reservation = concentration camp = crime against humanity
beautiful people dont"forget the malediction of Tecumseh. Americans are damned for eternity for their genocide. Their Gods will never protect them. They are inexistent. The malediction is still active. We aspect 2020 and the destiny of the elected president. White are evil and will all die.
@rriverstone1 Oh please, give me a break. You're like all the rest of the rest of the do gooder liberals that denounce the likes of Onate and then commune with nature on a tract of land in the mountains of northern New Mexico and establish an artist colony. Never mind the fact that if it were not for Onate the "peace loving native Americans" (AKA blood thirsty savages) would murder you on the spot while you took in the beauty of the American South West. Viva Don Juan de Onate y Salazar!!!
@rrmfg You make a lot of ASSumptions about folks you are too lazy & stupid to even know. Look me up; I live in circumstances you're too lazy & stupid to comprehend, let alone survive. The "bloodthirsty savages" were the Spanish. You're just a racist loser. By the way, troll, I wasn't talking to you; I was talking to the videographers. So, consider yourself dead to me. I can't abide cowards like you. Hurry up and die; young people need the oxygen.
This is not the largest equestrian statue in the world, you dont know about the Manuel Tolsa´s equestrian statue of Charles IV in Mexico City, it weights 26 tons, and this one of Juan de Oñate weights 18 tons.
The real heros are the native people who survived those hash times of Colonialism. The 2 million dollars scuplture shoud have went to the people of el paso. Artist was blind to the content of the piece and was fueled the wealthy side of El Paso. History is hard played out the was it did but to be remind with Fourty foot statue is stupid.
people protest this monument with todays phylosophy of auto-determination of nations but in that time people dont have this sence the objetice is kill, stole and convert the barbarians and this its not only spain...its all european countries look what english people made in africa go study!....and what american genocide in the conquer of the west! this is the spirit of the time people...we canot judge with todays values something that occurs in 300 years...this is how history is made!
And they are so illiterate that write "EL PASO IS NOT SPANISH" when "EL PASO" is precisely an Spanish word meaning "The Pass". How would they said EL PASO in a tribal language? They don´t even know. Just a bunch of clowns.
Ya es hora de que los mexicanos reconozcan que su fundador es Hernán Cortés (por lo menos de los mexicanos que hablan español y/o son cristianos,) y no Moctezuma, de cuya cultura no ha quedado casi nada.
Juan de Oñate was the founder of El Paso the same way as Hernán Cortes was the founder of Mexico, Francisco Pizarro was teh founder of Peru, Juan de Garay was the founder of Buenos Aires or Valdivia was the founder of Chile.
Now 98% of Mexicans speak Spanish, have Spanish names and last names and are Christian. So they should honour their Founding Father, Juan de Oñate. They are hypochrites because at the same time they treat full-blood Native Mexicans in Southern Mexico as second class.
break it down to you, your people are not the only ones, europeans have been through the shit you were throught for centuries, okay you are not the only ones who have suffered. stop trying to get people to feel sorry for you. If they put a manument of a conquistatdor than put one of some famouse ancestor you had, but dont call other people's ancestor criminals because indians were not angels either.
wow this is incredible!!!, so people can worships people like the damn aztecs who where some of the cruelist people ever, wiped out whole tribes just to sarifice them to thier gods but if some people want to put a monument on a european conquistador to show the history of the place then all hell breaks loose. I respect indians but damn you complain a lot. Maybe you should have fought harder and complain less. You are always talking about how bad you had, how much your people suffered. Let me
123diagun, maybe you are the one that needs to go back and read about Juan De Oñate and what other conquistadors did to Native Americans and then give out an educated opinion. Then you will understand " what is that about cutting off feet"
Al menos encuentro algo a favor nuestro allí, la cantidad de estatuas que hay a conquistadores españoles, como la de Juan de Oñate. Que al menos sepan de dónde viene su arquitectura colonial, el rodeo, el arte de la doma, la ganadería, y en definitiva todo lo que es la idiosincrasia del cowboy, que fué algo que se inició con el imperio español en lo que hoy es Estados Unidos
@LordBuntaro,NO.......y no solo eso que usted dice,de hecho........."LOS PRIMEROS
EUROPEOS que pisaron la tierra que hoy pertenece a los EU,fueron precisamente "ESPAÑOLES DE PURA CEPA",..........y no precisamente ni los Ingleses,ni los Franceses,ni los Holandeses,ni los Rusos,ni de ninguna,menos aun,otra nacionalidad europea,ve usted lo que le digo?
@LordBuntaro,y yo le recomendaria a su vez a usted, un libro que esta "PRECIOSO" por el cual pague yo 40 dolares,pero lo hice con un gusto tremendo cuyo titulo es "Banderas lejanas" de dos bien autorizados y renombrados autores españoles,Fernado Martinez Lainez & Carlos Canales Torres.En ese libro se compila todo el largo proceso de exploracion,conquista,colonizacion y defensa por parte de España del territorio de los actuales EU. de america.
@LordBuntaro,......de hecho los PRIMEROS EUROPEOS que pisaron la tierra de lo que hoy es los EUA. fueron precisamente ....ESPAÑOLES...,y no Ingleses, Franceses,Holandeses,o Rusos,y menos aun (con mas razon)personas de otras nacionalidades europeas.
Why would you honer some one who fucked over a whole nation ?! We the Native Children Of The South West will be here long after the the rest of the world has gone to hell in a hand basket !!!!!
Bueno, como texano, estoy orgulloso de ese monumento y me paso por los huevos lo que hagan o digan 20 indios pendejos. Ademas el monumento, ha sido realizado con DONACIONES VOLUNTARIAS DEL PROPIO PUEBLO.
Ya que estamos en esas, propongo que también se construya en Texas, una estatua de Francisco Villa, olvidan los españoles que los estadounidenses les arrebataron sus ultimos dominios de ultramar, Las Filipinas, Guam, Cuba y Puerto Rico, cuando eran un país debil economica y politicamente.
La memoria distingue a los pueblos con nobleza y ganas de prosperar mirando hacia delante. Los españoles recordamos a Galvez y los americanos que nos ayudaron contra los ingleses, no reprochamos la cruel ocupación francesa porque son hermanos mediterraneos, ni siquiera recordamos el saqueo de las casas y negocios españoles y su expulsión de México. Los resentidos, los flojos, los ignorantes...no merecen hermanos, ni identidad, ni futuro. Así ha sido, y será por siempre.
Los americanos que nos ayudaron a luchar contra los ingleses? No será al reves, que fué nuestra ayuda, la del rey Carlos III, la que fué determinante, junto a los franceses, para que hoy Estados Unidos sea Estados Unidos? Yo creo que es al revés, nosotros les ayudemos a ellos, no ellos a nosotros. Despues nos lo agradecieron, haciendonos una guerra en 1898 e intentando jodernos cada vez que han podido. Hasta auxiliaron a Francia en Normandia, a nosotros no
A Mesermitch (ese españolote perdedor), propongo que en Madrid construyan una estatua ecuestre de Napolón Bonaparte y de su hermano Jose Bonaparte (alías Pepe Botella), para que vea que no es bonito elogiar a los invasores de tu país, una cosa es reconocer la herencia hispanica y otra es elogiar a los invasores.
Oye imbecil ¿y que hacen en Usa con la estatua de Abraham Lincoln y los demas presidentes de ese pais? ¿y que hacen con las efigies del Monte Rushmore? en Usa los indios de alli no estan molestando todos los dias con ese tema, y fueron invadidos, masacrados y expulsados a reservas. Ademas ¿que cojones te importara a ti lo que hagan los norteamericanos, los gringos? eso no es Sudacacamerica, los yankees estan orgullosos de la historia y legado que España les dejó.
Tu si quieres dar por culo y molestar habla de lo que pase en el continente-cloaca que va de Mexico hasta Argentina, ahí suelta toda tu basura, pero a ti no te importa lo que pase en Usa que es un pais aparte. La historia en Usa la escribieron los españoles durante 300 años cuando tu puta mierda de pais no era ni una idea.
Respecto a tener monumentos dedicados a los invasores pues mira ignorante en España tenemos monumentos dedicados a los emperadores romanos, a los arabes y otros
y muchos otros pueblos que pasaron por la peninsula iberica ¿y sabes que pasa? que no estamos acomplejados de tenerlo porque forman parte de nuestra historia ¿entiendes mono asqueroso tercermundista?
Y ya te gustaria a ti tener el nivel de un "españolete perdedor", ja ja ja tela marinera, que me lo diga alguien de Mexico ---> maras, carteles de la droga, corrupcion, pobreza etc los yankees estan hasta los cojones de vosotros, ratas que eso es lo que sois.
Tú eres de los que bailan con los trajes de plumas en el Zócalo de México, verdad simio? Preocupate por los temas de tu pais, que está hecho una puta mierda (os podeis meter los 200 años de independencia por dónde os quepan, para lo que os ha servido...) antes que hablar del mio, que te viene bien grande
@GodofredoDeMiralda Si Esapaña tiene esos monumentos y calles, fue su decisión (no nuestra), pues eso demuestra que les urge personajes históricos y sacar dinero del herario público, no me salgas con ese argumento baratos, una cosa es la herencia hispanica y el pueblo español, y otra cosa son los falangistas baratos.
?, por supuesto que los falangistas y defensores de la tradición son los más opuestos a mantener estatuas de Bolivar en España, pero se respetan y nadie se siente ofendido hasta el punto en que lo hacen en Hispanoamerica, donde se han tirado y destruido estatuas REGALADAS por España o EEUU. Conoce muy poco lo que es Hª si cree que España necesita personajes historicos latinoamericanos para llenar sus calles. Su herencia es la que usted no respeta para alimentar su odio y xenofobia
@GodofredoDeMiralda Cuando dije que te odio o soy xenofobo, odiarte seria darte importancia, xenofobo, la presencia de tu persona en mi pais no tiene la menos importancia, solo te deportariamos si hubiese una autentica razón y tu sola presenica fisica no es esa razón, si respetan las estatuas que tu dices, ese no es el caso, un autentico personaje histórico no las necesita.
