i do not see y ppl are mad about this. i mean here we see a women trying to complete a task u of the western secular world wanted, a chance for Islam to be a representation of tolerance like it use to be instead of what it is now to a majority of this world, intolerant and violent. if this was a video that directed atheism and non religious views, no one would be mad. why hate on this because of religion. be tolerant of change.
the video with the chick was better..might i add we dont make young people defeat lifes challenges by injecting a numbing drug lik religion that numbs them and also builds fake self esteem its etter if we changed the system and evolved into a more democractically run system where people are given full oppotunities and justice is served i when we make the future better u relgions have been drugging people for years i think u would of come to tems with that after 4,000 yars of failue
@yourenviousenemy If you [are] a Muslim, then do not lie about Islam out of ignorance, and do not force your ultra-conservative opinion as "THE" truth, because this is not a behavior of a good student or academic, let alone Muslim. And never ever spit around the word "haram" when you have not studied Arab and Islamic Studies for many years, especially when those who have, disagree with that opinion. Drop the CAPS. And realize that non-Muslims read what you write. Don't be literalistic.
How do these people expect to teach people about Islaam through mediums that are not PART OF IT!! MUSIC IS HARAAM, IMAGES ARE HARAAM, AND EMBODYING ANY OF ALLAAHS ATTRIBUTES IN THE FORM OF HUMANS IS POLYTHEISM - SHIRK - WHICH TAKES YOU OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM AND INTO A PAGAN!!!
@yourenviousenemy <--- Hey bozo...if you think that any half-intelligent person actually believes that you're Muslim or in any way related to Islam, then think again. You're a clown, nothing more, and no intelligent person even considers for a second that you're Muslim. So you might as well save yourself the effort & time of scamming people just to make Muslims look close-minded. Lying moron indeed.
@gorocca the Prophet SAWS said "Whoever says to his brother: 'O disbeliever,' it becomes true of one of the two." It is narrated in al-Bukhari and Muslim.
IE: whoever calls their muslim brother a kafir and they are wrong then that person is the true kafir. I dunno what u personally believe but I know that if u think it is pernissable to draw Allahs attributes as human superheros then u have disbelieved in Islam and that is ur right to do so.
@yourenviousenemy You are [not] my brother, bozo. As I said, you are not even Muslim, you're just pretending to be on public websites, then saying trash, to make people think that this is how Muslims are. You copy & paste hadith to make yourself look genuine, but it's not fooling me, nor would it fool any other educated person. What attributes of God are you even talking about you ignoramus? Just STFU and stop talking trash that nobody even understands because it is trash!
@gorocca PS: I am proud that u hate me and don't consider me Muslim cuz if I was liked by someone like u it means I must be a real sleazeball. In fact if I woke up one morning and looked in the mirror and found out I was u that day I would probably be so ashamed that I wud just take a rope and hang myself
@yourenviousenemy Yes, if you'd like to hang yourself, please be my guest. I don't think I'll stop someone like you. The world needs peacemaking, educated, and honest individuals, not lying, ignorant cretins like you just spreading hatred and ignorance and misconceptions about religions.
@gorocca Because you couldnt formulate a coherent response to the hadith that I posted you weaseled your way out of having to respond by saying i "cut and paste hadiths". Thats called a "Red herring" and it shows that you have no ingenuity or foundation for your method of debate.
@yourenviousenemy Oh, you asked your Philosophy-major neighbor to "formulate" that comment of yours? Well guess what, moron, your hadith had absolutely nothing to do with our situation. You're talking about a situation of two Muslims, one of them calls the other a "disbeliever", and as clear as the sun, nobody here called anyone else a disbeliever. I dare you to find me or anyone here (other than YOU) using the word "disbeliever". Please, stop embarrassing yourself, STFU, and stop pretending.
