What this basically boils down to as I read not only the comments on your videos, but the comments that I get on mine as well, is this. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE SO TO HELL WITH HIM AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO LIKES HIM.
HE DOESN'T USE MY REASONING OR UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES THE WAY THAT I DO SO TO HELL WITH HIM AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO THINKS LIKE HIM.
This is the sad, thing. and neither one of those thought processes are of CHRIST.
@derocdero What I've come to understand is that no matter what, people are going to believe what they want to. You can present them with all types of evidence, but if it goes against what they already believe, you will have a hard time having a practical discussion.
It's like how the character Huey felt in that episode of The Boondocks "The Trial of R. Kelly" where he says. "I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won."
Neither cast ye your pearls before swine. The swine were also unclean. They would have no use for pearls, and perhaps would rush upon those who scattered the pearls. So, too, there are men so dull, imbruted and senseless, as to reject the pearls of truth. It is our duty to help and to try to save others, but we must use common sense.
I have come to the conclusion that no matter what is said or shown to you that you are going to support Jay Z so I am done wasting my time. I believe that even if Jay came out tommorow and admitted he worships the devil and that is how he got his success that you would still defend him. I'll leave you with this. Isaiah 5:20 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
@trendsetter74 One Isaiah doesn't apply here since I'm not denying that Jay-Z is a sinner in need of Jesus. I'm saying that your conclusion that he's a satanist is bunk. One does not have to be a satanist in order to be in sin and in need of Jesus. I don't come to your conclusions because I have no basis to do so.
@derocdero I agree with trendsetter74. Jay-Z has made a conscious choice to worship the devil by sing lyrics about him, wear clothing that speaks of Satanic theology, use symbolism in videos, and hand gestures that represent Satanic belief. This isn't coincidence, these are choices he is making everyday. Matthew 12:24 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Jay-Z is communicating this language out to the masses.
@derocdero en's language discovers what country they are of, likewise what manner of spirit they are of. The heart is the fountain, words are the streams. A troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring, must send forth muddy and unpleasant streams. Nothing but the salt of grace, cast into the spring, will heal the waters, season the speech, and purify the corrupt communication. An evil man has an evil treasure in his heart, and out of it brings forth evil things. Lusts and corruptions,
@derocdero dwelling and reigning in the heart, are an evil treasure, out of which the sinner brings forth bad words and actions, to dishonour God, and hurt others. Let us keep constant watch over ourselves, that we may speak words agreeable to the Christian character.
@derocdero "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Give not that which is holy unto dogs. The dog was regarded an unclean animal by the Jewish law. They probably represent snarling, scoffing opposers. The characteristic of dogs is brutality. To try to instill holy things into such low, unclean, and sordid brutal minds is useless.
@derocdero Neither cast ye your pearls before swine. The swine were also unclean. They would have no use for pearls, and perhaps would rush upon those who scattered the pearls. So, too, there are men so dull, imbruted and senseless, as to reject the pearls of truth. It is our duty to help and to try to save others, but we must use common sense.
Common sense tells me that Jay-Z has already made his choice so MC Hammer has come with the brutal truth. Jay-Z has already been running from the truth
@derocdero I agree. We all need Jesus. No matter who it is, we was all born into sin, and Jesus is the only answer. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. Jesus did not condemn the sinners, but the Pharisees. The sinners are already condemned for not having Jesus, they need our love through Jesus. Like that song, they will know we are Christians "Christ Like" by our love.
Hammer could of made a major come back at least I think so If he kept his mouth shut and jumped on the song Ross made about him Instead he only makes Ross song more relevant and helped Jay sell his book cuz now everyone wants to know what Jay said about Hammer in the book and watch Ross video name after Hammer its all promotional marketing
The MC Hammer predicament goes like this Rick Ross was just on stage singing his song MC Hammer with MC Hammer on stage with him at the awards Then Jay dissed Hammer on apallled Now instead of Hammer being smart and jumping on the song Ross made using his name and just spit a verse He decides to go after Jay When just a few mos. prior MC Hammer was saying Jay was the greatest But being the buffoon we all know lost 30 mil He let Jay and Ross use him to promote there projects Ross video Jay book
I feel what you're sayin' and you're 100% on the money, BUT whatever "moved" Hammer to do his RUN RUN video, LET IT BE THE REASON!! Because as a result people are INTERESTED! And maybe, JUST maybe... someone out there will see the light at the end of the tunnel. We, as Christians are responsible for spreading the GOSPEL. Maybe the video should have been titled Better Come Come ('for its too late!) LOL! In any event, I feel Hammer on this and your point is WELL Taken!
Now moving on slightly, when you do a video on tithing and how it's not biblical in the sense it is used today then I'd love to be included in that discussion.
@derocdero I find that with the wealth of false teachings going on within the Body of Christ is far more worth defending and exposing than worrying about Jay, tithing as a new covenant command or model is NOT supported by scripture and is being used to pimp people because of greed. There is plenty of proof of that, it starts with scripture.
@HannielTV You have no proof JayZ hasn't repented I have no proof he has repented But the difference between you and me is I believe in Jesus power that he can save anybody who calls on his name Since a song has made all these false accusations come about Its only right to have a song end them Tell the truth before I told you about the song "I'm on the rock" you never heard of that song did you You don't have to lie I know you did'nt and thats my point They don't expose songs like that Why not?
@2965islyfegodfrey your fruit gives you away, i wish cruz would rebuke you as he does everyone e. I have not lied nor can you say I am a hypocrite based on anything I have stated. you are making a weak assumption because I refuse to answer your question, which makes you a liar for falsely accusing me. I offer you no ammo and calling me names is uncalled for and unchristlike-christian
@HannielTV How can you refuse to answer a question you say makes no sense If you are refusing to answer the question that would mean you understood it and it made sense But you claim I am accusing you falsely of being a lying hypocrite In respect for brother derocdero comment section I will let you slide on the name calling situation as far as fruit you reap what you sow and as long as you spread hate,lies,and false accusations You too will receive the same SYAD I'm done
@2965islyfegodfrey Sir, sense you act as if you have forgotten your question was had I heard the song, the rest of your rants are what made no sense because they are baseless. You are mixing so much stuff together you can't even keep up with what you're talking about. I have sown nothing that requires a professing Christian to spew the type of garbage that come from your mouth to justify your immature and ungodly actions, the best thing to do is apologize for that which I know you want do. Repnt
@HannielTV Whatever dude you 1 of those guys who think if you get the last word you won some sort of prize 1st you say I make no sense 2nd you say you refuse to answer my question cuz it made no sense to you but you did understand the question 3rd now after your refusals and lies that my question made no sense to you you answer the question get a life playboy all I can apologize for is your stupidity for that I feel very sorry for you from the bottom of my heart move around dawg PEACE
@2965islyfegodfrey Yeah, I think you're taking this too far. I don't remember HannielTV ever saying that Jesus CAN"T save Jay-Z. Please refrain from name calling.
@HannielTV The idea that false teachings going on within the Body of Christ is far more worth exposing than worrying about Jay. That's not Biblical. Moreover, Justice and fairness is just as much important to God as correct doctrine. Matter a fact, how we treat people whether in the faith or unbelievers, is a doctrine. Jesus wasn't just in the Temples, he was also out and about among sinners often time defending them against the legalism and self righteousness of the pharisees.
@derocdero I believe cleaning the house up is more important than worrying about what Jay is or is not doing, exposing false teachers and doctrine is more important than if Jay is or is not participating in the occult because Jay is not saved. I don't discredit defending the truth or the down trodden whether they are saved or not but in the case of Jay Z who is being exposed by Christians and non christian alike I find it less an issue than false teachings. Plus, I believe Jay is involved.
@HannielTV Well, if that's the case, that's what I'm doing "cleaning the house up," since I'm addressing Christians and think they're off in stigmatizing Jay-Z with their mob mentality. My videos are more about Christians than about Jay-Z. Jay-Z is but a microcosm of a larger problem in the Church which is an old problem which ironically started with white Christian missionaries. I'm speaking of the problem of attempting to speak on something without properly exegating the situation.
@derocdero the problem is you feel people don't know but they do. Again, you group the sensationalism with that which is not so you are missing the whole because of it. Also, is Hammer saved? If he is what has his fruit looked like? People are entitled to their opinion when they have information to draw a conclusion but you have made people who have looked at the information, some good and some bad and basically called them a pack of liars and lynch mob.
@HannielTV You are part of a witch hunt whether its directly or indirectly. Witch hunts have to be fed and it doesn't matter if its fed with truth or falsehood. That has been one of my points in all my videos. Jesus defended an adulterous woman who was rightly accused from a lynch mob ready to stone her. My second point was that all of the accusations are poor and weak and has led to erroneous conclusions. You have not offered anything different.
@derocdero I am not trying to kill Jay z nor am I hunting him or trying to prove he is involved. It not an issue for me in trying to prove anything, my concern is the disregard for valid evidence, period. No one is trying to stone Jay and I don't care if he admits it or denies it, not an issue for me. You said there a other plausible conclusions yet present this conclusions as if it's the only one that is not plausile which to me make no sense, it is plausible, even if incorrect. That's my point
@HannielTV When I speak of a witch hunt its not literally a witch hunt as in the Salem Trials. I don't think jay-Z will be literally stoned although there are crazy people in this world that might just attempt to kill Jay-Z if they really think he was possessed by demons. Kind of like Christians killing abortionists. In regards to plausibility, no, not all explanations are plausible. Possibilities are but possibilities have to be explained and frankly, none of them have been plausible.
@derocdero Christians killing abortionist should repent or else they aren't christians. I agree some people probably would make an attempt but no christian should be. I'm sure Jay loves the attention he has been getting, keeps his income coming in.
@derocdero some of us have looked at the information and kept it moving. we aren't lynching him or even concerned about what he is doing because we understand he is a pawn that is being used to usher the masses just as these false teachers, to accept the coming lawless man.
What do you think of Beyonce' the christian wearing baphomet dress?
@HannielTV Well, I think of a Beyonce wearing a Baphomet dress. You mean to ask, what do I conclude? Well, I look at all possible explanations and see what conclusions can right follow. Have you interviewed the photographer and asked him what he thought? What did Beyonce think? Who was the ad catering to?
