I think in general watching something gives people more pleasure. It doesn't really help creative thinking, imagination. Think about reading a book vs watching something lets say a movie.
When you read you have to construct in your head what you read. In a movie with the images and the music they tell you how to feel and what to think.
I think you tube still have some very useful and relevant videos. Some of the are very well thought argument, but they are very limited and very small percentege
I'm no big you tuber.I barely know what's out there. Though after looking at some of your stuff,it inspired me to pick up my abandoned Introduction to Phenomenology by Dermot Moran. So that's a positive. I could use a little push on Being and Nothingness,to say the least.
The populous aint dumb, they choose to be so as a consequence of the elitist FEAR of EQUALITY, basically stated, it's easier than fighting the unjust inequalities that occur, ask Tesla how far an individual can excel, "if you can't put a meter on it, they ain't financing it", ask Wilhiem Reich what happens if you create something that cannot be exploited.
When cultivated, what then.
I know I blamed Plato already, though, Freud has a lot to answer for also.
I think whats interesting is that you can learn plenty on social interactions just by using youtube. Of course you'd have to be perceptive on these sort of things.
Thank you for making this. It's an encouragement for me to get up and do something. I play guitar. I write. I sing. I care about other people. but I don't put it to use. This computer is my life support. It's what gets me through the day and I can't imagine living without it, which is a fantastic reason to toss it. The few friends I have are hardly friends at all anymore, my family is slipping away and my Mom Is worn out, because of this machine. I'm only 18. People like me have to change.
Remember that this kind of interactive medium (youtube, facebook etc.) is at its beginning.. I've been here since 2006, and I've already seen it evolve.. Yes, at this point there is a lot of chit-chat, but what can we expect? There's also A LOT of good, interesting information for those who are interested. Long debates, documentaries, commentary... I dont know about you, prof., but I've certainly found the whole youtube experience a great supplement to my studies, as well as life in general.
@taratasarar I think there is an important distinction to be made between a 14 year old (or just someone not familiar with these topics), finding his way to debates about God, atheism, political issues, science etc.; and a professor, who's been studying these kind of issues and discussing them, read about them etc. for MANY years. It seems logical that the 14 year old would find it more stimulating. Youtube is always evolving; More academics will find their way to these kind of forums with time.
I think it's a pop environment - a bar or party not an academic setting...
how do you feel about academic institutions running lectures? As an adult long out of university - I really love being able to watch lectures. I still read non fiction a lot - but a good lecture is a great experience... think of how many of us have no access to university level courswework...
but yes. The 'visual authenticity/credibility thing is bad/interesting. Nixon would feel what you say
Spoken like a true professor. This asshole lists his credentials, and joins academic clubs to prove his relevence.
And if he is any good and/or relevant there are plenty of academic foundations that will profit from the sales of his articles in their trade journals.
Spoken like a true professor, someone who condemns the now in favor of his job.
the fatal flaw in religon is that through a combined effort one can know god? god can only be touched on by a human mind and never fully attained ... philosophy doesnt nessacerally make this mistake ... we as individual thinkers claim athesim for this mistake...
we should create laws that apply to everyone... i agree... should we publicly seek to persecute the individual... death is their goal...if some """one""" kills some one they should be brought to justice
... imagine this the american public with a computer halo on thier heads so that as one speaks to the other a relavent web page is displayed? you might imagine that their was a difference individual multiplicity ""right""" wrong they are so pius to one another that they are all always one the same page...imagine relativity? what is it to think for oneself? is there a combined goal? do we really think for ourselves? is this good?
Finally, to follow up on the notion that you're overgeneralizing YouTube contributions as spontaneous and unpolished, let's not forget the far from negligible cultural contribution of having widespread easy access to videos of some of the greatest thinkers of all time that may have, say, aired on TV for a single night on some nondescript evening in the late 50's and which, despite its uniqueness and noteworthiness, would have, without YouTube (etc.), been ignored and forgotten, possibly forever.
Furthermore, I think that at least to some extent you're projecting: you're falling into the trap that many people fall into: you're becoming the very thing you criticize by purporting to stand outside of its sphere of influence when really you're still firmly entrenched within it, next door to those you implicitly (or not so implicitly) compare to yourself unfavorably. You are no less an egomaniac than they are. At least they're honest about it.
I think you're overgeneralizing the population of YouTube contributors. Granted, there are many, like you, who speak out of their asses, for better or worse. But there are also those who put together some quite complex art. YouTube, like the world at large, is a forum for people to do lots of different things. The only difference is, in the case of YouTube, the camera is on, and people watch what would otherwise have been ignored. Again, for better or worse. Sometimes one, other times the other.
I'd say I don't do these other things because society prevents me from doing them in telling me: "You are shit already, we don't care what you do, we don't care what you have to say. Now shut up and consume!"
So I came over here. Real life is not that much fun for me and I think for others it is not so much different
The wonderful Arthur Kroker (A sucessor of Mcluhan) used to ask, what is fearless speech in a system that welcomes it at every end, that destroys itself and wreaks havoc upon itself willingly? We love you here. _SEM_
I would be weary to choose activity based on relevance alone as what is relevant depends on what the agenda is and agenda lacks spontaneity. Newtons apple tree was irrelevant to science until it let go of the famous apple. Youtube is our apple tree, if no great thought is inspired by it, at least we can all have a good feast. Great vid Corey! You're inspiring, keep uploading!!!!
