 months ago
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@robcam817 Any recommendation for filling in the lock hole? Cosmetic I know but that hole in the side is irritating...
Not the key lock hole but the pivot post hole would be open.
Remove the plate, file off the stub and reinstall. That fills in the pivot post hole. The key lock and pivot post are still there and everything looks intact and unaltered.
mongosafariadventure 3 months ago
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How could you remove the internal lock? It is there for your own protection. You monster!
Sherpaful 9 months ago
Is it leagal to do this,I hope so ....
MrNapalm138 10 months ago
Great vid. Thanks for posting.
DVC5 10 months ago
Thanks for taking the time to put this out!
chriskc04 10 months ago
Superb video - Thanks for taking the time to make this. Excellent job on preparing your remarks and sequences
doctorxring 11 months ago
They are now making 442 and 642 without locks
mrmott44 11 months ago
This is an awesome video thanks for posting it. You did it right. BigBill
bill154cub 11 months ago
I have been reading about this hated internal lock, but I thought you could just unlock it and throw away the key and everything would be fine.
But then someone sid that the main problem about the lock is that it can cause troubles when shooting.
Please correct me on this.
I love your video man. So detailed, clear and consice
Antarath 11 months ago
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I have a 686. How would you disable the lock on this gun?
071969jac 11 months ago
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071969jac 11 months ago
Perfect video explanation of the procedure!
captainpegs07 11 months ago
that gun is loaded???
lasleandras 1 year ago
Very well done! Makes me want to finally get a Smith revolver.
RaidingWindmills 1 year ago
Best elevator music. Good vid. Anyone know if this procedure is the same for a 438?
Tm0g762 1 year ago
Great video. It was clear and concise Now I will have to check out if you have any other videos.
Very well done.
frankgon4 1 year ago
Great, helpful video. Got the job done, no problem. Many thanks and now, no worries about unintended lock engagement.
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cheristessa 1 year ago
Good Stuff. A 5 Minute job. Lock is Gone. Thanks. No more locked S & W's for me. Ever
whogasa929 1 year ago
Very well done and described.
Hopefully, people know to clear the weapon first.
I agree that a device that makes something not work sounds a problem. The Smith and Wesson does well with passive safety devices, but this lock is a political solution.
I prefer lock boxes and keeping the weapon on my person. Being a sitting duck is not acceptable.
The only purpose this can have is to allow people to hold the key and leave the weapon lying around.
ScottieG59 1 year ago
Excellent, very clear and easy to follow instructions to make sure you have a functional firearm if God forbid you ever actually really need it to function. Thank you and well done.
luzzo 1 year ago
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I hate to be a ball buster, but isn't the first step to open the action and make sure the thing is unloaded?
jingles373 1 year ago
@jingles373
Yes.
4eversnubby 1 year ago 2
@jingles373 anyone who is stupid enough to attempt gunsmithing and dose not know that deserves to shoot themselves
rollerpodger 4 months ago
@jingles373 :rolleyes:
abafrank07 4 months ago
o i miss the good o days when guns were built to protect yourself and not built to be lawyer proof
TheKentuckykid9513 1 year ago 18
This is exactly why I will not buy a new S&W revolver. Only the ones without the "Infernal Lock System" are any good to me. I don't want even the slight chance of the gun becoming inoperable when my LIFE depends on it.
For those who say "this makes the gun unsafe!", you don't know what you're talking about. Millions of pre-2000 revolvers out there function perfectly and have for over 100 years, so don't give me that.
Your vid actually helps make guns SAFER, i. e. function properly. Thanks!
sfliberal 1 year ago 13
@sfliberal Just remove the mechanism. Theres no reason not to buy their guns because of this.
