So god cannot be in 2 places at once? Deut. 4:39. 3 persons means separate. Nimrod started the Trinity before the new testament. It consist of Ishtar, Horus and Nimrod.You also talk bad on Catholics. I don't understand that when they gave you the trinity Doctrine.
i agree with you god said let us make man in our image he spoke within himself there was no cumminication between 3 people now to bring it home if god was talking to 2 other people why did he turn around in the next vs and create by himself col 2 vs2-9 note vs 2 and vs 9 there are several scriptures where not only did jesus claim to be equal with god but that he was god himself jh 14,7-9 jh 1,1-14 isa 43,10-12 jh 10,33 now if jesus was conceived by the holyghost how can god be th father
if they are three seperate persons how can this be read hebrew 1 god is a spirit in the only thing that a spirit can do with flesh is dwell in it that which is flesh is flesh god himself wraped himself in flesh in dwelt among us so as man he was or example so he would speak and act in his nature as a human yet with out sin for our example you stated that jesus was god are you confused god said he was god alone and besides him there is no god so how cn there b god father god son god holyspirit
show me in scripture where the word said god the father god the son and god the holyspirit and i will convert jh 17, 5 jesus jesus was getting ready to b betrayed so his prayer was glorify me with thine self because he was getting ready to pull of his nature are diety as a man and go back to spirit this is why he said with the glory i had from the beginning because god is spirit and he knew he was god himself
if one god exisit as three person then that will still make jesus tio be the very god himself one god making himsdelf known or manafesting himself as two other people will STILL MAKE them GOD THE ONE GOD THE TRUE GOD JESUS IS STILL THE SAME PERSON WITH POWER TO BE WHAT HE WONTS TO BE HE SAID HE WAS GOD ALONE AND BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO OTHER IF IT IS MORE THEN ONE THEN THAT WOULD MAKE GOD A LIE ISA 43,10-12 IF JESUS BE NOT GOD HIMSELF HOW CAN HE SAVE ANYBODY PLEASE SEE ALSO JH 1 ,1-14
I don't have to be careful because all of my answers are supported by scripture. Look to be honest I'm not interested in you right now. I've debated so many dishonest oneness folks that quite frankly I feel it would be a complete waste of my time to engage in a discussion with you on the issue. There is nothing that you can present that I have not already soundly refuted. So if your looking for a debate you won't find one here. Maybe some other time.
get that into your spirit and meditate on that, take a look at how you are dealing with others that is stating they are not against you, I beleive with Paul in the furtherance of the gospel, not the conformity of doctrines Phil 1
Paul was the same way, with "his God", until Jesus was revealed to Paul as Lord, of which Paul's shemah, taught One LORD God, therefore Paul knew Him as LORD God, and that He was indeed the One LORD God and ultimately the One Father of us all---as far as me not having your Jesus. He that is wise winneth souls, you have not won me or anyone else with this spirit of yours. you are Pharisaical in your blinded zeal, that you cannot see how it is you are carrying yourself and handling the Word
Trinitarians have an understanding of God that does not disrupt salvation, and Oness people have an understanding that doesn't either.
ebing more Christ centered is much more powerful, holding Him in your heart as Lord, as God, and ultimately your Father is so much more helpful.
Jesus became a man for a while, but went back...you are a man here too, for a while,while we stand we are sons ofGod though it doesn't appear, but when he shall appear, we shall truly know and see
Oneness theology does disrupt salvation on two fronts. First you are not worshipping God in spirit and in truth. The Lord said I am the way,the truth and the life no man comes to the Father but by me. Without truth you cannot come to the Father. No lie is of the truth. Oneness is a lie. Second you believe that you have to be baptized in order to be saved. Which is a lie as well, salvation is a gift that is freely given by faith alone, not by any one work or works period.
You don't have my Jesus. My Jesus is the Jesus of the holy scriptures who says that the Father loved Him before the world began. Not that He is the Father. My Jesus death on the cross, His burial and ressurrection secured my salvation. Where as the Jesus that you preach requires baptism to eternal life.
you don't know what i believe, you have an idea of what my organization beleives, but you don't have a foothold on what i beleive; i don't agree with every thing my denomination proposes.
men and brethren, what shall we do to be saved? then Peter answered, Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus, for the remission of sins, and you shall recieve theHolyGhost-what about that you don't agree with?FAITH COMES BY HEARING,AND HEARING BY THE WORD,FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD
the image He had in mind was the imageJesus portrayed,andHis likeness,butJesus had not body in eternity;only when concerning us will we seeJesus in the formHe intended.The"Word"ofGod"became flesh,and dwelt among us,and we beheld"NOT EARLIER,AND NOT AFTER,but when we he appears again in the clouds,we shall seeJesus.we agree Jesus isGod,we agreeGod isOneLORD,we agree that theLordcreated all things,that makes him progenitor of all things,Father but you cannot go that far for tradition sake,VERY SAD
I am a Oness Pentecostal to the core of my heart, I believe it to be true and sound, but that little piece of what I have is not saving me. It is nothing but the grace of God who overlooks my faults, and shortcomings, but proceeds to sanctify me through His Spirit. Maybe you are right, maybe you are not a brother, but that would certainly not be for me to say, don't you think?Neither can you. As Paul came againstPeter,I have to withstand the spirit by which you are coming at what you term"issue"
what's throwing people off, it seems like, is that they think God cannot run the universe while saving humanity. I've mentioned this before, God can answer and manifest Himself to the whole globe all at once. THE I AM THAT I AM can answer ideosyncratic prayers all over and maintain His Oness. Is there anything too hard for God? So, can He still rule heaven, manifest on earth, be baptized of John, be seen of angels, preached on in the world, and still speak out of heaven confirming His Word? YES!