@gorocca Just so you know, a non-Muslim is a disbeliever in Islaam. I.e. he doesn't believe in Al Islaam. So if someone accused a Muslim of not being so, then yes he indeed has called that person a disbeliever. There is the party of Allaah ta3aala and the party of ash shaytaan, no halfway mark on yaumul Qiyaamah. Needless to say, accusing a Muslim of not being one is horrifically dangerous, especially when the accusation is based on grounds as flimsy as yours appears to be based on.
@mindakhilikaraki I do not believe my grounds are flimsy. This anonymous person is posting on a public forum, visible to countless people across the world, writing in ALL CAPS, claiming music is "haram", which it isn't because there's difference of opinion on it among scholars & this cannot occur on "haram" things—maybe "makrooh" instead but not haram, also writing in all caps "images are haram", which has absolutely NO existence in THIS wording in Islam, so he is lying about Islam, 'nuf said.
@gorocca It's not sufficient for you to say 'music is not haram' in light of the consensus of the salaf (the early generations of Muslims) regarding the prohibition of musical instruments. Perhaps the brother meant drawing or constructing images of living creatures which is clearly prohibited. Regardless of whether you wish to accept these facts or not, repeatedly declaring the disbelief of the person who said those comments has no basis. Takfeer (excommunication) is very serious business.
@mindakhilikaraki Listen, bro, nobody did any takfeer here; a person, a total stranger, a random joe on a public Internet page, made some extreme, inaccurate and misleading comments about Islam, and I alerted other less-informed people, especially non-Muslims, to not believe that that person is in any way, shape, or form representative of Islam. That's [all] there is to it! Really. I don't care what he "perhaps" meant. There's no such thing as "images are haram" or "music is haram" in Islam.
@gorocca You seem to have missed my point, declaring Muslim individuals to be kaafirs based upon an inkling you have is reckless takfeer, worse than the khawaarij. And like I said I'm not here to try to force you to believe anything. What Allaah سبحانه و تعالى, the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه و سلم and the Salaf said regarding these prohibitions is sufficient for me and you have the right to accept or reject that.
@mindakhilikaraki You seem to have missed everything, on the other hand, and have no idea what the heck you're talking about. I did not declare anyone as "kaafir". Try to quote me calling anyone "kaafir" or disbeliever, I dare you. And if you're gonna have to INTERPRET to prove your point, then please do me, this board, and the world a favor, and shove it. And God does not say anything about music in the Quran; I dare you to prove that. Or...you proved your ignorance, so actually better: STFU.
@mindakhilikaraki The quotes you used only prove that I believe him to be an impostor, a liar; they have absolutely nothing to do with calling an actual monotheist submitter a disbeliever. So yes, either be truly rational, or do shove it. =) As for STFU and shove it, PLEASE do. This board can do without you two. As for verses, I didn't ask you to bring verses all day long, smartie pants. Just ONE verse from the Quran against music? For posterity? At least to prove you're not an ignoramus? =)
@gorocca So a man claims to be Muslim (a monotheist submitter) and you say, not he's not. If you're going to declare takfeer of somebody, then be about it! Don't just try to snake away from it. If you feel bad that you made takfeer, then seek repentance. الله تبارك و تعالى هو التواب الرحيم ..
@mindakhilikaraki Dude, you really need to work on your attitude, coz it sucks almost as much as your arguments and lies. No, I don't feel I made takfeer nor do I need to repent. You said "a man claims to be Muslim", and I dare you to prove this; quote that man directly claiming to be Muslim, in unequivocal terms. You'll fail miserably, and realize you have no idea what you're talking about, and I HOPE...by then, you either STFU, or work on your attitude & double check your references.
