This is how it should be, instead of modern day practitioners especially young ones worrying about when will they get a black belt to impress others, this video is a breath of fresh air, for those who don,t have a black belt, master what you know already inside and out and the knowledge of a black belt and the day you attain it will come
I think this video is Brilliant proper old school training.
Go Ju Ryu seems but cut down in the UK compared to what they are still doing in Japan punching buckets of gravel and doing handstands up and down the dojo.
Though I would like to no what IOGKF dojo the person who trains in as I have trained in seven different iogkf dojos over the time even if just couple days or seminar all have down hojo undo even if just a small amount.
I also have. a friend go and try out dojo in Norwich and said
@lordhriley Yes the tournament karate kata appears very different than the kata shown here. But most of the traditional Goju ryu dojo teach a very smooth version. Check out Chinen Sensei's Kata Part 3 of 3 in my list. He does Kururunfa full speed. I think u will enjoy.
Down load the pdf file in the description area to learn more about the video's history.
@fullmetal610 You may want to download the information packet (pdf) listed in the description of the clip. Miyagi Chojun is in the video as well as some of his most senior students prior to WWII. What style of Goju ryu do you practice??
@fullmetal610 No Offense. Are you telling me that you are an IOGKF dojo and you do not perform hojo undo?? I believe all, or many of the Okinawan Goju Ryu associations in the world do some type of hojo undo. What type of Goju do you study?
@kenfo0 So u r calling Miyagi Sensei "absurd"? You should read the info describing the video above where it states:
"Some writers about this video believe that Miyagi Sensei himself is training with the 'tan', if so then it is the only video of Miyagi Sensei ever taken."
@NewEnglandBudo he would not say that rolling a barbell down one's back is a necessary component of learning the art, so I am calling YOU absurd for pretending (2x now) that it is.
@kenfo0 What is sad is that hojo undo is a major part of Okinawan Goju. Yes, you may not feel that you have a need for it. But historically, it was done because of the lack of wight lifting equipment available as we have today. Many Goju-ka cross train in weights, etc. What is sad is that u remain to be a rude on a public forum. If you don't agree just say so.
@edlo123 Thats not correct, (okinawan) karate came from fujian white crane - which is southern as well as hung ga/hung kyun/hung gar, youre right in this part. However, hung kyun is something like MMA of old China, its not an original style, its a mix of many types of training drills and techniques. Finally - karate has nothing (or very little) to do with hung kyun and goju-ryu is almost fully created of white crane (eg sanchin...) Thanks.
You're partially correct, however, Goju Ryu has roots more in the Hakka Arts than Fukien White Crane, which influenced the Tomari and Shorin Branches.
Very cool. I'm a shotokan guy myself, but I'm looking into some of the strength training from goju ryu, I've seen some examples in other documentaries and think it would be good for me to try some of it. As a martial artist though it's always wonderful to see footage like this regardless of style, thanks for sharing.
I'm in the same boat as you, I take Japanese karate and looking into Okinawan style training as well. I saw this book on Amazon titled, "The Art of Hojo Undo: Power Training for Traditional Karate," by Michael Clarke. It gives you instruction on how to make all this stuff at home. Soon as get the chanve I'm buying this book, 'cuz it can get expensive. Also check the "Okinawa Strengthening" DVD by Takemi Takayasu, some good training ideas on that too.
Thanks a lot for the recommendations, I'll have a look for them :) In karate last week we did circuits with stuff like skipping (which I've never done before, was surprised how effective it is!) and medicine balls. Holding a medicine ball and going into horse stance while lifting it above your head is fun challenge lol
Yeah circuits are really great because it doesn't take a whole lot of time, and even with weights you get a good cardio effect because it gets the heart pumping. Glad I could help, OSU!!
I too am a Shotokan practitioner and I would really like to learn Goju-ryu. Since there are no dojos near me I guess I'll just learn the conditioning techniques. I like the circular movements of Goju-ryu so I guess its more my style, but shotokan has its advantages LOL.
Thank you for posting this piece on invaluable treasure. It is amazing been able to see a piece of footage so rare and well preserved. 80% of all records created and/or collected before WWII were destroyed during the American Invasion. This is a true jewel of Goju Ryu Junbi Undo. Thank you again.