TheChoada 1 year ago
@TheChoada For me, my refusal to buy a new one is as much a matter of principle as it is safety (pre-2000 ones, no problem, totally great guns). Thanks to your vid, you've made it a lot easier for people to put them back to the way they should be and originally were--safer to operate.
sfliberal 1 year ago
So this isn't dangerous to the function of your gun in any way? It will behave exactly the same and there isn't anything to worry about?
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
No, not dangerous. In fact, it insures that the firearm will work PROPERLY when needed. These "safety locks" have been know to fail and make the firearm inoperable - not good if your life depends on it...
westman750 1 year ago
Thanks for the video ! I have the 642 airweight, would the procedure be the same on it as well ? I hope so, I don't like the idea of the revolver locking down when I need it the most. I'll take my chances with the jury or the lawyers. You know the old saying " I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 . Actually I bought mine online and had I known it had a lock I would have purchased a used older revolver instead . Do you personally know of the lock jamming the action during use ?
carvinrigged 1 year ago
@carvinrigged There are plenty of original manufactured "no lock" 642s currently on the market. S&W makes both the 442 and 642 models sans the storage lock.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
Excellent video, 4eversnubby. Thanks for posting it.
JoBatin 1 year ago
this video is a god send. thank you so much
LiftedShooter 1 year ago
The only people who consider this locking mechanism a "safety device" are lawyers.
TreadOnMeNot 1 year ago
@TreadOnMeNot So true. But you know the old joke: "what's a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the sea?".........
jgreystoke 1 year ago
The only people who consider this locking mechanism a "safety device" are lawyers.
TreadOnMeNot 1 year ago
At the 8:9 minute mark that thing looked like it was loaded, and you had it aimed at your gut. Great video, but NEVER! work on a loaded firearm.
GottaBeekiddin 1 year ago
Great video! How much torque should you put on those frame screws?
SuperSneakySteve 1 year ago
Thank you very much you made it very easy to follow!
olchevyman 1 year ago
oki very nice vid, very well explained but What does this do?I mean does it just make it so u cant lock the hammer back to single action? & if thats it why would u want to dissable a revolver from being able to be cocked & be on single action?especially if u are waiting for a legal opening to shoot. I just dont fully understand what u are doing??or what ir does to the gun........
arkangel8419 1 year ago
@arkangel8419
The internal lock is a safety device that locks the hammer - no cocking,
no movement. Lock the hammer, hide the key and the gun is child proof. Some
people have had the lock parts jam the gun while firing, making the gun
inoperable. Remove the lock parts so they will not jam the gun while firing
but at the same time you have removed a safety device.
4eversnubby 1 year ago
@4eversnubby oh ok now this makes much more sense, All my revolvers are older. My dads colt agent(that ambridge PA police used b4 they got the glocks)&my grandfathers .38 full size that he used when he was a cop so neither of them have that lock lol but yeah that makes sense I never knew revolvers had a lock like that
arkangel8419 1 year ago
this is a great video, just delocked my night guard....awesome job man
postal1911 1 year ago
It looks like it was loaded!!!
ITSA556 1 year ago
Great video worked great for me removing the lock.
But, on your video between 8:09 and 8:11 the gun some how became loaded...I hope those were snap caps.
StockStang 1 year ago
Thank you!!! Didn't even know this was possible. Disabling it is a personal choice, but I'd personally not want ANYTHING in my way, as if I ever need it, too much already is wrong. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
jayrod1186 1 year ago
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westman750 1 year ago
@jayrod1186 Exactly right...
westman750 1 year ago
Damn good video. Well done and thanks.
robcam817 1 year ago
These locks are incredibly stupid. Thanks for posting this video. It's very well done!
papadrugio 1 year ago
porn music
magvat 1 year ago
Awesome! Thanks!
michaelsantino01 1 year ago
If I had only seen this video first...I engaged in some serious ass-clownery to get this done. Great video 4eversnubby!
whamfan87 1 year ago
Excellent video. Thank you.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
great vid, is it as easy on an exposed hammer?
marvintheboon 1 year ago
@marvintheboon
It may even be easier on an exposed hammer. The hammer spur
gives you something to hold when removing and reinserting the
hammer.