OK, Un personaje historico no necesita las estatuas, ya dijo el insigne historiador peruano Dr.Bustos cuando retiraron la estatua de Pizarro de la Plaza de Armas: "Podeis cambiar la estatua de sitio pero nunca vais a cambiar la Hª " La importancia de mis visitas a Mexico esta relacionada con las inversiones de mi país, 2º en inversiones en México, 1er banco, 1ª eléctrica, etc. Por ello soy muy bien recibido siempre. No procede valorarlas a ningún personaje anónimo en internet
Whats' the Big Deal, everyone knows that the Tiguas are from New Mexico? They are NOT from El Paso, Texas.Why don't they just go back to there "real" home land??
Ya vá imbeciles, hablais de que los españoles fueron unos genocidos pero ¿y los aztecas? los aztecas, mayas etc fueron nas genocidas que nadie ¿o porque cojones creeis que los pueblos pueblos vecinos se aliaron a Hernan Cortes para luchar contra ellos? por mi parte la enhorabuena a la ciudad de El Paso, a Texas y a toda USA por respetar y defender el legado español en aquellas tierras, de Mexico para abajo os podeís pudrir en la mierda.
primeramente animal la relacion de los aztecas con los indigenas bajo su control fue uno de symbiosis-no uno de genocidia-los espanoles no tieneianintres en co-existir nomas aniqular-no mas de exterminar-nomas los que emportaba poner en esclavitude-ni se compara animal!!
Oye idiota, a mi no me vengas con tonterias, los españoles hicieron lo mismo que otros colonizadores con la diferencia de que no mataron a los indigenas ni que los confinaron en reservas, como hicieron otros. ¿que los aztecas tenian simbiosis con sus pueblos vecinos? JA JA JA que ignorante, los aztecas mataban cada años a muchos de sus vecinos, sobre todo en los sacrificios rituales, por eso se aliaron con Cortes.
Y aprende a escribir, que parece que tengas una polla en la boca.
@Messermitch73 come caca idiota los otros no lo hicieron por racismo pendejo esa es la pinchi differencia-lo hecieron por poder-la differencia ese cajado racismo todavia lo estan cometiendo hoy en dia-emascarado claro por cobardes! y no decir lo obvio que sigun con las mismas perras ideas. Horita no hay nadia quriendo sacrificar a los dioses antiguos azteca-pero todavia hay idotas besandole las colas alos conquistadores perros, Apende a hblir y luego me cuntas buey!!
ja ja ja no ogamerican, tarado de mierda-comepollas, los aztecas y los incas eran monjitas por eso masacraron a todos los pueblos de su alrededor, ja ja ja ¿cual es la proxima imbecilidad que te vas a inventar? los que apoyan a los conquistadores son gente que aprecian la buena labor que hicieron en aquellas tierras, no son como los mestizos inutiles como tú, que vives en Usa de prestado, alli eres un ciudadano de tercera regional ¿a que si, mestizo asqueroso?
es mas culito en engles dime porque aqui y en todo el mundo ya les patiaron el culo de sus paises a los pinchis espanoles incluyendo-los estados unnidos-inutil!!
Los españoles lucharon por sus colonias y al final no pudieron, es lo que es haber sido un gran imperio, que abarcaba tanto desde Mexico hasta Argentina, el caribe y Asia que imposible defenderlo todo, eso está en la historia, cacho mierda con ojos que no sabes ni de lo que hablas. Al que le patearon su negro y feo culo fué a tí, perdedor tercermundista, que te echaron de tu pais a patadas y ahora no te quieren en USA, excepto para limpiar los retretes de los gringos.
Pero vamos a ver, monton de mierda, cuando sepas escribir me lo dices mientras tanto vete a tomar por culo ya. Y te llamo mierda para identificarte, que tu no sabes ni lo que eres, desecho social.
imperialista tipico, no te callas el osico. Siempre quieren tener la ultima palabra-hasta en la historia. Su tiempo paso-y la historia los juzgo-el los hallaron ascerosos!! Nadien te pela ya callate el estupido osico!
I'm not sure what to think about this issue. It's very complicated. History is shaded by the people who live it and who write it. Genocide or murder or whatever the case, Its wrong but both sides did it. Native Americans and Spaniards alike. Spaniards through Onate and Native Americans through Pop`e. I think more than anything....we need to focus on NOT letting this happen again instead of arguing who did it worse. As for the statue itself, I wish it were something less politically charged.
It wasn't a massacre. 70 Spanish soldiers fought against 2,000 Acoma people barricaded behind the walls of the city on top of the mountain (a city that was presumed to be indestructible). The Acoma knew the Spaniards were coming and were ready and waiting. The soldiers had only their swords, a small cannon and "muchos cojones". The Acoma people fought like angry demons with everything they had. The natives outnumbered the Spaniards by 10 to 1. Genocide? It was an epic battle.
Cajones? like lying on a you tube blog-of all places- to hid your own racist ideologies behind the mask of supporting past racists-get real-hypocrite. At least have the wearwithall to go out and get a mask and cross like real racists do!!
The Acoma natives are just playing with history by changing many of the facts (what is that about cutting off feet???) to gain easy support and sympathy from people who know nothing about history. But it is very simple to understand. If the Spanish were so cruel and evil, how is it possible that the Acoma people and so many other native Americans tribes are still alive and were allowed to keep their culture, religion and traditions?
@123diagun the fact that a few ~300 managed to survive, does nothing to disprove that Juan de Onate did not cut off several of the feet of his enemies.
Also their culture and religion is a shadow of what it once was. Compare the Ysleta indians of Texas to those of New Mexico.
@123diagun,if you let me answer you about your last question,let me tell you something that,maybe,you don't know.I am from Cuba,see?,I am cuban,and,in my country,like in the rest on the Caribean islands,as bigger antillas as the smaller antillas,as well as the Lucayas and Bahamas group,in they all the native population (indians) were nearly EXTERMINATED in only 100-150 years....
@123diagun well the spanish produced spanish speaking indigenous people not english . and they also did many thing in contradiction to their religious faith like rape and murder. where do you think mestizo comes from ?
Wow, is all i have to say on some of the colorful responses. My take on Onate is that its a symbol and celebration to a man who murdered pueblo people during the time of colonization because he was hungry and cut off the foot of every man within the communities. This statue symboilzes what colonization did to the people and what its still doing to pueblos.
Why build a statue worth millions when that money could be utilized to better the community of El paso? take it as you please...
hopigirl, the thing is, is that this whole notion of onate going around and cutting off feet is not ture, at best its a accidental mistranslation, at worst it was a blatant lie, what happend was a spanish trading party was attacked and that party retaliated, onate himself was no even there at the time he was in san juan, his nehpew however was killed in that battle, after which the spanish held a trail.
trial*, the reason that trial took place was because onate need to find out what did and did not happen, and given the testimony of the spanish and also the people of acoma, onate found only twenty or so ment guilty and only a few of them had the toes cut off not the feet as is the american myth, those men were then sentenced to servitude, so what good would a one footed servent be?, also take into account we have not found any native remains from that time with missing feet,
the whole myth of onate going in and cutting off 800 feet and buring the whole pueblo is not in anyway historical, now we look at the issue of pop'e who would drive out the spanish during the pueblo revolt, he is responsible for the death of farmers priests women and children, and yet when the placed a statue of him in washington dc of all places, no hispnaic group complained about that, even though he was tyrant who was later killed by his own people.
but what this issue goes to for me as a hispanic new mexican, is this just more proof of the anti spanish and anti mexican bias in the united states, when they conqured this area , they say a singluar mexican culture which was and is a combination of old world spanish and native american culture, we were marrying eachother, baptising our children together it was on culture, what did was put the indians of reservations and told the hispanic population dont go there anymore.
so now today we have problem of hispanics going around not caring about the native population here, the native population not caring about the hispanic population, we have become polorized to one another, and the americans are going around here saying ee hehe look at the three cultures of new mexico, which is nonsense, before the american there was one culture here, not 3 not 59, but thats a problem with democracy, all it will ever do is divide people.
rioon, if your going to call onate a murderer i would like to know who he murdered? then i want you to cite that source. secondly what genocide are you speaking of?
wow rioon, that is the best you have is to call me close minded,your the one who is going to claim onate killed 60 to 80 million people?, or are you instead not going to answer the question and skirt the issue of saying the spanish in general killed that many, let look at a few things, there is still a large population of native americans here today, there were probably not 80 mil here at that time, most of the spanish and native population intermarried,and those that did die died from a disease
a disease the spanish could not control, but was overcame quickly by the native population, now they are like everyone else, largely immune to that disease thats how you over come these diseases, its the only way, why do you think when we get a flue shot we inject the flu virus into our bloodstream.the death of a large portion of native americans would have died due to disease regardless of weither itw as the spanish, african or asian who had arriaved here first.
