@lvlarzyciel you are the kind of fucking idiot who belives that a TKO meant that chuvalo was knocked out and was off his feet? Did you even see that fight? Chuvalo was never knocked out or knocked down. Even ali said 'he was the toughest guy I ever fought'. You know fuck all about boxing and your attitude would get you knocked the fuck out in the ring. In fact Ali was tko by Larry Holmes. The difference being that Chuvalo was never knocked down while ali was and you are arguing with facts idiot.
@lvlarzyciel look up George Chuvalo for a start dumbass. I believe he fought ali, frazier and Foreman and was never knocked out or knocked down and ali was knocked down a few times. I never said ali didnt have a chin I said he didnt have the best chin like your stupid ass said he did eg even henry cooper knocked him down. To quote ali in 1964 Cooper "had hit [him] so hard that his ancestors in Africa felt it"
@lvlarzyciel no he doesnt. There were fighters who were never knocked down in their whole career and you are spouting shit saying 'ali has the greatest chin in history'. such an idiot.
Ali was the greatest ali was shit . Cooper floored ali ali the greatest couldnt beat cooper without making him bleed .Ali was so great fraizer dropped him and beat him(even in the thriller in manilla ali couldnt floor fraizer whos both eyes were closeing) then ken norton broke his jaw and then larry holms beat him(wow ali is so great) then leon(the biggist joke in boxing)spinks beat him in his 8th pro fight then trevor(i got knocked the fuck out off tyson in 2 rounds) beat ali
muppet? well Kermit the frog is a pretty funny guy...it's not easy being green you know..but as for 'Enry Cooper if that shit is well spoken English it's a good thing the Americans threw your asses out of this land 200 years ago...at least we got a shot at speaking an understandable version of it now
"...but cooper still got robed whether u like it or not..." robbed of what?...nothing but he got robbed of a bunch of blood when Ali hit him with a couple of devestating rights
its laughable how you lot debate about how henry was cheated, listen dumbos what was the outcome of the rematch? yes the bum got murdered, the bum has never won the h/w crown, he declined a crack for the h/w crown held by sonny liston, this bum henry actually bottled it, he was knocked spark out by patterson, the bum still gets knighted for his troubles, that in my opinion is a disgrace. lewis and bruno deserve to be knighted and not that cowardly bum and cripple
"the bum got murdered" - if Ali didnt get knocked down at the end of the round and his corner didnt take 5 mins to let him recover, Cooper would have KOd one of the greatest fighters in history. Not once was Cooper down in that fight and was still comming forward when the fight was stopped beacuse of cuts.
all the glove guy did was run to the dressing room, check to see if there were any new gloves around, and then came back and said there were none. the rip wasn't that bad so the gloves weren't changed. it was just quick thinking on Angelo's part... it's a trainer's job to look out for his guy no matter what. i don't blame him for doing what he had to do to get his guy a much needed extra few seconds to recover and i wouldn't think less of Cooper's trainer had he done the same.
What a load of ? You call cheating the right way to win. Ali did more than his fair share of pushing the rules with his hanging on ,thumbing in the eye ,loose ring ropes and cutting of the glove. Acheat is a cheat
There's no doubt in my mind Henry would have forced the stoppage. He was a great finisher, and Clay was out on his feet. People talk about Henry being a small guy, he was around 6' 2" and 175-180, with a left hook that'd drop a rhino.
Henry Cooper was just really unlucky the bell went after that knock down, if he had done it sooner he would have definitely knocked the nignog down. and the glove being ripped and gettin more time to rest, bit of a fuckin stich up. ali looked like he had just taken 20 shots of scotch when he got back up from the knock down. henry was very humble in this vid too, proper sound bloke youd meet down the pub in the east end.
Ali got up after a few seconds, nobody knows if Ali would have recoverd or not. If you look at the punch he got from Frazier, that was harder then Coopers and Ali did recover. Don't forget we are talking about the man who by numerous boxing experts is considerd to have the best chin in boxing history.
He was a product of his time. What with all the racial disharmony and political upheaval going on in the US in that era. He deliberately played up on that persona to get under the skin of white supremacists and deliver a message that blacks could be just as good or even better than whites and were no longer going to take the BS.
