Let's all be clear about one simple point. The british nation commited active and intentional Genocide against the Boers. History show us that very point very clearly.
I want England to apologize for this atrocity that was commited against our people, against my forefathers and mothers.
@imperialGlory 1920. YOU GO AND GO FU..K YOURE queen elizabeth in the ass you cu.t but fuc..er!!! KOM PRETORIA TU DAN BLIKSEM EK DIE ROOK UIT JOU UIT JOU ENGELSE GEMORS!!!!!.....go figger that out you dumb britt!!!!!!
I always think of satan trying to tempt Jesus by telling Jesus he(satan) would give Jesus all the governments of the world if he would worship him. Looks like satan certainly has had them to give.
@killaafrikaner go f*UK your self you ignorant bastard you have no idea of your country's crimes how can you say some thing like that then i might just say as well go Germans for the Jews you kill us and you have no humanity but i hope one day we will kill all of you
@MrDoos69 Oh and your people kicking blacks from their land is ok? You pretty much have all of their land and your asking for more?! Scums! I would kill you my self,but The blacks will do it for me. Kill all Brits? Good luck with that. Farmers and pitch forks vs Soldiers with guns,tanks,ships,planes ect...... You'll be fucked in a blink of an eye!
The Cape-Dutch (and the British[Milner etc] ) both worked on destroying the Boer identity and started calling themselves and the Boers Afrikaners.
The reason was twofold, one as Milner wrote "the Boers will never be won in another war, the only way to get rid of them is to destroy their identity"
The other reason was the Cape-Dutch who wanted the Boer's inheritance for themselves, and to hide the fact that they were just as much to blame for the murder of the Boer children as the British.
@theunisccloete ..(CONT).. Anders as dit stem ek saam met jou 100%, die engelse het metodies proebeer om ons geskiedenis en erfenis af te breek, uit te vee.
Net soos vandag nog gedoen word deur die ANC en baie ander groepe die wereld oor. Ons word elke dag uit mekaar gedryf deur groepe wat ons will uit wis.
Verdeeltyd word gesaai deur mense wat se of jy is Afrikaner of jy is Boer en daar is te min van ons WARE Volks Mense oor om teen mekaar te baklei, en tog baklei ons.
There were more soldiers in South Africa than the boer population, and still no victory... then they started to use the consentrationcamps. Of the 300 000 boer population, almost 40 000 died in the camps. Britain newspapers claimed 40 000 ded was a majour succes... I saw the pictures... I fear, that the past will come one day to haunt Britain for what they have done, not only to South Africa, but all the other countries that they took to fill their pockets with bloodmoney...
people comparing the nazis and british obviously dont know anything lol, the brits used the camps inorder to stop the civilans resupplying the boer commandos, they were just like the soviet internment camps after ww2. The nazi's used there camps inorder to do mass exterminations. 27,927 died in the british camps, 6 million in the nazi's... slight difference.
@guyslade Oh and most of them died to diesease, just like over half the british army deaths, so it wasnt due to willfull neglect, the majority of them died the same way the british army did, because our medicine wasnt enough to help them because they wernt prepared to deal with the abundence of disease.
@guyslade @ TheMightOfTheEnglish basically, you're right. The word concentration camp means many people concentrate on a space. It doesn´t matter if killing 100 or 1000 people. It was a war for resources behind that war stood a British mining company.
@guyslade If 6 million Afrikaners had died that would mean that the entire Afrikaner people would have been wiped out many times over. Yes it is a huge difference in the number of people dead but if you look at the size of the population of both people you can see how 27927 people dying was a massive blow.
@slagathor54 our population is now about 3 million and our people are still getting mudred every day it is almost 1000 this year alone there is currently a genocide against the Boervolk and nobody take note
@guyslade 28 000 exterminated out of a population of little over 250 000 is genocide you imbasil. But I guess you are a Brit or atleast a British supporter who would like to justify these kinds of actions.
@SteenkampG actually i am a brit i wrote a study on the first and second boer war for my history uni course, though you could of figured out i was a brit by just clicking my profile and forgoing the needless comment
@guyslade The British caused up to 65% of the Boer children in the camps to die. Of a small nation, of 100,000 people, 25% perished. It is no use to lol at the terrible suffering of the children. see AMAZON: BRITISH TERRORISM AGAINST BOER CIVILIANS: how Britian destroyed the two Boer Republics by starving civilians in concentration camps. They used heavy artillery against civilians. Bin Laden destroyed only two towers...
@Kokoda144 dont get confused over concentration and death camps....hitler contolled both the british done this to drive the boers from hiding...yes its cruelty but spanish invented it
@MajBlood how does winning a war make it right. killing civilians is never right. if a invating army came in to your country and took you away from your home and put you into a concentration camp then staved you. then they won the war, would that be right? would you feel you had been treated humainly? war doesnt take into account who is right or wrong, war takes honor and morales and puts them into a blender. infact you even sacraficed 2 australian troops fighting for you army as scape goats.
@Kokoda144 You got me all wrong. Have you ever heard the expression "history is written by the victors"? What the British did was wrong, but there was noone else against them and they crushed the boers, there is a bias against the Germans, since the majority of the worlds powers were against them.
@Kokoda144 No you misunderstand me again. English cannot be your native language. What I mean to say is, when a country wins a war, as is the case with Britain, they tend to write the history, they usually have they support and influence of and on the other great powers of the world and they just get the better deal. I am not saying it is right.
@Kokoda144, The British, and the U.S. later learned to dorect the blame for similar atrocities toward others. The Spanish did the same thing in Cuba about the same time tyo put down the Secong Cuban rebellion against the Spanish Crown. The American Media was happy to report about that one with gusto for sure since the U.S. always had wanted to drive Spain the last European Power from the continent.
@lithopoonwit shut up britians a great nation our comonwelths had all the rights we had a lot of countries came into the modern world because of us if you ask a lot of older jamacans if thay prefered us rulling them a lot of them would say yes and we were the first country to have dimocracy
And remember the Boers did not have an official army at the time. So it was the English against civilians and children. Apparently they did the same in India and Australia.
It is also known that "versetters" attitude attributed to the uncontrolable health conditions. "'n Boer vrou sal veel eerder steft as om te leef onder die Engelse" A known propaganda stated that crushed glass and fish hooks were added to the Camp food - these alegations have been removed from the boer memorial in Bloemfontein......I wonder why?
The Britons lost nearly as many to disease as the Boers....oh and they weren't even subjected to genocide in concentration camps....and if the Boer cause was so just...why did 5000 boers (NOT Cape Afrikaaners!!!) fight on the side of the British? Oh...and so by the way 20% deaths amongst children does not equate to 50%. STOP exagerating to keep fueling your hatred. Keep to the facts. The British unequiped to deal with their own deaths to disease as well as those in Camps.
A most regretable war most certainly. Britain guilty of genocide....hardly!!! Remember that the Boers invaded the colonies. Kruger refused any rights to the Uitlanders...bleeding them with taxes...refusing them voting rights until they had stayed 14 years..refusing them english national schools (though they paid taxes)...dominating mining trade with Kruger held monopolies. The Calvanist views of Boers was tantamount to a religous struggle...against these "godelose" uitlanders.
ek sal engels praat sodat almal kan verstaan-unarmed english soldiers were allways released-one of them admitted that de wet captured him 14 times during the anglo boer war
I think people like you view these things through 21st century eyes , these camps were no camps like what the germans had in ww2 which were designed to work prisoners to death or eliminate them alltogether ,, these were internment camps,similar to what the americans had for the japanese in ww2 , of cause it was terrible what happend ,, desease is a terrible thing when it breaks out , which it did here in these camps , more british were killed through desease themselves than through fighting
@TheMightOfTheEnglish you would do well to remember the term "concentration camp" originated from the Boer War - funny how they the used the term for the nazi camps - perhaps the similarities! as usual the brits will deny everything! prick!!
@SIGNAL75 well prick if you knew the history you would know the difference between the internent camps in south africa , and the nazi death camps , they were called concentration camps ,because of the amount of people concentrated in one place , thats all , i said that before but seems your to dim to see the diffference , concentration camps in nazi germany ,the purpose of which was to either work people to death or murder them,
@SIGNAL75 british camps were put together , with no proper sanitation ,or facilities , once desease broke out what happen next was a tragedy , and as i said before more british died through desease than fighting , it was a british women who brought the tragedy to the attention to parliament .who had no idea what conditions were like , i see your from the uk , if you dont like it piss off back to south africa
@TheMightOfTheEnglish unfortunately I have a british passport and my parents are british so i;ll stay here as long as want just to piss big headed pretentious twats like you god forbid anyone who doesnt agree with your view!!
@thaeragc what you on about unfortunately , people like you who knock this country make most of us sick ,
when most peple have a go at us , they talk of us as a whole , not just government policy and politicians , that means you to , all of us , my parents generation was the best this country ever had , when people insult us, for things centuries ago i take offence , the concentration camps during the boer ,war were not the same as nazi death camps,you know that
Don't compare the English concentration camps in the Boer War to the American WW2 internment camps--they were not "similar". Japanese camps, and even the German POW camps in the U.S. had nothing close to the kind of death rates of the Boer camps. Indeed, the Japanese (who were actually U.S. citizens) and the German POWs were well fed and well treated.