@gorocca و في النسبة الى الاغاني يقول ربنا عز و جل في سورة لقمان اية 6 ((وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَشْتَرِي لَهْوَ الْحَدِيثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَيَتَّخِذَهَا هُزُوًا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ)) و يقول عالم الامة عبد الله ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما في هذه الاية 'هو الغناء' و اوصيك يا فلان بتقوى الله قبل ان تستهزء باقوال الصحابه كما اتوقع منك... و نسأل الله العافية و السلامة
@mindakhilikaraki لا يستهزئ بكلام صحابي إلا جاهل أو كافر، وابن عباس رضي الله عنه لم يقل هذا فقط، بل أقسم عليه، ولكن كلّ يؤخذ منه ويرد إلا المعصوم عليه الصلاة والسلام. هذا أولاً. ثانياً، أنا طلبت منك دليل من القرآن على تحريم الموسيقى، ولم أطلب منك دليل على تحريم الغناء. ثالثاً، المضحك في الأمر هو أن أكثر الأئمة تشدداً لا يحرم الغناء من الأصل! =) بدليل طلع البدر علينا بالدفّ، وبدليل الغناء بالدف للعرس، وبدليل مئات الأغاني الإسلامية التي تعتمد على الدف فقط. فلا يمكن أن يكون الغناء حرام.
@gorocca عبد الله ابن عبّاس ليس الوحيد الذي يقول ان الاية نزلت في الاغاني بل وافقه و اقسم عليه عالم من علماء الصحابه عبد الله ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه و يوافقه ايضا الحسن البصري و اكثر المفسرين المعتبرين فمن نحن لنهجر اقوال السلف -بلا دليل- و نتبع اهوائنا.. و الاناشيد تختلف عن الاغاني
@mindakhilikaraki إذن فإنه لا يوجد دليل من القرآن على تحريم الموسيقى، ويوجد فقط آية تشير إلى "لهو الحديث" فسرها صحابي على أنها تعني الغناء، وكل الأمة تعرف أن الغناء حلال. جميل. وبعض العلماء أيضاً اختلفوا في معنى "المعازف" من الحديث، هل هي الآلات نفسها أم جلسات الأنس والرقص والموسيقى التي يصاحبها منكر واتباع شهوات؟ وبما أن الحلال بيّن، والحرام بيّن، إذن فأي شيء حكمه بالتحديد "حرام" كتصنيف فقهي يجب أن يكون هذا الحكم فيه شديد الوضوح، ولا لهو الحديث = غناء ولا معنى المعازف شديد الوضوح، فلا حرام هنا
@mindakhilikaraki أنا لم أقل كلمة بتكبر، بل قلت أن تقول أنت كلاماً يُعقل وبدليل ومرجع، خاصة عندما تتهم مسلماً بالتكفير، أو لتصمت بحق الحجيم أو تضع كلامك في أقرب ثقب أسود. وإن قلت أنت أن هذا تكبر، لقلت أنا أن كلامك كان متنطعاٌ متفلسفاً ومتنقياً ما يساعدك على أن تبدو عادلاً فين أنك واضح أن لك أجندة محددة من البداية. فلا، لن تعرض عليك حسناتي، بل أنت واهم وتدعي معرفة الغيب...أنا أرحب باليوم الذي قد يقتص أحدنا من الآخر حقيقة
@mindakhilikaraki وبخصوص الموسيقى، اتبع أنت التفسير القائل بأن لهو الحديث هو الغناء، واقنع نفسك بعد ذلك بأن "الأناشيد" شيء مختلف عن الغناء!! أنا عن نفسي لا أردد هذا التحوير والتدوير في الألفاظ على أي أحد في العصر الحالي، لأنه كلام مضحك ولا يُعقل. أولاً: أنتم تسمحم لأنفسكم أن تقولون: لهو الحديث = الغناء، ولكن الغناء /= الأناشيد!! ولا تسمحوا لنا أن نفسر المعازف بجلسات الأنس التي يشوبها منكر بيّن؟! سبحان الله، هدى الله جهل هذه الأمة. لا ينكر المختلف فيه ولكن ينكر المجمع عليه، وكفى
@gorocca انت الذي ذكرت العلماء فلا تعيب علي.. و للذي يريد ان يعرف الفرق بين الاغاني و الاناشيد فليبحث في القامس..و على كل حال لك الحق ان تختلف معي ما في هدف للمناقسة على الفاضي..اخر الكلام نحن مسلمين و لا اريد ان نكون عدوين فاعذرني لو قلت كلمة بلا ادب في لحظة الغضب
@mindakhilikaraki واعذرني أنت لو رددت عليك بشدة، فإني ممن يميل إلى طريقة عمر بن الخطاب مثلاً عن طريقة عثمان بن عفان، ولا أقارن نفسي بهم أبداً، بل أتحدث عن ما أميل إليه بالفطرة. أما عن الغناء، فهاهي بعض الحقائق اللغوية عن الكلمة: في حديث عائشة: وعندي جارِيتان تُغَنِّيانِ بغِناءِ بُعاثَ أَي تُنْشِدانِ الأشعارَ التي قيلَتْ يومَ بُعاث، وهو حربٌ كانت بين الأنصار، ولم تُرِدِ الغِناء المعروفَ بين أَهلِ اللَّهْوِ واللَّعِبِ، وقد رَخَّصَ عمر، رضي الله عنه، في غناءِ الأعرابِ وهو صوتٌ كالحُداءِ.
