the fetus and the mother share fluids. read the anatomy and physiology books. your opinion are yours. you place your arguments badly. and you even made this video. i pity you, man.
dude, you're misinformed and you need to know a lot of things.
a fetus is a human. why? because fetus has a soul. the fact that you are alive because you have a soul. after coitus (or sexual intercourse), when a sperm and an egg fertilizes, it becomes "human" ONLY when it is infused with a SOUL.
man, if you don't believe in souls, you are missing a lot...your whole life perhaps!
@roadrunner07grace One must keep in mind that the belief in the 'soul' is religious based and not everyone may share it. This video is simply one persons views and opinion.
@roadrunner07grace A soul isn't factual, it's faith based. Don't get me wrong, not saying I disagree with the opinion that they exist. Just, a soul can't be scientifically proven...
Terri Schiavo wasn't completely brain dead... she did have some brain function.
I had a friend who was abused by an older family member... at the age of 12, she became pregnant. She didn't realize she was pregnant until after she had missed her 2nd period. That is well after 40 days.
Comparing humans who have been born to a fetus doesn't work, seeing as no other form of human is dependant on ONE human being for everything. Also, more women die during childbirth than abortions.
@violetkitten831 "Terri Schiavo's brain was half gone" that was the statement made by the person who did her autopsy. she was proven in court to be blind and deaf by her husband, her father and her mother long before her last trial which made national news. Terri didn't have most of her brain functioning. aside from that I agree with you and this persons assertion that a fetus isn't part of the mother because of diffusion is BS if thats the case then neither are your brain cells you.
@violetkitten831 considering we only use 5 to 10% of our brains for cognitive ability, considering that it only takes a few damaged cells to create a mental disorder like schizophrenia, considering all the subsystems in our brain that shut down because of damage to the main section, considering she had been in a coma for 15 years without saying a single word I don't believe i did prove your point because the part of her brain that made her her has been gone for along time.
@MyChaoticPeace Um, no. guess again. OMG is initialism and is always capitalized just like acronyms. Capitalizing abbreviations is basic rules of English. Duh. blah blah blah all you do is make up shit then call it an opinion nobody is below your intellectually not even inanimate objects. you are so full of shit its unbelievable. the fact that at this point the only thing you can do is nit pick at typos shows how truly pathetic you and your position really is.
@karn33333 Not in forum based conversation. It can become a form of 'emot' and is therefore subject to the same emotional stress indicators as any other. However, if you would like to turn this into a formal correspondence I would like to ask that you pay much closer attention to your grammatical and spelling abilities. Perhaps 'buff up' on them before continuing? I'd hate to have my I.Q. drop trying to read your drivel.
@MyChaoticPeace oh i am sorry i didn't realize you were supreme dictator over which grammar rules are suppose to be used and not to be used in an online forum. all bow down to the self righteous self center bitch of the internet. why you can't even read the sentence right in the first fucking place you have misquoted me so many god damn times i am starting to think you are bush jr.
@karn33333 Lol (note lol does not have to be capitalized at all times and depends on the level of laughter you are trying to portray), I simply know what I'm doing when I type. Capitalize your 'a' in all, 'w' in why, your 'i's, and your pronouns Mr. Higher Inelligence. :). I wouldn't want you to prove your statement a falsehood, would you?
@MyChaoticPeace first of all actually it does, all abbreviation are to be capitalized it's a basic english rule. this is not an english paper. this is not a professional paper. this is just a comments page. the high and mighty would be you. when you failed to have any real argument you resorted to being a grammar nazi and a bad one at that. it doesn't matter if i capitalize my i's or if i capitalize the first word of every sentence you should still know what i am saying.
@MyChaoticPeace the only time grammar is important in a forum like this is when the other person can't understand you. or if you are not actually saying what you mean. the words you use will define how someone is suppose to comprehend what you are saying not whether or not something is capitalized.
@karn33333 The only time grammar is important is when you're using it. You won't find me claiming a higher intelligence than anyone else without backing it up in one of the most fundamental fashions. Besides that, why would anyone take you seriously anywhere if you can't represent youself to the fullest in every situation? The way you present yourself intellectually, visually, and in mannerism is how people see you. You present yourself ignorantly, I don't... Case closed I suppose.
@MyChaoticPeace you haven't backed up a single thing the entire time you have been posting. you still haven't even backed up your claim that you could prove god is against abortion.
@karn33333 To your standard I suppose I can't not for lack of evidence though... Simply because you seem to be agnostic. I only say this because you said you don't believe in the Bible because a human wrote it. Then you stated you only believe in it if you hear it from the source or see it. Therefore, apart from God speaking to you, no one can. Don't take my word for it though, review your own posts. :)
@MyChaoticPeace just so you know "I can't not" is grammatically wrong. can't means can not saying can not not is a double negative. so much for you being smarter.
@karn33333 Sorry, let me correct "Can't not" should be "Can't, not for lack of evidence though." had you gone the extra step to consider the context and told me, "You forgot your comma" I might have been impressed. However, you corrected me incorrectly lol. So this turned into an example of how you don't really understand what you're reading. :)
@MyChaoticPeace because in one post you call people who have an abortion murderers, and in the very next post you say you didn't call them murderers which is really funny coming from someone who claimed i couldn't follow a conversation.
@karn33333 I didn't call them muderers I said thats how I felt and then I continued to say I know I don't have the right to say it and I don't go off and ridicule them. I even continued to say that I was so firm that people needed to make the choice for themselves that when one of my closest friends made the choice I went with her so she didn't have to be alone. I find it hard to believe you just missed the rest of that post. But considering Youtube just dropped another of my posts...
@MyChaoticPeace yes you did call them murderers here again is a copy and paste of your actual text "A baby, if murdered in the womb by a unwilling mother, can be counted as murder - whats the difference if the mother does it herself?" this is you calling them murderers. if the baby is murdered and you are saying the mother did it that would make the mother a murderer.
@karn33333 Thats later on in the forum. Thats me saying how the Courts treat it not my personal opinion. I'm also stating that I find it stupid for the Courts to find it murder in one context and not the other. Whether they choose to stop calling it murder in trials or not is up to them, but some consistancy in it all would be nice. I believe you misunderstood my meaning.
@karn33333 No problem, I'll warn you though my Fiance came home so I'm going to want to head to bed with him soon. If I don't get the chance to respond right away it's not because I'm not interested because I find other religions interesting to hear about.
@MyChaoticPeace i didn't correct you incorrectly because there is no way for me to know you meant for a comma to be there. i can't read your mind and that sentence is iffy at best.
@karn33333 Most sentences are subjective but that sentence as a whole I feel was pretty clear, however, as the room is cooling off I'm feeling rather calm and I suppose I can see that someone who isn't hearing the way it's vocalized might find that confusing. The inflections make a good portion of a sentence.
@MyChaoticPeace how can I seam to be agnostic when i have told you flat out that i am not agnostic and i am not an atheist was there some part of that you didn't understand? no i said i don't believe in the bible. just because someone doesn't believe in the bible doesn't make them an atheist or an agnostic. I said the bible is not proof god said anything because it was written by man. no i said it can only be proven if you have verifiable proof of the source.
@karn33333 How can you not be? Unless you're saying God speaks to you? If you don't believe in second hand information how can you believe in God? I don't care what God anyone believes in, I'm using the Bible as an example because it was the subject of our forum at the time that you made your statement. You said you don't believe in it, and the reason you said you didn't was because it was second hand information, hearsay. Unless your particular God speaks to you... Well, I'm sure you get it...
@MyChaoticPeace first of all ... again... religion and god are two different things. it amazes me that you can't understand that. believing in god and believing god said something are two very different things. not all religions have text that claim they are from god. the bible was never the subject of our conversation you assumed that god = the bible which is a fallacy. jesus christ i just explained this to you did you not read the other post? thats not what i said go back and reread.
@karn33333 Ah, I see what you're implying now this comment cleared a lot up. Your other posts make more sense now as well. May I ask then how you formed your religion and to wait God you follow? I would be interested to know how you learned of your God and or his teachings or if it's simply a higher power that you follow.
@MyChaoticPeace I will tell you on one condition, and I will agree to this condition as well, not just for respecting one another but respecting all people and perspectives on religion and god. we make no insults on religion, god, or faith of ANY KIND. these things are sacred even if you don't believe in them. if you promise I will continue with my explanation and answer your question.
@MyChaoticPeace OK to start off I am a druid. I believe in mother Earth and father Sun. my religion dictates a worship of nature, and a pursuit of knowledge/wisdom. there is no written doctrine. it use to take 20 years to be a druid. all teachings were done orally and thats why it use to take 20 years to make sure things were learned correctly. it was done orally so no enemy civilization could know the knowledge of the Celtic people knowledge is power and that power can be used against you.
@karn33333 Is it anything like traditional Wicca?? I know they believe in worshiping nature and such but there are a lot of versions of it. I know they have mostly Goddesses though if I remember correctly. How did you come upon it? Was it introduced to you by someone or did you find in in reading?
@MyChaoticPeace actually most of wicca is taken from from the Celtic belief system. wicca is a combination of variously stolen beliefs and meshed together. wicca is to Druidism as johova witnesses are to christianity if that makes any sense. the reason there are so many different wiccan beliefs is because various writers include gods and goddesses from all the ancient civilizations thats why you will find greek, roman, celtic, norse, teutonic, and other civs gods in their pantheon.
@karn33333 I've noticed as well that after Wicca became somewhat of a 'fad' some companies warped it in odd ways to market it to particular groups. I don't mean this to sound rude and I hope it doesn't but I know many people that practice Wicca were met with a lot of... not so respectful replies, do you have the same problem? I ask because I often wonder if much of the back lash on Wicca was due to the idea it was satanic by nature even though it isn't really.
@MyChaoticPeace now i am not bashing wicca, if anything i am bashing the writers of the books because they do it to make profit and claim its all true. when really they rarely do their home work. but they are both nature based. there is two parts to wicca. the first part is the religion which is what deity do you worship, and the craft which is casting spells doing rituals and so forth. since 90% of the religion is female more goddesses are worshiped then gods. obviously.
