@douggie7772010 ABSOLUTELY! I WANT TOE NAILS, SNOT, AND RAT SHOT IN MY FOOD! THE FDA WANTS TO ENSURE THAT OUR MEAT AND DAIRY PRODUCTS ARE CLEAN! CLEARLY, THEY HAVE A FUCKED UP AGENDA!
Christ, are there any moronic beliefs Ron Paul loonies object to from their Dear Leader?
@douggie7772010 thatd be the dumbest thing you could do..if someone killed him it would start an insurgent campaign..i dont think you understand how serious his supporters are
great to see people standing up on many issues, food being one of the essentials. but there's something wrong going on in this video: a caravan of gas-consuming cars. the US military and state dept have literally been hijacked, dragging the US into a succession of illegal conflicts for procurement of oil to run these trucks on the raw milk freedom ride.
911 was an inside job, used to usher in the patriot act, leading to the systematic erosion of rights, including the right to drink raw milk.
@mispistoleros Govt interfered with the "right to drink raw milk" before the Patriot Act and 9-11. The FDA reg banning interstate transpo, distribution&sale was in effect in 1987. You're only hearing about the ban now because the traditional foods movement is more vocal.
@whatthedormousesaid, actually, you're right and i'm aware of it but wanted to point out the the general degradation of rights as well as put it in perspective to the 911 fraud and petrol wars.
@whatthedormousesaid, i first became aware of agro-business corrupt policies in guatemala, where i witnessed the development of the first nestle boycott. my bad. great nick, by the way...cheers
@whatthedormousesaid Since RAW MILK SALE is a STATE ISSUE and mostly LEGAL than where's the restriction? The ladies make a claim in their video that raw dairies, and buying clubs, and co-ops across the country are getting raided, yet so far I've found a small handful of cases like this and it wasn't because of interstate transport, It was lack of proper permits and other violations. I keep asking for you to provide more sources and answer my questions, and you avoid the topic. A laughing fool.
@JoeDiehl37 Interstate raw milk sale, distribution & transport is a FEDERAL ISSUE! Do I need to post the CFR again? Do I need to refer you to what she says at 0:23 again? They are protesting RAW MILK INTERSTATE TRANSPORT.
@JoeDiehl37 And since you're too ignorant to do a Google search. Here's apartial list of those farms/cowshares/coops that have been raided by, warned by or taken to court by the FDA/Federal govt for the interstate transport, distribution & sale of raw milk
Injunction on Organic Pastures Dairy for transporting raw milk from Cali to Nevada.
Rainbow Acres Farms in PA was raided & taken to court
Athen Locally Grown raided.
not surprisingly, you are wrong, again. Bored now.
@JoeDiehl37 Ah, so you think these women are crybabies because there are Govt Laws that deny them access to food. Would they be crybabies if there were Govt laws that denied them from owning property? Were the Founders crybabies because there were Govt Laws that denied them free speech, due process etc.?
I think YOU need to "grow up", learn to read, learn not to mock other opinions before knowing the facts yourself & stop spreading misinformation.
@whatthedormousesaid So at 1:00 when they say "When people aren't free to choose the food they eat, we're not free." is a half truth. We are free to drink raw milk, there is no law against it, and this statement makes it seem like you can't buy or drink raw milk at all. And at 4:34 when she starts talking about the government lied about milk, where is the evidence? Did all the third party non-government organizations and other world gov.s also lie? What did they lie about?
Modern day revolutionary fighters. They may not be fighting the red coats, they may not be picking up rifles, but little demonstrations like these, make a real impact. Keep up the good fight. Liberty and common sense always trumps ignorance. No man or institution has the right to put force on you because you disagree with what they state. If you want to make a transaction with a farmer and buy raw milk, smoke weed in your own house, do it. Leave people alone, respect their liberty, end of story.
Drinking raw milk at the moment, tastes so much better then the supermarket junk, and feel alot better too.
I think the REAL issue with raw milk is that it cuts out the middle man, so it's 'needs' to be pasturised and all of a sudden a middle man appears. After all, if you have a cow or goats, you can pretty much feed yourself, to the big companys horrors.
FDA! wear were they as the AIDS started breaking out? No wear they were busy making deals to drug makers for all the cancers, heart deseases , ect that the cooked , dirty milk has been producing in people for decades. Since AIDS has no cure, and at the time of break out no treatment the FDA should have done a quarintine of all the infected, but no they just set back and watched and still do as it continues to mass murder . Infected milk is the issue not raw. All milk is infected by pooling.
From a 2008 Science Daily article: "When we looked at the bacteria living in raw milk, we found that many of them had not been identified before," said Dr Malka Halpern from the University of Haifa, Israel. "We have now identified and described one of these bacteria, Chryseobacterium oranimense, which can grow at cold temperatures and secretes enzymes that have the potential to spoil milk." So yeah, let's just ship it for days cross country when it can spoil while refrigerated.
@JoeDiehl37 You blew it and are still blowing it on this issue because 1. You failed to do your research before shooting off your mouth that there are no federal laws about raw milk 2. you don't know the difference between interstate & intrastate 3. you didn't & still don't understand the point of this demonstration, 4. you keep making FALSE claims about FEDERAL laws and regs. That's why you have ABSOLUTELY NO Credibility on this issue.
@whatthedormousesaid Also, who profits from this law? It's not the consumers, it's not the FDA (they have to spend money to enforce the law), Is it big dairies? Couldn't be, that's an in demand product. Who else could profit from this law except for raw milk ONLY dairies, and no one is forcing them to commit to raw milk ONLY. they are free to choose what milk products they produce. Who is profiting off this federal regulation 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 found under Communicable diseases?
@whatthedormousesaid You've spent more time trying to discredit me than provide anything useful. Did I lie about intRAstate sale not having a federal reg. against it? Was I lying when I said pasteurized milk has a longer shelf life? Was I spreading misinformation when I said 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 was a fed reg under "COMMUNICABLE DISEASES"? Was I presenting a false statement when I said "I was wrong about there being no law on interstate transport"? Where's my lack of credibility?
@JoeDiehl37 "Did I lie about intRAstate sale not having a federal reg. against it?" ha ha ha. So you admit you misused the word as a way to discredit the protesters who are protesting an INTERSTATE law. ha ha ha. You don't need me to discredit you----you do fine job of it yourself.
@whatthedormousesaid you laugh because it was all you could do. You didn't answer any of those questions either because in this case you know all those statements were TRUE! and rather than admit it you laugh at me trying to make me seem like the fool, when you completely avoided the topic. That, my moronic friend, discredits you, not me, and makes you the fool. Again were any of those statements I made false? Were they? WERE THEY? Didn't think so.
@JoeDiehl37 hahaha you still don't realize how stupid you look. You mock these protesters & try to justify your mockery by saying there is no intrastate laws against raw milk transport, eventhough they're protesting intERstate transport laws.hahaha.you got it all wrong, and you're still doing damage control when you can't.hahaha.Keep digging your hole, er, posting your defense. hahaha.
@whatthedormousesaid You blew it and are still blowing it because 1) You took way too long to point out I used the wrong term of intRAstate vs intERstate. 2) You couldn't just accept it when I admitted to being wrong but keep throwing it back in my face 3) You don't understand that the point of this demonstration was founded under false pretenses 4) You keep making false claims about me making false claims 5) You're a moron 6) Refer to #5 7) Refer to #'s 5 & 6
@JoeDiehl37 hahaha. So it's my fault I didn't correct your earlier? the demonstration is only under "false pretenses" if they were protesting inTRAstate laws. But they weren't: they were protesting inTERstate laws. So you blew it again. hahaha. You're only calling me a moron because I outed you. hahaha. Keep digging yourself a bigger hole. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
@whatthedormousesaid It's under flase pretense because they are are spreading misinformation about the reason behind INTERSTATE transport, claiming the FDA lies about Raw Milk health and safety without providing any evidence to support such claims. And you laugh at me when I asked "Did I lie about intRAstate sale not having a federal reg. against it?" because you know it wasn't a lie, and therefore no discredit to myself. You're arguments against me are invalid.