Professoranton tell your pal Fred that the koch triangle requiress that you position each new triangle at the centre point of the previous triangle - its all explicitly known. Sorry still no vacancies for God!
This is also my media vice of a device...being that I dont own a texting cell phone, a facebook, twitter, myspace, or any of the gaming systems and I dont watch T.V. or read the newspaper haha...I am uh a bit cut off in a sense because i refuse to get caught in the trap of idle talk and gossip technology...talk about wastes of time...in a sense I think youtube serves an honest entertainment as something that is better than lets say playing a video games for 10 hours...but I get your point...
lol i was thinking about this....yeah alot of it is ego gratification dont get me wrong its entertainment and I participate in this but there is also this drive to share what we have worked hard on and get some instant gratification for the acknowlegement of it..yes yes!!!finally what is the point of the information....for me it is embedding it into myself for the potentiality of becoming better...I think I have came across a plethora of ideas on youtube that have led to new books and discussion
Unfortunately Youtube and the internet are the only open forums for views contrary to the the corporate brainwashing one gets in the educational systems and mainstream media. The sad fact is that 97% of the populations of the world do not understand the true mechanics of money. A medium of exchange they use every day and they weren't taught anything of substance about - purposely. If the world understood money there would be no war and the majority of it wouldn't be held by the 3% that do.
You don't have to sell yourself, and others, short or paint all YouTubers w/ the same brush.There are actually some very informative and intellectually stimulating "channels" on here. It all depends on what one is here for. For the most part, I have used YouTube for self-improvement. I've been exposed to ideas, writers, and books that I wouldn't have otherwise. In my life, it is difficult to find opportunities for intellectual exchanges or certain kinds of programs. This helps to fill that void.
agreed & disagreed; nothing matters. phunny you should be a talking bout this just at the moment when i stumbled upon yt.c/edu [not that i haven't been subbed to mit or stanford or yttechtalks channels before for other reasons]. rant... ygh parteyh ohn! howhabhanga dhoods!
If you want an overly polished performance to satisfy the expectations of the highly literate crowd then go do that, quit bitching and leave us lower species to our lower pleasures.
If it weren't for YouTube, I would've never gotten into Merleau-Ponty, Varela and Maturana, McLuhan, or Epictetus. Before denouncing YouTube, consider that there are probably others like me who have also been exposed to ideas they might never have otherwise encountered.
I like watching cspan on occasion and I enjoy a good committee or house debate, but i think the nature of youtube allows people to talk about things that "professionals, experts and scholars" might censor them selves from saying. So it has intellectual value in that sense. When television first came on the scene, it gave a few people tremendous power of information control. I think youtube is a good check against those peoples power, though they seam to be trying to get it back.
Professoranton if you think YouTube is irrelevant, why is r u bothering even to post vids? I mean it's not like you already do not have a captive audience. Your college classroom.
Could it be that his little lectures only get to a couple dozen students in a College who 90% are only there to get their tickets punched for a job & really could care less about what he has to say. Or is it because Anton knows he has millions of potential viewers. So start makeing some sense Anton.
It's nothing new, Professor Anton. Derrida writes about this general trend in western civilization, from the Greeks to the present-- the privileging of speech over writing. You're absolutely right though. This privileging needs to be upturned.
You are no bad youtuber :-) dont care what happen around you, your channel is one of most valuable on YT (imho) and i enjoy every single of your ideas, even spicy peak-think pauses. Its a real pleasure and worth listening to you.
Your *stuff* need more views, what you say has value, is smart, rare, fair and often important for everyone.. somehow.
Youtube has value, in real life, yes, all global in [milli]seconds, and its full with strange, loud people...but thats part of the deal.
@aerobique Professor anton is a breath of fresh air on youtube. I hope he never leaves. I think the value of youtube is that it creates dialogue, but the bad side of youtube it can be negative. Well, good video, like always.
Maybe Youtube is not good for an individual but is good for a society. Partly because the less well read people can feed off the well read ones for free. It can also be a catalist for people to take interest in things and then go and learn about them for themselves I think.
Agreed on all fronts. Askesis is a problem NOT ONLY on youtube, but also in some philosophy departments. On the other hand, I've heard people on youtube say they come to youtube to get an education because they distrust Universities and Professors. I take this to mean they're either afraid of sophistry or afraid of being wrong.
I think you make many good points. One of the things I appreciate about YouTube is the book and author recommendations people make in their videos. To that extent YouTube can segue into the pursuits that you think are more worthy of our time.
Have you seen the Khan Academy account here on Youtube? It's a good example of video-based information that can be learned and transferred to thinking outside of this place.
I don't consider my time on youtube to be a total waste. Since I have been here I had my mind open to things that I never thought of before. I learned alot since I have been here. True most of the people here are here to be entertianed but its just a hobby. Although in the begning youtube took most of my time, so I to am can say have been a glutton for youtube also.
I had to laugh. I completely agree and even though I probably should be bettering myself in other ways, there's a certain allure about listening to what other people say, and responding to them in video form.
I have a stack of books that I could be reading right now, but instead... here I am commenting on this video. Funny, isn't it??
