AMD fanatics! Get over it....i7-2600k will ALWAYS perform better in heavy threaded apps and ALWAYS much better in games that are very CPU dependant. All this, while consuming way less power. AMD it´s a no go!
I would like to see a head ot head comparison in REAL WORLD benchmark's. between sandy bridge and the new FX 8 core. Not just the synthetic crap. I'm betting bulldozer may garner a bit more respect.
@lamiac2411 I would like to see a head to head comparison in REAL WORLD benchmark's. between a Porsche 911 and the new Reliant Robin. Not just the synthetic crap. I'm betting the Reliant Robin may garner a bit more respect
This vid perfectly pictures this...There's a new "2 Billion transistors" and it's struggling with older "1 Billion transistor". "2Billion Transistors" does win a bit over "1B transistor" in few benchmarks but while "1B transistor" is $70 cheaper and requires half of electrity... why should I go with 2B transistors??? the bigger question is why should i choose "netburst" again???
Now, let's see you try to argue that Hardware Heaven's benches weren't GPU-limited. Come on...please? :) Remember...we're focusing on *minimum* numbers here, as those tell us whether or not the game can maintain a certain framerate stably. We're waiting...your explanation, please? By the way, did you ever find that "BIOS update resolves poor Bulldozer performance" article that was published somewhere online?
@TsuruugiRevamped Oh, my fault...I misinterpreted. Thanks for your honesty regarding AMD. Hopefully they'll pull a rabbit out of a hat and turn things around (if not, Intel has little reason to release Ivy Bridge on schedule [not that those of us using Sandy really need to upgrade for any reason for the next couple years...I'm perfectly content with 2500k until I start dropping below 60fps]).
@TheKootas ...if your purchase is primarily for gaming and other tasks that use less than four threads, I'd strongly think twice about that purchase. Even a lowest-end Sandy Bridge dual-core is superior to most PII quads...
@TheKootas I recommend the two processors below (depending on whether you're looking at dual or quad [you don't need six cores for anything, unless you primarily use your PC for video editing...IPC is king, period, for PC users]):
anandtech/bench/Product/406?vs=203 ($65 Sandy Bridge G620 vs. 1100t...note the gaming benchmarks)
anandtech/bench/Product/289?vs=203 (i3 2100 vs. 1100t...superior gaming performance, much less money)
@TheKootas ...those two are actually both dual-core (and cheap), but I believe that the latter has hyperthreading. Honestly, I really recommend just ponying up and splurging on the 2500k [$210-$220]...you'll unlikely need to upgrade for five or more years (as opposed to buying a cheaper dual-core), and it's hands-down the best gaming CPU on the market (even better than 2600k, since hyperthreading interferes with games that use four threads or less [99% of games on the market]).
"but Windows 8 will make a *huge* difference, idiot" no...it won't. It's been predicted that Windows 8 will increase 8150's performance by 4-8%, according to the many published articles thath I've read. If that's inaccurate, find a published source that, on record, states that the chip will *definitively* (make sure a detailed explanation is included, and make sure that it's not Hardware Heaven, as they're partial [biased] to AMD) make a bigger difference (you need +50% IPC to = 2500k...).
"but we're talking about the future"...no, this chip was released in "the present." It wasn't released in three years (when it will be a full 100% behind Intel in performance [notably IPC]). Even when running octal-threaded tasks, it barely surpasses 2500k. Even in "the future," it will continue to fail to come anywhere near 2500k when running quad-threaded or lower tasks (again, virtually everything that any PC user utlizes, including 99% of all games, current and near-term future).
Huh? "umadbro?" Anyway, no...I just loathe fanboys and very much enjoy putting them out in the cold (with Bulldozer) where they belong. My advice to all: man up, face reality, and find a way to cope that doesn't involve unproven bullshit theories (started by other AMD fanboys)...or go home. Again, we all wanted AMD to "tie" 2500k with this this chip, but for all tasks requiring four threads or less (99% of anything a PC can do), it simply didn't happen. Deal with it. :)
"...but it's "the future" that AMD had been planning on, and that's when this chip will shine"... :) No; with any luck, AMD will match the 2500k in three years with a different chip (that actually performs as planned). Face reality.
...and let's try to avoid "but we're talking about octal-threaded programs, here...who cares about tasks that use four or less threads concurrently"... :)
If anyone requires further explanation of Hardware Heaven's gaming "benchmarks," and how they mean absolutely nothing in terms of testing the CPUs that they'd claimed to be testing in the "review" (again, because they ran the tests at max. settings with a 6950) take a look at the comments I made in response to another (less ardent) fanboy (days before this dude came along) at the Hitler Bulldozer parody (just search for "Hitler Bulldozer"...it's priceless)
Anyway, guys...I simply wanted to make a point here. If you've lost, just get out of the game (or join the winning team). Don't sit around and bullshit. :)
Well, until I see published benchmarks that show me a difference between before and after performance, I guess I'll have to consider this "debate" concluded. Back to the video (sorry, its creator)...hilarious!