Your name says it all--you want to defend the English side, but your arguments are starting to sound desperate.
@Sepemini im comparing them in the fact they were internment camps , not nazi death camps ,were the sole aim was to kill a whole race , it was 40 odd years previous to ww2 , and the camps were less than adequete .of course , desease broke out and the deaths were terrible , we to had internment camps in ww2 on the isle of man ,which were more like a holiday camp ,many more british troops died through desease than at the hands of the boers
@Sepemini you americans cant talk mate , look it up 1945 , americans herded over quarter of a million german pows ,or even more into a field before the surrender , the geneva convention says pows sould be sheltered ,fed and looked after , they may not of ment to , but through neglect , and lack of food and shelter . 10s of thousands of german pows died , through american neglect
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Seems that you're the one doing most of the talking "mate"---I merely responded to your ridiculous comparison of the U.S. civilian internment camps to what the Brits did to the Boer civilians at the turn of the century. I wasn't aware of the German WWll pow's---if that is true, it was a terrible thing and shouldn't have happened. I won't make excuses for it, so you stop with all the BS excuses as to why the Brits starved many thousands of Boer women and children.
@Sepemini my name has nothing to do with anything , it was chosen to get up the noses of republican irish scum, not as a right wing statement ,, it was general sherman who came up with the phrase "the final solution" when trying to exterminate the native americans , i wont even go into your civil rights abuses of blacks right up to the mis 60s ,
if we were nazis we would of killed boers families were they stood , just like you did at wounded knee
Yeah, yeah, argue with a Yank by bringing up the Native Americans--good move. Our treatment of the American Indians and what . . .the British and their mistreatment of just about everyone else on the planet? Keep dreaming about your dead empire.
Perhaps you should watch the video again and try and stick to the subject. Your even being here to try and defend your country's genocidal policies in that war is a slap in the face to all those victims and their relatives.
@Sepemini again your totally out of order , im not making excuses of the seriousess of what happened in those camps in sa , they were internment camps , im trying to get it into your head that the british were and never been like the Nazis in the days were messages took weeks to get back to britain, the situation was out of control before the british government could respond,
Actually, you have been making excuses for what the Brits did . . .you sound like everything that happened in your concentration camps was just some unfortunate accident. Disease and death are going to be a natural result of crowding people into tight conditions without adequate food and proper sanitation measures. Also, I never compared them to the Nazis, but what your side did was akin to genocide. What did they think was going to happen to those people in the camps?
@Sepemini once it was known, and highlighted by a british civilian woman , the situation in the camps changed , it was the outbreak of desease that in those days could not be treated,that accounted for the deaths, it wasnt policy made in london to wipe out the boers , like adolf did to the jews , a massive difference , you talk as if we ment to kill the boer women and children, which wasnt the case
@Sepemini hey they were skin and bones because of the illness , you get the shits , the weight falls off , and combined with tropical deseases , people can die very quickly , as i said most british troops in SA died through the same deseases ,, even 20 years later , over a third the british who joined up in ww1 were suffering from malnutrition
The Brits had like half a million troops to the Boer's 60-70k in that war---realistically there was no way you could lose--simple attrition would've won it for you. There was no need and no excuse to resort to making war on the civilian population like that. Forcing women and children from their homes, burning the houses, then stuffing them into tight, barbed wire enclosures and starving them was indeed an evil and atrocious practice from a supposedly civilized nation.
It was never a policy of the U.S. to incarcerate and starve the whole Vietnamese civilian population, which is exactly what your country did (or tried to do) to the Boers. You invaded their country out of pure greed, on the flimsy excuse of defending the rights of the "uitlanders". Under similar pretenses, Brits had earlier mettled in Zulu affairs, invading their land and burning their tribal capital after the battle of Ulundi.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish That's right, "MightyEnglish", put anyone who argues with you on the defensive . . ."but the Nazi's did worse, the Yanks did this, Russians did that, the Japansese, etc . . .didn't mean to hurt those women and children, blah, blah".
The point here is, moron, you keep hanging around a site dedicated to the memory of the victims of your country's concentration camps, giving weak rationalizations about why it happened while trying to mitigate your guilt. Show some respect!
@TheMightOfTheEnglish "yes we ment to burn every boer farm, and it worked , the boers were forced to surrender , the deaths in those camps were not ment "
Deaths in the camps weren't "ment" . . .exactly what was the plan then? As I asked before, what did they think would happen , particularly to the more susceptible children, by confining them in barbed wire fields without sufficient food, shelter, and medicine? I guess you're saying your leaders weren't as much cruel as they were stupid.
@Sepemini if as you say ,we were out to murder all boers , like you did with the native american, then we would of just butchered them on their farms, obviously the army did not know what would happen , if put in overcrowded camps, ,their job was to defeat theboer commando , which we did,, if you read papers what was said in the house of commons at the time , there was outrage at the deaths
Nothing you've said exonerate's your country's crimes against the Boer people in that war. It's obvious you harbor a lot of guilt and are desperately trying to defend the actions of the British army and their targeting of the Boer women and children.
Well congrats--you Brits get full credit for your invention of the concentration camps. Just 40 years later, Hitler and his Nazis learned too well by the British example of civilian extermination!
@Sepemini america did exactly the same in the phillipines , and even more so ,, at least after the boer war , thing settled down in south africa on the whole , wheras your treatment of native americans and black americans went on for decades more ,, your racism, and your segregation of blacks were a blueprint for the afrikaaner apartied system ,, and your view of blacks as non people equaled nazis view of jews as non people .look at your own history mate
What you can't get through your thick skull is that this is a video that memorializes the victims of the British concentration camps.
You earlier mentioned Wounded Knee---I don't hang around any memorial sites of that massacre of 146 people and try to defend the actions of the US Cavalry. Why would you plague this site like an unwanted pest, trying to explain away the murder-by-starvation of thousands of Boer women and children in the British concentration camps?
@Sepemini what im saying is that those camps ,although tragic , was just that , something that sould never of happend ,, your problem ,is that you think we murdered them intentionally ,, as in nazi concentration camps, im saying that we did not , yes 25,000 died , yes we altered the camps how they were run , and the death rate fell dramatically, thats my argument knobhead
If they weren't supposed to be death camps, an awful lot of people certainly died a slow, torturous death in them, especially the children.
While the majority of the British population, then and today, might not think of them as death camps, I'd bet the rest of the world sees them that way. That would put your opinion about the British death camps, excuse me, "concentration camps", in the minority.
@Sepemini mate 13,000 british died of disease to 7 or 8,000 deaths through combat , there was no antibiotics or decent medicines to combat the type of diseases that people had there , as ive said before , your country has little to shout about when it comes to civil rights and treatment of other nations ,, what did you think would happen to the indians ,when banished to infertile desert reservations
You can't compare the large tracts of land of our Indian reservations to those barbed wire, diseased starvation camps of yours in the Boer War.
As a matter of fact, many Native American tribes are thriving today with their casino businesses that they're allowed to run on the reservations. Give me a piece of that action and I'll move onto a reservation! I doubt many of the Boer people today would want to still live in a British concentration camp!
@Sepemini no you cant compare , 25,000 dead boers , unintentionally died in custody for a few years , to a few million native americans dead intentionally hunted down for a century, your right , yours was a holocaust , there were no casinos or anything or rights or nothing ,in the 1890s, just s pile of infertile dustbowl, and woe betide any redskin who left those resevations
You're making some gross exaggerations and outright lies about the Native Americans--I'll bet you've never even been to my country. It was only natural for a growing population of white Americans of European descent to move westward from the east coast, of course they came into conflict with NA's and fought with them. There were many atrocities committed on both sides---you can believe that! Thousands of white settler families were attacked and murdered by Indians.
Of course, I can't blame the Indians for being hostile--their land was being taken. But again, it was only natural for white Americans to expand their territory across the American continent.
We didn't sail half way around the world to steal someone else's gold, and then systematically murder the civilian population by the thousands, like the Brits did in the Boer War. Did the Boers ever attack and murder British civilians by the thousands, or starve them in concentration camps? NO!