State by state issue. Not a federal one. 30 states allow intrastate transport of raw milk. with that said, I hope the intelligent people out there recognize how this whole video is based upon false pretenses. People have a right to ignore that fact and I'll let them. You may now collectively rejoice as I resign from commenting any more on this issue. I just hope you all can wise up.
DON'T LISTEN TO ME OR THESE PEOPLE, USE YOUR BRAIN AND LISTEN TO YOURSELF. DO EXPERIMENTS, DO RESEARCH, GATHER INFORMATION FROM BOTH SIDES OF AN ISSUE. TRACE THE SOURCES OF THE INFORMATION. Right now it's a few moms VS science and history. CHOOSE YOUR SIDE WISELY.
@JoeDiehl37 I agree no one should listen to you: you shot your mouth off that there are no laws about interstate raw milk transport & sales, when they do exist.If people listened to you, they'd falsely believe those regs don't exist. Face it, on this topic you have no credibility.
PS, I don't drink milk because I'm lactose intolerant. So raw v pasteurized v. ultrapasteurized has no direct effect on me. But I won't make false statements and mock others.
@whatthedormousesaid where is your credibility? I can admit to my mistakes, I think that makes me pretty damn credible. I reference sources from both sides of the issue and provided links for you to see for yourself. You have nothing useful to say, you make claims and don't cite your sources, you belittle me for a mistake I fessed up to, and you choose to ignore any facts I present, and you have the audacity to say I'm not credible? Sit on that for a while.
@whatthedormousesaid Go to fda DOT gov /Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/MilkSafety/ucm277854 DOT htm and find this paragraph "However, in light of concerns that have been raised about potential FDA actions, we want to remind the public that FDA does not regulate the intrastate sale or distribution of raw milk. Whether to permit the sale and distribution of raw milk within a state is for the state to decide."
@JoeDiehl37FYI: IntERstate is different from IntRAstate. IntERstate means from state to state. IntRAstate means within a single state.The people in this video are protesting intERstate transport of raw milk which is illegal according to 21 C.F.R. §1240.61.
Again, you have no credibility on this issue. And I hope no one listens to the misinformation you've tried to spread here.
@whatthedormousesaid So I got the terminology wrong, and you're arguing semantics. Beating a dead horse into the ground, repeatedly. I don't know how many times I've admitted to being wrong, which lends to my credibility, rather than takes away from it. It only proves I'm honest. Again I cite multiple sources, and you keep referring to only one. regardless, it's a stupid law to protest. there are much more deserving issues that need our attention.
@JoeDiehl37 This is more than "semantics". There's a REAL difference between intERstate & inTRAstate. I keep quoting 21 C.F.R. §1240.61. because it's a Federal reg that regulates the intERstate transport, sale and distribution of raw milk.
These protesters state at 0:23 the intent of their protest---to transport raw milk from Pennsylvania to Maryland (hint: that's intERstate transport) which is a direct violation of FEDERAL Law.
@whatthedormousesaid And why'd it take you so long to point out I kept saying intRAstate instead of intERstate? That would've cleared up so much confusion.
@whatthedormousesaid It's also not just what they are protesting, but why: They claim it's the government restricting people's access to healthy food, and that is false. If it were true, then all raw milk and transport of would be illegal. Not only that but your source of 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 has the title of CONTROL OF COMMUNICABLE DISEASES. It's easy to claim that I'm spreading misinformation without providing any evidence.
@JoeDiehl37 Via 21 C.F.R. §1240.61. the Feds ARE restricting access to food. A lawsuit was brought to the Federal court in Iowa. case5:10cv04018MWB document 1-11is the Fed's response to the suit. In part it states :"there is no absolute right to consume or feed to children any food".
So it IS a fact you ARE spreading misinformation about Federal regs regarding raw milk transport, sales and distribution and about Fed regs limiting food choices.
@whatthedormousesaid what's your evidence to prove the claims of the FDA to be false? why not go to keep our food safe DOT org what's your evidence to prove these women are right in their claims about raw milk and it's benefits?
@JoeDiehl37 In case you never noticed. My posts have been limited to the LEGAL issues surrounding raw milk. That's because I'm for letting the INDIVIDUAL make decisions about what foods he/she wants to eat. I'm not a Statist who wants the govt to decide what I'm having for breakfast, lunch and dinner due to "food safety" or due to "helping the economy".
@whatthedormousesaid To quote you, "I agree no one should listen to you: you shot your mouth off that there are no laws about interstate raw milk transport & sales, when they do exist.If people listened to you, they'd falsely believe those regs don't exist." how would they falsely believe the regs don't exist when I on numerous occasions recognized the existence of the reg and even referenced it? "But I won't make false statements and mock others." You are guilty of both.
"farm to consumer . org", provides additional info on which STATE allows raw milk sale. So RAW MILK SALE IS A STATE BY STATE legal issue, NOT A FEDERAL ISSUE. The only federal law regulates INTRASTATE TRANSPORT with the intention to "sell, otherwise distribute, or hold for sale or other distribution" But doesn't regulate PERSONAL CONSUMPTION. (delete spaces in web address)
@JoeDiehl37 i'm happy that you finally read the reg. Now you can quote it properly(which you did not before) and can stop spreading misinformation about the Federal regulation of raw milk. And after viewing this video again, you'll understand concerns of these protesters, rather than blowing them off as you did.
To quote wikipedia: "In 2009, 29 U.S. states allowed sales of raw milk in some form.[7] In other parts of the world, raw milk can often be bought directly from the farmer. Arizona, California and Washington allow raw milk sales in retail stores with appropriate warning labeling. As of May 2010, Massachusetts only allows direct sales from farm to consumer, resulting in "buying clubs" where consumers pool transportation resources to obtain raw milk more conveniently.[11]"
quote 2: "In essence you're also saying that when a mother boils an empty baby bottle to sterilize it, is morally wrong, since the baby didn't and couldn't have a say. Think real long and hard over everything I said in all previous comments and try to prove anything I said invalid. As you've seen I'M WILLING TO ADMIT TO BEING WRONG (IN THE CASE OF THERE BEING NO LAW)..."
@whatthedormousesaid you obviously haven't read anything I've posted. For starters, I've agreed that unpasteurized milk spoils, but IT HAS A LONGER SHELF LIFE making it capable of LONG DISTANCE TRAVEL OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT SPOILING. I've also admitted to being wrong about there being no law, in 2 REPLIES TO YOU SPECIFICALLY. Here's quote 1: "@whatthedormousesaid Great find. I was looking for something exactly like this, and although it PROVES ME WRONG..."
It's come to my attention that there are federal regulations put in place for the treatment of drinking water. The government is trying to limit people's access to raw water. Let us protest this unjust act! People should have a right to consume raw water and ingest beaver fever. Let's all contract cholera as an act of protest.
I agree 100% that raw milk should be legal and should be left to the people's decision on what they wish to drink because I believe in a free society we should be able to eat, smoke, and inject whatever we want into OUR bodies and we are smart and responsible enough to make our own decisions on what we decide to buy.
BUT
I think you people should be aware that raw milk may taste better but is MUCH more dangerous and not healthier in any way
this video sums it up pretty well: watch?v=6VbwYqV4Eog
@kizilbasi Actually, it would be doing it for all Americans. Only simpletons believe that we need the FDA, the Department of Education etc. In fact, in the matter of the Department of Education, it is a fact that since its inception, the quality of education received by American children in the state system has declined dramatically. Never mind though, put your fingers in your ears chant, "LA LA LA LA I CAN HERE U" over and over, because that is the best the numbskull class can do as a rebuttal
Peak behind the curtain people! Ask yourselves this " Why are there cops present?" You ever hear of the raw milk police, cuz i haven't. Someone must've called them, and the only ones who knew about this protest taking place at that specific time and place were the protesters. The protesters probably called the cops to garner support from viewers like you, by introducing the "villain". No arrests were made in the video, because no law was broken.
@charlesrosaly what exactly is your point? My point is that these ladies are spreading misinformation and propaganda in a publicity stunt for a message with no meaning. Spreading lies detracts from a person's ability to make an informed decision. There is nothing suggesting that I drink milk, raw or not, in my previous comments, and even if I did it's a moot point. My message to everyone is don't give these drama queens any more attention because they don't deserve it.