Let this be a lesson...don't make statements you can't back up with evidence. Don't do it...or you'll end up looking like this dude (desperate, deceptive, dismissive, and just all around "done"). Someone...anyone. Find me a published article, written by any major hardward reviewer, that plainly provides before and after benchmarks showing us that a BIOS update resolved this chip's multiple woes, and, in fact, finally allowed it to compete with 2500k. Anyone? Again..."published."
@Fran0neal no, there's no argument...there's a fanboy making baseless claims (which he can't verify with evidence). Again...not much of an argument. Hurt fanboy, basless claims, no evidence...the usual, I guess.
@Fran0neal ...and I am here solely in the interest of consumers (anti-fanboys; alternatively, we could label fanboys as "anti-consumers," since advocating the use of inferior products simply out of devotion to its developer is "anti-consumer"). I suggest you read back through the comments...it was rather hilarious (I asked for his source at least twenty times...but alas, didn't get one...).
@Fran0neal ...I mean, since everyone online is publishing articles about how much of a failure Bulldozer is, wouldn't you think that something like solving the problem with a simple BIOS update would be something that someone other than this dude would be discussing professionally? Perhaps our friend here is unaware of the fact that AMD's shareholders are dropping off en masse (as we speak), which they *might* not be doing had AMD resolved the issue with something as trivial as a BIOS update.
...ultimately, though, I simply despise and cannot respect fanboys of any type ("fanboy" being someone who rallies ardently [almost always employing dishonesty, baseless comments, etc.] for something in spite of all evidence pointing to the contrary). I wanted AMD to be competitive again (as did we all), because a lack of competition in the high-end chip market is bad for everyone (this is a fairly simple concept, one would think...guess this dude can't grasp it...).
@unwittingnemesis agree with you on the compeition thingy..., it's important to keep the cpu manufacturers in developing an even better and more efficient technology. I'm no fanboy of intel / amd. I always buy what I think is the best.
@Fran0neal yes, absolutely. Because AMD fucked up so badly, we're all going to suffer...not just AMD's fanboys. Perfectly stated: "I always buy what I think is the best." I buy what is the best "value." HAD AMD priced this chip significantly below 2500k, they wouldn't have added insult to injury. $150 for this chip? Possibly worth the money (but probably not, since it's still below an 1100t with 99% of tasks that PCs run). $100-125, and you've got a solid value proposition.
@unwittingnemesis Hmm.., I see your other comments in the other video on how hardwareheaven made their error in benchmarking the FX 8150. I did read somewhere that CPU benchmark should be done in a low resolution to give more stress to the CPU cuz' on low resolution the CPU tends to work more than the GPU...,
@Fran0neal yup...I challenged the other guy (Hitler video) to e-mail HH and ask them for graphs of the CPU usage during their "CPU gaming benchmarks;" I wonder if he tried, and whether or not he got a response :). As I said there, if you plan on running your games at the limits of your (crappy) GPU, then yes, both chips will provide the same fps so long as the CPU isn't hitting 100%. The problem here is that gamers that are buying high-end CPUs are typically using more than one mid-end GPU...
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ...so, apparently, you're such an avid, experienced gamer that you failed to recognize that Hardware Heaven (apparently intentionally) GPU-limited the games while testing, so as to avoid pushing any CPU in the test to their limits (thus, the benchmarks mean nothing, except to show us what a single 6950 can do...thanks, HH!). Also, I don't see where this link shows me that a BIOS update drastically improved this chip's performance. Could you help me find that section?
@IAmSomeoneOrOther no...I didn't forget. I realized that your comment was bullshit and asked you to prove it by providing us with a published document. Why don't you just go ahead and do that, and end the suspense.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther if you honestly couldn't realize that their benchmarks were entirely GPU-limited, then you simply aren't experienced enough a gamer to even be talking about "BIOS updates fixing CPUs" (which is actually just a story that was made up to appease Bulldozer).
If you couldn't realize that then you simply aren't experienced enough (or smart enough) with computers to be talking about "Bulldozer sucks" and "BIOS updates fix CPUs" (which was never said, what was said however was that a prototype BIOS can make a processor not perform like it should).
@IAmSomeoneOrOther hmmm...still not seeing any published source stating that a BIOS update fixed your CPU. Oh, nothing can be entirely GPU-limited. Interesting, but ridiculous. I can GPU-limit anything I want with one 6950 (unless it was published five years ago). Your published BIOS source, please.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ...there was never a conversation, here. There was a desperate fanboy attempting to create stories to cover the fact that his chip can't compete with Intel. You failed to provide a source showing us all benchmarks showing that your chip was significantly improved by a BIOS update, and it's sort of funny that no one else online (nor AMD's shareholders) are interested in discussing it...only AMD fanboys. Why is that? :) Audios, friendo...
@unwittingnemesis I really hate people like you who don't like to give thought to things.
Oh, and if the chip can't compete with Intel, how did it do so with the Hardware Heaven benchmarks?
Oh wait, I'm dragging on the conversation with a retarded Intel stockholder who is too god damn arrogant to actually look at the links I'm providing and hides behind his hidden channel.