I studied this style for 2 years and even although I was only a green belt it saved me from many street fights from gangs to the point where I was surrounded by 8 guys and they stopped fighting to ask me where I learnt to fight like that, its a very good strong brutal fighting style about 4000 years old and I am very great full for having been able to learn it - thank you to all Goju Ryu Instructors and thank you Okinawa
You are correct GoJu Ryu was named in 1930 Goju-ryu is considered a descendant of the Fujian White Crane style (known as "Fujian Bai He" in Chinese). From White Crane, Gōjū-ryu takes the circular movements and fast strikes. From Tiger Style, Gōjū-ryu takes the strong linear attacks and the tiger claw pinching (especially in kyusho-jitsu). And these styles are very old.
Very true, just finished talking to this guy who is so enamored with Muay Thai. Claims that MT has the best standup game, which is why so many K1 and MMA fighters use it. If that's so true, how come they had to incoporate Western boxing techniques, because tradtional muay didn't offer much for hand attacks. Hmmm...
tell him to watch the first international kykashinki (wrong spelling) held in japan 1956 i think, all the muay thai fighters were beaten in seconds and what is even more funny is that most were stopped with shin kicks to the thigh!
Yeah, but I know what he'll say 'cuz he's said it already..."Oh, that's because Kyokushin uses MT kicks, that's why it's good...all the styles today that are closer to real fighting have incorporated MT techniques into it..." blah blah blah. Dude was so in obsessed with MT it was ridiculous.
Please ponder this as the difference in training philosophies:
Modern Karate, post WWII = mostly adobted a confucism philosophy (i.e. disciplined rules and methodologies); while on the otherhand in Okinawa & China, pre-WWII = Taoism philosophy was more popular (i.e. expressing being in harmony with creation, one mold doesn't fit all).
Goju and Miyagi Sensei histories should also include Masayoshi Kori Hisataka (Seiki Kudaka) of Kenkokan Karatedo Shorinjiryu. For as we, the decendants of the Hisataka family system of Karatedo, have been so advised, they were close friends, and shared many hours together in the dojo.
I have everything you mentioned except Mark Bishops book. "Sansinzoo" also translated some key documents that Miyagi wrote and they are available too on the internet. Arigato, Osu!
Was this video from Miyagi's legendary "Garden Dojo"?. Can anyone identify the specific karateka? I feel privleged to watch this incredible footage. Thanks for posting! Osu!
I did hit "more info" and received a lot more information. I was wondering if any Miyagi footage existed. This may be it. One question, the PDF link does not function. What was it supposed to show and is there an alternate address? I am curious to read it. Any GoJu history is of high interest to me. Thank you for sharing this invaluable footage.
I thought the possibility is that Miyagi Sensei may be the karateka with the Tan. I am not sure it is he performing Tensho and Kururunfa. I did enjoy the DVD on Miyagi narrated by George Alexander. Thirsting for more sources!! Any info from all is greatly appreciated.
there is always mr higaonna's book on the history of goju ryu , you probably have that , and mark bishops book secrets of karate , its hard to find anything on miyagi sensei, i think chinens videos have some info on him and toguchis books do aswell
they use similar methods all over china as well which is probably where this came from. and alot of these russian kettlebell guys think they stumbled onto something new...
Yes, very interesting use of what is at hand to train...Re: Kettlebells, I am not sure that is any better than dumbells, they are just different....For the most part, Russian training methods are helpful but not all that amazing.
Excellent martial arts training video and loved the quality. I hope to mention this style of training to you. - Kung Fu Home Training Machine - just do a search for the martialarm in youtube or google.
I must correct you. Old style training in the "Okinawan" way. The Japanese were much more militaristic lining groups into lines and shouting commands. Okinawa had more of an informal method where each worked as individuals until WWII
Thank you very much for posting this! Karate is karate; and this is as legitimate as it gets. Karate was designed to respond to ordinary acts of aggression of the sort that you can see in any biker bar: grab and punch, head butt, roundhouse punch, etc. Getting stronger helps in dealing with fighting. And for that matter, so does kata. A lot. And Schmeisser and Iain Abernethy have done a lot for reverse-engineering the kata to extract the real functions of the kata.
ah yeah, silly me; master Funakoshi did, I think, Chito Ryu and Wado Ryu, but, I don't think he did Goju Ryu. Still, Karate is Karate, and traditional training is traditional training all the same right? Speaking of which..... I'm a pussy. All I do is Kata. I don't train in Karate like a man.