@superuser6, Who is stopping anybody from reading a book, oh and btw books now have gone digital, newspapers and we have new media forms called Blogs. Now I am not going to argue whether Anton is irrelevant. I am sure some people find his vids entertaining. He says the entire YouTube is Irrelevant. Really is that why Every major Media Organizaton has a YT presence?
Too simplify, Internet YT is the greatest Mass communication tool ever devised. Yes there is a lot of crap. Learn to filter.
I think you may be missing the point. Just because major media organizations are here on YouTube says nothing about how relevant it is to the human condition. I would say that the very fact that every media organization is here speaks against your premise.
Just like major media, YouTube has fallen victim to appealing to the lowest common denominator... I mean, seriously... have you ever even bothered to look at what gets the highest amount of views on this website? Nonsense...
@TheSkepticalAtheist, Yes I know who gets the highest views, Fred, Lisa Nova. Who gets the most business in your local community? Bars?
My point is Anton is saying YouTube is irrelevant. That is utter nonsense. No time in History has the average person, inlcuding Anton, Gary, Amazing ATheist & many many others have had a chance for millions of people to taste their idea's.
Like I said 90% of what is on YouTube is crap but that goes for everything & I mean everything else in the world.
@valhala56 95% of art is crap, Movies, tv, take Politics most of are elected representives are CRAP. Most food is crappy food and yes most of YouTube is crap. Oh and I forgot most of colleges are crap unless you consider Frat parties or dorm parties important somehow.
The key is to filter through what is important & what is not important. That is what your brain does everyday it filters through the millions of sights & sounds for what is important.
I guess I can see where you're coming from. But at the same time, what good really comes from it? I think that the channels which really have something useful to offer are certainly in the minority.
So, maybe "irrelevant" isn't the word. But, it really seems as though YouTube is really just a reflection of society as a whole. Most of it is nonsense, and it takes effort to find anything worth watching. And, as more and more people become involved, it will be harder to be noticed.
@TheSkepticalAtheist exactly YouTube is a reflection of society as a whole! We all have to hang out with idiots from time time, family gatherings, Work, School, prison. But some of us have something to say, some want news, just want information.
So you are right, Anton picked the wrong word.
I had my cable tv turned off. I was tired of paying for the lying lowest common denominator crap that is on Cable.
YouTube is a USER Fed media, not like the other media.
Youtube is lots of things to me. The biggest two of them is entertainment and enlarging my horizon (like through you or Ted Talks).
I study alot too. It's not like I try to get my eduction from youtube, it's more like I turn it on while I eat cornflakes. Well, I learn englisch here, so that counts for something ^^
99% of what some people might consider art is crap. The problem with you Anton is that You have over intelectualized yourself to the point that you are not makeing any sense.
What you should be teaching people in your class is how to filter through all the crap on YT & Internet. In other words what's Porn & what is Art. It can be done dude.
If you can filter through all the crap then you have access to the greatest mass comunication tool the world has ever seen.
Are you demented? If anything Undergraduate College is a waste compared to YouTube. I went to College 30 years ago & what I picked up in College is 0 relevant to what I do today.
First off, my business is on the Internet, ie make a living. YouTube for bad or good it can be a form of Town Soapbox where for once an average citizen not just some powerfull media person has a voice.
I feel that you really miss the whole point of YouTube. It is true Mass comunication on a Global scale.
@valhala56 Well said, as relevance can be a matter of making good applications and integrating one's thoughts, actions, and relationships. The Internet has made my job much easier and safer, giving me time for things like YT. Lives can be saved via the health information when used effectively, and yet it can be from mainstream researchers not yet used by most practicing doctors, etc. Conversations gain in relevance when many can watch and participate. Income from YT videos is also relevant.
You know Anton, it's like saying what are we doing with this "Internet" thing? Why aren't we out in a coal mine haveing some real fun?
I'm not trying to be rude, but again you are confusing your irrelevance with a much bigger "tool" Billions of people are commuicating on the Internet, Economic,Political, Spirtual ideas are being dissemenated like never before in the history of Civilization and somehow you come to the conclusion it is irrelevant?
i love it ..goes beyond even talking about it... once and a while ... yes but you are correct would do it for urself and no one else use it toget out of the tube people abuse themselves real bad on hre hah.. anyways i like the news but ive always been exception to the rule
Well, some of us work on computers all day long. It is better than having the radio on most of the time. But yes, it is somewhat irrelevant if you do not extend it into the real world. Fred makes videos too fast. I dare not make a video response for fear the topic has changed.
But I have to say I would not have heard of some authors if it was not for YouTube. I've read Wittgenstein, David Foster Wallace, and others.
Thinking of youtube merely as a media, a tool causes all these questions.
Why spending time on youtube when there are more (better) things to do? - I would love to talk to a friend about what I think, but my friends have different interests: they would recommend a good doctor if I would start talking about free will.
I can influence people on YT (but not my wife); they are changing me in their turn.
Spontaneous (vs. polished) thoughts on YT also have certain advantages.
One way in which YT can be relevant is by assisting those having doubts about their religious beliefs gain clarity and come out as atheists. Also, articulate Youtubers with whom a viewer agrees with, at first, can assist a viewer in noticing problems with such a simplistic approach and cease to be such a literal minded atheist semi-fool. These are the kind of conversations that could be hard to have with a neighbor or co-worker. Making money from YT is also quite relevant.
a lot of work goes into my videos. Also I am trying to improve in all the ways possible in presenting my content to the world. Hopefully some will find me entertaining and maybe ... just maybe enlightening.
