Tim Grover's A.T.T.A.C.K. Athletics Training Center

[IplayCodwitharock]

Hehehe I play with Tim grover's Nephew in basketball he smacks 3s like its nothing

and i have him playing for my tournment thing were doing in this group =)

[ajlepisto]

@kev0luti0n That's not true. The travel is after your pivot foot comes back down to the ground. Otherwise, as written, simply jumping after you establish a pivot would be traveling.

Use a little common sense. If you say the rule is that you can't lift your pivot foot, you can't shoot a jump shot after picking up your dribble.

It's a travel when it comes back down to the ground, which is why people say you get "2.5" steps...because you get a lift after 2 steps.

[shine2345]

not just a travel...travel and half....cant reestablish a new pivot for all u morons that dont play ball, or never in college...lol

[thebestballer32]

Check out jake blum

[jump12man]

Even in fiba it's not a travel guys tin Grover works with d rose cram

[Akronsfinest21]

Wagner was never in the d league he's makin a comeback this next season

[MrPatto35]

the move itself is not a travel. a couple of times some players travel by sliding their pivot foot but thats the only travels in there

[selck6]

you can not do this last move in europe, u get whistle but in u.s u can see at least one travel like this in any nba games

[josephtenthousand]

travelllllll.

[eneerggreene]

@1egreene

[gatman1995]

@SamuraiSwoosh but if you have to lift your pivot on non-pivot foot at the same time, otherwise its clearly 3 steps

[jayyummx]

My player mode.

[shine2345]

NEGATIVE, U GUYS WOULD BE SUPRISED, WHEN CERTAIN COACHES SEE SOMETHING A REFEREE HASNT CALLED, THEY THINK ITS LEGIT, UNTIL ANOTHER ONES SHINES THEM ON. iVE PLAYED COLLEGE AND PRO, AND OFFICIATE, AND COACH DIII...THAT IS A TRAVEL AUTOMATICALLY, AND I HAVE SEEN PLAYERS WHO THINK ITS NOT BEFORE THIS FILM. THIS MOVE ALLOWS 2 PIVOT FEET TO BE ESTABLISHED. ONCE 1 FOOT IS CHOSEN ANOTHER CANNOT BE. ALSO KEEP IN MIND, 90 PERCENT OF BBASKETBALL TRAINSERS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTWORK

[ajlepisto]

@shine2345 If you actually played "pro" as you say, you would know the rule. It's a really basic rule, and tons of moves and post moves depend on it.

[shine2345]

@ajlepisto jst check how many times its called for a travel against it not being one, that will answer ur question

[ajlepisto]

@shine2345

1. I didn't have a question. Unlike you, I actually DID play professional basketball overseas and have played against NBA summer league players myself.

2. Read the rulebook. There's no point insisting your opinion is right if the rulebook clearly says it's not.

3. Refer to points 1, and 2. And stop being a poser.

[shine2345]

@ajlepisto GET A LIFE DUDE ITS A TRAVEL, IF YOU PLAYED "AT THAT LEVEL" YOU WOULD KNOW THAT-PEACE

[ajlepisto]

Pretty sure MJ's trainer would know what was a travel and what wasn't.

Youtube fools.

[shine2345]

@ajlepisto u wud think but apparantly not

[brianfilipac]

WHERE IS DAJUAN WAGNER NOW?? STILL TRYNA GET BACK 2 D LEAGUE?? SUM TELL ME PLS!!!

[greatwytehyte]

It's funny how bill walker dunks it every time and the rest of them lay it up

[gGpno]

NOT TRAVELING,everybody else should learn about the game first and then post

[RhythmNSilk]

Not a travel. People are always talking about pivot foot this, pivot foot that. What few people seem to know is that the pivot foot is allowed to leave the ground PROVIDED THAT IT IS NOT REESTABLISHED ON THE GROUND before you get rid of the ball.

From NCAA rules:

Art. 4.

After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:

The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

[emil23j]

Lol yeah travel by FIBA standards. By NBA standards I would say no travel.