@Sepemini no the boers just wiped out the black population wherever they went ,and stole their land, then once their party the national party , mainly affrikaaner , got into power , after ww2 , they kept the whole black population down, criminalised mixed relationships , and generally looked on british south africans as 2nd class citizens, ,,we settled in SA as it was en route to australia ,
@Sepemini your real funny , you broke every treaty you ever had against the native americans ,and thats a fact , you told them they could have the black hills , then you found gold there and betrayed them again, its not your country , you stole it, and that other tribe the nes pearce , however you spell it , the 7th cavalry chased them through several states ,right up to canada,,you wiped out the buffalo almost, and stopped many of their ceremonys, including the sun dance
you seperated the young ,cut their hair and americanised them, yes you treat them differently today ,, the boer/afrikaaners went on to rule the whole of south africa , and what a fine job they made to ,,, i fell for the custer story , and the alamo to, you were the good guys, hollywood did a great jobs , but really you were the baddys as texas belonged to mexico , and it was the US that attacked the sioux ,
at the end of the day , america did far worse to the phiipinos , with concentration camps , slaughter , and outbreak of disease , , up to a million dead,, more dead in 13 years than 250 years of spanish occupation, , you look it up ,, its true , you call us ,yet you were trying to obtain an empire and influence yourself , and thats a fact. .
as for the boers ,yes i feel sorry for the deaths of the civilians,, no i dont feel sorry for the boers as a whole ,, do you feel anything , for the viet cong , or north vietnamese ,, or the victims of the atom bomb , or the thousands dead in south america ,through your interferrence, or the civilians of iraq and somalia, , i doubt it . weve been through 2 world wars. a million dead of our own,most cities flattend and bankrupt twice, no we dont lose any sleep over the boer war
the boers of today the afrikaaner people of south africa , have their own problems today , like survival, thousands of farmers have already been murdered , like in zimbabwe , the SA government looks on it as crime , not political, when you have an anc president singing anti boer songs , you know you have a problem,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish ..Might of the English ???? LOL !! You people can't even control your own counrty. The day is coming when it will be known as Britainstan, and you'll be on your knees facing east . Britain is the most dhimmi country in the entire world...even worse than France.
@JUMPMASTER263 shows you know fuck all , hey youve more pakis than england mate, more blacks more irish more mexicans more muslims than us , most places are predominatey white still, with 98.5% white were i live out of a population of 300,000 , what you see on tv are just certain towns , and most muslims here are not looney fundamentalists , we only have them through you ,most of you lot arnt even 100% loyal to your own flag
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I was talking about religion ya tosser, not ethnicity. I find your name hilarious, considering the U.K. can't even keep the religion of Islam from raising all sorts of hell right in your streets. And the majority of Americans are STILL LOYAL TO THE FLAG AND COUNTRY..where you got that from ???who knows.
@JUMPMASTER263 haha , theres less than a million and a half muslims in the UK, most were born here and are loyal , and concider the loony muslims the samw as us,, i thought you were the land of free speech , we have it here to you know, some of these extreme muslims , we cant kick out because of stupid european human rights bill ,
@JUMPMASTER263 were i got loyality from , is how come you section your own people , irish american, german american, mexican american, the only one who dont were the original english americans, who rebelled ,who just call themselves american, as for keeping radical muslims off the street, what do you want us to do clamp down on them , like you did with the branch davidians in waco
id look at your own, more nutters in the US than anywere , loyal you say , how many presidentsand high ranking politicians have been shot in the US in the last 50 years , lol ,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Irish?We built America and England andthe English are only illegal immigrants in Britain-a CELTIC country.Fuck off back to Denmark-everyone hates you.
the irish built fuckall, apart from digging a few holes here and there navies , unskilled labour, , we built dublin and belfast , the celts are foreign themselves matey , the originate from near the black sea actually , bloody asian, we had the original hunter gatherers here before any celt , the english celts were absorbed into the melting pot , and yes were proud of them to
@xdr8390 everyone hates you republican scum you mean,, who likes you lot , haha , iranians, ghadaffi, PLO , and other extremist terrorists and irish ex pats , its a fallacy dreamed up by sein fein ira, ,yes we have had problems , but we can go anywhere world wide quite safely numnuts, scum loving parasites ,everywhere we went you did to ,with your peadophile church in tow
@Sepemini in 1900 -03 , the world had its own troubles and wouldnt think twice about south africa,, again at the very same time .your nation ,attacked spanish colonies of cuba,guam,puerto rico and the phillipines, you,ll find up to a million phillipinos died ,in their attempt for freedom , and in the pacification that followed you to herded civilians into camps to, its little heared of ,but what you did in the phillipines was far worse than south africa
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You haven't put me anywhere, limey. You just continue to show yourself as the smug, insensitive putz that you are by staying on this site, which is a memorial to the victims of some of your country's past brutality.
I can appreciate that not all Brits think like you---you should watch the BBC version of the Boer War on You Tube. It's a little more unbiased, and the narrator at least acknowledges British war crimes during that conflict, and shows some real remorse.
@Sepemini ive never glorified what went on in south africa , at all , what i did say was ,once the conditions were known in the UK what conditions were like , a commission was sent to see for themselves, civilian authorities took over , the camps improved and the death count fell,, people like you ,talk as if the british set out to murder these people. as in nazi death camps , i say we did not
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I'll tell you what you should put in place---try fixing that f**king mess in the Gulf that one of your incompetant oil companies has created! That sh*t is going to destroy the economies of every southern state bordering the gulf. But what should we expect from a second-rate power that dreams about it's glory days of empire and still worships their "royalty". What do you think about Fergie, huh? lol
Off the subject, I know, but you've been doing it enough.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I seriously doubt your royals are admired that much by a majority of Americans . . .I think many regard them with curious amusement, and most of us think they're a joke.
@Sepemini as for royals , its funny how much air time your country gives to them, and how your celebrities , fall over themselves to get near them when they visit, what about your "royal family", the kennedys , lol , once lead by that old bastard joe ,anti british to, importing scotch whiskey yo america while london was bombed , made deals with the mafia,unions to get JF,voted in .just, an adulterer,and almost started ww3
@TheMightOfTheEnglish , oh yes , his brother, bobby ,both shagging marlylin monroe, lol, both assasinated because they were so loved ,and eddy , leaving a woman to drown, then going back to a party, a supporter of the IRA along with bobbys eldest son, nephews accused of rape,then hey presto ,off free, wiiliam smith was it, shame about john jr ,seemed the most normal of the lot ,
not to mention how many other presidents shot or killed , lol , ford was shot, as was regan, a plot against carter foiled, , oh forgot about clinton and his famous cigar trick , lol , you talk of royalty , yet these people have their finger on the button,, methinks just how long the messiah , obama ,will last , with the track record of lunatic fringes in the US ,id be very weary if i was him, , just going on your history
Wow, now you're babbling on about Obama and the Kennedy's, Marilyn Monroe, the IRA and the mafia! What, pray tell, do any of them have to do with the murder of the Boer women and children in the British concentration camps???
Your arguments for trying to defend your country's atrocities in that war are getting more absurd with every post you make.
@Sepemini your the one who brought up fergie and our royal family mate ,, what had that to do with the subject either ,, i just commented our royal family compared to your fine examples of head of state lol
@Sepemini haha i thought you ment the gulf in the middle east , ahthe gulf of mexico , lol , your as bad as your anti british president , just because its BP , it could of been any oil company , insted of being heart broken , he sould get together with bp to fix the leak , i say anti british as he goes on about his grandad arrested by british, boo hoo. the rig that blew up,wasnt even bp but a sub contractor,
@Sepemini an the way you say genocidal policies is a joke , did we go anywhere like the spanish , and wipe out an entire nation or people like the spanish with the incas. and aztecs, or the germans in africa whos policy from the top was to exterminate everyone, sherman to with his policy to wipe out all native americans plains indians ,
@Sepemini , bit funny how , our empire, nearly every country stayed in the commonwealth , and we have good relations with almost all to ,today, and if we were as bad as you would like to think , none would of stayed ,, empire , america only wanted it to end so they could have influence yourself , youve done a pretty good job of empire building yourself , with far worse human rights abuses than us , people in glass houses mate
Tell me, what country used to boast that the sun never set on their empire? America has never done anywhere near the worldwide conquering and plundering that the British did. Again, quit trying to deflect the arguments away from the atrocities that your country committed in the Boer War, because that's what this particular video is about. All the criticism in this thread, by many others besides me, about these cruel concentration camps is well deserved.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish funny you talk bout the irish, "The Celtic grazing lands of... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonized... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland.. Pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots. (Great Famine-wiki)
@Kokoda144 as for the irish , it hasnt anything to to with the subject of concentration camps ,and wether the british killed these people intentionally , as for the hungry consumer market,, in victorian times most working class , couldnt afford meat as most were as poor as the irish ,many lving in worse housing and worse conditions than the irish were,impoverished and malnourished themselves ,we did have many farms here to ,plus imports from all over the empires, we did not rely on irish food
@TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 bad for the civilians dieing of malnutrition and desiease becuase the poms didnt want to spend money on it. we may look at it thru 21st century eyes, but food and medicine has been around for more then 100 years.
@Kokoda144 it was desease and bad planning of the camps, they were never extermination camps , as likend to nazi german camps, the object wasnt to wipe out these boer civilians ,they could of done that on their farms, to crowded and sanitation and almost none existent,, not a lot medicine wise could of been done because if that was the case ,the 14,000 or so british troops who died of desease also could of been saved,the aussies were involved to you know
@TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 bad for the civilians dieing of malnutrition and desiease becuase the poms didnt want to spend money on it. we may look at it thru 21st century eyes, but food and medicine has been around for more then 100 years. you keep saying that more brits died, is that to make ure self feel better that the british army purposly put civilians in to a confined space with inadiquate sanitation or food supplies. dont try to tell me that britain did the right thing.
