2006 New Castle Airshow - F-22 Raptor

[bujoun76]

Wow! These old Raptor shows seem so low key by current standards.

[54spiritedwill54]

1 f-117 taking out targets with almost total impunity in the late 80s fulda gap scenario is cheap compared to a possible loss of 5 to 10 other aircraft to get the same result

[TheStringyness]

such a beautiful plane to see fly

[apnixon]

Very nice camera work !

[bujoun76]

The reason for the lower numbers of F-22's is due to their extreme cost of around $100,000,000 bucks each. Also the U.S., at this point, will be the only country using the Raptor while the Typhoon will be sold all over Europe and other places.

[MightyF22]

While money is somewhat a factor, it was the projected kill ration of 10:1 against any current russian fighter. I guess the felt 183 was a sufficient number. Not to mention UCAVS will be hear in the near future.....

[SC1337]

@bujoun76 the us defense department doesn't allow the F-22 to be sold to any other country just the F-35.

[bujoun76]

Im well aware of the F-22 not being sold to other countries! I said that 2 years ago! However, things can and do change.

[SC1337]

@bujoun76 don't think so

[DOGPILE26]

erm newcastle airshow??? its at seaburn! thats sunderland, not newcastle!

[airshowfansh]

This is New Castle, Delaware... but technically the show site is in Wilmington.

[darkskyak1]

ATF (ADVANCED TACTICAL FIGHTER) wich was soon to be what you see before you the F/A-22 but before the f-22 was built many concept drawings were put out by the competing companies the su-47 is an exact copy of the drawing put forward by gruman so if they do produce it we can handle it

[darkskyak1]

hackfreak the terminator has been terminated so has the su-47 wich was a copy of a gruman drawing for the US ATF look in wikipedia and the f-15 active has battled the raptor many times in mock engagements and lost everytime

[Mig29tvc]

You mean T-50. But it doesnt exist, we dont know if they will kopy this design. SU-30 have the best jet designe ive ever seen.

[hackfreak]

i think that the only real competition in tearms of technology/quality for the raptor today are the following planes:

SU-37 Terminator, S-47 Berkut, F-15 ACTIVE

[Oso1G]

F22 Raptor. It is so good, Russia had to copy it with Su 50. =)

[Hoshimaru57]

I just came back from a show in RI and the F-22 flew ver the parking lot as we were arriving, I'm thinking that I might post a short little clip of it if I can find it.

[darkskyak1]

the reason it isnt acrobatic like the -37 is bcuz it wasent built to b like the 37 it was built to like u sad take out its enemies with out being spotted and if it had to go 1 0n 1 in a dogfight overpower its enemy with its massive thrust to weight ratio

[tomorleans]

This is bar far the most superior war plane that money can buy. It isn't the most arobatic like the37, but stealth technology doesn't lend its self to good flying design. This plane will shoot down any other plane in the sky before they knew it was there. There is a reason Russia is pursing building a fighter jet like the Raptor. ie, stealth technology, big bad ass radar.. Cause they know what's up.

[pointsur]

i couldn't have said it better!

[narfy]

Thanks for sharing this clip. Amazing flying and good camera work.

[silentseeker79]

I am not impressed by this air plane at all.

[eekum]

Well an american company made "Halo"... that's an accomplishment in my book *_*

[secorio]

background music SUUUUUUCKS

[cyote31]

BTW ... just FYI ... i'm not from USA.

[DinoPal]

I don't care were u from, what ever u say champ

[cyote31]

Thanks! I win!

[cyote31]

DinoPal ... I don't know if that is sarcasm ... but i got nuttin against the Russian SU-37, great planes, cutting edge ... but the tech on the f-22 is about 10 yrs ahead of it - in real battle cond. the SU would be toast.

[Plisken1986]

It was sarcasm.

I agree. The F-22 is its own AWACS. IT knows every plane, at any altitude, at any given time in a battle.

[cyote31]

The Raptor would knock an SU-37 out of the sky before the thing even knew the F-22 was in the area ... end of story.

[DinoPal]

Lol, Good argument cyote31, very good argument, everybody shut up, he knows something we don't.

[Plisken1986]

What also gives the F-22 an advantage is that it can fly higher and faster than any other fighter. While its top end isn't as good, it can travel at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners, as you may know.

[DinoPal]

Wrong again, mig 31 Foxbat still hold the record by reaching space edge, and russia is the one who pioneer the awacs, the Tupolev OKB was the first among the nation's aircraft design bureaus to create an eye in the sky', evolving the Tu-126 AEW aircraft from the Tu-114 wich u brutaly copy from. Su-37 got that originnaly

[Plisken1986]

But MiG 31 isn't stealth, F-22 will be harder to detect.