@faakz I wouldn't bother...this guy is either delusional or simply unable to cope with the reality of the situation. Let him find out over time during his gaming misadventures (frequently dropping below 60fps). :)
You must be a flat out retard, since you think that any AMD processor (which, since you said that games are GPU limited in general, contradicts that thought) can't get over 60 FPS in games.
@unwittingnemesis and this is another thing I'm having a hard time understanding who gives a damn, if your below 60fps unless your retarded and your brain is slow your not going to care and even at that point shouldn't care. Unless your dropping below 30fps then you need to start caring.
@Inthepastxx "After 30 fps you have more frames than you need to fool the brain; however, while people can't see the individual frames past 24-30 fps, if you keep increasing the frame rate, people report that the motion appears more fluid and lifelike. This effect has been found up to about 60 fps, where people will report totally fluid motion. "
@unwittingnemesis I strongly have to disagree with your statement. AMD's new processors are rocking hard.
They perform better in almost all cases compared to intel. As well render things a hell of a lot better which amd has always done. On top of maxing games our and reaching a great fps level without dropping off now.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ..well, since you can't prove your BIOS update comment, and have failed miserably to defend whatever point it was that you were trying to make, let me leave you with this...it obviously sucks to be you, and good luck maintaining 60fps... :) Until another day, my friend...I'll come back in a few weeks and see if you've found that published article (have people that know something about PC hardware [and aren't simply bullshitting around] to talk to).
@unwittingnemesis So you don't find it odd Bulldozer got a performance boost recently with a BIOS update to the CrossHair V, and before the BIOS update it performed better on other board?
Oh, and the point I was trying to make was that Bulldozer performs better on 75% of different boards.
Which it did.
So, I was able to prove my point.
While your point of "Bulldozer sucks" hasn't been proven.
Pro-tip: Saying a processor sucks has to apply to all platforms, while saying it is good doesn't.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ...I find it odd that your delusions continue (as you can't seem to provide evidence of your claims, we'll have to simply assume that they're delusions). Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that something is very wrong with your brain...so I'm just going to step out of your delusion and let you believe whatever you want, unencumbered by the evidence I've provided that clearly proves that you're, well, out of luck. Good luck with your chip, mi amigo...
...does anyone else here get the impression that "IMakeFalseClaims" doesn't have evidence with which to prove his argument? Hard to take him seriously, then, isn't it...
Guys, let me sum this up for you: this chip is worse than the previous generation, and fanboys are losers. Does that help at all? Be a fanboy of consumers (and PC users [especially gamers])...not companies that can't deliver on their promises. Man up, and own the reality of the situation.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther "ignorance" is making a claim with nothing to assert it (which I don't do). Your source ("BIOS fix resolves AMD's apparent failure"), please.
By the way I showed this Vid to a friend of mines he loves AMD and he was steamed!! He was on his bike I drove by with my car and said "Is that bike powered by AMD? I yelled Intel inside!" and drove off LMAO!
p.s. according to anand, your Dirt 3 comment is complete nonsense (no surprise there). There are no games on the market...again, no games...that run better on the SUX-8150 than on a 2500k (at any speed stock and up). If I'm wrong, tell me which game, and provide your source (your personal guarantee doesn't work for me). :)
Well, I was going to provide you with a direct link to anand's comparison between the 2500k and your SUX-8150, but unfortunately, youtube thinks that I shouldn't be allowed to ("error, try again")...and for good reason!
"...but future games will use eight cores, and then Bulldozer will rule!" No. It's not a true eight-core processor, and your fps are still going to be well below a 2500k, even if Windows suddenly recognizes Bulldozer as an "eight core" CPU. Trust me (I wish it weren't true; we need competition in the industry).
...oh, let me respond for you. "Windows 8"...nope. That's not going to help. "Well, why does fps matter when you're over 100 anyway?" Sure...as you put it, "the future" (forgetting the fact that I know that Bulldozer can't run many current [and even older] games at 60fps steadily [Anand's benchmarks spell it out]). A game that runs at 60fps on a 2500k will run at 40fps on your Bulldozer. A mock "eight core" design isn't going to change this fact...period.
@zokCraft and when do you exactly need that SLOW but STRONG CPU? And what "STRONG" in CPU world even means? Intel still do more IPC, so how is that weak? Please tell us more!
AMD had too many things going on at one time. New CPU architecture, graphic card development, and then there's the whole APU thing. They need to recover and fast.
@21boxhead First, I've built systems with processors from both companies so I'm not a "fanboy". Second, they didn't fuck "us" over they fucked themselves over by bringing that piece of shit to market. Third, if you pulled your dick out of your mouth once in a while maybe you could think with the right head.
@warsmith40k they fucked us over overrated piece of shit FX lol what a fucking joke and yes also fucked themselves over as well and last fuck you eat dick.
There's nothing to be happy about with the failure of BD. This just means that Intel corners the market, and can drive prices wherever they want. AMD failing = bad for everyone. I'm still really interested in seeing how the quads perform.
AMD is too much ahead of the software. The software is absolutely not optimized for multi-threading, let alone module architecture, and in the future GPGPU.
The FX is the CPU for tommorows software, the Intel procs for todays software.
