Don't forget: They also specifically targeted their laws towards Jews, Gypsies, other so-called "undesirables", political dissidents and civilians in occupied zones.
guns are NOT the problem, it's the people who use guns for criminal activities that are the problem. once you crack down on the criminals with more police and giving Canadians proper self defense rights, the crime rate will become near zero. you also need a government willing to push through with regulation against crime, not the tools.
i love harper, and cant wait for the useless gun registry to be gone and move on, registry is useless, i store some of my guns at a friends place LOL and i dont give a fack
As a true believer in Democracy, I respect your right to free speech, and I support that, if not what you say, I'm going to disagree with you that the Long Gun Registry is useful, but I'm not going to hate you for what you say, instead I'm going to respect you for going out to Ottawa and standing up for what you belive in, THAT my friends, is true Democracy.
You stupid, stupid people. Your socialist world view is loosing steam. Gun control is becoming less and less popular nowadays, in the US, and even in Canada. It's not the 1990's anymore, your emotion based, fact lacking rhetoric fools only those who don't wish to listen to the truth, people like yourselves. The ball is rolling in the direction of liberty now, so grow the fuck up and stop hating the freedom that people gave their lives for us to have.
Firearms ownership is the most important liberty a citizen should have, and you hippies have to undermine it with your crooked self serving tactics...
Gun control doesn't stop madmen from killing people as 9/11 and shootings in the U.K. clearly illustrate. But on the horrible shooting day at Dawson College it was a man with a gun that stopped Kimveer Gill. Too bad the people at Ecole Polytechnique didn't have an armed citizen to save them.
How does laying a piece of paper beside a gun stop it's misuse by a mad man? The gun used at Dawson was registered. What did the registry do to help?
These 30 or so protesters really need to educate themselves.
Obama's hometown of Chicago has a handgun ban, yet still has higher handgun crime than New Hampshire, where you can legally walk around with a handgun? How is this possible if stricter gun laws work?
Do these poor, misguided, well-meaning, but painfully clueless people not realize that the Dawson shootings are painfully clear, blinding evidence that the registry does nothing to protect people? All it did at Dawson was tell police that the guns found next to Gills corpse were registered; it did nothoing to stop Gill, protect his victims, or comfort the bereaved...
Your imposition of restrictions and outright hatred and bigotry for responsible and reasonable Canadians is sickening. You won't be appeased until it's ALL YOUR WAY.
History says your arrogance will be your defeat. Drop the doob and join reality.
student unions, a group made up of a bunch of political science majors who are in such a useless program that they can sit around all day sniffing a** rather than having to study. Just a mob of people blindly following their leaders opinion whilst too stupid to actually form their own on facts rather than sentimental bs. Registry doesn't work, thats a fact, nomatter how many times some a**hat plays the emotional card. Guess it's easier to blame guns than it is people.
student unions, a group made up of a bunch of political science majors who are in such a useless program that they can sit around all day sniffing ass rather than having to study. Just a mob of people blindly following their leaders opinion whilst too stupid to actually form their own on facts rather than sentimental bs. Registry doesn't work, thats a fact, nomatter how many times some asshat plays the emotional card. Guess it's easier to blame guns than it is people.
You people are terribly naive; all the tens of you that took part.
The gun registry drove a wedge in Canadian society; it is the result of divisive politics. Now, some people are less equal before the law. It's about time this lame duck Liberal -Cukier love child was put down.
As for listening to "reasonable politics", how typical of the arrogant political left where anyone who disagrees is a heretic. Good riddance to the registry!
"and make Canada a beacon for fairness, for justice."
You could start by by getting rid of the draconian laws for gun ownership this country has, where, because of a hobby/sustinence/self defence people are treated like second class citizens. As for the justice, you could start by strengthening self defence laws and quit punishing the victims and letting the criminals go. Where is Lawrence Manzer's justice? Where is Ian Thomson's justice?
Well, unfortunately the registry and saving lives don't go hand in hand. Just look at the shooting at your very school. All the guns were registered, and that didn't save anyone's lives.
"Let's stop this politics of division." Yes, let's. But may I remind that the Liberals introduced all this. You want to stop politics of division? You give a little you get a little.
"Let's stop the right's politics. Let's listen to those who are reasonable"
Stop the right's politics and listen to those who are reasonable? So basically, everyone who disagrees with your views is unreasonable? And you want to stop divisive politics eh?
"Tomorrow we strengthen gun control and continue to unite this country."
We have been strengthing gun control laws since 1995, and look where it's gotten us. No lives saved, no increase in public safety (only an increase in CRIMINAL safety).