[DinoPal]

Agree, but on long distance they will be using satellite for detection.

[FreakOfDaVideo]

Reaching space isn't going to save the Mig from surface to air or air to air missles, unless it goes into space. Russia's got nothing on the F-22!

[DinoPal]

I wonder why my video link was erased? Guess truth is hurt

[kyahdhin]

US aviation has always been superior to Russian. SR 71 blackbird... U2? Ever hear of those? How bout Aurora?. F22 is a bad ass beast of the air and would undoubtably wipe the migs from the air. Even if the migs or pigs as I call them get intel on a raptor. The raptor will hit the mig before it ever gets in firing range. BAM!!!

[DinoPal]

U sound like 9 yo

[DaNo07HK]

You wish!!

[argent2020]

After watching rusian's fighters (piloted it by Rusian pilots) nothing impress me, not even this one. However, I wish one or the other would com up with a jet fighter able to fly even outside the atmosphere, like in Galactica.

[Plisken1986]

The F-22 is expected to match the manuverability of other planes, but it has not been demonstrated to its full potential.

[dungun65]

All US plane coward. Never face-face with enemy. Just touch-n-go and destroy all the humuan. COWARD

[goldeneye215]

check the video named "best of sukhoi" here in youtube. Soviet tech of the 70s is by far better than expensive and problematic planes like f22 and f35. the goverment should do something

[rangeroverlover]

please, i would like to know wich one of the eurofighter typhoon or the f-22 is the better aircraft.

thank you.

[Gripen90]

Heck the F-22 will even have difficulties with the Eurofighter Typhoon in combat eventhough it hasn't TVC but it's compensatet a lot by a never canard technology that allows a higher AOA and even still gaining control. Also the Typhoon is soon cleared for 12g envelope due to new g-suits for the pilots.

[wilar9wolf]

ya rigth , su 37 own the skay yankie

[max14jackass]

guys f-22 raptor has maximum speed 2.42 mach su-47 2.1 mach.haha russian aircrafts suck.slow maneuverability that su-37 and su-47 have,doesnt really matter in air combats

[Gripen90]

Back to aeronautical school with you ! aerial ACM is done in the transonic envelope often between 800 to 1100km/t just below mach 1. The SU-37 has 3-dimensional TVC, the F-22 2D. In a dogfight the Su37 would likely be the winner.

[AgentT062]

It's funny as hell to see you jackasses come on here and diss this jet like you know everything about it and your brothers with the designer. Some of the stuff you people say if WAY out there. Get a clue.

[base80balla]

its funny, cause the Delaware air shows suck, the video fails to show when the F-22 came into the formation with the P-51 and A-10, if you saw that you'd know this plane is going to be around for a long time

[russiaviation]

This aircraft is overcharged, and overrated!

[elavioncito]

Boring, this pilot may have suffering a "frozen stick" problem. And I'm not russian.

[bjornbeep]

If you wanne see some cool maneorvers search for "insane rc helicopter stunts", this guy is cathing a living frog with his helicopter, try that if you can!!!

[basma4]

NO maneuverablity, you better watch SU-37!

[Plisken1986]

The Su-37 slow speed maneouvers would be pointless in true air combat. If the F-22 were targeting an Su-37 doing it's slow speed cobra the Sukhoi would be a sitting duck.

[CHEproductions]

bingo...my point exactly...slow manuevers r cool, but not when your the pilot getin your ass shot at. USAF!

[DinoPal]

Plisken1986 your statement show your stupidity, the hole point of cobra and culbit and other is to get f-22 in front (on tale) and to shoot him as fly. Simply slam on breakes and let your opponent in front

[Plisken1986]

But in a real battle that would lose the plane all of its speed and energy and would make it an easy target for another plane.

[DinoPal]

My dear friend, that is the idea, su-37 will gain speed in 5sec, enough to catch up the pray and lock him or them from behind, we talking one vs one, unless u think it would be one su-37 vs 10 f-22. And what stopping them to demonstrait full potential? Maybe couse not to many?

[Plisken1986]

In real life, a 1 vs. 1 battle is highly unlikely. Maybe in a demonstration, but not to kill. I'm sure America or Russia wouldn't send only one plane into enemy territory.

[cyote31]

you'd be surprised how fast 2v2 and 4v4 disinigrate into 1on1 ... that said, everything happends over the horizon now for the Americans anyway.

[metalfan182]

dude it dosn't get good manuvarability till about mach 1! then it dominates! It's the most manuvarable in the world thanks to its wonerful directionaly nozzles!

[iamanan2001]

I almost fell a sleep....

[RheinmetallMk108]

Boring,this maneuvers

[matermom]

the f-22 can kick ass every single day of the week!