@Kokoda144 yes it does make me feel better ,because the comparison is always with the nazis , whose orders came from the very top , the order to wipe out whole peoples, a hatred of a people ,out and out brutality torture and extermination, it was a completely different situation, the orders were not from parliament, most british didnt even know, and once it was known the condition in the camps, the conditions in the camps were improved and death rates lowered
After the Boer War had already finished, two Boer officers were tried and executed for "miss-use of the flag of truce." Will they get a pardon too? Kitchener bears a far greater burden of guilt - that of the deaths of 24,000 Boer children and 3,000 Boer women in the British Concentration camps. That death toll amounted to a full 50%! of the Boer child population at that time. 20,000 Black Africans also died in the British Camps.
Feb 2010 The Aussies want the Queen to pardon Breaker Morant & Peter Handcock for their murders of Boer prisoners. At least Morant and Handcock had the luxury of a court martial. The men they murdered didn't even get questioned, much less tried. Morant and Handcock were cold blooded murderers and do not deserve a pardon. Claims by NAZI war criminals in WW2 that they "were only following orders" were not taken into account when they were sentenced to death so why should it apply to this pair.
@Rhodaf101 dont know the the full story of breaker morant ,but in the film they suspected that a minister of passing information on to the boers , dont know wether he was german or dutch , the unit breaker morant was in was based on the boer commando, to fight just like them, their unit was ambushed and they suspected that minister , who they shot , the trail was to placate the boers ,when the hostilities were near the end,
I am sorry but I cannot agree with you that this matter should be forgotten, in the same way that massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 should not be forgotten or the destruction of the red Indian nations by the US settlers over a 150 years ago. Events like this one have been hidden from the world's view by the British for far too long and they must live with the "Crimes against Humanity" and "War Crimes" they comitted and be reminded again and again what took place in South Africa.
@Seioghe But its not a warcrime building concentration camps. The warcrime was the boers dressing in British uniform looted from corpses. The warcrime was the "innocent" woman and children harbouring and supplying the guerrilla boers. The British responded by building concentration camps to stop the civilians from doing this.
When an occupying army incarcerates the civilian population in a concentration camp and then fails to adequately provide for the internees, thus causing unecessary deaths, that act must then become a "crime against humanity", and this is what the British did.
@Seioghe Yes, many of the deaths were avoidable, but the British Army expected the concentrated civilian population to make their own facilities. However they chose the civil disobedience route and didn't build them.
The British public was disgusted when they found out what was going on they immediatly stepped in to help the Boers concentrated in the camps.
And it was no where near a destruction of a race, so it was not a genocide.
Genocide includes the destruction of part of a people, the British did this by selectively killing woman and children whether by intent or indifference , matters not. I do not accept the civil disobedience story; those woman wanted their children to live. Emily Hobhouse is still revered but Kitchener is still reviled. The overall British policy may have been to providie the mines with cheap (boer) labour by driving them from the land. Refer to the Carnegie report c1930
The Boers were fighting a liberation war against an occupying army therefore guerilla tactics are legitimate. The destruction of houses and livestock were "war crimes". The Boer soldiers were barely clothed and often barefoot, , many were dressed in hessian sacking rags. It is a custom in a guerilla war to obtain your supplies from the enemy and this is what the Boers did. Those captured in British uniforms were shot out of hand or given a summary trial and then executed.
@Seioghe The guerilla war inwhich they fought was illigal under the rules of war at the time. They did not fight in a recognised uniform, and they went home (or another farmstead) and expected to be treated as farmers.
The scorched earth policy was practiced on those that did this. And it is not a warcrime to destroy your enemies base of operations, whether it be an underground bunker or a farm house, it is being used for military purposes.
The Boers had no standing army other than the State Artillery, which wore uniforms. When called up for Commando duty, the Boers equipped and clothed themselves, the British were well aware of this after the First Boer War. The destruction by the British of the farms occupied by woman and children and the killing of their livestock was equivelent to the worst atrocities committed in WW11 by the occupying Nazi's. The great powers decide the rules of war, look at the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Good grief I am astounded at how backwards you have it as the war crime was the killing of civilians in the concentration camps. How can you insinuate that the Boer struggle to remain free from colonization was the "war crime"?! The British invaded two sovereign Boer Republics - which were recognized by Britain / Holland / France / Germany / Belgium & the United States of America - therefore the Boers guerrilla tactics were entirely legitimate in response to British aggression.
That is purer nonsense because it has long since been exposed that that assertion was just a pretext for the British to conquer the Boer Republics because President Paul Kruger bent over backwards in attempting to accommodate the British & agreed to very lenient rules for the Uitlanders but the British still refused as they wanted a pretext to go to war with the Boer Republics. President Marthinus Steyn of the Orange Free State went out of his way to prevent war but the British were determined.
I would say both parties were determined in what they wanted. The Boer Republics wanted boer supremacy (and who can blame them, you don't want these uitlanders coming in and taking your jobs), and Britain wanted the best for the Uitlanders (as many of them were British), which would inevitably mean taking controll of the gold mining in South Africa, which would be impossible without controlling the Boer Republics.
no way the British were openly hegemonists , they treated the Boers like cattle ,they were quite open in their desire
to kill as may Boer civilians and soldiers as they could . There was no precedent for what they did in the concentration camps . Unless you think places like Andersonville and Point Lookout were legitimate . Lord Kitchner was A pompous incompetent
ass who slaughtered countless people and both sides.
You summed Lord Kitchner in one. Once the British public got wind of what was going on there were radical efforts to try and improve conditions in the camps.
And it was not the aim to kill as many civilians as they could, that was just an unfortunate unforeseen consenquence that had a dramatic effect, and was not picked up on untill it was too late.
Would you risk civilians supplying and harbouring your enemy?
I wouldn't. Although I wouldn't have had all the deception
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Grunneger050 1 month ago
@Grunneger050 Sal by die sanger vir jou hoor.
boervolkradio 1 month ago
Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"
That is exactly what the British did to the Boers.
DO NOT DENY THE FIRST OR SECOND BOER GENOCIDE.
boereriem 2 months ago
Let's all be clear about one simple point. The british nation commited active and intentional Genocide against the Boers. History show us that very point very clearly.
I want England to apologize for this atrocity that was commited against our people, against my forefathers and mothers.
DO NOT DENY THE FIRST OR SECOND BOER GENOCIDE.
boereriem 2 months ago
@imperialGlory 1920. YOU GO AND GO FU..K YOURE queen elizabeth in the ass you cu.t but fuc..er!!! KOM PRETORIA TU DAN BLIKSEM EK DIE ROOK UIT JOU UIT JOU ENGELSE GEMORS!!!!!.....go figger that out you dumb britt!!!!!!
BOER151 3 months ago
I always think of satan trying to tempt Jesus by telling Jesus he(satan) would give Jesus all the governments of the world if he would worship him. Looks like satan certainly has had them to give.
snookumsjack 3 months ago
yeaaaah no problem it is ok... they will sorry you guys... no problem... the jews also could take the sorry from the nazis...
oOAndrewsOo 4 months ago
F--k Britain! Genocidal pigs!
DonTheCritic 5 months ago
well done british well done
killaafrikaner 10 months ago
@killaafrikaner go f*UK your self you ignorant bastard you have no idea of your country's crimes how can you say some thing like that then i might just say as well go Germans for the Jews you kill us and you have no humanity but i hope one day we will kill all of you
MrDoos69 5 months ago
@MrDoos69 Oh and your people kicking blacks from their land is ok? You pretty much have all of their land and your asking for more?! Scums! I would kill you my self,but The blacks will do it for me. Kill all Brits? Good luck with that. Farmers and pitch forks vs Soldiers with guns,tanks,ships,planes ect...... You'll be fucked in a blink of an eye!
ImperialGlory1920 3 months ago
new zealand forces fought in this war and it's still commorated -section 2(1) of the Anzac Day Acy 1966.
Disgusting
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 11 months ago
The Cape-Dutch (and the British[Milner etc] ) both worked on destroying the Boer identity and started calling themselves and the Boers Afrikaners.
The reason was twofold, one as Milner wrote "the Boers will never be won in another war, the only way to get rid of them is to destroy their identity"
The other reason was the Cape-Dutch who wanted the Boer's inheritance for themselves, and to hide the fact that they were just as much to blame for the murder of the Boer children as the British.
theunisccloete 11 months ago
@theunisccloete Thenis, ek is n Boer maar ek het nie n saak as ek Afrikaner genoem word nie.
Jopie Fourie het gese "Ek kan nie insien waarom ons jong Afrikaners vir Engeland se eer moet veg nie"
Hy het homself as n Afrikaner en n Boer gesien, nie een of die ander nie.
Jopie Fourie, is n ware Boere-Afrikaner Held en as hy met trots kan se hy is n Afrikaner dan is dit goed genoeg vir my.