@derocdero well, my understanding is it was in her album cover. Yet, it's a baphomet dress, if you got to ask a whole bunch of question as to why a christian is wearing a baphomet dress then what's the point. You see stuff that is in your face and you go out of your way to ignore it and say it is a ridiculous conclusion so with that there is nothing else really to say. I will end with this, it's plausible they both are apart of the occult world and leading many down that road.
@HannielTV No, it wasn't an album cover. Ignore what? What do you want me to conclude from seeing a picture with Beyonce wearing a Baphomet dress? BTW, assuming we're talking about the same thing, it was not a dress but a piece of a motorcycle. There is a pic of her juxtaposing her innocent look with a more radical look and some have said that that is mimicking the devil. But, what should I conclude here?
@HannielTV Thus, as the white missionaries commented on non-white culture apart from understanding the culture so do many of these non-hip hop/rap cats do to Jay-Z and hip hop in general.
@derocdero this isn't about hip hop so that's not an issue here. that's a cop out because it isnt the issue with Jay, it maybe for some but with everything people attach themselves to things even if they don't fully understand it. Some for hate and some for love of it.
@HannielTV It is indirectly about hip hop. Many of the misinformation has to do with a lack of knowledge about rap and hip hop, even more specifically East Coast Hip Hop. For instance, Jay-Z's " Jesus Can't Save You, Life Starts when The Church Ends," was taken out of context because a) people just lack interpretive skills, and b) people don't understand rap or more specifically, Jay-Z's rap.
@derocdero so it is not a matter of defending him from lies or rmor but taking a look at what has been presented and making a decision based on such. Which is why you draw a different conclusion than some and vice versa, the problem is you trivialize our opinion on the evidence presented and slander us by first making what is presented invalid as if it has no weight, that's your opinion, which to me is blinded by ignorance because you reject everything as sensationalism, when all is not.
@HannielTV When I examine your evidence and examine your conclusions, your conclusions don't follow from the evidence. Take the "Do What Thou Wilt" Hoody that Jay-Z as wearing in a picture, that's just one evidence that people have used to conclude that Jay-Z is a satanist. But the argument is weak and flawed because of so many other plausible possibilities as to why he was wearing a shirt. In other words, you have made an assumption between hoodie and your conclusion of him being a satanist.
@derocdero If a person wears a known occultist shirt what other plausible conclusion could you have especially when there is more evidence that points to that being the case? You keep saying that but have yet to provide anything other plausible conclusion. If you do then you have to ignore the other evidence or add the ones that are not valid, which I find unacceptable. How about his wife wearing the Baphomet dress, the occult dress?
@HannielTV There is no known occult shirt, no such thing exists. There is a hoodie created by John Galliano with the words " Do What Thou Wilt" on it. And, Jay-Z is wearing that hoodie in a picture. It does not follow that Jay-Z is therefore a satanist because he is wearing that hoodie. This is where Alister Crowley comes in. It can be a partial quote from Alister Crowley but Saint Augustine has said the same thing? Does that make Jay-Z an Augustinian?
@derocdero Ok, not going to look at one thing and make an assessment but ok. I been following your stance for almost a year so I get where you are coming from. I'm not trying to make anyone see things my way. I take it all in but trust God has reveal enough so people have no excuse and know what we are dealing with and how to pray. That's really all that matters from my perspective. We at least agree he needs the salvation of the Lord.
@HannielTV Yes, he does and the way to salvation has not changed. He needs Jesus Christ and the message has not changed either. My videos are directed to any Christian willing to hear, especially those who have stigmatized Jay-Z as a satanist. What we have been seeing with Jay-Z is plain wrong and contra Jesus' commission.
@derocdero granted I do believe there is plenty of misinformation and sensationalism but I don't deal with those yet you group everything presented as such when that's not the case. I have dealt with plenty of former occult and practicing occult members and to deny Jay is involved is ridiculous. If he is NOT then he pretends fairly well.
The sad part is the majority of professing Christians are not prepared for the days ahead because they have been blinded by compromise and other issues
@HannielTV First point about you being aware of the sensationalism. However, are you saying that there are sensationalism and misinformation concerning Jay-Z? If so, what are they? And, what is the accurate stuff?
@derocdero i.e. false teachings and teachers who are NOT equipping the Body in these last days. So while you believe YOUR mission field is being hindered by those who have spoken against or about Jay Z you have a bigger issue in dealing with the lack of spiritual growth in the Body in these last days and how the occult has been maneuvering against the Body of Christ heavily these last few years.
There are bigger issues that Jay only represents a small part of but you can't see it, wondering y
If you think we need to see him bowed at an altar to convince us that he is involved in the occult then you're wasting your time. I don't need to see him at an altar because I'm familiar with the Satanist way. The evidence is seen everyday by those who listen to the Spirit of God and not just the natural.
@HannielTV I alos listen to the Spirit of God and I'm filled with the Holy Spirit yet I have not bought into the witch hunt. I'm not even looking for a smoking gun. I'm dealing with the so called evidence that has been brought up and they all fall apart under scrutiny. If you're saying that Jay-Z is a sinner in need of Christ then u have my agreement. However, not all unbelievers are satanists which is a totally different charge.
@derocdero they are all satanist according to the Levayan Satanist creed. They do what they want, when they want and how they want with no regard to God. According to what is typically taught about satanist then I guess they all aren't but running unattached as your own authority qualifies all sinners as satanist whether they believe it or not. Now under YOUR scrutiny it falls apart, not under mine or the Spirit of God. I would say you are ignoring the Spirit in this area.
@HannielTV But having free will does not mean one is a satanist? Are you saying that all non-Christians are satanists? Jesus did not call all sinners satanists or demons except the pharisees who he called them sons of the devil.
@derocdero but there is no need to debate or go back and forth on this issue. Many can see the powers working behind the scenes and preparing for the introduction of the Lawless man, Jay Z is such a small part of what is really going on and how satan is using him and others to defy Christ and lead others astray. We have established our stance and we stand opposed so trying to convince the other is useless. Just know that Satan is in control of this world and many people willingly follow
@HannielTV You're muddying up the waters bruh. Its quite evident that Jay-Z is an unbeliever and a sinner who promotes sinful behavior and ideas. But going around accusing him of being a satanists and part of a secret ploy against Christianity is quite another. You're apathetic attitude is troubling. What if you was accused of being a satanist and the accusers simply said that well we know he's a satanist because Satan controls this world. That's basically your argument.
@derocdero No, you missed what I said. I specifically made mention of Leveyan Satanism which is KEY to understanding what I am saying, furthermore if Satan controls this world and you are apart of his kingdom then by default you are a satanist. It has nothing to do with being apathetic, it simply means I understand the dire need for Jesus to be preached to the lost. Your lack of discernment in regards to the spiritual aspects that are attacking the youth and the old alike is troubling to me.
@HannielTV It does not follow that an unbeliever is a satanist because he's part of the world/kingdom. I know I wasn't a satanist before I came to Christ. But dig this right, why commit equivocation of the word satanist? Your use of the word satanist is not what Jay-Z's witch hunters are using it as. They're literally accusing him of being a satanist not someone who merely is part of this world otherwise on what basis is he being singled out? Why not go after all unbelievers?
@derocdero I disagree but I don't know who everybody is that is going after Jay z, the people I have seen are aware of this form of satanism yet it does not negate that he possibly does know about the true satan which I believe even the Leveyan satanist worship knowingly. The reason you might feel Jay z is singled out, I don''t, maybe because he is one of the main one leding people into this practice.
when you were a sinner you were a satanist just like we all were. you just dont like the term
@HannielTV Wait...you keep assuming hat you have to prove. Now you're saying that Jay-Z is leading people to satanism? The problem here is that you're committing a fallacy of equivocation of the word Satanist. Your own definition of satanist is not how people have been using it in accusing Jay-Z or in general use the word. What you have done is a classic case of equivocation (look it up). It is deeply ambiguous and leads to nonsense having you having to brand all unbelievers satanists. SMH.
@derocdero ok, the issue is not branding all unbelievers satanist and this is not something I go aorund expressing even though I understand it as so. I gave you the definition of the type of satanism that is being presented, you can look up Leveyan Satnism and find out what they believe and you will find they whole world is being driven into this because it is surrounding them, hip hop promotes it. so if you disagree that shows a level of ignorance on your part. It is factual based on definition
@HannielTV But your definition is your definition, not what his accusers mean by the word satanist. Jay-Z has been accused of being a satanist, there is no ambiguity there, in general people know what that means. However, you have used it in a unique way that is not generally understood as nor is what is being argued against hence your equivocation is also a strawman argument.
@derocdero I also stated I don't know all the people who have "attacked" Jay z but the ones I have seen understand what is going on. You seem to have a preconceieved notion of what satanism is and that notion seems to be guiding your responses and blinding you to what is actually being said. Do As Thou Wilt is an satanist mantra, they live by it. Hip Hop preaches it, Rock preaches, entertainment preaches, the world preaches it. Satanism by default, no altar needed for public viewing,
@HannielTV who? forerunner777? He's the worst of the witch hunters. And yes I have a preconceived idea of what a satanism is hence why the accusations are foolish. My idea of satanism is as clear as if you was to accuse Jay-Z of being a homosexual or a Muslim. But some how you're using it in an ambiguous fashion. Back to evidences, so Jay-Z is a satanist because there is a photo of him wearing a hoodie with the words " Do What Thou Wilt." and such words can are found in Alister Crowley's book?
@derocdero is forerunner even saved? I didn't mention one person by name because it's not the issue the issue is if what is being said is true or not. The truth is Jay Z is involved in the occult. I have not hidden anything. I have been as plain and clear as possible. If you wear an occult hoodie and you say you are a christian, I wouldn't believe you because I'm not stupid. Just as Jay has done MANY things that give the indication where his allegiance lie, I am not stupid. I trust God ova liars
@HannielTV I know what the issue is about, you can see that by my videos. Again, more accusations that have not been backed up by you or anyone else. You say Jay-Z is a satanist and you use satanist in an ambiguous fashion and now you're accusing him of being in an occult. Are you or are you not using satanist in its general sense? If not, then how are you using the word occult?