In Soviet Russia, a bulldozer is you.
bargavr 1 month ago
lol lol lol lol lol
DoomAndBass 1 month ago
lmao funny ass shit i have a amd fx 6100 work better then i5
calical26 1 month ago
lol
buzz9961 1 month ago
Is it new FX 6100 ?
Goodgame788 1 month ago
@Goodgame788 fx 6100 is better then the i5 and some of the i 7 and benchmark
calical26 1 month ago
LMAO
7cavpopshot 1 month ago
that´s awsome :)
robrik31 2 months ago
ha ha ha, are u serious lol :)
MyDelldelldell 2 months ago
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MyDelldelldell 2 months ago
AMD fanatics! Get over it....i7-2600k will ALWAYS perform better in heavy threaded apps and ALWAYS much better in games that are very CPU dependant. All this, while consuming way less power. AMD it´s a no go!
rcarkk 2 months ago
That was funny, yet I will not give up to phenom x6 :))))
finalfan17 2 months ago
I would like to see a head ot head comparison in REAL WORLD benchmark's. between sandy bridge and the new FX 8 core. Not just the synthetic crap. I'm betting bulldozer may garner a bit more respect.
lamiac2411 3 months ago
@lamiac2411 I would like to see a head to head comparison in REAL WORLD benchmark's. between a Porsche 911 and the new Reliant Robin. Not just the synthetic crap. I'm betting the Reliant Robin may garner a bit more respect
xlonewolf807x 2 months ago
slow but works xD
luk4s195 3 months ago 24
hardocp/article/2011/11/03/amd_fx8150_multigpu_gameplay_performance_review/1
This review accurately reveals the limitations of Bulldozer...I suggest you give it a read (if you're literate).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
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unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
in soviet russia... ah whatever.
vaajpiens 3 months ago 18
This vid perfectly pictures this...There's a new "2 Billion transistors" and it's struggling with older "1 Billion transistor". "2Billion Transistors" does win a bit over "1B transistor" in few benchmarks but while "1B transistor" is $70 cheaper and requires half of electrity... why should I go with 2B transistors??? the bigger question is why should i choose "netburst" again???
BTW... AMD still made the coolest GPU on market!
clarinervium 3 months ago
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good point
Key1u 3 months ago
Feeding trolls is so fun.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
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hardocp/article/2011/11/03/amd_fx8150_multigpu_gameplay_performance_review/1
Now, let's see you try to argue that Hardware Heaven's benches weren't GPU-limited. Come on...please? :) Remember...we're focusing on *minimum* numbers here, as those tell us whether or not the game can maintain a certain framerate stably. We're waiting...your explanation, please? By the way, did you ever find that "BIOS update resolves poor Bulldozer performance" article that was published somewhere online?
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
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unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
i7 at truth Benchmarks
StevensiTX 3 months ago
rather intel Atom vs. Tagra 2
StevensiTX 3 months ago
Ha ha! Nice! =)
GamerAndReviewer 3 months ago
xbitlabs/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-975-950_7.html#sect0
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@TsuruugiRevamped Oh, my fault...I misinterpreted. Thanks for your honesty regarding AMD. Hopefully they'll pull a rabbit out of a hat and turn things around (if not, Intel has little reason to release Ivy Bridge on schedule [not that those of us using Sandy really need to upgrade for any reason for the next couple years...I'm perfectly content with 2500k until I start dropping below 60fps]).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
i'm actually planing to buy AMD PII soon
:]
TheKootas 3 months ago
@TheKootas ...if your purchase is primarily for gaming and other tasks that use less than four threads, I'd strongly think twice about that purchase. Even a lowest-end Sandy Bridge dual-core is superior to most PII quads...
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis
i'll def think about it
thx
TheKootas 3 months ago
@TheKootas I recommend the two processors below (depending on whether you're looking at dual or quad [you don't need six cores for anything, unless you primarily use your PC for video editing...IPC is king, period, for PC users]):
anandtech/bench/Product/406?vs=203 ($65 Sandy Bridge G620 vs. 1100t...note the gaming benchmarks)
anandtech/bench/Product/289?vs=203 (i3 2100 vs. 1100t...superior gaming performance, much less money)
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@TheKootas ...those two are actually both dual-core (and cheap), but I believe that the latter has hyperthreading. Honestly, I really recommend just ponying up and splurging on the 2500k [$210-$220]...you'll unlikely need to upgrade for five or more years (as opposed to buying a cheaper dual-core), and it's hands-down the best gaming CPU on the market (even better than 2600k, since hyperthreading interferes with games that use four threads or less [99% of games on the market]).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
anandtech/bench/Product/288?vs=203
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unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
"but Windows 8 will make a *huge* difference, idiot" no...it won't. It's been predicted that Windows 8 will increase 8150's performance by 4-8%, according to the many published articles thath I've read. If that's inaccurate, find a published source that, on record, states that the chip will *definitively* (make sure a detailed explanation is included, and make sure that it's not Hardware Heaven, as they're partial [biased] to AMD) make a bigger difference (you need +50% IPC to = 2500k...).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
"but we're talking about the future"...no, this chip was released in "the present." It wasn't released in three years (when it will be a full 100% behind Intel in performance [notably IPC]). Even when running octal-threaded tasks, it barely surpasses 2500k. Even in "the future," it will continue to fail to come anywhere near 2500k when running quad-threaded or lower tasks (again, virtually everything that any PC user utlizes, including 99% of all games, current and near-term future).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
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Huh? "umadbro?" Anyway, no...I just loathe fanboys and very much enjoy putting them out in the cold (with Bulldozer) where they belong. My advice to all: man up, face reality, and find a way to cope that doesn't involve unproven bullshit theories (started by other AMD fanboys)...or go home. Again, we all wanted AMD to "tie" 2500k with this this chip, but for all tasks requiring four threads or less (99% of anything a PC can do), it simply didn't happen. Deal with it. :)
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
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unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
...allow me to predict the "retort:" "umadbro?" :)
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
"...but it's "the future" that AMD had been planning on, and that's when this chip will shine"... :) No; with any luck, AMD will match the 2500k in three years with a different chip (that actually performs as planned). Face reality.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
...and let's try to avoid "but we're talking about octal-threaded programs, here...who cares about tasks that use four or less threads concurrently"... :)
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unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
Here...hope this helps you to further understand what *actually* caused the lackluster performance (add ".com").
