Lifeguard Spinal

[imdaviddalen]

@bostoncannons26 you are very wrong, this is Ellis not red cross. I understand you are proud you got your certification but you will soon realize THIS is the correct and more efficient way to perform

[CaptainMittens831]

Dude look at the guys back bend at 1:13.....

Paralyzed

[tgdemon228]

@CaptainMittens831 Probably not. The vast majority of pool-environment spinal injuries are C-spine, so provided immobilization is maintained around the upper back and neck it shouldn't make a difference. It is best practice, however, to also keep the lower body as flat on the water as possible.

[wcresponder]

what the hell kind of immobilization and roll over was that. FAIL! blonde hair "guard" was pretty much useless till 1;26. tight strapping across the belly will interfer with breathing and increase the odds of vomiting. female doing the head seriously put her back at risk with that removal.

back to remedial lifesaving.

[sneakyabcd]

It may not be a good idea to put the tube under the legs at 2:25 because if he has a closed head injury, the ruptured vessels in the brain would bleed more severely, discouraging clotting and building pressure faster resulting in more brain damage and less time for an emergency operation.

[MrCarlover1]

support the neck stupid shits

[Bostoncannons26]

First of all, you had mistakes. "Hug yourself" and then letting his head be like that is completely wrong, he'd be dead. You can't stop supporting his neck at all. Plus, the middle strap should be over his arms. The first goes under, then the second and third are over. Not trying to be a pain, just would rather people not die because you did the procedure wrong.

[tgdemon228]

@Bostoncannons26 First of all, you are an idiot. The "hug yourself" was said to get his arms out of the way - if you actually watch the video, you can see the guard in the water vice-grip him to the board prior to her letting go. Immobilization is maintained.

[tgdemon228]

@Bostoncannons26 Second, strap procedure varies wildly among regions and certifications. We don't strap arms in at all because their position has no effect on spinal immobilization. What is important is that they are not loose to smash against the deck upon removal- we achieve this by tucking them into the body over the straps. Not trying to be a pain, just pointing out that you should be examining the video to see if the principles are achieved, not randomly critiquing anything thats different

[sebastian30000]

wow, this looks bad, we always have 4 poeple to stabilise the casualty in the water and then strap the person to the spinal board in the water

[imdaviddalen]

@squalosurf20 no this is clearly Ellis..

[SqualoSurf20]

I guess this is Red Cross (I'm Ellis): Why the gloves on a spinal? Ellis does not require gloves for spinal injuries. Also just throwing the GID's arms down after in-line is taken over doesn't seem very smart. Finally, she did the forehead strap first when securing the head pieces which with Ellis is a no no.

I am certifying through Red Cross soon for another job and there are a lot of little changes like this.

[mmorton038]

dang i feel bad for the guy who has to roll around in a wheelchair now

[Lifeguardwwk]

Hmm? To the Lifeguards that might not know something as well. The support method they did; Here in Canada it's called the Canadian Rollover spinal. The way the victim's arms and how they're squeezed against his ears/head prevents his head from moving back and forth, in which case is protecting the neck from further damage. Now the way they did with their boarding procedure it typical. Here in Canada we train the same way when it comes to boarding.

[InterestingFlavour]

Huh, well I guess a lot of people are blind. The dude with the sickass hair is supporting the chin and the underside of the backboard the whole time when she is applying the head restraints. They never let go of the head. I've never seen the technique of sliding the backboard into the water though... I guess it would work just fine (and be faster than the Red Cross version) if you slid the person over the board, which they did. Also the dragging at the end was obviously messing around.

[mykindarush1]

@InterestingFlavour I'm an Ellis guard and I work at a water park with a lazy river. Although I was trained to put the board in against the wall then to let it float up under the "GID", we have to bring it to the GID in the water while holding the vice grip strap them in then we (3-4 of us) lift them over the current to the side where another guard is waiting to pull them out 6ft away from the water. So this is where putting the board into the water helps us to maintain inline stabilization

[GlambertHumanoid]

that was a brutal spinal :/

[guitar911rock]

the neck wasnt supported at all tiems...