@MyChaoticPeace it more or less found me. this really started when i was a baby. when i was three years old nature gave me a mountain. it was my mountain. I couldn't prove it. but i knew it with every fiber in my very being. it was mine by sacred right. it wasn't I wanted it there for it was mine it was nature gave it to me so its mine. even today looking back at how emphatically i knew that. from there it just grew deeper and deeper one day the word druid fit me like a suited me just as my name
@karn33333 Thats really cool :). Now is there a particular version you follow with? Are there more then one type of Druid? How did you go about finding where you could learn about it? I ask becuase it's such an uncommon religion. You're the first person I've ever encountered that follows it.
@MyChaoticPeace actually it should be in your comments. but we know god because we study nature. to study nature IS to study god because god is nature nature is god. in a christian perspective i would explain that nature created god, and god created a lot of other things. I personally don't think a person can be a druid and a christian at the same time because if you study the bible and look at the facts a druid would have to conclude that the bible is false because of his oath in order to be a
@MyChaoticPeace druid. the oath as i have said before is the oath to knowledge/wisodm and a druid needs to be a scientist first and a spiritualist second if that makes any sense. not that i am bashing christianity but it does take a lot on faith.
@karn33333 That does make sense. I know my religion is faith based. I don't find it insulting for you to reference that fact and hold it side by side to anothers belief, i.e. your own :)
@MyChaoticPeace from what I have seen the best source for accurate knowledge is "A brief history of the druids" by Peter Berresford Ellis. I have not read the book completely but he seams to be the fore most authority on the mater. I have read some of his work and it seams to have all the accurate information separating myth from reality, which is really hard to do on this subject. I am also currently writing my own book on the subject. I am writing what is important now for a druid and the past
@MyChaoticPeace is mostly irrelevant to a modern day practitioner. what isn't irrelevant is the core beliefs and the principles at heart.
as for different kinds of druids no two druids are going to be the same because taking an aspects of nature is huge. there are all sorts to derive your beliefs from. I understand what you are saying. but it doesn't apply so much to our for lack of a better word people. there use to be classes of druids but in this day and age not any more. not really.
@MyChaoticPeace ah no i am the first person you are AWARE that follows it. No two druids will agree on everything about nature. there are a lot of people who call them selves druids but are just pretenders you have that in all religions. people seam to love throwing a label on themselves and then defining the label as their character. I joined a grove in cincinati. it was part of the American Druid Federation. I have considered myself pagan since I officially left christianity for good.
@karn33333 I suppose thats true. It isn't something you hear about often though. Are there any books that are accurate to your religion or is it really something you'd have to talk to someone in depth with to have a good understanding of it? Do you find common trends of personality? For instance I notice that in the Christian religions you have three types fire and brimstone, laid back but still reserved and then the title only for the most part followers. You know what I mean??
@MyChaoticPeace for all intents and purposes the religion, practices, and the specific beliefs of the druids ARE DEAD! it is essentially a dead language. there are people who claim that the druids went underground for hundreds of years after the fall of the Celtic people but there is no way to verify their story because all the teachings were passed on orally. anyone can claim something like that and its hard to prove a negative.
@karn33333 How can you not be? Unless you're saying God speaks to you? If you don't believe in second hand information how can you believe in God? I don't care what God anyone believes in, I'm using the Bible as an example because it was the subject of our forum at the time that you made your statement. You said you don't believe in it, and the reason you said you didn't was because it was second hand information, hearsay. Unless your particular God speaks to you... Well, I'm sure you get it...
@MyChaoticPeace and once again i have to repeat the same thing to you over and over again because you fail to comprehend even the simplest shit. anyone can say god said this god said that that is called hearsay, even in a court of law that is not even allowed to be admitted as evidence. you have not even proven god exist let alone that god said anything about anything.
@karn33333 Lolz, you aren't making any more points for me to pay any attention to. You're just going on and on. I'm tired of repeating myself when you don't comprehend anything. I'm not one to 'beat a dead horse'... I like that description when applied to you... The dead horse and you have much in common... intellectually speaking of course :) However, I do consider you a mildl source of entertainment while I wait for my fiance to get home :). You're good for a laugh or two...
@MyChaoticPeace oh please your a joke. every thing you have typed is an illogical fallacy, or some random shit you made up out of no where. when those fail all you can do is make childish insults. seriously your a joke.
@karn33333 *'your' should be 'you're'* LOL!!!!! (note the capital letters showing a loud and delighted laugh) I'm not the one clinging to ignorant cussing and name calling. Use you're adult form of speaking and people may treat you better. Just a thought :). You should mull it over :)
@MyChaoticPeace childish antics? your one to talk when you lose an argument the first thing you do is make up shit about people. so what if i do use profanity? your going to tell my your some how better because you don't use profanity?
uh no a hypothesis is tested. an opinion still has to be based on some fact. an opinion can still be wrong. only a subjective opinion can't be wrong. I say plenty your just to stupid to pick it all up.
@MyChaoticPeace no you only claim i get hot under the collar once again you making up shit without being able to back it up. there is a huge difference between something being on a house and something being in a house and yet that is only slightly different in wording with huge difference in meaning.
@karn33333 BecauseI don't cuss? Not at all. Because you can't seem to back up your claims of being more intelligent? Of course. Because you get hot under the collar enough over a woman states away from you? Perhaps. Because you can't follow a conversation? I think so. Because you can't understand the general meaning of anything you read? I suppose...
@karn33333 That had been a lovely comment I posted but my cat jumped on my desk and deleted it... Now YouTube is giving me a hard time about reposting it.... Stupid site. I'll see about getting it back up, sorry for any trouble it'll cause you, I know you have a terrible memory...
@karn33333 I just said that. Well, no. I didn't come right out and say that, I implied it so I'll say what I'm thinking clearly. Perhaps, you really didn't see the other half of my posts because of a YouTube error. If that is the case I will offer up an appoligy for how I replied to you. I replied as though you disregarded the rest or my opinion and snapped back rather hard as a result. However, if you only saw the first half I would seem to have been the aggressive party.
@karn33333 Why cuss and come back to this forum after so long unless what I said really ticked you off. I find it humorous and reply as such but you? You cuss, you get heated, you try sooo hard... It's amusing :). Thats not slightly different on and in carry different meanings. Couch and Sofa are slightly different.
@MyChaoticPeace once again i told you i was really busy. i was spending 12 hours a day at school coming home cooking something while watching a movie and off to bed. sorry but youtube isn't the highlight of my day. i have a lot of shit i have to do and this is something i only do when i can't sleep. right now its really hot and even if i tried i couldn't sleep no matter what I do. once again you are making assumptions based on absolutely nothing. as a matter of fact i have been laughing at you
@karn33333 I have to say the weather is part the reason I'm on here right now too. It's like 80 degrees with high humidity and it's 12:45. My fiance is giving his brother a ride to his place and I'm sitting here next to my AC wishing I lived in Alaska or something. YouTube is hardly the best form of amusment but it passes the time on days, or nights like this -.-
@karn33333 'OMG' would imply strong emotion as it's capitalized. 'omg' would be a muttered show of irritation. Due to the fact that you're so far below me you don't warrent any sort of strong show of emotion. You might want to pay closer attention to what you're typing while trying to say you're more intelligent then others on a forum like this...
FYI - I'm sure you didn't mean 'ment'... I think you were looking for something more like 'meant'... You know, just throwing that out there.
"The pro-life movement is a political and social movement focused chiefly around opposition to abortion, and especially support for the criminalization of abortion."
"Some pro-life groups oppose the use or availability of contraception. The movement also includes opposition to euthanasia, the death penalty, human cloning, and research involving human embryonic stem cells"
I can't say I agree with the death penalty. I think that an adult in sound mind should have a choice for euthanasia rather then a slow and painful end but there would need to be stricked rules and requirments. Cloning is strange but I haven't done enough research to have a opinion on it that I can say. Adult collection of stem cells and umbilical cord collection I have no problems with.
Life = rights from conception to death. You sit there and say just because people don't agree with the destruction of a baby while the baby is in the mothers womb that they don't believe in the quiality of life? You're wrong. They do. From start to finish. Instead of sitting around and not working to make life better for those in the system like you, you who sits there and says just kill them and avoid it, they try their best.
Life = rights from conception to death? can you even remotely back that statement up? i don't know about the state you live in but a fetus in this state isn't allowed to vote or drive. actually i didnt say that once again inability to understand even the simplest concept. excuse me but how do you know that i don't try to make the system better? how do you know i just sit here? see once again you are just making random assumptions about me without any evidence what so ever your pathetic.
'How do you know' Well for all you've talked about how terrible the system is, the only solution you've dished out is 'Pro abortion'. So if thats how you think you're 'helping the system'.... thats just sad....
As for a voting baby... thats grasping sweetie. You're making yourself look stupid again just by saying it when the answer is obvious. A baby isn't 18 in or out of the womb.
you said "You can't prove where life begins nor can I" if you can't prove where life begins then you can't prove that its murder, and there for you are anonymously slandering others. I'm not grasping dumb ass you completely failed to comprehend the point. read it again im sick of retyping absolutely everything just because your to stupid to read it correctly the first time.
I never said it was murder by definition. I said I think it's morally wrong. Now you're grasping at air... What are you running out of vomit to spew out? The point is, its a opinion based debate... what don't you get?
@MyChaoticPeace you said and I quote "A baby, if murdered in the womb by a unwilling mother, can be counted as murder - whats the difference if the mother does it herself?" then right after that your very next post is "I never said it was murder by definition" your still calling it murder you dumb fuck. you can't even follow your own part of the conversation LMFAO. no its not an opinion based debate. when you make an assertion the burden of proof is on you. if you can not prove your assertions
@MyChaoticPeace are completely meaningless whether you call it an opinion or not. Im sorry but whining and bitching about meaningless assertions isn't very mature either. in order to create change you have to deal with what you have before you can deal with more. even on an assembly lines when there is to much build up they stop the assemble line and deal with what then can, if you kept the line running you run your business into the ground, similarly YOU run species into the ground.