extremetech/computing/100583-analyzing-bulldozers-scaling-single-thread-performance
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
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If anyone requires further explanation of Hardware Heaven's gaming "benchmarks," and how they mean absolutely nothing in terms of testing the CPUs that they'd claimed to be testing in the "review" (again, because they ran the tests at max. settings with a 6950) take a look at the comments I made in response to another (less ardent) fanboy (days before this dude came along) at the Hitler Bulldozer parody (just search for "Hitler Bulldozer"...it's priceless)
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Anyway, guys...I simply wanted to make a point here. If you've lost, just get out of the game (or join the winning team). Don't sit around and bullshit. :)
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
Well, until I see published benchmarks that show me a difference between before and after performance, I guess I'll have to consider this "debate" concluded. Back to the video (sorry, its creator)...hilarious!
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
Let this be a lesson...don't make statements you can't back up with evidence. Don't do it...or you'll end up looking like this dude (desperate, deceptive, dismissive, and just all around "done"). Someone...anyone. Find me a published article, written by any major hardward reviewer, that plainly provides before and after benchmarks showing us that a BIOS update resolved this chip's multiple woes, and, in fact, finally allowed it to compete with 2500k. Anyone? Again..."published."
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
LOL:) open this page and I loled at the video and the 2 people arguing with each other....
Fran0neal 3 months ago
@Fran0neal no, there's no argument...there's a fanboy making baseless claims (which he can't verify with evidence). Again...not much of an argument. Hurt fanboy, basless claims, no evidence...the usual, I guess.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@Fran0neal ...and I am here solely in the interest of consumers (anti-fanboys; alternatively, we could label fanboys as "anti-consumers," since advocating the use of inferior products simply out of devotion to its developer is "anti-consumer"). I suggest you read back through the comments...it was rather hilarious (I asked for his source at least twenty times...but alas, didn't get one...).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
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@Fran0neal ...I mean, since everyone online is publishing articles about how much of a failure Bulldozer is, wouldn't you think that something like solving the problem with a simple BIOS update would be something that someone other than this dude would be discussing professionally? Perhaps our friend here is unaware of the fact that AMD's shareholders are dropping off en masse (as we speak), which they *might* not be doing had AMD resolved the issue with something as trivial as a BIOS update.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
...ultimately, though, I simply despise and cannot respect fanboys of any type ("fanboy" being someone who rallies ardently [almost always employing dishonesty, baseless comments, etc.] for something in spite of all evidence pointing to the contrary). I wanted AMD to be competitive again (as did we all), because a lack of competition in the high-end chip market is bad for everyone (this is a fairly simple concept, one would think...guess this dude can't grasp it...).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis agree with you on the compeition thingy..., it's important to keep the cpu manufacturers in developing an even better and more efficient technology. I'm no fanboy of intel / amd. I always buy what I think is the best.
Fran0neal 3 months ago
@Fran0neal yes, absolutely. Because AMD fucked up so badly, we're all going to suffer...not just AMD's fanboys. Perfectly stated: "I always buy what I think is the best." I buy what is the best "value." HAD AMD priced this chip significantly below 2500k, they wouldn't have added insult to injury. $150 for this chip? Possibly worth the money (but probably not, since it's still below an 1100t with 99% of tasks that PCs run). $100-125, and you've got a solid value proposition.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis Hmm.., I see your other comments in the other video on how hardwareheaven made their error in benchmarking the FX 8150. I did read somewhere that CPU benchmark should be done in a low resolution to give more stress to the CPU cuz' on low resolution the CPU tends to work more than the GPU...,
Correct me if I'm mistaken... ^_^
Fran0neal 3 months ago
@Fran0neal yup...I challenged the other guy (Hitler video) to e-mail HH and ask them for graphs of the CPU usage during their "CPU gaming benchmarks;" I wonder if he tried, and whether or not he got a response :). As I said there, if you plan on running your games at the limits of your (crappy) GPU, then yes, both chips will provide the same fps so long as the CPU isn't hitting 100%. The problem here is that gamers that are buying high-end CPUs are typically using more than one mid-end GPU...