Come September 19th or 20th, the fate of the registry will be decided in parliament. With a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Conservative majority government, it will be scrapped. There will be no saving it.
A LGR proponent claims that the gun registry saves lives elsewhere. Where? South Africa, where a certain anti-self-defence person assisted SA in the purchase of the same software that did not work in Canada? I'm in contact with a SA police chief--medium sized city--who has to deal with a police officer shot in the face by a .44 and women under threat denied self-defence firearms licences--one of whom was raped and murdered two days after her licence was denied. So I have an emotional base, too.
The gun registry is the politics of division. It was created to divide canadians. It is neither fair nor just.
As Edmmund Burke once said, "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny". The Firearms act is bad law. It fails the tests of consitutionality, effectiveness and consent of the governed.
The gun registry has not saved a single life. Only the those with a vested financial interest in its survivel, or the ignorant, can claim any different. It's abolition is long overdue.
(1) Democracy looks like the recently-elected CPC majority, which has vowed to scrap the useless Registry.
(2) The Registry is much like those Q-Ray bracelets: only its proponents think it actually achieves something.
(3) The Registry is built/perpetuated not on the memories of those who died violently, but by the force of false 'statistics' (just how many times a day do supporters claim the Registry is now checked - 50,000 ? ) and those who created their public careers/reputations on it.
(1) Democracy looks like the recently-elected CPC majority, which has vowed to scrap the useless Registry.
(2) The Registry is much like those Q-Ray bracelets: only its proponents think it actually achieves something.
(3) The Registry is built/perpetuated not on the memories of those who died violently, but by the force of false 'statistics' (just how many times a day do supporters claim the Registry is now checked - 50,000 ? ) and those who created their public careers/reputations on it.
(1) Democracy looks like the recently-elected CPC majority, which has vowed t oscrap the useless Registry.
(2) The Registry is much like those Q-Ray bracelets: only its proponents think it actually achieves something.
(3) The Registry is built/perpetuated not on the memories of those who died violently, but by the force of false 'statistics' (just how many times a day do supporters claim the Registry is now checked - 50,000 ? ) and those who created their public careers/reputations on it.
I can't believe how brain washed some young people from my generation are! Where do you people get this kind of a socialist push from? You'd think you grew up in the People's Republic of China, or in North Korea. You talk about freedom and democracy but what you really mean is prohibition and restrictions on said freedom. Get a life and do something useful with it. Stop smoking dope and protesting everything! Guns don't kill people: lunatics kill people and the bunch of you are just that:Loons!
Disarm people??? Allow women to carry handguns and see what happens to rape and assualt stats...Look at our southern cousins, places that allow people to carry have low personal crime rate, look at the places that ban guns, chicago...high crime...LA...high crime....DC...high crime...an armed society is a polite society....
Money spent on women shelters and police training would save more lives than the LGR, The LGR is a waist and only criminalizes law abiding sportsman and target shooters...give your head a shake
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while all you fine folks are certainly entitled to your opinions, you debase yourself and your argumentation when you resort to name-calling and attacks.
it is possible to entertain a civilised discussion about how we can strike a balance between public safety and civil liberties.
as victims of gun violence, is is normal that our empathy leads us to want to keep the registry alive. it may not have worked at dawson, but it has and would continue to save lives elsewhere.
Why don't you concentrate on criminals, not anonymous objects? When somebody killed by a knife, shall we create "Long Knifes Registry"? How about rapes and "Long Penis Registry" - that would help tremendously, right?
@MyDSU108 The gun registry protects no one, it simple waste money and criminalizes law abiding citizens. The 2.2 billion dollars wasted could have been used on education and social programming. This would have gone farther than a registration program. The registration has failed and the majority of Canadians voted and wishes to see it go. These students would have done better to make a difference and statement by volunteering at a local inner-city youth programming.
@MyDSU108 Please give us one name, just ONE, of a person whose life was saved by the LGR. It can't (by its very nature) since it is an inanimate object, like guns are.
@MyDSU108 While I can understand one responding to their emotions, I want Canadian law to be based on facts. Controlling an object because of an action of a human is completely illogical and is doomed to fail - which it did. It didn't stop Dawson, because it couldn't stop Dawson, nor can it prevent any other shooting. There's a very slim chance that it could have some value to police. However that value doesn't justify it's costs or it's risk to freedom. You want to save lives? Lock up crooks.