is Jesus in actuality a Lamb? no, He is no animal. but what the Lamb symbolized in the Old Testament is what He became in order to do that which was required for our sins. He left His place in heaven and became 100% man, even though as God He was still 100% God. God can never cease being God, but God manifest in the flesh, humbled Himself and fashioned Himself as a man(flesh) and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. Only God can do that. He did it so that we can be His sons, in translation
so many things in the Old Testament pointed to what Jesus had to do in order to secure salvation for us. and the Old Testament also affirms that God is the only Savior as well, and beside Him there is no other. So, finally the One who is also pictured a Lamb is also the One who was the Lion. these are visual symbols of One person, just as God(a Spirit) sitting on the throne and the Lamb(Jesus) takes the scroll. God is a Spirit, can you see God? but Revelation says He sat on the throne.
I'M PUTTING KEITH HERE ON NOTICE: I have been responding to his derrogatory comments made about the Oness doctrine, about me, and about my salvation, and all his little weak retaliatory defamations about Oness Pentecostals' characters.TOUCH NOT HIS ANOINTED,AND DO HIS PROPHETS NO HARM.WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWING WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU,PLEASE REPENT.YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME,BUT YOU WILL NOT GO ON (AS THOUGH IT WERE IN YOUR POWER)CONDEMNING US TO HELL
MAT. 22:37 JESUS ANSWERS JESUS IS QUOTING WHAT ALL JEWS RECITE, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF SHAMAH FOUND IN DEUT. 6:4 WHICH TAKES THEM BACK TO WHO AND WHAT GOD IS? ONE LORD GOD SO, THAT BEING SAID, JEWS LIKE PAUL KNEW WHO HE WAS TALKING TO ON THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS WHEN HE SAID, "Who art thou, Lord? AND THE LORD SAID, "I am Jesus whom thou persecutest." OR EVEN THOMAS WHEN HE FINALLY SAW JESUS AFTER HIS DEATH, HE CALLED JESUS, "My Lord and my God."
Once again, I have been judged, and because you (athanasus) don't believe what I am saying, you have lumped me up with Modalism. Modalism confines a powerful God in a box, and sets boundaries for what God can do. In a lot of ways, this is what Trinitarians do too. God can rule the universe and keep it all together, while coming into our little world to save us (in time), and still be the Holy Spirit that He is to answer prayers, and move in the lives of all. It is sad that you minimizeGOD'S NAME
Jesus is the pattern by which God created man, we were always meant to be like Jesus, even pre-incarnate. Jesus is the image associated with God - he is the first born of all creation, by Him(the Word) was everything made that was made - prototokos is the Gk word firstborn, which implies that He holds the blueprint of everything fashioned by God, for example: Light, God said, Let there be light- as the word proceeded from the Father, the mission was to relay the mind of God into manifestation
you are very deep!! where is this mission to relay the mind of God found in the bible?? Also" we were always meant to be like Jesus, even pre-incarnate"?? even pre-incarnate where at ?? what book please??
if I have been made in the image and likeness of God, then where is my other two co-existent persons that are supposedly co-joined with my apparent-physical me (that is typing this message)?
Your understanding of image totally distorted. God made man good,pure, holy undefiled and with authority(Just like God) over the earth .Man was to be God's representative on earth. But because of sin humans don't reflect God like we are supposed to. But when are born again we are indwelt by God and he is restoring His image in us by purifying us,cleansing us from sin, making us holy and undefiled and giving us authority over sin and death. Plus we will reign with Him for all eternity.