[richaadd]

i was going to comment and say that all you whiners are wrong about travelling until i saw the video.

it IS a travel because his pivot foot does not leave the floor first. because his pivot foot is the last foot to leave the floor it IS a travel.

that's what the pivot foot is for, it has to be the first foot to step off from. if the player were to jump with both feet off the ground at the same time, it's not, but he takes an extra step.

[rajvosa07]

haha...last part...cleaaaaan travel...haha!fire the coaches!

[cmurphtheman]

its not a travel morons!!! they don't pick up the pivot foot after it is set... totally legal folks. I use this move all of the time.

[diamantis10]

This is travel in Europe!

[JakeMckenzie88]

its not a travel you fuckin idiots...read SamuraiSwoosh comment, i used that move in highschool all the time and was never called for a travel.

[larryhughes322008]

Dajuan Wagner is my Cousin by marriage. No bull shit. I'll post up pics soon

[theonetrueking24]

man i want to play with a real nba basketball.

[NBAfan1993]

@theonetrueking24 order one online wtf?

[theonetrueking24]

@NBAfan1993 yeah it was a joke a year ago and im not gonna spend 100 dollars on a basketball.

[NBAfan1993]

@theonetrueking24 ok your choice i thought you really wanted one.

[Brain320]

This is ultra-travel, I don't care how many times they re-write the rules this is still a travel and I don't even see the use of allowing that sh1t....

[KillaBeastCali]

This was never "technically" legal before in the rules books by they rewrote it this year so that this is officially allowed now. Look it up on wiki or watevs, I'm not bullshitting u

[thenextprototype]

can we get a professional referee to tell us whether this is a travel or not cause i really want to know

[theyavsak1]

its a absolutely travel but in nba anything is free u can even walk with the ball ....lol :D that's why european players are better than americans maybe they are not athletic but they play basketball more clear . but one thing i love in america its important to improve your self but in europe everything is for team

[tehMGSerer]

LOL europe player better than american players?! Where the fuck are you at?! Remember team USA..?

[krzychomistrz]

its a travel hands down...

i saw moves like this when i saw Lopez brothers training video for bigmen

this is somehow allowed in NBA becouse its a great move for highlight dunk

[retroballer]

what are you taking about, they lift their pivot into a step, not a jump shot or pass

[4005duke]

Absolutely a travel. Anyone who has any knowledge knows this, they just will not call it in the NBA, which is why they are learning it.

[jarkid]

This is not a travel.

[jarkid]

If you caught the ball without moving, and you set the pivot foot, you can't move from the pivot foot. If you do, that would be a travel.

but If you dribbled the ball, and you stopped and put the ball on the hands, you can move from the pivot foot, and jump off another foot before your pivot foot fell to the ground again !

This is what I think. And that is a new rule from 2004.

[feuervogel1984]

it's not a travel ... they lift the pivot foot, which is allowed ... it would be a travel once it touches the ground again.

[azmaster1000]

lol

[MrKorto23]

tilley014 do you even know what a "pivot foot " means? idiot. americans and their rules. crab dribbles and runing with the ball like you play rugby

[YoungTdatruth93]

LOL The guy to the far far left in the beginning looks like derrick fisher :D

[zfense]

That last move looks like a travel If anyone as successfully argued that move in the playground let me know because I think you would have to leave the ground both feet at the same time. I know coaches that used to teach that move with the step through It just looks odd.

[kwebulicious]

it looks like a travel but if u watch them when they do it right its about when they pick up the ball and close it down with 2 hands thats when u start counting steps

[tilley014]

all of you that think those are travles are either blind or just stupid and need to learn the game of basketball

[T0mmyPL]

ain't that last excersise a travel ?

[MrKorto23]

is this a joke? travel

[stfub100]

hey theres oj majo in there too

[kenwonobi]

Rules Smoozles. Would be called in the NBA by the current refs unless Kobe does it or Lebron.

[rivers369]

A travel! Absolutely!

They jump off their left pivot foot "before" their right foot returning to the ground!

if their right foot return to the ground before jumping off the pivot foot,that's a legal move!