@MyDSU108 Typical...lies, half-truths and non-facts being used to support the LGR. The assumption that registering the firearms of law abiding citizens will somehow prevent criminal use of them would be laughable, if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
Historically speaking, registration leads to confiscation, so I will be quite happy when the LGR is turfed :)
@MyDSU108 It is IMPOSSIBLE to entertain a civilized discussion with ideologues who are incapable of coming to grips with simple facts. Your refusal to grasp that the shooting at Dawson illustrates the uselessness of the firearms registry, or the simple truth that if even a handful of the Polytechnique victims had been armed for their own protection, more of them would still be alive, tells us that your version of "civilized discussion" merely entails you forcing your opinions on the rest of us.
@MyDSU108 as of yet, the registry has not saved a single life or even been used to prevent a crime. People bent on committing crime, will commit crime - they will not register there guns, they will use other methods of violance if guns aren't there. Dawson may have been better served with if Canada allowed CCW instead of having a LRG.
Do you not realize that your video and "march" are an insult to all gun owners?
The gun registry has ZERO to do with "Public Safety". You have been LIED to and taken it hook line and sinker. You were not victims of "gun violence" some of you were victims of a MADMAN. Full stop. The gun registry has not worked AT ALL. Ther is not a single solitary example. If you think that there is in the interest of civilized debate......by all means bring it forth.
The gun registry will not stop any future "Herostratuses" from making a name for themselves in infamy (Look up the story about the Temple of Artemis to see what I mean), it is a waste of money, and does nothing.
And I don't just want the long gun registry to go, I want the restricted firearms category gone, as well as the prohibited category...
@MyDSU108 Ah yes, because people of your stripe are totally above name calling. I seem to remember being called a murderer waiting to happen, racist and a psychopath just because I like firearms. You'd have nothing to do with that, right? Piss off, you and all your friends in the grave dancing, fear mongering, victim industry can't even pretend to take a position on any morally super pedestals any longer. It won't be tolerated. Nice try, though.
Yo dis video fukin strait up wack. Wut da fuck all my little niggas in tha hood supposd ta use fo protection??? Tha police be leavin us to die cuz they neva show up when u call dem. Yall crackas ain't eva been to tha hood so shut tha fuck up
Such a waste of time money and resources. It is shameful that in this day in age the young have such a disconnect with BASIC LOGIC!
The registry did NOTHING to prevent the shooting at Dawson and the ONLY thing that stopped it was.................and the irony here is palpable. ANOTHER PERSON TRAINED TO USE A GUN!
Get it!!
A madman with a gun Started the Shooting
A saneman with a gun STOPPED the shooting.
See the trend there? The gun did not matter it was ALL the menta state.
Guns were registered and handguns confiscated in The United Kingdom. The result? The UK is now the most violent country per capita in Europe, according to UN stats. In every U.S. state that introduced concealed carry for the law abiding, violent crime dropped by double-digit percentages. Now, Canada has higher rates per capita of rape, assault, home robbery, the list goes on. You are university students--you should be valuing statistics higher than emotion. Children act on emotion. Grow up.
Just a bunch of college kids without any idea of how real life works outside of books and theories. The government sold the registry to voters as a "safety measure" to prevent school shootings (after the Polytechnique incident) but guess that did nothing to stop Kimveer Gill. The ironic part is that if not for the 2 cops (armed with guns) that happened to be on site and responded IMMEDIATELY, he probably would've killed more people that day.
Registration = confiscation. Gun ban = more crime.
You brainless socialist idiots do realize that the DAWSON SHOOTING HAPPENED ENTIRELY WITH REGISTERED GUNS, right?
So how did your precious gun registry make a difference in your school's case? It didn't! Aside from having cost $2.2 billion dollars since it was implemented, it did absolutely nothing for nobody.
Not only did it save zero lives, it actually COST lives by diverting funds from actual life saving things such as more hospital beds or better social programs for the mentally ill.
Dawson College is a statistic. Guns registered, police warned that the guy was planning something insane (by his facebook friends), yet he still managed to enter a school and start shooting at people with his REGISTERED guns. Where was the life-saving registry then?
If the registry ever prevented a crime, then please be my guest and post examples. Liberals, NDP, the CACP et al. were not able to show a single case, yet you apparently seem to have some interesting data to share. LoL..
@Da2012Truth What you're suggesting is that I find a statistic which shows how many would-be killers tried or THOUGHT of trying to acquire a restricted gun but was discouraged by the registry.
@Kenevin No... find a statistic where, for example, stolen firearms were tracked down by the allmighty registry and intercepted before they were used in a crime. Or where the registry prevented an unstable individual from committing a shooting in public (didn't work too well fro Kimveer Gill, did it?).