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
Adios, amigos...I shall return.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
your published source, please (with benchmarks, preferably)
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis So you haven't searched at all?
Oh, and:
hardwareheaven . com/reviews/1285/pg12/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-total-war-shogun-2 . html
pclab . pl/art47038 . html
Compare the two.
Oh, and remember the second one is the one with the CrossHair V.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ...so, apparently, you're such an avid, experienced gamer that you failed to recognize that Hardware Heaven (apparently intentionally) GPU-limited the games while testing, so as to avoid pushing any CPU in the test to their limits (thus, the benchmarks mean nothing, except to show us what a single 6950 can do...thanks, HH!). Also, I don't see where this link shows me that a BIOS update drastically improved this chip's performance. Could you help me find that section?
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis Apparently you forgot that the motherboards were different, which means a different BIOS, which got better performance.
Oh, and even with GPU limited games the FX-8150 was apparently less of a Bottleneck to the 6950 than the i7 2600k.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther no...I didn't forget. I realized that your comment was bullshit and asked you to prove it by providing us with a published document. Why don't you just go ahead and do that, and end the suspense.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther if you honestly couldn't realize that their benchmarks were entirely GPU-limited, then you simply aren't experienced enough a gamer to even be talking about "BIOS updates fixing CPUs" (which is actually just a story that was made up to appease Bulldozer).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis *facepalm*
NOTHING is entirely GPU limited.
NOTHING.
ZIP.
ZERO.
If you couldn't realize that then you simply aren't experienced enough (or smart enough) with computers to be talking about "Bulldozer sucks" and "BIOS updates fix CPUs" (which was never said, what was said however was that a prototype BIOS can make a processor not perform like it should).
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther hmmm...still not seeing any published source stating that a BIOS update fixed your CPU. Oh, nothing can be entirely GPU-limited. Interesting, but ridiculous. I can GPU-limit anything I want with one 6950 (unless it was published five years ago). Your published BIOS source, please.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis If you still aren't smart enough to look at early benchmarks and compare then to current ones, then this conversation is over.
Oh, and the OS still has to process some of your bullshit "GPU limited program" on the processor.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ...there was never a conversation, here. There was a desperate fanboy attempting to create stories to cover the fact that his chip can't compete with Intel. You failed to provide a source showing us all benchmarks showing that your chip was significantly improved by a BIOS update, and it's sort of funny that no one else online (nor AMD's shareholders) are interested in discussing it...only AMD fanboys. Why is that? :) Audios, friendo...
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis I really hate people like you who don't like to give thought to things.
Oh, and if the chip can't compete with Intel, how did it do so with the Hardware Heaven benchmarks?
Oh wait, I'm dragging on the conversation with a retarded Intel stockholder who is too god damn arrogant to actually look at the links I'm providing and hides behind his hidden channel.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther Nope, people are fleering cos bulldozer can`t compete with it`s predecessors. And amd fanboys are peeing hot for that reason.
faakz 3 months ago
@faakz If Bulldozer can't compete with its predecessors, then Intel can't compete with Bulldozer's predecessors.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@faakz I wouldn't bother...this guy is either delusional or simply unable to cope with the reality of the situation. Let him find out over time during his gaming misadventures (frequently dropping below 60fps). :)
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis Thats it.
You must be a flat out retard, since you think that any AMD processor (which, since you said that games are GPU limited in general, contradicts that thought) can't get over 60 FPS in games.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis and this is another thing I'm having a hard time understanding who gives a damn, if your below 60fps unless your retarded and your brain is slow your not going to care and even at that point shouldn't care. Unless your dropping below 30fps then you need to start caring.
Inthepastxx 3 months ago
@Inthepastxx Oh, OK; thanks for clearing that up.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@Inthepastxx "After 30 fps you have more frames than you need to fool the brain; however, while people can't see the individual frames past 24-30 fps, if you keep increasing the frame rate, people report that the motion appears more fluid and lifelike. This effect has been found up to about 60 fps, where people will report totally fluid motion. "
kingdomdom1 1 month ago
@unwittingnemesis I strongly have to disagree with your statement. AMD's new processors are rocking hard.
They perform better in almost all cases compared to intel. As well render things a hell of a lot better which amd has always done. On top of maxing games our and reaching a great fps level without dropping off now.
I'll have to say intel needs to start worrying.
Inthepastxx 3 months ago
@Inthepastxx Oh, OK; thanks for clearing that up (same response replies to your other comment).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis Oh, and what about USB 3.0, SATA, and PCIe benchmarking is entirely GPU limited?
Or are you just that stupid?
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ..well, since you can't prove your BIOS update comment, and have failed miserably to defend whatever point it was that you were trying to make, let me leave you with this...it obviously sucks to be you, and good luck maintaining 60fps... :) Until another day, my friend...I'll come back in a few weeks and see if you've found that published article (have people that know something about PC hardware [and aren't simply bullshitting around] to talk to).