I don't know what state you live in but in mine after birth you still have to wait to become a legal adult. But regardless of adulthood or adolescence you still have the right to live. A baby, if murdered in the womb by a unwilling mother, can be counted as murder - whats the difference if the mother does it herself?
you show how hypocritical you are. but why add to the problem by shoving more unwanted children into a system that can't handle them, hurts the ones that are all ready there, and causes unnecessary additional problems just because a bunch of whiny ass self righteous busy bodies who don't understand even the simplest biology concepts make a big fuss about it? once again its a fetus and depending development little more then organic goo, calling it murder is joke.
You show how immature you are. In order to create change you have to deal with the problem head on, not avoid it by simply destroying the source. The source in this case being unborn children. If you don't like the system, do something about it, don't avoid it. I don't think believing people should take responsibility for their own actions is self righteous, I think it's one of the most basic concepts we learn as children.
@MyChaoticPeace your assertion that i am "avoiding something" is ridiculous. I don't thing asking people to be responsible for their actions is self righteous either what i think is self righteous is someone who thinks they have the ultimate moral high ground at every turn that would be you. taking responsibility for ones own actions can be done in many ways. self righteous is when you expect people to do things ONLY YOUR way because its the ONLY way that's right and that's just wrong .
I feel it's self centered and selfish to destroy a growing life just because you don't want to interrupt your day with the need to care for what you've created with someone else.
@MyChaoticPeace i think its self centered to dictate that your OPINIONS are suppose to dictate the actions of others. you are also misconstruing the main reason most people have an abortion it isn't because its "inconvenient for them" its because its the best choice for them, and often the best choice for the fetus. just like when a baby is born with anencephalopathy, but instead of a medical reason they use a social economical reason and or environmental reason.
pro birth does not = pro life. pro means for and we have already posted enough definitions for life for me to copy and paste it. especially when an 8 year old has to ask his mommy and the doctors why he has to die, because some douche bag like you prevented his mom from getting an abortion which would have stopped all his pain and suffering. you know the 8 year old boy i mentioned before who spent his entire life in hospitals hooked up to machines.
Oh lord, you're still around? Can't you just... I don't know... go away? Every time you post and I have to even know my IQ drops by a half a point...
There is a big difference between aborting just cause you spread your legs like a slut over and over again and you don't want to deal with a child, and finding out your child will never live outside of a hospital.
However, because of a douche bag like you I may not have ever been here :) Yeah the docs said my chances were down the drain but, guess whos kicking? After I made it out of the woods as a baby not only were there absolutely no complications but I turned with a better immune system then most and had the horrible misfortune to never have to miss school if I didn't want to ^^. Not that it mattered cause by middle school I tested college level :) So douche bag, what now?
Are you done wasting my time with this ancient debate? Are you done trying to prove your opinion correct? You know... that thing that can't be either right or wrong unless proven by scientific method to be factual... you know cause then it wouldn't be an opinion... no, it would be a fact...
Fact - a statement that can be PROVEN
Opinion - a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
So... now that you understand the meaning and difference between fact and opinion you think you can lighten up on the 'you're wrong'? Cause it's getting really old... Well maybe you don't understand... I mean I have explained this like three times before and you didn't get it... I even said lets agree to disagree but you're too much of a stubborn adolescent to grasp that concept...
You'll keep going huh? Great... This is the nut that never stops... yes his name is Karn3so on. MyChaotic posted but she'll never ever stop cause he'll continue whining his ass off forever more yes it's the nut that never stops.... his name is karn3so on and on ... ah... all in a day I suppose... all in a day...
First of all if anyone has done any whining at all here its been your sorry ass. Second of all having an opinion doesn't make you or that opinion right just because you refuse to look at facts and maintain really stupid beliefs. Actually its you who has been trying to prove opinion correct, I have done nothing but disprove your "facts" and what you call "logic". It doesn't matter how many times you explain that 5 + 5 = 2 its still wrong. you haven't said lets agree to disagree no what you did
Haha, right. The only thing I've done is laugh at your lack of understanding and lack of ability to follow a conversation. I already explained the meanings of an opinion. Now if someone says something completely off the wall and stupid with no actual conviction in the belief then it's not an opinion its garbage. This is a opinion based debate therefore neither of us are wrong so long as we aren't grasping at impossibilities. Mathmatics are facts not opinions. You're confusing the two yet again.
no all you have done is say blah blah blah your stupid blah blah blah your stupid blah blah blah. yeah you've explained the meaning and then botched it. well according to your definition all you have done is spew garbage every "opinion" you have has been completely off the wall. I didnt confuse the two, I used an analogy are you seriously telling me your to stupid to understand even the simplest analogy? and you laugh at my lack of understand LMFAO. wow you have got to be the biggest hypocrite
First of all you have no Idea what i have or have not done to improve the system. that's just another dumb fuck assumption you've made. you have accused me of not being able to follow a conversation, the truth is you make so many fucked up assumptions based on absolutely nothing you live in a fantasy life. shit it would take me 30 post to just quote all random outrageous assumptions you've made during this debate. you have yet to quote me accurately once. and you call me stupid once again
Ah and you have no idea what I've done, so now that it's established, let's stop calling into question who has done or is supporting more damage to the system. If you'll recall you were the first to bring this part of the convo up. Now you seem to be getting a little hot under the collar Karn remember, "He who angers you, conquers you."
@MyChaoticPeace wow you are really pathetic five minutes after you tell me how immature I am about not fixing the system you want to stop calling into question whos done what for the system. LMFAO of course you do that way you can make another bullshit assertion and not be challenged by it. actually no this was brought up by you telling me how i just sit here bitching about a system and not doing nothing to help, a bullshit assertion by you with no fucking idea of what i spend my days doing.
@MyChaoticPeace wow another bullshit assumption. seriously where do you get all these absolutely ridiculous out of no where assumptions? do you make up like this in your real life and if so do you seek treatment for paranoid schizophrenia? where do you get "that i seem to be hot under the collar?"
@karn33333 omg, you really don't have a life if you're STILL coming back here desperate to try and prove somehing. I don't have time to deal with your inferior intellect. When you learn the difference between opinion and fact I'll consider giving you the time of day.
@MyChaoticPeace the inability to provide one single shred of evidence is not an opinion. make shit up isn't an opinion. if anyone didn't know the difference between fact and opinion that would be you. you have yet to state one single fact in all the bullshit assertions you made. actually its because i have a life that it takes me a while to get back to responses no matter how infantile they are.
@karn33333 The inability to understand a single comment posted is not the fault of anyone but yourself Karn. If you didn't know the difference between 'fact'- a thing, idea, or outcome that can be proven by scientific method and an 'opinion'- a stance taken on a subject, idea, or thing that can not be proven. Then you shouldn't have tried to enter into an opinion based debate with any hope of success. You only Fustrate yourself and those who have to repeatedly explain the Fundamentals in vain.
@MyChaoticPeace once again you are making shit up. making your own definition doesn't make you right. those are not the definitions for those words. thats why you fail at every turn to understand the simplest concept, because you keep making shit up instead of actually learning something. the definition of fact is "a truth known by actual experience or observation" an opinion is a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. get your shit right damn
@karn33333 I already cut and pasted multiple definitions of fact and opinion from multiple sources for you and you didn't accept any of them. I simply selected one of the multitudes. They all mean the same thing. Actual experience or observation. That would be trial and witness. What do you suppose one does in life and or scientific method? Such foolishness and half hearted antics could only come from you Karn :)
@MyChaoticPeace yes you have copied and pasted the definitions multiple times and every time you failed to grasp their meaning seriously your dumber then dirt.
@karn33333 Lol, the meaning is the same no matter how you word it. A fact is anything proven fact or fiction, yes or no, black or white. An opinion is a belief, a theory, a stance on a unproven subject and so on that has yet to be proven, or can't be proven or tested... But please, don't take my word for it, ask your Mommy for help in understanding :)
@MyChaoticPeace actually the meaning isn't the same the words change the meaning. no a fact is not anything proven. a fact is a truth known by actual experience or observation. that is completely different and the fact you can't understand that shows your lack of understanding not mine. the only proof exist in math.
@karn33333 No it isn't :) It's proven via experience or obervation. It's tested, or seen to be true physically... Therefore, it's a fact. An opinion isn't. For someone that types so much you say very little.
@MyChaotic if my intellect is inferior why is it you failed to provide one single answer that wasn't a complete fallacy? if my intellect is inferior then why is it you have needed to make shit up during this entire argument in order to try and win it? if my intellect is inferior then why was it you who said "no opinion can be wrong until its proven wrong" and then proceed to claim that I don't know what an opinion is? once again i have never seen someone prove beyond all doubt their duplicity.
@karn33333 I did. You're just too stupid to understand what is being said. You seem to have more than a few issues to resolve educationally speaking...
@MyChaoticPeace no you didn't, and as far as understanding you failed to comprehend even the simplest shit out of a dictionary. you are beyond pathetic.
@karn33333 You have a redundancy issue... Thought you should know. Take a moment to review all comments from my first to my current and you'll find your wrong :)
If you don't want to thats fine. You're still funny :)
was send me really long fucking essays full of non sense laced with you calling me a idiot and insane for not agreeing with 300 times. that is not agreeing to disagree. I don't buy for a second that you have never been sick a single day of your life its more bullshit you're spewing to try and "prove" your right. what now? nothing now im not buying the scored at college level crap either.
Well, you are an idiot. You can't understand the difference between fact and opinion. "It doesn't matter how many times you explain that 5 + 5 = 2 its still wrong." correct as that is mathmatical tested and proven to be so. An 'opinion' can not be. An opinion is based on belief, theory, moral code, religion, and things of that nature. Facts are completely different from opinion.