You may say this, but alot of what you have said has got me thinking in periods in which I haven't got the time to study a book. You also lead people to books, so in that way you are helpful.
MetaCraken -- Yes, once we find a person we find relevant to our lives, THEN we have a better basis to consider books this person recommends, and we now have someone to respond to who values this book and maybe our comments on same. Why is this not a good conversation thing, compared to chatting up a neighbor whose dog just crapped on my lawn? Comments on books on Amazon is also quite useful for sorting out the books to read from those recommended by a meaningful YT dude.
In essence, we've become an indoctrinated collective of self-aggrandizing merchants of narcissism without merit, without substance. Always a pleasure, Corey.
Exactly...I am a guilty YouTube consumer [even a YT glutton], and I know that what you say is absolutely the crux of the problem here. The illusion that we're actually doing something of any value here is a convincing illusion. Well said!
"The illusion that we're actually doing something of any value" is the same illusion as morality, free will, purpose of our existence, our world, and so on.
Though you never know what has more value and what has less until you define "value".
I would disagree with you and Corey on this, I don't like non-stop gardening.
I think, Corey is just kidding in order to get responses with wider variety.
@wholethinker Sure hope you are correct about Corey's motivation, or that what you say would become correct after he considers this question of YT relevance further. I would like to see more in practical applications of ideas presented on YT, not just for actual use, but also as handy examples to help with understanding. For example, what is a really good relevant thing we could do with YT that Corey could start doing & illustrate for us as our fearless semi-leader?
@wholethinker Sure hope you are correct about Corey's motivation, or that what you say would become correct after he considers this question of YT relevance further. I would like to see more in practical applications of ideas presented on YT, not just for actual use, but also as handy examples to help with understanding. For example, what is a really good relevant thing we could do with YT that Corey could start doing & illustrate for us as our fearless semi-leader?
I think in general watching something gives people more pleasure. It doesn't really help creative thinking, imagination. Think about reading a book vs watching something lets say a movie.
When you read you have to construct in your head what you read. In a movie with the images and the music they tell you how to feel and what to think.
I think you tube still have some very useful and relevant videos. Some of the are very well thought argument, but they are very limited and very small percentege
KNuri1981 2 months ago in playlist My YouTube Experience
I'm no big you tuber.I barely know what's out there. Though after looking at some of your stuff,it inspired me to pick up my abandoned Introduction to Phenomenology by Dermot Moran. So that's a positive. I could use a little push on Being and Nothingness,to say the least.
73JonathanV 7 months ago
The populous aint dumb, they choose to be so as a consequence of the elitist FEAR of EQUALITY, basically stated, it's easier than fighting the unjust inequalities that occur, ask Tesla how far an individual can excel, "if you can't put a meter on it, they ain't financing it", ask Wilhiem Reich what happens if you create something that cannot be exploited.
When cultivated, what then.
I know I blamed Plato already, though, Freud has a lot to answer for also.
and the revenue from the adverts HERE.
mistaAnthonyWilson 7 months ago
Youtube is the funny/witty/wise/intelligent uncle. Only, he doesnt have a clue who you are.
timmysgonnagetcha 10 months ago
hes nuts
Wyteass 10 months ago
I think whats interesting is that you can learn plenty on social interactions just by using youtube. Of course you'd have to be perceptive on these sort of things.
Person009 1 year ago
@Person009 Good call.
Professoranton 1 year ago
I've learned plenty through youtube
Person009 1 year ago
Thank you for making this. It's an encouragement for me to get up and do something. I play guitar. I write. I sing. I care about other people. but I don't put it to use. This computer is my life support. It's what gets me through the day and I can't imagine living without it, which is a fantastic reason to toss it. The few friends I have are hardly friends at all anymore, my family is slipping away and my Mom Is worn out, because of this machine. I'm only 18. People like me have to change.
rkfan100 1 year ago
how do u go about making a video it sounds like ur saying u dont prepare it really what do u do just flip on the camera when u get a idea?
koldblooded1 1 year ago
he just put my ignorant ass in check....
koldblooded1 1 year ago
Remember that this kind of interactive medium (youtube, facebook etc.) is at its beginning.. I've been here since 2006, and I've already seen it evolve.. Yes, at this point there is a lot of chit-chat, but what can we expect? There's also A LOT of good, interesting information for those who are interested. Long debates, documentaries, commentary... I dont know about you, prof., but I've certainly found the whole youtube experience a great supplement to my studies, as well as life in general.
taratasarar 1 year ago
@taratasarar I think there is an important distinction to be made between a 14 year old (or just someone not familiar with these topics), finding his way to debates about God, atheism, political issues, science etc.; and a professor, who's been studying these kind of issues and discussing them, read about them etc. for MANY years. It seems logical that the 14 year old would find it more stimulating. Youtube is always evolving; More academics will find their way to these kind of forums with time.
taratasarar 1 year ago
This is why the downfall of American culture is near my dear friend.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
Nice to um...meet you?
I think it's a pop environment - a bar or party not an academic setting...
how do you feel about academic institutions running lectures? As an adult long out of university - I really love being able to watch lectures. I still read non fiction a lot - but a good lecture is a great experience... think of how many of us have no access to university level courswework...
but yes. The 'visual authenticity/credibility thing is bad/interesting. Nixon would feel what you say
CityzenJane 1 year ago
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Dimension3D2 1 year ago
This reminds me of Oscar Wilde saying we're all in the gutter, but a few of us are
looking at the stars.
