Naomi Klein - The Shock Doctrine - Part 4 of 6

[gabriel38g]

Everytime someone mentions Nixon, a baby cries. 0:36

[MrsWebfoot]

She is obsessed with Chile, and rightly so. She failed to mention the fact that Allende had only 1/3 of the votes when he was elected as president. He could not get his radical agenda through congress, so he began to rule by executive decree. That is why he was so easily brought down. The Communists' plan to use Chile as a beach head for their advance in South America came to naught. Naomi seems sad about that. Why would that be?

[sulfurousstench]

klein is swell check out michael parenti too for analysis of destruction of yugoslavia, imf world bank etc. and all kinds of issues. most of his videos i've seen only have a couple hundred views...he's a lot more knowledgeable than chomsky and others who get hundreds of thousands. look him up, he says 'um' less too

[Consequence13]

I dont want to be shock "resistant" I want to be proactive. I want to prevent the "disasters" before they are caused by the evil people. prevent them, wipe out the agressors and get back to individule liberty.

[centurion180ad]

Paul Bremmer is a WAR CRIMINAL!

[sulfurousstench]

@centurion180ad yup. that's for sure!

[centurion180ad]

No Naomi, NO!

BANKERS //first// took over America. The mass murdering Debt Syndicate is first & foremost centered in Wall Street and Washington DC/Alexandria VA. Americans are the one’s doing most of the paying, so the mass murdering Debt Syndicate may slaughter & plunder World Wide.

BANKERS ARE THE ENEMY

[SharkN5I50]

Naomi Klein has some interesting points. I'm at the 4th video of 6 and so far all I see happening is an attack on capitalism. To attack the failures of capitalism, your premises must have flaws. Define capitalism before beginning an argument on the failures of capitalism, then, analyse the economic conditions and you will conclude that America is nowhere in the vicinity of capitalism. So why then would you conclude that it is the failure of capitalism that is to blame?? With your credentials...

[icygood101]

@SharkN5I50 She isn't solely attacking capitalism, just free-marke it and globalisation initiatives by states and the effects it has on people. Capitalism fails horrendously, inevitably. The United States and much of the developed ("Western") world was quite free market capitalist following the industrial revolution and, the United States, moreso, for many years to come. Capitalism requires regulation and government restriction to keep from dismantling itself and destroying the lives of the

[icygood101]

@SharkN5I50 people who live under it.

[CentristNews]

As an economist, this woman doesn't seem to have a good grasp on economic and social realities.

[mpq555]

Naomi Klein is hot.

[centurion180ad]

@mpq555 Ms. Klein is articulate & sexy. She’d be a good (hetero) lover. I wish her mane was longer. Too many America girls wear a boy's haircut, so by comparison Naomi's hair is voluptuous She has yet to connect that the 2-party system Democrat Republican, Liberal Conservative, is ALL LIES!

[jkirk1626]

Unbelievable delusion. Communism is responsible for more murders than Nazi socialism. Friedman's positions on Chile are readily available, and wholly inconsistent with Klein's version. The most glaring mendaciousness is her statement that the Chinese students demanded Communist reforms, when the students' demands are readily documented available. Communism, which forbids choice, is a glaring failure that the Left can't accept.

[bigboss686]

cato(.)org/pubs/bp/bp102.pdf

Naomi Klein is nothing but a liar and a fraud and there's the evidence, honestly, she is but a fraud a fake and a political hack trying to get away with revisionist history"

[rickbar123]

Hey asshole, do you have a clue????

Pull the radio out of your ass with Beck and Rush on 24/7 and read a book.

Lets see you evidence!!!! Or shut the fuck up. Nothing worse than a bunch of smack repeater stations talking shit on YT.

Fraud, Fake, Political Hack???

These are terms that go with - Beck, Rush, Hagerty.

Now go buy some seeds or gold or whatever else the dirt bags on the radio are selling this month.

[bigboss686]

@rickbar123 actually the only thing worse is someone who makes pointless ad hominid arguments, you know people like you.

I've provided play of evidence, it's all over the place in my posts, all you've done is tossed around names of people that have nothing to do with the argument.