Anders as dit stem ek saam met jou 100%, ..(CONT)..
boereriem 2 months ago
@theunisccloete ..(CONT).. Anders as dit stem ek saam met jou 100%, die engelse het metodies proebeer om ons geskiedenis en erfenis af te breek, uit te vee.
Net soos vandag nog gedoen word deur die ANC en baie ander groepe die wereld oor. Ons word elke dag uit mekaar gedryf deur groepe wat ons will uit wis.
Verdeeltyd word gesaai deur mense wat se of jy is Afrikaner of jy is Boer en daar is te min van ons WARE Volks Mense oor om teen mekaar te baklei, en tog baklei ons.
boereriem 2 months ago
The Boer population was only 200,000 or less while the Cape-Dutch were around 300,000
The Children killed was 24,000 and then there were anouther 3,000 woman and men who died, the total being around 27,000
The Boer TOTAL child polpulation was around 25%, thus 50,000 so with 24,000 dead one can say 50% of the total Boer child population died.
At the same time NOT one child of the Cape-Dutch(now also so-called Afrikaners) were in those camps nor died, as they were on the side of the British.
theunisccloete 11 months ago
@theunisccloete The suffering of the children should not go unnoticed. Check out AMAZON: BRITISH TERRORISM AGAINST BOER CIVILIANS. Done by E. ROSS.
brokenbythebritish 9 months ago
Fuckin tough shit dont fuck with the British
clydewell 11 months ago
Nun,ja, von irgendjemandem hat AH ja wohl gelernt.
TheAfrikander 1 year ago
There were more soldiers in South Africa than the boer population, and still no victory... then they started to use the consentrationcamps. Of the 300 000 boer population, almost 40 000 died in the camps. Britain newspapers claimed 40 000 ded was a majour succes... I saw the pictures... I fear, that the past will come one day to haunt Britain for what they have done, not only to South Africa, but all the other countries that they took to fill their pockets with bloodmoney...
helgardmuller1983 1 year ago
people comparing the nazis and british obviously dont know anything lol, the brits used the camps inorder to stop the civilans resupplying the boer commandos, they were just like the soviet internment camps after ww2. The nazi's used there camps inorder to do mass exterminations. 27,927 died in the british camps, 6 million in the nazi's... slight difference.
guyslade 1 year ago
@guyslade Oh and most of them died to diesease, just like over half the british army deaths, so it wasnt due to willfull neglect, the majority of them died the same way the british army did, because our medicine wasnt enough to help them because they wernt prepared to deal with the abundence of disease.
guyslade 1 year ago
@guyslade @ TheMightOfTheEnglish basically, you're right. The word concentration camp means many people concentrate on a space. It doesn´t matter if killing 100 or 1000 people. It was a war for resources behind that war stood a British mining company.
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ozeangruen 1 year ago
@guyslade If 6 million Afrikaners had died that would mean that the entire Afrikaner people would have been wiped out many times over. Yes it is a huge difference in the number of people dead but if you look at the size of the population of both people you can see how 27927 people dying was a massive blow.
slagathor54 1 year ago
@slagathor54 our population is now about 3 million and our people are still getting mudred every day it is almost 1000 this year alone there is currently a genocide against the Boervolk and nobody take note
Aprimegrc 1 year ago
@guyslade 28 000 exterminated out of a population of little over 250 000 is genocide you imbasil. But I guess you are a Brit or atleast a British supporter who would like to justify these kinds of actions.
SteenkampG 1 year ago
@SteenkampG actually i am a brit i wrote a study on the first and second boer war for my history uni course, though you could of figured out i was a brit by just clicking my profile and forgoing the needless comment
guyslade 1 year ago
@guyslade The British caused up to 65% of the Boer children in the camps to die. Of a small nation, of 100,000 people, 25% perished. It is no use to lol at the terrible suffering of the children. see AMAZON: BRITISH TERRORISM AGAINST BOER CIVILIANS: how Britian destroyed the two Boer Republics by starving civilians in concentration camps. They used heavy artillery against civilians. Bin Laden destroyed only two towers...
brokenbythebritish 10 months ago
Boers like Mormons are a biblical people like jews.
Rico8458 1 year ago
Britten kunnen alleen over anderen oordelen maar zijn zelf de grootste midadigers..
spionapples 1 year ago
Fucking british terrorists. I would like Germany won the war and exterminate British scum in WW2
MuhamedPedofilovic 1 year ago
i guess its ok for brits to do this to other nations. but the nazi's get slamed for it.
Kokoda144 1 year ago 18
@Kokoda144 They weren't death camps, they were concentration camps, look up the difference.
MrStarbuck123 1 year ago
@MrStarbuck123 you are right, hardly any one died in there from malnutrition.
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 dont get confused over concentration and death camps....hitler contolled both the british done this to drive the boers from hiding...yes its cruelty but spanish invented it
jerryjingjo 1 year ago
@jerryjingjo so its ok to starve civilians if some one else has done worse to them at some other stage of history?
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 lol dont get too confused im just pointing a statement not saying its right dick quad
jerryjingjo 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 Yeh but the difference was we won the Boer War, the Nazis lost World War 2, so they were the bad guys.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@MajBlood how does winning a war make it right. killing civilians is never right. if a invating army came in to your country and took you away from your home and put you into a concentration camp then staved you. then they won the war, would that be right? would you feel you had been treated humainly? war doesnt take into account who is right or wrong, war takes honor and morales and puts them into a blender. infact you even sacraficed 2 australian troops fighting for you army as scape goats.
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 You got me all wrong. Have you ever heard the expression "history is written by the victors"? What the British did was wrong, but there was noone else against them and they crushed the boers, there is a bias against the Germans, since the majority of the worlds powers were against them.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@MajBlood ok, so armies can kill civilians as long as they win the war?
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 No you misunderstand me again. English cannot be your native language. What I mean to say is, when a country wins a war, as is the case with Britain, they tend to write the history, they usually have they support and influence of and on the other great powers of the world and they just get the better deal. I am not saying it is right.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@MajBlood history always comes out eventualy.
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144, The British, and the U.S. later learned to dorect the blame for similar atrocities toward others. The Spanish did the same thing in Cuba about the same time tyo put down the Secong Cuban rebellion against the Spanish Crown. The American Media was happy to report about that one with gusto for sure since the U.S. always had wanted to drive Spain the last European Power from the continent.
Wolfen443 11 months ago
Brits and Jews = a gang of gold-robbers and thieves.
lithopoonwit 1 year ago 6
@lithopoonwit oh but nazis are fine right? fucktard
totalwarruler 1 year ago
@lithopoonwit Same as the rest of the world really if you think about it.
swollower 1 year ago
@lithopoonwit shut up britians a great nation our comonwelths had all the rights we had a lot of countries came into the modern world because of us if you ask a lot of older jamacans if thay prefered us rulling them a lot of them would say yes and we were the first country to have dimocracy
critic189 11 months ago
And remember the Boers did not have an official army at the time. So it was the English against civilians and children. Apparently they did the same in India and Australia.
marinusf1 1 year ago
It is also known that "versetters" attitude attributed to the uncontrolable health conditions. "'n Boer vrou sal veel eerder steft as om te leef onder die Engelse" A known propaganda stated that crushed glass and fish hooks were added to the Camp food - these alegations have been removed from the boer memorial in Bloemfontein......I wonder why?
sdtraider 1 year ago
The Britons lost nearly as many to disease as the Boers....oh and they weren't even subjected to genocide in concentration camps....and if the Boer cause was so just...why did 5000 boers (NOT Cape Afrikaaners!!!) fight on the side of the British? Oh...and so by the way 20% deaths amongst children does not equate to 50%. STOP exagerating to keep fueling your hatred. Keep to the facts. The British unequiped to deal with their own deaths to disease as well as those in Camps.
sdtraider 1 year ago
A most regretable war most certainly. Britain guilty of genocide....hardly!!! Remember that the Boers invaded the colonies. Kruger refused any rights to the Uitlanders...bleeding them with taxes...refusing them voting rights until they had stayed 14 years..refusing them english national schools (though they paid taxes)...dominating mining trade with Kruger held monopolies. The Calvanist views of Boers was tantamount to a religous struggle...against these "godelose" uitlanders.
sdtraider 1 year ago
ek sal engels praat sodat almal kan verstaan-unarmed english soldiers were allways released-one of them admitted that de wet captured him 14 times during the anglo boer war
charlesnor1965 1 year ago
i wonder why we do not learn about these things in school.England has dark sides too,not just Germany,
Boerlady 1 year ago
Kitchener may not have had an official POLICY of extermination but it came damn close to being one anyway.
Rhodaf101 2 years ago
I think people like you view these things through 21st century eyes , these camps were no camps like what the germans had in ww2 which were designed to work prisoners to death or eliminate them alltogether ,, these were internment camps,similar to what the americans had for the japanese in ww2 , of cause it was terrible what happend ,, desease is a terrible thing when it breaks out , which it did here in these camps , more british were killed through desease themselves than through fighting
TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 years ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish you would do well to remember the term "concentration camp" originated from the Boer War - funny how they the used the term for the nazi camps - perhaps the similarities! as usual the brits will deny everything! prick!!