[exsepp]

Silly Canucks... Sigh

[halo138]

F-22 = best fighter aircraft in the sky.

[exsepp]

anti- western air power gurus who don't know shit about air coimbat always point to su-30++++s as raptor killers.... sigh then why is the fuck has the PAK FA and J-XX concept mockups and drawings all looked very similiar to the f22? jeez that must mean something hmmmmmmmmm

[crazygunner21]

I agree with Skunky I live near Dobbins and have witnessed some amazing stuff.

[ScholasticDeth]

there were only two su37's ever made

one crashed *BIG SUPRISE*

the other was turned back to a su35

the su37 can be made for sale but no one is intrested.

[4Skunky]

Correct on the quantity (2). I was inadvertantly including any and all SU-35s used in Sukhoi's mirky and convoluted development/prototyping process (converteing one model to another, reassigning identities, etc.). It would be very difficult for a couple of prototypes to do anything to fielded and operational Raptors, so to say anything about the SU-37s combat capabilities calls for a great deal of speculation.

[Superstarent]

F 22 don't need the Kulbit it is useless in an dogfight conflict. I do like the su37 but it can not fuck with the F22 YOu can't kill what you can't see lol

[rdstin]

You are correct sir. AND the Raptor remains in controlled flight as opposed to impressive but useless tumbling.

[Superstarent]

A man keep in mind all that Kulbit and cobra shit is doing combat it is useless. that is fo show F 22 is the most advance plane in the {WORLD) Nothing can't fuck wit it I do like that su37 but it can not mess wit that F22

[ionwalker]

It is kinda crappy, not the airplane i mean the governement is so gadget-happy.

can u beleive they get the f-117 stealth for 187 million a pop and it dosen't even go past 700 knots and can only employ "smart weapons". and smart weapons cost up to 1 million a unit! the russians,chinese, isrealis still have over 200k tanks, USAF only has about like 100k smart weapons such as the maverick and walleye.

AND IT DOSEN'T HAVE A GUN EITHER. (to take out tanks)

[exsepp]

your not an aircraft engineer for the skunk works are you? then shut up

[ionwalker]

no, i am not an engineer for Lockheed skunk works.

So apparently you disagree, then perhaps add some information that proves i'm wrong?

disagreeing with my opinion is fine but telling me to shut it without any sort of fact to back it up is um- how do you say- retarded?

read the constitution! heck i'm not currently an American and i know it.

[exsepp]

and dont talk to me about my rights which you do not share

[ionwalker]

by the way, just in case if theres a misunderstanding, i'm talking about the f117 not the f22

[exsepp]

lemme explain why your not understanding the problem... the outcome of the 1973 yom kippor war illustrated to US defense planners the effectiveness of russian surface to air defense technology.. the answer was an aircraft with an extremely low rcs to penetrate the airspace and knock out coc and radar instillations.. the development of this technology costed millions in the late 70s early 80s

[exsepp]

the aircraft was designed as a "silver bullet" to use against high value targets at any cost... taking out paltry tanks was the job for f-16/a-10s/ apaches not highly specialized experiemntal technology like the f-117 adding a gun is pointless and expensive now shut up

[exsepp]

also in regards to cost to techniques used to SAVE as much money as possible on this program you will find that the f-117 uses GE 404 turbofans used by the f/a-18, a fly by wire control system pioneered by the f-16, and parts of a fully existing avionics package developed for the f/a-18 as well as some of the cockpit controls... no once again shut up

[ionwalker]

ok so using developed and proven technology saved a couple of million but it doesn't make an engine or fly-by-wire system free does it?

[exsepp]

1 f-117 taking out targets with almost total impunity in the late 80s fulda gap scenario is cheap compared to a possible loss of 5 to 10 other aircraft to get the same result

[ionwalker]

also, you suggest to use stealth aircraft to take out enemy radars installations, then bring in the tank-busters. However, the enemy can have hundreds or up to thousands of fixed or mobile radars, how do you expect a f117 armed with ONLY laser/GPS guided weapons be able to take them all out? not to mention a smart bomb costs more than the Us can afford to by in sufficient quantities.

[exsepp]

well with wild weasal suppression and coc attacks on a strategic assault type of air campaign shown in persian gulf 1 worked pretty well didnt it and we can buy them in sufficient quanities to disable there defensive network and we dont ONLY use smart weapons we generally try to hit the most valuable targets with them but they are getting cheaper.... check small diameter bomb

[exsepp]

and on top of that where do you get this 200k number??? isreal has 3500 more or less russia may have tens of thousands but most of which would be t-54/55/60/62/64/72s china may have formidiable amounts but not in the 100k range and you find that dumb bombs kill tanks just as well as smart ones  damn canucks sigh

[ionwalker]

you didn't get it did you?

f117 can ONLY employ smart weapons.

smart weapons are expensive. we're not just talking about how much the Air Force SPENDS to acquire the bombs but also how much they HAVE SPENT.

also, you suggest an non-stealth aircraft cannot survive unless enemy radar and sams are taken out.

the thing is, they cant all be!