This monument has nothing to do with Europeans,or rich white people. Onate was born on what is now Mexican soil. Onate is Mestizaje. This monument is dedicated to the first wave of hispanic migration into what is now the USA. Everyone faught 26 generations ago....Pueblo vs Pueblo.....Apache vs Pueblo..Respect that you cry baby indians.you killed plenty of your own.... RESPECT OUR CULTURE!
the reason this statue went up is because onate is an important historical figure to this area, and needs to be remembered for what he actually did and not of what the black legend says he did,to compare onate to hitler is ludacris. sorry about my spelling, succeeded*, common*
The black legend had its origins on real acts of cruelty witnessed by many, not just De las Casas! Just take a look at the Caribbean islands today, COMPLETELY DEPLETED of any native people. Hmm? An anihilation of an entire group of people? Where have I heard that before? Oh! I remember! HITTLER! Look, just because you have ties to a particular country does not mean that you have to be blind to what happened in the past or what happens today, specially the wrongdoings to our fellow human beings.
the reason there are so few natives in the carribean today is for the same reason there are not so many natives in the former spanish colonies on the main land, those reasons being disease and intermarrige. the black legend has its roots in protestant england and protestant holland, at the time the protestants were having their asses handed to them all over europe by catholic spain and the holy roman empire, they couldnt beat them so they stated to make up stories
I've read books published in Spain about the conquest, so I understand why you are in such denial about the actions of your compadres. The tourists that your country sent were a bunch murdering theives! And by the way, Spain was defeated permanently as a world power by the British when it destroyed the "invinsible armada" The black legend was made black by Spain, not protestants!Just ask latin americans and Indians today what they think of Spain. They know, and they remember!
ive also read books about the spanish conquest of the new world,again your wrong as always, spains aramada was deafeated by the english however the spanish empire endured for several hundred years after that.again you believe protestant propaganda,as a latin american myself as a mestizo myself i can tell you i dont have any problem with spain or the spanish people,as for the indians, which ones, the ones who were fighting side by side with the spanish against the comanche?
spain was neutral during ww2, had they not been spain would have been invaded by the allies and had they succedeeded there then the invasion of normandy would not have happened,the blue division and the blue squadron were spanish volunters who went to fight the bolsheviks, not out of favor of the nazis but due to a coomon enemy in russia
The Blue division wore NAZI uniforms with Nazi directives, and a quick stop in Germany to get their instructions to fight the Russians. Franco was reluctant to help the Nazis, but he did anyway. Besides, the word NEUTRAL implies NO INVOLVEMENT of any kind. Sending troops, workers, and helping to kill the Jews is NOT the definition of NEUTRAL!Franco was a fascist, just like Mussolini, Stallin and Hittler. I have a feeling that with you Spain has never done anything wrong.
no your wrong, the blue division did not wear NAZI uniforms, they were not members of the nazi party they were Wehrmacht soldiers, standard german army, not nazis they wore the wehrmacht uniform,your going to sit there and say stalin was a fascist, he was a communist, has spain done bad things in the past sure, but nowhere on the level of other european powers.
You are hanging on to points about Spanish involment that miss the point and contradict this whole conversation. First, you declare Spain's neutrality, period. Then I show you that Spain was not toatally neutral(blue division)Then you use the word "volunteer", I show you that they wore German(Nazi)uniforms.Now you argue that they did not belong to the Nazi party? That's not the point at all!WAS SPAIN TOTALLY NEUTRAL? Answer: Claro que no!Did the Spanish help the Nazis? Answ: CLARO QUE SI!
Anglos defending dead Spaniards? Sure they are both Europeans, but come on!If they are in the mood for statues, why not one of Hittler? Or better yet, build a really huge statue of a native american hero from the Texas area, that way everyone will be happy. And while we are at it, why not a statue of me, I'm a pretty cool guy!
Spain was not neutral during WW2. Spain actually sent the so called "Blue division" to fight in Russia in favor of the Nazis. Also, Spaniards rounded up Jews and Gypsys to be taken to Nazi concentration camps in eastern Europe. Spain sent workers to Nazi Germany and sent materials to help Germany. Remember that Franco(the dictator of Spain) won the civil war in his country with the help of the Nazis, so the strong ties were there. Also, Spain harbored Nazis after the war.
en vez de remeter tanto contra los conquistadores españoles, ir contra los británicos y contra los expolidadores del oeste (gral. Custer y compañía) pero que pasa que como son norteamericanos ello no pecaron, anda mentirosos
You should have more humility,yankee.United States, the country with the most brutal police in the world (whose icon is the New York Police, with crimes toward ethnic minorities);the country of the Ku Klux Klan, Minutemen,Aryan Nations, White Power; the country that kidnaps and tortures people of other countries;a country that invades and murders for petroleum; a country that recently it hung or burned to the black ones...You should have more humility and you should be embarrassed,stupid yankee
You missed the Black Panthers, the Truth Organizers, the Anti-Racial movements.
Our country's GOVERNMENT (listen carefully, because the shit stuck in your head is getting to your ears fucking embicil) has taken these measures through suppresion of this & other countries, and sheeple like yourself who don't wake up continue to live in the grasp of despotism by means of secrecy, should I remind you AGAIN of the EUROPEAN UNION you dog?!
Who saved who during the Nazi Regime? Exactly motherfucker.
Look, we have had anti-segregation movements, anti-discriminatory movements (MLK, Cesar Chavez, et. al.), workers right movements, etc. and have given MORE during the 20th century than ANY OTHER CONTINENT in the WORLD! ..and Spain? Nothing... I can bet you Spain has much more racism & discrimination than here in America.
I'll take that bet, dumbass. Spain is a much more homogeneous society than the US, so therefore there can't be as much racial tension there.
Oh, one more thing. The US didn't save Spain from the Nazi regime, idiot. Spain was NEUTRAL in that war. Spain and Germany have never waged war against each other and they never will. The US might have saved France and Britain from the Germans, but not Spain. Spain was never threatened by the Germans.
At first you imply that the US saved Spain from Germany. This utterly false statement clearly demonstrates your historical ignorance and lack of education.
Spain remained neutral during WWII, which was an incredibly smart thing to do.
Join the most destructive war in all history to fight your own friends?
It was a German weaponsmith's guild that established the Toledo foundry which armed the Conquistadors that defeated the Moors and brought European civilization to the Americas.
For that, German weaponsmiths get my appreciation for all time.
Spain was not neutral. Do research on the "Blue division" sent to fight in Russia on behalf of the Nazis. Also check on the workers sent to Germany to help the Nazis, and the round up of Jews and Gypsys to be delivered to the Germans, plus the harboring of Nazis after the war. By the way, the neo-nazis have their biggest numbers in Spain. Why? because of the Nazi legacy from the civil war in the 30's. Learn your history hommy!
The Blue Division was made up of volunteers that WANTED to fight the Russians. Citizens of a neutral country can join the armies of belligerent countries without endangering the neutrality of their home country. There were also, British, American, and Canadian volunteers in the German army.
Also, Spain never deported anyone to German-occupied Europe. On the contrary, Spain had an open-door policy for refugees fleeing the Germans.
Franco never deported anyone to Hitler's camps. According to ALL the histories that I am aware of, Franco had an open-door policy towards ANYONE fleeing Hitler's Europe. Jews, gypsies, and even Allied POWs were given safe harbor once they reached Spain. Gypsies were allowed to stay, Jews were sent to America, and allied soldiers were sent to Britain.
There is a monument to Franco in Tel Aviv, Israel to commemorate the 60k Jews that Franco helped.
You should be embarrassed, stupid yankee. If it is not for the military help of Spain and France, today United States would not exist, it would continue being a colony of Great Britain. And by the way, you forget than big part of your country one day belonged to the Crown of Spain.
Get the fuck out of here you jackass, i'll NEVER be embarrased of what i've said because for a fact i've been told I can shred people, and those who abide by stupidity & arrogance to bits in seconds.
Now, to answer your question, sure it did, but your Spanish 'colonizers' (ahem, murderers..) STILL owed royalty to whom? Guess... ENGLAND!
La tuya puto, because for all I know, we're STILL NOT a union unlike the now European Union, because we won't die off like Spanish dogs.
Yes, we are rats, for that reason the communities of spaniards they are appreciated in United States and in many other countries, while the communities of hispanics (mexicans, bolivians, ecuadorians, peruvians, argentineans, etc) are source of problems and lacks of respect and adaptation.
That is, Spaniards that were born and continue to occupy the Indigenous peoples continent "Americas".
Don't try to divide us European (white) people into a racial construct....because WE are White, Hispanics, Latinos, Gringos, etc.....but we're still European (white)! And not Mexicans, Bolivians, Ecuadorians...."Nationalities"...B*ll Sh*t labels!
Don't be ashamed? Killing off the MOST influential civilizations, etc. by forms of ambush, and distraught illnesses is something to be proud of then let it not be said that the Europeans mark has been set in MANY a lands!
You act like there's a large Indigenous population in the "Americas", in as little as 100 years they will ALL become extinct...look around...many Indigenous "Native American" females are marrying males of foreign descent: Afro Africans, Europeans, etc., and making babies. They're contributing to their own GENOCIDE (rational they call it love!). I You've witnessed it. It proves that they don't care about their Indigenous bloodline: unpure blood = self Indigenous suicide.
Unfortunately for them, they've been placed between a wall and a sword, and you seem to say it as if they have a VAST majority population of males, aswell as you say that outer racial affairs causes unpure blood, true & not true, true, because these bloods become interbred with thus another culture/etc. and not true, due to the fact that the bloodline/gene is still their whether or not. I don't understand your lust towards the elmination of the indiginous tribes.
Motherfucker, have you no sense of humility? Atleast the fucking germans have a sense of historical humility but you don't seem to have any. Fuck your art, if it weren't for the ENGLISH you wouldn't have had the Renassaince. For one, revolutionaries sure don't come out of Spain, my friend.
If eliminating great & vast civilizations that enveloped themselves through means of knowledge, and bio-appreciation, & stabbing a stake of absurdness, & greed is something to be proud of, then be ashamed.
To speak with stupid as you is as speaking to the wall, simply because of entrance you hate to Spanish for that reason, only because it is Spanish then one can no longer reason in no way. Hypocrite of what humility you speak me? you who it is for to judge to a whole nation? all the nations of the world have had their good things and their bad things but apparently of Mexico to Argentina only see the bad things of Spain and not the failure that you are as countries.
...The tenticles of spain and thus countries ARE the one's who f-d up these governments, you realize that don't you. Banking cartels, does that ring a bell?
Secondly, can you possibly construct a proper sentence in response this time?
..the humility I speak of are your ancestors such as Cortez, Ponce de Leon, and thus 'gold-lust' expeditioners. Plus, i'll judge a fucking continent if I can, I simply have to decipher it's moralities, and such.
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Plus, on the good side, if you wanted to know about the positive of Spain, then you came to the WRONG section moron, obviously I wasn't acknowledging their brilliance on this topic stupid!
One more thing before I go, and i'll ask you this, are you proud of a heritage that PROFOUNDLY enveloped, & THRIVED themselves, towards means of conquering without consent, and via means of genocidal, & religious puposes?
..Sound familiar...
Oh wait!
That's George Bush!
I understand one's nationality should be taken in pride, but in means of defence towards offences, that my friend, is repulsive.
Peace to all on both sides of the Issue, but this is Insult to Injury to Native PPL...We Native PPL have the Crazy Horse Monument, the largest Monument in the World, that towers over the Don Juan de Oñate statue...Don Juan was no different than Custer.