[kizzie916]

@guitar911rock thats what i thought at first but if you look closely the guy with curly hair took vise grip before the girl said im going to have you hug yourself his head and neck was stabalized the whole time..

[kizzie916]

i was wondering why at the end of the video did the guard stick the rescue tube under the board.

[Par4ah]

@kizzie916 I agree, in my opinion that would just screw the spinal!!!

[Militaryman174386]

@kizzie916 they did it to elevate the den of the board as not to bump the bottom of the board on the pool edge. it makes for a smother transition. good question

[Militaryman174386]

@Militaryman174386 my bad it was to elevate. what u didnt see was the other guard put another one under there for easy transit to the ambulance.

[gamesbub]

i like to swim

[laughinglaura1]

that's pretty good, except at our pool we get in the water with the board and bring it up directly under the victim, instead of pushing it under him from the deck... if that makes sense. we follow red cross procedures. that's basically what we do, though. looked a lot better than some other videos i've seen here on youtube!

[IsKaTeWiTaBoNeR]

is this dean jon pool?

[ImSoOffended]

It looks like you are using ellis standards...

[IndianaPentecostal23]

Fantastic job to all of your staff! Each facility presents different scenarios to where the skills must be adapted! When in doubt, make it work! Go ELLIS! :)

[ace121791]

i hate the new way ellis has us do spinal

[bboyflapps]

@ace121791 What do you mean by new? Just curious?

[Lifeguardwwk]

And, what the one girl said in the back as she was laughing " that's cause he's dumb it's his problem" okay!! That's it for me!! Trainings are to be taken seriously, not to joke around about. How come the brother was at the scene? SHOCK TREATMENT away from the scene Why would you say that? Would you do that in an event of a real situation? I would of docked marks for that I agree with jharwood2008? Why are gloves put on? Lifeguards need to train like it's the real deal. Really bad video to post

[jonaslover094]

Stupid spinals are what failed me my test the first time! Ughh! I hate them with a passion.

[NateTheGreatPilot]

At our facility, we have the primary using the head/neck splint and we have the secondary rescuer in the water with the back board. She secondary dunks the backboard underwater as the primary comes along side. Secondary goes to immobilize head w/ hands and primary goes to work strapping the straps. Ya'll was is a bit different, but at the end of the day, it's all the same!

[3lyKyl3]

Finally a video where people know what they're doing.

[Lifeguardwwk]

@3lyKyl3 Your bring Sarcastic? lol

[CodyIsReallyWhite]

how much do you get paid?

[ModelesqueInNature]

@CodyIsReallyWhite it varies depending on the company. I started at 7.50 and ended at 9.00. I quit though they would have kept raising it, but I started having skin problems from the sun.

[track818]

You're with Ellis and Associates right? Aside from a couple differences our training is very much alike. But ur lucky you don't have to wear ur entire uniform, but we do DX As for gloves, same with us, we aren't even allowed to apply aid without gloves on, aside from the actual rescue

[aaliyahmayah]

wtf????

[bonitastarrpric3]

from what everyone is saying I'm assuming this is the Ellis technique for shallow water spinal. I'm a Red Cross LGI, and our spinal techniques are very very different.. .. but this still looked very fast and effective.

Thanks for posting.

[onlyplayingme]

HAHA wow she let go of the head when putting on the head support FAIL!

[Zailen1]

I -hate- spinals haha

[kizzie916]

wow i am a lifeguard that works in sacramento county and we are taught the same way. i just wanted to let u guys know u performed that scenerio very well

[freedomii6]

W...T...F....???

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful infact heres a few questions, how should you enter the water when a casuatly has a spinal injury in the water, whats the grip called you should use if the person is face down in the water, and how many people does it require (minimum) to place a casualty on the spinal board safely and effectivly, also in what order should the straps be done on the spinal board?