Also, please do not confuse firearms registration and licensing. One is like a driver's license (tests & background check), the other like a license plate. LICENSING = GOOD, REGISTRY = BAD.
How does the registry discourage anyone from aquiring a gun? Seriously.
The registry does not screen, nor does have anything to do with safe storage or transportation of firearms. It's a list. An incomplete, inaccurate 2 billion dollar list that has saved nobody.
@Da2012Truth Your Dawson college evidence is proof only that gun registration has not stopped ALL gun crimes, which is a claim not made by anyone. Conversely you made a claim that it saved "zero lives", and this is a positive claim made by you. You then have the burden of proof to give evidence to prove your claim, or it is purely conjecture and opinion.
@Da2012Truth also, it diverted funds from police departments, hampering their workforce. if they would have decided to fund police instead of the registry, they could of had more police on the scene, possibly a better swat team to enter the school and dissolve the situation. I would also agree on putting armed security at large colleges and universities in Canada, this way there would have been trained professionals on the scene when it started, instead of needing to wait for police.
NO! Democracy looks like: the overwhelming majority of Canadians wanting this useless white elephant gone!
Democracy does NOT look like opposition parties whipping a vote and forcing their MPs to IGNORE the will of their constituents!
Democracy does NOT look like public sector union brass IGNORING the wishes of many of their members and applying political pressure to preserve this egregious abortion!
@GerOffYeWeeBastard Actually support for and against the registry is pretty evenly split, and the trend in 2010 polls were that support to keep the registry was rising.
@pittsky If you are referring to the Randy Kuntz poll, the Editor of Blue Line Magazine has distanced himself and the magazine from the poll saying "Randy Kuntz went on national news to support his anti firearms registry position by pointing to me and "Blue Line Magazine". His attempt to damage the magazine's neutral position is out of line along with semi-breaching the sanctity of this section of the Forum.", And Kuntz himself said he is the "first to admit the survey is not scientific."
There is going to be a block party where I live when this thing finally dies.
pittsky 6 days ago
long-gun registry
(RIH) rest in hell
you waset of time and cash
dljprogun 1 week ago
So far in the two committe meetings discussing the long gun registry, the gun grabbers have been verbally trounced by logic and empirical data.
Every single frontline police officer who has testified, has spoken out for scrapping the gun registry.
In a national poll 82% of frontline police officers said the gun registry was useless.
pittsky 3 months ago
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
sendmorebrains 4 months ago
@sendmorebrains
Don't forget: They also specifically targeted their laws towards Jews, Gypsies, other so-called "undesirables", political dissidents and civilians in occupied zones.
UCSPanther20 2 months ago
flowers for a piece of legislation? seriously?
guns are NOT the problem, it's the people who use guns for criminal activities that are the problem. once you crack down on the criminals with more police and giving Canadians proper self defense rights, the crime rate will become near zero. you also need a government willing to push through with regulation against crime, not the tools.
flamedrag18 5 months ago
i love harper, and cant wait for the useless gun registry to be gone and move on, registry is useless, i store some of my guns at a friends place LOL and i dont give a fack
CryptWarrior69 5 months ago 3
As a true believer in Democracy, I respect your right to free speech, and I support that, if not what you say, I'm going to disagree with you that the Long Gun Registry is useful, but I'm not going to hate you for what you say, instead I'm going to respect you for going out to Ottawa and standing up for what you belive in, THAT my friends, is true Democracy.
HannibalLectorful 5 months ago
You stupid, stupid people. Your socialist world view is loosing steam. Gun control is becoming less and less popular nowadays, in the US, and even in Canada. It's not the 1990's anymore, your emotion based, fact lacking rhetoric fools only those who don't wish to listen to the truth, people like yourselves. The ball is rolling in the direction of liberty now, so grow the fuck up and stop hating the freedom that people gave their lives for us to have.
neebs1992 5 months ago 3
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neebs1992 5 months ago
Fact: The two worst spree killings in recent human history occurred in countries with extremely strict gun control laws:
The Utoya, Norway shooting as of this year and the Uiryeong, South Korea rampage as of 1982.
Now tell me if strict gun control works...
I'll wager it doesn't.
UCSPanther20 5 months ago 3
Firearms ownership is the most important liberty a citizen should have, and you hippies have to undermine it with your crooked self serving tactics...