Perhaps someone should have told you that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, so Junior. When you get a clue come back with something meaningful.

[rickbar123]

I am not about to start looking for your past post. You need to check your english- "I've provided play" ????

What the hell are you talking about "glass houses" ?????

Lets see your evidence ????

You called her a fake. Now MAN UP and make a point or shut your hole. I have her book right here, pick a page and argue something.

I got 5 bucks says you have not read a book in 20 years.

[bigboss686]

Meh, I got distracted by something that happened in my kitchen, although I see you have seized on the opportunity to play grammar Nazi.

As far as evidence is concerned, I have provided plenty, as far as her books are concerned, Which do you mean?

I've only read shock doctrine. However Johan Norberg completely destroys that book.

youtube(.)com/watch?v=tqLAYg6p­DGg

Good thing I read it at the library, I have enough toilet paper at home.

BTW if you have nothing but ad hominids do piss off

[rickbar123]

What do you think she not telling the truth about????

If you think Norberg has something to say then you are full of shit. You have read nothing. All you did was catch that Asshole on YT. Tell us Big Mouth- When is NK not telling the truth????

Friedman?

Thacher???

Argentina???

Pinochet ????

Bremer???

Tell us what you know, it should take you about a sec.

[bigboss686]

@rickbar123 @rickbar123 Well, I guess that answers that, so sad to see that you are nothing but a strawman/ad hominid machine.

Fact of the matter is that Kleinman lied about all of the above and engaged in half truth after half-truth, if you need a more detailed explanation Just run a search for Nordberg and  Klein And read up

Or get someone to read it to you, since it's probably above your level, as I'm sure most things are.

[rickbar123]

You talk alot, yet you say little.

You have never read NK or Nordberg.

You are nothing put a repeater station for right wing radio. A dime a doz. on YT.

Fuck off.

[bigboss686]

*sigh* still with the ad hominem an strawmen i see.

Look, it's not my fault you're too damn lazy to use a search engine and expect me to basically repeat a litany of articles and deconstructions that are easy for even the simplest of society such as yourself to find.

Also to the best of my knowledge Nordberg has never been on any of those shows, although I don't listen often so I'm not positive.

As far as talking a lot, at least I say something, you don't even qualify as white noise

[rickbar123]

Ya right, whatever, from Phila, Pa. -see ya

[bigboss686]

@rickbar123 you really are a disgusting individual, probably explains why you're so drawn to Klein an all of her half-truths and outright lies.

One of the most vicious is that the protesters at Tiananmen Square were for more government influence and less free market, a statement that is absurd and unethical to propagate.

A few years back I had a chance to meet and speak with some of the protesters, Klein's misrepresentations on the matter is the same as spitting in those peoples faces

[rickbar123]

Tell us

what do you do for a living?

[bigboss686]

why is that any of your or anyone else's business?

Nevermind, I know why. You're going to try to challenge my claim of meeting protesters from Tiananmen based on the kind of job I do, really a very silly ploy.

don't know if you realize this, but anyone from any walk of life can attend public speaking engagements or lectures from a plethora of individuals on a plethora of topics.

Including that one, apparently, you've just decided to be a petty annoyance since you have no intellectual ground

[rickbar123]

I would like to know what the Free Market is going to do for you??

I know people from Cuba and Veit-Nam.

Some are glad the country went red others are not. I dont give a shit you know protesters from China that do not see it NKs way. It means nothing.

[bigboss686]

What the free market will do for me? Ever heard of a little thing called the Industrial Revolution?

LOL good for you, doesn't change the fact that Klein lied about why people were protesting in Tiananmen Square,every credible news organization in the world has stated the opposite of her assertions, only the lunatic fringe minority give her credit, check the reporting if you like. For every 1 statement or story from her, there are 100 stories and first-hand accounts proving she's full of it

[rickbar123]

The "Industrial Revolution" !!!!!

You must live in China!!!

You never read her book.

[mouvement715]

It seems to me that friedmans theorys(while i dont know much about them and plan to research them more when i have time)

are a complex justification of a biased ideology that fails to account for the human element of irrationality which is not based on mathematical equations. correct me if im wrong.