@mindakhilikaraki تكملة الكلام عن الغناء: كلُّ مَنْ رَفَع صوتَه ووَالاهُ فصَوْتُه عند العرب غِناءٌ. وبالتالي، فإن كلمة الغناء نفسها تحتمل التأويل، بل وتستدعي وتجبر المفسر أو المعلم أو الطالب أن يشرح المقصود بالضبط من الكلمة. وطالما تحتمل التأويل وتستدعي التفصيل، فهي لازم ولابد أن تحتمل الاختلاف. وفي كل الأحوال، فهي لم تغطي العزف على آلة موسيقية لإنتاج موسيقى تصويرية لفيلم وثائقي إسلامي مثلاً. وبالتالي، لا ينكر المختلف فيه وإنما ينكر المجمع عليه؛ والأهم: الحلال بيّن، والحرام بيّن، تحريمه واضح
@gorocca و قبل ان تردد قولك القبيح STFU بهذا التكبر اعلم يا فلان انك تخاطب عبدا من عباد الله المسلمين و ان الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم قد نهى عن كثرة اللعن حيث قال ""ليس المؤمن بالطعّان ولا الاعّان ولا الفاحش ولا البذيء"" وصدق رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم
@mindakhilikaraki وهناك دليل آخر على أن الموسيقى لا يمكن أن تكون حرام، وإن كانت مكروهة أو في بند المشتبهات. وهو أن الله ذكر منافع للخمر والميسر في القرآن، ولا يختلف عاقلان أن الموسيقى، في صورتها التي تخلو من الفحش والمنكر المبين، فقط بعزف آلة موسيقية مثلاً في فيلم وثائقي أو إسلامي إعلامي، لها فوائد أكثر بكثير من فوائد الخمر أو الميسر. فإن كانت الموسيقى حرام، لكان الأولى أن يذكرها الله في القرآن فيقول فيها ما قاله في الخمر والميسر: لها فوائد، ولكن ضررها أكبر من نفعها، فلنجتنبها، وهو ما لم يحدث
@gorocca هذا قياس باطل لان هناك دليل على تحريم الاغاني في القران ..و توجد هذه الادلة في اكثر من اية و هناك دليل على تحريم المعازف في الحديث الذي يرويه البخاري عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم ""ليكونن من أمتي أقوام يستحلون الحر والحرير والخمر والمعازف"" قال ابن القيم رحمه الله "قرن المعازف مع المقطوع حرمته وهو الزنا والخمر ، ولو لم تكن محرمة لما قرنها معها" و قد وصف علماء معتبرون ما معنى كلمة معازف
@gorocca و هي كما قال شيخ الاسلام "آلات اللهو عند أهل اللغة ، وهذا اسم يتناول هذه الآلات كلها" ويستثنى من هذا الدف في بعض المواقع (النكاح و الاعياد للنساء)لا نحتاج الى الجدال كما قال العلماء: العبرة بما قام عليه الدليل لا بما خالفه
I could bring you verses all day but you won't accept it so me not waste either one of our time.