SIGNAL75 1 year ago
@SIGNAL75 well prick if you knew the history you would know the difference between the internent camps in south africa , and the nazi death camps , they were called concentration camps ,because of the amount of people concentrated in one place , thats all , i said that before but seems your to dim to see the diffference , concentration camps in nazi germany ,the purpose of which was to either work people to death or murder them,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@SIGNAL75 british camps were put together , with no proper sanitation ,or facilities , once desease broke out what happen next was a tragedy , and as i said before more british died through desease than fighting , it was a british women who brought the tragedy to the attention to parliament .who had no idea what conditions were like , i see your from the uk , if you dont like it piss off back to south africa
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish unfortunately I have a british passport and my parents are british so i;ll stay here as long as want just to piss big headed pretentious twats like you god forbid anyone who doesnt agree with your view!!
thaeragc 1 year ago
@thaeragc what you on about unfortunately , people like you who knock this country make most of us sick ,
when most peple have a go at us , they talk of us as a whole , not just government policy and politicians , that means you to , all of us , my parents generation was the best this country ever had , when people insult us, for things centuries ago i take offence , the concentration camps during the boer ,war were not the same as nazi death camps,you know that
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Don't compare the English concentration camps in the Boer War to the American WW2 internment camps--they were not "similar". Japanese camps, and even the German POW camps in the U.S. had nothing close to the kind of death rates of the Boer camps. Indeed, the Japanese (who were actually U.S. citizens) and the German POWs were well fed and well treated.
Your name says it all--you want to defend the English side, but your arguments are starting to sound desperate.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini im comparing them in the fact they were internment camps , not nazi death camps ,were the sole aim was to kill a whole race , it was 40 odd years previous to ww2 , and the camps were less than adequete .of course , desease broke out and the deaths were terrible , we to had internment camps in ww2 on the isle of man ,which were more like a holiday camp ,many more british troops died through desease than at the hands of the boers
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Sepemini you americans cant talk mate , look it up 1945 , americans herded over quarter of a million german pows ,or even more into a field before the surrender , the geneva convention says pows sould be sheltered ,fed and looked after , they may not of ment to , but through neglect , and lack of food and shelter . 10s of thousands of german pows died , through american neglect
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Seems that you're the one doing most of the talking "mate"---I merely responded to your ridiculous comparison of the U.S. civilian internment camps to what the Brits did to the Boer civilians at the turn of the century. I wasn't aware of the German WWll pow's---if that is true, it was a terrible thing and shouldn't have happened. I won't make excuses for it, so you stop with all the BS excuses as to why the Brits starved many thousands of Boer women and children.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini my name has nothing to do with anything , it was chosen to get up the noses of republican irish scum, not as a right wing statement ,, it was general sherman who came up with the phrase "the final solution" when trying to exterminate the native americans , i wont even go into your civil rights abuses of blacks right up to the mis 60s ,
if we were nazis we would of killed boers families were they stood , just like you did at wounded knee
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Yeah, yeah, argue with a Yank by bringing up the Native Americans--good move. Our treatment of the American Indians and what . . .the British and their mistreatment of just about everyone else on the planet? Keep dreaming about your dead empire.
Perhaps you should watch the video again and try and stick to the subject. Your even being here to try and defend your country's genocidal policies in that war is a slap in the face to all those victims and their relatives.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini again your totally out of order , im not making excuses of the seriousess of what happened in those camps in sa , they were internment camps , im trying to get it into your head that the british were and never been like the Nazis in the days were messages took weeks to get back to britain, the situation was out of control before the british government could respond,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Actually, you have been making excuses for what the Brits did . . .you sound like everything that happened in your concentration camps was just some unfortunate accident. Disease and death are going to be a natural result of crowding people into tight conditions without adequate food and proper sanitation measures. Also, I never compared them to the Nazis, but what your side did was akin to genocide. What did they think was going to happen to those people in the camps?
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@Sepemini once it was known, and highlighted by a british civilian woman , the situation in the camps changed , it was the outbreak of desease that in those days could not be treated,that accounted for the deaths, it wasnt policy made in london to wipe out the boers , like adolf did to the jews , a massive difference , you talk as if we ment to kill the boer women and children, which wasnt the case
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Sepemini hey they were skin and bones because of the illness , you get the shits , the weight falls off , and combined with tropical deseases , people can die very quickly , as i said most british troops in SA died through the same deseases ,, even 20 years later , over a third the british who joined up in ww1 were suffering from malnutrition
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
The Brits had like half a million troops to the Boer's 60-70k in that war---realistically there was no way you could lose--simple attrition would've won it for you. There was no need and no excuse to resort to making war on the civilian population like that. Forcing women and children from their homes, burning the houses, then stuffing them into tight, barbed wire enclosures and starving them was indeed an evil and atrocious practice from a supposedly civilized nation.
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TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Oh, now this is about Viet Nam! Lol
It was never a policy of the U.S. to incarcerate and starve the whole Vietnamese civilian population, which is exactly what your country did (or tried to do) to the Boers. You invaded their country out of pure greed, on the flimsy excuse of defending the rights of the "uitlanders". Under similar pretenses, Brits had earlier mettled in Zulu affairs, invading their land and burning their tribal capital after the battle of Ulundi.
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TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish That's right, "MightyEnglish", put anyone who argues with you on the defensive . . ."but the Nazi's did worse, the Yanks did this, Russians did that, the Japansese, etc . . .didn't mean to hurt those women and children, blah, blah".
The point here is, moron, you keep hanging around a site dedicated to the memory of the victims of your country's concentration camps, giving weak rationalizations about why it happened while trying to mitigate your guilt. Show some respect!
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TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish "yes we ment to burn every boer farm, and it worked , the boers were forced to surrender , the deaths in those camps were not ment "
Deaths in the camps weren't "ment" . . .exactly what was the plan then? As I asked before, what did they think would happen , particularly to the more susceptible children, by confining them in barbed wire fields without sufficient food, shelter, and medicine? I guess you're saying your leaders weren't as much cruel as they were stupid.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini if as you say ,we were out to murder all boers , like you did with the native american, then we would of just butchered them on their farms, obviously the army did not know what would happen , if put in overcrowded camps, ,their job was to defeat theboer commando , which we did,, if you read papers what was said in the house of commons at the time , there was outrage at the deaths
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Nothing you've said exonerate's your country's crimes against the Boer people in that war. It's obvious you harbor a lot of guilt and are desperately trying to defend the actions of the British army and their targeting of the Boer women and children.
Well congrats--you Brits get full credit for your invention of the concentration camps. Just 40 years later, Hitler and his Nazis learned too well by the British example of civilian extermination!
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini america did exactly the same in the phillipines , and even more so ,, at least after the boer war , thing settled down in south africa on the whole , wheras your treatment of native americans and black americans went on for decades more ,, your racism, and your segregation of blacks were a blueprint for the afrikaaner apartied system ,, and your view of blacks as non people equaled nazis view of jews as non people .look at your own history mate
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
What you can't get through your thick skull is that this is a video that memorializes the victims of the British concentration camps.
You earlier mentioned Wounded Knee---I don't hang around any memorial sites of that massacre of 146 people and try to defend the actions of the US Cavalry. Why would you plague this site like an unwanted pest, trying to explain away the murder-by-starvation of thousands of Boer women and children in the British concentration camps?
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini what im saying is that those camps ,although tragic , was just that , something that sould never of happend ,, your problem ,is that you think we murdered them intentionally ,, as in nazi concentration camps, im saying that we did not , yes 25,000 died , yes we altered the camps how they were run , and the death rate fell dramatically, thats my argument knobhead
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
If they weren't supposed to be death camps, an awful lot of people certainly died a slow, torturous death in them, especially the children.
While the majority of the British population, then and today, might not think of them as death camps, I'd bet the rest of the world sees them that way. That would put your opinion about the British death camps, excuse me, "concentration camps", in the minority.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini mate 13,000 british died of disease to 7 or 8,000 deaths through combat , there was no antibiotics or decent medicines to combat the type of diseases that people had there , as ive said before , your country has little to shout about when it comes to civil rights and treatment of other nations ,, what did you think would happen to the indians ,when banished to infertile desert reservations
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
You can't compare the large tracts of land of our Indian reservations to those barbed wire, diseased starvation camps of yours in the Boer War.
As a matter of fact, many Native American tribes are thriving today with their casino businesses that they're allowed to run on the reservations. Give me a piece of that action and I'll move onto a reservation! I doubt many of the Boer people today would want to still live in a British concentration camp!
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini no you cant compare , 25,000 dead boers , unintentionally died in custody for a few years , to a few million native americans dead intentionally hunted down for a century, your right , yours was a holocaust , there were no casinos or anything or rights or nothing ,in the 1890s, just s pile of infertile dustbowl, and woe betide any redskin who left those resevations
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
You're making some gross exaggerations and outright lies about the Native Americans--I'll bet you've never even been to my country. It was only natural for a growing population of white Americans of European descent to move westward from the east coast, of course they came into conflict with NA's and fought with them. There were many atrocities committed on both sides---you can believe that! Thousands of white settler families were attacked and murdered by Indians.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini
Of course, I can't blame the Indians for being hostile--their land was being taken. But again, it was only natural for white Americans to expand their territory across the American continent.