i don't disagree with anything you just said, the image God created man was indeed pure, all i said it was fashioned and patterned after Jesus, the firstborn of every creature, look up firstborn, the Greek word, PROTOKOS, the implication is that Jesus is the blueprint for all that has been created. - i know what image means, but people confuse it with likeness, for which Adama was made in both, but lost the likeness(godliness)
because i was looking for your answer to that? do you have three persons? or are you going to utilize the argument that we are spirit, soul, and body? which if you agree with the latter, is still and always be one person, even as God is One:Holy Spirit, the Son(physical appearance), and soul (individuality of one person, the mind, the self awareness)
you are limited in your understanding, and we all need to read our Bibles more and more each day, rightly diving the Word of truth
YOUR interpretations of such scripture like when Jesus was baptized is very incomplete and faulty. why did Jesus get baptized to be saved help him be a better person, did he have to get baptized?--think about that...so, if he didn't have get baptized for himself, then who did he do this for? for all them that would follow his lead, his way, the truth, the life- this is the same reason The Spirit of God descended like a dove upon Jesus, to confirm His Word, and who it was that was being confirmed
I never said Jesus needed to baptized to be saved or to be a better person of course not He is God, He is the LIfe. What I fight against is the false teachings presented by oneness pentecostal's is that we have to be baptized in order to be saved and that the Father speaking from heaven, the Son being baptized, and the Spirit of God descending upon the Son are all the same person. Those are heretical teachings and easily refuted. There is love and joy expressed between the Father,and the Son &HS
why are you fighting doctrines, when God called you to be a reconciler to Jesus through the gospel of Jesus Christ. preach the gospel, not doctrine; we are brothers, we can sort that out, and God knows all of our deficiencies of knowledge, we look through a glass darkly, we know in part, we prohesy in part, but when that which is in part is done away, then we shall know, even as we are known. --people need to hear that Jesus died for their sins, and that there is an exit strategy given by GOD
the bible tells us to "earnestly contend for the faith" Jude 3. If you don't have the doctrine of Christ you don't have God 2John 9. There is another Jesuus, Spirit , and gospel 2Cor. 11;4 . Oneness is ancient Modalism it was condemned in the 3rd century it must be condemned now!!!
you are in error as to what i believe. I believe in ONE God, just like the Jews believe and still do. ONE God who by His own will does whatever He pleases to do. I'm not a modalist or one who believes in One God who method acts certain roles one at a time in order to get His will done. God is who He is and is what He is- at all times. God is One God, who speaks His Word(will), and by His own Spirit brings His Word(will) to pass, and His name is declared and revealed to be Jesus, the singularname
teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: What is that name?
be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. So, where did Peter get the idea to baptize in Jesus name? IS NOT FROM JESUS HIMSELF, PROBABLY THE MOST CREDIBLE VOICE OF THE BIBLE. ---- I DON'T CARE WHO WAS THE FIRST POPE (irrelevant) OR WHAT TERTULLIAN OR ATHANASUS OR MODALIST SAYS (again, irrelevant) - IN THE END, WHO DO YOU SAY JESUS IS?
BUT WHAT NOBODY IS TELLING YOU AND IS THE TRUTH IS TRINITY WAS ALSO CONDEMNED BEFORE THE THIRD CENTURY. TRADITIONS CHANGE, BUT THE CHARACTER AND THE1PERSON OF GOD NEVER CHANGES.who is the Holy One of Israel?IS JESUS LORD,THE HOLYGHOST IS LORD,AND THE JESUS IS THE LORD; THREE LORDS IN ONE LORD? i'm not trying to bamboozle you, this is what the Lord gave me. I HAVE TO REMEMBER, THAT GOD GAVE THAT TO ME, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR IT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT FOR YOURSELF. God bless you brother
so u tell me were was the trinity condemned before the 3rd century at? the bible teaches 3 distinct divine persons in the one God. 1 what(God) 3 who's (F. S, HS). Jesus appeals to the OT Law in Deu.17:6 about being a witness in John 8;17-18. HS bears witness in John 15:26 he testifies of Jesus. F, S, HS 3 witnesses also again where in scripture is Jesus called the Father, i didn't get your answer? Please forgive me if i don't reply back quickly i'm not on the computer every day. God Bless U
Mat 28:19 Jesus commands the very same Apostles who somehow interprets that to mean "in Jesus' name in Acts 2:38
1JN 3:1 The noun in this scripture is the "Father", and so speaking of the Father, you will see a series of pronouns depicting Him(The Father) v.2 "when HE shall appear" "we shall see HIM as HE is"
v.3 "even as He is pure" and v.5 "And ye know that HE was manifested to take away our sins; and in HIM is no sin."
the fact that there is only OneLord, yet trinity speaks of 3Lords
that's not answering the ? of were is he (Jesus) said to be the Father in scripture and also u didn't answer John 8;17 also in Rev. 4:3-11 it describes God the Father sitting on the Throne and Rev. 5:6-7 decribes Jesus the Lamb of God taking the book out the one that sits on the hand? Please explain! Also Jesus said that (we) Father and Son will come and make and abode in the person that loves him and keeps his comandments. And we know the HS does this also 1Cor.3;16/ 3 persons one God
i did answer this, maybe i posted it somewhere else by mistake; anyway, this picture we see here inREV 5:6-7is the same language, and same subject as would be found in Isaiah59:16-17-there is indeed no one else that can perform the deed God required,soHeHimself did it; now, how did he do it?His Word, which is an extension ofHimself into this world became a man, and died(because God cannot die)HE HIMSELF BECAME A MAN(1JN3:5)(1TIM3:16)(JN1:1,14)(HEB10:5)AND DIED FOR US,HS SHED HIS BLOOD ACTS20:28
You are not my brother. Sound doctrine is life and false doctrine leads to hell.1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Titus 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Titus 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine
the scripture speaks of departing from the faith, our (yes, I say our) faith is not merely doctrines or teachings in seperate churches. We are, as many as we is, are not perfect now, we are coming into perfection. We are being worked on, sanctified, and some more than others. The issue when Paul wrote to warn Timothy of as he became a pastor/bishop, was other doctrines that did not concern truth that would turn people from the faiith that is in Christ and His gospel.