[St37One]

Freidmans theories fail to account for the irrational Naomi Kleins who prefer to reject reality and go with intuition.

But nobody is perfect.

[mouvement715]

actually id say most people reject reality in some shape or form, its called rationalization. i dont particularly agree with everything she said in her book, i think the free market is generally good when its functioning well. However, if it is true that Friedman was a proponent of absolutely no regulation, than he had an extremest point of view, and generally i believe an extremist view is only justifiable

[mouvement715]

if proven correct. It is easy to say private money should stay in private hands because they are more efficient than the large bureaucracy that is our federal government, however, when private enterprise grows to the point of being morphologically similar to the government, with the only check and balance being law riddled with loopholes,

and ambiguities, and the only responsibility being shareholders profit,

[mouvement715]

it becomes easy to see how they may suffer the same inefficiency's. Further more, it becomes easier to leverage workers when there is a great abundance of cheap labor. Monopolies have the leverage not only to control workers, but also over supply and demand which controls the cost of goods and services. i am part of a family where you can see first hand this so called "rejected reality". Business's that are too big to fail seems awfully

[mouvement715]

close to a monopolistic level social issue.

My uncle worked for kodak and got layed off after 25 years.

[mouvement715]

He's payed morgage on a house which the bank is going to repossess, even though they have well payed for the price of the house. A house they have lived in for 25 years. Your tellin me that a 54 year old man that has had two heart attacks is supposed to just bounce back with out any help. That sounds like a sycophantic joke made by somebody thats never been in that situation.

[mouvement715]

Friedman was brilliant, but to accept any ideology as totalitarian and unquestionable, and to slander another with little more argument than to dismiss it as irrational is absurd.

[mouvement715]

Her argument is against idealist or extremist ideology. Mao, Stalin, and so on did use many of the same techniques, could it be the point however, that the opposite end of the spectrum does as well. Perhaps more covertly. Another main point is that the violence of it has been disconnected with the economics. When in fact the economic extremism has been largely unsuccessful and harmful to the poor and middle classes. Both the means and the end are unjust.

[Grrraig]

@mouvement715 Both "Left" and "Right" wing use concepts of Friedmanism. Because he is about using "free market" jargon to re-establish monopolies and downgrade wages and benefits for workers. He is not a capitalist, he is a corporate croniest.

[mouvement715]

did actually read all of what i have said.

[RobertWhitlock]

ah! where'd it go!?

[TijoKJose]

Nixon's socialist wage and price controls only created shortages.

[LostFREEDOM]

wake up America-your rights are being taken away in front of your nose-its like nazi germany all over again-didnt bush say that the constitution is just a piece of paper! And now they are wipeing thier ass with it

[Guncriminal]

The unions and their supporters were highly unpopular following the 78-79 "winter of discontent", which allowed Thatcher a landslide victory. The strikers clearly did not speak for the majority of the population as Klein claims.

[Guncriminal]

"I approve of none of these authoritarian regimes—neither the Communist regimes of Russia and Yugoslavia nor the military juntas of Chile and Brazil. . . . I do not regard visiting any of them as an endorsement. . . . I do not regard giving advice on economic policy as immoral if the conditions seem to me to be such that economic improvement would contribute both to the well-being of the ordinary people and to the chance of movement toward a politically free society." - M Friedman

[tjaryma]

In chile economy was in bad condition roughly for 10 years after the coup even or because of after "reforms" in Milton's vein. The economu was worse than when Alende held sway. The economy began to grow only in mid 80's but the huge income inequalities persisted. Friedman also must have realised that in a free country reforms like these (besically dystopia in the making) could not have been possible. It's possible only in countries like Chile (pinochet) or China, Russia etc

[tjaryma]

Milton must have realized that "reforms" in Chile could not have been possible in a democratic country only in countries like Russia or China it is possible to introduce full dystopia in Friedman's style. This kind of economy (and this is a kind of economy not the only one) that needs a clean, blank slate.