4eversnubby 1 year ago
Good video, but the first step is NOT "remove the pistol grip". The first step is always, "double check that the firearm is unloaded." This may be a given for most of us, but when instructing we must always remember the lowest common denominator.
TreadOnMeNot 1 year ago
Congrats! Great job on step by step procedure.
lhusby 1 year ago
Great job! Thanks for the videos.
QDude72 1 year ago
Excellent Video! Thanks for showing all the pertinent steps too!
billca951 1 year ago
Great how to. Thanks!
stradawhovious 1 year ago
Are there any legal drawbacks to doing this on a carry gun? Id hate to be sitting in court, having to explain to a judge/jury why I disabled a safety mechanism on my gun.
Same logic for removing the pin safety on the series 80 1911s, I was told to just not do it.
Whatever happened to Dont do anything you cant explain.
epy0n13 1 year ago
@epy0n13
Sorry, I'm not qualified to answer your question. This is an ongoing debate
on the forums. You will have to decide this one for yourself.
Thanks for giving my video a look.
4eversnubby 1 year ago
@epy0n13 - doubtful it's a court issue. The integrated lock is not a "safety' device intended to prevent firing of a defensive revolver. It's more of a "storage security device" intended to prevent unauthorized use if the gun should be stolen or found in the home. It's doubtful a DA could convince a jury that to operate your carry gun, you'd be expected to draw the gun *and* your key ring to unlock the gun before shooting.
billca951 1 year ago
@epy0n13 It is not a crime to disable an internal lock on a revolver. Therefore no explaination is necessary, unless you disable the lock on a gun that does not belong to you. That could be interpreted as vandalism because you failed to seek permission before doing so. If you use a gun w/ a disabled lock in a defensive shooting the veracity of the shooting itself may be called into question, not the gun.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts - This is an interesting debate. However, after some years of reading discussions by Masaad Ayoob, as he describes his experiences as an expert witness in a number of shooting trials, I would have to agree that it is a bad idea to alter the handgun in this way. Doing anything to disable what a manufacturer has designed as a "safety feature" invites direct questioning by prosecuting attorneys during your day in court after you fire your weapon in defense.
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
@CaptainMacNasty That might be an issue if your buddy shoots himself in the foot with your gun, playing around w/ a negligent discharge. But as far as defensive shooting situations, it is a bunk hypothesis. Safety feature will NOT be an issue. The veracity of the shoot will be, if applicable.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts - Your point is completely logical! ...sadly, the behavior of attorneys in courtroom prosecutions is defined by what reaction they can get from twelve of "your peers" sitting in box (barely awake). As Masaad Ayoob has described on a number of occasions in his books and journal articles, even the use of hollow point bullets in a defensive situation is target for a prosecutor to label you as planning to kill someone. Of course, I cannot speak for Ayoob, so google him.
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
@CaptainMacNasty Attorney's may make many irrelevant pronouncements in court during legal proceedings. But judges will strike them off the record if the line of questioning does not pertain to the elements in resolution of the case. Cub lawyers can try this but it won't last too long. Many legal novices and gun writers focus on these questions, but they never follow up to evaluate how it impacts the final case. In the final analysis their merits are virtually nill.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts - Well... it's just my opinion, but it's worth doing some research on Massad Ayoob, and the number of times he has served in an expert witness capacity in trial. I think his expertise and experience in such matters carries more weight than the opinions of any of us. Good luck!
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
@CaptainMacNasty Please let me know when Ayoob (anyway, an early proponent of the Brady Bill) becomes a lawyer, or better yet, a criminal judge.
A juris doctorate carries mutually formidable weight with me.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts - You got a deal! In exchange, please let me know when you have one-tenth the expertise, experience, credentials, credibility, leadership, respect of the law enforcement community and legal knowledge that is true of Massad Ayoob.