"to try and "prove" your right." saying that is really pathetic. It's also very stupid and strengthens my 'opinion' of your mental state. I say this because I've said numerous times that neither I nor you can be proven correct or incorrect. Therefore, I'm not attempting to be proven right, simply for you to understand that this debate is in fact opinion based and there is no right answer. You seem to think your opinion is better then others.
no saying that isn't pathetic whats pathetic is the fact that you did that. you can say it all the times you want that doesn't make it right. As a matter of fact i have proven that most of the things you said were total bullshit. most of this debate isn't opinion based that's the thing you can't understand. Just because you form an opinion based off of nothing more then what you want to believe doesn't mean that opinion can't be wrong just because you don't want it to be wrong.
No, I will tell you whats getting really old the fact that the only argument you have is to mindlessly insult, and base everything on nothing more then your "opinions" which are just outlandish assumptions. like the assumption I don't have a religion or a belief in god. then you said I don't believe in god and claiming I do because I don't believe what you believe. you are a joke. plain and simple.
You said, everything is hearsay unless it's told directly from the source and is, as such, unbelievable. Therefore, you are making the distinct implication that you believe nothing unless proven by fact and or substantiated by the source. This means you must not have religion unless you've been had fed the basis for that religion by the source or by solid proof. My religion is faith based, as most are, and no religion can be proven or disproved thus the dilemma in religious differences.
for someone who claims I can't follow a conversation this entire paragraph is completely hypocritical. right off the bat the first sentence is not what I said at all. What I said was that YOU can't prove that abortion is against GOD. you can however prove that abortion is against your religion that I am not arguing. what you have yet to understand is that religion and god are two completely different things. You can't even prove god exist in the first place let alone prove god said something.
yeah i am the one whos retarded, you can't comprehend even the simplest definition even when every part of it is pointed out to you, you can't even tell the deference between false sentimentality and real sentimentality, and you failed to properly quote me at ever single turn yet im the one who is retarded yeah ok.
Ps I did some digging for the definition of Pro-birth... It's a unacknowledge term used by pro-abortionists lol. But if you use even the most basic search engine (wiki which is as basic as they come) it redirects to pro-life. So pro-birth is just a slang term for the very same thing that can be applied to different area's.
"Take the case of Casey and Kaylee Anthony. Casey (allegedly) killed her child because she "got in the way of partying and having fun". She was inconvenienced by the presence of her very own daughter and so what did she do? (Allegedly) Killed her daughter. And the public is outraged that a woman can kill a child for her own convenience. Are we really surprised? It happens every day -- in fact 3,000 times a day -- in this country with abortion. There is no difference. "
If this being is nourished and protected, it will proceed uninterrupted through the developmental stages of embryo, fetus, newborn, toddler, child, teen, adult and aged adult: one continuous existence. This being never develops into a pig, a frog or a tree, (or cancer,) but only into a human. This being is therefore, by definition, a living human being. No small or large amount of ordinary goo will do this.
"Within four days of fertilization, the sex of the zygote can be determined through microscopic techniques. Soon after one week of fertilization, the zygote contains the beginning of all major body structures. Fetal circulation occurs by three weeks - complete with heart and major blood vessels coursing through its quarter-inch frame. And at five weeks, all basic body systems are developing, including the brain and nervous system enabling the fetus to feel pain. "
The baby is autonomous of the mother and has been demonstrated successfully since the introduction of test tube babies. The ovum or the egg is fertilized with the sperm inside a laboratory facility. The zygote, a fertilized egg, begins to divide and grow looking like a bag of marbles even though it may be countries away from the mother.
Dr. Albert Liley, the renowned physiologist known as the "Father of Fetology" has stated, "Biologically, at no stage of development can we subscribe to the view that the unborn child is a mere appendage of the mother. Genetically, the mother and baby are separate individuals from conception."
Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of in vitro fertilization" notes about life's beginnings: "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." Continuing on his comments about the Supreme Court ruling on Roe vs. Wade he says, "To deny a truth (about when life begins) should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion."
If the medical community maintained consistency with this generally-accepted medical definition of human life, then we would condemn every abortion after the time when the average woman discovers she is pregnant. Every abortion, by the generally-accepted standards of medical science, aborts an innocent human life."
In simplistic terms, if an organ donor is in an automobile accident and is on life support in a hospital, the physician cannot pull the plug and donate the patients organs to others unless the patient is brain dead and his heart is not beating on its own.
At 40 days after conception, brain waves can be read on an EEG, or an electroencephalogram. (Dr. H. Hamlin, Life or Death by EEG, JAMA, Oct.12, 1964, p.113.)
Medical science already refers to a spontaneous heart rhythm and the presence of brain waves to determine whether someone is alive at the other spectrum of human existence.
At the average time when a woman is aware that she is pregnant (the fifth to sixth week after conception), the preborn human being living inside her is metabolizing nutrition, excreting waste, moving, sucking his or her thumb, growing, and doing many other things that non-living things just do not do. As early as 21 days after conception, the babys heart has begun to beat his or her own unique blood-type, often different than the mothers.
Biologically, from the moment of conception this new human being is not a part of the mothers body. Since when does a mothers body have male genitals, two brains, four kidneys? The preborn human being may be dependent upon the mother for nutrition, however, this does not diminish his or her humanity, but proves it. Moreover, dependence upon a parent for survival is not a capital crime.
When humans procreate, they dont make non-humans like slugs, monkeys, cactuses, bacteria, or any such thing. Emperically-verifiable proof is as close as your nearest abortion clinic: send a sample of an aborted fetus to a laboratory and have them test the DNA to see if its human or not. Genetically, a new human being comes into existence from the earliest moment of conception.
actually you would be surprized what people produce when they have sex. actually i have all the info i really need at my finger tips with my Anatomy and physiology book as well as credible biology websites online. actually you could just as well just send the same lab a human egg or sperm or a monkeys egg or sperm and they would be able to tell the difference as well so you still have not concluded that having an abortion is morally wrong, or that conception holds any meaning at all.
Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her.
Furthermore, that life is unquestionably human. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens. Human beings are products of conception, which is when a human male sperm unites with a human female oocyte (egg).
According to this definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species).
actually no according to this definition life starts in the testicles or ovaries. by this definition eggs are alive and sperm is alive as well not to mention the trillions of living cells through out the body. cell division of the eggs starts even before conception. LIFE started billions of years ago and has been an on going process. human beings are products of evolution. human beings reproduce through sexual reproduction.
You can't prove where life begins nor can I. You say you believe in God (but nothing from word of mouth or in a book that can't be proven to be actual words of God so you don't believe in any current faith known to man and you must only believe in a God that has spoken to you and let you know he is there lol) so really you don't believe in anything. You make half baked assumptions about other people but when they return the favor you whine like a baby.
You make shit up as you go, even going so far as to make up meaning to words that aren't there and disregarding the actual meanings that I've posted. You pretend to know everything when no one can really understand something as complex as life itself. And you say that morals and sentimentality have no meaning in a debate that's very meaning is whether or not abortion is murder (which is a moral subject matter). You're retarded.
Just because you had a bad time in the system you'd rather kill others then fix it for them? You'd rather let the problem continue and just kill all the unwanted children? To what end? Kids will still end up in the system. Loving parents will die and children who where once wanted will be abandoned later on. Your little 'the system sucks' is weak. Help fix it then.
not only have i witnessed for myself first hand how fucked up the system is, i have heard from others first hand how fucked up things are in the system. the system is fucked up, and all these as you put it "unwanted children" have horrifying things happen to them why would you wish this on someone? why would you force this on someone unless you are a sadistic fuck? you are one seriously fucked up person. even if i were to help and fix it doesnt change the fact that the system is still messed up.
"disregarding the actual meanings that I've posted." just because you post a meaning doesn't mean thats what the word means. and just because you have a serious problem with comprehension doesn't mean i change the meaning of words. i never pretended to know everything, but unlike you i do my research first then make my comments, and not try to justify crap just because of a political agenda. I never said morals have no meaning in a debate and i said false sentimentality has no place.
"You can't prove where life begins nor can I" thats been my point from the beginning this entire time, you've been saying life begins at conception. now you finally admit you can't prove that. and since you can't prove when life begins nor can you prove its murder to have an abortion. there for you can't prove its immoral to have an abortion there for it should not be illegal.
once again incorrect i dont believe in any current faith known to YOU. a lot of religions are not based off of word or of mouth or written books. "and you must only believe in a God that has spoken to you and let you know he is there lol" once again this is an assumption you have made and its wrong. when have i ever said god speaks directly to me? when have i ever claimed god said anything? Name one assumption i have made. the only one here making assumptions is you. i also have yet to "whine"
Why dont you go and explain to all the mothers that lost their babies unwillingly and that acknowledge their children as part of their family. All the woman that gave birth and the child died that they still had to name and bury.
Explain to my family who lost one of our own a few hours after birth that because he didnt make it to the amount of weeks someone else said is what mattered that he is less of a person and that the birth certificate that had to be accepted and the death certificate that had to be accepted are meaningless.
the fetus and the mother share fluids. read the anatomy and physiology books. your opinion are yours. you place your arguments badly. and you even made this video. i pity you, man.
roadrunner07grace 1 year ago
dude, you're misinformed and you need to know a lot of things.
a fetus is a human. why? because fetus has a soul. the fact that you are alive because you have a soul. after coitus (or sexual intercourse), when a sperm and an egg fertilizes, it becomes "human" ONLY when it is infused with a SOUL.
man, if you don't believe in souls, you are missing a lot...your whole life perhaps!
roadrunner07grace 1 year ago
@roadrunner07grace One must keep in mind that the belief in the 'soul' is religious based and not everyone may share it. This video is simply one persons views and opinion.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace that's why i commented with what's factual. =)
roadrunner07grace 1 year ago
@roadrunner07grace A soul isn't factual, it's faith based. Don't get me wrong, not saying I disagree with the opinion that they exist. Just, a soul can't be scientifically proven...
MyChaoticPeace 9 months ago
Terri Schiavo wasn't completely brain dead... she did have some brain function.