Why so indignant? Funakoshi did not do Chito/Wado Ryu. He did Shuri-te similar to todays Shorin Ryu which became Shotokan. There was a difference in training beliefs then.
I remember when i took 3 years of go ju ryu karate there was'nt any training methods like this, man i think american karate from my experience is watered down to make it more acceptable to average american.
Why the hell is karate so gay today? Those dudes look as tough as nails. The karateka doing the kata was very well built. To days karate people are over weight or skinny like a twig.
The Kurunfa practiced then looks different than what I see done by others on this sight. It looks like he shifts from Sanchin to Zenkutsu back to Sanchin. What I see today is Sanchin to Sanchin.
Ahh ... but if you notice the man carrying the Hojo Undo you will see his foot is twisted before he adjusts his hips. And when the guy doing Kurunfa lands in his second Sanchin his foot is also turned in until he shifts, then when he returns his foot is straight.
That's b/c there are 2 types of Sanchin dachi: haishu kata uses a straighter front foot to keep from damaging the knee. Sanchin/Tensho uses the stricter dachi, as practiced in hojo undo b/c it will not damage the cartilage from the slower stepping. I have been hinting this several times waiting for u to pick up on the question. This is a huge difference from the Jap. & Oki kata.
I knew it had something to do with the knees. My school does it like is being shown in the hojo undo except it is more important , for us, to turn the foot in then to shift the foot straight. If it is uncomfortable we straighten, if not we keep it at an angle. It is considered part of our defensive posture but I can't explain it properly with out showing you. Thanks for the tid bit though I did not know they differentiated the two.
Yes, the thighs and knees can assist in prevention of the groin and other techniques. Sanchin dachi & turning is very important and horizontally it is kani basai waza.
I am not saying that grappling has not always existed in Karate, but I get a chuckle how they seem to be shifting their focus back to grappling since the Gracies proved it's effectiveness.
I get a real chuckle from folks who say such things when I've been taught that way prior to the Gracie's coming to the USA. My training in Hakko Ryu awakened me to the dualism of techniques within styles;then I met Shogo Kuniba in the early 80's and was exposed to his Goshin Budo. My Judo Sensei who also did karate would point out such things. You need to tone down the rhetoric! 8-P
I Apologise, but you must admit Karate is known for its kicking and punching, not it's grappling. Just look at the traditional training methods which were all geared to striking like Tameshiwara, Kihon etc. To create a grappling technique from Kata that in no way resemble what is being done, other then the motion of the legs just seems ... foreign to me.
But that is what the kata is designed for. It was all the Japanese styles that abbreviated the curriculum to an ichi, ni, san mentality to indoctrinate it's military.Taking away the ne waza and stuff. I'll send you a few clips via PM. Remember anything done standing can be and should be able to be accomplished on the ground with talent.
Sorry nothing more, cameras were very rare. I believe that this was done to promote karate into the schools and military prior to the expansion of the war.
Thank you so much for posting this footage. This is arguably the most important piece of video evidence relating to Miyagi Sensei's karatedo, and how it was being practised around that time.
Amazing video - to get a window into how Chojun Miyagi and his students trained is the greatest gift. Thank you for uploading!!!
epb471 3 weeks ago
Wonderful. Thank you. Many of your other uploads have been valuable to me as well.
thecontemplative2 2 months ago
@thecontemplative2 I am vamping up to add some of my own old stuff in 2012
NewEnglandBudo 2 months ago
These are great old films.
Ronin6575 7 months ago
im very impressive guys body who was doing kata at the end.his body was well developed for karate not for show off.
Lee7676 11 months ago
@Lee7676 And you can see the hojo undo equipment used by the practitioners of that time. No weight machines, etc for them.