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
@CaptainMacNasty LOL - I'm a lawyer myself, if you didn't get the hint. But no, I won't exchange a copy of my law license nor diploma. However, if you're ever in need of legal assistance in the Chicagoland, Illinois area, feel free to email me. Although I heartedly submit I haven't held my legal credentials as long as Ayoob has been writing articles for the gun rags.
Nice try, though!
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts - So this debate is over! Clearly, your experience entitles you to look upon three decades of distinguished service, real-world experience, and public acclaim, and then dismiss it all as merely "writing articles for the gun rags". (P.S. It's "heartily".)
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
@CaptainMacNasty Yes, my experience with Ayoob is that he writes articles for gun magazines. I recognize all the accolades you proscribe to him and then some. I've an autographed copy of "In the Gravest Extreme," which I've held for nearly 30 years! So I know he also writes books. We both have a remarkable grasp of the obvious. But I also point out he is obviously not a lawyer. That's all. Debate over!
(PS: It's "heartedly") adverb, "with heart" I submit. I am not a "hearty" kind of a guy.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts The word "attorneys" (more than one attorney) does not require an apostrophe.
dklilm0mma 1 year ago
@dklilm0mma Thank you for the correction.
I am heartedly flattered by your review of my work. lol
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@epy0n13
Nope, you tell them the question is irrelevant. It's got nothing to do with the incident.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 1 year ago
@epy0n13 The lock is not a safety, it is an access restriction device.
fxhart 1 year ago
@epy0n13 My guess is that if you have to use your gun in a self defense situation, you're already in trouble with the law.
It will prevent the lockups that have been mentioned however.
RA59 1 year ago
@epy0n13 By doing this you are insuring that when you NEED to use the firearm, it will work. There are MANY other ways to safely secure a firearm from being used by anyone other than yourself. But this internal lock has been know to fail and make the firearm inoperable - Not good if your life depends on it...
westman750 1 year ago
@epy0n13 Doing this to a carry gun INSURES that the gun will work properly when needed. These "safety locks" have been know to fail and make the gun inoperable - not a good thing when your life depends on it. To store a gun safely, use external safety measures such as a locked safe, external trigger lock, etc. But any internal locking mechanism will render the gun inoperable if it fails...
westman750 1 year ago
@westman750 As far as I know there has only been one instance of a revolver locking up during shooting, and that was at a range.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb There have been multiple instance of the internal lock failing and making the gun inoperable. The internal lock was only added as a response to the Clinton Adminstration's pressure on Smith and Wesson. But even if it failed only once, that is one time too many when your life depends on it...
westman750 1 year ago
A great video.. I was wondering if this process of lock removal would be the same or similar to the process of removing the lock on a "Smith model 60?"
Thanks
honky105 1 year ago
@honky105
As far as I can tell it will probably be the same. The diagram that I have for the model 60 is shown without the internal lock but all the other internals look the same.
Thanks for viewing the video
Gary C
4eversnubby 1 year ago
4ever - what a GREAT how-to video. You seem to fully understand what it takes to show and teach a novice. Your camera angles and your pointer really help. Please put up more vids (gun or non-gun related - you're a good teach).
Spearfisher1970 1 year ago
@Spearfisher1970
Thanks for the nice comment.
What you said was exactly what I was trying to accomplish.
4eversnubby 1 year ago
Fantastic video, thanks for posting!
JDPatriot 1 year ago
Great video. I have a 637 and don't have the little "key" for the lock. Never would have used it anyway. Thanks for the great instructions!
millzy64 1 year ago
i got that same excact screw driver its so awesome
saltfish115 1 year ago
Very interesting. I always wondered what that lock looked like on the inside.
aracefan2001 2 years ago
I don't know why some think the weapon was loaded. The empty cylinder chambers are clearly visible at around 1:34. By the way, my S&W 340PD locked up while firing a carry permit renewal class on the DPMS range in St Cloud. And yes, it was related to the internal safety rotating on during firing. The on-range gunsmith said this wasn't the first time he's seen it. That "safety lock" is going to get someone killed someday. Thanks for the great video, 4eversnubby!