[kenwonobi]

Its a travel and will be called if they try to use this in a game. I would like to see one of them do it but only Kobe Bryant or Lebron James could get away with that move. IMO.

[ksk0516ksk]

study the rule, kid

[DW3Southpaw]

the move isn't a travel but they are lifting their pivot foot before leaving the ground, which would be a travel if strictly called but would never get called unless they were playing in a jr. high girls game

[muminas]

How you can know what they practice?? It is changin direction and leyup. Nice workout by the way

[hancockcorey]

this is ballin

[Whtballa]

I like how most people complain on youtube about travels when they could be working hard like the kids on this video or down at the playgrounds.

[JUnit2382]

That's a blatant travel even in the NBA where most walking is allowed. No way they would get away with that in a game.

[lilamyks]

Bottom line is that it's a travel.

Unless you are driving, both feet must come off the ground at the same time after taking two steps.

[Netburner23]

its not a travel cuz ur establishing a foot you can swing thru with they woodnt teach if it was a travel

[kev0luti0n]

Even when you are driving, you're only taking two steps. You always step first with the off-pivot foot then the pivot foot follows and is the last to come off the ground. So if you were to do a right-handed layup, you would gather -- then right step -- left step -- layup. I've never seen someone go left - right - left - layup. Try it next time you get a chance to play and you'll notice it's two steps.

[15zg]

yo if anybody wants to jump higher, send me a message on my account and ill send u a vertical leap program

[Boudosaved]

is the bald guy Mike Procopio?

[soflyderrick]

everyone who commented on this i bet doent even play

[Soundtrack1000]

gooddd

[skillz70]

the pivot is one step, your right, its the first... the step through is the second... legit move

[lilamyks]

Correct, they are clearing taking two steps....

BUT, if they pivot, then both feet must come off at the SAME TIME. And it is a pivot since right at 5:07 to 5:08 he takes two steps, each with his right foot. That's a pivot. (The problem is the left foot is coming off the ground before the right foot is.)

[fmcneillii]

yea two steps are legal just like when begin to pick up the dribble to shoot a pull-up, two steps, however big or small are necessary. its the same steps allowed in dunking after picking up the dribble and wen establishing a pivot after dribbling....some ppl dnt seem to understand dat

[kev0luti0n]

The step through is actually the third step because after they come to a stop the pivot foot is the left foot. Then, they make another step towards the basket, but they LIFT their left foot (initiating a third step). So, what they were doing is changing their pivot foot to the right foot by doing the step through, and the rules state you cannot do this.

[fmcneillii]

it not a travel until that left foot hits the ground again some one taught you the rules wrong perhaps idk, but its not a travel

[mightyfedepxress]

"up with both his pivo and non-pivot foot coming off at the same time"

the bottom line in deciding a travel.

in the drill, they lift their pivot foot (left foot) as they attempt a left-handed lay up. But this is traveling b/c they have already taken two steps before that as they make their pump fake.

[tpac08]

Travel... the only league that might let that slide every now and then is the NBA, but then again the NBA has never been good at enforcing traveling rules. And to get a pass you usually have to be a Lebron or Wade level player.

[skillz70]

tried to correct some errors, but for some reason i couldnt lol ull have to all enjoy my retarded mistakes (",)

[lafunut]

the last drill is a travel, not matter wut league... the pivot foot changes lmao

[deejaykay2345]

the last drill is not a travel. if they came to a jump stop, then they couldnt pick up there pivot foot and would have to jump off two feet instead of one.

[jaimebando]

Lifting the pivot foot alone does not constitute a travel; a player may pass or shoot. It is a travel once the foot is returned to the floor, or if a dribble is started again. in the video, the player stopped the dribble with his right foot forward, and left foot as pivot. he stepped towards the basket using his right foot, thereby maintaining his pivot foot (left foot) then lifted the pivot foot when he jumped for a lay-up. VERY LEGAL.