NewEnglandBudo 11 months ago
now this is legit old school
koreanwizard94 11 months ago
a great piece of history.
MrByaeger 1 year ago
This is how it should be, instead of modern day practitioners especially young ones worrying about when will they get a black belt to impress others, this video is a breath of fresh air, for those who don,t have a black belt, master what you know already inside and out and the knowledge of a black belt and the day you attain it will come
37RRSmith 1 year ago
man he's so smooth
InformatikSuperheld 1 year ago
ooo he was doin tensho at the end i think
twokon 1 year ago
I think this video is Brilliant proper old school training.
Go Ju Ryu seems but cut down in the UK compared to what they are still doing in Japan punching buckets of gravel and doing handstands up and down the dojo.
Though I would like to no what IOGKF dojo the person who trains in as I have trained in seven different iogkf dojos over the time even if just couple days or seminar all have down hojo undo even if just a small amount.
I also have. a friend go and try out dojo in Norwich and said
claire4afcb 1 year ago
I wish you had more of the video to post. Oh! and look at the rythym of his kata. Very different from how it is done today.
lordhriley 1 year ago
@lordhriley Yes the tournament karate kata appears very different than the kata shown here. But most of the traditional Goju ryu dojo teach a very smooth version. Check out Chinen Sensei's Kata Part 3 of 3 in my list. He does Kururunfa full speed. I think u will enjoy.
Down load the pdf file in the description area to learn more about the video's history.
NewEnglandBudo 1 year ago
I always love these old karate videos :D
ShaolinIronLeg 1 year ago
nice footage, i am not a karate practioner, but i really like the look of the old school training, pleaseure to watch!
taijihitman 1 year ago
thats not goju ryu
fullmetal610 1 year ago
@fullmetal610 You may want to download the information packet (pdf) listed in the description of the clip. Miyagi Chojun is in the video as well as some of his most senior students prior to WWII. What style of Goju ryu do you practice??
NewEnglandBudo 1 year ago
@NewEnglandBudo
i am with IOGKF. I dont think we do this in our dojo sirry if i have ofended you
fullmetal610 1 year ago
Love it, love it, love it! No pain, no gain!!
tacoland2000 1 year ago
wow they are great :O
Runazarag 1 year ago
alot of this type of training comes from hung ga kung fu.where they believe karate origornated from
edlo123 2 years ago
@edlo123 Ok, if you say so!
NewEnglandBudo 2 years ago
@NewEnglandBudo IOGKF
i dont think we do this in our dojo sorry if i have offended you
fullmetal610 1 year ago
@fullmetal610 No Offense. Are you telling me that you are an IOGKF dojo and you do not perform hojo undo?? I believe all, or many of the Okinawan Goju Ryu associations in the world do some type of hojo undo. What type of Goju do you study?
NewEnglandBudo 1 year ago
@NewEnglandBudo hojo undo simply means "supplementary exercises". The idea that one must roll a barbell down one's back to study goju ryu is absurd.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 So u r calling Miyagi Sensei "absurd"? You should read the info describing the video above where it states:
"Some writers about this video believe that Miyagi Sensei himself is training with the 'tan', if so then it is the only video of Miyagi Sensei ever taken."
NewEnglandBudo 1 year ago
@NewEnglandBudo he would not say that rolling a barbell down one's back is a necessary component of learning the art, so I am calling YOU absurd for pretending (2x now) that it is.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 What is sad is that hojo undo is a major part of Okinawan Goju. Yes, you may not feel that you have a need for it. But historically, it was done because of the lack of wight lifting equipment available as we have today. Many Goju-ka cross train in weights, etc. What is sad is that u remain to be a rude on a public forum. If you don't agree just say so.
NewEnglandBudo 1 year ago
@edlo123 Thats not correct, (okinawan) karate came from fujian white crane - which is southern as well as hung ga/hung kyun/hung gar, youre right in this part. However, hung kyun is something like MMA of old China, its not an original style, its a mix of many types of training drills and techniques. Finally - karate has nothing (or very little) to do with hung kyun and goju-ryu is almost fully created of white crane (eg sanchin...) Thanks.
soustomrd 1 year ago
@soustomrd
You're partially correct, however, Goju Ryu has roots more in the Hakka Arts than Fukien White Crane, which influenced the Tomari and Shorin Branches.