It is written "God is a spirit, those who worship Him must Him in spirit and in truth." Oneness theology is a lie therefore you are not worshipping God. The only true and living God. If you deny any one of the of three then you deny God. Jesus said I and my Father are one. And He prayed to the Father that His people would be one with Him and the Father as well. He never ever said I am the Father, He said I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Two persons.
that is how you understand that brother, but the fact still remains, I cannot judge whether you are my brother or not because of a doctrine that does not resemble each other, we both believe that Jesus died and was buried, and on the third day rose again with ALL power in His hand
WHOEVER YOU SPOKE TO THAT SPOKE ABOUT ANGELS IS JUST AS CONFUSED AS YOU ARE ABOUT WHAT GOD IS=-----" A PERSON CAN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIMSELF" you are so right in saying this...God saw that man was alone and created a woman for him, THIS IS GOD'S REMEDY FOR HIMSELF, BECAUSE HE CANNOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIMSELF JUST AS ADAM COULDN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIMSELF
My God does not, nor ever will need a remedy for Himself, He doesn't need anyone or anything, He is complete and self sufficient in and of Himself. Why can't you see the relationships in the Godhead, even before all of creation,and before Jesus became a man. the father and the Son had a relationship John 17:5 "And now, o Father, glorify me with thine ownself with the glory I had with thee before the world began." Also John 17:24 "...for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
God made us for His good pleasure, that means to have relationship with us brings Him great pleasure (which includes the faith we have in Him) So, He did not have a pleasure to bring us about, then what was the point. He showed through Adam's life what was not good to be; that is alone. MAKE THIS CLEAR, IT IS NOT SEXUAL, IT IS INTIMATE) the reason God does not need a remedy is because he created us to fulfill His desire already; His Word is the remedy, His Word is His power, and He is never void
I have said from the beginning that there is only One God, who has and will always exist as three persons. Only one God Father,Son,Holy Ghost. Distinct in Person and office, same in essence subtstance and nature.
I pray God's grace upon you Lifeplay that someday soon you will see what 722Marine is trying to help you understand. He means you no harm or disrespect, I would say that it is because he loves you that he took the time and made this vid for you.
I present a legitimate argument. Trinitarianism derives much much later than Christ himself. Catholics brought it up in the 4th century hence you can not simply ignore this. I've given you scriptures already and i have answered your confusions, but do as you wish. Just ignore me or create another lame video saying the same thing over and over.
What's so funny is that you don't even trust in your false god for salvation, you trust in your baptism for your salvation. That's a common theme amounst heretics is that you always get it wrong when it comes to who God is and the means of salvation. Also you like to totally ignore what scriptures plainly says, also I notice most of you leave the truth for something totally false
P.S. still waiting for you to show me scripture where it says God made man in the image of God and angels.
Tertullian 212 A.D apologist and Theologian used the word "Trinity" in his writings to come against a modalist named Praxeas. Moreover the concept of the Trinity is contained in the pages of scripture Isaiah 48:16 along with plenty others , by the way the Catholic Church started in 590 A.D with the first bishop pope Gregory
So god cannot be in 2 places at once? Deut. 4:39. 3 persons means separate. Nimrod started the Trinity before the new testament. It consist of Ishtar, Horus and Nimrod.You also talk bad on Catholics. I don't understand that when they gave you the trinity Doctrine.
stonecold474 2 weeks ago
Where in the bible does it say "1 God exist as 3 persons"
stonecold474 2 weeks ago
i agree with you god said let us make man in our image he spoke within himself there was no cumminication between 3 people now to bring it home if god was talking to 2 other people why did he turn around in the next vs and create by himself col 2 vs2-9 note vs 2 and vs 9 there are several scriptures where not only did jesus claim to be equal with god but that he was god himself jh 14,7-9 jh 1,1-14 isa 43,10-12 jh 10,33 now if jesus was conceived by the holyghost how can god be th father
averi330 2 years ago
if they are three seperate persons how can this be read hebrew 1 god is a spirit in the only thing that a spirit can do with flesh is dwell in it that which is flesh is flesh god himself wraped himself in flesh in dwelt among us so as man he was or example so he would speak and act in his nature as a human yet with out sin for our example you stated that jesus was god are you confused god said he was god alone and besides him there is no god so how cn there b god father god son god holyspirit
averi330 2 years ago
show me in scripture where the word said god the father god the son and god the holyspirit and i will convert jh 17, 5 jesus jesus was getting ready to b betrayed so his prayer was glorify me with thine self because he was getting ready to pull of his nature are diety as a man and go back to spirit this is why he said with the glory i had from the beginning because god is spirit and he knew he was god himself
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averi330 2 years ago
if one god exisit as three person then that will still make jesus tio be the very god himself one god making himsdelf known or manafesting himself as two other people will STILL MAKE them GOD THE ONE GOD THE TRUE GOD JESUS IS STILL THE SAME PERSON WITH POWER TO BE WHAT HE WONTS TO BE HE SAID HE WAS GOD ALONE AND BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO OTHER IF IT IS MORE THEN ONE THEN THAT WOULD MAKE GOD A LIE ISA 43,10-12 IF JESUS BE NOT GOD HIMSELF HOW CAN HE SAVE ANYBODY PLEASE SEE ALSO JH 1 ,1-14
averi330 2 years ago
Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus?