[madzndean]

Wow this woman talks about the miners strikes, my Dad was in that strike 1984 i was a year old about my mum and dad still talk about it, they could hardly feed us, the community pulled together tho people would give my parents trolleys full of food, my dad and his brothers would nick coal from near the pit and sell it on or keep for our own uses ( we had coal fires up until about 96 i think ) my dad was proud to be on strike I still dont fully understand what it was about.

[moviedude111]

What is going on here, this is total commie shit. Her facts are total bullshit, why isnt any one calling her on it. Does anyone wonder why everything is made in China?

[madzndean]

Yes actually I wonder why now you point it out?

[moviedude111]

Pinochet for one, restored Chile into the economical miracle it is today. Number one economy in South America. Commies die, commies cry.

[moviedude111]

Freidmans test then success with Chile, is why China implemented it and now is the number one economy in the world.

[madzndean]

Thanks for that

[richardnixon17]

what facts are total bullshit? If you're gonna run your mouth then you'd better provide some evidence showing that her facts are wrong...

I hardly think she's a commie either.

Why don't you just go back to pickin' cotton and chewin' tobaccy on your pappy's farm there Cletus, and leave the political debate to those of us who actually have thumbs...

[moviedude111]

ok dick cleaner

[marcoantoniocosta]

Well. Chile's GDP is around 10 thousand dollars.

Brazil is around 7 thousand.

[tjaryma]

but after the coup the economy was worse than under Allende for rougly 10 years and the growth began only in mid 80's after a lot of adjustements to Friedman's theory. besides you can't separate economy and the rest 3500 dead, 80 000 imprisoned 200000 fled the country

[marcoantoniocosta]

Yes, the transition from a state-run world-isolated rigged economy to one which trades with the rest of the world does entail hardship. But we live in today, not in the 'roughly 10 years after the coup'.

Actually you can separate them. Unless you are desperately trying to equate economic liberalization with torture and murder, as Klein does. Pinochet was a criminal mass-murderer. So were Mao, Stalin, Fidel, Hitler, Mussolini. Shall we write about 'shock socialism'? :-)

[bassman462]

Well, that isn't a consequence of socialism. It's a consequence of totalitarianism. 'Shock Totalitarianism' would be a much more accurate title for your book. :-)

[Jovian84]

when will we on the left quit wining about how they're kickin our ass and start fighting back some dirty tricks of our own. political fights arent won with righteousness. Forward comrades, not one step back!

[Jovian84]

i dont mind changing the name of the dictator, just so long as I get to kill the old one, and a few of his freinds :)

Yours for the Revolution,

Jovian

[LuckyLukarse1981]

You need to know a little about economics before you can wade in on a debate like this. Does the elite want the 'prols' to learn the tricks that keep getting us fooled by the great card sharks in the sky, I don't think so. So will this ever be more than a few liberals smart enough to learn all this economic crap, only to lead a revolution? Nope, Orwell stated revolutions only exist to change the dictator of the times...

[kulza23]

Naomi says that Nixon used price controls to win an election, and he did with 60%. But does strength in numbers mean it is right?

After all, 100 million smokers can't be all wrong!

[robotron17]

Friedman is NOT a free-market advocate. He is responsible, among other things, for the witholding tax which allows the state to get more revenue than ever before. Why are people like Naomi Klein so ignorant? Surely she must have internet access. No excuse.

[sbor2020]

And you're an expert? Professor Erik Lundberg: "A large part of Friedman's conclusions are based on his belief in the positive, built-in properties of a functioning market economy. Out of this derives his negative view of the ability of governmental authorities to intervene in market mechanisms, through financial and regulatory policies to reach full employment or prevent too large imports. Friedman also proposed a new order for the international currency system based on free exchange rates."

[robotron17]

Yes, I am an expert. Another interesting thing about Friedman is that he was a monetarist (he renounced monetarism in the last year or two of his long life). Monetarism is yet another interventionist policy. I don't know what to tell you. The government wants to intervene so badly that they will constantly blame free echange for the problems they created. There's lots of money and power involved.