Koryuhoka 1 year ago
this is awesome
glamiss 2 years ago
Very cool. I'm a shotokan guy myself, but I'm looking into some of the strength training from goju ryu, I've seen some examples in other documentaries and think it would be good for me to try some of it. As a martial artist though it's always wonderful to see footage like this regardless of style, thanks for sharing.
Shindai 2 years ago
I'm in the same boat as you, I take Japanese karate and looking into Okinawan style training as well. I saw this book on Amazon titled, "The Art of Hojo Undo: Power Training for Traditional Karate," by Michael Clarke. It gives you instruction on how to make all this stuff at home. Soon as get the chanve I'm buying this book, 'cuz it can get expensive. Also check the "Okinawa Strengthening" DVD by Takemi Takayasu, some good training ideas on that too.
deek77 2 years ago
Thanks a lot for the recommendations, I'll have a look for them :) In karate last week we did circuits with stuff like skipping (which I've never done before, was surprised how effective it is!) and medicine balls. Holding a medicine ball and going into horse stance while lifting it above your head is fun challenge lol
Shindai 2 years ago
Yeah circuits are really great because it doesn't take a whole lot of time, and even with weights you get a good cardio effect because it gets the heart pumping. Glad I could help, OSU!!
deek77 2 years ago
I too am a Shotokan practitioner and I would really like to learn Goju-ryu. Since there are no dojos near me I guess I'll just learn the conditioning techniques. I like the circular movements of Goju-ryu so I guess its more my style, but shotokan has its advantages LOL.
johnm543 2 years ago
Awesome video!!!
samuraijake1985 2 years ago 2
I love Karate. thanks for the footage.
shotojojo1986 2 years ago
Now that is training.
shinbooks 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this piece on invaluable treasure. It is amazing been able to see a piece of footage so rare and well preserved. 80% of all records created and/or collected before WWII were destroyed during the American Invasion. This is a true jewel of Goju Ryu Junbi Undo. Thank you again.
ArukiI 2 years ago
Most enjoyable..thank you for sharing.
Is there more to this film?
Regards.
YANHAP1 2 years ago
thank you, enjoy all these old footage.
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
Beautiful
ToddDowney 2 years ago
I studied this style for 2 years and even although I was only a green belt it saved me from many street fights from gangs to the point where I was surrounded by 8 guys and they stopped fighting to ask me where I learnt to fight like that, its a very good strong brutal fighting style about 4000 years old and I am very great full for having been able to learn it - thank you to all Goju Ryu Instructors and thank you Okinawa
maco10810 2 years ago 3
GoJu ryu is named by Chojun Miyagi, no not 4000 yrs old, I dont believe the stories, grasshopper time to head back to the dojo for lessons
786myfist 2 years ago
You are correct GoJu Ryu was named in 1930 Goju-ryu is considered a descendant of the Fujian White Crane style (known as "Fujian Bai He" in Chinese). From White Crane, Gōjū-ryu takes the circular movements and fast strikes. From Tiger Style, Gōjū-ryu takes the strong linear attacks and the tiger claw pinching (especially in kyusho-jitsu). And these styles are very old.
maco10810 2 years ago
hahahaha And poeple keep saying that martial arts are useless in streets, if they know...
Anyways, ignorant people is blind people, as history has shown ;)
t0m4t3 2 years ago 3
Very true, just finished talking to this guy who is so enamored with Muay Thai. Claims that MT has the best standup game, which is why so many K1 and MMA fighters use it. If that's so true, how come they had to incoporate Western boxing techniques, because tradtional muay didn't offer much for hand attacks. Hmmm...
deek77 2 years ago
tell him to watch the first international kykashinki (wrong spelling) held in japan 1956 i think, all the muay thai fighters were beaten in seconds and what is even more funny is that most were stopped with shin kicks to the thigh!
goju999 2 years ago
Yeah, but I know what he'll say 'cuz he's said it already..."Oh, that's because Kyokushin uses MT kicks, that's why it's good...all the styles today that are closer to real fighting have incorporated MT techniques into it..." blah blah blah. Dude was so in obsessed with MT it was ridiculous.
deek77 2 years ago
The things the three guys at the beginning do would make for a bitchin' kettlebell excersises.
illegalusername 2 years ago
That's what Goju ryu is all about, conditioning of the body and hard and soft strikes.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
Excellent footage BTW, thank you for posting it!