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis So you don't find it odd Bulldozer got a performance boost recently with a BIOS update to the CrossHair V, and before the BIOS update it performed better on other board?
Oh, and the point I was trying to make was that Bulldozer performs better on 75% of different boards.
Which it did.
So, I was able to prove my point.
While your point of "Bulldozer sucks" hasn't been proven.
Pro-tip: Saying a processor sucks has to apply to all platforms, while saying it is good doesn't.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther ...I find it odd that your delusions continue (as you can't seem to provide evidence of your claims, we'll have to simply assume that they're delusions). Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that something is very wrong with your brain...so I'm just going to step out of your delusion and let you believe whatever you want, unencumbered by the evidence I've provided that clearly proves that you're, well, out of luck. Good luck with your chip, mi amigo...
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis What evidence?
You didn't provide links that prove your right, while I did.
Oh, and I didn't buy a Bulldozer processor.
Nice assumption though (not).
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
article, artucle...whatever you like
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
Tell us why there are no articles, anwhere online, telling us that AMD fixed the problem with a BIOS update. We're waiting.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
...does anyone else here get the impression that "IMakeFalseClaims" doesn't have evidence with which to prove his argument? Hard to take him seriously, then, isn't it...
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis "IMakeFalseClaims"?
Well done indeed.
Since you can't seem to do research yourself.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
Guys, let me sum this up for you: this chip is worse than the previous generation, and fanboys are losers. Does that help at all? Be a fanboy of consumers (and PC users [especially gamers])...not companies that can't deliver on their promises. Man up, and own the reality of the situation.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
@unwittingnemesis Uh.
No.
Look for Benchmarks with different motherboards.
As I said before.
And stop hiding behind your wall if ignorance.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 3 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther "ignorance" is making a claim with nothing to assert it (which I don't do). Your source ("BIOS fix resolves AMD's apparent failure"), please.
unwittingnemesis 3 months ago
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAA
deathmachine2250 4 months ago
пхаха:DD
sanyarock 4 months ago
By the way I showed this Vid to a friend of mines he loves AMD and he was steamed!! He was on his bike I drove by with my car and said "Is that bike powered by AMD? I yelled Intel inside!" and drove off LMAO!
Vargas1349 4 months ago
oh, pardon...-"speed," + "processing ability." There...perfect.
unwittingnemesis 4 months ago
p.s. according to anand, your Dirt 3 comment is complete nonsense (no surprise there). There are no games on the market...again, no games...that run better on the SUX-8150 than on a 2500k (at any speed stock and up). If I'm wrong, tell me which game, and provide your source (your personal guarantee doesn't work for me). :)
unwittingnemesis 4 months ago
Well, I was going to provide you with a direct link to anand's comparison between the 2500k and your SUX-8150, but unfortunately, youtube thinks that I shouldn't be allowed to ("error, try again")...and for good reason!
unwittingnemesis 4 months ago
lol
armchaam116 4 months ago
"...but future games will use eight cores, and then Bulldozer will rule!" No. It's not a true eight-core processor, and your fps are still going to be well below a 2500k, even if Windows suddenly recognizes Bulldozer as an "eight core" CPU. Trust me (I wish it weren't true; we need competition in the industry).
unwittingnemesis 4 months ago
...oh, let me respond for you. "Windows 8"...nope. That's not going to help. "Well, why does fps matter when you're over 100 anyway?" Sure...as you put it, "the future" (forgetting the fact that I know that Bulldozer can't run many current [and even older] games at 60fps steadily [Anand's benchmarks spell it out]). A game that runs at 60fps on a 2500k will run at 40fps on your Bulldozer. A mock "eight core" design isn't going to change this fact...period.
unwittingnemesis 4 months ago
awww...go liddle brudder!
Tonkotsu2k10 4 months ago
hes making it go faster with the arm. GENIUS!
Tonkotsu2k10 4 months ago
aww, how cute, look at him pushing himself with his little arm.
atersky 4 months ago
lol
Sneakpreview60311 4 months ago
AMD A failed , Intel The Best
John66088 4 months ago
In soviet russia, your live sucked, lets be honest here.
JymzJameson 4 months ago
How quickly we forget that Intel has had its failures as well. Ignorant fanboys are ignorant....on both sides.
statikreg 4 months ago
stupid video and stupid uploader
Hondakolik1 4 months ago
I lol even now. LOL
nemtastic 4 months ago
FX 8150 = 0815
AMD = Every Year Shit
MrTeeTime86 4 months ago
joke or not, i hope you all know how does bulldozer look like, definately not like this, lol
Amhro 4 months ago
shit video. bulldozer rulez
vprmn 4 months ago
Epic lmao
ottis83 4 months ago
In Soviet Russia, - fuck this.
TheTako400 4 months ago
hahaha I rofl'd
Orvtrebor 4 months ago
gotta love it
Aloeus595 4 months ago
LOL, what happens if he goes down hill?