To further my point even further, the FDA doesn't regulate or even enforce a law regarding the intrastate transport of raw milk. There is no federal law, only state laws, and only 20 participating states. So what exactly are these ladies protesting? Since I can't post a url, just go to the FDA website and search "raw milk transport". EPIC FAIL!
@JoeDiehl37 I don't drink milk. But if you want to drink milk. Then go ahead and may no one ever point at a gun at you for drinking raw milk. No one points a gun at me for any reason. And that is final.
@JoeDiehl37 There IS a Federal regulation regarding this : 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 It states that only pasteurized dairy products for human consumption can be transported across state lines. Raw milk, by definition, is not pasteurized.
@whatthedormousesaid Great find. I was looking for something exactly like this, and although it proves me wrong about there being no law, it proves me right about it being founded under principals regarding the spread of communicable diseases. I won't say raw milk is unhealthy, but the reality is that it doesn't keep well and provides and excellent breeding ground for micro-organisms. To deny that fact is being ignorant, and insult to Louis Pasteur.
@JoeDiehl37 Pasteurized milk also "doesn't keep well and provides an excellent breeding ground for microorganisms." If it did, it wouldn't spoil.
Bottom line is how much you want the govt involved in your life. If you want the govt to dictate to you what you can & can't eat, demand more legislation. If you don't, then demand a change in the laws.
@whatthedormousesaid Yeah in INTRASTATE COMMERCe, but other than that YOU CAN LEGALLY BUY RAW MILK FROM DAIRIES OR STORES in your home state if STATE LAWS allow, and you can even buy raw milk from another state and TRANSPORT IT ACROSS STATE LINES AND CONSUME IT if it is for PERSONAL CONSUMPTION. IT"S NOT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING ME WHAT OR WHAT NOT TO EAT, it's the government .RESTRICTING THE SPREAD OF COMMUNICABLE DISEASES. your own link PROVES THAT POINT.
@JoeDiehl37 you wrote there is no Federal law that ban the sale of raw milk--meaning no Federal law exists that prohibits the sale of milk. But one DOES exist. Re-read the reg: it prohibits the sale/transpo/distribution of unpasteurized milk for HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Please read it before you quote from it.
If the govt forbids the sale/purchase of a food, it essentially prohibits you from eating that food (unless you grow it yourself). Read up on why stevia took so long to be legalized in the US.
These ladies are completely misguided. They're fighting for our right to diarrhea. The government isn't trying to restrict people's access to healthy food, they're trying to limit people's exposure to food born disease. The same law that prevents raw milk from being transported is comparable to why farmers can't sell spinach if there is even the risk it may have been contaminated with salmonella or E Coli. There is no federal law preventing anyone from buying or selling raw milk. FAIL!
@whatthedormousesaid the government has regulations over tap water, what pesticides can be used, that food be properly washed and processed on sanitary equipment. Are all those laws worth fighting against? Quit being a moron and focusing on milk, because milk is not the issue. The point to the law is to prevent the spread of disease, and to say otherwise is false, being paranoid of "big brother" and makes you seem like a misinformed idiot.
@whatthedormousesaid try googling Louis Pasteur and see how much of an insult you are to him, also google pasteurization and learn something. True unpasteurized milk can spoil, but it has a much longer shelf life, which means it won't spoil during intrastate travel. Pasteurization is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN, meaning that experiments are repeatable and YOU CAN EXPERIMENT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF as I did in biology. Who'd you rather believe, someone making a claim based on opinion, or YOUR OWN SELF?
@JoeDiehl37 Not disputing pasteurization kills some bacteria. But pasteurized milk STILL spoils. If you don't believe me, leave a container of milk out of the frig for a few days and see what happens (you can do that experiment in the privacy of your own home and you don't need Louis Pasteur to do it for you.)
In essence you're also saying that when a mother boils an empty baby bottle to sterilize it, is morally wrong, since the baby didn't and couldn't have a say. Think real long and hard over everything I said in all previous comments and try to prove anything I said invalid. As you've seen I'm willing to admit to being wrong (in the case of there being no law), obviously I'm not stubborn, and indeed open minded to both sides. My issue has never been about MILK, but rather DISEASE.
@JoeDiehl37 I never mentioned morality. I wrote "If you want the govt to dictate to you what you can & can't eat, demand more legislation. If you don't, then demand a change in the laws. "
As for your invalid points in your previous posts, I've addressed that. Before you say there are no laws about something: do some research & before you comment on them, read them thoroughly, so you don't look more ignorant.
@whatthedormousesaid I'VE ADMITTED TWICE TO BEING WRONG about the existence of 21 C.F.R. §1240.61, which SURPRISE, SURPRISE, is found under COMMUNICABLE DISEASES. If you want RAW MILK, GO OUT AND BUY IT, LEGALLY, again that's LEGALLY. If you don't know where to find it, then here: "w w w. realmilk. com/where1. html" again you have provided no evidence to prove my points invalid, but beat a dead horse. Again, just to clarify: THE ISSUE IS NOT MILK, IT"S DISEASE.
@JoeDiehl37 the "issue" is the freedom for individuals to make their OWN decisions.
anyone who reads my pointing out that pasteurization doesn't not prevent spoilage as a denial of the spread of disease is ignorant.
As for accountability if one becomes ill from tattoos, raw milk, medications, etc. Under the doctrine of assumption of risk, it is the INDIVIDUAL who is accountable for his/her personal decisions as long as they are aware of the risks/benefits of their decisions.
@whatthedormousesaid EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE, you can choose to break the law or not. Quit being a baby and whining about there being consequences for taking an action. IT ISN'T MANDATORY TO PASTEURIZE ALL MILK, just milk for intrastate sale or distribution. No one ever claimed that pasteurized milk doesn't spoil, IT KEEPS LONGER THAN RAW MILK. Considering that INTRASTATE TRAVEL CAN TAKE SEVERAL DAYS, wouldn't you want the product to have a long shelf life? TRY DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
@whatthedormousesaid I also believe for individuals to make their OWN decisions. That's why I provide links and tell people to experiment for themselves. I also believe people should HAVE A FREEDOM TO MAKE WELL INFORMED DECISIONS. by spreading misinformation, you and these ladies are TRAMPLING ON THEIR FREEDOM!
@JoeDiehl37 It's really funny how you can write one day "Without those regulations in place you're giving dairies, restaurants, tattoo parlors, food processing facilities, hospitals, drug companies, and even school cafeterias the defense of "It was their choice to do it, they knew the risks." if something goes wrong. No one gets held accountable. ", & the next be all for individual choices & consequences of that choice.
@whatthedormousesaid The government puts regulations in place like that to HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, if something goes wrong. Surgeons have to wash their hands under GOVERNMENT ORDER, or else it's considered malpractice. Restaurants have to clean and process food on sanitary equipment per GOVERNMENT ORDER or else they get shut down. Tattoo parlors need to sanitize needles under GOVERNMENT ORDER. whether federal or state, governments hold people accountable. Can you see a pattern here?
@whatthedormousesaid Without those regulations in place you're giving dairies, restaurants, tattoo parlors, food processing facilities, hospitals, drug companies, and even school cafeterias the defense of "It was their choice to do it, they knew the risks." if something goes wrong. No one gets held accountable. TO DENY PASTEURIZED MILK PREVENTS THE SPREAD OF DISEASE is ignoring both SCIENCE and HISTORY, and thus makes you an IGNORAMUS, I can admit to being wrong, can you?
There are other laws regarding food these ladies should tackle. Why should the government tell me I need to wash my hands if I work in the food industry, or better yet, why not just process the food in the restroom? Why can't I serve someone food that's fallen on the floor? Why does the government tell me it is illegal to spit in someone's coffee before i serve it to them? Oh, right it's the bacteria and micro organisms. It's not just a matter of the FDA, but the CDC.
That's a bit misleading. The problem isn't the diet the cows are fed, it's the bacteria that can infect the milk once the milk has left the cow's udder. It's true that human beings have drinking milk long before pasteurization was invented, but people have also been boiling milk to rid it of disease for nearly as long. Pasteur got the idea for his process from watching 19th-century mothers boil their milk, because milk was so often the source of diseases that killed younger children and infants.