SensieSanzashi 2 years ago
Please ponder this as the difference in training philosophies:
Modern Karate, post WWII = mostly adobted a confucism philosophy (i.e. disciplined rules and methodologies); while on the otherhand in Okinawa & China, pre-WWII = Taoism philosophy was more popular (i.e. expressing being in harmony with creation, one mold doesn't fit all).
SensieSanzashi 2 years ago
Goju and Miyagi Sensei histories should also include Masayoshi Kori Hisataka (Seiki Kudaka) of Kenkokan Karatedo Shorinjiryu. For as we, the decendants of the Hisataka family system of Karatedo, have been so advised, they were close friends, and shared many hours together in the dojo.
SensieSanzashi 2 years ago
I'm sorry but I have never heard of him. Could you refer me to a source?
NewEnglandBudo 2 years ago
The famous Itoman karate expert Machiya buntoku (Kinjo Matsu) was filmed. Also on the film is a demonstration of Naha-te Kurunfa an Tensho kata.
The performers include Kyoda Juhatsu (age30) and Shinzato jinan (age 17).
domugen 3 years ago
wow, impressive. you really know your history. osu.
kungfuxdrummer 2 years ago 8
thanks..
shisoshin 3 years ago
I have everything you mentioned except Mark Bishops book. "Sansinzoo" also translated some key documents that Miyagi wrote and they are available too on the internet. Arigato, Osu!
epb471 3 years ago
Was this video from Miyagi's legendary "Garden Dojo"?. Can anyone identify the specific karateka? I feel privleged to watch this incredible footage. Thanks for posting! Osu!
epb471 3 years ago
Check out the info written in the description. There is a link to a pdf where you can read more. Enjoy
NewEnglandBudo 3 years ago
I did hit "more info" and received a lot more information. I was wondering if any Miyagi footage existed. This may be it. One question, the PDF link does not function. What was it supposed to show and is there an alternate address? I am curious to read it. Any GoJu history is of high interest to me. Thank you for sharing this invaluable footage.
epb471 3 years ago
@epb471 Sorry for the late notice but the pdf link is now working
NewEnglandBudo 1 year ago
he was doing kuraunfa and tensho kata , you can get george alexanders videos on miyagi chojun they are very good and full of info
gojukanboyno1 3 years ago
I thought the possibility is that Miyagi Sensei may be the karateka with the Tan. I am not sure it is he performing Tensho and Kururunfa. I did enjoy the DVD on Miyagi narrated by George Alexander. Thirsting for more sources!! Any info from all is greatly appreciated.
epb471 3 years ago
there is always mr higaonna's book on the history of goju ryu , you probably have that , and mark bishops book secrets of karate , its hard to find anything on miyagi sensei, i think chinens videos have some info on him and toguchis books do aswell
gojukanboyno1 3 years ago
i did this style of karate but then i quit because im a quiter
electroboy314 3 years ago
that guy looks like he is three feet tall
quinn127 3 years ago
Great old video, I like the work with the tan!
mkdios122 3 years ago
That was MAN training not today's sissy training in a bunch of so-called karate dojos which are there just for the money or who-knows-why...
faridperez 3 years ago 16
+ 1
Hotora86 3 years ago
this looks real traditional kung fu, even more than those fake PRC styles
minustar 3 years ago
I wish I could see more of the Tensho kata at the end.
hazukijitsu 3 years ago
How much do the stone padlocks usually weigh?
sullyb23511 3 years ago
anywhere between 25 to 40 lbs.
NewEnglandBudo 3 years ago
They really did have some unique conditioning methods....they did what they could with what they had in those days.
Shinkyu42 3 years ago
they use similar methods all over china as well which is probably where this came from. and alot of these russian kettlebell guys think they stumbled onto something new...
kempobrad 3 years ago 3
Yes, very interesting use of what is at hand to train...Re: Kettlebells, I am not sure that is any better than dumbells, they are just different....For the most part, Russian training methods are helpful but not all that amazing.