WaffenMitUns 5 months ago 6
Gun control doesn't stop madmen from killing people as 9/11 and shootings in the U.K. clearly illustrate. But on the horrible shooting day at Dawson College it was a man with a gun that stopped Kimveer Gill. Too bad the people at Ecole Polytechnique didn't have an armed citizen to save them.
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jtbca 5 months ago
How does laying a piece of paper beside a gun stop it's misuse by a mad man? The gun used at Dawson was registered. What did the registry do to help?
These 30 or so protesters really need to educate themselves.
Obama's hometown of Chicago has a handgun ban, yet still has higher handgun crime than New Hampshire, where you can legally walk around with a handgun? How is this possible if stricter gun laws work?
pittsky 5 months ago 4
Do these poor, misguided, well-meaning, but painfully clueless people not realize that the Dawson shootings are painfully clear, blinding evidence that the registry does nothing to protect people? All it did at Dawson was tell police that the guns found next to Gills corpse were registered; it did nothoing to stop Gill, protect his victims, or comfort the bereaved...
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nice to see 40-50?, fortunately, 2+million legal Canadian firearm Owners will stand up to you!
bushy240 5 months ago 2
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nice to see 40-50?, fortunately, 2+million legal Canadian firearm Owners will stand up to you!
bushy240 5 months ago
nice to see 40-50?, fortunately, 2+million legal Canadian firearm Owners will stand up to you!
bushy240 5 months ago 5
Your imposition of restrictions and outright hatred and bigotry for responsible and reasonable Canadians is sickening. You won't be appeased until it's ALL YOUR WAY.
History says your arrogance will be your defeat. Drop the doob and join reality.
CGNNightmare 5 months ago 10
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student unions, a group made up of a bunch of political science majors who are in such a useless program that they can sit around all day sniffing a** rather than having to study. Just a mob of people blindly following their leaders opinion whilst too stupid to actually form their own on facts rather than sentimental bs. Registry doesn't work, thats a fact, nomatter how many times some a**hat plays the emotional card. Guess it's easier to blame guns than it is people.
Stray03 5 months ago
student unions, a group made up of a bunch of political science majors who are in such a useless program that they can sit around all day sniffing ass rather than having to study. Just a mob of people blindly following their leaders opinion whilst too stupid to actually form their own on facts rather than sentimental bs. Registry doesn't work, thats a fact, nomatter how many times some asshat plays the emotional card. Guess it's easier to blame guns than it is people.
Stray03 5 months ago 2
I am a victim of gun violence.
My lawfully acquired, owned, and stored property was taken from my at gun point by people who it didn't belong to.
The men with the guns were the police.
The reason my belongings were taken was because of the gun registry.
End gun violence. Abolish the registry.
MyOwnYTAccount 5 months ago 7
You people are terribly naive; all the tens of you that took part.
The gun registry drove a wedge in Canadian society; it is the result of divisive politics. Now, some people are less equal before the law. It's about time this lame duck Liberal -Cukier love child was put down.
As for listening to "reasonable politics", how typical of the arrogant political left where anyone who disagrees is a heretic. Good riddance to the registry!
Feldgrau100 5 months ago 7
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"This is what democracy looks like"?????
I don't think so----more like "This is how liberty dies."
MisterBorg9 5 months ago 4
"This is what democracy looks like"?????
I don't think so----more like "This is how liberty dies."
MisterBorg9 5 months ago 4
"and make Canada a beacon for fairness, for justice."
You could start by by getting rid of the draconian laws for gun ownership this country has, where, because of a hobby/sustinence/self defence people are treated like second class citizens. As for the justice, you could start by strengthening self defence laws and quit punishing the victims and letting the criminals go. Where is Lawrence Manzer's justice? Where is Ian Thomson's justice?
52TulaSKS 5 months ago 9
"who want to save the registry and lives"
Well, unfortunately the registry and saving lives don't go hand in hand. Just look at the shooting at your very school. All the guns were registered, and that didn't save anyone's lives.
52TulaSKS 5 months ago 5
"Let's stop this politics of division." Yes, let's. But may I remind that the Liberals introduced all this. You want to stop politics of division? You give a little you get a little.
"Let's stop the right's politics. Let's listen to those who are reasonable"
Stop the right's politics and listen to those who are reasonable? So basically, everyone who disagrees with your views is unreasonable? And you want to stop divisive politics eh?
52TulaSKS 5 months ago 8
"Tomorrow we strengthen gun control and continue to unite this country."
We have been strengthing gun control laws since 1995, and look where it's gotten us. No lives saved, no increase in public safety (only an increase in CRIMINAL safety).