84HarleyD 2 years ago
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MrWoodsWalker 2 years ago
Where did you see ammo?
MagneticDog 2 years ago
PC FAGGOT!!!!
carolinadare 2 years ago
i like the litle arrow floating around.
Balisong005 2 years ago
Hello what is the internal lock used for?
is it for the thumb cylinder lock?
jassoe 2 years ago
The internal lock locks the hammer. The gun is then inoperable. I think it was intended to keep kids from firing the gun.
4eversnubby 2 years ago
Great video, including the music. After talking to a S&W armorer, I ground down the locking post in the center of the lock flag plate and reinstalled it. He said there is a remote chance the lock cam or spring could fall into the action during recoil or a drop. Of course he said the lock works fine as designed-LOL. I see on the S&W site they are offering no-cock revolvers again (except in Maryland).
mrmott44 2 years ago
Just did this fix---the spring and plunger on the cylinder bolt went FLYING across the room--watch out for this. I did manage to find them and outside of looking for the tiny parts that flew out, it took 10 minutes. Other lock fixes had the entire lock mechanism removed, leaving a hole in the left side of the frame--is it safe to leave the other parts of the lock in the gun?
mrmott44 2 years ago
Please show a vedio on x frame 500 magnum.
estantino 2 years ago
Very nice video, very informative and easy to follow.
ndcent4u 2 years ago
Good video, but I'm to scared to do it. I know my clumsy ass is going to mess something up.
Shinerbop 2 years ago
Excellent! I just used this to delock my 637 J-frame. Thanks for the effort!
bsogsef 2 years ago
I have a S&W 442 & S&W 442-2 ...both have internal locks.......before I disassemble my guns, is the lock the same on all J-Frames?
midnightnavyz28 2 years ago
Not certain about ALL J-frames but my guess is the internal lock is the same.
4eversnubby 2 years ago
Great video thanks this shows a lot of good pointers.
gchand7 2 years ago
Very informative. I just watched a video on a different site of the lock on an S&W revolver engaging while the gun was being shot. Bang Bang nothing.
This vid was linked to help the poster fix the problem.
mechredd 2 years ago
Great video. Thanks a lot!
Is the process the same for a 2002-dated 686P?
Jimbo1920 2 years ago
Great video! Thank you!!!
jrmn212 2 years ago
A very helpful video , thanks! I used this to remove the lock from my S&W 638.
TheGreatOnelol 2 years ago
OMG lol are those dummy rounds??? they dont look like it LOL. great vid tho, ima do it to my j frame, without ammo in it tho =)
WZW1982 2 years ago
Thank you for this video! These stupid locks have been known to lock up a cylinder and cause a VERY unsafe condition.. not to mention if the damn thing locks up in a SD situation. S & W really screwed the pooch on this. As far as a trigger job a=on a J frame, don't do it without expert advice, as stock J frames barely have enough energy to ignite primers as it is.. if you weaken the spring you may have ignition problems
7pt62manNW 2 years ago
Ok to I get some type or prize to see this gun is loaded after 8:23 and being hammered/worked on? Wow.