Shinkyu42 3 years ago
they are actually rather like the stone padlocks..just a metal version. quite different in "feel" than dumbells. the grip is way different.
kempobrad 3 years ago
Excellent martial arts training video and loved the quality. I hope to mention this style of training to you. - Kung Fu Home Training Machine - just do a search for the martialarm in youtube or google.
harryp7a6rs 3 years ago
amazing footage.
EnergyKI 3 years ago
cool
christwarrior56 3 years ago
NICE! I love this stuff.
1ToNJaB 3 years ago
wow, rare footage!
theshadowboy607 3 years ago
this is traditional karate!
elchimbox 4 years ago
AAARRRRGGGHHHH, you said the C word!! 8-)
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
ROFLMAO!!
cooks2006 4 years ago
I made a derogoratory remark on one of their videos and b/c we live in the same state, he challenged me to a fight. Sick man!
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
conditions the back for strikes and rolling the weights helps your core strength (abs,lats, etc.)
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
I must correct you. Old style training in the "Okinawan" way. The Japanese were much more militaristic lining groups into lines and shouting commands. Okinawa had more of an informal method where each worked as individuals until WWII
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
That's true of Wushu (martial sport), but not Wu-Su (militaristic art). I do like Goju the most of all the karate arts.
richsifu 4 years ago
See my reply above re: Wu-Su.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Thank you very much for posting this! Karate is karate; and this is as legitimate as it gets. Karate was designed to respond to ordinary acts of aggression of the sort that you can see in any biker bar: grab and punch, head butt, roundhouse punch, etc. Getting stronger helps in dealing with fighting. And for that matter, so does kata. A lot. And Schmeisser and Iain Abernethy have done a lot for reverse-engineering the kata to extract the real functions of the kata.
oldusedking 4 years ago
ah yeah, silly me; master Funakoshi did, I think, Chito Ryu and Wado Ryu, but, I don't think he did Goju Ryu. Still, Karate is Karate, and traditional training is traditional training all the same right? Speaking of which..... I'm a pussy. All I do is Kata. I don't train in Karate like a man.
stardingo747 4 years ago
Why so indignant? Funakoshi did not do Chito/Wado Ryu. He did Shuri-te similar to todays Shorin Ryu which became Shotokan. There was a difference in training beliefs then.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
wait, wait; it was Shorei and Shorin ugh. I hate getting styles mixed up....
stardingo747 4 years ago
Gichin Funakoshi endured that training.
stardingo747 4 years ago
The hojo undo is predominantly a Naha based training regimen. However, the Shuri-te did use the makiwara training considerably.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
thanks to NEB for sharing this treasure..
shisoshin0 4 years ago
I remember when i took 3 years of go ju ryu karate there was'nt any training methods like this, man i think american karate from my experience is watered down to make it more acceptable to average american.
aaronk0813 4 years ago
It depends upon where you train 'most' Okinawan Goju & Uechi Ryu dojo still use these implements. Some Shorin Ryu, too but to a lesser degree.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Thank you for sharing!!!
domdada 4 years ago
Love it, thanks for sharing
GojuFreak 4 years ago
more treasure.. these postings are a service to genuine gojuryu..
domo arigato gozaimasu
shisoshin 4 years ago
I concur- more, please. Excellent historical footage!
Yasaguri 4 years ago
Sorry that is all that I have. It is believed that any other was lost in the Battle of Okinawa
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Great stuff!!! Encore!!! Please!!!
jwkungfu 4 years ago
See my post above.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Tough as nails!
Domzdream 4 years ago
who was that man? I seen him before with Master Chojun Miyagi!
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
Why the hell is karate so gay today? Those dudes look as tough as nails. The karateka doing the kata was very well built. To days karate people are over weight or skinny like a twig.
judofan 4 years ago
Not all schools. Depends upon the person. There is this judo guy down the street and he weighs........ 8-)
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Have you ever heard of Yamashita, the undefeated Judoka ... he wasn't exactly slim.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Because most Karate schools nowadays teach you a sport, not a fighting art.