@derocdero Cruz, I was as clear as I could be. You are not following what I have said, you are steering off somewhere I am not going. I have backed up my claims just as most others, you reject them them based on your own bias and ignrance in regards to what is being said. This was establish early so there is no need to continue discussing it. You reject my words and I reject yours, it's really that simple. All else will be revealed in time. Stand by your conviction as will I.
@HannielTV You're double talking is what I'm saying. That causes ambiguity. You have used the satanist in a way that was not originally used nor is it generally used in that fashion--satanist being all unbelievers. But then you waffle back to using it in a general sense. It's not a matter of arbitrarily disagree with one another. This has to do with your arguments evidences and conclusions about Jay-Z.
@derocdero Wow, so what is your excuse for that? Are you saying that is not where that came from? That is a direct quote from Crowley, an out in the open Satanist. No one even uses that form of English anymore. However, even though there is no doubt that hoodie is in trubute to Crowley. That by itself would not prove he is a Satanist. However the multiple other things he did add up.
@trendsetter74 Concerning the hoodie, all you have is a hoodie with those words on it. That's it. Concluding that it has connections to satanism because Alister Crowley partly said the same thing in a book is arbitrary hasty judgment. It is no different than a racist cop concluding that a black person driving a nice car is a drug dealer. Since Saint Augustine side the same words in his book, why not also hasty conclude that Jay-Z is an Augustinian influenced by Stoicism and Platonism?
@trendsetter74 People by clothing with words on it for various reasons. It could be because he believes in that idea--the idea of total free will to do what ever you want which has been the model of Hip Hop. Then you have the designer, which has nothing to do with Jay-Z (you do know Jay-Z did not design that nor is it part of his clothing line). About other things, what other things? Imagery? Lyrics?
@derocdero Let's pretend that Jay Z had nothing to do with making the hoodie. Are you really trying to imply that he would sport a hoodie with a quote he had no idea what it ment? Come on man, be real. The fact is, Jay Z is very aware of what he says and does in his videos. What songs you want to talk about? D'Evils? Lucifer?
@trendsetter74 So this is all based on assumptions? Whether he knew or not doesn't support your accusation that he's a satanist. Again, all you have is a hoodie with words on it and somehow that undeniably proofs he's connected to the occult? If that shirt proves that he's a satanist than wearing a shirt that says, Just Do It, makes me work for Nike. Yes, can you please talk about Lucifer and D'Evils? How is that proof?
@derocdero I don't assume anything. You are the one that is assuming that all this is just coincidence and making excuses for his actions. I deal with facts and the fact is if he choses to wear a hoodie promoting a Satanic philosophy then I am going to call him out on it. Further more, I didn't bring the hoodie into play, you did. If you had the same hoodie on I would call you out to.
@trendsetter74 I have yet to make one excuse or say anything is coincidence. In order for me to do that I will have to first accept your conclusion that Jay-Z is a satanist. You still have yet to prove that.
@derocdero Getting tired of talking to the sheeple but here goes. I am sure you have good reasons why he would name his songs "Lucifer" and "D'Evils" or devils so I will move on and save you the time of making up an excuse. Let's take the "D'Evils" song. He starts it off by sampling snoop's "Dear God, I wonder can you save me?" which is from a song/video where snoop sold his soul to the devil. He then samples from Prodigy, who has come out against the Illuminati/NWO. TBC
@trendsetter74 I have interpreted D"Evils which is linked on the video above. The song which is over ten years old, is about how he was a drug dealer and being in the drug game simply makes you more evil as you get bigger in the drug game. I don't know how you got satanism out of that song. The song imagery is wordplay is expressing the evils of power that comes with the drug game. Hence, he mentions praying to Gotti, as in John Gotti, former Mob leader.
@derocdero (Cont.) Jay then says "That's right it wicked, that's life I live it. Ain't asking for forgiveness for my sins." Spin that how you want but he is openly saying the life he lives is wicked and he isn't about to repent. He then says he is leathal, infected with the devils. He goes on to say "My soul is possessed by the devils". Then he ends it with "Stop screamin', you know the demon said it's best to die, and even if Jehovah whitness, bet he'll never testify, devils."
@trendsetter74 LoL...so a song he did ten years ago and where he's role playing through out the song as a drug dealer is taling about Jay-Z in 2010? Mind you, he says he's not "asking for forgiveness, endz."<--- meaning money. The problem buddy is that you're unskilled at interpretation and its because you're mind is skewed by all the sensationalism, hence, you read back that stuff in a song he did ten year ago.
@trendsetter74 also. we don;t have to pretend, the hoodie is designed by a fashion designer and its an expensive hoody costing about $400 and it can be purchased online. Anyone with $400 to spend can buy that hoodie.
@derocdero What is your point? If Galliano designed it that doesn't change what the quote means or the fact that Jay Z chose to wear it. If I were to wear a hoodie that has a direct quote on it then I would be endorsing that quote, whether I made it or not. You can offer up all the excuses you want but that doesn't change the fact that Jay made the decision to promote that quote by wearing it.
@trendsetter74 The quote is best understood within a context and there are several contexts that the quote can fit in. Saint Augustine meant it in one way and Alister Crowley meant it another way. Once its taken way from its context, the quote's meaning is up for grabs. However, there is little room for interpretive freedom even though isolated from its context. Do what though wilt means do what you want. But to leap from that and conclude that Jay-Z is a satanist is absurd.
@derocdero You are rediculous. Saint Augustine's quote was "Love, and do what thou wilt". If the quote on his hoodie had said that then you would have a point. But it doesn't say that does it. Look, I realize you can't admit it is from Crowley because then you have no valid excuse for it but you need to wake up and stop defending someone who is clearly pushing a Satanic agenda.
@trendsetter74 So by you're own reason then you have no basis for connecting him to Alister Crowley since his actual words are, " Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law." That's what Alister Crowley wrote. You should be saying oops.
@derocdero What? Come on now, stop reaching. "Do what thou wilt" is what Crowley said shall be the whole of the law. There is no need for someone to put the entire quote on a hoodie when "Do what thou wilt" is the message Crowley pushed and the message that Jay Z decided to promote by wearing it.
@trendsetter74 you're double talking bruh. You said that if it was from Saint Augustine then the whole quote would be on the hoodie. Well, the whole quote from Crowley was not on the hoodie so based on your logic, its not from Crowley. But again, even if it was from either, nothing can be concluded accept that Jay-Z agrees with that idea along with many others.
Just about everything has a plausible alternative explanation but we use discernment as given by the Holy Spirit. This world is controlled by Satan, demons are in full operation in and through entertainment and entertainers. If you ignore the imagery and evidence presented against Jay on the basis of symbolism, you cant deny the evidence of his lifestyle and lyrics. Also, remember his wife professes Christ and wore a Baphomet dress, but according to your logic, that weak evidence.
@HannielTV No, not true, just about anything does not have a plausible explanation and if it does,the concept of certainty does not exist. And if it doesn't exist then how do you justify the absolute nature of certain accusations? Can you please justify your certainty here?
Ok, you have the right to say Jesus can't save me...plead for help. But if you have not been in front of millions, the power of the excited crowd...you have the power to persuade the crowd to believe...it a different when you say Jesus can't save you. For you to believe that means you are not connect.
I have never heard any of your vids before today but after watching this video I went back and watched some of your other vids about Jay Z. In every video you make excuses for Jay Z and his actions. You continue to call it rumors, baring false whitness, and conspiracy theories. I am not gonna talk down to you but I really suggest you take the time to really dig into all of this and see what it really is. Jay Z is just a small piece of a much bigger puzzle....
@trendsetter74 The fact is the people at the very top of the Illuminati/Elite/Bankers/whatever you want to call them do worship Satan and it is a documented fact that they want to convert the massess to Satanism and eliminate Christians and Christianity. I will leave you with this. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12
@trendsetter74 that's a key verse for what is really going on but many Christians fail to acknowledge the supernatural implications of what is really going on in this world so when they are confronted with if they shy away or are in denial of the very scriptures they profess to believe in. Scripture tells us the whole world lies in the wicked one, Satan controls this world and those who are part of it are under his kingdom and authority, some knowingly (JayZ) others unknowingly (average sinner)
@derocdero I'm familiar with your stance on what has been presented about Jay Z. I disagree with your assessment because the evidence shows that he is heavily involved in occult activity, he promotes it and has millions participating in the rituals across the globe. Now you stand by your belief and I stand by mine. I don't agree with you nor do you agree with me. I could say using your logic that you are falsely accusing the brethren in regards to Jay but there is no need to do so.
@HannielTV What evidence? The "Do What Thou Wilt Shirt," the imagery in the videos, the lines under question such as the "Jesus can't save you life starts when the Church ends," and "I pray to Gotti," and are all weak evidences that have plausible alternative explanations to them not to mention that certain accusations were misquotes of his raps and the 666 murder murder Jesus track was shown to be fabrication by a DJ Danger Mouse.
@derocdero everything you mentioned minus the misquotes and DJ Danger Mouse are evidence. Yes, they are occult evidence that showcase real intent. If you find them to be not enough that's your choice. I can't ignore them because they hold much weight. Not only is Jay Z involved but many of the top artist who are being presented to the masses are. So, if you have chosen to ignore these proofs and disregard them, it's fine by me but to say it has no merit is just not worth debating.
@HannielTV I'm asking you to reveal the merit. Merits are earned. There are no such thing as brute facts or uninterpreted facts/evidences. Now, you have omitted the 666 Murder Murder Jesus as valid evidence. Great! That's one piece of evidence has been the foundation that many of his witch hunters stand on. I'm glad you acknowledge the misquotes, such as him never saying he was a Mason but that he's "IN Maison Martin Margiela," a french clothing brand. Which evidences you find certain?
@trendsetter74 I agree with Ephesians 6:12 whole-heartedly but what does that have to do with my defense against Jay-Z accusations? Are you assuming that one can't agree with Eph. 6:12 and yet defend Jay-Z?