And you remembers, piece of yankee shit, that almost three fourth parts of your country belonged to the Spanish Crown. We were the first cowboys, we implant the horse, the taming, the equestrian art, the rodeo, the cattle raising, the agriculture (for example the citric fruits) and the colonial architecture in norteamerica, when your country nor existed. You are not nobody to give me lessons, we don't kill for petroleum
United States until having entered in the second half of the XIX century was a mediocre and stupid country. Non thanks to England, thanks to the European migrations made progress your country your country. In that time countries like Mexico, Cuba or Argentina they were more prosperous than United States. By the way, the India and republics of Africa that were colonies British today are poor countries
2) if it is not for Spain and France than helped military and economically to your country, today your country would be a colony of Great Britain. By the way, if you don't live in my country to know which is our technology, better you closes your stupid mouth full of shit, that is repugnant that you make in the hospitals of your country, you allow people to die. Here the sanity is gratuitous. In your country if you don't have money, you die. This if that is repugnant
1) to think that Latin America is Spain is as erroneous as to think that all the South Americans are mestizo, and there are white South American women (Edith Gonzalez, Ana Colchero or Claudia Ramirez) more white and more European than many women of your country
The Spanish catholic culture was a foul invasive religious murder culture in the past, and its still rotten today. Look at the lack of education in Mexico and Latin America. All they care about is breeding and low-tech work and crime. The native culture was miles above the Spanish and white cultures, and at least the English had the support of education to progress and become the strongest economy in the world. What have the Spanish done? Basically nothing. Good painters and guitar players.
See this manifestation of indifference to the legitimate protests of Native Americans makes me very angry. John Houser has created a monster, honoring Juan de Oñate dishonours civilization, democracy, and pays tribute to violence, rapes, killing again the Peoples Native Americans. I am glad that I Native Americans have said "shame" in the face to these people accomplices of these crimes committed in history on the skin of innocent people, guilty only to exist.
Shut up shit with eyes, the Spaniards at least we have history, culture, art... an origin, and thanks to the spaniards your country exists. You toss to the blame to the Spaniards that after 200 years of independence you continue being poor countries and full with corruption.
You're country has been fucked as ours has, "constitutional" monarchy's are as pointless as they get, ALL global governments are puppets, and THAT'S the point you missed. Yet again, no motherfucker, Spain isn't going to get saved, or spared, during the One World order envelopement...all I say now is that Spain has had the lube in the ass for a while now, so you'd better thank the "third world" when it defaults.
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherete the earth"
what people seem to forget is that onate was responsible for negotiating peace treaties with the pueblos and also was the first to call forth a council of pueblos in 1598, the acoma were opposed to peace and attacked both the spanish and other native americans, the spanish and pueblos retaliated and took acoma prisoners. this is where the myth of the cutting off of feet started. this comes from a miss-translation, it was the cutting off of the tip of the toe.
Im not surprised that the whites support eueropean genocidal monsters like Hernan Cortes, Pizzarro and in this case being Juan de Onate... FUCK SPAIN AND FUCK THEIR ARRIVAL ON THIS LAND.
oh yes and the aztecs and mayans were saints i guess, why do you think most of the natives in mexico sided with the cortez when he went to fight the aztecs, you know why native american culture still survies in this part of the world is because of the spanish, look what happend when the english moved in and what they did, and look how many mixed spanish and native american people there are here aswell.
fonemic transcription "sheim on iu, sheim on iu, sheim on iu" ... "wi ar recognaizzzin e pieriod in jistori for jandrid iars egou dat wos eeheeeh verrri vaiolent, bat it wos olsou a pieriod ov thhaim wen niu teknoloshi wos introdiust tu wot was den cold niu méksikou" bum bum bum bum senkiu senkiu senkiu mister
to messermitch, i dont got time and money to set a campaing to bring that fucker down and if I did there are alot more concerns to deal with aside from that statue so it will have to be to someone else to do it or me in the future and if your gonna shit talk my comment then do something about it or you will be what you are calling me a !!BIG MOUTH!!! either way you know you cant do anything about it you stupid "big mouth" dumb ass!!!
Listen me STUPID: leave me of foolishness. And I repeat it to you, if you have courage, you destroy that statue. And if not, you closes your damned big mouth.
¿porqué será que la gran mayoría de los estadounidenses ven con buenos ojos a los conquistadores españoles? posiblemente es porque trabajan, son cultos, tienen futuro y miran por su futuro y saber aprecir las cosas buenas que España dejó en América, por eso cuando te vas a al oeste de USA te encuentras nombres españoles por todas partes.
A los otros, a los que critica les diria que si no les gusta lo que ven, que se larguen a sus paises y traten de erradicar el idioma español de alli.
hey sabes que ese? CHINGA TU MADRE... La unica razon porque yo hablo espanol y tengo un nombre espanol es porque tus parientes animales hijos de puta llegaron a mexico y todo valio madre... que chinguen a su madre cortes, pizzarro, columbus, andrew jackson y todos los europeos hijos de puta que violaron y mataron a mis ancestros.
A ver muerto/a de hambre, y digo muerto de hambre porque que arrastrarte con el rabo entre las piernas a Estados Unidos: la historia es asi y no la vs a cambiar tú. Posiblemente si no llegara Cortés a esas tierras tu estarías con taparrabo y serías sacrificado en cualquier torre azteca o maya, así que dale las gracias a los españoles de que puedas hablar un bonito idioma y una cultura.
¿tus ancestros? ¿que coño vas a saber tú quienes eran tus ancestros? deja ya de decir tonterias, anda.
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reservation = concentration camp = crime against humanity
beautiful people dont"forget the malediction of Tecumseh. Americans are damned for eternity for their genocide. Their Gods will never protect them. They are inexistent. The malediction is still active. We aspect 2020 and the destiny of the elected president. White are evil and will all die.
lionelagarde 3 days ago
I watched this in a 7th grade NM History class... how many people do you think laughed at 2:03 and 3:48?
WIFIM101 3 weeks ago
Genocide....the Aztecs and Toltecs practiced genocide themselves-welcome to the real world.
lekkerfiss3 6 months ago
I am SO sorry this happened. Makes me sick.
rriverstone1 6 months ago
@rriverstone1 Oh please, give me a break. You're like all the rest of the rest of the do gooder liberals that denounce the likes of Onate and then commune with nature on a tract of land in the mountains of northern New Mexico and establish an artist colony. Never mind the fact that if it were not for Onate the "peace loving native Americans" (AKA blood thirsty savages) would murder you on the spot while you took in the beauty of the American South West. Viva Don Juan de Onate y Salazar!!!
rrmfg 5 months ago
@rrmfg You make a lot of ASSumptions about folks you are too lazy & stupid to even know. Look me up; I live in circumstances you're too lazy & stupid to comprehend, let alone survive. The "bloodthirsty savages" were the Spanish. You're just a racist loser. By the way, troll, I wasn't talking to you; I was talking to the videographers. So, consider yourself dead to me. I can't abide cowards like you. Hurry up and die; young people need the oxygen.
rriverstone1 5 months ago
This is not the largest equestrian statue in the world, you dont know about the Manuel Tolsa´s equestrian statue of Charles IV in Mexico City, it weights 26 tons, and this one of Juan de Oñate weights 18 tons.
braven117 8 months ago
i dont know what to think of this im half spanish half native
billymaysproductions 10 months ago
It wasn´t a genocide...it was a war...and he won. That´s all.
You know..."cry like a woman what you do not know to defend like a man"
... Spain was a great country...not now...a pity.
Infocaccoo 10 months ago
Thumbs up if you think the statue is wrong and your education on this subject doesn't involve the movie Apocalypto.
crappymatt 11 months ago 3
The statue looks pretty badass. I'm a Mestizo, so I have no emotional investment in this.
Rahab111222 1 year ago
Fucking victimistic Indians/mexicans. Live Spain and Juan de Oñate!
TemerosoDeDios 1 year ago
VIEJO ESTUPIDO! IDIOT OLD MEN!
boysselle 1 year ago
The real heros are the native people who survived those hash times of Colonialism. The 2 million dollars scuplture shoud have went to the people of el paso. Artist was blind to the content of the piece and was fueled the wealthy side of El Paso. History is hard played out the was it did but to be remind with Fourty foot statue is stupid.
ohyeah505 1 year ago
people protest this monument with todays phylosophy of auto-determination of nations but in that time people dont have this sence the objetice is kill, stole and convert the barbarians and this its not only spain...its all european countries look what english people made in africa go study!....and what american genocide in the conquer of the west! this is the spirit of the time people...we canot judge with todays values something that occurs in 300 years...this is how history is made!
legionarymaximiliano 1 year ago
Its because tribes became nations, nations with a few in control make choices for all tribes under them, just like uncle sam. Wake up. strawman.com
bradMi80 1 year ago
And they are so illiterate that write "EL PASO IS NOT SPANISH" when "EL PASO" is precisely an Spanish word meaning "The Pass". How would they said EL PASO in a tribal language? They don´t even know. Just a bunch of clowns.
trokoro 1 year ago
Those guys dressed as fake indians don´t like the freedom of expresion.
trokoro 1 year ago
Ya es hora de que los mexicanos reconozcan que su fundador es Hernán Cortés (por lo menos de los mexicanos que hablan español y/o son cristianos,) y no Moctezuma, de cuya cultura no ha quedado casi nada.
trokoro 1 year ago
Juan de Oñate was the founder of El Paso the same way as Hernán Cortes was the founder of Mexico, Francisco Pizarro was teh founder of Peru, Juan de Garay was the founder of Buenos Aires or Valdivia was the founder of Chile.