WiriamuN 4 months ago
@WiriamuN he probably still has brakes
JymzJameson 4 months ago
It's performance benchmark:D
frape3 4 months ago
in soviet russia, we don't use engine
nickkeim90 4 months ago 34
@nickkeim90 technically, not. the arm is moving because the engine is on.
julianbautista87 4 months ago
tons of power slow in performance.
ramfery23 4 months ago
hahaha....this is f-ing priceless. What the f--- is that dude doing?
p.s. Bulldozer (AMD) is garbage. :)
unwittingnemesis 4 months ago
ahusasssssuashuahusahushuahushuas
duduklxe 4 months ago
hahaha XD!!!
TheAmelia29 4 months ago
Intels anti AMD provisions kill intel itself.
StevensiTX 4 months ago
the guy who drove that is probably so stoned..
Neuropraxic 4 months ago
Hehe,funny... But the new bulldozer is still awesome.Here is the true performance /watch?v=8rDwXuAINJk&feature=player_embedded#!
Thats AMD's new Bulldozer!
PsycoHaze 4 months ago
is turbo on???
zabadaja 4 months ago 2
Intel = 6 Tigers
Amd = 8 Little Cats
migoffspring 4 months ago
Sad.. but true :(
Rauno315 4 months ago in playlist Liked
lol this video is so true, AMD=FAIL
sculptfx 4 months ago
Lmao so true but still a fan boi to amd nothing changed intel still to rich for my blood
deadouge58 4 months ago
Its not a Bulldozer, its a Backhoe, but the joke is still funny.
175myles 4 months ago
fail (unless they can produce that processor for 200 dollars)
julianbautista87 4 months ago
faildozer
julianbautista87 4 months ago
AMD = Slow but Strong.
Intel = Fast but Weak.
zokCraft 4 months ago
@zokCraft and when do you exactly need that SLOW but STRONG CPU? And what "STRONG" in CPU world even means? Intel still do more IPC, so how is that weak? Please tell us more!
Baisulis84 4 months ago
ha ha ha amd CATERPILAR ..... haha..
MAMALAKIS76 4 months ago
hahhahaah xD
chasanb 4 months ago
AMD had too many things going on at one time. New CPU architecture, graphic card development, and then there's the whole APU thing. They need to recover and fast.
warsmith40k 4 months ago
@warsmith40k Whatever fanboy they fucks us over
21boxhead 4 months ago
@21boxhead First, I've built systems with processors from both companies so I'm not a "fanboy". Second, they didn't fuck "us" over they fucked themselves over by bringing that piece of shit to market. Third, if you pulled your dick out of your mouth once in a while maybe you could think with the right head.
warsmith40k 4 months ago
@warsmith40k they fucked us over overrated piece of shit FX lol what a fucking joke and yes also fucked themselves over as well and last fuck you eat dick.
21boxhead 4 months ago
@21boxhead Repeating an insult back with far less eloquence...go troll someone in your own league.
warsmith40k 4 months ago
@warsmith40k yeah OK whatever faggot fuck you eat dick
21boxhead 4 months ago
@21boxhead Keep going, prove how stupid you are.
warsmith40k 4 months ago
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@warsmith40k YOU LIKING IT LIKE A BIG NIGGER DICK IN YOUR ASS
21boxhead 4 months ago
DIDNT LIVE UP TO THE HYPE
21boxhead 4 months ago
Yeah. We will see how funny this is when we start getting $500 Intel ATOM CPUs. Because they can. The consumers have no choice.
SuperDevastetor 4 months ago
There's nothing to be happy about with the failure of BD. This just means that Intel corners the market, and can drive prices wherever they want. AMD failing = bad for everyone. I'm still really interested in seeing how the quads perform.
Droogie128 4 months ago
LOL, that´s still faster than a sandy bridge x)
mr4wkw4rd 4 months ago
Fail... Find a BD, then put it in a video.
savagex805 4 months ago
I guess INTEL can relax and celebrate now.
21boxhead 4 months ago
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StevensiTX 4 months ago
AMD is too much ahead of the software. The software is absolutely not optimized for multi-threading, let alone module architecture, and in the future GPGPU.
The FX is the CPU for tommorows software, the Intel procs for todays software.
bartjebeltegoed 4 months ago
@bartjebeltegoed that comment is full of brain farting shit.
21boxhead 4 months ago
hàhàhàhàhà my tourtle runs more faster than this bulldozer LOL
MrOvercloker 4 months ago
yes...its like AMD
Drakho2000 4 months ago
LOL, that was great! I'm getting one if they ever get more stock. But, that's one hillarious video... lighten-up people
dthirlwell 4 months ago
best AMD Metaphor ive seen
21boxhead 4 months ago
@21boxhead Agreed
AsianPerson3 4 months ago
AMD FAILDOZER
3dkiller 4 months ago 3
H@H@H@H@H@
TheBaxter96 4 months ago 6
hahaha
johndarrell 4 months ago
:o ohh they meant that kind of bulldozer
IntelCartel 4 months ago
LMAO
Haswellarc 4 months ago
its bad enough to not show the cpu but to make matters worse thats not even a damn bulldozer! -_________-
SOxxLegit 4 months ago 3