[Burgz15]

people

its the last drill, its just for footwork

yes its a travel but thats besides the point

[warlokoh2]

it is a travel but the point is not that they want to learn a traveling move. they are practicing that last drill for foot work. i train for basketball and if you've ever practiced that last drill they're doing, it required good footwork and it develops coordination and leg power

[pinop456]

Euro Step is What it's called

[MaEs44]

Thats not a travel according to the rules but a lot of refs cal it especially in hs and college in Europe, where I come from it is legal and taught in practice.

to learn more about indiviual skill development from Eurpoe and the US

MeBasketball(dot)blogspot(dot)­com

[1bounce234]

(Referring to the last basketball drill they did) Once a pivot foot is established you can only bring it off the ground to jump.

Its a travel if you bring it off the ground and then step through with your other foot to get your jumpshot or jump pass off.

But, you can't step through like that, once a pivot foor is established.

[nbaboy91]

yea wagner he a gud player tryna get his career back

[willlkh]

why they practised that travel move?

[23VINCE24]

in euro ball thts a travel..

but in the nba i dnt think it is

.. jus my opinion from what i've seen around

that will get called in euro ball

[pctucsondv]

not a travel......these are pros, yall are chumps

[xela21383]

yea for sure it a travel

[dksaechao]

not a travel.

[pleslie2]

very legal move yall.. im more concerned that yall see this as a travel some of u guys should watch the video more closely or try the move on ur own b4 sayin its not legal

[Araujo4MVP]

lol obviously a travel..they set with their left foot on the pump foot and then take another step with the right on the way to the rim

[iAmstAnLEy123abc]

IT's obviously not a travel, you can pick up your pivot foot at anytime as long as you dont put it back down or dribble. It's the same concept as a layup. It's legal guys do it all the time.

[jptinderfiddles]

no im pretty sure u have to shoot or pass the ball if u pick up your pivot foot...you definitely aren't allowed to take an extra step after you pick up your pivot foot which is what they were doing

[iAmstAnLEy123abc]

I understand where you are coming from, it's a very common misconception, but in this video they dribble to the top of the key where they establish their pivot foot (The left foot), meaning that their right foot is free so they step towards the basket with their right foot and pick up their left foot to shoot. You are allowed to pick up your pivot foot only if you shoot or pass before you place it back down and they shoot the ball.

[crobers78]

This is not traveling because when they reach the corner post area they land on both feet and have not established a pivot foot yet so they make the right foot their pivot foot and take two steps to the whole which is not traveling, step your game up folks.

[kev0luti0n]

You can't pivot, then take two steps. Your pivot foot counts as one step.

[dynastyISlife]

y r they practicing a move that is going to be called a travel everytime lol

[PROJECTTROJANWARRIOR]

JAUNNY IS THE SMOOTHEST,...by far

[magicguy159]

i love basketball...btw comment my magic videos...

[piemuo88]

4:27 obviously travelling

[mankillz22]

no... he slid meaning he cudnt stop then he moved his MOVING footand kept his pivot foot in place until he layed it in and still the pivot foot was in the air

[thechampishere1914]

damn.. dajuan wagner needs to get back on his game. i wish that dude the best..

[bri888]

really depends on the referee but they do this often in the euro leagues......this was like Vujacic's go to move before

[timbalandmvp03]

actually, you are allowed to lift your pivot foot as long as long as you shoot or pass before it comes back down, that is the usual ruling in say high school. However, in the nba they say you have a 1-2 count with your steps after you pick up the ball they dont definitively define travelling more than that according to the nba director of officials Ronnie Nunn

[steaminpeeman]

thought abt that aswell ecco, the weird thing is that some referees do allow that kind of move even though the player let go of the pivit foot. I've heard that it's ok if you do a clear jump stop but they doesnt do that in this vid. I mean, why should that move be allowed when a slow going lay-up is travelling?

[richskin20]

is that mr. 100 Dajuan Wagner at that work out i hope he gets back in the nba

[felonious83]

yeah, best of luck to dajuan. he could have been an all-star by now if he hadn't gotten sick.

[erikfilipaz]

U right man! If he was alright he could hav been 1 of the greatest players in da league!