Now 98% of Mexicans speak Spanish, have Spanish names and last names and are Christian. So they should honour their Founding Father, Juan de Oñate. They are hypochrites because at the same time they treat full-blood Native Mexicans in Southern Mexico as second class.
trokoro 1 year ago
shame on you!!! shame on you!!!
verdyank 1 year ago
break it down to you, your people are not the only ones, europeans have been through the shit you were throught for centuries, okay you are not the only ones who have suffered. stop trying to get people to feel sorry for you. If they put a manument of a conquistatdor than put one of some famouse ancestor you had, but dont call other people's ancestor criminals because indians were not angels either.
rudenko54 1 year ago
wow this is incredible!!!, so people can worships people like the damn aztecs who where some of the cruelist people ever, wiped out whole tribes just to sarifice them to thier gods but if some people want to put a monument on a european conquistador to show the history of the place then all hell breaks loose. I respect indians but damn you complain a lot. Maybe you should have fought harder and complain less. You are always talking about how bad you had, how much your people suffered. Let me
rudenko54 1 year ago
interesting
BOGZASV8MA 1 year ago
123diagun, maybe you are the one that needs to go back and read about Juan De Oñate and what other conquistadors did to Native Americans and then give out an educated opinion. Then you will understand " what is that about cutting off feet"
bigrocket24 1 year ago
Al menos encuentro algo a favor nuestro allí, la cantidad de estatuas que hay a conquistadores españoles, como la de Juan de Oñate. Que al menos sepan de dónde viene su arquitectura colonial, el rodeo, el arte de la doma, la ganadería, y en definitiva todo lo que es la idiosincrasia del cowboy, que fué algo que se inició con el imperio español en lo que hoy es Estados Unidos
LordBuntaro 1 year ago
@LordBuntaro,NO.......y no solo eso que usted dice,de hecho........."LOS PRIMEROS
EUROPEOS que pisaron la tierra que hoy pertenece a los EU,fueron precisamente "ESPAÑOLES DE PURA CEPA",..........y no precisamente ni los Ingleses,ni los Franceses,ni los Holandeses,ni los Rusos,ni de ninguna,menos aun,otra nacionalidad europea,ve usted lo que le digo?
Londy42 1 year ago
@Londy42
Te podría citar muchos autores, pero cuando tengas tiempo busca por internet " la leyenda negra ", de Tony Horwitz
LordBuntaro 1 year ago
@LordBuntaro,y yo le recomendaria a su vez a usted, un libro que esta "PRECIOSO" por el cual pague yo 40 dolares,pero lo hice con un gusto tremendo cuyo titulo es "Banderas lejanas" de dos bien autorizados y renombrados autores españoles,Fernado Martinez Lainez & Carlos Canales Torres.En ese libro se compila todo el largo proceso de exploracion,conquista,colonizacion y defensa por parte de España del territorio de los actuales EU. de america.
Londy42 1 year ago
@Londy42 tiene muchos varioses nacionalades que es conquistador.
BOGZASV8MA 1 year ago
@LordBuntaro,......de hecho los PRIMEROS EUROPEOS que pisaron la tierra de lo que hoy es los EUA. fueron precisamente ....ESPAÑOLES...,y no Ingleses, Franceses,Holandeses,o Rusos,y menos aun (con mas razon)personas de otras nacionalidades europeas.
Londy42 1 year ago
@Londy42 necesitas educaciones. ruso tiene colonia en califronia antes de espanol. ruso tiene alaska y norte california. youi need to read a book .
BOGZASV8MA 1 year ago
damn that huge how much money was spent
shame could that not been put to provide health care to El Pasoans more books int the public libraries
amaravos 1 year ago
Why would you honer some one who fucked over a whole nation ?! We the Native Children Of The South West will be here long after the the rest of the world has gone to hell in a hand basket !!!!!
lilbear72 2 years ago 6
Bueno, como texano, estoy orgulloso de ese monumento y me paso por los huevos lo que hagan o digan 20 indios pendejos. Ademas el monumento, ha sido realizado con DONACIONES VOLUNTARIAS DEL PROPIO PUEBLO.
alonsodeleonTX 2 years ago
Ya que estamos en esas, propongo que también se construya en Texas, una estatua de Francisco Villa, olvidan los españoles que los estadounidenses les arrebataron sus ultimos dominios de ultramar, Las Filipinas, Guam, Cuba y Puerto Rico, cuando eran un país debil economica y politicamente.
ischixoch 2 years ago
La memoria distingue a los pueblos con nobleza y ganas de prosperar mirando hacia delante. Los españoles recordamos a Galvez y los americanos que nos ayudaron contra los ingleses, no reprochamos la cruel ocupación francesa porque son hermanos mediterraneos, ni siquiera recordamos el saqueo de las casas y negocios españoles y su expulsión de México. Los resentidos, los flojos, los ignorantes...no merecen hermanos, ni identidad, ni futuro. Así ha sido, y será por siempre.
GodofredoDeMiralda 1 year ago
@GodofredoDeMiralda
Los americanos que nos ayudaron a luchar contra los ingleses? No será al reves, que fué nuestra ayuda, la del rey Carlos III, la que fué determinante, junto a los franceses, para que hoy Estados Unidos sea Estados Unidos? Yo creo que es al revés, nosotros les ayudemos a ellos, no ellos a nosotros. Despues nos lo agradecieron, haciendonos una guerra en 1898 e intentando jodernos cada vez que han podido. Hasta auxiliaron a Francia en Normandia, a nosotros no
LordBuntaro 1 year ago
Pues que la construyan...La historia es la historia.
miranda8484 1 year ago
A Mesermitch (ese españolote perdedor), propongo que en Madrid construyan una estatua ecuestre de Napolón Bonaparte y de su hermano Jose Bonaparte (alías Pepe Botella), para que vea que no es bonito elogiar a los invasores de tu país, una cosa es reconocer la herencia hispanica y otra es elogiar a los invasores.
ischixoch 2 years ago
Oye imbecil ¿y que hacen en Usa con la estatua de Abraham Lincoln y los demas presidentes de ese pais? ¿y que hacen con las efigies del Monte Rushmore? en Usa los indios de alli no estan molestando todos los dias con ese tema, y fueron invadidos, masacrados y expulsados a reservas. Ademas ¿que cojones te importara a ti lo que hagan los norteamericanos, los gringos? eso no es Sudacacamerica, los yankees estan orgullosos de la historia y legado que España les dejó.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
Tu si quieres dar por culo y molestar habla de lo que pase en el continente-cloaca que va de Mexico hasta Argentina, ahí suelta toda tu basura, pero a ti no te importa lo que pase en Usa que es un pais aparte. La historia en Usa la escribieron los españoles durante 300 años cuando tu puta mierda de pais no era ni una idea.
Respecto a tener monumentos dedicados a los invasores pues mira ignorante en España tenemos monumentos dedicados a los emperadores romanos, a los arabes y otros
Messermitch73 2 years ago
y muchos otros pueblos que pasaron por la peninsula iberica ¿y sabes que pasa? que no estamos acomplejados de tenerlo porque forman parte de nuestra historia ¿entiendes mono asqueroso tercermundista?
Y ya te gustaria a ti tener el nivel de un "españolete perdedor", ja ja ja tela marinera, que me lo diga alguien de Mexico ---> maras, carteles de la droga, corrupcion, pobreza etc los yankees estan hasta los cojones de vosotros, ratas que eso es lo que sois.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
Tú eres de los que bailan con los trajes de plumas en el Zócalo de México, verdad simio? Preocupate por los temas de tu pais, que está hecho una puta mierda (os podeis meter los 200 años de independencia por dónde os quepan, para lo que os ha servido...) antes que hablar del mio, que te viene bien grande
Anda, chimpancé
LordBuntaro 2 years ago
En España tenemos varias estatuas de caciques indios, y hasta muchas estatuas y calles dedicadas a Simon Bolivar. Paradojas que tiene la vida.
GodofredoDeMiralda 1 year ago
@GodofredoDeMiralda Si Esapaña tiene esos monumentos y calles, fue su decisión (no nuestra), pues eso demuestra que les urge personajes históricos y sacar dinero del herario público, no me salgas con ese argumento baratos, una cosa es la herencia hispanica y el pueblo español, y otra cosa son los falangistas baratos.
ischixoch 1 year ago
?, por supuesto que los falangistas y defensores de la tradición son los más opuestos a mantener estatuas de Bolivar en España, pero se respetan y nadie se siente ofendido hasta el punto en que lo hacen en Hispanoamerica, donde se han tirado y destruido estatuas REGALADAS por España o EEUU. Conoce muy poco lo que es Hª si cree que España necesita personajes historicos latinoamericanos para llenar sus calles. Su herencia es la que usted no respeta para alimentar su odio y xenofobia
GodofredoDeMiralda 1 year ago
@GodofredoDeMiralda Cuando dije que te odio o soy xenofobo, odiarte seria darte importancia, xenofobo, la presencia de tu persona en mi pais no tiene la menos importancia, solo te deportariamos si hubiese una autentica razón y tu sola presenica fisica no es esa razón, si respetan las estatuas que tu dices, ese no es el caso, un autentico personaje histórico no las necesita.
ischixoch 1 year ago
OK, Un personaje historico no necesita las estatuas, ya dijo el insigne historiador peruano Dr.Bustos cuando retiraron la estatua de Pizarro de la Plaza de Armas: "Podeis cambiar la estatua de sitio pero nunca vais a cambiar la Hª " La importancia de mis visitas a Mexico esta relacionada con las inversiones de mi país, 2º en inversiones en México, 1er banco, 1ª eléctrica, etc. Por ello soy muy bien recibido siempre. No procede valorarlas a ningún personaje anónimo en internet
GodofredoDeMiralda 1 year ago
@GodofredoDeMiralda
No jodas
LordBuntaro 1 year ago
Whats' the Big Deal, everyone knows that the Tiguas are from New Mexico? They are NOT from El Paso, Texas.Why don't they just go back to there "real" home land??
fpinon5150 2 years ago
Ya vá imbeciles, hablais de que los españoles fueron unos genocidos pero ¿y los aztecas? los aztecas, mayas etc fueron nas genocidas que nadie ¿o porque cojones creeis que los pueblos pueblos vecinos se aliaron a Hernan Cortes para luchar contra ellos? por mi parte la enhorabuena a la ciudad de El Paso, a Texas y a toda USA por respetar y defender el legado español en aquellas tierras, de Mexico para abajo os podeís pudrir en la mierda.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
primeramente animal la relacion de los aztecas con los indigenas bajo su control fue uno de symbiosis-no uno de genocidia-los espanoles no tieneianintres en co-existir nomas aniqular-no mas de exterminar-nomas los que emportaba poner en esclavitude-ni se compara animal!!
ogamerican 2 years ago
Oye idiota, a mi no me vengas con tonterias, los españoles hicieron lo mismo que otros colonizadores con la diferencia de que no mataron a los indigenas ni que los confinaron en reservas, como hicieron otros. ¿que los aztecas tenian simbiosis con sus pueblos vecinos? JA JA JA que ignorante, los aztecas mataban cada años a muchos de sus vecinos, sobre todo en los sacrificios rituales, por eso se aliaron con Cortes.