The Net is a mirror of the world, YT is that part of the Net that makes people want
to imitate TV and achieve the magic of stardom.
Conditioned to a soundbite attention span makes holding a conversation almost
impossible. No worthwhile idea can be compressed into that frame, all you get
by trying is platitudes so trite they'd make a maggot puke.
tyrbolo 1 year ago
wow, have you only just figured that out.
popebenadict16 1 year ago
You should quit if you feel like this and I would take you serious...but I hear your point.....
freedomrecordsmusic 1 year ago
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def44 1 year ago
Spoken like a true professor. This asshole lists his credentials, and joins academic clubs to prove his relevence.
And if he is any good and/or relevant there are plenty of academic foundations that will profit from the sales of his articles in their trade journals.
Spoken like a true professor, someone who condemns the now in favor of his job.
If I had him I would surely DROP his courses.
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def44 1 year ago
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I understand what your saying.
Its about survival in an incredibly shaky civilization sitting on a foundation of cards.
Until the next thing that is. its down to the individual to change but not all of them realize they are invited.
We lack culture and a spiritual connection to the planet currently.
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def44 1 year ago
little bit of a paradox your doing isn't it HMMMMMMM......
iamthefantomdevourer 1 year ago
the fatal flaw in religon is that through a combined effort one can know god? god can only be touched on by a human mind and never fully attained ... philosophy doesnt nessacerally make this mistake ... we as individual thinkers claim athesim for this mistake...
yikeswood 1 year ago
we should create laws that apply to everyone... i agree... should we publicly seek to persecute the individual... death is their goal...if some """one""" kills some one they should be brought to justice
yikeswood 1 year ago
This is the new age of BS
Vettecool 1 year ago
... imagine this the american public with a computer halo on thier heads so that as one speaks to the other a relavent web page is displayed? you might imagine that their was a difference individual multiplicity ""right""" wrong they are so pius to one another that they are all always one the same page...imagine relativity? what is it to think for oneself? is there a combined goal? do we really think for ourselves? is this good?
yikeswood 1 year ago
Finally, to follow up on the notion that you're overgeneralizing YouTube contributions as spontaneous and unpolished, let's not forget the far from negligible cultural contribution of having widespread easy access to videos of some of the greatest thinkers of all time that may have, say, aired on TV for a single night on some nondescript evening in the late 50's and which, despite its uniqueness and noteworthiness, would have, without YouTube (etc.), been ignored and forgotten, possibly forever.
channelislander 1 year ago
Furthermore, I think that at least to some extent you're projecting: you're falling into the trap that many people fall into: you're becoming the very thing you criticize by purporting to stand outside of its sphere of influence when really you're still firmly entrenched within it, next door to those you implicitly (or not so implicitly) compare to yourself unfavorably. You are no less an egomaniac than they are. At least they're honest about it.
channelislander 1 year ago
I think you're overgeneralizing the population of YouTube contributors. Granted, there are many, like you, who speak out of their asses, for better or worse. But there are also those who put together some quite complex art. YouTube, like the world at large, is a forum for people to do lots of different things. The only difference is, in the case of YouTube, the camera is on, and people watch what would otherwise have been ignored. Again, for better or worse. Sometimes one, other times the other.
channelislander 1 year ago
Thoughtful analysis. I love this. :-)
DianaBoston 1 year ago
Everything is irrelevant.
CosmicSisyphus 1 year ago
YouTube is great for improving your English skills
greensoxable 1 year ago
I'd say I don't do these other things because society prevents me from doing them in telling me: "You are shit already, we don't care what you do, we don't care what you have to say. Now shut up and consume!"
So I came over here. Real life is not that much fun for me and I think for others it is not so much different
hyperseauton 1 year ago
one educates themselves.
f417h 1 year ago
The wonderful Arthur Kroker (A sucessor of Mcluhan) used to ask, what is fearless speech in a system that welcomes it at every end, that destroys itself and wreaks havoc upon itself willingly? We love you here. _SEM_
SingleEyeMovement 1 year ago
It's an interesting question that you apparently are asking yourself. I hope the answer you find enriches your experience of life. Cheers.
NLPNVC 1 year ago
See yourself as a long commercial for and ongoing life-commentary on behalf of the minds you've been dialoging with throughout your life.
NeoChalcedonian 1 year ago
Come on down to the cyber Piraeus where we flex our moderation against the excessiveness of others.
brokennarcissist 1 year ago
Thought provoking, but define relevant.