We didn't sail half way around the world to steal someone else's gold, and then systematically murder the civilian population by the thousands, like the Brits did in the Boer War. Did the Boers ever attack and murder British civilians by the thousands, or starve them in concentration camps? NO!
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini no the boers just wiped out the black population wherever they went ,and stole their land, then once their party the national party , mainly affrikaaner , got into power , after ww2 , they kept the whole black population down, criminalised mixed relationships , and generally looked on british south africans as 2nd class citizens, ,,we settled in SA as it was en route to australia ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Sepemini your real funny , you broke every treaty you ever had against the native americans ,and thats a fact , you told them they could have the black hills , then you found gold there and betrayed them again, its not your country , you stole it, and that other tribe the nes pearce , however you spell it , the 7th cavalry chased them through several states ,right up to canada,,you wiped out the buffalo almost, and stopped many of their ceremonys, including the sun dance
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
you seperated the young ,cut their hair and americanised them, yes you treat them differently today ,, the boer/afrikaaners went on to rule the whole of south africa , and what a fine job they made to ,,, i fell for the custer story , and the alamo to, you were the good guys, hollywood did a great jobs , but really you were the baddys as texas belonged to mexico , and it was the US that attacked the sioux ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
at the end of the day , america did far worse to the phiipinos , with concentration camps , slaughter , and outbreak of disease , , up to a million dead,, more dead in 13 years than 250 years of spanish occupation, , you look it up ,, its true , you call us ,yet you were trying to obtain an empire and influence yourself , and thats a fact. .
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
as for the boers ,yes i feel sorry for the deaths of the civilians,, no i dont feel sorry for the boers as a whole ,, do you feel anything , for the viet cong , or north vietnamese ,, or the victims of the atom bomb , or the thousands dead in south america ,through your interferrence, or the civilians of iraq and somalia, , i doubt it . weve been through 2 world wars. a million dead of our own,most cities flattend and bankrupt twice, no we dont lose any sleep over the boer war
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
the boers of today the afrikaaner people of south africa , have their own problems today , like survival, thousands of farmers have already been murdered , like in zimbabwe , the SA government looks on it as crime , not political, when you have an anc president singing anti boer songs , you know you have a problem,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish ..Might of the English ???? LOL !! You people can't even control your own counrty. The day is coming when it will be known as Britainstan, and you'll be on your knees facing east . Britain is the most dhimmi country in the entire world...even worse than France.
JUMPMASTER263 1 year ago
@JUMPMASTER263 shows you know fuck all , hey youve more pakis than england mate, more blacks more irish more mexicans more muslims than us , most places are predominatey white still, with 98.5% white were i live out of a population of 300,000 , what you see on tv are just certain towns , and most muslims here are not looney fundamentalists , we only have them through you ,most of you lot arnt even 100% loyal to your own flag
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I was talking about religion ya tosser, not ethnicity. I find your name hilarious, considering the U.K. can't even keep the religion of Islam from raising all sorts of hell right in your streets. And the majority of Americans are STILL LOYAL TO THE FLAG AND COUNTRY..where you got that from ???who knows.
JUMPMASTER263 1 year ago
@JUMPMASTER263 haha , theres less than a million and a half muslims in the UK, most were born here and are loyal , and concider the loony muslims the samw as us,, i thought you were the land of free speech , we have it here to you know, some of these extreme muslims , we cant kick out because of stupid european human rights bill ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@JUMPMASTER263 were i got loyality from , is how come you section your own people , irish american, german american, mexican american, the only one who dont were the original english americans, who rebelled ,who just call themselves american, as for keeping radical muslims off the street, what do you want us to do clamp down on them , like you did with the branch davidians in waco
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
id look at your own, more nutters in the US than anywere , loyal you say , how many presidentsand high ranking politicians have been shot in the US in the last 50 years , lol ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Irish?We built America and England andthe English are only illegal immigrants in Britain-a CELTIC country.Fuck off back to Denmark-everyone hates you.
xdr8390 1 year ago
the irish built fuckall, apart from digging a few holes here and there navies , unskilled labour, , we built dublin and belfast , the celts are foreign themselves matey , the originate from near the black sea actually , bloody asian, we had the original hunter gatherers here before any celt , the english celts were absorbed into the melting pot , and yes were proud of them to
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@xdr8390 everyone hates you republican scum you mean,, who likes you lot , haha , iranians, ghadaffi, PLO , and other extremist terrorists and irish ex pats , its a fallacy dreamed up by sein fein ira, ,yes we have had problems , but we can go anywhere world wide quite safely numnuts, scum loving parasites ,everywhere we went you did to ,with your peadophile church in tow
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish totally agree with everying you have said nice to see sumone sticking up for the british for a change keep it up
stussyboys 1 year ago
@xdr8390
"Fuck off back to Denmark"
Come and make us!
"everyone hates you"
Everyone, being most of the nations on this planet? I'd say that meant we are doing something right. Cheers.
MrWhitfieldDavid 1 year ago
@JUMPMASTER263
Britainistan home of the English Caliphate, centre of the Muslim empire....
That sure has some possibilities. Thanks!
MrWhitfieldDavid 1 year ago
@Sepemini in 1900 -03 , the world had its own troubles and wouldnt think twice about south africa,, again at the very same time .your nation ,attacked spanish colonies of cuba,guam,puerto rico and the phillipines, you,ll find up to a million phillipinos died ,in their attempt for freedom , and in the pacification that followed you to herded civilians into camps to, its little heared of ,but what you did in the phillipines was far worse than south africa
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You haven't put me anywhere, limey. You just continue to show yourself as the smug, insensitive putz that you are by staying on this site, which is a memorial to the victims of some of your country's past brutality.
I can appreciate that not all Brits think like you---you should watch the BBC version of the Boer War on You Tube. It's a little more unbiased, and the narrator at least acknowledges British war crimes during that conflict, and shows some real remorse.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini ive never glorified what went on in south africa , at all , what i did say was ,once the conditions were known in the UK what conditions were like , a commission was sent to see for themselves, civilian authorities took over , the camps improved and the death count fell,, people like you ,talk as if the british set out to murder these people. as in nazi death camps , i say we did not
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I'll tell you what you should put in place---try fixing that f**king mess in the Gulf that one of your incompetant oil companies has created! That sh*t is going to destroy the economies of every southern state bordering the gulf. But what should we expect from a second-rate power that dreams about it's glory days of empire and still worships their "royalty". What do you think about Fergie, huh? lol
Off the subject, I know, but you've been doing it enough.
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TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I seriously doubt your royals are admired that much by a majority of Americans . . .I think many regard them with curious amusement, and most of us think they're a joke.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini as for royals , its funny how much air time your country gives to them, and how your celebrities , fall over themselves to get near them when they visit, what about your "royal family", the kennedys , lol , once lead by that old bastard joe ,anti british to, importing scotch whiskey yo america while london was bombed , made deals with the mafia,unions to get JF,voted in .just, an adulterer,and almost started ww3
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish , oh yes , his brother, bobby ,both shagging marlylin monroe, lol, both assasinated because they were so loved ,and eddy , leaving a woman to drown, then going back to a party, a supporter of the IRA along with bobbys eldest son, nephews accused of rape,then hey presto ,off free, wiiliam smith was it, shame about john jr ,seemed the most normal of the lot ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
not to mention how many other presidents shot or killed , lol , ford was shot, as was regan, a plot against carter foiled, , oh forgot about clinton and his famous cigar trick , lol , you talk of royalty , yet these people have their finger on the button,, methinks just how long the messiah , obama ,will last , with the track record of lunatic fringes in the US ,id be very weary if i was him, , just going on your history
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Wow, now you're babbling on about Obama and the Kennedy's, Marilyn Monroe, the IRA and the mafia! What, pray tell, do any of them have to do with the murder of the Boer women and children in the British concentration camps???
Your arguments for trying to defend your country's atrocities in that war are getting more absurd with every post you make.
Sepemini 1 year ago
@Sepemini your the one who brought up fergie and our royal family mate ,, what had that to do with the subject either ,, i just commented our royal family compared to your fine examples of head of state lol
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Sepemini haha i thought you ment the gulf in the middle east , ahthe gulf of mexico , lol , your as bad as your anti british president , just because its BP , it could of been any oil company , insted of being heart broken , he sould get together with bp to fix the leak , i say anti british as he goes on about his grandad arrested by british, boo hoo. the rig that blew up,wasnt even bp but a sub contractor,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Sepemini an the way you say genocidal policies is a joke , did we go anywhere like the spanish , and wipe out an entire nation or people like the spanish with the incas. and aztecs, or the germans in africa whos policy from the top was to exterminate everyone, sherman to with his policy to wipe out all native americans plains indians ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Sepemini , bit funny how , our empire, nearly every country stayed in the commonwealth , and we have good relations with almost all to ,today, and if we were as bad as you would like to think , none would of stayed ,, empire , america only wanted it to end so they could have influence yourself , youve done a pretty good job of empire building yourself , with far worse human rights abuses than us , people in glass houses mate
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Tell me, what country used to boast that the sun never set on their empire? America has never done anywhere near the worldwide conquering and plundering that the British did. Again, quit trying to deflect the arguments away from the atrocities that your country committed in the Boer War, because that's what this particular video is about. All the criticism in this thread, by many others besides me, about these cruel concentration camps is well deserved.