Y aprende a escribir, que parece que tengas una polla en la boca.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
@Messermitch73 come caca idiota los otros no lo hicieron por racismo pendejo esa es la pinchi differencia-lo hecieron por poder-la differencia ese cajado racismo todavia lo estan cometiendo hoy en dia-emascarado claro por cobardes! y no decir lo obvio que sigun con las mismas perras ideas. Horita no hay nadia quriendo sacrificar a los dioses antiguos azteca-pero todavia hay idotas besandole las colas alos conquistadores perros, Apende a hblir y luego me cuntas buey!!
ogamerican 2 years ago
ja ja ja no ogamerican, tarado de mierda-comepollas, los aztecas y los incas eran monjitas por eso masacraron a todos los pueblos de su alrededor, ja ja ja ¿cual es la proxima imbecilidad que te vas a inventar? los que apoyan a los conquistadores son gente que aprecian la buena labor que hicieron en aquellas tierras, no son como los mestizos inutiles como tú, que vives en Usa de prestado, alli eres un ciudadano de tercera regional ¿a que si, mestizo asqueroso?
Messermitch73 2 years ago
@Messermitch73
es mas culito en engles dime porque aqui y en todo el mundo ya les patiaron el culo de sus paises a los pinchis espanoles incluyendo-los estados unnidos-inutil!!
ogamerican 2 years ago
Los españoles lucharon por sus colonias y al final no pudieron, es lo que es haber sido un gran imperio, que abarcaba tanto desde Mexico hasta Argentina, el caribe y Asia que imposible defenderlo todo, eso está en la historia, cacho mierda con ojos que no sabes ni de lo que hablas. Al que le patearon su negro y feo culo fué a tí, perdedor tercermundista, que te echaron de tu pais a patadas y ahora no te quieren en USA, excepto para limpiar los retretes de los gringos.
Basura.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
eres un inutil-ponte a trabajar en de vaz de andar hablando caca de una -segun tu-gloria pasada, y que nadien estrano culero!
ogamerican 2 years ago
Eso es lo que tienes que hacer tú, SACO DE MIERDA CON OJOS, ponerte a trabajar y a estudiar, porque no sabes ni escribir.
¿mi gloria pasada? España era algo antes y lo sigue siendo ahora ¿y tu puta mierda de pais, que es? haztelo ver, tercermundista.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
sigues animal ya ni te pela nadia como a los putos espanoles como tu que insisten en que los recuerden-muerete puto!
ogamerican 2 years ago
Pero vamos a ver, monton de mierda, cuando sepas escribir me lo dices mientras tanto vete a tomar por culo ya. Y te llamo mierda para identificarte, que tu no sabes ni lo que eres, desecho social.
Anda y que te empale ya un caballo, gilipollas.
Messermitch73 2 years ago
@Messermitch73
imperialista tipico, no te callas el osico. Siempre quieren tener la ultima palabra-hasta en la historia. Su tiempo paso-y la historia los juzgo-el los hallaron ascerosos!! Nadien te pela ya callate el estupido osico!
ogamerican 2 years ago
ogamerican, vete a trabajar o hazte una paja ... o mejor ¿porqué no te pegas un tiro? mira que le harias un favor al mundo, gilipollas de mierda.
Tenchu73 2 years ago
These communists are trying to subvert History.
patfealy 2 years ago
you are so confused lady-get out of your make believe world! this is the "real real" world!
ogamerican 2 years ago
I'm not sure what to think about this issue. It's very complicated. History is shaded by the people who live it and who write it. Genocide or murder or whatever the case, Its wrong but both sides did it. Native Americans and Spaniards alike. Spaniards through Onate and Native Americans through Pop`e. I think more than anything....we need to focus on NOT letting this happen again instead of arguing who did it worse. As for the statue itself, I wish it were something less politically charged.
BluTwilight8 2 years ago
It wasn't a massacre. 70 Spanish soldiers fought against 2,000 Acoma people barricaded behind the walls of the city on top of the mountain (a city that was presumed to be indestructible). The Acoma knew the Spaniards were coming and were ready and waiting. The soldiers had only their swords, a small cannon and "muchos cojones". The Acoma people fought like angry demons with everything they had. The natives outnumbered the Spaniards by 10 to 1. Genocide? It was an epic battle.
123diagun 2 years ago 2
Cajones? like lying on a you tube blog-of all places- to hid your own racist ideologies behind the mask of supporting past racists-get real-hypocrite. At least have the wearwithall to go out and get a mask and cross like real racists do!!
ogamerican 2 years ago
The Acoma natives are just playing with history by changing many of the facts (what is that about cutting off feet???) to gain easy support and sympathy from people who know nothing about history. But it is very simple to understand. If the Spanish were so cruel and evil, how is it possible that the Acoma people and so many other native Americans tribes are still alive and were allowed to keep their culture, religion and traditions?
123diagun 2 years ago 2
its undisputable he gave the order and was found guilty-liar liars, history has judged live it it, racists bastards!
ogamerican 2 years ago
@123diagun the fact that a few ~300 managed to survive, does nothing to disprove that Juan de Onate did not cut off several of the feet of his enemies.
Also their culture and religion is a shadow of what it once was. Compare the Ysleta indians of Texas to those of New Mexico.
Blademaster865 1 year ago
@123diagun,if you let me answer you about your last question,let me tell you something that,maybe,you don't know.I am from Cuba,see?,I am cuban,and,in my country,like in the rest on the Caribean islands,as bigger antillas as the smaller antillas,as well as the Lucayas and Bahamas group,in they all the native population (indians) were nearly EXTERMINATED in only 100-150 years....
Londy42 1 year ago
@Londy42 the armenian were exterminated by the muslim ottoman turks in the 1920s. like 2 million.
BOGZASV8MA 1 year ago
@123diagun well the spanish produced spanish speaking indigenous people not english . and they also did many thing in contradiction to their religious faith like rape and murder. where do you think mestizo comes from ?
BOGZASV8MA 1 year ago
@123diagun I guess the nazis and the slave owners were not such bad guys after all cus the ppl they harmed are still here also their culture.
chikawak 1 year ago
Wow, is all i have to say on some of the colorful responses. My take on Onate is that its a symbol and celebration to a man who murdered pueblo people during the time of colonization because he was hungry and cut off the foot of every man within the communities. This statue symboilzes what colonization did to the people and what its still doing to pueblos.
Why build a statue worth millions when that money could be utilized to better the community of El paso? take it as you please...
hopigirl 2 years ago
hopigirl, the thing is, is that this whole notion of onate going around and cutting off feet is not ture, at best its a accidental mistranslation, at worst it was a blatant lie, what happend was a spanish trading party was attacked and that party retaliated, onate himself was no even there at the time he was in san juan, his nehpew however was killed in that battle, after which the spanish held a trail.
ssszar 2 years ago
trial*, the reason that trial took place was because onate need to find out what did and did not happen, and given the testimony of the spanish and also the people of acoma, onate found only twenty or so ment guilty and only a few of them had the toes cut off not the feet as is the american myth, those men were then sentenced to servitude, so what good would a one footed servent be?, also take into account we have not found any native remains from that time with missing feet,
ssszar 2 years ago
the whole myth of onate going in and cutting off 800 feet and buring the whole pueblo is not in anyway historical, now we look at the issue of pop'e who would drive out the spanish during the pueblo revolt, he is responsible for the death of farmers priests women and children, and yet when the placed a statue of him in washington dc of all places, no hispnaic group complained about that, even though he was tyrant who was later killed by his own people.
ssszar 2 years ago
but what this issue goes to for me as a hispanic new mexican, is this just more proof of the anti spanish and anti mexican bias in the united states, when they conqured this area , they say a singluar mexican culture which was and is a combination of old world spanish and native american culture, we were marrying eachother, baptising our children together it was on culture, what did was put the indians of reservations and told the hispanic population dont go there anymore.
ssszar 2 years ago
so now today we have problem of hispanics going around not caring about the native population here, the native population not caring about the hispanic population, we have become polorized to one another, and the americans are going around here saying ee hehe look at the three cultures of new mexico, which is nonsense, before the american there was one culture here, not 3 not 59, but thats a problem with democracy, all it will ever do is divide people.
ssszar 2 years ago
Oñate genocide?Continue chewing herbs.The very first time i listen a catalan saying that is spanish.You are a resentful indian who deceive nobody.
curziomalatesta 2 years ago
I love the way you think I am indian, soy Catalan, mas espanol quen onate
Rioonbicycle 3 years ago
for speaking the truth. Even the Spanish admit how wrong they are about this entire genocide
Rioonbicycle 3 years ago
rioon, if your going to call onate a murderer i would like to know who he murdered? then i want you to cite that source. secondly what genocide are you speaking of?
ssszar 3 years ago
the death of 60-80 million native americans. ah forget it, this is stupid fighting with close minded people
Rioonbicycle 3 years ago
wow rioon, that is the best you have is to call me close minded,your the one who is going to claim onate killed 60 to 80 million people?, or are you instead not going to answer the question and skirt the issue of saying the spanish in general killed that many, let look at a few things, there is still a large population of native americans here today, there were probably not 80 mil here at that time, most of the spanish and native population intermarried,and those that did die died from a disease
ssszar 3 years ago
a disease the spanish could not control, but was overcame quickly by the native population, now they are like everyone else, largely immune to that disease thats how you over come these diseases, its the only way, why do you think when we get a flue shot we inject the flu virus into our bloodstream.the death of a large portion of native americans would have died due to disease regardless of weither itw as the spanish, african or asian who had arriaved here first.
ssszar 3 years ago 2
I am proud to see the northamericans recognised the influence of spanish conquistadores. Oñate is a HERO!
EuropeDefender 3 years ago
He was a murderer.