"shove it"
"STFU"
no interpretation needed for those either, nice manners! I guess when discussing rationally fails then cursing people out is fun. Don't worry, indulge :)
@mindakhilikaraki If you [really] are a Muslim who cares about his faith, and you are half-educated, then the way to say it is, "Drawing living beings is forbidden in Islam, except for cartoons" which is the accurate verdict; saying that drawing living beings in cartoons or caricature is haram is pure ignorance. You'd also say that "most scholars of Islam forbid music", rather than "Music IS haram". All due respect to Salaf, respectable prominent historical & contemporary scholars permit music.
@gorocca It seems you think those that follow the prohibitions on music, singing, and constructing images of living creatures as understood by the salaf to be extreme, and want to let the world know that this is not what Islam says. I'm not here to force you to believe anything, but I hope you realize that by declaing that Muslims to be disbelievers, you have fallen into one of the severest forms of extremism reminiscent of the Khawaarij at the time of Ali ibn Abi Talib رضي الله عنه
@mindakhilikaraki Oh, and if you're SO concerned about takfeer, my reasonable bro, then read that random joe's words again. Let me quote him if you missed his ALL-CAPS pearls of moderate wisdom: "POLYTHEISM - SHIRK - WHICH TAKES YOU OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM AND INTO A PAGAN!!!" So I ask you, WHO exactly is doing takfeer or condemnation here, me...or him? Me when telling him that he hasn't fooled anyone, or him when saying: if you represent God's mercy by a cartoon character then you're a pagan?
@gorocca Allaah's specfic names are attributes of Allaah سبحانه و تعالى So if you draw pictures of them then it's forging a graven image. Allaah being Ar-Rahmaan is superlative and there's nothing like Allaah. "Are meant to embody the attributes of Allaah" is one of the most blatant examples of comparing Allah to his creation that I've ever heard. Allaah says in the Qur'an ليس كمثله شيء و هو السميع البصير There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
@mindakhilikaraki All what you're talking about, regarding likening anything whatsoever to God, has little to do with the 99 names of God referred to in Islam. There are MANY of those 99 names that are perfectly suitable to us for describing individuals. Examples? Wise حكيم, one of the 99 names, perfectly acceptable to say a man is wise رجل حكيم. More? ودود شهيد قوي حميد تواب نافع ضار بديع, and so on. Things can be dangerous if they cover محيي literally, but they can always go for healer instead
@gorocca Allaah's attributes are in the superlative form always and people can strive to be حميد حكيم if they want to Al7amdulilaah. But to say that this cartoon character is a representation of Allaah's specific attributes is off the wall.
@mindakhilikaraki I agree that the 99 thing is a bit dodgy, dangerous territory, شبهة. However, Shereen isn't a scholar, so it was a slip of tongue of her to say "attributes" instead of names. The characters are actually representing the 99 names of God, not God's "attributes". And so long as the designers or writers do not idolize, deify, or turn a name like reviver or محيي into the literal action of bringing someone from death to life (like Prophet Jesus's miracles), then it's not a disaster.
@yourenviousenemy The most amazing thing is, a moron with a name like "your envious enemy", pretends to be Muslim AND quotes copied & pasted hadith! If anyone's reading this, please don't ever think this bozo, yourenviousenemy, is a Muslim. Some people get online, pretend to be Muslim, then talk trash, threaten others, call others disbelievers & infidels, and say this & that are haram (forbidden), just to stain the image of Islam & make its followers look aggressive & backward, and they're liars
lets face the facts. islam truly is an intolerant facist ideology with a spiritual twist. dont try and sugarcoat it. its the very book that breeds terrorism. its not gonna change untill you target the root cause. and that
Cherry picking the qu'ran and ignoring the history of conquest and destruction of local culture while only paying attention to syncretism and integration.