52TulaSKS 5 months ago 3
"Tonight we save the gun registry."
Come September 19th or 20th, the fate of the registry will be decided in parliament. With a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Conservative majority government, it will be scrapped. There will be no saving it.
52TulaSKS 5 months ago 5
A LGR proponent claims that the gun registry saves lives elsewhere. Where? South Africa, where a certain anti-self-defence person assisted SA in the purchase of the same software that did not work in Canada? I'm in contact with a SA police chief--medium sized city--who has to deal with a police officer shot in the face by a .44 and women under threat denied self-defence firearms licences--one of whom was raped and murdered two days after her licence was denied. So I have an emotional base, too.
v65magnafan1 5 months ago 5
The gun registry is the politics of division. It was created to divide canadians. It is neither fair nor just.
As Edmmund Burke once said, "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny". The Firearms act is bad law. It fails the tests of consitutionality, effectiveness and consent of the governed.
The gun registry has not saved a single life. Only the those with a vested financial interest in its survivel, or the ignorant, can claim any different. It's abolition is long overdue.
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(1) Democracy looks like the recently-elected CPC majority, which has vowed to scrap the useless Registry.
(2) The Registry is much like those Q-Ray bracelets: only its proponents think it actually achieves something.
(3) The Registry is built/perpetuated not on the memories of those who died violently, but by the force of false 'statistics' (just how many times a day do supporters claim the Registry is now checked - 50,000 ? ) and those who created their public careers/reputations on it.
wallstuff4 5 months ago
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(1) Democracy looks like the recently-elected CPC majority, which has vowed to scrap the useless Registry.
(2) The Registry is much like those Q-Ray bracelets: only its proponents think it actually achieves something.
(3) The Registry is built/perpetuated not on the memories of those who died violently, but by the force of false 'statistics' (just how many times a day do supporters claim the Registry is now checked - 50,000 ? ) and those who created their public careers/reputations on it.
wallstuff4 5 months ago
(1) Democracy looks like the recently-elected CPC majority, which has vowed t oscrap the useless Registry.
(2) The Registry is much like those Q-Ray bracelets: only its proponents think it actually achieves something.
(3) The Registry is built/perpetuated not on the memories of those who died violently, but by the force of false 'statistics' (just how many times a day do supporters claim the Registry is now checked - 50,000 ? ) and those who created their public careers/reputations on it.
wallstuff4 5 months ago 6
I can't believe how brain washed some young people from my generation are! Where do you people get this kind of a socialist push from? You'd think you grew up in the People's Republic of China, or in North Korea. You talk about freedom and democracy but what you really mean is prohibition and restrictions on said freedom. Get a life and do something useful with it. Stop smoking dope and protesting everything! Guns don't kill people: lunatics kill people and the bunch of you are just that:Loons!
declanmcroy 5 months ago 5
Disarm people??? Allow women to carry handguns and see what happens to rape and assualt stats...Look at our southern cousins, places that allow people to carry have low personal crime rate, look at the places that ban guns, chicago...high crime...LA...high crime....DC...high crime...an armed society is a polite society....
matty86suk 5 months ago 2
Money spent on women shelters and police training would save more lives than the LGR, The LGR is a waist and only criminalizes law abiding sportsman and target shooters...give your head a shake
matty86suk 5 months ago 2
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while all you fine folks are certainly entitled to your opinions, you debase yourself and your argumentation when you resort to name-calling and attacks.
it is possible to entertain a civilised discussion about how we can strike a balance between public safety and civil liberties.
as victims of gun violence, is is normal that our empathy leads us to want to keep the registry alive. it may not have worked at dawson, but it has and would continue to save lives elsewhere.
MyDSU108 5 months ago
@MyDSU108
Why don't you concentrate on criminals, not anonymous objects? When somebody killed by a knife, shall we create "Long Knifes Registry"? How about rapes and "Long Penis Registry" - that would help tremendously, right?
Elenapre 5 months ago 6
@MyDSU108 The gun registry protects no one, it simple waste money and criminalizes law abiding citizens. The 2.2 billion dollars wasted could have been used on education and social programming. This would have gone farther than a registration program. The registration has failed and the majority of Canadians voted and wishes to see it go. These students would have done better to make a difference and statement by volunteering at a local inner-city youth programming.
primaryweaponsystem 5 months ago 6
@MyDSU108 Please give us one name, just ONE, of a person whose life was saved by the LGR. It can't (by its very nature) since it is an inanimate object, like guns are.