But if you search for a while you may find a real Karate teacher. They a scarce but they exist.
Thunderhouse2 4 years ago
The Kurunfa practiced then looks different than what I see done by others on this sight. It looks like he shifts from Sanchin to Zenkutsu back to Sanchin. What I see today is Sanchin to Sanchin.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Yes, I have seen it done both ways. Once again note that the front foot of sanchin dachi is straight not twisted in like the Japanese do
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Ahh ... but if you notice the man carrying the Hojo Undo you will see his foot is twisted before he adjusts his hips. And when the guy doing Kurunfa lands in his second Sanchin his foot is also turned in until he shifts, then when he returns his foot is straight.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
That's b/c there are 2 types of Sanchin dachi: haishu kata uses a straighter front foot to keep from damaging the knee. Sanchin/Tensho uses the stricter dachi, as practiced in hojo undo b/c it will not damage the cartilage from the slower stepping. I have been hinting this several times waiting for u to pick up on the question. This is a huge difference from the Jap. & Oki kata.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
I knew it had something to do with the knees. My school does it like is being shown in the hojo undo except it is more important , for us, to turn the foot in then to shift the foot straight. If it is uncomfortable we straighten, if not we keep it at an angle. It is considered part of our defensive posture but I can't explain it properly with out showing you. Thanks for the tid bit though I did not know they differentiated the two.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Yes, the thighs and knees can assist in prevention of the groin and other techniques. Sanchin dachi & turning is very important and horizontally it is kani basai waza.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Kani Basai Waza?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Kani Basami
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Yes, sorry typing too late at night!! Did you get my PM to my article?
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Yeah ... Thanks
kirokyukan 4 years ago
any comments? This is pretty much how Okinawan Goju practice their kata for training in self defense and bunkai!
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
I am not saying that grappling has not always existed in Karate, but I get a chuckle how they seem to be shifting their focus back to grappling since the Gracies proved it's effectiveness.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
I get a real chuckle from folks who say such things when I've been taught that way prior to the Gracie's coming to the USA. My training in Hakko Ryu awakened me to the dualism of techniques within styles;then I met Shogo Kuniba in the early 80's and was exposed to his Goshin Budo. My Judo Sensei who also did karate would point out such things. You need to tone down the rhetoric! 8-P
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
I Apologise, but you must admit Karate is known for its kicking and punching, not it's grappling. Just look at the traditional training methods which were all geared to striking like Tameshiwara, Kihon etc. To create a grappling technique from Kata that in no way resemble what is being done, other then the motion of the legs just seems ... foreign to me.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
But that is what the kata is designed for. It was all the Japanese styles that abbreviated the curriculum to an ichi, ni, san mentality to indoctrinate it's military.Taking away the ne waza and stuff. I'll send you a few clips via PM. Remember anything done standing can be and should be able to be accomplished on the ground with talent.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
search Koryu Uchinadi nage waza (or the old ways of Okinawan Karate)
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Simply amazing!! Thanks
krustofogus 4 years ago
great video , shows part of kururumfa kata , by the way very different from the version seen so far.best regards from chile
chatanyarasan 4 years ago
This is awesome.
WarriorBoy 4 years ago
Wow, never seen this before. This footage is a historical treasure.
PhoenixAsh 4 years ago
Yes, Blackshield any more footage, is that a strange question? But thanks to NewEnglandBudo for answering :)
Colemandina 4 years ago
any more footage?
blackshield1981 4 years ago
Sorry nothing more, cameras were very rare. I believe that this was done to promote karate into the schools and military prior to the expansion of the war.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Thanks for that. Is there any more footage?
Colemandina 4 years ago
looks like him. Impressive.
aitto 4 years ago
Is this So Neichu performing tensho?
hanzabass 4 years ago
that system of training came from china or may be india ?
komek 4 years ago
gracias muy interesante....no hay mas??ohhh
folmosan 4 years ago
Very nice!!!!
shorinkarate 4 years ago
Thank you so much for posting this footage. This is arguably the most important piece of video evidence relating to Miyagi Sensei's karatedo, and how it was being practised around that time.
garrylever06 4 years ago