She is too stupid. She sounds like a high school student, and makes similar points.
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Ms. Shereen El Feki is possibly the most ignorant or disingenuous cultural critic I have witnessed. To suggest, as Ms. Feki does at the beginning of her clueless analysis, that the west and the Muslim world will not do well if put side by side because our MTV isn't like their MTV is preposterous. Allow me clue you on to something Shereen. In the west if one person is a Jew and the next a Buddhist they dont strap a bomb to their chest and blow them selves up. The problem is Islam not comic books.
I'm sorry but Islam is not the source of the problem nor is it right to blame any religion to be the cause because we simply treat with each others as human beings
we have Muslims living next to Jews and Christians in a peaceful atmosphere without "strapping a bomb to their chest and blowing them selves up" as you say please keep the religions out of the subject as human beings are not totally controlled by their religions so please don't be one of those that simply absorb what's coming from biased media
and as to the presentation done about Arabs taking brands it's simply nonsense it's actually the west trying to diversify their product in a way that -they think- would make them appealing to the Arab world
The sad flipside of positive cultural exchange and adaptation is negative cultural exchange. For every positive image (superheroes) there is a negative one (warmongers).
The question is, is humanity strong enough to grow past the negativity?
Grow past negativity? That is either the widest net of all time or you don't truly have an understanding of the situation. While i respect the sentiment, if indeed genuine, to not pose the question plainly and precisely lends its self to enabling those who would perpetuate such intolerance, death, and destruction.
The question is does the human race, the Arab world in this case, have the strength to move past superstition and hate?
Being intolerant of religion is just as bad as two religions being intolerant of each other. In other words, being an asshole transcends Christianity or Islam.
religions are intolerant of other people and prefer superstition. no religion gives respect yet they demand respect. as an atheist, i'm intolerant of intolerance. to say being intolerant as other religions is a bad thing, is not correct. it depends what you're standing for. i'm standing for reason, good science, rationality, equality and peace. all religions distort these and bring societies to its knees and cripple them.
I fail to see how being a Christian or Jew or Hindu or whatever suddenly causes you to start hating other people for having a difference in their respective choice of deity. If you want to view the world as divided among religious lines and ignore the intrinsically human emotions of greed, jealousy, and lust for power, then that's your problem.
Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. Too bad you can't see past your own prejudice against religion.
religion causes segregation which causes MORE IGNORANCE which makes this world shittier place to live in. no religious school teaches children about other religions, which causes ignorance. as a christian, muslim, etc, you see others as being 'lower than you'. i'm not making this up; i see this everyday. religion is going to kill us
america (the most religious country around) will not vote an atheist into president. yes that's right; if i don't believe that some deluded jew 2000 yrs ago rose from the dead and physically ascended into the sky and that we're all going to join him in Armageddon, then i'm not fit for president in the 21st century. and don't even get me started on the middle east.
Sir do you take us all for fools? To pretend "...the intrinsically human emotions of greed, jealousy, and lust for power..." are more a cause for intolerance than religion, is tantamount to denying the holocaust. You can make the argument, but you're still wrong, and everyone knows it. I don't truly think you believe such a thing. Perhaps you would revise you're comments?
and as to the presentation done about Arabs taking brands it's simply nonsense it's actually the west trying to diversify their product in a way that -they think- would make them appealing to the Arab world
the Quran says "We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another" not learn from each other
First of all, the Quran wasn't originally written in english, therefore it has been translated into english.
Second of all, in your version of the Quran you wrote that ""We have created you from a male and a female" does this make sense to you? Assuming that this part of your quotation is poorly translated, the final part is probably poorly translated as well. I'm guessing the a better translation would be:
We have created you into both males and females... may learn form one another.
Crass video. Ted videos are not what they were - recommend anyone wishing quality subjects and debates watch the earliest videos. For some reason I keep myself subscribed in the hope things improve but the ration of bad to good content is doing a major hockey stick effect to coin a modern buzz word.