Col 2:9
BereanSwordsman72 2 years ago
Both
722marine 2 years ago
Be careful ,you might end up Oneness with an answer like that.
Who is on the Throne in Rev 22?
Who is the First and the Last? Rev 1:11
Which term is in the Bible? Holy One or Holy Three? 1 John 5:20
Last question Who shed His Blood for the Church? Acts 20:28
BereanSwordsman72 2 years ago
I don't have to be careful because all of my answers are supported by scripture. Look to be honest I'm not interested in you right now. I've debated so many dishonest oneness folks that quite frankly I feel it would be a complete waste of my time to engage in a discussion with you on the issue. There is nothing that you can present that I have not already soundly refuted. So if your looking for a debate you won't find one here. Maybe some other time.
722marine 2 years ago
Peace kid, I did not come to debate, but too discuss ,your spirit dosen't seem right like our Lords would be If He were discussing such matters.
I only asked because you seem to know a little bit about the subject.
Check the attitude and let's reason together!!!
BereanSwordsman72 2 years ago
you need to understand Luke 9:50
get that into your spirit and meditate on that, take a look at how you are dealing with others that is stating they are not against you, I beleive with Paul in the furtherance of the gospel, not the conformity of doctrines Phil 1
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
Paul was the same way, with "his God", until Jesus was revealed to Paul as Lord, of which Paul's shemah, taught One LORD God, therefore Paul knew Him as LORD God, and that He was indeed the One LORD God and ultimately the One Father of us all---as far as me not having your Jesus. He that is wise winneth souls, you have not won me or anyone else with this spirit of yours. you are Pharisaical in your blinded zeal, that you cannot see how it is you are carrying yourself and handling the Word
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
Trinitarians have an understanding of God that does not disrupt salvation, and Oness people have an understanding that doesn't either.
ebing more Christ centered is much more powerful, holding Him in your heart as Lord, as God, and ultimately your Father is so much more helpful.
Jesus became a man for a while, but went back...you are a man here too, for a while,while we stand we are sons ofGod though it doesn't appear, but when he shall appear, we shall truly know and see
i'm prayin4u
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
Oneness theology does disrupt salvation on two fronts. First you are not worshipping God in spirit and in truth. The Lord said I am the way,the truth and the life no man comes to the Father but by me. Without truth you cannot come to the Father. No lie is of the truth. Oneness is a lie. Second you believe that you have to be baptized in order to be saved. Which is a lie as well, salvation is a gift that is freely given by faith alone, not by any one work or works period.
722marine 2 years ago
again, you cannot ascertain what it is I am in the Spirit, whether a son of God or not, that is not for you to determine,
Jesus is the way to God, and we both have Jesus, I hope. Perfection comes later, okay?
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
You don't have my Jesus. My Jesus is the Jesus of the holy scriptures who says that the Father loved Him before the world began. Not that He is the Father. My Jesus death on the cross, His burial and ressurrection secured my salvation. Where as the Jesus that you preach requires baptism to eternal life.
722marine 2 years ago
you don't know what i believe, you have an idea of what my organization beleives, but you don't have a foothold on what i beleive; i don't agree with every thing my denomination proposes.
men and brethren, what shall we do to be saved? then Peter answered, Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus, for the remission of sins, and you shall recieve theHolyGhost-what about that you don't agree with?FAITH COMES BY HEARING,AND HEARING BY THE WORD,FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
What do you mean Jesus became man for awhile. He is and forever will be fully man and fully God from now on.