@derocdero I don't assume anything and I didn't say you can't believe that verse and then defend someone you think is not guilty. But if you agree with the verse then how can you turn around and say that non of that exist and it is just a "conspiracy theory". As for Jay Z. You still have the right in America (at least for now) to defend him but when your only proof that this is a "witch hunt" is that it is poetry and that you think stuff is out of context. What does he need to do?
@trendsetter74 What verse are you talking about? In regards to defending Jay-Z, um, the nature of poetry, and rightly understanding something in context is VERY important. Get those two things wrong and it leads to misunderstanding and worst, start to build a case around a misunderstanding and upload it on Youtube then what you have is a wild fire of rumors spreading out of control on cyber space which has led to the witch hunt. Every witch hunter has been wrong about Jay-Z 's lyrics.
@derocdero My point was that someone who really takes the time to look into everything can't come to any other conclusion then there is a small percentage of people plotted to not only rule everything, but to bring the Christian religion to its knees and spread their Satanic agenda. There is way to much undeniable proof that this is the case.
@derocdero What you either don't understand or refuse to accept is that Jay Z is a very small piece is a much larger agenda. This is way bigger then Jay Z. This is bigger then all the other artist who have sold their souls. They are just used to promote the overall agenda which is an attack on God and the Christian faith. Through their words, videos, ect., entertainers are the currupting people through their propaganda. This is by design and if you can't see that then it may have worked on you.
@trendsetter74 I rather focus on Jay-Z since he's the topic. If you can prove that Jay-Z is a satanist than how much better will you do with something bigger than Jay-Z, really?
As a woman of God and a follower of Christ I know what the bible says about reaching the lost and I'm sure that Hammer does too. The devil is busy collecting his cohorts to pervert our young people with all this crap that people call rap. Kanye is appalled, no I am appalled of the fact everyone is getting fat off so many idiotic lyrics that they are pumping into the minds of young people. Hammer just let him know if u r servin the devil you better run from that lake of fire that last 4ever run
I say it is harder for this man(Jay-z) to come to Christ by man. Like Paul the Lord have to do it. If I was Jay-z I would be a little afraid of the nuts. I have no concern of someone who put out record for a sell. But when you tell million that Jesus cannot save you. Maybe you better run, run.
@raynay1500 Its funny that those same millions never heard the song I'm on the rock by Jay Z When he says
"Lord Jesus please be my savior Lord knows I got a whole lot of haters"
Naw they not gone notice that song or expose it cuz then they contradict they self when they actually think Jay Z was saying Jesus can't save you Why would JayZ ask Jesus to save him if he thought he could'nt do it for no one Jay-Z was saying like we all say Jesus is not going to save some people cuz they dont believe
@2965islyfegodfrey Jay Z is not a believer in Jesus nor in His ability to save Him. His lifestyle tells you that, there is nothing to expose. Every time Jay drops a song he spits in the face of Jesus because he loves money and fame. How could someone take a lyric like that to say Jay believes Jesus can save, he doesn't want to be saved because he either has never been humbled or has rejected the truth or never heard the truth. We all heard the song and personally I don't agree with Cruz interp.
@HannielTV You obviously don't believe in Jesus or You would know Jesus can save anyone Who calls on his holy name The song I was referring to was "I'm on the rock" by Jay-Z and you must not have heard it or you would'nt have responded to me with such a ignorant comment SMH
@2965islyfegodfrey You nor anyone else could possibly walk away from my comment believing I don't believe in Jesus, your assessment is ignorant. Jay lives a life contrary to Christ so if you feel that he is saved or on the way to salvation because of those lyrics then you are sadly mistaken. Jesus is able to save anyone who REPENTS and calls on Him, Jay hasn't done so, he mocks Christ so if you feel that I am so how wrong for my statement so be it, I follow the WOrd not opinions based on bias
Every single person that isn't born again is under the control and influence of the World System which is ruled and governed by Satan. This doesn't make Jay Z any worse than any other sinner it just points out the spiritual nature of what is really going on in this world by addressing the obvious symbolism he chooses to use in his videos and with his hands which aren't important just very revealing as to how deep his personal involvement is in the occult.
ok b4 any1 else makes another video saying that hammer is coming from out of a rock read this In 1995, Hammer released the album Inside Out, peaking at 119 on the Billboard Charts, In 1998, MC Hammer released Family Affair 2001 MC Hammer released Active Duty, released Full Blast 2006 he decided to create a digital label to release his tenth studio album, Look Look Look now he has his own label and mma mangement company, and a video website like youtube and a mma clothing line
@derocdero i didnt say it wasnt childish u just saying hammer is just coming out from under a rock which he didnt so i was just setting the recored straight and wana talk about childish the whole damn thing is childish Jay-Z talk crap o look how much money i got blah blah blah thats childish 2
@pheonixphire I agree but dig it right, the comment that Hammer just came from under a rock did not imply that he wasn't doing nothing but rather the masses knew nothing about what hammer was or is doing then out of no where he comes out with a lame diss track. That's all I was saying.
@derocdero that implication is indeed there whether you meant it or not. By default that is the implication. You would have to go into detail in order to be clear for MOST people not to come away with the implication that he hasn't been doing anything or that he is using this to sell his new song toward Jay Z. Personally, I believe he is using this to market his song but that's besides the point.
All diss songs are childish because you have to inflate your own ego to one up another. tick 4 tack
@HannielTV agree, all diss songs are childish but there are warranted offenses then there are unwarranted ones. Hammer's offense showed that he does not understand rap music or at least Jay-Z's rap music.
@SonicArmament That was what Jay-Z said in Empire State of Mind and the person in the video was impersonating Jay-Z writing. Jay-Z is not a Christian.
Hammer only used the devil worshipping rumors to get people's attention if he tried the typical diss record no one would take him seriously so basically he is using his christian background as a tool to diss the Jigga man he was interviewed about the video today (11/4/10) and when the interviewer asked him about why he did it he answered with the typical Jay Z hurt my feelings resonse so all my fellow christians buying into hammer's B.S. about how he wants to save Jay Z , C'mon son!!
@derocdero Jay-Z isn't even the real point of it homie. Jay-Z is just a figure head, just like Nas is, just like all the other celebrities are. But the thing is Jay-Z is the most arrogant about it.
How bout Jack Black praying to satan at the MTV music awards? You thought it was a joke? Seen the pick of destiny? Nigga wearin a damn baphomet head around his neck.
The point is not to crucify Jay-Z the point is stop the ones above him who are causing the real damage. Jay-Z compared is unimportant.
@derocdero And, also what does the bible say about ones who deal in the dark and practice witch craft?
Ones who promote death and killing, greed and by their own understanding aid people who would cause harm to the world. These people are no longer innocents when they apply the mark on their own heads.
They're just like their father. Maybe you should stop trying to damage control for your frat brothers. There are a lot of churches who are into this as well.
The behavior of Christians over time repeatedly acting like lynch mobs to anyone who does not believe is in direct opposition to what Christianity is all about.
it wasnt only about Jay saying sumtin abt Hammer it was also abt the fact that Jay says Jesus cant save us and Hammer is pretty big on religion. now as far as Jay he a bitch cuz u would u go out nd say sumtin abt Hammer bt den he wont respond to Beanie Sigel. nd Hammer might have been a preacher but he aint a Jesus so if he feels he needs to respond to Jay Z he should b able to do so. nd if jayz is atheist he should keep it 2 himself cuz he has way to many followers nd ppl r effected by it.
@derocdero ohh I never said Hammer was dissin Jay he just responded to him... and of course Jay Z said he didnt even mean anything bad about hammer when he dropped his line and apparently in his new book he says lots of nice things about him. but im agreeing with hammer on this one cuz jay z is extremely successful and if hes runnin around saying jesus cant save us and keeps throwing demonic symbols ppl are gonna be like why am I praying to God? Cuz ppl are weak minded and most are followers.
@derocdero ok thats what im trying to understand then, what is jayz's problem i mean the music video for on to the next one is full of satanic symbols and images... whats up with that...??? why?? and thats what MC hammer is doing he is trying to reach him hes not dissing him at the end of the video he stops the demon and tries to purify Jay Z
@ifuaintincaliugay Seriously, you actually took time out to say that?
derocdero 1 month ago
What this basically boils down to as I read not only the comments on your videos, but the comments that I get on mine as well, is this. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE SO TO HELL WITH HIM AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO LIKES HIM.
HE DOESN'T USE MY REASONING OR UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES THE WAY THAT I DO SO TO HELL WITH HIM AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO THINKS LIKE HIM.
This is the sad, thing. and neither one of those thought processes are of CHRIST.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@SpannTV Yeah, I was going back and forth with a dude who
s main argument was I should not defend Jay-Z because Jay-Z is evil.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero What I've come to understand is that no matter what, people are going to believe what they want to. You can present them with all types of evidence, but if it goes against what they already believe, you will have a hard time having a practical discussion.
It's like how the character Huey felt in that episode of The Boondocks "The Trial of R. Kelly" where he says. "I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won."