I had a friend who was abused by an older family member... at the age of 12, she became pregnant. She didn't realize she was pregnant until after she had missed her 2nd period. That is well after 40 days.
Comparing humans who have been born to a fetus doesn't work, seeing as no other form of human is dependant on ONE human being for everything. Also, more women die during childbirth than abortions.
violetkitten831 1 year ago
@violetkitten831 "Terri Schiavo's brain was half gone" that was the statement made by the person who did her autopsy. she was proven in court to be blind and deaf by her husband, her father and her mother long before her last trial which made national news. Terri didn't have most of her brain functioning. aside from that I agree with you and this persons assertion that a fetus isn't part of the mother because of diffusion is BS if thats the case then neither are your brain cells you.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Like I said... half gone, isn't all gone. Thank you for proving my point.
violetkitten831 1 year ago
@violetkitten831 considering we only use 5 to 10% of our brains for cognitive ability, considering that it only takes a few damaged cells to create a mental disorder like schizophrenia, considering all the subsystems in our brain that shut down because of damage to the main section, considering she had been in a coma for 15 years without saying a single word I don't believe i did prove your point because the part of her brain that made her her has been gone for along time.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 by has I'm sure you meant had... just going to throw that one out there.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace and yes i ment making shit up isn't an opinion, and I am sure you meant OMG instead of omg you know just throwing that out there.
karn33333 1 year ago
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MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace Um, no. guess again. OMG is initialism and is always capitalized just like acronyms. Capitalizing abbreviations is basic rules of English. Duh. blah blah blah all you do is make up shit then call it an opinion nobody is below your intellectually not even inanimate objects. you are so full of shit its unbelievable. the fact that at this point the only thing you can do is nit pick at typos shows how truly pathetic you and your position really is.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Not in forum based conversation. It can become a form of 'emot' and is therefore subject to the same emotional stress indicators as any other. However, if you would like to turn this into a formal correspondence I would like to ask that you pay much closer attention to your grammatical and spelling abilities. Perhaps 'buff up' on them before continuing? I'd hate to have my I.Q. drop trying to read your drivel.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace oh i am sorry i didn't realize you were supreme dictator over which grammar rules are suppose to be used and not to be used in an online forum. all bow down to the self righteous self center bitch of the internet. why you can't even read the sentence right in the first fucking place you have misquoted me so many god damn times i am starting to think you are bush jr.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Lol (note lol does not have to be capitalized at all times and depends on the level of laughter you are trying to portray), I simply know what I'm doing when I type. Capitalize your 'a' in all, 'w' in why, your 'i's, and your pronouns Mr. Higher Inelligence. :). I wouldn't want you to prove your statement a falsehood, would you?
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace first of all actually it does, all abbreviation are to be capitalized it's a basic english rule. this is not an english paper. this is not a professional paper. this is just a comments page. the high and mighty would be you. when you failed to have any real argument you resorted to being a grammar nazi and a bad one at that. it doesn't matter if i capitalize my i's or if i capitalize the first word of every sentence you should still know what i am saying.
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace the only time grammar is important in a forum like this is when the other person can't understand you. or if you are not actually saying what you mean. the words you use will define how someone is suppose to comprehend what you are saying not whether or not something is capitalized.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 The only time grammar is important is when you're using it. You won't find me claiming a higher intelligence than anyone else without backing it up in one of the most fundamental fashions. Besides that, why would anyone take you seriously anywhere if you can't represent youself to the fullest in every situation? The way you present yourself intellectually, visually, and in mannerism is how people see you. You present yourself ignorantly, I don't... Case closed I suppose.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace you haven't backed up a single thing the entire time you have been posting. you still haven't even backed up your claim that you could prove god is against abortion.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 To your standard I suppose I can't not for lack of evidence though... Simply because you seem to be agnostic. I only say this because you said you don't believe in the Bible because a human wrote it. Then you stated you only believe in it if you hear it from the source or see it. Therefore, apart from God speaking to you, no one can. Don't take my word for it though, review your own posts. :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace just so you know "I can't not" is grammatically wrong. can't means can not saying can not not is a double negative. so much for you being smarter.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Sorry, let me correct "Can't not" should be "Can't, not for lack of evidence though." had you gone the extra step to consider the context and told me, "You forgot your comma" I might have been impressed. However, you corrected me incorrectly lol. So this turned into an example of how you don't really understand what you're reading. :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace because in one post you call people who have an abortion murderers, and in the very next post you say you didn't call them murderers which is really funny coming from someone who claimed i couldn't follow a conversation.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I didn't call them muderers I said thats how I felt and then I continued to say I know I don't have the right to say it and I don't go off and ridicule them. I even continued to say that I was so firm that people needed to make the choice for themselves that when one of my closest friends made the choice I went with her so she didn't have to be alone. I find it hard to believe you just missed the rest of that post. But considering Youtube just dropped another of my posts...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace yes you did call them murderers here again is a copy and paste of your actual text "A baby, if murdered in the womb by a unwilling mother, can be counted as murder - whats the difference if the mother does it herself?" this is you calling them murderers. if the baby is murdered and you are saying the mother did it that would make the mother a murderer.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Thats later on in the forum. Thats me saying how the Courts treat it not my personal opinion. I'm also stating that I find it stupid for the Courts to find it murder in one context and not the other. Whether they choose to stop calling it murder in trials or not is up to them, but some consistancy in it all would be nice. I believe you misunderstood my meaning.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace lets stick to one thing at a time so i will hit you up on this comment about the courts and murder thing later.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 No problem, I'll warn you though my Fiance came home so I'm going to want to head to bed with him soon. If I don't get the chance to respond right away it's not because I'm not interested because I find other religions interesting to hear about.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace i didn't correct you incorrectly because there is no way for me to know you meant for a comma to be there. i can't read your mind and that sentence is iffy at best.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Most sentences are subjective but that sentence as a whole I feel was pretty clear, however, as the room is cooling off I'm feeling rather calm and I suppose I can see that someone who isn't hearing the way it's vocalized might find that confusing. The inflections make a good portion of a sentence.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace how can I seam to be agnostic when i have told you flat out that i am not agnostic and i am not an atheist was there some part of that you didn't understand? no i said i don't believe in the bible. just because someone doesn't believe in the bible doesn't make them an atheist or an agnostic. I said the bible is not proof god said anything because it was written by man. no i said it can only be proven if you have verifiable proof of the source.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 How can you not be? Unless you're saying God speaks to you? If you don't believe in second hand information how can you believe in God? I don't care what God anyone believes in, I'm using the Bible as an example because it was the subject of our forum at the time that you made your statement. You said you don't believe in it, and the reason you said you didn't was because it was second hand information, hearsay. Unless your particular God speaks to you... Well, I'm sure you get it...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace first of all ... again... religion and god are two different things. it amazes me that you can't understand that. believing in god and believing god said something are two very different things. not all religions have text that claim they are from god. the bible was never the subject of our conversation you assumed that god = the bible which is a fallacy. jesus christ i just explained this to you did you not read the other post? thats not what i said go back and reread.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Ah, I see what you're implying now this comment cleared a lot up. Your other posts make more sense now as well. May I ask then how you formed your religion and to wait God you follow? I would be interested to know how you learned of your God and or his teachings or if it's simply a higher power that you follow.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace I will tell you on one condition, and I will agree to this condition as well, not just for respecting one another but respecting all people and perspectives on religion and god. we make no insults on religion, god, or faith of ANY KIND. these things are sacred even if you don't believe in them. if you promise I will continue with my explanation and answer your question.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I actually, once again, agree with you 100%
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace OK to start off I am a druid. I believe in mother Earth and father Sun. my religion dictates a worship of nature, and a pursuit of knowledge/wisdom. there is no written doctrine. it use to take 20 years to be a druid. all teachings were done orally and thats why it use to take 20 years to make sure things were learned correctly. it was done orally so no enemy civilization could know the knowledge of the Celtic people knowledge is power and that power can be used against you.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Is it anything like traditional Wicca?? I know they believe in worshiping nature and such but there are a lot of versions of it. I know they have mostly Goddesses though if I remember correctly. How did you come upon it? Was it introduced to you by someone or did you find in in reading?
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace actually most of wicca is taken from from the Celtic belief system. wicca is a combination of variously stolen beliefs and meshed together. wicca is to Druidism as johova witnesses are to christianity if that makes any sense. the reason there are so many different wiccan beliefs is because various writers include gods and goddesses from all the ancient civilizations thats why you will find greek, roman, celtic, norse, teutonic, and other civs gods in their pantheon.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I've noticed as well that after Wicca became somewhat of a 'fad' some companies warped it in odd ways to market it to particular groups. I don't mean this to sound rude and I hope it doesn't but I know many people that practice Wicca were met with a lot of... not so respectful replies, do you have the same problem? I ask because I often wonder if much of the back lash on Wicca was due to the idea it was satanic by nature even though it isn't really.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace now i am not bashing wicca, if anything i am bashing the writers of the books because they do it to make profit and claim its all true. when really they rarely do their home work. but they are both nature based. there is two parts to wicca. the first part is the religion which is what deity do you worship, and the craft which is casting spells doing rituals and so forth. since 90% of the religion is female more goddesses are worshiped then gods. obviously.
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace it more or less found me. this really started when i was a baby. when i was three years old nature gave me a mountain. it was my mountain. I couldn't prove it. but i knew it with every fiber in my very being. it was mine by sacred right. it wasn't I wanted it there for it was mine it was nature gave it to me so its mine. even today looking back at how emphatically i knew that. from there it just grew deeper and deeper one day the word druid fit me like a suited me just as my name
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Thats really cool :). Now is there a particular version you follow with? Are there more then one type of Druid? How did you go about finding where you could learn about it? I ask becuase it's such an uncommon religion. You're the first person I've ever encountered that follows it.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
i am going to post this in your inbox because youtube sucks.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 :) Ok :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace actually it should be in your comments. but we know god because we study nature. to study nature IS to study god because god is nature nature is god. in a christian perspective i would explain that nature created god, and god created a lot of other things. I personally don't think a person can be a druid and a christian at the same time because if you study the bible and look at the facts a druid would have to conclude that the bible is false because of his oath in order to be a
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Makes sense. Does the Druid religion have a take on where it all began? A belief or theory on the begining?