722marine 2 years ago
the image He had in mind was the imageJesus portrayed,andHis likeness,butJesus had not body in eternity;only when concerning us will we seeJesus in the formHe intended.The"Word"ofGod"became flesh,and dwelt among us,and we beheld"NOT EARLIER,AND NOT AFTER,but when we he appears again in the clouds,we shall seeJesus.we agree Jesus isGod,we agreeGod isOneLORD,we agree that theLordcreated all things,that makes him progenitor of all things,Father but you cannot go that far for tradition sake,VERY SAD
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
I am a Oness Pentecostal to the core of my heart, I believe it to be true and sound, but that little piece of what I have is not saving me. It is nothing but the grace of God who overlooks my faults, and shortcomings, but proceeds to sanctify me through His Spirit. Maybe you are right, maybe you are not a brother, but that would certainly not be for me to say, don't you think?Neither can you. As Paul came againstPeter,I have to withstand the spirit by which you are coming at what you term"issue"
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
what's throwing people off, it seems like, is that they think God cannot run the universe while saving humanity. I've mentioned this before, God can answer and manifest Himself to the whole globe all at once. THE I AM THAT I AM can answer ideosyncratic prayers all over and maintain His Oness. Is there anything too hard for God? So, can He still rule heaven, manifest on earth, be baptized of John, be seen of angels, preached on in the world, and still speak out of heaven confirming His Word? YES!
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
is Jesus in actuality a Lamb? no, He is no animal. but what the Lamb symbolized in the Old Testament is what He became in order to do that which was required for our sins. He left His place in heaven and became 100% man, even though as God He was still 100% God. God can never cease being God, but God manifest in the flesh, humbled Himself and fashioned Himself as a man(flesh) and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. Only God can do that. He did it so that we can be His sons, in translation
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
so many things in the Old Testament pointed to what Jesus had to do in order to secure salvation for us. and the Old Testament also affirms that God is the only Savior as well, and beside Him there is no other. So, finally the One who is also pictured a Lamb is also the One who was the Lion. these are visual symbols of One person, just as God(a Spirit) sitting on the throne and the Lamb(Jesus) takes the scroll. God is a Spirit, can you see God? but Revelation says He sat on the throne.
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
I'M PUTTING KEITH HERE ON NOTICE: I have been responding to his derrogatory comments made about the Oness doctrine, about me, and about my salvation, and all his little weak retaliatory defamations about Oness Pentecostals' characters.TOUCH NOT HIS ANOINTED,AND DO HIS PROPHETS NO HARM.WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWING WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU,PLEASE REPENT.YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME,BUT YOU WILL NOT GO ON (AS THOUGH IT WERE IN YOUR POWER)CONDEMNING US TO HELL
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
MAT. 22:36 QUESTION WAS ASKED
MAT. 22:37 JESUS ANSWERS JESUS IS QUOTING WHAT ALL JEWS RECITE, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF SHAMAH FOUND IN DEUT. 6:4 WHICH TAKES THEM BACK TO WHO AND WHAT GOD IS? ONE LORD GOD SO, THAT BEING SAID, JEWS LIKE PAUL KNEW WHO HE WAS TALKING TO ON THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS WHEN HE SAID, "Who art thou, Lord? AND THE LORD SAID, "I am Jesus whom thou persecutest." OR EVEN THOMAS WHEN HE FINALLY SAW JESUS AFTER HIS DEATH, HE CALLED JESUS, "My Lord and my God."
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
Once again, I have been judged, and because you (athanasus) don't believe what I am saying, you have lumped me up with Modalism. Modalism confines a powerful God in a box, and sets boundaries for what God can do. In a lot of ways, this is what Trinitarians do too. God can rule the universe and keep it all together, while coming into our little world to save us (in time), and still be the Holy Spirit that He is to answer prayers, and move in the lives of all. It is sad that you minimizeGOD'S NAME
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
well tell me exactly what u believe? Is the Father, Son, HS the same person- ie Jesus??
athanasus7915 2 years ago
Jesus is the pattern by which God created man, we were always meant to be like Jesus, even pre-incarnate. Jesus is the image associated with God - he is the first born of all creation, by Him(the Word) was everything made that was made - prototokos is the Gk word firstborn, which implies that He holds the blueprint of everything fashioned by God, for example: Light, God said, Let there be light- as the word proceeded from the Father, the mission was to relay the mind of God into manifestation
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
you are very deep!! where is this mission to relay the mind of God found in the bible?? Also" we were always meant to be like Jesus, even pre-incarnate"?? even pre-incarnate where at ?? what book please??
athanasus7915 2 years ago
for some reason i can't post to this remark
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
if I have been made in the image and likeness of God, then where is my other two co-existent persons that are supposedly co-joined with my apparent-physical me (that is typing this message)?
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
Your understanding of image totally distorted. God made man good,pure, holy undefiled and with authority(Just like God) over the earth .Man was to be God's representative on earth. But because of sin humans don't reflect God like we are supposed to. But when are born again we are indwelt by God and he is restoring His image in us by purifying us,cleansing us from sin, making us holy and undefiled and giving us authority over sin and death. Plus we will reign with Him for all eternity.
722marine 2 years ago
i don't disagree with anything you just said, the image God created man was indeed pure, all i said it was fashioned and patterned after Jesus, the firstborn of every creature, look up firstborn, the Greek word, PROTOKOS, the implication is that Jesus is the blueprint for all that has been created. - i know what image means, but people confuse it with likeness, for which Adama was made in both, but lost the likeness(godliness)
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
If you agree with me why did you ask where are your other co-existent persons that are supposedly co-joined with your apparent physical body?