SpannTV 1 year ago
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Neither cast ye your pearls before swine. The swine were also unclean. They would have no use for pearls, and perhaps would rush upon those who scattered the pearls. So, too, there are men so dull, imbruted and senseless, as to reject the pearls of truth. It is our duty to help and to try to save others, but we must use common sense.
jboombotz 1 year ago
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jboombotz 1 year ago
I have come to the conclusion that no matter what is said or shown to you that you are going to support Jay Z so I am done wasting my time. I believe that even if Jay came out tommorow and admitted he worships the devil and that is how he got his success that you would still defend him. I'll leave you with this. Isaiah 5:20 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 One Isaiah doesn't apply here since I'm not denying that Jay-Z is a sinner in need of Jesus. I'm saying that your conclusion that he's a satanist is bunk. One does not have to be a satanist in order to be in sin and in need of Jesus. I don't come to your conclusions because I have no basis to do so.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I agree with trendsetter74. Jay-Z has made a conscious choice to worship the devil by sing lyrics about him, wear clothing that speaks of Satanic theology, use symbolism in videos, and hand gestures that represent Satanic belief. This isn't coincidence, these are choices he is making everyday. Matthew 12:24 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Jay-Z is communicating this language out to the masses.
jboombotz 1 year ago
@derocdero en's language discovers what country they are of, likewise what manner of spirit they are of. The heart is the fountain, words are the streams. A troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring, must send forth muddy and unpleasant streams. Nothing but the salt of grace, cast into the spring, will heal the waters, season the speech, and purify the corrupt communication. An evil man has an evil treasure in his heart, and out of it brings forth evil things. Lusts and corruptions,
jboombotz 1 year ago
@derocdero dwelling and reigning in the heart, are an evil treasure, out of which the sinner brings forth bad words and actions, to dishonour God, and hurt others. Let us keep constant watch over ourselves, that we may speak words agreeable to the Christian character.
jboombotz 1 year ago
@derocdero "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Give not that which is holy unto dogs. The dog was regarded an unclean animal by the Jewish law. They probably represent snarling, scoffing opposers. The characteristic of dogs is brutality. To try to instill holy things into such low, unclean, and sordid brutal minds is useless.
jboombotz 1 year ago
@derocdero Neither cast ye your pearls before swine. The swine were also unclean. They would have no use for pearls, and perhaps would rush upon those who scattered the pearls. So, too, there are men so dull, imbruted and senseless, as to reject the pearls of truth. It is our duty to help and to try to save others, but we must use common sense.
Common sense tells me that Jay-Z has already made his choice so MC Hammer has come with the brutal truth. Jay-Z has already been running from the truth
jboombotz 1 year ago
@derocdero I agree. We all need Jesus. No matter who it is, we was all born into sin, and Jesus is the only answer. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. Jesus did not condemn the sinners, but the Pharisees. The sinners are already condemned for not having Jesus, they need our love through Jesus. Like that song, they will know we are Christians "Christ Like" by our love.
HARDNADER 1 year ago
I don't really see it as a diss. At the end he saves J from the devil. Anyone can be saved, I think that was the point.
lazzyJames 1 year ago
Hammer could of made a major come back at least I think so If he kept his mouth shut and jumped on the song Ross made about him Instead he only makes Ross song more relevant and helped Jay sell his book cuz now everyone wants to know what Jay said about Hammer in the book and watch Ross video name after Hammer its all promotional marketing
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey True!
derocdero 1 year ago
The MC Hammer predicament goes like this Rick Ross was just on stage singing his song MC Hammer with MC Hammer on stage with him at the awards Then Jay dissed Hammer on apallled Now instead of Hammer being smart and jumping on the song Ross made using his name and just spit a verse He decides to go after Jay When just a few mos. prior MC Hammer was saying Jay was the greatest But being the buffoon we all know lost 30 mil He let Jay and Ross use him to promote there projects Ross video Jay book
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
I feel what you're sayin' and you're 100% on the money, BUT whatever "moved" Hammer to do his RUN RUN video, LET IT BE THE REASON!! Because as a result people are INTERESTED! And maybe, JUST maybe... someone out there will see the light at the end of the tunnel. We, as Christians are responsible for spreading the GOSPEL. Maybe the video should have been titled Better Come Come ('for its too late!) LOL! In any event, I feel Hammer on this and your point is WELL Taken!
FaithHopeAmour 1 year ago
Now moving on slightly, when you do a video on tithing and how it's not biblical in the sense it is used today then I'd love to be included in that discussion.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV hwy would I do that? I think Christians falsely accusing people of thing sin which they have no proof of is more interesting.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I find that with the wealth of false teachings going on within the Body of Christ is far more worth defending and exposing than worrying about Jay, tithing as a new covenant command or model is NOT supported by scripture and is being used to pimp people because of greed. There is plenty of proof of that, it starts with scripture.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV You have no proof JayZ hasn't repented I have no proof he has repented But the difference between you and me is I believe in Jesus power that he can save anybody who calls on his name Since a song has made all these false accusations come about Its only right to have a song end them Tell the truth before I told you about the song "I'm on the rock" you never heard of that song did you You don't have to lie I know you did'nt and thats my point They don't expose songs like that Why not?
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey you make no sense so there's nothing left to say. good day sir
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV You can't be honest with yourself and you can't lie to me So I guess that would'nt make sense to a idiot however God bless you hypocrite!
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey your fruit gives you away, i wish cruz would rebuke you as he does everyone e. I have not lied nor can you say I am a hypocrite based on anything I have stated. you are making a weak assumption because I refuse to answer your question, which makes you a liar for falsely accusing me. I offer you no ammo and calling me names is uncalled for and unchristlike-christian
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV How can you refuse to answer a question you say makes no sense If you are refusing to answer the question that would mean you understood it and it made sense But you claim I am accusing you falsely of being a lying hypocrite In respect for brother derocdero comment section I will let you slide on the name calling situation as far as fruit you reap what you sow and as long as you spread hate,lies,and false accusations You too will receive the same SYAD I'm done
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey Sir, sense you act as if you have forgotten your question was had I heard the song, the rest of your rants are what made no sense because they are baseless. You are mixing so much stuff together you can't even keep up with what you're talking about. I have sown nothing that requires a professing Christian to spew the type of garbage that come from your mouth to justify your immature and ungodly actions, the best thing to do is apologize for that which I know you want do. Repnt
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV Whatever dude you 1 of those guys who think if you get the last word you won some sort of prize 1st you say I make no sense 2nd you say you refuse to answer my question cuz it made no sense to you but you did understand the question 3rd now after your refusals and lies that my question made no sense to you you answer the question get a life playboy all I can apologize for is your stupidity for that I feel very sorry for you from the bottom of my heart move around dawg PEACE
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey ok
HannielTV 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey True, the brother is spreading lies about Jay-Z but let's not do to such people as they do to Jay-Z.
derocdero 1 year ago
@HannielTV I agree, BTW, I don't read every exchange so sorry. I did respond to him.
derocdero 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey Yeah, I think you're taking this too far. I don't remember HannielTV ever saying that Jesus CAN"T save Jay-Z. Please refrain from name calling.
derocdero 1 year ago
@HannielTV where in scripture do you read that idea?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero what idea?
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV The idea that false teachings going on within the Body of Christ is far more worth exposing than worrying about Jay. That's not Biblical. Moreover, Justice and fairness is just as much important to God as correct doctrine. Matter a fact, how we treat people whether in the faith or unbelievers, is a doctrine. Jesus wasn't just in the Temples, he was also out and about among sinners often time defending them against the legalism and self righteousness of the pharisees.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I believe cleaning the house up is more important than worrying about what Jay is or is not doing, exposing false teachers and doctrine is more important than if Jay is or is not participating in the occult because Jay is not saved. I don't discredit defending the truth or the down trodden whether they are saved or not but in the case of Jay Z who is being exposed by Christians and non christian alike I find it less an issue than false teachings. Plus, I believe Jay is involved.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV Well, if that's the case, that's what I'm doing "cleaning the house up," since I'm addressing Christians and think they're off in stigmatizing Jay-Z with their mob mentality. My videos are more about Christians than about Jay-Z. Jay-Z is but a microcosm of a larger problem in the Church which is an old problem which ironically started with white Christian missionaries. I'm speaking of the problem of attempting to speak on something without properly exegating the situation.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero the problem is you feel people don't know but they do. Again, you group the sensationalism with that which is not so you are missing the whole because of it. Also, is Hammer saved? If he is what has his fruit looked like? People are entitled to their opinion when they have information to draw a conclusion but you have made people who have looked at the information, some good and some bad and basically called them a pack of liars and lynch mob.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV You are part of a witch hunt whether its directly or indirectly. Witch hunts have to be fed and it doesn't matter if its fed with truth or falsehood. That has been one of my points in all my videos. Jesus defended an adulterous woman who was rightly accused from a lynch mob ready to stone her. My second point was that all of the accusations are poor and weak and has led to erroneous conclusions. You have not offered anything different.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I am not trying to kill Jay z nor am I hunting him or trying to prove he is involved. It not an issue for me in trying to prove anything, my concern is the disregard for valid evidence, period. No one is trying to stone Jay and I don't care if he admits it or denies it, not an issue for me. You said there a other plausible conclusions yet present this conclusions as if it's the only one that is not plausile which to me make no sense, it is plausible, even if incorrect. That's my point
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV When I speak of a witch hunt its not literally a witch hunt as in the Salem Trials. I don't think jay-Z will be literally stoned although there are crazy people in this world that might just attempt to kill Jay-Z if they really think he was possessed by demons. Kind of like Christians killing abortionists. In regards to plausibility, no, not all explanations are plausible. Possibilities are but possibilities have to be explained and frankly, none of them have been plausible.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Christians killing abortionist should repent or else they aren't christians. I agree some people probably would make an attempt but no christian should be. I'm sure Jay loves the attention he has been getting, keeps his income coming in.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@derocdero some of us have looked at the information and kept it moving. we aren't lynching him or even concerned about what he is doing because we understand he is a pawn that is being used to usher the masses just as these false teachers, to accept the coming lawless man.
What do you think of Beyonce' the christian wearing baphomet dress?