I would be weary to choose activity based on relevance alone as what is relevant depends on what the agenda is and agenda lacks spontaneity. Newtons apple tree was irrelevant to science until it let go of the famous apple. Youtube is our apple tree, if no great thought is inspired by it, at least we can all have a good feast. Great vid Corey! You're inspiring, keep uploading!!!!
amabodie 1 year ago
did you see azrienoch's "the cost of laughter"?
cuntsound 1 year ago
Don't forget the 80/20 rule. In the case of Youtube, the ratio becomes 99/01. Lets appreciate the 1 percent that you are deservingly among.
detriplea 1 year ago
Professoranton Hey - don't feel bad about it Ant - I prefer it if my posts go unanswered.
kensho123456 1 year ago
you live in a bubble, prof, just as much as anyone else does.
gratex 1 year ago
Professoranton tell your pal Fred that the koch triangle requiress that you position each new triangle at the centre point of the previous triangle - its all explicitly known. Sorry still no vacancies for God!
kensho123456 1 year ago 2
This is also my media vice of a device...being that I dont own a texting cell phone, a facebook, twitter, myspace, or any of the gaming systems and I dont watch T.V. or read the newspaper haha...I am uh a bit cut off in a sense because i refuse to get caught in the trap of idle talk and gossip technology...talk about wastes of time...in a sense I think youtube serves an honest entertainment as something that is better than lets say playing a video games for 10 hours...but I get your point...
f1ghtclub2k3 1 year ago
lol i was thinking about this....yeah alot of it is ego gratification dont get me wrong its entertainment and I participate in this but there is also this drive to share what we have worked hard on and get some instant gratification for the acknowlegement of it..yes yes!!!finally what is the point of the information....for me it is embedding it into myself for the potentiality of becoming better...I think I have came across a plethora of ideas on youtube that have led to new books and discussion
f1ghtclub2k3 1 year ago
Is this, mayhaps, a trope of representation?
Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? Look, your old universities ate dead and gone, geddit?
kensho123456 1 year ago
Unfortunately Youtube and the internet are the only open forums for views contrary to the the corporate brainwashing one gets in the educational systems and mainstream media. The sad fact is that 97% of the populations of the world do not understand the true mechanics of money. A medium of exchange they use every day and they weren't taught anything of substance about - purposely. If the world understood money there would be no war and the majority of it wouldn't be held by the 3% that do.
VoteLib3rty 1 year ago
The medium is the message!
stefanlittle 1 year ago
You don't have to sell yourself, and others, short or paint all YouTubers w/ the same brush.There are actually some very informative and intellectually stimulating "channels" on here. It all depends on what one is here for. For the most part, I have used YouTube for self-improvement. I've been exposed to ideas, writers, and books that I wouldn't have otherwise. In my life, it is difficult to find opportunities for intellectual exchanges or certain kinds of programs. This helps to fill that void.
JasonMcMahanIsOnline 1 year ago
Youtube might be a very useful medium for the orientation of people's knowledge.
But yeah, it's got to have an extended result into the offline world, for it to mean something. It could result into a better oriented society.
jaikook 1 year ago
agreed & disagreed; nothing matters. phunny you should be a talking bout this just at the moment when i stumbled upon yt.c/edu [not that i haven't been subbed to mit or stanford or yttechtalks channels before for other reasons]. rant... ygh parteyh ohn! howhabhanga dhoods!
jogayot 1 year ago
it is a bridge into higher learning and you could never prove that wrong nor would any caring human being deny that fact
omghai2u 1 year ago
This means a lot to people!
You are begging for compliments fucker ;)
organdva 1 year ago 2
If you want an overly polished performance to satisfy the expectations of the highly literate crowd then go do that, quit bitching and leave us lower species to our lower pleasures.
DiwataMan 1 year ago
Professor, I make vids, watch a few and that's it.
I drop an Indeed here and there and I'm out.
Indeed
Pussymcfats 1 year ago
If it weren't for YouTube, I would've never gotten into Merleau-Ponty, Varela and Maturana, McLuhan, or Epictetus. Before denouncing YouTube, consider that there are probably others like me who have also been exposed to ideas they might never have otherwise encountered.
silversoul7 1 year ago 3
maybe its "value" lies in that it's a natural flow and not an induced creation.
daniela1771 1 year ago
I think i want to make a video response to this.
tooltime9901 1 year ago
I feel the same way.
phlewis86 1 year ago
I like watching cspan on occasion and I enjoy a good committee or house debate, but i think the nature of youtube allows people to talk about things that "professionals, experts and scholars" might censor them selves from saying. So it has intellectual value in that sense. When television first came on the scene, it gave a few people tremendous power of information control. I think youtube is a good check against those peoples power, though they seam to be trying to get it back.
VikingNinjitsu 1 year ago
Professoranton if you think YouTube is irrelevant, why is r u bothering even to post vids? I mean it's not like you already do not have a captive audience. Your college classroom.
Could it be that his little lectures only get to a couple dozen students in a College who 90% are only there to get their tickets punched for a job & really could care less about what he has to say. Or is it because Anton knows he has millions of potential viewers. So start makeing some sense Anton.
valhala56 1 year ago
wow good vid professor ...
Elenkhos 1 year ago 9
It's nothing new, Professor Anton. Derrida writes about this general trend in western civilization, from the Greeks to the present-- the privileging of speech over writing. You're absolutely right though. This privileging needs to be upturned.
beholdmyswarthyface0 1 year ago
You are no bad youtuber :-) dont care what happen around you, your channel is one of most valuable on YT (imho) and i enjoy every single of your ideas, even spicy peak-think pauses. Its a real pleasure and worth listening to you.
Your *stuff* need more views, what you say has value, is smart, rare, fair and often important for everyone.. somehow.
