ECarCo 7: Gas cars spew nitric acid into kids lungs

[dasgemuse]

elecric cars are pretty bad themselves. their batteries are full of H2SO4 and lead. i am around concentrated H2SO4, nitric acid, and NO2 all the time... i'm fine.

[liveoilfree]

How little you know. NiMH batteries use Nickel, not Lead; of course, all batteries have chemicals, but compared to an oil refinery or drilling spoils they are benign. I'd say breathing NO2 or SO3 would mean you were dead.

[dasgemuse]

all right maybe your batteries use nickel, but most 12V use lead. they still contain H2SO4. as for me breathing NO2.... I don't huff it, i am exposed to larger amounts than most people, and i feel just fine. oh and one other thing.. what do you think fuels the plants that generated electricity for your nickel hydride batteries? mostly coal and fossil fuels.

[liveoilfree]

I don't have to tell you: there's no free lunch! Procuring energy is dirty; the dirtiest is oil, next is coal. Sure we could run ALL our energy needs on solar power (yes, just solar, storing energy for night).

[dasgemuse]

and what feul would run those factories that make the solar panels? coal and fossil fuels. you can not escape the trap we have been put into.

[Ma77hew]

And its not just KIDS lungs... its EVERYONE's lungs that breath car emmisions... so if ur so concerned about it, change the title to something more appropriate

[Ma77hew]

Ive never heard of any kids having any problems from lung damage due to Car emissions, at least not in LA!!

[liveoilfree]

USC study proves otherwise. Learn before speaking.

[Ma77hew]

the USC study is about 10 years old and conducted during the 90's where there we MORE non catalytic converted cars and even cars with catalytic converters at that age in time aren't as efficient as today's cars.

[Envergure]

Anhydrous acids? What are you putting in your car? Your car can't emit compounds of nitrogen or sulfur unless you put something in that contains those elements. I think you should focus on driving instead of filming and leave the environmental propaganda to people who at least have a high-school understanding of science.

[liveoilfree]

NOx and SOx, according to CARB, are among the major pollutants in auto exhaust.

NOx plus water equals nitric acid; SOx plus water equals Sulfuric Acid.

You might study a bit, or at least read the explanations I've given in other places.

[Ma77hew]

thanks to catalytic converters there is almost NO nitrogen oxides being produced from the internal combustion engines. The only real pollution from cars are CO2... I live in the LA area and I live probably 4 miles from a freeway... not all people in LA live near a freeway

[liveoilfree]

Actually, NOx is a necessary pollutant from even clean IC cars, due to the high heat. N2 occurs in the air naturally; it's just the -1 and -2 oxidation states that causes acid in kids lungs.

[Ma77hew]

and that NOx from the high heat is being converted in the catalytic converter... I say that the majority of the NOx emmisions aren't coming from cars but from the industrial sector around the world, including places that aren't regulated by clean air acts.

[liveoilfree]

Well, you're WRONG, as the NIH study shows (I put a link to it in the text for this video)

[Ma77hew]

ok, let me assure you i am not against ur reasoning and i would love for cars to run on somthing cleaner like electricity or hydrogen, BUT its not the gasoline cars we have to worry about... its the diesel big rig trucks constantly on the LA freeways that are what i believe is causing decreased lung capacity. Diesel has more toxic particulate matter being thrown into the air and ive seen countless trucks spewing black smoke into the air... its not the cars its the trucks!

[liveoilfree]

It may well be trucks, too; but you also have to realize that the Alameda Corridor is not electrified, and the ships in the harbour are also a big source of pollution. But the number of cars dwarfs the number of trucks; and the cars do pollute...any place you burn oil, you get NOx and SOx, that's agreed by all...

[Ma77hew]

well i dont see anywhere in the article specifically saying that nitric acid is the cause of decreased lung capacity.. the nitrogen oxides are... not nitric acid. There is far high amounts of nitrogen oxides in the atmosphere than nitric acid. But still, the whole point of installing catalytic converters of a car is to REMOVE the NOx and SOx!!! what else is it for?????

[liveoilfree]

You must be non-technical. There's N2 in the air, which is pretty much inert; why not think or study before you write such junk??

[Ma77hew]

N2 is not a nitrogen oxide... and i have studied, all these studies are for decreased lung capacity, nowhere in the articles does it mention that Nitric acid is the cause... N2 does not combine with Oxygen in the air unless its under extreme heat such as a car engine or nuclear explosion, but in the case of cars, the catalytic converter turns nitrogen oxides into N2 and O2!!!!

[liveoilfree]

That's exactly what I said, N2 is pretty much inert because the outside electron shell is filled. It's N0x and SOx that cause acid formation...and there's no catalyst that can scrub all the NOx out of exhaust, which is why CARB only gives silver credtis for CNG and HIC cars.

[Ma77hew]

CNG cars are still internal combustion engines so they still can produce NOx even though not as much, and the catalytic converter removes like 99% of the NOx!!!

[liveoilfree]

At least you're admitting that IC cars create NOx (Nitric acid). Now let's talk about SOx and HxCx...

[Ma77hew]

well yeah of course they produce NOx and SOx, but almost all of it is removed by the catylitic converter. Whats the point of this video? The general public can't do anything to get rid of gasoline powered cars, everyone is forced to buy gasoline powered cars, and most people can't afford electric or natural gas powered cars... so this is pointless... you are just pointing out one problem the general public can't fix.

[BlkSerialKilla]

also as far as brake dust goes, if you used ferrous metals in brakes you could just use magnets near the brakes to capture the majority of brake dust.

[BlkSerialKilla]

Electric cars have the same physics as other cars as far as tires go. the tires on those cars would have to be very efficient because you have frictional loses from the tires rolling, IE Rolling friction. So regenerative breaking all though helpful does not mean you recover everything from rolling to a stop with those regenerative brakes. Also there are electrical loses IE Resistance of conductors and such.

But its still correct though :)

[PlanetThoughts]

Not everyone knows about the epidemic in auto-immune diseases. These include Type I diabetes (not caused by diet and exercise like Type II), multiple sclerosis, asthma, autism, and probably others. We don't know the cause, but it would seem that air, water, and land pollution, which is intermixed, is behind it. If not pollution, including car pollution, what else is the cause? Both my children have Type I diabetes - and there is NO family history of it, in my wife's or my family.

[Envergure]

Autism isn't an autoimmune disease. It's a family of learning disabilities and behavioral disorders, unrelated to the immune system.

[PlanetThoughts]

Autoimmune problems are one of the explanations of autism (just Google on autism autoimmune). The real cause is not known for sure. There are over 100 autoimmune illnesses however, and most (all?) have been increasing dramatically.

[edcastrovalley]

Your right about brake dust particles. Just look at the front wheels of most cars. They get black from brake dust!

[carrottop32]

Good job

[MPaulHolmes]

Regen braking is awesome! What an elegant solution. Thank you for making these videos! They are not falling on deaf ears.