Rioonbicycle 3 years ago
This monument has nothing to do with Europeans,or rich white people. Onate was born on what is now Mexican soil. Onate is Mestizaje. This monument is dedicated to the first wave of hispanic migration into what is now the USA. Everyone faught 26 generations ago....Pueblo vs Pueblo.....Apache vs Pueblo..Respect that you cry baby indians.you killed plenty of your own.... RESPECT OUR CULTURE!
Indio411 3 years ago
You are a moron, Oñate was born of spanish settlers so he was a spanish, the fucking soil have nothing to do against racial myth.
Odal 3 years ago 3
peace and peace statues is what the people want : )
SHAMANDREAMKEEPER 3 years ago
You brave people better first sue the Brits if you dare, so after that you could perhaps criticize the spaniards. Enough.
WinnieThePosh 3 years ago
the reason this statue went up is because onate is an important historical figure to this area, and needs to be remembered for what he actually did and not of what the black legend says he did,to compare onate to hitler is ludacris. sorry about my spelling, succeeded*, common*
ssszar 3 years ago
The black legend had its origins on real acts of cruelty witnessed by many, not just De las Casas! Just take a look at the Caribbean islands today, COMPLETELY DEPLETED of any native people. Hmm? An anihilation of an entire group of people? Where have I heard that before? Oh! I remember! HITTLER! Look, just because you have ties to a particular country does not mean that you have to be blind to what happened in the past or what happens today, specially the wrongdoings to our fellow human beings.
chukurulugai 3 years ago
the reason there are so few natives in the carribean today is for the same reason there are not so many natives in the former spanish colonies on the main land, those reasons being disease and intermarrige. the black legend has its roots in protestant england and protestant holland, at the time the protestants were having their asses handed to them all over europe by catholic spain and the holy roman empire, they couldnt beat them so they stated to make up stories
ssszar 3 years ago
I've read books published in Spain about the conquest, so I understand why you are in such denial about the actions of your compadres. The tourists that your country sent were a bunch murdering theives! And by the way, Spain was defeated permanently as a world power by the British when it destroyed the "invinsible armada" The black legend was made black by Spain, not protestants!Just ask latin americans and Indians today what they think of Spain. They know, and they remember!
chukurulugai 3 years ago
ive also read books about the spanish conquest of the new world,again your wrong as always, spains aramada was deafeated by the english however the spanish empire endured for several hundred years after that.again you believe protestant propaganda,as a latin american myself as a mestizo myself i can tell you i dont have any problem with spain or the spanish people,as for the indians, which ones, the ones who were fighting side by side with the spanish against the comanche?
ssszar 3 years ago
They remember? They must be very old indeed...
Philhelm 3 years ago
spain was neutral during ww2, had they not been spain would have been invaded by the allies and had they succedeeded there then the invasion of normandy would not have happened,the blue division and the blue squadron were spanish volunters who went to fight the bolsheviks, not out of favor of the nazis but due to a coomon enemy in russia
ssszar 3 years ago
The Blue division wore NAZI uniforms with Nazi directives, and a quick stop in Germany to get their instructions to fight the Russians. Franco was reluctant to help the Nazis, but he did anyway. Besides, the word NEUTRAL implies NO INVOLVEMENT of any kind. Sending troops, workers, and helping to kill the Jews is NOT the definition of NEUTRAL!Franco was a fascist, just like Mussolini, Stallin and Hittler. I have a feeling that with you Spain has never done anything wrong.
chukurulugai 3 years ago
no your wrong, the blue division did not wear NAZI uniforms, they were not members of the nazi party they were Wehrmacht soldiers, standard german army, not nazis they wore the wehrmacht uniform,your going to sit there and say stalin was a fascist, he was a communist, has spain done bad things in the past sure, but nowhere on the level of other european powers.
ssszar 3 years ago
You are hanging on to points about Spanish involment that miss the point and contradict this whole conversation. First, you declare Spain's neutrality, period. Then I show you that Spain was not toatally neutral(blue division)Then you use the word "volunteer", I show you that they wore German(Nazi)uniforms.Now you argue that they did not belong to the Nazi party? That's not the point at all!WAS SPAIN TOTALLY NEUTRAL? Answer: Claro que no!Did the Spanish help the Nazis? Answ: CLARO QUE SI!
chukurulugai 3 years ago
Anglos defending dead Spaniards? Sure they are both Europeans, but come on!If they are in the mood for statues, why not one of Hittler? Or better yet, build a really huge statue of a native american hero from the Texas area, that way everyone will be happy. And while we are at it, why not a statue of me, I'm a pretty cool guy!
chukurulugai 3 years ago
Spain was not neutral during WW2. Spain actually sent the so called "Blue division" to fight in Russia in favor of the Nazis. Also, Spaniards rounded up Jews and Gypsys to be taken to Nazi concentration camps in eastern Europe. Spain sent workers to Nazi Germany and sent materials to help Germany. Remember that Franco(the dictator of Spain) won the civil war in his country with the help of the Nazis, so the strong ties were there. Also, Spain harbored Nazis after the war.
chukurulugai 3 years ago
Pinches racistas pendejos creidos.
C00LArrows 3 years ago
en vez de remeter tanto contra los conquistadores españoles, ir contra los británicos y contra los expolidadores del oeste (gral. Custer y compañía) pero que pasa que como son norteamericanos ello no pecaron, anda mentirosos
CRIPTANEN 3 years ago
Yankee? Más bien hueles a su da ca
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
Yeah while you're wearing your faggoty ass louie vatons, you spanish cock sucking prick.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
You should have more humility,yankee.United States, the country with the most brutal police in the world (whose icon is the New York Police, with crimes toward ethnic minorities);the country of the Ku Klux Klan, Minutemen,Aryan Nations, White Power; the country that kidnaps and tortures people of other countries;a country that invades and murders for petroleum; a country that recently it hung or burned to the black ones...You should have more humility and you should be embarrassed,stupid yankee
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
You know what arised from that?
You missed the Black Panthers, the Truth Organizers, the Anti-Racial movements.
Our country's GOVERNMENT (listen carefully, because the shit stuck in your head is getting to your ears fucking embicil) has taken these measures through suppresion of this & other countries, and sheeple like yourself who don't wake up continue to live in the grasp of despotism by means of secrecy, should I remind you AGAIN of the EUROPEAN UNION you dog?!
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Oh and let me add this:
Who saved who during the Nazi Regime? Exactly motherfucker.
Look, we have had anti-segregation movements, anti-discriminatory movements (MLK, Cesar Chavez, et. al.), workers right movements, etc. and have given MORE during the 20th century than ANY OTHER CONTINENT in the WORLD! ..and Spain? Nothing... I can bet you Spain has much more racism & discrimination than here in America.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
I'll take that bet, dumbass. Spain is a much more homogeneous society than the US, so therefore there can't be as much racial tension there.
Oh, one more thing. The US didn't save Spain from the Nazi regime, idiot. Spain was NEUTRAL in that war. Spain and Germany have never waged war against each other and they never will. The US might have saved France and Britain from the Germans, but not Spain. Spain was never threatened by the Germans.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
..because THEIR IS NO OTHER FUCKING RACE OTHER THAN SPANISH, AND THUS EUROPEAN NATIONS...
Spain would rather bow on their knees for a facist
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
The point that I'm making is that you are stupid.
At first you imply that the US saved Spain from Germany. This utterly false statement clearly demonstrates your historical ignorance and lack of education.
Spain remained neutral during WWII, which was an incredibly smart thing to do.
Join the most destructive war in all history to fight your own friends?
No thank you.
We like Germans. We always did.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
It was a German weaponsmith's guild that established the Toledo foundry which armed the Conquistadors that defeated the Moors and brought European civilization to the Americas.
For that, German weaponsmiths get my appreciation for all time.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
Haha! Nice.
Philhelm 3 years ago
Spain was not neutral. Do research on the "Blue division" sent to fight in Russia on behalf of the Nazis. Also check on the workers sent to Germany to help the Nazis, and the round up of Jews and Gypsys to be delivered to the Germans, plus the harboring of Nazis after the war. By the way, the neo-nazis have their biggest numbers in Spain. Why? because of the Nazi legacy from the civil war in the 30's. Learn your history hommy!
chukurulugai 3 years ago
The Blue Division was made up of volunteers that WANTED to fight the Russians. Citizens of a neutral country can join the armies of belligerent countries without endangering the neutrality of their home country. There were also, British, American, and Canadian volunteers in the German army.
Also, Spain never deported anyone to German-occupied Europe. On the contrary, Spain had an open-door policy for refugees fleeing the Germans.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
Cite your source on that one, dumb shit.
Franco never deported anyone to Hitler's camps. According to ALL the histories that I am aware of, Franco had an open-door policy towards ANYONE fleeing Hitler's Europe. Jews, gypsies, and even Allied POWs were given safe harbor once they reached Spain. Gypsies were allowed to stay, Jews were sent to America, and allied soldiers were sent to Britain.
There is a monument to Franco in Tel Aviv, Israel to commemorate the 60k Jews that Franco helped.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
No, you should just be glad that we're not after you...yet... ;)
Philhelm 3 years ago
Elmeromero1...
You should be embarrassed, stupid yankee. If it is not for the military help of Spain and France, today United States would not exist, it would continue being a colony of Great Britain. And by the way, you forget than big part of your country one day belonged to the Crown of Spain.
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
Get the fuck out of here you jackass, i'll NEVER be embarrased of what i've said because for a fact i've been told I can shred people, and those who abide by stupidity & arrogance to bits in seconds.
Now, to answer your question, sure it did, but your Spanish 'colonizers' (ahem, murderers..) STILL owed royalty to whom? Guess... ENGLAND!
La tuya puto, because for all I know, we're STILL NOT a union unlike the now European Union, because we won't die off like Spanish dogs.
You NWO scum.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Spaniards = Rats on the planet
Elmeromero1 3 years ago 2
Yes, we are rats, for that reason the communities of spaniards they are appreciated in United States and in many other countries, while the communities of hispanics (mexicans, bolivians, ecuadorians, peruvians, argentineans, etc) are source of problems and lacks of respect and adaptation.
Messermitch 3 years ago
LOL sure, too bad you're outnumbered.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Hispanics are Spaniards....idiot!
That is, Spaniards that were born and continue to occupy the Indigenous peoples continent "Americas".