@MzProgressive Pasteurization has little to do with the issue of factory farming and animal feeding. It's a complex public health concern. Also the majority of the world population experience lactase deficiencies later on in their lives. As a species, we shouldn't be so dependent on milk.
It's disgusting that this day and age if you produce your own milk or not deemed acceptable by the FDA or Federal Government you are breaking a law. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves, destroy the federal reserve, IRS, and FDA. End these unconstitutional wars and convert this country back to the constitution. How you may ask?
Personally I haven't consumed dairy products in three years for ethical/health reasons yet, I support the actions of these people because they make choices and I(or the state) can't force them to stop putting it in their bodies.
Four feds don't like!!! you are right though you're not supposed to drink anything but her mother's milk from when u are born!!! I drank organic rice milk. so is not all that good for you either because most of it is genetically modified
Humans are only supposed to drink "mothers milk" and not really any other milk, its honestly against our nature, but hey more power to them for standing up for their rights
how the hell can you dislike this video, coz ur basically saying in disliking this video i want the government to decide what i eat, and not have the right to organic non - chemicalised food !, thumbs up if u agree, i wanna see that people understand this.
Bravo! Even better, in my opinion, is HEMP Milk! Farmers in the USA can freely produce this highly nutritious, easy to grow, no need for pesticides, in most soil types, highly sustainable food, can't they? Surely?
(facepalm) They do know that raw milk can be dangerous these days? Cows are feed corn, various grains, and even on occasion cow meat. It's not some random gov't bullshit, it's food safety!! You think you are losing freedom!!! You pathetic excuses for freedom fighters. Think of the brainwashed North Koreans, or the Chinese!!! You think you have it rough! Stop bothering you anarchist, you have no clue.
@Illier1 I recomend you revise your statment, do you know how the peoples you mentioned became like that? Very small and unoticable changes and overtime lost all freedoms they had and nobody could challenge them, if America continues down the road they are now it WILL become WAY worse then China simply due to the fact that most citizens in the country have guns and well...the police will fight themselfs to should this situation rise, every action has a reaction and you sir need to STFU
@12myersjonathan If you think that people passing laws against something as simple as milk is going to strip us of our rights and make us a dictatorship, I will have to laugh at you. It's food safety, not some government conspiracy to restrict your rights. If you all want no government control, go to Somalia or Rwanda, they certainly don't have governments that will suppress you. And while your at it send some poor African over so he can taste the freedom you seem to have forgotten.
@Illier1 Look, i was making the point that by not caring about what rights we have it will become the norm for them to be slowly encroched into nothingness...you seem to like to take thing to the extreme b saying i dont want any laws or restriction and by calling people who want MILK anarchists...seriously you seem to like pushing statment to their illogical degres...yes my spelling blows sue me.
i don't think that nature can be made illegal by anyone or anything, so any law passed by a government stating thusly should be ignored and passed off as ridiculous by the people.
Am I the only person who is a little tired of all the talk about being peaceful? Can anyone guess what Samuel Adams would have said about being peaceful?
The U.S, like many other places is a fascist state. these people know this and are doing great work to reclaim their freedom. I am so sick of the sight of cops whenever peaceful people protest, they need to just get out of the way and do something useful.
Long term use of "low fat" or "skimmed" milks can cause cataracts and bone loss. If you choose to drink milk or eat cheese, use "whole" milk products.
@landmark425 It's the principle of it. If you don't want to drink milk because you believe it's bad for you, the govt should not force you to drink it. If you do want to drink milk because you believe it's good for you, the govt should not prevent you from drinking it. Bottom line is YOU should be able to make decisions on the foods you want to eat/drink, not the govt.
@landmark425 Yeah, it's just the principle of it. But I do agree with you, milk is bad and so is all animal protein. People really should watch the documentary "Forks over Knives" on netflix, or read the book "The China Studies". From an evolutionary standpoint it just makes sense. Humans were never meant to eat large portions of animal protein.
@landmark425 Fallacy! Dairy products of all kinds have sustained the human race for millenia. Up until about 75 years ago, most of it was consumed raw. The problem with "modern" milk is that the cows are fed an unnatural diet. Ruminants were never meant to eat grain. Raw milk proponents recommend consumption from of products from GRASS FED COWS ONLY. This is how it was used traditionally, and with little danger.
Raw milk is creamy and delicious, and rife with "friendly" probiotics.
@MzProgressive It also has the DNA of the immunity of that cow, and it's whole lineage!! You might drink from a cow who is immune to cancer! But sadly, we have yet to find the DNA that makes you immune from stupity!
@landmark425 There are also people who say the same thing for just about every food there is. Some people think eggs are healthy. Others think just the yolks are unhealthy. Some people think certain kinds of lettuce have no nutrition. Others are salad freaks. There are conflicting medical and scientific studies all across the spectrum. The real truth is that everybody is different, different immune systems, different tolerances and probably have different dietary needs.
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klowdz1 3 days ago
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klowdz1 3 days ago
Raw milk is the BEST!!
ptuheim 1 week ago
Raw milk is a right not a privilege!
doit420sdf 2 weeks ago
@crothersdaniel I don't know why women would let babies drink straight from their udders, but I'm not going to stop them.
Not like tits or breastmilk are designed to be drank that way.
At least, according to the gov.
oblivionsdelightful 2 weeks ago
@oblivionsdelightful They will be regulating that next, lol.
TheCoop30301 1 week ago
I drink it. it tastes almost exactly the same
djfmafia1 1 month ago
look at these drug dealers
humantestdummy 1 month ago
FUCK THE FDA THE DIRTY ASS MOTHER FUCKERS CAN SUCK ON A FUCKING BOMB!
douggie7772010 2 months ago in playlist Civil Disobedience
@douggie7772010 ABSOLUTELY! I WANT TOE NAILS, SNOT, AND RAT SHOT IN MY FOOD! THE FDA WANTS TO ENSURE THAT OUR MEAT AND DAIRY PRODUCTS ARE CLEAN! CLEARLY, THEY HAVE A FUCKED UP AGENDA!
Christ, are there any moronic beliefs Ron Paul loonies object to from their Dear Leader?
HNK222 2 months ago
@HNK222 lol i know right Ron Paul needs to be taken out the old way lol assassination style lol lol lol lol!
douggie7772010 2 months ago
@douggie7772010 fucking hippies lol!
douggie7772010 2 months ago
@douggie7772010 thatd be the dumbest thing you could do..if someone killed him it would start an insurgent campaign..i dont think you understand how serious his supporters are
Krivaka 1 month ago
down with the milk fascists
lgarvey1979 2 months ago in playlist Civil Disobedience 4
Look at all that beautiful rich yellow milk yum.
ruzyque 2 months ago
great to see people standing up on many issues, food being one of the essentials. but there's something wrong going on in this video: a caravan of gas-consuming cars. the US military and state dept have literally been hijacked, dragging the US into a succession of illegal conflicts for procurement of oil to run these trucks on the raw milk freedom ride.
911 was an inside job, used to usher in the patriot act, leading to the systematic erosion of rights, including the right to drink raw milk.
mispistoleros 3 months ago
@mispistoleros Govt interfered with the "right to drink raw milk" before the Patriot Act and 9-11. The FDA reg banning interstate transpo, distribution&sale was in effect in 1987. You're only hearing about the ban now because the traditional foods movement is more vocal.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid, actually, you're right and i'm aware of it but wanted to point out the the general degradation of rights as well as put it in perspective to the 911 fraud and petrol wars.
mispistoleros 3 months ago
@mispistoleros I see your point, but what you posted gives the faulty impression that raw milk laws were a direct result of the Patriot Act and 9-11.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid, i first became aware of agro-business corrupt policies in guatemala, where i witnessed the development of the first nestle boycott. my bad. great nick, by the way...cheers
mispistoleros 3 months ago
}Love them donut-bellies!} "When's my donut n' coffee break! Damn, I could eat donut''s 10 times a day!" mmmmmmm! "burp, fart, belch!"