Youtube has value, in real life, yes, all global in [milli]seconds, and its full with strange, loud people...but thats part of the deal.
aerobique 1 year ago 14
@aerobique Professor anton is a breath of fresh air on youtube. I hope he never leaves. I think the value of youtube is that it creates dialogue, but the bad side of youtube it can be negative. Well, good video, like always.
natedaug1 1 year ago
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jedimasterbooboo 1 year ago
Make audio super loud, because people can turn it down, but some of us can't turn it up... thx
jedimasterbooboo 1 year ago
Maybe Youtube is not good for an individual but is good for a society. Partly because the less well read people can feed off the well read ones for free. It can also be a catalist for people to take interest in things and then go and learn about them for themselves I think.
fullfrontalfrank 1 year ago
Agreed on all fronts. Askesis is a problem NOT ONLY on youtube, but also in some philosophy departments. On the other hand, I've heard people on youtube say they come to youtube to get an education because they distrust Universities and Professors. I take this to mean they're either afraid of sophistry or afraid of being wrong.
rockybr420 1 year ago
I think you make many good points. One of the things I appreciate about YouTube is the book and author recommendations people make in their videos. To that extent YouTube can segue into the pursuits that you think are more worthy of our time.
DanaGarrett 1 year ago
Have you seen the Khan Academy account here on Youtube? It's a good example of video-based information that can be learned and transferred to thinking outside of this place.
anothercalmstep 1 year ago
You could try giving a pop quiz or reading assignment see if you get any participation. It can be what you make it.
fractal420 1 year ago
I don't consider my time on youtube to be a total waste. Since I have been here I had my mind open to things that I never thought of before. I learned alot since I have been here. True most of the people here are here to be entertianed but its just a hobby. Although in the begning youtube took most of my time, so I to am can say have been a glutton for youtube also.
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ORz42 1 year ago
another throe in professor Anton's ongoing love/hate affair with the youtubes...
ORz42 1 year ago
I had to laugh. I completely agree and even though I probably should be bettering myself in other ways, there's a certain allure about listening to what other people say, and responding to them in video form.
I have a stack of books that I could be reading right now, but instead... here I am commenting on this video. Funny, isn't it??
TheSkepticalAtheist 1 year ago
@superuser6, Who is stopping anybody from reading a book, oh and btw books now have gone digital, newspapers and we have new media forms called Blogs. Now I am not going to argue whether Anton is irrelevant. I am sure some people find his vids entertaining. He says the entire YouTube is Irrelevant. Really is that why Every major Media Organizaton has a YT presence?
Too simplify, Internet YT is the greatest Mass communication tool ever devised. Yes there is a lot of crap. Learn to filter.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56
I think you may be missing the point. Just because major media organizations are here on YouTube says nothing about how relevant it is to the human condition. I would say that the very fact that every media organization is here speaks against your premise.
Just like major media, YouTube has fallen victim to appealing to the lowest common denominator... I mean, seriously... have you ever even bothered to look at what gets the highest amount of views on this website? Nonsense...
TheSkepticalAtheist 1 year ago
@TheSkepticalAtheist, Yes I know who gets the highest views, Fred, Lisa Nova. Who gets the most business in your local community? Bars?
My point is Anton is saying YouTube is irrelevant. That is utter nonsense. No time in History has the average person, inlcuding Anton, Gary, Amazing ATheist & many many others have had a chance for millions of people to taste their idea's.
Like I said 90% of what is on YouTube is crap but that goes for everything & I mean everything else in the world.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56 95% of art is crap, Movies, tv, take Politics most of are elected representives are CRAP. Most food is crappy food and yes most of YouTube is crap. Oh and I forgot most of colleges are crap unless you consider Frat parties or dorm parties important somehow.
The key is to filter through what is important & what is not important. That is what your brain does everyday it filters through the millions of sights & sounds for what is important.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56
I guess I can see where you're coming from. But at the same time, what good really comes from it? I think that the channels which really have something useful to offer are certainly in the minority.
So, maybe "irrelevant" isn't the word. But, it really seems as though YouTube is really just a reflection of society as a whole. Most of it is nonsense, and it takes effort to find anything worth watching. And, as more and more people become involved, it will be harder to be noticed.
TheSkepticalAtheist 1 year ago
@TheSkepticalAtheist exactly YouTube is a reflection of society as a whole! We all have to hang out with idiots from time time, family gatherings, Work, School, prison. But some of us have something to say, some want news, just want information.
So you are right, Anton picked the wrong word.
I had my cable tv turned off. I was tired of paying for the lying lowest common denominator crap that is on Cable.
YouTube is a USER Fed media, not like the other media.
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TheSkepticalAtheist 1 year ago
Agreed
murderd2death 1 year ago
Professoranton has shot himself in the foot with this one.
LimpLoser 1 year ago
Youtube is lots of things to me. The biggest two of them is entertainment and enlarging my horizon (like through you or Ted Talks).
I study alot too. It's not like I try to get my eduction from youtube, it's more like I turn it on while I eat cornflakes. Well, I learn englisch here, so that counts for something ^^
Fensterplaetzchen 1 year ago
99% of what some people might consider art is crap. The problem with you Anton is that You have over intelectualized yourself to the point that you are not makeing any sense.
What you should be teaching people in your class is how to filter through all the crap on YT & Internet. In other words what's Porn & what is Art. It can be done dude.
If you can filter through all the crap then you have access to the greatest mass comunication tool the world has ever seen.
valhala56 1 year ago
Are you demented? If anything Undergraduate College is a waste compared to YouTube. I went to College 30 years ago & what I picked up in College is 0 relevant to what I do today.