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace druid. the oath as i have said before is the oath to knowledge/wisodm and a druid needs to be a scientist first and a spiritualist second if that makes any sense. not that i am bashing christianity but it does take a lot on faith.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 That does make sense. I know my religion is faith based. I don't find it insulting for you to reference that fact and hold it side by side to anothers belief, i.e. your own :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace now i am going to wait for you to reply. if you are not at your computer i will have to see what you say in the morning.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Sorry I was so delayed I didn't have the chance to answer till now. I had a busy day -.-
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace from what I have seen the best source for accurate knowledge is "A brief history of the druids" by Peter Berresford Ellis. I have not read the book completely but he seams to be the fore most authority on the mater. I have read some of his work and it seams to have all the accurate information separating myth from reality, which is really hard to do on this subject. I am also currently writing my own book on the subject. I am writing what is important now for a druid and the past
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace is mostly irrelevant to a modern day practitioner. what isn't irrelevant is the core beliefs and the principles at heart.
as for different kinds of druids no two druids are going to be the same because taking an aspects of nature is huge. there are all sorts to derive your beliefs from. I understand what you are saying. but it doesn't apply so much to our for lack of a better word people. there use to be classes of druids but in this day and age not any more. not really.
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace oops i meant dead religion not dead language although the language they used is dead now as well.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 This is very interesting :) Sorry it took me so long to respond life carried me away for a little while :)
Thank you very much for sharing these basics. I'm going to see if I can't find that book you've recommended :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace ah no i am the first person you are AWARE that follows it. No two druids will agree on everything about nature. there are a lot of people who call them selves druids but are just pretenders you have that in all religions. people seam to love throwing a label on themselves and then defining the label as their character. I joined a grove in cincinati. it was part of the American Druid Federation. I have considered myself pagan since I officially left christianity for good.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I suppose thats true. It isn't something you hear about often though. Are there any books that are accurate to your religion or is it really something you'd have to talk to someone in depth with to have a good understanding of it? Do you find common trends of personality? For instance I notice that in the Christian religions you have three types fire and brimstone, laid back but still reserved and then the title only for the most part followers. You know what I mean??
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace for all intents and purposes the religion, practices, and the specific beliefs of the druids ARE DEAD! it is essentially a dead language. there are people who claim that the druids went underground for hundreds of years after the fall of the Celtic people but there is no way to verify their story because all the teachings were passed on orally. anyone can claim something like that and its hard to prove a negative.
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace lol and by 'to wait God' I meant 'to what God' :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace yeah i figured that out i usually just ignore typos unless i really can't understand what they are saying.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Typo's irritate me for some reason. I think it's just cause of work though for the most part.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
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@karn33333 How can you not be? Unless you're saying God speaks to you? If you don't believe in second hand information how can you believe in God? I don't care what God anyone believes in, I'm using the Bible as an example because it was the subject of our forum at the time that you made your statement. You said you don't believe in it, and the reason you said you didn't was because it was second hand information, hearsay. Unless your particular God speaks to you... Well, I'm sure you get it...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace and once again i have to repeat the same thing to you over and over again because you fail to comprehend even the simplest shit. anyone can say god said this god said that that is called hearsay, even in a court of law that is not even allowed to be admitted as evidence. you have not even proven god exist let alone that god said anything about anything.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Lolz, you aren't making any more points for me to pay any attention to. You're just going on and on. I'm tired of repeating myself when you don't comprehend anything. I'm not one to 'beat a dead horse'... I like that description when applied to you... The dead horse and you have much in common... intellectually speaking of course :) However, I do consider you a mildl source of entertainment while I wait for my fiance to get home :). You're good for a laugh or two...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace oh please your a joke. every thing you have typed is an illogical fallacy, or some random shit you made up out of no where. when those fail all you can do is make childish insults. seriously your a joke.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 *'your' should be 'you're'* LOL!!!!! (note the capital letters showing a loud and delighted laugh) I'm not the one clinging to ignorant cussing and name calling. Use you're adult form of speaking and people may treat you better. Just a thought :). You should mull it over :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace yeah yeah yeah like i said you are just being a dumb fuck grammar nazi because you have no valid argument.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Hehe, see ignorant cussing and childish antics :)
You're so easy.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace childish antics? your one to talk when you lose an argument the first thing you do is make up shit about people. so what if i do use profanity? your going to tell my your some how better because you don't use profanity?
uh no a hypothesis is tested. an opinion still has to be based on some fact. an opinion can still be wrong. only a subjective opinion can't be wrong. I say plenty your just to stupid to pick it all up.
karn33333 1 year ago
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MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace no you only claim i get hot under the collar once again you making up shit without being able to back it up. there is a huge difference between something being on a house and something being in a house and yet that is only slightly different in wording with huge difference in meaning.
karn33333 1 year ago
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@karn33333 BecauseI don't cuss? Not at all. Because you can't seem to back up your claims of being more intelligent? Of course. Because you get hot under the collar enough over a woman states away from you? Perhaps. Because you can't follow a conversation? I think so. Because you can't understand the general meaning of anything you read? I suppose...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@karn33333 That had been a lovely comment I posted but my cat jumped on my desk and deleted it... Now YouTube is giving me a hard time about reposting it.... Stupid site. I'll see about getting it back up, sorry for any trouble it'll cause you, I know you have a terrible memory...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace no, youtube fucks up all the time i will give you that.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Yeah, YouTube can be a pain in the butt. Thats one opinion I suppose we share :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace at this point its a fact because everyone has observed that it drops hole paragraphs after saying posted ok.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 hey look hell just froze over we agreed on something.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Hehe, I suppose so :). I would rather agree then disagree though.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@karn33333 I just said that. Well, no. I didn't come right out and say that, I implied it so I'll say what I'm thinking clearly. Perhaps, you really didn't see the other half of my posts because of a YouTube error. If that is the case I will offer up an appoligy for how I replied to you. I replied as though you disregarded the rest or my opinion and snapped back rather hard as a result. However, if you only saw the first half I would seem to have been the aggressive party.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@karn33333 Why cuss and come back to this forum after so long unless what I said really ticked you off. I find it humorous and reply as such but you? You cuss, you get heated, you try sooo hard... It's amusing :). Thats not slightly different on and in carry different meanings. Couch and Sofa are slightly different.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace once again i told you i was really busy. i was spending 12 hours a day at school coming home cooking something while watching a movie and off to bed. sorry but youtube isn't the highlight of my day. i have a lot of shit i have to do and this is something i only do when i can't sleep. right now its really hot and even if i tried i couldn't sleep no matter what I do. once again you are making assumptions based on absolutely nothing. as a matter of fact i have been laughing at you
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I have to say the weather is part the reason I'm on here right now too. It's like 80 degrees with high humidity and it's 12:45. My fiance is giving his brother a ride to his place and I'm sitting here next to my AC wishing I lived in Alaska or something. YouTube is hardly the best form of amusment but it passes the time on days, or nights like this -.-
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@karn33333 'OMG' would imply strong emotion as it's capitalized. 'omg' would be a muttered show of irritation. Due to the fact that you're so far below me you don't warrent any sort of strong show of emotion. You might want to pay closer attention to what you're typing while trying to say you're more intelligent then others on a forum like this...
FYI - I'm sure you didn't mean 'ment'... I think you were looking for something more like 'meant'... You know, just throwing that out there.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
"The pro-life movement is a political and social movement focused chiefly around opposition to abortion, and especially support for the criminalization of abortion."
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Pro-birth = pro-life
"Some pro-life groups oppose the use or availability of contraception. The movement also includes opposition to euthanasia, the death penalty, human cloning, and research involving human embryonic stem cells"
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
I can't say I agree with the death penalty. I think that an adult in sound mind should have a choice for euthanasia rather then a slow and painful end but there would need to be stricked rules and requirments. Cloning is strange but I haven't done enough research to have a opinion on it that I can say. Adult collection of stem cells and umbilical cord collection I have no problems with.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Life = rights from conception to death. You sit there and say just because people don't agree with the destruction of a baby while the baby is in the mothers womb that they don't believe in the quiality of life? You're wrong. They do. From start to finish. Instead of sitting around and not working to make life better for those in the system like you, you who sits there and says just kill them and avoid it, they try their best.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Life = rights from conception to death? can you even remotely back that statement up? i don't know about the state you live in but a fetus in this state isn't allowed to vote or drive. actually i didnt say that once again inability to understand even the simplest concept. excuse me but how do you know that i don't try to make the system better? how do you know i just sit here? see once again you are just making random assumptions about me without any evidence what so ever your pathetic.
karn33333 2 years ago
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"can you even remotely back that statement up?" clearly the one looking to prove or disprove is you...
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
'How do you know' Well for all you've talked about how terrible the system is, the only solution you've dished out is 'Pro abortion'. So if thats how you think you're 'helping the system'.... thats just sad....
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
As for a voting baby... thats grasping sweetie. You're making yourself look stupid again just by saying it when the answer is obvious. A baby isn't 18 in or out of the womb.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
you said "You can't prove where life begins nor can I" if you can't prove where life begins then you can't prove that its murder, and there for you are anonymously slandering others. I'm not grasping dumb ass you completely failed to comprehend the point. read it again im sick of retyping absolutely everything just because your to stupid to read it correctly the first time.
karn33333 2 years ago
I never said it was murder by definition. I said I think it's morally wrong. Now you're grasping at air... What are you running out of vomit to spew out? The point is, its a opinion based debate... what don't you get?