MrSteve65 2 years ago
I own a 640-1. I ve no idea if it has a lock. I also have no conception of what
these locks do. Could someone pleast
explain it to me. Thanks.
unclefreakinmike 2 years ago
Great Video. Just subed. Now this is the stuff I like to see. I have a S&W 442 that has a lock. I sure would like to change the springs and make the trigger pull a little easier. I do not have the skills or knowledge as of yet - I just learned how to remove the lock (THANKS) could you please do a video on how to replace trigger springs or could you refer me to a video. Thank You. Sincerely, JAMES.
buzzclark 2 years ago
well done!!!
nagkandautot2006 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
i jerked off to this vid
pervertedpenguin69 2 years ago
...that fit in there before and epoxying it in from the outside to close that hole, but that doesn't work because it interferes with the thumb piece. I could epoxy it in from the inside, but I wouldn't want it coming loose and jamming up the mechanism, so right now i've just got the big hole. I guess I'll try closing off part of it at least with electrical tape.
jrmn212 2 years ago
GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO! THANK YOU! Very well done. Very professional. I made an extra step and removed the remains of the lock. Only trouble is the big hole in the frame now right behind the thumb piece. I thought of taking the part ...
jrmn212 2 years ago
good video, but was that gun loaded? and the music sounds like something out of a 60s porno.
trippyhatesu 2 years ago
Yes it was loaded.....
shadowblack1987 2 years ago
Well demonstrated & xplained. But there r 2 reasons why "safety" needs 2B removed and this vid only addresses 1 of the 2 issues
By removing safety we have reduced the possibility of a Murphy's Law malfnction which could cost someone their LIFE.
A 2nd issue remains The S&W revolver is an artistic masterpiece of form following function. Adding an idiotic gizmo is like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa. Someone needs 2 offer a aftermkt cyl. latch that is offset & covers the abomination
9ronyo 2 years ago
Great video tutorial. I wish everyone was as thorough as you.
foutchjr 2 years ago
Excellent video and instructions. Very clear and well edited. Thanks!
hock4540 2 years ago
Very much needed info, I'm now ready to get rid of the lock on my 340pd. Also gun will be unloaded and double check ed>>Thanks
everediman 2 years ago
great vid, thanks for posting
kgriggs8 2 years ago
Hopefully S&W will eliminate that stupid internal lock and this will no longer be an issue. Just the sight of that key hole is enough to make me not buy one. It's like a great gaping eye of big brother looking at me. I'll never own one of those damned things, even with this fix. Thanks for posting this though. Great info non the less.
eiwaz 2 years ago
Great video, but what happened to the hammer block in disassembly and reassembly? I find that this is the part that can gets "misplaced" the most during working on the gun. It is distinctly the part that causes the most trouble in reassembly.
wjh2657 2 years ago
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT VIDEO. Well narrated and shot. 9/10 only because from 8:10 on you had shells in the cylinders as you hammered down the sideplate. @ 9:00 you had your ring finger in the trigger guard with the muzzle pointing at your hand and maybe at your torso. o.O Certainly you are familiar enough with weapons, but some of your viewers might not be - those might have been spent shells, but newbies might not realize that. Bookmarked.
Eskimonio 2 years ago
Thanks for the vid, thankfully i have a prelock 640, but it was a good video on taking the revolver down for me.
CHRISCOOBS 2 years ago
Nothing like the internals of the older revolvers. Really interesting stuff.
KillFrenzie 2 years ago
The song at the beginning sounds like porno music.
KillFrenzie 2 years ago
Why would you want to remove the locking feature? I find it convenient for those times I want the weapon inaccessible but dont have a safe around. I have never had a problem with it, either. It doesn't jam up the action when not in use or otherwise cause problems. Have therre been complaints in the past?
badflamenco 2 years ago
There have been some incidents where the locking mechanism has locked up under recoil, particularly with Airweights.
Because the trigger is fully rearward when this happens, it causes a significant problem. Much worse than what one might encounter with a jam on a semi-auto pistol.
cjlandry 2 years ago 3
Yeah, that would be maxi-unsafe . I would never carry an airwieght anyway, though; aand my 629 is plenty heavy enough that the lock wont jam. Some folks like airweights for carrying but that IMHO is negated by the fact that they are unpleasant to fire and thus range time is neglected in too many cases. Besides the extra weight keeps the lard off my fat butt.
badflamenco 2 years ago