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful Really. then why state it?

Funnily enough i have a mild form of autisum its called aspergers syndrome - very mild so its only effects my learning, not much though seeing as i got A*'s in all my grades. Your 10 years old, im probably right in saying your not even a lifeguard, so you would'nt know what we are talking about here. burn? i think not. move along small girl.

[sophiepuppyful]

@jackcrane105

I should know about lifeguards more than you because my family all has the job of a lifeguard.we could all swim at a young age.They are training me now.Shut up if you don't know what you are talking about.

Once again,burn.

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful HAHAHA, you seem to have a very big mouth for a 10 year old. If all your family are lifeguards - wow your familys income must be shit as lifeguards dont get paid that much at all. "They" cant train you up, there not qualified to do show, they can show you techniques but they cant train you. I do know what im talking about as ive been a lifeguard for 2 years now and done things you probably never will. You should find it easy to answer my questions above then.. your shit at burns.

[sophiepuppyful]

@jackcrane105

AND my dad is certified to be a trainer.Ha.

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful Ha? No.. No person in the WORLD is qualified as a trainer to train 10 year olds. So fuck off and stop replying you can't and won't win.

[sophiepuppyful]

@jackcrane105

...What?I never said that.That was my sis.I am really almost 18.

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful oh right so your 18 now and it was really your SISTER who has posted all this crap.

GREAT JOB THERE! no really. GREAT JOB!.

fuck off and die you 10 year old prat.

[grubbster1]

why gloves?

[jackcrane105]

I've never seen such terrible technique, who ever teaches you in the USA should be ashamed.

1. How by letting the body float are you supporting the spine and neck? There is no support there what-so-ever, you are allowing it to float? (regardless of it being in a real situation or not)

2. if your training, why are you allowing 1 person to drag the board at the end. and why are you dragging it?

once again the USA shows the incompetence.

England > USA

[sophiepuppyful]

@jackcrane105 Britains are SO stupid.You don't know how it is in America because you are so involved with your rich country you dont care about the poor country half a world away.

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful Really - Since half your country comes over to the UK for education (predicting your from the USA) i dont think were stupid. America isnt poor at all? Are you actually being serious with that statement? America is one of if not THE richest country in the world.

[sophiepuppyful]

@jackcrane105

have you BEEN here?Just because we have 50 states we are RICH?I dont think so!

[jackcrane105]

@sophiepuppyful Yes I have. Ye, and funnily enough those 50 states make up the USA idiot. - You are rich mainly because of the ammount of citizen you have in the USA, if you are stupid enough not to know this then can you really call yourself an american?

[sophiepuppyful]

@jackcrane105

I knew that dumb ass.Except for the fact you are so stupid autistic people would call you stupid.

BURN

[hassracing]

@jack crane 105 The company that is training them is obviously not very good, because I'm an Ellis guard(in the us) and we time the backboard sliding it up under the person while they are still in motion and floating with a straight spine. They also let go of the head before the foam pads were on and then drug the board with a spinal injury.

[ToledoBuffVids]

@hassracing , I noticed that too, but if you watch the video again, the one guard used head-chin support so that the female guard can slide the wedges right on.. And I was trained ARC and was tought to place on backboard while victim is still moving, not how it was here.

[ads007uk]

ouch thats terrible technique, I wont be swimming there. SCIM <-- Non existant in the US.

[Adam193]

i kno that training ALL to well thats Ellis right there

[rawrr216]

There are three different ways. Vice grip, which is the most recomended. This one, called a canadian is normally used for shallow water (knee height) where a vice grip is hard to use. Circles aren't necessary when doing a vice grip but they do help keep the victim's body horizontal. The last way is just like a two handed control carry and its meant for choppy water in a lake or ocean.

[Shadow0116]

The Canadian rollover is more for water depths that are near hip to elbow height, its near impossible to do a spinal rollover in knee-deep water.