Sepemini 1 year ago
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TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish funny you talk bout the irish, "The Celtic grazing lands of... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonized... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland.. Pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots. (Great Famine-wiki)
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 as for the irish , it hasnt anything to to with the subject of concentration camps ,and wether the british killed these people intentionally , as for the hungry consumer market,, in victorian times most working class , couldnt afford meat as most were as poor as the irish ,many lving in worse housing and worse conditions than the irish were,impoverished and malnourished themselves ,we did have many farms here to ,plus imports from all over the empires, we did not rely on irish food
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 bad for the civilians dieing of malnutrition and desiease becuase the poms didnt want to spend money on it. we may look at it thru 21st century eyes, but food and medicine has been around for more then 100 years.
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 it was desease and bad planning of the camps, they were never extermination camps , as likend to nazi german camps, the object wasnt to wipe out these boer civilians ,they could of done that on their farms, to crowded and sanitation and almost none existent,, not a lot medicine wise could of been done because if that was the case ,the 14,000 or so british troops who died of desease also could of been saved,the aussies were involved to you know
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 bad for the civilians dieing of malnutrition and desiease becuase the poms didnt want to spend money on it. we may look at it thru 21st century eyes, but food and medicine has been around for more then 100 years. you keep saying that more brits died, is that to make ure self feel better that the british army purposly put civilians in to a confined space with inadiquate sanitation or food supplies. dont try to tell me that britain did the right thing.
Kokoda144 1 year ago
@Kokoda144 yes it does make me feel better ,because the comparison is always with the nazis , whose orders came from the very top , the order to wipe out whole peoples, a hatred of a people ,out and out brutality torture and extermination, it was a completely different situation, the orders were not from parliament, most british didnt even know, and once it was known the condition in the camps, the conditions in the camps were improved and death rates lowered
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
After the Boer War had already finished, two Boer officers were tried and executed for "miss-use of the flag of truce." Will they get a pardon too? Kitchener bears a far greater burden of guilt - that of the deaths of 24,000 Boer children and 3,000 Boer women in the British Concentration camps. That death toll amounted to a full 50%! of the Boer child population at that time. 20,000 Black Africans also died in the British Camps.
Rhodaf101 2 years ago
Feb 2010 The Aussies want the Queen to pardon Breaker Morant & Peter Handcock for their murders of Boer prisoners. At least Morant and Handcock had the luxury of a court martial. The men they murdered didn't even get questioned, much less tried. Morant and Handcock were cold blooded murderers and do not deserve a pardon. Claims by NAZI war criminals in WW2 that they "were only following orders" were not taken into account when they were sentenced to death so why should it apply to this pair.
Rhodaf101 2 years ago
@Rhodaf101 - They were just fighting the Boers the same way as they fought them.
Celtic450 1 year ago
@Celtic450 there is no reported account of boers killing unarmed soldiers or british civilians!!
thaeragc 1 year ago
@thaeragc Then why did morant do what i did after his friend Hunt was mutilated?
Celtic450 1 year ago
@Rhodaf101 dont know the the full story of breaker morant ,but in the film they suspected that a minister of passing information on to the boers , dont know wether he was german or dutch , the unit breaker morant was in was based on the boer commando, to fight just like them, their unit was ambushed and they suspected that minister , who they shot , the trail was to placate the boers ,when the hostilities were near the end,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@Rhodaf101 after the trial , and before ww1 , the aussies told the british for no aussie to be shot during ww1 ,
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getclaped123 2 years ago
Sorry Bokkies, but honestly get over it, it happened more than a 100 years ago.
pscucailin 2 years ago
I am sorry but I cannot agree with you that this matter should be forgotten, in the same way that massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 should not be forgotten or the destruction of the red Indian nations by the US settlers over a 150 years ago. Events like this one have been hidden from the world's view by the British for far too long and they must live with the "Crimes against Humanity" and "War Crimes" they comitted and be reminded again and again what took place in South Africa.
Seioghe 2 years ago 2
@Seioghe But its not a warcrime building concentration camps. The warcrime was the boers dressing in British uniform looted from corpses. The warcrime was the "innocent" woman and children harbouring and supplying the guerrilla boers. The British responded by building concentration camps to stop the civilians from doing this.
sapmmer 2 years ago
When an occupying army incarcerates the civilian population in a concentration camp and then fails to adequately provide for the internees, thus causing unecessary deaths, that act must then become a "crime against humanity", and this is what the British did.
Seioghe 2 years ago
@Seioghe Yes, many of the deaths were avoidable, but the British Army expected the concentrated civilian population to make their own facilities. However they chose the civil disobedience route and didn't build them.
The British public was disgusted when they found out what was going on they immediatly stepped in to help the Boers concentrated in the camps.
And it was no where near a destruction of a race, so it was not a genocide.
sapmmer 2 years ago
Genocide includes the destruction of part of a people, the British did this by selectively killing woman and children whether by intent or indifference , matters not. I do not accept the civil disobedience story; those woman wanted their children to live. Emily Hobhouse is still revered but Kitchener is still reviled. The overall British policy may have been to providie the mines with cheap (boer) labour by driving them from the land. Refer to the Carnegie report c1930
Seioghe 2 years ago
The Boers were fighting a liberation war against an occupying army therefore guerilla tactics are legitimate. The destruction of houses and livestock were "war crimes". The Boer soldiers were barely clothed and often barefoot, , many were dressed in hessian sacking rags. It is a custom in a guerilla war to obtain your supplies from the enemy and this is what the Boers did. Those captured in British uniforms were shot out of hand or given a summary trial and then executed.
Seioghe 2 years ago
@Seioghe The guerilla war inwhich they fought was illigal under the rules of war at the time. They did not fight in a recognised uniform, and they went home (or another farmstead) and expected to be treated as farmers.
The scorched earth policy was practiced on those that did this. And it is not a warcrime to destroy your enemies base of operations, whether it be an underground bunker or a farm house, it is being used for military purposes.
sapmmer 2 years ago
The Boers had no standing army other than the State Artillery, which wore uniforms. When called up for Commando duty, the Boers equipped and clothed themselves, the British were well aware of this after the First Boer War. The destruction by the British of the farms occupied by woman and children and the killing of their livestock was equivelent to the worst atrocities committed in WW11 by the occupying Nazi's. The great powers decide the rules of war, look at the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Seioghe 2 years ago
Good grief I am astounded at how backwards you have it as the war crime was the killing of civilians in the concentration camps. How can you insinuate that the Boer struggle to remain free from colonization was the "war crime"?! The British invaded two sovereign Boer Republics - which were recognized by Britain / Holland / France / Germany / Belgium & the United States of America - therefore the Boers guerrilla tactics were entirely legitimate in response to British aggression.
Pinard7 2 years ago
@Pinard7 It was not a colonisation attempt.
It was a dispuit over the treatment of non-boer people mining the gold, and how they were not being treated properly.
sapmmer 2 years ago
That is purer nonsense because it has long since been exposed that that assertion was just a pretext for the British to conquer the Boer Republics because President Paul Kruger bent over backwards in attempting to accommodate the British & agreed to very lenient rules for the Uitlanders but the British still refused as they wanted a pretext to go to war with the Boer Republics. President Marthinus Steyn of the Orange Free State went out of his way to prevent war but the British were determined.
Pinard7 2 years ago
@Pinard7 And this party can say exactly the same.
I would say both parties were determined in what they wanted. The Boer Republics wanted boer supremacy (and who can blame them, you don't want these uitlanders coming in and taking your jobs), and Britain wanted the best for the Uitlanders (as many of them were British), which would inevitably mean taking controll of the gold mining in South Africa, which would be impossible without controlling the Boer Republics.
sapmmer 2 years ago
no way the British were openly hegemonists , they treated the Boers like cattle ,they were quite open in their desire
to kill as may Boer civilians and soldiers as they could . There was no precedent for what they did in the concentration camps . Unless you think places like Andersonville and Point Lookout were legitimate . Lord Kitchner was A pompous incompetent
ass who slaughtered countless people and both sides.
duaneburnett 2 years ago
@duaneburnett
You summed Lord Kitchner in one. Once the British public got wind of what was going on there were radical efforts to try and improve conditions in the camps.
And it was not the aim to kill as many civilians as they could, that was just an unfortunate unforeseen consenquence that had a dramatic effect, and was not picked up on untill it was too late.
Would you risk civilians supplying and harbouring your enemy?
I wouldn't. Although I wouldn't have had all the deception