LucifersLapdog 3 months ago
They do not want us to have good health. AMAZING. Good for you! (btw - LOVE THE RON PAUL STICKER!!!!!)
chrisaalexander 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid Since RAW MILK SALE is a STATE ISSUE and mostly LEGAL than where's the restriction? The ladies make a claim in their video that raw dairies, and buying clubs, and co-ops across the country are getting raided, yet so far I've found a small handful of cases like this and it wasn't because of interstate transport, It was lack of proper permits and other violations. I keep asking for you to provide more sources and answer my questions, and you avoid the topic. A laughing fool.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 Interstate raw milk sale, distribution & transport is a FEDERAL ISSUE! Do I need to post the CFR again? Do I need to refer you to what she says at 0:23 again? They are protesting RAW MILK INTERSTATE TRANSPORT.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 And since you're too ignorant to do a Google search. Here's apartial list of those farms/cowshares/coops that have been raided by, warned by or taken to court by the FDA/Federal govt for the interstate transport, distribution & sale of raw milk
Injunction on Organic Pastures Dairy for transporting raw milk from Cali to Nevada.
Rainbow Acres Farms in PA was raided & taken to court
Athen Locally Grown raided.
not surprisingly, you are wrong, again. Bored now.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@hiruleshouse You're retarded* See how easy that was?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 yo momma :p
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JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 Ah, so you think these women are crybabies because there are Govt Laws that deny them access to food. Would they be crybabies if there were Govt laws that denied them from owning property? Were the Founders crybabies because there were Govt Laws that denied them free speech, due process etc.?
I think YOU need to "grow up", learn to read, learn not to mock other opinions before knowing the facts yourself & stop spreading misinformation.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid So at 1:00 when they say "When people aren't free to choose the food they eat, we're not free." is a half truth. We are free to drink raw milk, there is no law against it, and this statement makes it seem like you can't buy or drink raw milk at all. And at 4:34 when she starts talking about the government lied about milk, where is the evidence? Did all the third party non-government organizations and other world gov.s also lie? What did they lie about?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
Modern day revolutionary fighters. They may not be fighting the red coats, they may not be picking up rifles, but little demonstrations like these, make a real impact. Keep up the good fight. Liberty and common sense always trumps ignorance. No man or institution has the right to put force on you because you disagree with what they state. If you want to make a transaction with a farmer and buy raw milk, smoke weed in your own house, do it. Leave people alone, respect their liberty, end of story.
xKenseixX 3 months ago
Drinking raw milk at the moment, tastes so much better then the supermarket junk, and feel alot better too.
I think the REAL issue with raw milk is that it cuts out the middle man, so it's 'needs' to be pasturised and all of a sudden a middle man appears. After all, if you have a cow or goats, you can pretty much feed yourself, to the big companys horrors.
Kasrkin2003 3 months ago
FDA! wear were they as the AIDS started breaking out? No wear they were busy making deals to drug makers for all the cancers, heart deseases , ect that the cooked , dirty milk has been producing in people for decades. Since AIDS has no cure, and at the time of break out no treatment the FDA should have done a quarintine of all the infected, but no they just set back and watched and still do as it continues to mass murder . Infected milk is the issue not raw. All milk is infected by pooling.
ObsenityofAtomicTech 3 months ago
From a 2008 Science Daily article: "When we looked at the bacteria living in raw milk, we found that many of them had not been identified before," said Dr Malka Halpern from the University of Haifa, Israel. "We have now identified and described one of these bacteria, Chryseobacterium oranimense, which can grow at cold temperatures and secretes enzymes that have the potential to spoil milk." So yeah, let's just ship it for days cross country when it can spoil while refrigerated.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 You blew it and are still blowing it on this issue because 1. You failed to do your research before shooting off your mouth that there are no federal laws about raw milk 2. you don't know the difference between interstate & intrastate 3. you didn't & still don't understand the point of this demonstration, 4. you keep making FALSE claims about FEDERAL laws and regs. That's why you have ABSOLUTELY NO Credibility on this issue.
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JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid Also, who profits from this law? It's not the consumers, it's not the FDA (they have to spend money to enforce the law), Is it big dairies? Couldn't be, that's an in demand product. Who else could profit from this law except for raw milk ONLY dairies, and no one is forcing them to commit to raw milk ONLY. they are free to choose what milk products they produce. Who is profiting off this federal regulation 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 found under Communicable diseases?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid You've spent more time trying to discredit me than provide anything useful. Did I lie about intRAstate sale not having a federal reg. against it? Was I lying when I said pasteurized milk has a longer shelf life? Was I spreading misinformation when I said 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 was a fed reg under "COMMUNICABLE DISEASES"? Was I presenting a false statement when I said "I was wrong about there being no law on interstate transport"? Where's my lack of credibility?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 "Did I lie about intRAstate sale not having a federal reg. against it?" ha ha ha. So you admit you misused the word as a way to discredit the protesters who are protesting an INTERSTATE law. ha ha ha. You don't need me to discredit you----you do fine job of it yourself.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid you laugh because it was all you could do. You didn't answer any of those questions either because in this case you know all those statements were TRUE! and rather than admit it you laugh at me trying to make me seem like the fool, when you completely avoided the topic. That, my moronic friend, discredits you, not me, and makes you the fool. Again were any of those statements I made false? Were they? WERE THEY? Didn't think so.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 hahaha you still don't realize how stupid you look. You mock these protesters & try to justify your mockery by saying there is no intrastate laws against raw milk transport, eventhough they're protesting intERstate transport laws.hahaha.you got it all wrong, and you're still doing damage control when you can't.hahaha.Keep digging your hole, er, posting your defense. hahaha.
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JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid You blew it and are still blowing it because 1) You took way too long to point out I used the wrong term of intRAstate vs intERstate. 2) You couldn't just accept it when I admitted to being wrong but keep throwing it back in my face 3) You don't understand that the point of this demonstration was founded under false pretenses 4) You keep making false claims about me making false claims 5) You're a moron 6) Refer to #5 7) Refer to #'s 5 & 6
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 hahaha. So it's my fault I didn't correct your earlier? the demonstration is only under "false pretenses" if they were protesting inTRAstate laws. But they weren't: they were protesting inTERstate laws. So you blew it again. hahaha. You're only calling me a moron because I outed you. hahaha. Keep digging yourself a bigger hole. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid It's under flase pretense because they are are spreading misinformation about the reason behind INTERSTATE transport, claiming the FDA lies about Raw Milk health and safety without providing any evidence to support such claims. And you laugh at me when I asked "Did I lie about intRAstate sale not having a federal reg. against it?" because you know it wasn't a lie, and therefore no discredit to myself. You're arguments against me are invalid.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
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JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
GO Freedom Riders!!!!!!!
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theresistance45 3 months ago
State by state issue. Not a federal one. 30 states allow intrastate transport of raw milk. with that said, I hope the intelligent people out there recognize how this whole video is based upon false pretenses. People have a right to ignore that fact and I'll let them. You may now collectively rejoice as I resign from commenting any more on this issue. I just hope you all can wise up.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
I miss raw milk
TheFuanon 3 months ago
This is what you really should be protesting: Codex Alimentarius (the--tea--party--truther--dot--com)
TheOccupywallstreet 3 months ago
DON'T LISTEN TO ME OR THESE PEOPLE, USE YOUR BRAIN AND LISTEN TO YOURSELF. DO EXPERIMENTS, DO RESEARCH, GATHER INFORMATION FROM BOTH SIDES OF AN ISSUE. TRACE THE SOURCES OF THE INFORMATION. Right now it's a few moms VS science and history. CHOOSE YOUR SIDE WISELY.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 I agree no one should listen to you: you shot your mouth off that there are no laws about interstate raw milk transport & sales, when they do exist.If people listened to you, they'd falsely believe those regs don't exist. Face it, on this topic you have no credibility.