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
@MyChaoticPeace you said and I quote "A baby, if murdered in the womb by a unwilling mother, can be counted as murder - whats the difference if the mother does it herself?" then right after that your very next post is "I never said it was murder by definition" your still calling it murder you dumb fuck. you can't even follow your own part of the conversation LMFAO. no its not an opinion based debate. when you make an assertion the burden of proof is on you. if you can not prove your assertions
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace are completely meaningless whether you call it an opinion or not. Im sorry but whining and bitching about meaningless assertions isn't very mature either. in order to create change you have to deal with what you have before you can deal with more. even on an assembly lines when there is to much build up they stop the assemble line and deal with what then can, if you kept the line running you run your business into the ground, similarly YOU run species into the ground.
karn33333 1 year ago
I don't know what state you live in but in mine after birth you still have to wait to become a legal adult. But regardless of adulthood or adolescence you still have the right to live. A baby, if murdered in the womb by a unwilling mother, can be counted as murder - whats the difference if the mother does it herself?
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
you show how hypocritical you are. but why add to the problem by shoving more unwanted children into a system that can't handle them, hurts the ones that are all ready there, and causes unnecessary additional problems just because a bunch of whiny ass self righteous busy bodies who don't understand even the simplest biology concepts make a big fuss about it? once again its a fetus and depending development little more then organic goo, calling it murder is joke.
karn33333 2 years ago
You show how immature you are. In order to create change you have to deal with the problem head on, not avoid it by simply destroying the source. The source in this case being unborn children. If you don't like the system, do something about it, don't avoid it. I don't think believing people should take responsibility for their own actions is self righteous, I think it's one of the most basic concepts we learn as children.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
@MyChaoticPeace your assertion that i am "avoiding something" is ridiculous. I don't thing asking people to be responsible for their actions is self righteous either what i think is self righteous is someone who thinks they have the ultimate moral high ground at every turn that would be you. taking responsibility for ones own actions can be done in many ways. self righteous is when you expect people to do things ONLY YOUR way because its the ONLY way that's right and that's just wrong .
karn33333 1 year ago
I feel it's self centered and selfish to destroy a growing life just because you don't want to interrupt your day with the need to care for what you've created with someone else.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
@MyChaoticPeace i think its self centered to dictate that your OPINIONS are suppose to dictate the actions of others. you are also misconstruing the main reason most people have an abortion it isn't because its "inconvenient for them" its because its the best choice for them, and often the best choice for the fetus. just like when a baby is born with anencephalopathy, but instead of a medical reason they use a social economical reason and or environmental reason.
karn33333 1 year ago
pro birth does not = pro life. pro means for and we have already posted enough definitions for life for me to copy and paste it. especially when an 8 year old has to ask his mommy and the doctors why he has to die, because some douche bag like you prevented his mom from getting an abortion which would have stopped all his pain and suffering. you know the 8 year old boy i mentioned before who spent his entire life in hospitals hooked up to machines.
karn33333 2 years ago
Oh lord, you're still around? Can't you just... I don't know... go away? Every time you post and I have to even know my IQ drops by a half a point...
There is a big difference between aborting just cause you spread your legs like a slut over and over again and you don't want to deal with a child, and finding out your child will never live outside of a hospital.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
However, because of a douche bag like you I may not have ever been here :) Yeah the docs said my chances were down the drain but, guess whos kicking? After I made it out of the woods as a baby not only were there absolutely no complications but I turned with a better immune system then most and had the horrible misfortune to never have to miss school if I didn't want to ^^. Not that it mattered cause by middle school I tested college level :) So douche bag, what now?
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Are you done wasting my time with this ancient debate? Are you done trying to prove your opinion correct? You know... that thing that can't be either right or wrong unless proven by scientific method to be factual... you know cause then it wouldn't be an opinion... no, it would be a fact...
Fact - a statement that can be PROVEN
Opinion - a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
So... now that you understand the meaning and difference between fact and opinion you think you can lighten up on the 'you're wrong'? Cause it's getting really old... Well maybe you don't understand... I mean I have explained this like three times before and you didn't get it... I even said lets agree to disagree but you're too much of a stubborn adolescent to grasp that concept...
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
You'll keep going huh? Great... This is the nut that never stops... yes his name is Karn3so on. MyChaotic posted but she'll never ever stop cause he'll continue whining his ass off forever more yes it's the nut that never stops.... his name is karn3so on and on ... ah... all in a day I suppose... all in a day...
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
First of all if anyone has done any whining at all here its been your sorry ass. Second of all having an opinion doesn't make you or that opinion right just because you refuse to look at facts and maintain really stupid beliefs. Actually its you who has been trying to prove opinion correct, I have done nothing but disprove your "facts" and what you call "logic". It doesn't matter how many times you explain that 5 + 5 = 2 its still wrong. you haven't said lets agree to disagree no what you did
karn33333 2 years ago
Haha, right. The only thing I've done is laugh at your lack of understanding and lack of ability to follow a conversation. I already explained the meanings of an opinion. Now if someone says something completely off the wall and stupid with no actual conviction in the belief then it's not an opinion its garbage. This is a opinion based debate therefore neither of us are wrong so long as we aren't grasping at impossibilities. Mathmatics are facts not opinions. You're confusing the two yet again.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
no all you have done is say blah blah blah your stupid blah blah blah your stupid blah blah blah. yeah you've explained the meaning and then botched it. well according to your definition all you have done is spew garbage every "opinion" you have has been completely off the wall. I didnt confuse the two, I used an analogy are you seriously telling me your to stupid to understand even the simplest analogy? and you laugh at my lack of understand LMFAO. wow you have got to be the biggest hypocrite
karn33333 2 years ago
First of all you have no Idea what i have or have not done to improve the system. that's just another dumb fuck assumption you've made. you have accused me of not being able to follow a conversation, the truth is you make so many fucked up assumptions based on absolutely nothing you live in a fantasy life. shit it would take me 30 post to just quote all random outrageous assumptions you've made during this debate. you have yet to quote me accurately once. and you call me stupid once again
karn33333 2 years ago
Ah and you have no idea what I've done, so now that it's established, let's stop calling into question who has done or is supporting more damage to the system. If you'll recall you were the first to bring this part of the convo up. Now you seem to be getting a little hot under the collar Karn remember, "He who angers you, conquers you."
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
@MyChaoticPeace wow you are really pathetic five minutes after you tell me how immature I am about not fixing the system you want to stop calling into question whos done what for the system. LMFAO of course you do that way you can make another bullshit assertion and not be challenged by it. actually no this was brought up by you telling me how i just sit here bitching about a system and not doing nothing to help, a bullshit assertion by you with no fucking idea of what i spend my days doing.
karn33333 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace wow another bullshit assumption. seriously where do you get all these absolutely ridiculous out of no where assumptions? do you make up like this in your real life and if so do you seek treatment for paranoid schizophrenia? where do you get "that i seem to be hot under the collar?"
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 omg, you really don't have a life if you're STILL coming back here desperate to try and prove somehing. I don't have time to deal with your inferior intellect. When you learn the difference between opinion and fact I'll consider giving you the time of day.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace the inability to provide one single shred of evidence is not an opinion. make shit up isn't an opinion. if anyone didn't know the difference between fact and opinion that would be you. you have yet to state one single fact in all the bullshit assertions you made. actually its because i have a life that it takes me a while to get back to responses no matter how infantile they are.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 The inability to understand a single comment posted is not the fault of anyone but yourself Karn. If you didn't know the difference between 'fact'- a thing, idea, or outcome that can be proven by scientific method and an 'opinion'- a stance taken on a subject, idea, or thing that can not be proven. Then you shouldn't have tried to enter into an opinion based debate with any hope of success. You only Fustrate yourself and those who have to repeatedly explain the Fundamentals in vain.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace once again you are making shit up. making your own definition doesn't make you right. those are not the definitions for those words. thats why you fail at every turn to understand the simplest concept, because you keep making shit up instead of actually learning something. the definition of fact is "a truth known by actual experience or observation" an opinion is a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. get your shit right damn
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I already cut and pasted multiple definitions of fact and opinion from multiple sources for you and you didn't accept any of them. I simply selected one of the multitudes. They all mean the same thing. Actual experience or observation. That would be trial and witness. What do you suppose one does in life and or scientific method? Such foolishness and half hearted antics could only come from you Karn :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace yes you have copied and pasted the definitions multiple times and every time you failed to grasp their meaning seriously your dumber then dirt.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Lol, the meaning is the same no matter how you word it. A fact is anything proven fact or fiction, yes or no, black or white. An opinion is a belief, a theory, a stance on a unproven subject and so on that has yet to be proven, or can't be proven or tested... But please, don't take my word for it, ask your Mommy for help in understanding :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace actually the meaning isn't the same the words change the meaning. no a fact is not anything proven. a fact is a truth known by actual experience or observation. that is completely different and the fact you can't understand that shows your lack of understanding not mine. the only proof exist in math.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 No it isn't :) It's proven via experience or obervation. It's tested, or seen to be true physically... Therefore, it's a fact. An opinion isn't. For someone that types so much you say very little.
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaotic if my intellect is inferior why is it you failed to provide one single answer that wasn't a complete fallacy? if my intellect is inferior then why is it you have needed to make shit up during this entire argument in order to try and win it? if my intellect is inferior then why was it you who said "no opinion can be wrong until its proven wrong" and then proceed to claim that I don't know what an opinion is? once again i have never seen someone prove beyond all doubt their duplicity.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 I did. You're just too stupid to understand what is being said. You seem to have more than a few issues to resolve educationally speaking...