'One more road to cross'

[jpainter424]

with all that wagner has had to go through he is a true inspiration. most people would just quit but he keeps trying. idk how you could not pull for this kid

[dftheking]

which is d wade the guy in the dark or the guy in the white and red

[WaltFrazier]

Why is Tim Grover doing basketball drills? He started out as a conditioning trainer for Michael Jordan. Weights and so on. Since when does he teach basketball skills rather than conditioning?

[chitownmo]

He has been doing this for years. He had to adapt in order to better serve his elite clientele. Many elite trainers do both skill and athletic training.

[hoopsdocter]

he played college ball whilst studying kineisiology(not sure how to spell it. he wrote his thesis on how certain types of strength training can improve basketball performance,

[illastrate1]

Can't believe D. Wagner's still at it, but he's only 25, so more power to him.

[apsofij]

CDR looks to have a unique quickness here that I think will play interestingly at the next level.

Walker clearly has amazing athleticism but he looks slightly uncomfortable going into his jumper.

[apsofij]

Alright guys, have you played officiated basketball? This is not a travel. Yes, it's very similar to a pure post up and under. You get to jump off the non pivot foot. As long as you are jumping it's not a change of pivot feet since the jumping foot is not truly stationary and therefore not a pivot foot. Get it? Changing or shuffling the pivot foot is a travel. This is neither of those.

[robbiemo10]

That is a travel for sure, they are switching pivot foots!!

[DaJunkie]

CDr is the Best..he is so underrated

[Midnytman]

Does Dajaun Wagner hit every damn shot in that first drill??? He can to find his way back in the league on someones roster for some scoring punch off the bench.

[sdtopballa]

lol i can understand why u think its a travel, i used to think it was. but you are allowed to come off of your pivot foot to pass and to shoot, but not to dribble.

[ecco81too]

people here are real stupid...since when are u allowed to lift up your pivot foot...once you have planted and established your pivot foot, the only time you can lift it up is if you lift your opposite foot as well, in other words you must jump before you pass or shoot it...the way they are executing the drill is most certainly a travel...

[ecco81too]

the up and under drill at the end is definitely a travel...

[iamerection39]

These are big time professionals with their rep at stake, why would they be teaching travelling moves???? Just to show how much dumbasses there are among so called basketball fans.

[Frank87]

because it is a massive travel.

[BeallsFinest]

thats not a travel- up and under, taught at every level

[kenneyishuang]

certainly look like travels... i thought they were supposed to jump off two feet at the same time?? might not be a travel in the nba but they're def. picking up their pivot foot

[ecco81too]

you are correct kenney...you can only lift your pivot foot too jump - either jumping only off your pivot foot or off both feet...i am confused as to how people can't see the move being deomnstrated in the video is a travel...

[wilcox24]

an up and under move is very similar to what they're doing, but they lift their pivot foot (left foot) off the ground before they jump, so they do travel. In the NBA (which differs from college and high school), you can move your pivot foot BEFORE you start your dribble, if you're going to dribble or pass.

[Frank87]

Definitely is a travel, picks up his pivot foot before he jumps.

[FastChoice]

OJ LOOKS VERY NICE IN THIS DRILLS!

[pharmecistfan]

they all have such a perfect form

[iown2computers]

because its an american trainer showing them how to get used to the american game

[floppaganda]

Why is he teaching them to travel?

[kobemj]

exactely lol!!! why??!!

[fatty4ksu]

Bill Looks great!

[wadecounty7]

Was that D.Wade in the background in the red shorts? That definitely looked like him practicing his fadeaway.

[Midan]

Good eye. That was definitely Dwayne Wade working out in the background as Jonathan Givony confirmed it in his article on draftexpress.

[wadecounty7]

Yeah after reading the article I was hoping to catch him in the video. I could tell it was him because of the body motion on the fadeaway, but was hoping to see a closeup (almost got one at the end of the video)... he needs to lose a few pounds and get back down to the weight he was at when they won it all in '06.

[cizz13]

Awesome footage. OJ Mayo looked to be the smoothest and most comfortable doing the drills out of all of them. Walker looks to be a better shape. Interesting how he was dunking on that last drill while everyone else went for a layup. I guess it shows how Walker is at a different level athletically than the rest.