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV Well, I think of a Beyonce wearing a Baphomet dress. You mean to ask, what do I conclude? Well, I look at all possible explanations and see what conclusions can right follow. Have you interviewed the photographer and asked him what he thought? What did Beyonce think? Who was the ad catering to?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero well, my understanding is it was in her album cover. Yet, it's a baphomet dress, if you got to ask a whole bunch of question as to why a christian is wearing a baphomet dress then what's the point. You see stuff that is in your face and you go out of your way to ignore it and say it is a ridiculous conclusion so with that there is nothing else really to say. I will end with this, it's plausible they both are apart of the occult world and leading many down that road.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV No, it wasn't an album cover. Ignore what? What do you want me to conclude from seeing a picture with Beyonce wearing a Baphomet dress? BTW, assuming we're talking about the same thing, it was not a dress but a piece of a motorcycle. There is a pic of her juxtaposing her innocent look with a more radical look and some have said that that is mimicking the devil. But, what should I conclude here?
derocdero 1 year ago
@HannielTV Thus, as the white missionaries commented on non-white culture apart from understanding the culture so do many of these non-hip hop/rap cats do to Jay-Z and hip hop in general.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero this isn't about hip hop so that's not an issue here. that's a cop out because it isnt the issue with Jay, it maybe for some but with everything people attach themselves to things even if they don't fully understand it. Some for hate and some for love of it.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV It is indirectly about hip hop. Many of the misinformation has to do with a lack of knowledge about rap and hip hop, even more specifically East Coast Hip Hop. For instance, Jay-Z's " Jesus Can't Save You, Life Starts when The Church Ends," was taken out of context because a) people just lack interpretive skills, and b) people don't understand rap or more specifically, Jay-Z's rap.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero so it is not a matter of defending him from lies or rmor but taking a look at what has been presented and making a decision based on such. Which is why you draw a different conclusion than some and vice versa, the problem is you trivialize our opinion on the evidence presented and slander us by first making what is presented invalid as if it has no weight, that's your opinion, which to me is blinded by ignorance because you reject everything as sensationalism, when all is not.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV When I examine your evidence and examine your conclusions, your conclusions don't follow from the evidence. Take the "Do What Thou Wilt" Hoody that Jay-Z as wearing in a picture, that's just one evidence that people have used to conclude that Jay-Z is a satanist. But the argument is weak and flawed because of so many other plausible possibilities as to why he was wearing a shirt. In other words, you have made an assumption between hoodie and your conclusion of him being a satanist.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero If a person wears a known occultist shirt what other plausible conclusion could you have especially when there is more evidence that points to that being the case? You keep saying that but have yet to provide anything other plausible conclusion. If you do then you have to ignore the other evidence or add the ones that are not valid, which I find unacceptable. How about his wife wearing the Baphomet dress, the occult dress?
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV There is no known occult shirt, no such thing exists. There is a hoodie created by John Galliano with the words " Do What Thou Wilt" on it. And, Jay-Z is wearing that hoodie in a picture. It does not follow that Jay-Z is therefore a satanist because he is wearing that hoodie. This is where Alister Crowley comes in. It can be a partial quote from Alister Crowley but Saint Augustine has said the same thing? Does that make Jay-Z an Augustinian?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Ok, not going to look at one thing and make an assessment but ok. I been following your stance for almost a year so I get where you are coming from. I'm not trying to make anyone see things my way. I take it all in but trust God has reveal enough so people have no excuse and know what we are dealing with and how to pray. That's really all that matters from my perspective. We at least agree he needs the salvation of the Lord.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV Yes, he does and the way to salvation has not changed. He needs Jesus Christ and the message has not changed either. My videos are directed to any Christian willing to hear, especially those who have stigmatized Jay-Z as a satanist. What we have been seeing with Jay-Z is plain wrong and contra Jesus' commission.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero granted I do believe there is plenty of misinformation and sensationalism but I don't deal with those yet you group everything presented as such when that's not the case. I have dealt with plenty of former occult and practicing occult members and to deny Jay is involved is ridiculous. If he is NOT then he pretends fairly well.
The sad part is the majority of professing Christians are not prepared for the days ahead because they have been blinded by compromise and other issues
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV First point about you being aware of the sensationalism. However, are you saying that there are sensationalism and misinformation concerning Jay-Z? If so, what are they? And, what is the accurate stuff?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero i.e. false teachings and teachers who are NOT equipping the Body in these last days. So while you believe YOUR mission field is being hindered by those who have spoken against or about Jay Z you have a bigger issue in dealing with the lack of spiritual growth in the Body in these last days and how the occult has been maneuvering against the Body of Christ heavily these last few years.
There are bigger issues that Jay only represents a small part of but you can't see it, wondering y
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV Where's your proof that Jay-Z part of the occult?
derocdero 1 year ago
If you think we need to see him bowed at an altar to convince us that he is involved in the occult then you're wasting your time. I don't need to see him at an altar because I'm familiar with the Satanist way. The evidence is seen everyday by those who listen to the Spirit of God and not just the natural.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV I alos listen to the Spirit of God and I'm filled with the Holy Spirit yet I have not bought into the witch hunt. I'm not even looking for a smoking gun. I'm dealing with the so called evidence that has been brought up and they all fall apart under scrutiny. If you're saying that Jay-Z is a sinner in need of Christ then u have my agreement. However, not all unbelievers are satanists which is a totally different charge.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero they are all satanist according to the Levayan Satanist creed. They do what they want, when they want and how they want with no regard to God. According to what is typically taught about satanist then I guess they all aren't but running unattached as your own authority qualifies all sinners as satanist whether they believe it or not. Now under YOUR scrutiny it falls apart, not under mine or the Spirit of God. I would say you are ignoring the Spirit in this area.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV But having free will does not mean one is a satanist? Are you saying that all non-Christians are satanists? Jesus did not call all sinners satanists or demons except the pharisees who he called them sons of the devil.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero but there is no need to debate or go back and forth on this issue. Many can see the powers working behind the scenes and preparing for the introduction of the Lawless man, Jay Z is such a small part of what is really going on and how satan is using him and others to defy Christ and lead others astray. We have established our stance and we stand opposed so trying to convince the other is useless. Just know that Satan is in control of this world and many people willingly follow
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV You're muddying up the waters bruh. Its quite evident that Jay-Z is an unbeliever and a sinner who promotes sinful behavior and ideas. But going around accusing him of being a satanists and part of a secret ploy against Christianity is quite another. You're apathetic attitude is troubling. What if you was accused of being a satanist and the accusers simply said that well we know he's a satanist because Satan controls this world. That's basically your argument.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero No, you missed what I said. I specifically made mention of Leveyan Satanism which is KEY to understanding what I am saying, furthermore if Satan controls this world and you are apart of his kingdom then by default you are a satanist. It has nothing to do with being apathetic, it simply means I understand the dire need for Jesus to be preached to the lost. Your lack of discernment in regards to the spiritual aspects that are attacking the youth and the old alike is troubling to me.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV It does not follow that an unbeliever is a satanist because he's part of the world/kingdom. I know I wasn't a satanist before I came to Christ. But dig this right, why commit equivocation of the word satanist? Your use of the word satanist is not what Jay-Z's witch hunters are using it as. They're literally accusing him of being a satanist not someone who merely is part of this world otherwise on what basis is he being singled out? Why not go after all unbelievers?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I disagree but I don't know who everybody is that is going after Jay z, the people I have seen are aware of this form of satanism yet it does not negate that he possibly does know about the true satan which I believe even the Leveyan satanist worship knowingly. The reason you might feel Jay z is singled out, I don''t, maybe because he is one of the main one leding people into this practice.
when you were a sinner you were a satanist just like we all were. you just dont like the term
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV Wait...you keep assuming hat you have to prove. Now you're saying that Jay-Z is leading people to satanism? The problem here is that you're committing a fallacy of equivocation of the word Satanist. Your own definition of satanist is not how people have been using it in accusing Jay-Z or in general use the word. What you have done is a classic case of equivocation (look it up). It is deeply ambiguous and leads to nonsense having you having to brand all unbelievers satanists. SMH.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero ok, the issue is not branding all unbelievers satanist and this is not something I go aorund expressing even though I understand it as so. I gave you the definition of the type of satanism that is being presented, you can look up Leveyan Satnism and find out what they believe and you will find they whole world is being driven into this because it is surrounding them, hip hop promotes it. so if you disagree that shows a level of ignorance on your part. It is factual based on definition
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV But your definition is your definition, not what his accusers mean by the word satanist. Jay-Z has been accused of being a satanist, there is no ambiguity there, in general people know what that means. However, you have used it in a unique way that is not generally understood as nor is what is being argued against hence your equivocation is also a strawman argument.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I also stated I don't know all the people who have "attacked" Jay z but the ones I have seen understand what is going on. You seem to have a preconceieved notion of what satanism is and that notion seems to be guiding your responses and blinding you to what is actually being said. Do As Thou Wilt is an satanist mantra, they live by it. Hip Hop preaches it, Rock preaches, entertainment preaches, the world preaches it. Satanism by default, no altar needed for public viewing,
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV who? forerunner777? He's the worst of the witch hunters. And yes I have a preconceived idea of what a satanism is hence why the accusations are foolish. My idea of satanism is as clear as if you was to accuse Jay-Z of being a homosexual or a Muslim. But some how you're using it in an ambiguous fashion. Back to evidences, so Jay-Z is a satanist because there is a photo of him wearing a hoodie with the words " Do What Thou Wilt." and such words can are found in Alister Crowley's book?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero is forerunner even saved? I didn't mention one person by name because it's not the issue the issue is if what is being said is true or not. The truth is Jay Z is involved in the occult. I have not hidden anything. I have been as plain and clear as possible. If you wear an occult hoodie and you say you are a christian, I wouldn't believe you because I'm not stupid. Just as Jay has done MANY things that give the indication where his allegiance lie, I am not stupid. I trust God ova liars
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV I know what the issue is about, you can see that by my videos. Again, more accusations that have not been backed up by you or anyone else. You say Jay-Z is a satanist and you use satanist in an ambiguous fashion and now you're accusing him of being in an occult. Are you or are you not using satanist in its general sense? If not, then how are you using the word occult?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Cruz, I was as clear as I could be. You are not following what I have said, you are steering off somewhere I am not going. I have backed up my claims just as most others, you reject them them based on your own bias and ignrance in regards to what is being said. This was establish early so there is no need to continue discussing it. You reject my words and I reject yours, it's really that simple. All else will be revealed in time. Stand by your conviction as will I.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV You're double talking is what I'm saying. That causes ambiguity. You have used the satanist in a way that was not originally used nor is it generally used in that fashion--satanist being all unbelievers. But then you waffle back to using it in a general sense. It's not a matter of arbitrarily disagree with one another. This has to do with your arguments evidences and conclusions about Jay-Z.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Wow, so what is your excuse for that? Are you saying that is not where that came from? That is a direct quote from Crowley, an out in the open Satanist. No one even uses that form of English anymore. However, even though there is no doubt that hoodie is in trubute to Crowley. That by itself would not prove he is a Satanist. However the multiple other things he did add up.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 Concerning the hoodie, all you have is a hoodie with those words on it. That's it. Concluding that it has connections to satanism because Alister Crowley partly said the same thing in a book is arbitrary hasty judgment. It is no different than a racist cop concluding that a black person driving a nice car is a drug dealer. Since Saint Augustine side the same words in his book, why not also hasty conclude that Jay-Z is an Augustinian influenced by Stoicism and Platonism?
derocdero 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 People by clothing with words on it for various reasons. It could be because he believes in that idea--the idea of total free will to do what ever you want which has been the model of Hip Hop. Then you have the designer, which has nothing to do with Jay-Z (you do know Jay-Z did not design that nor is it part of his clothing line). About other things, what other things? Imagery? Lyrics?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Let's pretend that Jay Z had nothing to do with making the hoodie. Are you really trying to imply that he would sport a hoodie with a quote he had no idea what it ment? Come on man, be real. The fact is, Jay Z is very aware of what he says and does in his videos. What songs you want to talk about? D'Evils? Lucifer?