He wasn't cheated, Ali was clear enough to run for half a round...cleared his head even without the glove incident...and ould of koed our 'enry. Ali on a learning curve. Time proved he could take a shot and recuperate amazingly fast. Never koed and only tkoed(corner stoppage) by Holmes at the end of his career when Parkinson's was taking it's toll..but believe this, a the young champion was badly stunned. But I will say this...WE LOVE YA HENRY!
not to take away from him, cooper wasn't cheated. the glove was already ripped all angelo did was hide it thinking it might be useful. i'll agree that it was a little bit shady. but it only gave ali an extra 7 seconds to rest. they never changed gloves and you can review the fight as much as you want, it's not gonna change. ali would've recovered regardless and the fight was about to be stopped anyway from that ridiculous cut cooper had. if anything, cooper's curse was the he got cut so easily.
i've watched that fight tons of times... including this afternoon. i actually own the full fight. and i'll agree that it wasn't 7 seconds, but it wasn't anywhere near the 4 or 5 minutes everyone keeps saying. it was about 30 seconds on top of the 1 minute break.
Harry Carpenter says the break was only five seconds longer than usual, but there are still many who believe the fight was halted for several minutes while Ali got a new glove!
a.dundee ripped clays glove,clay was OUT ON HIS FEET,HE GOT OFF HIS ARSE N PROB.thought he was at a KKK meetin wen his started to clear ;which was well over the sixty second break,HENRY COOPER WAS CHEATED,ALI KNOWS IT N RESPECTS 'ENRY MORE THAN MOST..
Ali's trainer knew that he had a rip in his glove before the fight, which is illegal in boxing :) , i'm not saying that it took them ages to change the glove but the delay did cost cooper the fight
he was cheated, it was the salts and the messed up gloves that saved him. Out of Ali's pre exile fights, Cooper may not have been the toughest fight but he was the closest one to winning.
absolute rubbish. there was only 1 min & 7 sec for the break. 7 seconds over the normal min. and also, the knockdown came 3 seconds after what should have been the end of the round. ali was playing with him.this was a warm up for liston. if ali was dancing the way he did against liston cooper would never have laid a glove on him
Ali did win the fight and was outboxing him but Cooper caught him as so happens in HW boxing. Im a big Ali fan but this was a low in his pre exile career.
Angelo Dundee has admitted there wasa "4 or 5 minute break to get another glove--it was cut --I didn't cut it." But neither glove had a cut on it after the round was over. Clay's camp should never have been allowed to get away with this.
its so sad to see ali now, such a great man , who is so loved, and now he can barely even speak, god bless him
catcherinthesky1 8 months ago
God Bless Henry and his family
MrDaleplan 8 months ago
R.I.P. Sir Henry Cooper.
debailey72 9 months ago
@lvlarzyciel you are the kind of fucking idiot who belives that a TKO meant that chuvalo was knocked out and was off his feet? Did you even see that fight? Chuvalo was never knocked out or knocked down. Even ali said 'he was the toughest guy I ever fought'. You know fuck all about boxing and your attitude would get you knocked the fuck out in the ring. In fact Ali was tko by Larry Holmes. The difference being that Chuvalo was never knocked down while ali was and you are arguing with facts idiot.
bantermelon 1 year ago
@lvlarzyciel look up George Chuvalo for a start dumbass. I believe he fought ali, frazier and Foreman and was never knocked out or knocked down and ali was knocked down a few times. I never said ali didnt have a chin I said he didnt have the best chin like your stupid ass said he did eg even henry cooper knocked him down. To quote ali in 1964 Cooper "had hit [him] so hard that his ancestors in Africa felt it"
bantermelon 1 year ago
@lvlarzyciel no he doesnt. There were fighters who were never knocked down in their whole career and you are spouting shit saying 'ali has the greatest chin in history'. such an idiot.