[sbor2020]

True, Friedman and supporters advocated monetarism, but only in as much as they had control of the money supply, using it to e.g. devalue currencies to control inflation. Therefore, control banks/money supply and allow "free" competition and market will be provide wealth creation for their criminal pals. How free is that? Hayek said the only freedom to do is the freedom to starve. What gets me is that these crude anarcho-capitalists are associated with Adam Smith's enlightened political economy.

[maryj7]

if only more people were informed

[maryj7]

what makes me most sad is this discourse is not present in our every day conversations and so few people know about the true intentions of the elites in america

[mosfonotoc]

She's awesome. I support the CCPA. Don't feed the trolls.

[frepi]

She is sooo beautifull

[prayfertrey]

Waitaminnit, I thought it was Rumsfeld who said the R party was jealous...

[goodgirl301]

That person with the baby is on my nerves. You'd think that by 30 minutes of their kid crying they'd be considerate and let her speak for Allah's sake.

[GoblinGirl]

What's a kid doing there anyway? Children can't really handle talk about capitalism and Milton Friedman.

[plmkoi222]

who brings a baby to this thing?

[davidmesaaz]

Economic Shock Therapy is the brain child of Jeffery Sachs of Harvard which is hardly the bastion of the far right extremists as she paints them out to be.

With this in mind why did she willingly omit such a common knowledge fact? She is either severely uninformed or accepting information that conforms to her world view and rejecting all others in a word this is propaganda.

[SocialDemocrats]

Friedman preceeded Sachs by decades. Sachs, who didnt earn his Phd until 1980, did not invent this notion or the terminology and had nothing to do with the Shock program of mid 1970s Chile that Naomi describes here.

Sachs was 19 years old in 1973.

[FattKidd]

I think people make a mistake by referring the Friedman, Strauss and their minions as 'neo-conservatives'. They have hijacked the 'conservative' ideology by appealing to conservatives base impulses... religion, strength thru force, 'good' vs 'evil', etc. But, they are actually neo-LIBERALS and are referred to as such by the rest of the world. It's actually the far-left one-world-ers (actually cult of elite OWNERS) who are pushing these disasterous economic, social and foreign policies.

[davidmesaaz]

Economic Shock Therapy is the brain child of Jeffery Sachs of Harvard which is hardly the bastion of the far right extremists as she paints them out to be.

With this in mind why did she willingly omit such a common knowledge fact? She is either severely uninformed or accepting information that conforms to her world view and rejecting all others in a word this is propaganda.

[davidmesaaz]

Propaganda [from modern Latin: 'propaganda', literally "propagating"] is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people. Instead of impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience

[davidmesaaz]

The most effective propaganda is often completely truthful, but some propaganda presents facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience.

[masameus]

In other words, it makes no difference at all what she says because, in your view, she is already wrong before she begins with the facts.

[davidmesaaz]

No she basis her argument not rational facts but and emotional response eg the corpse being shocked.

[BeanGene]

Radical privateization you mean Corporatism. Castro? So lets call Fidel Castro radical publicization or Communism. Results both Maxist, tyrannical, government (force) enduced and lead by the planks of progressive socialism.

[Drogon7]

This is the fruit of radical privateization.

The fruit of this memory is the likes of the Columbian rebel guerillas.

Venzuela.

Castro is still hated because he is an example of successful resistance to empire.

Refusal of heating oil for impoverished communities in the north-eastern United States from Hugo Chavez is another cruel domestic manifestation of the Free Market elites' fast and loose use of the poor for the doling of petty spankings to those who have successfully resisted.

[Drogon7]

This was a time when truck-loads of bread would bypass the ninety-nine percent and travel past the starving, through their neighbourhoods, and on up to the mansions on the hills overlooking the poor.

The only wy to get bread for the community was to stick-pu, at gunpoint the trucks as they passed through.

[Drogon7]

Chile's shock treatment is not abstract.The third shock drove my best friend's father into schizophrenia.He was housed in a concentration camp and tortured into insanity.He lives, medicated, in Vancouver B.C. after escaping to Canada in the 'eighties.