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 So this is all based on assumptions? Whether he knew or not doesn't support your accusation that he's a satanist. Again, all you have is a hoodie with words on it and somehow that undeniably proofs he's connected to the occult? If that shirt proves that he's a satanist than wearing a shirt that says, Just Do It, makes me work for Nike. Yes, can you please talk about Lucifer and D'Evils? How is that proof?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I don't assume anything. You are the one that is assuming that all this is just coincidence and making excuses for his actions. I deal with facts and the fact is if he choses to wear a hoodie promoting a Satanic philosophy then I am going to call him out on it. Further more, I didn't bring the hoodie into play, you did. If you had the same hoodie on I would call you out to.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 I have yet to make one excuse or say anything is coincidence. In order for me to do that I will have to first accept your conclusion that Jay-Z is a satanist. You still have yet to prove that.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Getting tired of talking to the sheeple but here goes. I am sure you have good reasons why he would name his songs "Lucifer" and "D'Evils" or devils so I will move on and save you the time of making up an excuse. Let's take the "D'Evils" song. He starts it off by sampling snoop's "Dear God, I wonder can you save me?" which is from a song/video where snoop sold his soul to the devil. He then samples from Prodigy, who has come out against the Illuminati/NWO. TBC
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 I have interpreted D"Evils which is linked on the video above. The song which is over ten years old, is about how he was a drug dealer and being in the drug game simply makes you more evil as you get bigger in the drug game. I don't know how you got satanism out of that song. The song imagery is wordplay is expressing the evils of power that comes with the drug game. Hence, he mentions praying to Gotti, as in John Gotti, former Mob leader.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero (Cont.) Jay then says "That's right it wicked, that's life I live it. Ain't asking for forgiveness for my sins." Spin that how you want but he is openly saying the life he lives is wicked and he isn't about to repent. He then says he is leathal, infected with the devils. He goes on to say "My soul is possessed by the devils". Then he ends it with "Stop screamin', you know the demon said it's best to die, and even if Jehovah whitness, bet he'll never testify, devils."
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 LoL...so a song he did ten years ago and where he's role playing through out the song as a drug dealer is taling about Jay-Z in 2010? Mind you, he says he's not "asking for forgiveness, endz."<--- meaning money. The problem buddy is that you're unskilled at interpretation and its because you're mind is skewed by all the sensationalism, hence, you read back that stuff in a song he did ten year ago.
derocdero 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 also. we don;t have to pretend, the hoodie is designed by a fashion designer and its an expensive hoody costing about $400 and it can be purchased online. Anyone with $400 to spend can buy that hoodie.
derocdero 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 The hoodie was designed by John Galliano.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero What is your point? If Galliano designed it that doesn't change what the quote means or the fact that Jay Z chose to wear it. If I were to wear a hoodie that has a direct quote on it then I would be endorsing that quote, whether I made it or not. You can offer up all the excuses you want but that doesn't change the fact that Jay made the decision to promote that quote by wearing it.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 The quote is best understood within a context and there are several contexts that the quote can fit in. Saint Augustine meant it in one way and Alister Crowley meant it another way. Once its taken way from its context, the quote's meaning is up for grabs. However, there is little room for interpretive freedom even though isolated from its context. Do what though wilt means do what you want. But to leap from that and conclude that Jay-Z is a satanist is absurd.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero You are rediculous. Saint Augustine's quote was "Love, and do what thou wilt". If the quote on his hoodie had said that then you would have a point. But it doesn't say that does it. Look, I realize you can't admit it is from Crowley because then you have no valid excuse for it but you need to wake up and stop defending someone who is clearly pushing a Satanic agenda.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 So by you're own reason then you have no basis for connecting him to Alister Crowley since his actual words are, " Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law." That's what Alister Crowley wrote. You should be saying oops.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero What? Come on now, stop reaching. "Do what thou wilt" is what Crowley said shall be the whole of the law. There is no need for someone to put the entire quote on a hoodie when "Do what thou wilt" is the message Crowley pushed and the message that Jay Z decided to promote by wearing it.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 you're double talking bruh. You said that if it was from Saint Augustine then the whole quote would be on the hoodie. Well, the whole quote from Crowley was not on the hoodie so based on your logic, its not from Crowley. But again, even if it was from either, nothing can be concluded accept that Jay-Z agrees with that idea along with many others.
derocdero 1 year ago
Just about everything has a plausible alternative explanation but we use discernment as given by the Holy Spirit. This world is controlled by Satan, demons are in full operation in and through entertainment and entertainers. If you ignore the imagery and evidence presented against Jay on the basis of symbolism, you cant deny the evidence of his lifestyle and lyrics. Also, remember his wife professes Christ and wore a Baphomet dress, but according to your logic, that weak evidence.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV No, not true, just about anything does not have a plausible explanation and if it does,the concept of certainty does not exist. And if it doesn't exist then how do you justify the absolute nature of certain accusations? Can you please justify your certainty here?
derocdero 1 year ago
Ok, you have the right to say Jesus can't save me...plead for help. But if you have not been in front of millions, the power of the excited crowd...you have the power to persuade the crowd to believe...it a different when you say Jesus can't save you. For you to believe that means you are not connect.
raynay1500 1 year ago
I have never heard any of your vids before today but after watching this video I went back and watched some of your other vids about Jay Z. In every video you make excuses for Jay Z and his actions. You continue to call it rumors, baring false whitness, and conspiracy theories. I am not gonna talk down to you but I really suggest you take the time to really dig into all of this and see what it really is. Jay Z is just a small piece of a much bigger puzzle....
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 The fact is the people at the very top of the Illuminati/Elite/Bankers/whatever you want to call them do worship Satan and it is a documented fact that they want to convert the massess to Satanism and eliminate Christians and Christianity. I will leave you with this. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 that's a key verse for what is really going on but many Christians fail to acknowledge the supernatural implications of what is really going on in this world so when they are confronted with if they shy away or are in denial of the very scriptures they profess to believe in. Scripture tells us the whole world lies in the wicked one, Satan controls this world and those who are part of it are under his kingdom and authority, some knowingly (JayZ) others unknowingly (average sinner)
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV I'm a charismatic Christian yet I thing all this jay-z fiasco is based off of nothing but lies, sensationalism, and misinformation.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I'm familiar with your stance on what has been presented about Jay Z. I disagree with your assessment because the evidence shows that he is heavily involved in occult activity, he promotes it and has millions participating in the rituals across the globe. Now you stand by your belief and I stand by mine. I don't agree with you nor do you agree with me. I could say using your logic that you are falsely accusing the brethren in regards to Jay but there is no need to do so.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV What evidence? The "Do What Thou Wilt Shirt," the imagery in the videos, the lines under question such as the "Jesus can't save you life starts when the Church ends," and "I pray to Gotti," and are all weak evidences that have plausible alternative explanations to them not to mention that certain accusations were misquotes of his raps and the 666 murder murder Jesus track was shown to be fabrication by a DJ Danger Mouse.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero everything you mentioned minus the misquotes and DJ Danger Mouse are evidence. Yes, they are occult evidence that showcase real intent. If you find them to be not enough that's your choice. I can't ignore them because they hold much weight. Not only is Jay Z involved but many of the top artist who are being presented to the masses are. So, if you have chosen to ignore these proofs and disregard them, it's fine by me but to say it has no merit is just not worth debating.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV I'm asking you to reveal the merit. Merits are earned. There are no such thing as brute facts or uninterpreted facts/evidences. Now, you have omitted the 666 Murder Murder Jesus as valid evidence. Great! That's one piece of evidence has been the foundation that many of his witch hunters stand on. I'm glad you acknowledge the misquotes, such as him never saying he was a Mason but that he's "IN Maison Martin Margiela," a french clothing brand. Which evidences you find certain?
derocdero 1 year ago
@HannielTV Exactly
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 I agree with Ephesians 6:12 whole-heartedly but what does that have to do with my defense against Jay-Z accusations? Are you assuming that one can't agree with Eph. 6:12 and yet defend Jay-Z?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero I don't assume anything and I didn't say you can't believe that verse and then defend someone you think is not guilty. But if you agree with the verse then how can you turn around and say that non of that exist and it is just a "conspiracy theory". As for Jay Z. You still have the right in America (at least for now) to defend him but when your only proof that this is a "witch hunt" is that it is poetry and that you think stuff is out of context. What does he need to do?
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 What verse are you talking about? In regards to defending Jay-Z, um, the nature of poetry, and rightly understanding something in context is VERY important. Get those two things wrong and it leads to misunderstanding and worst, start to build a case around a misunderstanding and upload it on Youtube then what you have is a wild fire of rumors spreading out of control on cyber space which has led to the witch hunt. Every witch hunter has been wrong about Jay-Z 's lyrics.
derocdero 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 why do you assume that I have not "digged into all of this?"
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero My point was that someone who really takes the time to look into everything can't come to any other conclusion then there is a small percentage of people plotted to not only rule everything, but to bring the Christian religion to its knees and spread their Satanic agenda. There is way to much undeniable proof that this is the case.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 where is your undeniable proof?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Of the overal agenda which is much bigger than Jay Z or any entertainer? Where you want me to start?