PS, I don't drink milk because I'm lactose intolerant. So raw v pasteurized v. ultrapasteurized has no direct effect on me. But I won't make false statements and mock others.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid where is your credibility? I can admit to my mistakes, I think that makes me pretty damn credible. I reference sources from both sides of the issue and provided links for you to see for yourself. You have nothing useful to say, you make claims and don't cite your sources, you belittle me for a mistake I fessed up to, and you choose to ignore any facts I present, and you have the audacity to say I'm not credible? Sit on that for a while.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid Go to fda DOT gov /Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/MilkSafety/ucm277854 DOT htm and find this paragraph "However, in light of concerns that have been raised about potential FDA actions, we want to remind the public that FDA does not regulate the intrastate sale or distribution of raw milk. Whether to permit the sale and distribution of raw milk within a state is for the state to decide."
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37FYI: IntERstate is different from IntRAstate. IntERstate means from state to state. IntRAstate means within a single state.The people in this video are protesting intERstate transport of raw milk which is illegal according to 21 C.F.R. §1240.61.
Again, you have no credibility on this issue. And I hope no one listens to the misinformation you've tried to spread here.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid So I got the terminology wrong, and you're arguing semantics. Beating a dead horse into the ground, repeatedly. I don't know how many times I've admitted to being wrong, which lends to my credibility, rather than takes away from it. It only proves I'm honest. Again I cite multiple sources, and you keep referring to only one. regardless, it's a stupid law to protest. there are much more deserving issues that need our attention.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 This is more than "semantics". There's a REAL difference between intERstate & inTRAstate. I keep quoting 21 C.F.R. §1240.61. because it's a Federal reg that regulates the intERstate transport, sale and distribution of raw milk.
These protesters state at 0:23 the intent of their protest---to transport raw milk from Pennsylvania to Maryland (hint: that's intERstate transport) which is a direct violation of FEDERAL Law.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid And why'd it take you so long to point out I kept saying intRAstate instead of intERstate? That would've cleared up so much confusion.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid It's also not just what they are protesting, but why: They claim it's the government restricting people's access to healthy food, and that is false. If it were true, then all raw milk and transport of would be illegal. Not only that but your source of 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 has the title of CONTROL OF COMMUNICABLE DISEASES. It's easy to claim that I'm spreading misinformation without providing any evidence.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 Via 21 C.F.R. §1240.61. the Feds ARE restricting access to food. A lawsuit was brought to the Federal court in Iowa. case5:10cv04018MWB document 1-11is the Fed's response to the suit. In part it states :"there is no absolute right to consume or feed to children any food".
So it IS a fact you ARE spreading misinformation about Federal regs regarding raw milk transport, sales and distribution and about Fed regs limiting food choices.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid what's your evidence to prove the claims of the FDA to be false? why not go to keep our food safe DOT org what's your evidence to prove these women are right in their claims about raw milk and it's benefits?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 In case you never noticed. My posts have been limited to the LEGAL issues surrounding raw milk. That's because I'm for letting the INDIVIDUAL make decisions about what foods he/she wants to eat. I'm not a Statist who wants the govt to decide what I'm having for breakfast, lunch and dinner due to "food safety" or due to "helping the economy".
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
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@whatthedormousesaid To quote you, "I agree no one should listen to you: you shot your mouth off that there are no laws about interstate raw milk transport & sales, when they do exist.If people listened to you, they'd falsely believe those regs don't exist." how would they falsely believe the regs don't exist when I on numerous occasions recognized the existence of the reg and even referenced it? "But I won't make false statements and mock others." You are guilty of both.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
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JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
"farm to consumer . org", provides additional info on which STATE allows raw milk sale. So RAW MILK SALE IS A STATE BY STATE legal issue, NOT A FEDERAL ISSUE. The only federal law regulates INTRASTATE TRANSPORT with the intention to "sell, otherwise distribute, or hold for sale or other distribution" But doesn't regulate PERSONAL CONSUMPTION. (delete spaces in web address)
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 i'm happy that you finally read the reg. Now you can quote it properly(which you did not before) and can stop spreading misinformation about the Federal regulation of raw milk. And after viewing this video again, you'll understand concerns of these protesters, rather than blowing them off as you did.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
To quote wikipedia: "In 2009, 29 U.S. states allowed sales of raw milk in some form.[7] In other parts of the world, raw milk can often be bought directly from the farmer. Arizona, California and Washington allow raw milk sales in retail stores with appropriate warning labeling. As of May 2010, Massachusetts only allows direct sales from farm to consumer, resulting in "buying clubs" where consumers pool transportation resources to obtain raw milk more conveniently.[11]"
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
quote 2: "In essence you're also saying that when a mother boils an empty baby bottle to sterilize it, is morally wrong, since the baby didn't and couldn't have a say. Think real long and hard over everything I said in all previous comments and try to prove anything I said invalid. As you've seen I'M WILLING TO ADMIT TO BEING WRONG (IN THE CASE OF THERE BEING NO LAW)..."
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid you obviously haven't read anything I've posted. For starters, I've agreed that unpasteurized milk spoils, but IT HAS A LONGER SHELF LIFE making it capable of LONG DISTANCE TRAVEL OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT SPOILING. I've also admitted to being wrong about there being no law, in 2 REPLIES TO YOU SPECIFICALLY. Here's quote 1: "@whatthedormousesaid Great find. I was looking for something exactly like this, and although it PROVES ME WRONG..."
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
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JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
Very good!
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TheGeekSheek 3 months ago
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TheGeekSheek 3 months ago
It's come to my attention that there are federal regulations put in place for the treatment of drinking water. The government is trying to limit people's access to raw water. Let us protest this unjust act! People should have a right to consume raw water and ingest beaver fever. Let's all contract cholera as an act of protest.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
I agree 100% that raw milk should be legal and should be left to the people's decision on what they wish to drink because I believe in a free society we should be able to eat, smoke, and inject whatever we want into OUR bodies and we are smart and responsible enough to make our own decisions on what we decide to buy.
BUT
I think you people should be aware that raw milk may taste better but is MUCH more dangerous and not healthier in any way
this video sums it up pretty well: watch?v=6VbwYqV4Eog
pepicola6 3 months ago
thats the spirit. right on!!!!
danielzermeno81 3 months ago
@ illar so true... Screw these ppl
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bjarnet3 3 months ago
@kizilbasi Actually, it would be doing it for all Americans. Only simpletons believe that we need the FDA, the Department of Education etc. In fact, in the matter of the Department of Education, it is a fact that since its inception, the quality of education received by American children in the state system has declined dramatically. Never mind though, put your fingers in your ears chant, "LA LA LA LA I CAN HERE U" over and over, because that is the best the numbskull class can do as a rebuttal
irdial 3 months ago
I'd like to milk raw milk from her.
swedishvein 3 months ago
Peak behind the curtain people! Ask yourselves this " Why are there cops present?" You ever hear of the raw milk police, cuz i haven't. Someone must've called them, and the only ones who knew about this protest taking place at that specific time and place were the protesters. The protesters probably called the cops to garner support from viewers like you, by introducing the "villain". No arrests were made in the video, because no law was broken.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@charlesrosaly what exactly is your point? My point is that these ladies are spreading misinformation and propaganda in a publicity stunt for a message with no meaning. Spreading lies detracts from a person's ability to make an informed decision. There is nothing suggesting that I drink milk, raw or not, in my previous comments, and even if I did it's a moot point. My message to everyone is don't give these drama queens any more attention because they don't deserve it.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
To further my point even further, the FDA doesn't regulate or even enforce a law regarding the intrastate transport of raw milk. There is no federal law, only state laws, and only 20 participating states. So what exactly are these ladies protesting? Since I can't post a url, just go to the FDA website and search "raw milk transport". EPIC FAIL!
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 I don't drink milk. But if you want to drink milk. Then go ahead and may no one ever point at a gun at you for drinking raw milk. No one points a gun at me for any reason. And that is final.
charlesrosaly 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 There IS a Federal regulation regarding this : 21 C.F.R. §1240.61 It states that only pasteurized dairy products for human consumption can be transported across state lines. Raw milk, by definition, is not pasteurized.