[Drogon7]

Chile's shock treatment is not abstract.The third shock drove my best friend's father into schizophrenia.He was housed in a concentration camp and tortured into insanity.He lives, medicated, in Vancouver B.C. after escaping to Canada in the 'eighties.

[hesh2]

Y didn't they live that little bastard home!!!!

[brendanmcooney]

Another great speech by Naomi Klien. This woman is a brilliant journalist and speaker and she provides a really solid analysis of how neoliberals have consolidated economic and political power in the last thirty years through violence and totalitarianism. Yet, despite the brutality of the subject matter she's always a humorous and delightful speaker.

[BeanGene]

What double speak! The Canadian Centre of Policy Alternatives does George Orwell proud. So by "free market" Naomi really means a global monopoly market of freely traded human resources by way of rejecting liberty. Slavery is Freedom; Peace is War; Hate is Love. You know what they call people like Ms. Klein.. Useful IDIOTS - I concur.

[KarlFeuerbach]

Would the "they" you speak be the Ministry Of Truth.

[sbor2020]

Neither the CCPA nor Ms Klein coined the term "free market" - we all know it's a term used by neo-libs to enoble a global system of robbing the little the poor have left to make the rich richer legitimated by govts of rich nations. Hayek said "there's only one freedom and that's the freedom to starve"

[EasyEs]

They did win the battle of results Naomi. I have never heard this woman speak once about the cause of hyper inflation. Buying people off with money that doesn't exist in any real sense might be democratic but it is a dead end in every sense.

[Romperjet]

we're swiftly moving toward a global central government ANYway. and the capitalists/corporatists aren't doing the best job of playing nice with the other children...

[jphwacheski]

If they can't win in a battle of ideas, they resort to terror, deathsquads, war, and brutality,. PNAC said they would,. and then they did 9/11. Wake up AMERICA! soon you will have private secruity at your door,. demanding you take a 'vacination'! Think it will be what they tell you?? If you don't learn from recent history you are bound to suffer it yourself! A boot stomping on a human face forever? will YOU Let Orwell's future come to pass? Turn OFF you TV!

[martydrooo]

@jphwacheski Yes, Milton Friedman never won the battle of ideas. The only governments in history that use terror and deathsquads are/were socialists/communists.

[jphwacheski]

@martydrooo in what dream world do you live? Capitalist have always used terror, war, and oppression,. see; School of the Americas,. (soaw dot org)

and many many more. truth is not opinion, facts remain, even when you close your eyes and plug your ears.

[martydrooo]

@jphwacheski The entrepreneur (the clever/productive caste of society) has always been in the crosshairs of tyrannical governments. This is because he or she acquires power through ability at every step of the way. A politician can be elected having only the talent to talk well. After elected he can do whatever he wishes with the fruits of others labor. Capitalism has existed since the day cavemen traded milk for meat. Wars only set back commerce and trade, they do not help it. THAT is a fact.

[meamishere]

@martydrooo "Capitalism has existed since the day cavemen traded milk for meat. Wars only set back commerce and trade, they do not help it. THAT is a fact." So... you actually think Blackwater (XE) and KBR and Haliburton are not doing so well right now because of the invasion of Iraq. By wild coincidence you happen to be right. War does interfere with commerce and trade. But Ms. Kline is talking about capitalism as it is practiced by massive multinational corporations. Btw, Ayn Rand much?

[martydrooo]

@meamishere There are always companies that profit from wars. They are the juiced-in crony capitalists. Kings profit from wars, the merchants of the kingdoms suffer. Check out the book "Colossus" by Jack Beatty. Every US war is analyzed and it shows far more money is lost than made. If you don't like multinationals, and god knows none of us do, DONT GIVE THEM YOUR $. Its government that props up the agro-business behemoths and causes people to go hungry. Adam Smith>Naomi Klein. Rand is meh.

[tenayaca]

brief summary of this one:

Nixon turning Freidman loose on Chile as a laboratory of his shock treatment...torture...Latin America. On to Thatcher's policies...1982 at 25% approval rating without any privatization. Argentina put flag in Falkland Islands and she started war, then busted strikes and unions and did privatization spree...exploiting crisis to push through policies clearly rejected by people..