Don't try to divide us European (white) people into a racial construct....because WE are White, Hispanics, Latinos, Gringos, etc.....but we're still European (white)! And not Mexicans, Bolivians, Ecuadorians...."Nationalities"...B*ll Sh*t labels!
We're EUROPEANS (WHITE)....PERIOD!
Don't be ashamed of what our ancestors did!
Dangerdoom68 3 years ago
Leave you of stupidities. In USA, spaniards they are the inhabitant of Spain (Europe) and Hispanic is from Mexico to Argentina.
Messermitch 3 years ago
Don't be ashamed? Killing off the MOST influential civilizations, etc. by forms of ambush, and distraught illnesses is something to be proud of then let it not be said that the Europeans mark has been set in MANY a lands!
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
...it's in the past!
You act like there's a large Indigenous population in the "Americas", in as little as 100 years they will ALL become extinct...look around...many Indigenous "Native American" females are marrying males of foreign descent: Afro Africans, Europeans, etc., and making babies. They're contributing to their own GENOCIDE (rational they call it love!). I You've witnessed it. It proves that they don't care about their Indigenous bloodline: unpure blood = self Indigenous suicide.
Dangerdoom68 3 years ago
Sure why not.
Unfortunately for them, they've been placed between a wall and a sword, and you seem to say it as if they have a VAST majority population of males, aswell as you say that outer racial affairs causes unpure blood, true & not true, true, because these bloods become interbred with thus another culture/etc. and not true, due to the fact that the bloodline/gene is still their whether or not. I don't understand your lust towards the elmination of the indiginous tribes.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Motherfucker, have you no sense of humility? Atleast the fucking germans have a sense of historical humility but you don't seem to have any. Fuck your art, if it weren't for the ENGLISH you wouldn't have had the Renassaince. For one, revolutionaries sure don't come out of Spain, my friend.
If eliminating great & vast civilizations that enveloped themselves through means of knowledge, and bio-appreciation, & stabbing a stake of absurdness, & greed is something to be proud of, then be ashamed.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
To speak with stupid as you is as speaking to the wall, simply because of entrance you hate to Spanish for that reason, only because it is Spanish then one can no longer reason in no way. Hypocrite of what humility you speak me? you who it is for to judge to a whole nation? all the nations of the world have had their good things and their bad things but apparently of Mexico to Argentina only see the bad things of Spain and not the failure that you are as countries.
Messermitch 3 years ago
...The tenticles of spain and thus countries ARE the one's who f-d up these governments, you realize that don't you. Banking cartels, does that ring a bell?
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Secondly, can you possibly construct a proper sentence in response this time?
..the humility I speak of are your ancestors such as Cortez, Ponce de Leon, and thus 'gold-lust' expeditioners. Plus, i'll judge a fucking continent if I can, I simply have to decipher it's moralities, and such.
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Plus, on the good side, if you wanted to know about the positive of Spain, then you came to the WRONG section moron, obviously I wasn't acknowledging their brilliance on this topic stupid!
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
One more thing before I go, and i'll ask you this, are you proud of a heritage that PROFOUNDLY enveloped, & THRIVED themselves, towards means of conquering without consent, and via means of genocidal, & religious puposes?
..Sound familiar...
Oh wait!
That's George Bush!
I understand one's nationality should be taken in pride, but in means of defence towards offences, that my friend, is repulsive.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Well, actually, I am proud.
Philhelm 3 years ago
elmerromero, good spanish surname you have there.
ssszar 3 years ago
Spanish word dumbass
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
That's proper revolt!
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Peace to all on both sides of the Issue, but this is Insult to Injury to Native PPL...We Native PPL have the Crazy Horse Monument, the largest Monument in the World, that towers over the Don Juan de Oñate statue...Don Juan was no different than Custer.
LakotaNative21 3 years ago
And you remembers, piece of yankee shit, that almost three fourth parts of your country belonged to the Spanish Crown. We were the first cowboys, we implant the horse, the taming, the equestrian art, the rodeo, the cattle raising, the agriculture (for example the citric fruits) and the colonial architecture in norteamerica, when your country nor existed. You are not nobody to give me lessons, we don't kill for petroleum
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
United States until having entered in the second half of the XIX century was a mediocre and stupid country. Non thanks to England, thanks to the European migrations made progress your country your country. In that time countries like Mexico, Cuba or Argentina they were more prosperous than United States. By the way, the India and republics of Africa that were colonies British today are poor countries
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
2) if it is not for Spain and France than helped military and economically to your country, today your country would be a colony of Great Britain. By the way, if you don't live in my country to know which is our technology, better you closes your stupid mouth full of shit, that is repugnant that you make in the hospitals of your country, you allow people to die. Here the sanity is gratuitous. In your country if you don't have money, you die. This if that is repugnant
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
TheRealCritique...
1) to think that Latin America is Spain is as erroneous as to think that all the South Americans are mestizo, and there are white South American women (Edith Gonzalez, Ana Colchero or Claudia Ramirez) more white and more European than many women of your country
LordBuntaro 3 years ago
The Spanish catholic culture was a foul invasive religious murder culture in the past, and its still rotten today. Look at the lack of education in Mexico and Latin America. All they care about is breeding and low-tech work and crime. The native culture was miles above the Spanish and white cultures, and at least the English had the support of education to progress and become the strongest economy in the world. What have the Spanish done? Basically nothing. Good painters and guitar players.
TheRealCritique 3 years ago
See this manifestation of indifference to the legitimate protests of Native Americans makes me very angry. John Houser has created a monster, honoring Juan de Oñate dishonours civilization, democracy, and pays tribute to violence, rapes, killing again the Peoples Native Americans. I am glad that I Native Americans have said "shame" in the face to these people accomplices of these crimes committed in history on the skin of innocent people, guilty only to exist.
aprofeti 3 years ago
Viva España la Madre Patria!!
check out the videos from user tercioss
sangre de conquistadores
and
Spanish World Tour
falsator 3 years ago
You're culture is a sham, fuck spain.
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
Shut up shit with eyes, the Spaniards at least we have history, culture, art... an origin, and thanks to the spaniards your country exists. You toss to the blame to the Spaniards that after 200 years of independence you continue being poor countries and full with corruption.
Messermitch 3 years ago
Motherfucker no.
You're country has been fucked as ours has, "constitutional" monarchy's are as pointless as they get, ALL global governments are puppets, and THAT'S the point you missed. Yet again, no motherfucker, Spain isn't going to get saved, or spared, during the One World order envelopement...all I say now is that Spain has had the lube in the ass for a while now, so you'd better thank the "third world" when it defaults.
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherete the earth"
Elmeromero1 3 years ago
SHAME!
virgy56 3 years ago 2
what people seem to forget is that onate was responsible for negotiating peace treaties with the pueblos and also was the first to call forth a council of pueblos in 1598, the acoma were opposed to peace and attacked both the spanish and other native americans, the spanish and pueblos retaliated and took acoma prisoners. this is where the myth of the cutting off of feet started. this comes from a miss-translation, it was the cutting off of the tip of the toe.
ssszar 3 years ago
Im not surprised that the whites support eueropean genocidal monsters like Hernan Cortes, Pizzarro and in this case being Juan de Onate... FUCK SPAIN AND FUCK THEIR ARRIVAL ON THIS LAND.
LaSantaMuerte 3 years ago 2
oh yes and the aztecs and mayans were saints i guess, why do you think most of the natives in mexico sided with the cortez when he went to fight the aztecs, you know why native american culture still survies in this part of the world is because of the spanish, look what happend when the english moved in and what they did, and look how many mixed spanish and native american people there are here aswell.
ssszar 3 years ago
fonemic transcription "sheim on iu, sheim on iu, sheim on iu" ... "wi ar recognaizzzin e pieriod in jistori for jandrid iars egou dat wos eeheeeh verrri vaiolent, bat it wos olsou a pieriod ov thhaim wen niu teknoloshi wos introdiust tu wot was den cold niu méksikou" bum bum bum bum senkiu senkiu senkiu mister
nandasarthou 3 years ago
BRING THAT STATUE DOWN!!!!!!!!
cooldogdude 3 years ago
Dare to demolish it you ..... or is it that only you has the too big mouth?
Messermitch 3 years ago
to messermitch, i dont got time and money to set a campaing to bring that fucker down and if I did there are alot more concerns to deal with aside from that statue so it will have to be to someone else to do it or me in the future and if your gonna shit talk my comment then do something about it or you will be what you are calling me a !!BIG MOUTH!!! either way you know you cant do anything about it you stupid "big mouth" dumb ass!!!
cooldogdude 3 years ago
Listen me STUPID: leave me of foolishness. And I repeat it to you, if you have courage, you destroy that statue. And if not, you closes your damned big mouth.
Messermitch 3 years ago
¿porqué será que la gran mayoría de los estadounidenses ven con buenos ojos a los conquistadores españoles? posiblemente es porque trabajan, son cultos, tienen futuro y miran por su futuro y saber aprecir las cosas buenas que España dejó en América, por eso cuando te vas a al oeste de USA te encuentras nombres españoles por todas partes.
A los otros, a los que critica les diria que si no les gusta lo que ven, que se larguen a sus paises y traten de erradicar el idioma español de alli.
Messermitch 3 years ago
hey sabes que ese? CHINGA TU MADRE... La unica razon porque yo hablo espanol y tengo un nombre espanol es porque tus parientes animales hijos de puta llegaron a mexico y todo valio madre... que chinguen a su madre cortes, pizzarro, columbus, andrew jackson y todos los europeos hijos de puta que violaron y mataron a mis ancestros.
FUCK YOU AND FUCK SPAIN.
LaSantaMuerte 3 years ago 3
A ver muerto/a de hambre, y digo muerto de hambre porque que arrastrarte con el rabo entre las piernas a Estados Unidos: la historia es asi y no la vs a cambiar tú. Posiblemente si no llegara Cortés a esas tierras tu estarías con taparrabo y serías sacrificado en cualquier torre azteca o maya, así que dale las gracias a los españoles de que puedas hablar un bonito idioma y una cultura.
¿tus ancestros? ¿que coño vas a saber tú quienes eran tus ancestros? deja ya de decir tonterias, anda.
Messermitch 3 years ago