[exsepp]

you dont get it!!! thats why the f-117 was made and part of the design parameters were dictated for the aircarft because of stealth infancy therefore smart weapons had to be employed and yes they can it would just take longer

[ionwalker]

how can they be? there are so many and so few smart bombs. also, "just take longer" isn't good in a combat situation. thing happen in seconds now, get real!

you need to explain further your ideas or no one will care about your opinions.

ps i am aware that it only uses smart weapons because dumb bombs will compromise the advantages stealth.

[exsepp]

wrong an f-117 is rated for dumb bombs and dude america has plenty of smart munitions not just jdam but also left over 1st gen lgm from vietnam mavericks you name it we have thousands

[ionwalker]

yup you guys have about around 100k mavs compatible with the f117 without modifications and around the same number of LGBs.( i dont know how many JDAMS)BUT F-117 cannot use dumb bombs without several avionics modifications.

[ionwalker]

USaf will not allow air-to-mud in the f117 with dumbbombs, even if they could be made to employ "D-bombs:".

[ionwalker]

Stealth doesn't make your aircraft invisible. only lowers RCS to reduce detection. but when you're going low altitude, high-threat and AG with an aircraft with low speed, and low C-mesures and with all those radars probing you, you WILL be detected on radar and visually. SO you might want to do the attack at night. well sorry pal, but f117 doesn't have all weather attack capability with D-bombs.

[exsepp]

Hey dude  The f-117 attacks at night and at altitude and I'm not gonna argue with you anymore I think I've proved my point enough

[ionwalker]

ok, nice match.

[exsepp]

you as well.

[celticlofts]

That plane flies like an airbus lol.. it better have good weapons because the SU 37 would be all over that thing..

[rdstin]

Yes, It has good weapons. Beware of Raptors with their doors open. It is unlikely a 37 would detect the Raptor in time to do anthing about it.

[AndraxxusNephilem]

thanks to mention bay doors. when they are open you get noticed: russian missiles are faster and more likely to reach F-22 before Su gets killed.

Plus more facts about stealth: When your radar active you get noticed as R-77 can track down radar signals to its source. Multiple radars from different angles you get noticed, likely scenario in the battlefield. should say, F-22 is better in BVR Su-30/35 is better in CAC, but neither is god in the air.

[4Skunky]

How many SU-37s do you think have been built? Our friends at Jane's say only about a dozen. The Raptor's full capababilities aren't being displayed at this, or any other airshow. Sit out Dobbins AFB and watch the pilots on the flightline perform stunts that no MIG or Sukhoi can duplicate.

[DeathscytheHell1]

The Reason the F-22's true capabilities aren't being demonstrated is because the air show organizers are coming up with a demonstration for the Raptor. In fact, the pilot, Lt. Col. Michael "Dozer" Shower, is working with them to come up with a full demonstration. According to the magazines I read, Air Show monthly and Combat Aircraft, the Raptor Should have a full demonstration ready for the air show by next year in 2008. Elmendorf AFB up in Alaska just received an Orange colored F-22 Raptor.

[AndraxxusNephilem]

actually only one Su-37 built; officially Su-35/37. prototype 711 has gone beyond the standard testing of other 11 Su-35. Su-37 is a 10 year old long dead prototype. Todays Su-35 incorporate all of the 37s systems, plus the added knowledge from other prototypes. about how many built: Russian military is upgrading all its Flankers to Su-35 level plus building around 15 in a year... Lets say half a throusand in 10 years if they do not abandon their plans for the PAK-FA.

[xxxjet]

The raptor uses 2D thrust vector nozzle

[chloroxjello]

We put that much money into that thing and it can't even do Kulbit? What happened to 3-D thrust vectoring?

[JKFrazier]

What are you talking about? This isn't a full airshow display. It doesn't need 3D vectoring as it can hit 30deg/sec yaw rate without it.

As for the Kulbit let's just say that according to pilots the Raptor can do every move the TVC Flankers can do.

[AndraxxusNephilem]

Then the pilots lied :) F-22 still need to worry about spins. 3D TVC allows flankers to enter and exit spins any time they like.

[drocket77]

I was actually at this show. Just check my vids of the Mig23, to this guys, and the are of the same takeoff. But anyway, This F22 was not actually scheduled to appear at the show, either was the B-2 or the B-17. They were doing a show in DC aty the same time, so they came to Delaware. All in all the show was good, Just wish the FFa would let the break the sound barier.