This was only SLIGHTLY insulting to my intelligence until she claimed that "we made you into nations and tribes so you could learn from one another" were "wise words". Seriously? If you think those are wise words, you'll LOVE the average after school special.
If you take the shiny, glossy finish from a modern day society and apply it to a society which is still culturally in the Bronze Age, this will NOT help us become best buddies. It's like an alcaholic putting his beer in a coke can.
@Flyborg : Exactly. Your comment is BANG ON. Looks like they've picked up the superficialities of the post-Enlightenment world without any appreciation for the values of the Enlightenment that got it there.
Wouldnt it be something if every arab that came to the us to preach tolerance for islam also had to go to an arabic country to preach tolerance for judaism?
tolerance for religion should only have as much place as tolerance for racism. Religion is not a race its a believe system we should not tolerate stupid believe systems if we do we harm society by allowing it to spread those stupid believe systems to kids. We are intolerant of racism because it is harmful and we should be intolerant of religion because it is also harmful. Just because you learn from other nations how to build bombs doesnt mean you wont use them on those nations.
@princeofexcess Your comparison of religion, as a belief system related to the after-life and which supports justice & protection of other human beings, to racism, as the practice of discrimination & hatred against other human beings, is as idiotic, brainless, and moronic as...well, as you, because I've never read in my life a comment this disgusting & idiotic, not even from atheists! You, moron, are the epitome of a willing cretin!
The hijab/tudung is simply replacement of mammal fur/hair/aura with synthetic cover, usually today it is fine woven nylon fabric from petroleum. Arabs et al wear 'oil' on their head to reduce water loss (sweat), if you live in hot dry desert, you adapt or perish.
WOW People. It is an interesting talk! Stop rating it less just cause she speaks from an Islamic point of view and you think her religion is stupid. Fucking idiots.
I'm sorry, but this came off like some chick trying to push a religion through propaganda. And I'd say the same for every other religion that tries to doll up their views by soaking it in 'pop culture'. If you want Islam to be respected by more ppl, just have it flow w/ every day life. IMO, the more discreet a religion is, the greater chance of it being viewed positively by the masses. That's one of the problems w/ Islam, ppl try too hard when promoting it...
No, she's showing her culture taking our ways to communicate culture for its own. I fucking doubt any anti-theist is gonna bother watching this unless they've got a rat up their ass.
Early Christianity started off much in the same way as some more intolerant interpretations of the Qua'an. I'm sure if Jesus had access to plains, there would be even more of a correlation.
This video states the importance of transcending religion itself. Using religion to, quite ironically, create less dogmatic ways of thought. This kind of progressive thinking, while not without "faith because, because," is still very hopeful and suggests a more compassionate and tolerant future.
Rescue Islam from images of intolerance? They will have to start by eliminating "honor" killings, bombings, hyper reactivity to cartoons, kidnappings, and the subjugation of women, to start. They might have to also remove passages from the Koran which advocate violence too.
It would be like the Church of England coming out with a video game and some pseudo-sociologist trying to portray it as the advancement of English culture as a whole. When it really is a sort of memetic adaptation. Which, is fine by the way, Christianity and Buddhism adapt pop-culture too, but you can't expect to claim that as an innovation worthy of the TED conference. "Sharia goes digital" isn't remarkable in any way.
What does all of this mean anyway. Repeated litanies of Arab accomplishments used as a defense of Islam. No wonder there is so much animosity towards Arabs, when Muslims try to direct the entire progress of the culture. It really infuriates secular Arabs when radical muslims paint themselves as the most modern progression of the Arab culture, and then revisionist sociologists want to use Barbie dolls and music videos to show that "Arabs are evolving culturally"
Well, I've been living in the Gulf for almost 5 years now...and I'll admit it's often been frustrating. For many reasons. Particularly because there is very little contact between expats and locals. I don't get to discuss or debate my questions & frustrations. So, I'm grateful for any cultural expressions, presentations, or discussions that can provide me with some insight and understanding---that help me create meaning where I often find none.