First off, my business is on the Internet, ie make a living. YouTube for bad or good it can be a form of Town Soapbox where for once an average citizen not just some powerfull media person has a voice.
I feel that you really miss the whole point of YouTube. It is true Mass comunication on a Global scale.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56 Well said, as relevance can be a matter of making good applications and integrating one's thoughts, actions, and relationships. The Internet has made my job much easier and safer, giving me time for things like YT. Lives can be saved via the health information when used effectively, and yet it can be from mainstream researchers not yet used by most practicing doctors, etc. Conversations gain in relevance when many can watch and participate. Income from YT videos is also relevant.
gedgetips 1 year ago
You know Anton, it's like saying what are we doing with this "Internet" thing? Why aren't we out in a coal mine haveing some real fun?
I'm not trying to be rude, but again you are confusing your irrelevance with a much bigger "tool" Billions of people are commuicating on the Internet, Economic,Political, Spirtual ideas are being dissemenated like never before in the history of Civilization and somehow you come to the conclusion it is irrelevant?
Wow that is just cazy man.
valhala56 1 year ago
i love it ..goes beyond even talking about it... once and a while ... yes but you are correct would do it for urself and no one else use it toget out of the tube people abuse themselves real bad on hre hah.. anyways i like the news but ive always been exception to the rule
DeadGiveawayBeats 1 year ago
Its a double edged sword, but it does some good,
BespokeGroupUK 1 year ago
Nice rant. I like. Conversation is key. One of the main reasons I'm here.
But it would be nice if you responded to a comment every now and then. There are two areas of talk. Videos and comments.
alowlyapprentice 1 year ago
Well, some of us work on computers all day long. It is better than having the radio on most of the time. But yes, it is somewhat irrelevant if you do not extend it into the real world. Fred makes videos too fast. I dare not make a video response for fear the topic has changed.
But I have to say I would not have heard of some authors if it was not for YouTube. I've read Wittgenstein, David Foster Wallace, and others.
Yes, people are fighting to be relevant.
YouTube is narcissism on steroids.
alowlyapprentice 1 year ago
Thinking of youtube merely as a media, a tool causes all these questions.
Why spending time on youtube when there are more (better) things to do? - I would love to talk to a friend about what I think, but my friends have different interests: they would recommend a good doctor if I would start talking about free will.
I can influence people on YT (but not my wife); they are changing me in their turn.
Spontaneous (vs. polished) thoughts on YT also have certain advantages.
wholethinker 1 year ago 3
One way in which YT can be relevant is by assisting those having doubts about their religious beliefs gain clarity and come out as atheists. Also, articulate Youtubers with whom a viewer agrees with, at first, can assist a viewer in noticing problems with such a simplistic approach and cease to be such a literal minded atheist semi-fool. These are the kind of conversations that could be hard to have with a neighbor or co-worker. Making money from YT is also quite relevant.
gedgetips 1 year ago
a lot of work goes into my videos. Also I am trying to improve in all the ways possible in presenting my content to the world. Hopefully some will find me entertaining and maybe ... just maybe enlightening.
Aberran of the Axiom of Discord
AxiomofDiscord 1 year ago
You may say this, but alot of what you have said has got me thinking in periods in which I haven't got the time to study a book. You also lead people to books, so in that way you are helpful.
MetaCraken 1 year ago
MetaCraken -- Yes, once we find a person we find relevant to our lives, THEN we have a better basis to consider books this person recommends, and we now have someone to respond to who values this book and maybe our comments on same. Why is this not a good conversation thing, compared to chatting up a neighbor whose dog just crapped on my lawn? Comments on books on Amazon is also quite useful for sorting out the books to read from those recommended by a meaningful YT dude.
gedgetips 1 year ago
In essence, we've become an indoctrinated collective of self-aggrandizing merchants of narcissism without merit, without substance. Always a pleasure, Corey.
QuietSundayLibrary 1 year ago
Exactly...I am a guilty YouTube consumer [even a YT glutton], and I know that what you say is absolutely the crux of the problem here. The illusion that we're actually doing something of any value here is a convincing illusion. Well said!
2bsirius 1 year ago 3
@2bsirius
"The illusion that we're actually doing something of any value" is the same illusion as morality, free will, purpose of our existence, our world, and so on.
Though you never know what has more value and what has less until you define "value".
I would disagree with you and Corey on this, I don't like non-stop gardening.
I think, Corey is just kidding in order to get responses with wider variety.
wholethinker 1 year ago
@wholethinker Sure hope you are correct about Corey's motivation, or that what you say would become correct after he considers this question of YT relevance further. I would like to see more in practical applications of ideas presented on YT, not just for actual use, but also as handy examples to help with understanding. For example, what is a really good relevant thing we could do with YT that Corey could start doing & illustrate for us as our fearless semi-leader?
gedgetips 1 year ago
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@wholethinker Sure hope you are correct about Corey's motivation, or that what you say would become correct after he considers this question of YT relevance further. I would like to see more in practical applications of ideas presented on YT, not just for actual use, but also as handy examples to help with understanding. For example, what is a really good relevant thing we could do with YT that Corey could start doing & illustrate for us as our fearless semi-leader?
gedgetips 1 year ago
@2bsirius What? Discourse is a vauleless illusion?
DiwataMan 1 year ago