722marine 2 years ago
because i was looking for your answer to that? do you have three persons? or are you going to utilize the argument that we are spirit, soul, and body? which if you agree with the latter, is still and always be one person, even as God is One:Holy Spirit, the Son(physical appearance), and soul (individuality of one person, the mind, the self awareness)
you are limited in your understanding, and we all need to read our Bibles more and more each day, rightly diving the Word of truth
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
YOUR interpretations of such scripture like when Jesus was baptized is very incomplete and faulty. why did Jesus get baptized to be saved help him be a better person, did he have to get baptized?--think about that...so, if he didn't have get baptized for himself, then who did he do this for? for all them that would follow his lead, his way, the truth, the life- this is the same reason The Spirit of God descended like a dove upon Jesus, to confirm His Word, and who it was that was being confirmed
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
I never said Jesus needed to baptized to be saved or to be a better person of course not He is God, He is the LIfe. What I fight against is the false teachings presented by oneness pentecostal's is that we have to be baptized in order to be saved and that the Father speaking from heaven, the Son being baptized, and the Spirit of God descending upon the Son are all the same person. Those are heretical teachings and easily refuted. There is love and joy expressed between the Father,and the Son &HS
722marine 2 years ago
why are you fighting doctrines, when God called you to be a reconciler to Jesus through the gospel of Jesus Christ. preach the gospel, not doctrine; we are brothers, we can sort that out, and God knows all of our deficiencies of knowledge, we look through a glass darkly, we know in part, we prohesy in part, but when that which is in part is done away, then we shall know, even as we are known. --people need to hear that Jesus died for their sins, and that there is an exit strategy given by GOD
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
the bible tells us to "earnestly contend for the faith" Jude 3. If you don't have the doctrine of Christ you don't have God 2John 9. There is another Jesuus, Spirit , and gospel 2Cor. 11;4 . Oneness is ancient Modalism it was condemned in the 3rd century it must be condemned now!!!
athanasus7915 2 years ago
you are in error as to what i believe. I believe in ONE God, just like the Jews believe and still do. ONE God who by His own will does whatever He pleases to do. I'm not a modalist or one who believes in One God who method acts certain roles one at a time in order to get His will done. God is who He is and is what He is- at all times. God is One God, who speaks His Word(will), and by His own Spirit brings His Word(will) to pass, and His name is declared and revealed to be Jesus, the singularname
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
where in the bible it says that Jesus is the Father???
athanasus7915 2 years ago
teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: What is that name?
be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. So, where did Peter get the idea to baptize in Jesus name? IS NOT FROM JESUS HIMSELF, PROBABLY THE MOST CREDIBLE VOICE OF THE BIBLE. ---- I DON'T CARE WHO WAS THE FIRST POPE (irrelevant) OR WHAT TERTULLIAN OR ATHANASUS OR MODALIST SAYS (again, irrelevant) - IN THE END, WHO DO YOU SAY JESUS IS?
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
BUT WHAT NOBODY IS TELLING YOU AND IS THE TRUTH IS TRINITY WAS ALSO CONDEMNED BEFORE THE THIRD CENTURY. TRADITIONS CHANGE, BUT THE CHARACTER AND THE1PERSON OF GOD NEVER CHANGES.who is the Holy One of Israel?IS JESUS LORD,THE HOLYGHOST IS LORD,AND THE JESUS IS THE LORD; THREE LORDS IN ONE LORD? i'm not trying to bamboozle you, this is what the Lord gave me. I HAVE TO REMEMBER, THAT GOD GAVE THAT TO ME, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR IT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT FOR YOURSELF. God bless you brother
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
so u tell me were was the trinity condemned before the 3rd century at? the bible teaches 3 distinct divine persons in the one God. 1 what(God) 3 who's (F. S, HS). Jesus appeals to the OT Law in Deu.17:6 about being a witness in John 8;17-18. HS bears witness in John 15:26 he testifies of Jesus. F, S, HS 3 witnesses also again where in scripture is Jesus called the Father, i didn't get your answer? Please forgive me if i don't reply back quickly i'm not on the computer every day. God Bless U
athanasus7915 2 years ago
Mat 28:19 Jesus commands the very same Apostles who somehow interprets that to mean "in Jesus' name in Acts 2:38
1JN 3:1 The noun in this scripture is the "Father", and so speaking of the Father, you will see a series of pronouns depicting Him(The Father) v.2 "when HE shall appear" "we shall see HIM as HE is"
v.3 "even as He is pure" and v.5 "And ye know that HE was manifested to take away our sins; and in HIM is no sin."