bantermelon 1 year ago
Ali vs george cooper(henrys identical twin who hit harder then henry did) would have been a good fight
nickic272 1 year ago
Ali was the greatest ali was shit . Cooper floored ali ali the greatest couldnt beat cooper without making him bleed .Ali was so great fraizer dropped him and beat him(even in the thriller in manilla ali couldnt floor fraizer whos both eyes were closeing) then ken norton broke his jaw and then larry holms beat him(wow ali is so great) then leon(the biggist joke in boxing)spinks beat him in his 8th pro fight then trevor(i got knocked the fuck out off tyson in 2 rounds) beat ali
nickic272 1 year ago
What fuckin Language is Cooper speakin'? Can't understand a fuckin thing he's sayin
sonwamac 2 years ago
Well spoken English you muppet...
mikedhall 1 year ago
muppet? well Kermit the frog is a pretty funny guy...it's not easy being green you know..but as for 'Enry Cooper if that shit is well spoken English it's a good thing the Americans threw your asses out of this land 200 years ago...at least we got a shot at speaking an understandable version of it now
sonwamac 1 year ago
ali's just runz his mouth and coopers a proper gentlemen ....
ali the greatest but cooper still got robed whether u like it or not...
Brightgreenweed 2 years ago
but u have to admit its pretty funny the way ali talks.
the most ali i liked was the cassius clay 1960-65 :D
t3di2 1 year ago
"...but cooper still got robed whether u like it or not..." robbed of what?...nothing but he got robbed of a bunch of blood when Ali hit him with a couple of devestating rights
sonwamac 1 year ago
its laughable how you lot debate about how henry was cheated, listen dumbos what was the outcome of the rematch? yes the bum got murdered, the bum has never won the h/w crown, he declined a crack for the h/w crown held by sonny liston, this bum henry actually bottled it, he was knocked spark out by patterson, the bum still gets knighted for his troubles, that in my opinion is a disgrace. lewis and bruno deserve to be knighted and not that cowardly bum and cripple
TheMagic7man 2 years ago 4
@TheMagic7man
"the bum got murdered" - if Ali didnt get knocked down at the end of the round and his corner didnt take 5 mins to let him recover, Cooper would have KOd one of the greatest fighters in history. Not once was Cooper down in that fight and was still comming forward when the fight was stopped beacuse of cuts.
learn your boxing and learn some respect.
P4PMike 2 years ago
After The Big Ugly Bear...... 0.40 .. "What after that, the President of the United States??"... yes, he did... how prophetic..
rezuldazzle 2 years ago
all the glove guy did was run to the dressing room, check to see if there were any new gloves around, and then came back and said there were none. the rip wasn't that bad so the gloves weren't changed. it was just quick thinking on Angelo's part... it's a trainer's job to look out for his guy no matter what. i don't blame him for doing what he had to do to get his guy a much needed extra few seconds to recover and i wouldn't think less of Cooper's trainer had he done the same.
mikepw15 2 years ago
What a load of ? You call cheating the right way to win. Ali did more than his fair share of pushing the rules with his hanging on ,thumbing in the eye ,loose ring ropes and cutting of the glove. Acheat is a cheat
escortmk112 2 years ago
There's no doubt in my mind Henry would have forced the stoppage. He was a great finisher, and Clay was out on his feet. People talk about Henry being a small guy, he was around 6' 2" and 175-180, with a left hook that'd drop a rhino.
harvland1 2 years ago
Henry Cooper was just really unlucky the bell went after that knock down, if he had done it sooner he would have definitely knocked the nignog down. and the glove being ripped and gettin more time to rest, bit of a fuckin stich up. ali looked like he had just taken 20 shots of scotch when he got back up from the knock down. henry was very humble in this vid too, proper sound bloke youd meet down the pub in the east end.
Loge91 2 years ago 2
Ali got up after a few seconds, nobody knows if Ali would have recoverd or not. If you look at the punch he got from Frazier, that was harder then Coopers and Ali did recover. Don't forget we are talking about the man who by numerous boxing experts is considerd to have the best chin in boxing history.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
ooohh racist and soo jealous
TheMagic7man 2 years ago 2
Why racist and jealous????
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
Cocky bastard......not the material of a good sportsman if you ask me. Henry Cooper has sportsman qaulities but Ali's just a absolute arse!