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 Jay-Z, my video is about the witch hunt on Jay-Z. So, please, where is this undeniable proof?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero What you either don't understand or refuse to accept is that Jay Z is a very small piece is a much larger agenda. This is way bigger then Jay Z. This is bigger then all the other artist who have sold their souls. They are just used to promote the overall agenda which is an attack on God and the Christian faith. Through their words, videos, ect., entertainers are the currupting people through their propaganda. This is by design and if you can't see that then it may have worked on you.
trendsetter74 1 year ago
@trendsetter74 I rather focus on Jay-Z since he's the topic. If you can prove that Jay-Z is a satanist than how much better will you do with something bigger than Jay-Z, really?
derocdero 1 year ago
As a woman of God and a follower of Christ I know what the bible says about reaching the lost and I'm sure that Hammer does too. The devil is busy collecting his cohorts to pervert our young people with all this crap that people call rap. Kanye is appalled, no I am appalled of the fact everyone is getting fat off so many idiotic lyrics that they are pumping into the minds of young people. Hammer just let him know if u r servin the devil you better run from that lake of fire that last 4ever run
Chellyd777 1 year ago
@Chellyd777 Hammer did nothing but embarrass himself.
derocdero 1 year ago
I say it is harder for this man(Jay-z) to come to Christ by man. Like Paul the Lord have to do it. If I was Jay-z I would be a little afraid of the nuts. I have no concern of someone who put out record for a sell. But when you tell million that Jesus cannot save you. Maybe you better run, run.
raynay1500 1 year ago
@raynay1500 Its funny that those same millions never heard the song I'm on the rock by Jay Z When he says
"Lord Jesus please be my savior Lord knows I got a whole lot of haters"
Naw they not gone notice that song or expose it cuz then they contradict they self when they actually think Jay Z was saying Jesus can't save you Why would JayZ ask Jesus to save him if he thought he could'nt do it for no one Jay-Z was saying like we all say Jesus is not going to save some people cuz they dont believe
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago 2
@2965islyfegodfrey Well put, exactly.
derocdero 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey Jay Z is not a believer in Jesus nor in His ability to save Him. His lifestyle tells you that, there is nothing to expose. Every time Jay drops a song he spits in the face of Jesus because he loves money and fame. How could someone take a lyric like that to say Jay believes Jesus can save, he doesn't want to be saved because he either has never been humbled or has rejected the truth or never heard the truth. We all heard the song and personally I don't agree with Cruz interp.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV The only thing you said relevant is the fact that you don't agree with my interp. Care to share your own?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero Everthing I said was relevant and factual.
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV You obviously don't believe in Jesus or You would know Jesus can save anyone Who calls on his holy name The song I was referring to was "I'm on the rock" by Jay-Z and you must not have heard it or you would'nt have responded to me with such a ignorant comment SMH
2965islyfegodfrey 1 year ago
@2965islyfegodfrey You nor anyone else could possibly walk away from my comment believing I don't believe in Jesus, your assessment is ignorant. Jay lives a life contrary to Christ so if you feel that he is saved or on the way to salvation because of those lyrics then you are sadly mistaken. Jesus is able to save anyone who REPENTS and calls on Him, Jay hasn't done so, he mocks Christ so if you feel that I am so how wrong for my statement so be it, I follow the WOrd not opinions based on bias
HannielTV 1 year ago
Every single person that isn't born again is under the control and influence of the World System which is ruled and governed by Satan. This doesn't make Jay Z any worse than any other sinner it just points out the spiritual nature of what is really going on in this world by addressing the obvious symbolism he chooses to use in his videos and with his hands which aren't important just very revealing as to how deep his personal involvement is in the occult.
galvie3000 1 year ago 5
ok b4 any1 else makes another video saying that hammer is coming from out of a rock read this In 1995, Hammer released the album Inside Out, peaking at 119 on the Billboard Charts, In 1998, MC Hammer released Family Affair 2001 MC Hammer released Active Duty, released Full Blast 2006 he decided to create a digital label to release his tenth studio album, Look Look Look now he has his own label and mma mangement company, and a video website like youtube and a mma clothing line
PartyBoyBigT 1 year ago
@PartyBoyBigT How does this relate to the fact that his diss was childish?
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero i didnt say it wasnt childish u just saying hammer is just coming out from under a rock which he didnt so i was just setting the recored straight and wana talk about childish the whole damn thing is childish Jay-Z talk crap o look how much money i got blah blah blah thats childish 2
PartyBoyBigT 1 year ago
@derocdero he was making the point that people keep saying hammer been sleeping under a rock..then all of a sudden made a dis record..
when the truth is..apparently..he has been working and has not been sleeping under a rock.
he was not commenting on whether the diss was childish or not.
pheonixphire 1 year ago
@pheonixphire I agree but dig it right, the comment that Hammer just came from under a rock did not imply that he wasn't doing nothing but rather the masses knew nothing about what hammer was or is doing then out of no where he comes out with a lame diss track. That's all I was saying.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero that implication is indeed there whether you meant it or not. By default that is the implication. You would have to go into detail in order to be clear for MOST people not to come away with the implication that he hasn't been doing anything or that he is using this to sell his new song toward Jay Z. Personally, I believe he is using this to market his song but that's besides the point.
All diss songs are childish because you have to inflate your own ego to one up another. tick 4 tack
HannielTV 1 year ago
@HannielTV agree, all diss songs are childish but there are warranted offenses then there are unwarranted ones. Hammer's offense showed that he does not understand rap music or at least Jay-Z's rap music.
derocdero 1 year ago
exactly, look at the end qoute writen on the notebook. "life begins when da church ends, jessus cant save u!"
wtf is that? that's not something any real christian would say.
SonicArmament 1 year ago
@SonicArmament That was what Jay-Z said in Empire State of Mind and the person in the video was impersonating Jay-Z writing. Jay-Z is not a Christian.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero ohhhh, ok.
SonicArmament 1 year ago
Hammer only used the devil worshipping rumors to get people's attention if he tried the typical diss record no one would take him seriously so basically he is using his christian background as a tool to diss the Jigga man he was interviewed about the video today (11/4/10) and when the interviewer asked him about why he did it he answered with the typical Jay Z hurt my feelings resonse so all my fellow christians buying into hammer's B.S. about how he wants to save Jay Z , C'mon son!!
nikkidoom200 1 year ago 2
@nikkidoom200 good points!
derocdero 1 year ago
YOUR BLIND U CANT SEE U GO LOOK AT THE COVER OF JAYZ NEW BOOK INTIL U SEE IT THEN RESPOND TO THIS POST.OPEN YOUR EYES
ARCHIE3865 1 year ago
@ARCHIE3865 Saw it.
derocdero 1 year ago
I don't get Christians call Jesus the "Lord"...He's not God...
ralynnandme1 1 year ago
@ralynnandme1 Stay on topic.
derocdero 1 year ago 2
@derocdero But can you answer it? I'm curious.
ralynnandme1 1 year ago
@derocdero Jay-Z isn't even the real point of it homie. Jay-Z is just a figure head, just like Nas is, just like all the other celebrities are. But the thing is Jay-Z is the most arrogant about it.
How bout Jack Black praying to satan at the MTV music awards? You thought it was a joke? Seen the pick of destiny? Nigga wearin a damn baphomet head around his neck.
The point is not to crucify Jay-Z the point is stop the ones above him who are causing the real damage. Jay-Z compared is unimportant.
bakerboisp 1 year ago
@derocdero And, also what does the bible say about ones who deal in the dark and practice witch craft?
Ones who promote death and killing, greed and by their own understanding aid people who would cause harm to the world. These people are no longer innocents when they apply the mark on their own heads.
They're just like their father. Maybe you should stop trying to damage control for your frat brothers. There are a lot of churches who are into this as well.
Witch hunt, pssh. They killin US!
bakerboisp 1 year ago
2:52 - 3:18 is the point.
The behavior of Christians over time repeatedly acting like lynch mobs to anyone who does not believe is in direct opposition to what Christianity is all about.
rye22 1 year ago
@rye22 Exactly!
derocdero 1 year ago
LOL wow!
LongshotRecordsTV 1 year ago
Who care it was just a line in a song.... Mc hammer need to get over and move on
cadillac180 1 year ago
@cadillac180 he needs to do more than that, he needs to humble himself and face Jay-Z and apologize for being childish.
derocdero 1 year ago
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@derocdero I jus whole heardtedly disagree. as it is written ANSWER A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOLLY LET HE BE WISE IN HIS OWN CONCEITS.
Ju1Williams 1 year ago
it wasnt only about Jay saying sumtin abt Hammer it was also abt the fact that Jay says Jesus cant save us and Hammer is pretty big on religion. now as far as Jay he a bitch cuz u would u go out nd say sumtin abt Hammer bt den he wont respond to Beanie Sigel. nd Hammer might have been a preacher but he aint a Jesus so if he feels he needs to respond to Jay Z he should b able to do so. nd if jayz is atheist he should keep it 2 himself cuz he has way to many followers nd ppl r effected by it.
b16ryder 1 year ago
@b16ryder Did you even hear the verse? MC Hammer got a fragile ego because there was no diss in that line at all.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero ohh I never said Hammer was dissin Jay he just responded to him... and of course Jay Z said he didnt even mean anything bad about hammer when he dropped his line and apparently in his new book he says lots of nice things about him. but im agreeing with hammer on this one cuz jay z is extremely successful and if hes runnin around saying jesus cant save us and keeps throwing demonic symbols ppl are gonna be like why am I praying to God? Cuz ppl are weak minded and most are followers.
b16ryder 1 year ago
@b16ryder But that's just it, all those things are lies. Jay-Z's line was taken out of context, he's not a satanist or a free mason.
derocdero 1 year ago
@derocdero ok thats what im trying to understand then, what is jayz's problem i mean the music video for on to the next one is full of satanic symbols and images... whats up with that...??? why?? and thats what MC hammer is doing he is trying to reach him hes not dissing him at the end of the video he stops the demon and tries to purify Jay Z
b16ryder 1 year ago 2