[rawrr216]

You can easily do a vice grip in hip to elbow height water. What would you do then if you had a spinal in knee deep?

[kylamckee]

@Shadow0116 i would do a reverse-canadian in knee-deep water. During training, that's what my pool does in the really shallow pool. (And then you would "knife" the board underneath the victim)

[roxygrl021886]

wow i was trained to do spinals differently. im an ellis trained guard and when we get in the water and put the guest in a vice scrip we go in circles until someone comes over with a back board. then we strap chest first then the rest and never hug yourself

[StMuttley]

yeah i got trained to not do a spinal turn in shallow water, but then again ive also been trained to use a spinal board cause it can be awkward for the casualty and can o wrong, instead we use 3 other lifegaurds to supprt the head legs torso and waist, also this way you can tilt them on there side to be sick in water and out of water without damaging the spine

[666kf]

thank god i passed my exam this time last week firts time and i got it

[javonjohn]

I am an American Red Cross L.G.I (Lifeguard Instructor) and have been for over 15 years. The entire technique is NOT American Red Cross. HOWEVER, everyone should keep in mind that a lot of certifying bodies differ in techniques but they all have the same intent. Therefore, screw what everyone else says. You should always stick to what you are trained in and do not go above and beyond your training unless you want to test out the good samiratan laws in your particular state and face a lawsuit.

[onstagebabe04]

His back bent right before he was put on the board. If he really had a spinal injury that could have paralyzed him. You're supposed to bring the backboard into the water and strap the guest on there.

[piggywiggles34]

this sucks!

you are not suposed to hug yourself

[Darkgizmo14]

No yes or no questions

[12249pEST]

why is corbin blue there?

[BabySpit]

that's not how you do a back board. red cross does not (well not the one i took) teach that method

[supermonkey4884]

well, we've got the backboard as incorrect, as well as the straps, which go from the chest down, you dont have two people working thier way to the middle

and it was nice of that guard to put on some gloves while the guy would have been in pain...you glove up when your out of the protection of the chlorinated water

they are too slow

[supermonkey4884]

just for clarity, the backboard is incorrect because there is more than two guards present, you only put them on a backboard like that if only two guards are present, just because one lifeguard has to keep them stabilized while the other gets them on it

[Fankepro]

same im red cross and you DO NOT put the back board on like that. always parallel

[proxnobody]

well red cross kinda sucks lol

[angelstang]

he was put on the backboard incorrectly. at least from the way i was taught. and the neck brace at??

[JOEM747]

I am a certified lifeguard with the red cross and i was also too taught to use the backboard parallel to the victim. I was certified as of June 13, 2009! Today! Passed with flying colors! everything is correct except for when we were taught as soon as the victim is on the board you take the gaurd tube and put it under the backboard by the victims neck. we also don't drag them forever! in training we took turns and i hated being the victim.

[daketchup]

who hates on red cross!?!? we have a red cross program at woodland and we have never messed up any injury we are to say the least perfect

[asharpharmonicminor]

That's not Red Cross.

[12249pEST]

clearly this is a red cross spinal...definitely just paralyzed him

[xDirectJABx]

I'm a red cross guard and I was taught to slide the board parallel not like that...

[JOEM747]

Me too. but they maybe have and easier time lining the head up and the feet up without moving the victim.

[myruuhh]

its doesnt look like red cross cuz i was trained though them, i believe its alice? or ally or a girls name that starts with an a :)

[lkelsey12]

pulling someone up on the board would break their spine..

[proxnobody]

lord we would get whipped for not being on our stomachs top stablize the board at disney

[h8rade]

yeah same here. she's also not squeezing the arms at all against the head so she really isn't doing anything to stabalize.