Haza119 2 years ago
He was a product of his time. What with all the racial disharmony and political upheaval going on in the US in that era. He deliberately played up on that persona to get under the skin of white supremacists and deliver a message that blacks could be just as good or even better than whites and were no longer going to take the BS.
TKRvids 2 years ago
...well soon to be champion. and the very best of all heavies living or dead.
therealsaltspring 3 years ago
He wasn't cheated, Ali was clear enough to run for half a round...cleared his head even without the glove incident...and ould of koed our 'enry. Ali on a learning curve. Time proved he could take a shot and recuperate amazingly fast. Never koed and only tkoed(corner stoppage) by Holmes at the end of his career when Parkinson's was taking it's toll..but believe this, a the young champion was badly stunned. But I will say this...WE LOVE YA HENRY!
therealsaltspring 3 years ago 10
cooper was cheated by this bum,damm glove ripper
cripplewoox 3 years ago
not to take away from him, cooper wasn't cheated. the glove was already ripped all angelo did was hide it thinking it might be useful. i'll agree that it was a little bit shady. but it only gave ali an extra 7 seconds to rest. they never changed gloves and you can review the fight as much as you want, it's not gonna change. ali would've recovered regardless and the fight was about to be stopped anyway from that ridiculous cut cooper had. if anything, cooper's curse was the he got cut so easily.
mikepw15 2 years ago
7 seconds?
Go watch it again
fannydoodoo 2 years ago
i've watched that fight tons of times... including this afternoon. i actually own the full fight. and i'll agree that it wasn't 7 seconds, but it wasn't anywhere near the 4 or 5 minutes everyone keeps saying. it was about 30 seconds on top of the 1 minute break.
mikepw15 2 years ago
Harry Carpenter says the break was only five seconds longer than usual, but there are still many who believe the fight was halted for several minutes while Ali got a new glove!
helltopo 2 years ago
don't blame ali for something that he had no control over. angelo dundee took things into his own hands.
mikepw15 2 years ago
Cooper was robbed but, still remembered for THE greatest knockdown in heavyweight history!
imperialpod 3 years ago
It was only a six second delay.
zebrahut 3 years ago 10
a.dundee ripped clays glove,clay was OUT ON HIS FEET,HE GOT OFF HIS ARSE N PROB.thought he was at a KKK meetin wen his started to clear ;which was well over the sixty second break,HENRY COOPER WAS CHEATED,ALI KNOWS IT N RESPECTS 'ENRY MORE THAN MOST..
NAH1HODGE 3 years ago
was this before the 65 fight or the 63 fight?
Cooper was absolutely cheated in 63.
mattbell8808 3 years ago
no he wasent
uganda16yrs 3 years ago
yes he was and you spelt 'wasn't' wrong
jak0la 3 years ago 3
tell me how he was cheated i have proof he wasnT cheated
uganda16yrs 3 years ago
Ali's trainer knew that he had a rip in his glove before the fight, which is illegal in boxing :) , i'm not saying that it took them ages to change the glove but the delay did cost cooper the fight
jak0la 3 years ago
he was cheated, it was the salts and the messed up gloves that saved him. Out of Ali's pre exile fights, Cooper may not have been the toughest fight but he was the closest one to winning.
PantherDB7 3 years ago
absolute rubbish. there was only 1 min & 7 sec for the break. 7 seconds over the normal min. and also, the knockdown came 3 seconds after what should have been the end of the round. ali was playing with him.this was a warm up for liston. if ali was dancing the way he did against liston cooper would never have laid a glove on him
jackjay1 3 years ago 2
Ali did win the fight and was outboxing him but Cooper caught him as so happens in HW boxing. Im a big Ali fan but this was a low in his pre exile career.
PantherDB7 3 years ago
THANK YOU!!! i tottally agree
andzdacutie 3 years ago
Angelo Dundee has admitted there wasa "4 or 5 minute break to get another glove--it was cut --I didn't cut it." But neither glove had a cut on it after the round was over. Clay's camp should never have been allowed to get away with this.
lumpagogo 2 years ago