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace no you didn't, and as far as understanding you failed to comprehend even the simplest shit out of a dictionary. you are beyond pathetic.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 You have a redundancy issue... Thought you should know. Take a moment to review all comments from my first to my current and you'll find your wrong :)
If you don't want to thats fine. You're still funny :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
@MyChaoticPeace no i do not have a redundancy issue you have an inability to comprehend what you read. try actually reading what someone is typing.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Haha, I rest my case :)
MyChaoticPeace 1 year ago
was send me really long fucking essays full of non sense laced with you calling me a idiot and insane for not agreeing with 300 times. that is not agreeing to disagree. I don't buy for a second that you have never been sick a single day of your life its more bullshit you're spewing to try and "prove" your right. what now? nothing now im not buying the scored at college level crap either.
karn33333 2 years ago
Well, you are an idiot. You can't understand the difference between fact and opinion. "It doesn't matter how many times you explain that 5 + 5 = 2 its still wrong." correct as that is mathmatical tested and proven to be so. An 'opinion' can not be. An opinion is based on belief, theory, moral code, religion, and things of that nature. Facts are completely different from opinion.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
"to try and "prove" your right." saying that is really pathetic. It's also very stupid and strengthens my 'opinion' of your mental state. I say this because I've said numerous times that neither I nor you can be proven correct or incorrect. Therefore, I'm not attempting to be proven right, simply for you to understand that this debate is in fact opinion based and there is no right answer. You seem to think your opinion is better then others.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
no saying that isn't pathetic whats pathetic is the fact that you did that. you can say it all the times you want that doesn't make it right. As a matter of fact i have proven that most of the things you said were total bullshit. most of this debate isn't opinion based that's the thing you can't understand. Just because you form an opinion based off of nothing more then what you want to believe doesn't mean that opinion can't be wrong just because you don't want it to be wrong.
karn33333 2 years ago
No, I will tell you whats getting really old the fact that the only argument you have is to mindlessly insult, and base everything on nothing more then your "opinions" which are just outlandish assumptions. like the assumption I don't have a religion or a belief in god. then you said I don't believe in god and claiming I do because I don't believe what you believe. you are a joke. plain and simple.
karn33333 2 years ago
You said, everything is hearsay unless it's told directly from the source and is, as such, unbelievable. Therefore, you are making the distinct implication that you believe nothing unless proven by fact and or substantiated by the source. This means you must not have religion unless you've been had fed the basis for that religion by the source or by solid proof. My religion is faith based, as most are, and no religion can be proven or disproved thus the dilemma in religious differences.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
for someone who claims I can't follow a conversation this entire paragraph is completely hypocritical. right off the bat the first sentence is not what I said at all. What I said was that YOU can't prove that abortion is against GOD. you can however prove that abortion is against your religion that I am not arguing. what you have yet to understand is that religion and god are two completely different things. You can't even prove god exist in the first place let alone prove god said something.
karn33333 2 years ago
yeah i am the one whos retarded, you can't comprehend even the simplest definition even when every part of it is pointed out to you, you can't even tell the deference between false sentimentality and real sentimentality, and you failed to properly quote me at ever single turn yet im the one who is retarded yeah ok.
karn33333 2 years ago
Ps I did some digging for the definition of Pro-birth... It's a unacknowledge term used by pro-abortionists lol. But if you use even the most basic search engine (wiki which is as basic as they come) it redirects to pro-life. So pro-birth is just a slang term for the very same thing that can be applied to different area's.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
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MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
"Take the case of Casey and Kaylee Anthony. Casey (allegedly) killed her child because she "got in the way of partying and having fun". She was inconvenienced by the presence of her very own daughter and so what did she do? (Allegedly) Killed her daughter. And the public is outraged that a woman can kill a child for her own convenience. Are we really surprised? It happens every day -- in fact 3,000 times a day -- in this country with abortion. There is no difference. "
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
If this being is nourished and protected, it will proceed uninterrupted through the developmental stages of embryo, fetus, newborn, toddler, child, teen, adult and aged adult: one continuous existence. This being never develops into a pig, a frog or a tree, (or cancer,) but only into a human. This being is therefore, by definition, a living human being. No small or large amount of ordinary goo will do this.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
"Within four days of fertilization, the sex of the zygote can be determined through microscopic techniques. Soon after one week of fertilization, the zygote contains the beginning of all major body structures. Fetal circulation occurs by three weeks - complete with heart and major blood vessels coursing through its quarter-inch frame. And at five weeks, all basic body systems are developing, including the brain and nervous system enabling the fetus to feel pain. "
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
The baby is autonomous of the mother and has been demonstrated successfully since the introduction of test tube babies. The ovum or the egg is fertilized with the sperm inside a laboratory facility. The zygote, a fertilized egg, begins to divide and grow looking like a bag of marbles even though it may be countries away from the mother.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Dr. Albert Liley, the renowned physiologist known as the "Father of Fetology" has stated, "Biologically, at no stage of development can we subscribe to the view that the unborn child is a mere appendage of the mother. Genetically, the mother and baby are separate individuals from conception."
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of in vitro fertilization" notes about life's beginnings: "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." Continuing on his comments about the Supreme Court ruling on Roe vs. Wade he says, "To deny a truth (about when life begins) should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion."
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
If the medical community maintained consistency with this generally-accepted medical definition of human life, then we would condemn every abortion after the time when the average woman discovers she is pregnant. Every abortion, by the generally-accepted standards of medical science, aborts an innocent human life."
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
In simplistic terms, if an organ donor is in an automobile accident and is on life support in a hospital, the physician cannot pull the plug and donate the patients organs to others unless the patient is brain dead and his heart is not beating on its own.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
At 40 days after conception, brain waves can be read on an EEG, or an electroencephalogram. (Dr. H. Hamlin, Life or Death by EEG, JAMA, Oct.12, 1964, p.113.)
Medical science already refers to a spontaneous heart rhythm and the presence of brain waves to determine whether someone is alive at the other spectrum of human existence.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
At the average time when a woman is aware that she is pregnant (the fifth to sixth week after conception), the preborn human being living inside her is metabolizing nutrition, excreting waste, moving, sucking his or her thumb, growing, and doing many other things that non-living things just do not do. As early as 21 days after conception, the babys heart has begun to beat his or her own unique blood-type, often different than the mothers.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Biologically, from the moment of conception this new human being is not a part of the mothers body. Since when does a mothers body have male genitals, two brains, four kidneys? The preborn human being may be dependent upon the mother for nutrition, however, this does not diminish his or her humanity, but proves it. Moreover, dependence upon a parent for survival is not a capital crime.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
When humans procreate, they dont make non-humans like slugs, monkeys, cactuses, bacteria, or any such thing. Emperically-verifiable proof is as close as your nearest abortion clinic: send a sample of an aborted fetus to a laboratory and have them test the DNA to see if its human or not. Genetically, a new human being comes into existence from the earliest moment of conception.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
actually you would be surprized what people produce when they have sex. actually i have all the info i really need at my finger tips with my Anatomy and physiology book as well as credible biology websites online. actually you could just as well just send the same lab a human egg or sperm or a monkeys egg or sperm and they would be able to tell the difference as well so you still have not concluded that having an abortion is morally wrong, or that conception holds any meaning at all.
karn33333 2 years ago
Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her.
Furthermore, that life is unquestionably human. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens. Human beings are products of conception, which is when a human male sperm unites with a human female oocyte (egg).
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
According to this definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species).
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
actually no according to this definition life starts in the testicles or ovaries. by this definition eggs are alive and sperm is alive as well not to mention the trillions of living cells through out the body. cell division of the eggs starts even before conception. LIFE started billions of years ago and has been an on going process. human beings are products of evolution. human beings reproduce through sexual reproduction.
karn33333 2 years ago
The key ingredients to life (the definition of life)
"1. Living things are highly organized.
2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.
3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.
4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.
5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
You can't prove where life begins nor can I. You say you believe in God (but nothing from word of mouth or in a book that can't be proven to be actual words of God so you don't believe in any current faith known to man and you must only believe in a God that has spoken to you and let you know he is there lol) so really you don't believe in anything. You make half baked assumptions about other people but when they return the favor you whine like a baby.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
You make shit up as you go, even going so far as to make up meaning to words that aren't there and disregarding the actual meanings that I've posted. You pretend to know everything when no one can really understand something as complex as life itself. And you say that morals and sentimentality have no meaning in a debate that's very meaning is whether or not abortion is murder (which is a moral subject matter). You're retarded.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Just because you had a bad time in the system you'd rather kill others then fix it for them? You'd rather let the problem continue and just kill all the unwanted children? To what end? Kids will still end up in the system. Loving parents will die and children who where once wanted will be abandoned later on. Your little 'the system sucks' is weak. Help fix it then.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
not only have i witnessed for myself first hand how fucked up the system is, i have heard from others first hand how fucked up things are in the system. the system is fucked up, and all these as you put it "unwanted children" have horrifying things happen to them why would you wish this on someone? why would you force this on someone unless you are a sadistic fuck? you are one seriously fucked up person. even if i were to help and fix it doesnt change the fact that the system is still messed up.
karn33333 2 years ago
"disregarding the actual meanings that I've posted." just because you post a meaning doesn't mean thats what the word means. and just because you have a serious problem with comprehension doesn't mean i change the meaning of words. i never pretended to know everything, but unlike you i do my research first then make my comments, and not try to justify crap just because of a political agenda. I never said morals have no meaning in a debate and i said false sentimentality has no place.
karn33333 2 years ago
"You can't prove where life begins nor can I" thats been my point from the beginning this entire time, you've been saying life begins at conception. now you finally admit you can't prove that. and since you can't prove when life begins nor can you prove its murder to have an abortion. there for you can't prove its immoral to have an abortion there for it should not be illegal.
karn33333 2 years ago
once again incorrect i dont believe in any current faith known to YOU. a lot of religions are not based off of word or of mouth or written books. "and you must only believe in a God that has spoken to you and let you know he is there lol" once again this is an assumption you have made and its wrong. when have i ever said god speaks directly to me? when have i ever claimed god said anything? Name one assumption i have made. the only one here making assumptions is you. i also have yet to "whine"
karn33333 2 years ago
Why dont you go and explain to all the mothers that lost their babies unwillingly and that acknowledge their children as part of their family. All the woman that gave birth and the child died that they still had to name and bury.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago
Explain to my family who lost one of our own a few hours after birth that because he didnt make it to the amount of weeks someone else said is what mattered that he is less of a person and that the birth certificate that had to be accepted and the death certificate that had to be accepted are meaningless.
MyChaoticPeace 2 years ago