[smcroc21]

ARC teaches you to put the backboard under the vic in a different way.instead of going from the head and sliding it under like that, ARC has you put it parallel w the vics body and then put under

[hannahbanana6130]

every company has a different way of dealing with spinal injuries.. correct me if im wrong (im an ellis guard) red cross straps the arms in and i know that ellis doesnt.. i dont know how starguard does it. I dont know about other programs but with ellis you have three minutes to get them out once you touch the guest in distress or GiD

[supersoakerz]

@hannahbanana6130

the video is only 2 1/2 minutes long...

[ImSoOffended]

@hannahbanana6130 it varies by town to town as well... we are given minimum standards, but towns go above and beyond. one place I worked at strapped in an X shape to increase pressure.

[Zailen1]

@hannahbanana6130: Its been a little while since I've done a spinal, but didn't Ellis change that standard to two minutes just recently?

[makingway1]

"are you here with anybody?" no yes or no questions..

[IndianaPentecostal23]

"Janaya14440": Research has been done to prove when a spinal injury happens the damage has already been done. With StarGuard at least, there has been talk with actually doing away with the "Ease in entry" and just doing strict compact jumps. In this scenerio, there were already waves in the water so the movement from the rescuer wouldn't be so significant that it would be considered being negligent. BTW Vice Grip and Head Splint are basically the same skill. Headsplint is an ARC term. Great Job!

[IndianaPentecostal23]

Very well done! I am very impressed! "First1responder": When you're dealing with BBP (bloodeborne pathogens) you can never be too safe. If your dealing with a spinal/unconscious victim there is always a possibility you can still come in contact with fluids. For example, an unconscious person could start vomiting. For a spinal, they could also vomit and there could be fluid coming from the ears. Again you can never be too safe. Great job guys!

[first1responder]

i dont know why they didnt do a head to toe examination before imoblization

[Mzcarnellbaby101]

thats wrong, the arms should be secured within the straps... but that in chicago.. idk how other states do it.

[h8rade]

that's ARC not ellis.

[Janaya14440]

That was horrible. there was no underwater approach, thus you created a wake and creating a wake is exactly what your not suppose to do. you had two people in the water, and one was simple just walking next to the victim when he could have held the victims hips keeping the victim more stabilized. And you guys did a Canadian roll over, why didn't you guys do a vice roll over.??

[Boeing624]

Nice. The only thing we do differently is when we put the head stabilizer on the guard in the water stabilizes the neck by putting their fingers on the cheekbones and having the forearm run down the sternum of the patient. This will ensure that the patient won't burt themselves if they accidentally move. If they were unconcious their head may have flopped.

[grubbster1]

thats alot different from the way i got taught

[AnnabelBermeo]

omg ppl need to chill on the gloves. SHIT.

[smatty12891]

nice execution. clearly you guys know what you are doing. something that i love about this video is how you actually talked to the guest the entire time! guards are my facility forget that every time and it drive me nuts!

[lumpypoo78]

what the hell why go in the pool with a rescue tube. for a spinal injury. and what the hell was the other lifeguard doing sweet f all. head splint isnt as affective as the vice grip as you can proberly tell im a pool lifeguard. when i train i train hard. sort it out lifeguards work as a team.

[jharwood2008]

Why do you have gloves on? It isn't an unconscious

[edchilds]

At our facility, We train as if it's the real deal. If a situation may become worse, we prep ourselfs for the worst. That way, we can maintain a consistant level of professionalism and saftey for ourselfs and guests at all times. : )

[jharwood2008]

Yeah but usually you shouldn't need gloves unless there is blood or other body fluids in the water. If they are conscious and they don't seem to be throwing up or anything you shouldn't need gloves.

[first1responder]

u dont just put gloves on for a unconscious casualty i wear gloves whenever im doing firstaid, for any diseases

[h8rade]

well considering that's part of ellis's training i don't see why they wouldn't have gloves on.

[ImSoOffended]

@jharwood2008 victim may throw up at any point, spinal fluids and blood are other risks.

[AnnabelBermeo]

lmao...

"omg, that's my brother...that's my brother.."