52TulaSKS 5 months ago 3
@MyDSU108 While I can understand one responding to their emotions, I want Canadian law to be based on facts. Controlling an object because of an action of a human is completely illogical and is doomed to fail - which it did. It didn't stop Dawson, because it couldn't stop Dawson, nor can it prevent any other shooting. There's a very slim chance that it could have some value to police. However that value doesn't justify it's costs or it's risk to freedom. You want to save lives? Lock up crooks.
tiomat14 5 months ago 3
@MyDSU108 Typical...lies, half-truths and non-facts being used to support the LGR. The assumption that registering the firearms of law abiding citizens will somehow prevent criminal use of them would be laughable, if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
Historically speaking, registration leads to confiscation, so I will be quite happy when the LGR is turfed :)
maritimeCGN 5 months ago 3
@MyDSU108 It is IMPOSSIBLE to entertain a civilized discussion with ideologues who are incapable of coming to grips with simple facts. Your refusal to grasp that the shooting at Dawson illustrates the uselessness of the firearms registry, or the simple truth that if even a handful of the Polytechnique victims had been armed for their own protection, more of them would still be alive, tells us that your version of "civilized discussion" merely entails you forcing your opinions on the rest of us.
GerOffYeWeeBastard 5 months ago 3
@MyDSU108 as of yet, the registry has not saved a single life or even been used to prevent a crime. People bent on committing crime, will commit crime - they will not register there guns, they will use other methods of violance if guns aren't there. Dawson may have been better served with if Canada allowed CCW instead of having a LRG.
MrLcard1 5 months ago 2
@MyDSU108
Do you not realize that your video and "march" are an insult to all gun owners?
The gun registry has ZERO to do with "Public Safety". You have been LIED to and taken it hook line and sinker. You were not victims of "gun violence" some of you were victims of a MADMAN. Full stop. The gun registry has not worked AT ALL. Ther is not a single solitary example. If you think that there is in the interest of civilized debate......by all means bring it forth.
EESASTORM 5 months ago 5
@MyDSU108 Sorry, but I thought the "discussion was over" in 1995?
norcofreerider604 5 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Yes that famous quote by Anne "get your guns" Mclellan..
Well I guess we know she was dead wrong.
She was wrong when she said the registry would work.
She was wrong when she said we were nuts for saying it would cost 2 billion.
So now you know not to trust a single thing she says or said.
EESASTORM 5 months ago 4
@MyDSU108
The gun registry will not stop any future "Herostratuses" from making a name for themselves in infamy (Look up the story about the Temple of Artemis to see what I mean), it is a waste of money, and does nothing.
And I don't just want the long gun registry to go, I want the restricted firearms category gone, as well as the prohibited category...
UCSPanther20 5 months ago 2
@MyDSU108 Ah yes, because people of your stripe are totally above name calling. I seem to remember being called a murderer waiting to happen, racist and a psychopath just because I like firearms. You'd have nothing to do with that, right? Piss off, you and all your friends in the grave dancing, fear mongering, victim industry can't even pretend to take a position on any morally super pedestals any longer. It won't be tolerated. Nice try, though.
neebs1992 1 month ago
The registry has always been filth, and I'm glad it is on it's way out.
Boudreau888 5 months ago 3
Yo dis video fukin strait up wack. Wut da fuck all my little niggas in tha hood supposd ta use fo protection??? Tha police be leavin us to die cuz they neva show up when u call dem. Yall crackas ain't eva been to tha hood so shut tha fuck up
DirtDog95 5 months ago 3
Such a waste of time money and resources. It is shameful that in this day in age the young have such a disconnect with BASIC LOGIC!
The registry did NOTHING to prevent the shooting at Dawson and the ONLY thing that stopped it was.................and the irony here is palpable. ANOTHER PERSON TRAINED TO USE A GUN!
Get it!!
A madman with a gun Started the Shooting
A saneman with a gun STOPPED the shooting.
See the trend there? The gun did not matter it was ALL the menta state.
EESASTORM 5 months ago 5
Guns were registered and handguns confiscated in The United Kingdom. The result? The UK is now the most violent country per capita in Europe, according to UN stats. In every U.S. state that introduced concealed carry for the law abiding, violent crime dropped by double-digit percentages. Now, Canada has higher rates per capita of rape, assault, home robbery, the list goes on. You are university students--you should be valuing statistics higher than emotion. Children act on emotion. Grow up.
v65magnafan1 5 months ago 5
Just a bunch of college kids without any idea of how real life works outside of books and theories. The government sold the registry to voters as a "safety measure" to prevent school shootings (after the Polytechnique incident) but guess that did nothing to stop Kimveer Gill. The ironic part is that if not for the 2 cops (armed with guns) that happened to be on site and responded IMMEDIATELY, he probably would've killed more people that day.