FYI: Federal regulations are laws.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid Great find. I was looking for something exactly like this, and although it proves me wrong about there being no law, it proves me right about it being founded under principals regarding the spread of communicable diseases. I won't say raw milk is unhealthy, but the reality is that it doesn't keep well and provides and excellent breeding ground for micro-organisms. To deny that fact is being ignorant, and insult to Louis Pasteur.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 Pasteurized milk also "doesn't keep well and provides an excellent breeding ground for microorganisms." If it did, it wouldn't spoil.
Bottom line is how much you want the govt involved in your life. If you want the govt to dictate to you what you can & can't eat, demand more legislation. If you don't, then demand a change in the laws.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid Yeah in INTRASTATE COMMERCe, but other than that YOU CAN LEGALLY BUY RAW MILK FROM DAIRIES OR STORES in your home state if STATE LAWS allow, and you can even buy raw milk from another state and TRANSPORT IT ACROSS STATE LINES AND CONSUME IT if it is for PERSONAL CONSUMPTION. IT"S NOT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING ME WHAT OR WHAT NOT TO EAT, it's the government .RESTRICTING THE SPREAD OF COMMUNICABLE DISEASES. your own link PROVES THAT POINT.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 you wrote there is no Federal law that ban the sale of raw milk--meaning no Federal law exists that prohibits the sale of milk. But one DOES exist. Re-read the reg: it prohibits the sale/transpo/distribution of unpasteurized milk for HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Please read it before you quote from it.
If the govt forbids the sale/purchase of a food, it essentially prohibits you from eating that food (unless you grow it yourself). Read up on why stevia took so long to be legalized in the US.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
These ladies are completely misguided. They're fighting for our right to diarrhea. The government isn't trying to restrict people's access to healthy food, they're trying to limit people's exposure to food born disease. The same law that prevents raw milk from being transported is comparable to why farmers can't sell spinach if there is even the risk it may have been contaminated with salmonella or E Coli. There is no federal law preventing anyone from buying or selling raw milk. FAIL!
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 Federal reg 21 CFR § 1240.61 also bans the selling of raw milk in interstate commerce.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
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@whatthedormousesaid the government has regulations over tap water, what pesticides can be used, that food be properly washed and processed on sanitary equipment. Are all those laws worth fighting against? Quit being a moron and focusing on milk, because milk is not the issue. The point to the law is to prevent the spread of disease, and to say otherwise is false, being paranoid of "big brother" and makes you seem like a misinformed idiot.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid try googling Louis Pasteur and see how much of an insult you are to him, also google pasteurization and learn something. True unpasteurized milk can spoil, but it has a much longer shelf life, which means it won't spoil during intrastate travel. Pasteurization is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN, meaning that experiments are repeatable and YOU CAN EXPERIMENT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF as I did in biology. Who'd you rather believe, someone making a claim based on opinion, or YOUR OWN SELF?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 Not disputing pasteurization kills some bacteria. But pasteurized milk STILL spoils. If you don't believe me, leave a container of milk out of the frig for a few days and see what happens (you can do that experiment in the privacy of your own home and you don't need Louis Pasteur to do it for you.)
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
In essence you're also saying that when a mother boils an empty baby bottle to sterilize it, is morally wrong, since the baby didn't and couldn't have a say. Think real long and hard over everything I said in all previous comments and try to prove anything I said invalid. As you've seen I'm willing to admit to being wrong (in the case of there being no law), obviously I'm not stubborn, and indeed open minded to both sides. My issue has never been about MILK, but rather DISEASE.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
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@JoeDiehl37 I never mentioned morality. I wrote "If you want the govt to dictate to you what you can & can't eat, demand more legislation. If you don't, then demand a change in the laws. "
As for your invalid points in your previous posts, I've addressed that. Before you say there are no laws about something: do some research & before you comment on them, read them thoroughly, so you don't look more ignorant.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid I'VE ADMITTED TWICE TO BEING WRONG about the existence of 21 C.F.R. §1240.61, which SURPRISE, SURPRISE, is found under COMMUNICABLE DISEASES. If you want RAW MILK, GO OUT AND BUY IT, LEGALLY, again that's LEGALLY. If you don't know where to find it, then here: "w w w. realmilk. com/where1. html" again you have provided no evidence to prove my points invalid, but beat a dead horse. Again, just to clarify: THE ISSUE IS NOT MILK, IT"S DISEASE.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@JoeDiehl37 the "issue" is the freedom for individuals to make their OWN decisions.
anyone who reads my pointing out that pasteurization doesn't not prevent spoilage as a denial of the spread of disease is ignorant.
As for accountability if one becomes ill from tattoos, raw milk, medications, etc. Under the doctrine of assumption of risk, it is the INDIVIDUAL who is accountable for his/her personal decisions as long as they are aware of the risks/benefits of their decisions.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE, you can choose to break the law or not. Quit being a baby and whining about there being consequences for taking an action. IT ISN'T MANDATORY TO PASTEURIZE ALL MILK, just milk for intrastate sale or distribution. No one ever claimed that pasteurized milk doesn't spoil, IT KEEPS LONGER THAN RAW MILK. Considering that INTRASTATE TRAVEL CAN TAKE SEVERAL DAYS, wouldn't you want the product to have a long shelf life? TRY DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid I also believe for individuals to make their OWN decisions. That's why I provide links and tell people to experiment for themselves. I also believe people should HAVE A FREEDOM TO MAKE WELL INFORMED DECISIONS. by spreading misinformation, you and these ladies are TRAMPLING ON THEIR FREEDOM!
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
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@JoeDiehl37 It's really funny how you can write one day "Without those regulations in place you're giving dairies, restaurants, tattoo parlors, food processing facilities, hospitals, drug companies, and even school cafeterias the defense of "It was their choice to do it, they knew the risks." if something goes wrong. No one gets held accountable. ", & the next be all for individual choices & consequences of that choice.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid The government puts regulations in place like that to HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, if something goes wrong. Surgeons have to wash their hands under GOVERNMENT ORDER, or else it's considered malpractice. Restaurants have to clean and process food on sanitary equipment per GOVERNMENT ORDER or else they get shut down. Tattoo parlors need to sanitize needles under GOVERNMENT ORDER. whether federal or state, governments hold people accountable. Can you see a pattern here?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
@whatthedormousesaid Without those regulations in place you're giving dairies, restaurants, tattoo parlors, food processing facilities, hospitals, drug companies, and even school cafeterias the defense of "It was their choice to do it, they knew the risks." if something goes wrong. No one gets held accountable. TO DENY PASTEURIZED MILK PREVENTS THE SPREAD OF DISEASE is ignoring both SCIENCE and HISTORY, and thus makes you an IGNORAMUS, I can admit to being wrong, can you?
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
Occucy your city people... all is posible. :-)
love4ourhumans 3 months ago
There are other laws regarding food these ladies should tackle. Why should the government tell me I need to wash my hands if I work in the food industry, or better yet, why not just process the food in the restroom? Why can't I serve someone food that's fallen on the floor? Why does the government tell me it is illegal to spit in someone's coffee before i serve it to them? Oh, right it's the bacteria and micro organisms. It's not just a matter of the FDA, but the CDC.
JoeDiehl37 3 months ago
"There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo A outstand quote, no Dr. Pauls, but it is one he likes to use.
jankowitts 3 months ago
That's a bit misleading. The problem isn't the diet the cows are fed, it's the bacteria that can infect the milk once the milk has left the cow's udder. It's true that human beings have drinking milk long before pasteurization was invented, but people have also been boiling milk to rid it of disease for nearly as long. Pasteur got the idea for his process from watching 19th-century mothers boil their milk, because milk was so often the source of diseases that killed younger children and infants.
Kazenou 3 months ago 2
@MzProgressive Pasteurization has little to do with the issue of factory farming and animal feeding. It's a complex public health concern. Also the majority of the world population experience lactase deficiencies later on in their lives. As a species, we shouldn't be so dependent on milk.
roaringbee 3 months ago
"nothing can stop an idea who time has come", i was thinking exactly that before the lady said it.
N1KPain 3 months ago
It's disgusting that this day and age if you produce your own milk or not deemed acceptable by the FDA or Federal Government you are breaking a law. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves, destroy the federal reserve, IRS, and FDA. End these unconstitutional wars and convert this country back to the constitution. How you may ask?
VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!
jomigirock 3 months ago
Personally I haven't consumed dairy products in three years for ethical/health reasons yet, I support the actions of these people because they make choices and I(or the state) can't force them to stop putting it in their bodies.
Sambo8000 3 months ago
LOOK THY GOT COP'S OUT FOR THE MOM'S AND KID'S OMG
galegregory97comcast 3 months ago
Soy damn phone
briggsley 3 months ago
Four feds don't like!!! you are right though you're not supposed to drink anything but her mother's milk from when u are born!!! I drank organic rice milk. so is not all that good for you either because most of it is genetically modified
briggsley 3 months ago
Humans are only supposed to drink "mothers milk" and not really any other milk, its honestly against our nature, but hey more power to them for standing up for their rights
HOGGENHAMMER 3 months ago
up yours f.d.a !
dog6615 3 months ago
how the hell can you dislike this video, coz ur basically saying in disliking this video i want the government to decide what i eat, and not have the right to organic non - chemicalised food !, thumbs up if u agree, i wanna see that people understand this.
davidg123321 3 months ago
End the FDA!!
corita2121 3 months ago
Bravo! Even better, in my opinion, is HEMP Milk! Farmers in the USA can freely produce this highly nutritious, easy to grow, no need for pesticides, in most soil types, highly sustainable food, can't they? Surely?
TheHolySpirit 3 months ago
(facepalm) They do know that raw milk can be dangerous these days? Cows are feed corn, various grains, and even on occasion cow meat. It's not some random gov't bullshit, it's food safety!! You think you are losing freedom!!! You pathetic excuses for freedom fighters. Think of the brainwashed North Koreans, or the Chinese!!! You think you have it rough! Stop bothering you anarchist, you have no clue.
Illier1 3 months ago
@Illier1 I recomend you revise your statment, do you know how the peoples you mentioned became like that? Very small and unoticable changes and overtime lost all freedoms they had and nobody could challenge them, if America continues down the road they are now it WILL become WAY worse then China simply due to the fact that most citizens in the country have guns and well...the police will fight themselfs to should this situation rise, every action has a reaction and you sir need to STFU
12myersjonathan 3 months ago
@12myersjonathan If you think that people passing laws against something as simple as milk is going to strip us of our rights and make us a dictatorship, I will have to laugh at you. It's food safety, not some government conspiracy to restrict your rights. If you all want no government control, go to Somalia or Rwanda, they certainly don't have governments that will suppress you. And while your at it send some poor African over so he can taste the freedom you seem to have forgotten.
Illier1 3 months ago
@Illier1 Look, i was making the point that by not caring about what rights we have it will become the norm for them to be slowly encroched into nothingness...you seem to like to take thing to the extreme b saying i dont want any laws or restriction and by calling people who want MILK anarchists...seriously you seem to like pushing statment to their illogical degres...yes my spelling blows sue me.
12myersjonathan 3 months ago
does anyone know whether they ever got arrested or anything? im curious. love this
rreeddppeenn 3 months ago
that milk was GOOD!
thomasaconway 3 months ago in playlist More videos from AdamKokesh
what a bunch of rebels!
rjnrf 3 months ago
@rjnrf What a bunch of rebels indeed.
IRUSIpanzermaster 3 months ago
GOOD SHIT PEOPLE GOOD SHIT
skechmasters 3 months ago
A Dr Paul quote? yah exactly
911witness 3 months ago
This is great ! Look at all the homeland sec police!
sn9696 3 months ago
i don't think that nature can be made illegal by anyone or anything, so any law passed by a government stating thusly should be ignored and passed off as ridiculous by the people.
kittycatcarley 3 months ago
I don't think the quote belongs to RP, but it's very relevant anyway.
DeathShok 3 months ago
love this!
genevievefortruth 3 months ago
Interesting to see the Air Force symbol along with the FDA on the blue sign at 3:00...
KansasGuy82 3 months ago
Am I the only person who is a little tired of all the talk about being peaceful? Can anyone guess what Samuel Adams would have said about being peaceful?
NattligMelodi 3 months ago
really? were all those regulation enforcers absolutely necessary for a group of raw milk drinkers!? waste of the state budget...
I mean...the milk drinkers even said what they were going to do...
eleganz 3 months ago
Patriots! God Bless!
PistoleroJesse 3 months ago
its nice to see the people of the usa are starting to wake up
power to the people
mrmacsam 3 months ago 2
nice work friends
Dracin88 3 months ago
So hardcore
notadirector 3 months ago
no arrests? fantastic
nottinmatterz2day 3 months ago
Fresh squeezed milk!
Aryaba 3 months ago
Ron Paul will ABOLISH the FDA. There is NO AUTHORIZATION for the FDA in the Constitution, there is no MONEY for it and it should be ENDED forthwith.
irdial 3 months ago 9
Food is freedom!
PioKolby 3 months ago
wow america is fucked.
TheTopsyKrettz 3 months ago 2
The U.S, like many other places is a fascist state. these people know this and are doing great work to reclaim their freedom. I am so sick of the sight of cops whenever peaceful people protest, they need to just get out of the way and do something useful.
CoreOfTheSpiral 3 months ago
There are no fun laws to break in Texas. Well, not as much as up north....NSo jealous
Girls4RonPaul 3 months ago
@Girls4RonPaul kids are so cute!
Girls4RonPaul 3 months ago
Who the fuck gave this video three thumbs down?
TubingWithMyGnomies 3 months ago
@JohnBraitree true that
AlaskanFrontier1 3 months ago
Our Constitutioln is more and more being repudiated. This story is just another proof.
JohnBraintree 3 months ago
This was really well put together, good job Adam
-Eric
gennairic 3 months ago
I ve been drinking raw milk for weeks now,,it is sold in England without any problems! Stand in your truth guys!!!!
GalacticWoman 3 months ago
Long term use of "low fat" or "skimmed" milks can cause cataracts and bone loss. If you choose to drink milk or eat cheese, use "whole" milk products.
MzProgressive 3 months ago
they seem to have more police support, than they do legal trouble..
waterkeeper03 3 months ago
Milk in general is bad for you. Why drink it?
landmark425 3 months ago
@landmark425 It's the principle of it. If you don't want to drink milk because you believe it's bad for you, the govt should not force you to drink it. If you do want to drink milk because you believe it's good for you, the govt should not prevent you from drinking it. Bottom line is YOU should be able to make decisions on the foods you want to eat/drink, not the govt.
whatthedormousesaid 3 months ago 3
@whatthedormousesaid I agree 100% Ron Paul 2012
landmark425 3 months ago
@landmark425 Yeah, it's just the principle of it. But I do agree with you, milk is bad and so is all animal protein. People really should watch the documentary "Forks over Knives" on netflix, or read the book "The China Studies". From an evolutionary standpoint it just makes sense. Humans were never meant to eat large portions of animal protein.
skypilot805 3 months ago
@landmark425 Fallacy! Dairy products of all kinds have sustained the human race for millenia. Up until about 75 years ago, most of it was consumed raw. The problem with "modern" milk is that the cows are fed an unnatural diet. Ruminants were never meant to eat grain. Raw milk proponents recommend consumption from of products from GRASS FED COWS ONLY. This is how it was used traditionally, and with little danger.
Raw milk is creamy and delicious, and rife with "friendly" probiotics.
MzProgressive 3 months ago 18
@MzProgressive Watch "Forks over Knives".
landmark425 3 months ago
@MzProgressive It also has the DNA of the immunity of that cow, and it's whole lineage!! You might drink from a cow who is immune to cancer! But sadly, we have yet to find the DNA that makes you immune from stupity!
AngriestAmerican 3 months ago
@landmark425 There are also people who say the same thing for just about every food there is. Some people think eggs are healthy. Others think just the yolks are unhealthy. Some people think certain kinds of lettuce have no nutrition. Others are salad freaks. There are conflicting medical and scientific studies all across the spectrum. The real truth is that everybody is different, different immune systems, different tolerances and probably have different dietary needs.
TubingWithMyGnomies 3 months ago
terrorists :P ur going on the red list D:
UNEASYMARKER 3 months ago