the fact that there is only OneLord, yet trinity speaks of 3Lords
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
that's not answering the ? of were is he (Jesus) said to be the Father in scripture and also u didn't answer John 8;17 also in Rev. 4:3-11 it describes God the Father sitting on the Throne and Rev. 5:6-7 decribes Jesus the Lamb of God taking the book out the one that sits on the hand? Please explain! Also Jesus said that (we) Father and Son will come and make and abode in the person that loves him and keeps his comandments. And we know the HS does this also 1Cor.3;16/ 3 persons one God
athanasus7915 2 years ago
i did answer this, maybe i posted it somewhere else by mistake; anyway, this picture we see here inREV 5:6-7is the same language, and same subject as would be found in Isaiah59:16-17-there is indeed no one else that can perform the deed God required,soHeHimself did it; now, how did he do it?His Word, which is an extension ofHimself into this world became a man, and died(because God cannot die)HE HIMSELF BECAME A MAN(1JN3:5)(1TIM3:16)(JN1:1,14)(HEB10:5)AND DIED FOR US,HS SHED HIS BLOOD ACTS20:28
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
You are not my brother. Sound doctrine is life and false doctrine leads to hell.1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Titus 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Titus 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine
722marine 2 years ago
who is not your brother?
the scripture speaks of departing from the faith, our (yes, I say our) faith is not merely doctrines or teachings in seperate churches. We are, as many as we is, are not perfect now, we are coming into perfection. We are being worked on, sanctified, and some more than others. The issue when Paul wrote to warn Timothy of as he became a pastor/bishop, was other doctrines that did not concern truth that would turn people from the faiith that is in Christ and His gospel.
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
It is written "God is a spirit, those who worship Him must Him in spirit and in truth." Oneness theology is a lie therefore you are not worshipping God. The only true and living God. If you deny any one of the of three then you deny God. Jesus said I and my Father are one. And He prayed to the Father that His people would be one with Him and the Father as well. He never ever said I am the Father, He said I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Two persons.
722marine 2 years ago
that is how you understand that brother, but the fact still remains, I cannot judge whether you are my brother or not because of a doctrine that does not resemble each other, we both believe that Jesus died and was buried, and on the third day rose again with ALL power in His hand
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
WHOEVER YOU SPOKE TO THAT SPOKE ABOUT ANGELS IS JUST AS CONFUSED AS YOU ARE ABOUT WHAT GOD IS=-----" A PERSON CAN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIMSELF" you are so right in saying this...God saw that man was alone and created a woman for him, THIS IS GOD'S REMEDY FOR HIMSELF, BECAUSE HE CANNOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIMSELF JUST AS ADAM COULDN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIMSELF
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
My God does not, nor ever will need a remedy for Himself, He doesn't need anyone or anything, He is complete and self sufficient in and of Himself. Why can't you see the relationships in the Godhead, even before all of creation,and before Jesus became a man. the father and the Son had a relationship John 17:5 "And now, o Father, glorify me with thine ownself with the glory I had with thee before the world began." Also John 17:24 "...for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
722marine 2 years ago
God made us for His good pleasure, that means to have relationship with us brings Him great pleasure (which includes the faith we have in Him) So, He did not have a pleasure to bring us about, then what was the point. He showed through Adam's life what was not good to be; that is alone. MAKE THIS CLEAR, IT IS NOT SEXUAL, IT IS INTIMATE) the reason God does not need a remedy is because he created us to fulfill His desire already; His Word is the remedy, His Word is His power, and He is never void
LSPNUEMA 2 years ago
Hey there is either 3 gods or one god either way you twist or turn it you either beleve in 1 or 3 gods
spshepau 2 years ago
I have said from the beginning that there is only One God, who has and will always exist as three persons. Only one God Father,Son,Holy Ghost. Distinct in Person and office, same in essence subtstance and nature.
722marine 2 years ago
I pray God's grace upon you Lifeplay that someday soon you will see what 722Marine is trying to help you understand. He means you no harm or disrespect, I would say that it is because he loves you that he took the time and made this vid for you.
God bless you LP
Inga4020 2 years ago
I present a legitimate argument. Trinitarianism derives much much later than Christ himself. Catholics brought it up in the 4th century hence you can not simply ignore this. I've given you scriptures already and i have answered your confusions, but do as you wish. Just ignore me or create another lame video saying the same thing over and over.
Lifeplay 2 years ago
What's so funny is that you don't even trust in your false god for salvation, you trust in your baptism for your salvation. That's a common theme amounst heretics is that you always get it wrong when it comes to who God is and the means of salvation. Also you like to totally ignore what scriptures plainly says, also I notice most of you leave the truth for something totally false
P.S. still waiting for you to show me scripture where it says God made man in the image of God and angels.
722marine 2 years ago
Tertullian 212 A.D apologist and Theologian used the word "Trinity" in his writings to come against a modalist named Praxeas. Moreover the concept of the Trinity is contained in the pages of scripture Isaiah 48:16 along with plenty others , by the way the Catholic Church started in 590 A.D with the first bishop pope Gregory
athanasus7915 2 years ago
3 "person" = 3 deity= polytheism
1 "entity" = 1 God = strict monotheism
Lifeplay 2 years ago
if you beieve this....then you sir are unlearned
chriscox1121 2 years ago