Registration = confiscation. Gun ban = more crime.
Bonjour43ma 5 months ago 6
You brainless socialist idiots do realize that the DAWSON SHOOTING HAPPENED ENTIRELY WITH REGISTERED GUNS, right?
So how did your precious gun registry make a difference in your school's case? It didn't! Aside from having cost $2.2 billion dollars since it was implemented, it did absolutely nothing for nobody.
Not only did it save zero lives, it actually COST lives by diverting funds from actual life saving things such as more hospital beds or better social programs for the mentally ill.
Da2012Truth 5 months ago 40
@Da2012Truth How do you know it has saved no lives? Where are the correlating statitics? Ever heard of prevention?
Kenevin 5 months ago
@Kenevin
Dawson College is a statistic. Guns registered, police warned that the guy was planning something insane (by his facebook friends), yet he still managed to enter a school and start shooting at people with his REGISTERED guns. Where was the life-saving registry then?
If the registry ever prevented a crime, then please be my guest and post examples. Liberals, NDP, the CACP et al. were not able to show a single case, yet you apparently seem to have some interesting data to share. LoL..
Da2012Truth 5 months ago
@Da2012Truth What you're suggesting is that I find a statistic which shows how many would-be killers tried or THOUGHT of trying to acquire a restricted gun but was discouraged by the registry.
Kenevin 5 months ago
@Kenevin No... find a statistic where, for example, stolen firearms were tracked down by the allmighty registry and intercepted before they were used in a crime. Or where the registry prevented an unstable individual from committing a shooting in public (didn't work too well fro Kimveer Gill, did it?).
Also, please do not confuse firearms registration and licensing. One is like a driver's license (tests & background check), the other like a license plate. LICENSING = GOOD, REGISTRY = BAD.
Da2012Truth 5 months ago
@Kenevin
How does the registry discourage anyone from aquiring a gun? Seriously.
The registry does not screen, nor does have anything to do with safe storage or transportation of firearms. It's a list. An incomplete, inaccurate 2 billion dollar list that has saved nobody.
pittsky 5 months ago 2
@Da2012Truth Your Dawson college evidence is proof only that gun registration has not stopped ALL gun crimes, which is a claim not made by anyone. Conversely you made a claim that it saved "zero lives", and this is a positive claim made by you. You then have the burden of proof to give evidence to prove your claim, or it is purely conjecture and opinion.
quedorf 3 months ago
@Da2012Truth also, it diverted funds from police departments, hampering their workforce. if they would have decided to fund police instead of the registry, they could of had more police on the scene, possibly a better swat team to enter the school and dissolve the situation. I would also agree on putting armed security at large colleges and universities in Canada, this way there would have been trained professionals on the scene when it started, instead of needing to wait for police.
flamedrag18 5 months ago
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Da2012Truth 5 months ago 2
This protest was held after Dawson college shooting took place,
The Shooting took place after the registry was implemented,
That to me is proof this waste of money program did not prevent anything from happening.
ipscbrit 5 months ago 10
"This is what democracy looks like"?!?
NO! Democracy looks like: the overwhelming majority of Canadians wanting this useless white elephant gone!
Democracy does NOT look like opposition parties whipping a vote and forcing their MPs to IGNORE the will of their constituents!
Democracy does NOT look like public sector union brass IGNORING the wishes of many of their members and applying political pressure to preserve this egregious abortion!
You little twits have a great deal to learn...
GerOffYeWeeBastard 5 months ago 30
@GerOffYeWeeBastard Actually support for and against the registry is pretty evenly split, and the trend in 2010 polls were that support to keep the registry was rising.
quedorf 3 months ago
@quedorf
Every poll of frontline police officers is AGAINST the gun registry.
Edmonton police Service: 81% against
Sask police officers: 98% against
BlueLine Magazine national poll: 82 % against
pittsky 3 months ago
@pittsky If you are referring to the Randy Kuntz poll, the Editor of Blue Line Magazine has distanced himself and the magazine from the poll saying "Randy Kuntz went on national news to support his anti firearms registry position by pointing to me and "Blue Line Magazine". His attempt to damage the magazine's neutral position is out of line along with semi-breaching the sanctity of this section of the Forum.", And Kuntz himself said he is the "first to admit the survey is not scientific."
quedorf 3 months ago