5 years and you haven't been able to meet an arab friend and have one political/social/cultural discussion ?? none ever proposed to listen to their Umm Kulthum ?!?
Goodness!! Yep, indeed... they are definitively not learning anything from all the westerners that come and work in the Gulf !! why bother ?!?
That is one closed society ...
I could answer to your questions ... lucky me, I was born in Lebanon !!
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There's a copious amount of bigotry for a TED video. Both towards Islam and religion in general. The atheists seem to forget that science suggests that evolution caused humanity to create religion religion in turn led to the advancement of science. If you have to fight for survival are self-aware and have instincts other than self preservation then you need something to keep self preservation at the top. however as self preservation becomes dated we find atheists bigots bad as the inquisition
an exaggerated point shorted to the most colorful word choice due to the 500 character limi.t self preservation has not become lost there's still irrational fear all around us religion will become completely outdated in due time but there will still be those who hold on to it. the ancient Greeks needed many human gods to protect them though monotheism became more prominent as knowledge expanded(it just doesn't seem right for humans to be able to outwit a god in any field) soon atheism will rule
Doesn't seem likely, and your forgetting that there are plenty of irrational Atheist (Raelians, Scientologist...), although that may not be your point.
Religion did nothing to advance the cause of science. Religion stood against discovery and inquiry since the pagan Greeks. And as far as bigotry is concerned, take a read of the Quraan and see for yourself the bigotry, condemnation, and punishments awaiting the non-believer, (Kufr). The Hadiths are even worse. And the punishment for apostasy is death.
there are other punishment options for this in an Islamic state under shariah law. There are also exceptions and differences of opinion by the Scholars on this issue. If u accept Islam then leave n then start propagating your new way of life and start falsely speaking against Islam then most likely death penalty. But death for apostasy is not mentioned in the Quran specifically therefore this is what causes the difference of opinion amongst the scholars.
Whats the big deal about people who are religulous? God can have their soles, I just want whats inside their skull and if you cant extrat what you want or get them to do what you want then stop and try a different approach, there just people.
i once told a classmate (and he's pretty smart and not devoutly religious or anything) that i didnt have a religion and he couldnt comprehend that. i couldnt comprehend that he had a hard time comprehending. my point is that religion has had a huge impact on people in the sense that it makes them more close minded to things. my experience was a very minor, but i think, significant example.
You automatically believe religion is about believing in a God that strikes fire and brimstone, and believe christianity is responsible for the dark ages.
I`m not asking you to start having a religion, but It would help if you actually looked into what religion is before blabbering. I`d like to rave at a lot of christians too, but i`ll let it go today.
Its so hard to explain religion to non-believers because a lot of you are just stubborn. I don`t blame you, thats how people are. Religous people are just as stubborn. Your minds are closed and you refuse to listen to any reason beyond your own.
It's actually harder to explain reason and logic to believers. A vast majority of non-believers were once devout believers. The sort of intellectually rigorous atheist I'm describing really never falls into the dewy grass and sees the light of Jesus. It's quite the opposite, I'm afraid.
You can claim astrologists understand and implement logic and reason too, but theirs is found in astrological texts and mystics, but the reality is irrational beliefs are not logical or reasonable. They are utterly incompatible with logic and reason.
Logic and reason are a thought process, there tools, you can manipulate the tools and ues them in defferent ways but there still tools no matter what. thinking there is only one true way of uesing them is the type of thinking that is "utterly incompatible" with a progressive thought process. Im not trying too bash you I just wanted to bring that to your attention sorry to be a bother
I`m not saying religous people aren`t close minded. I know a lot of them are. But I`d be hard pressed to say non-religous people aren`t as close minded as any other religous person. Think about it - one group insists on the existance of a higher power. The other group insists on the lack of a higher power.
My opinion is to critically think on the subject, and then make your opinion (If you really want to make an informed opinion.)
I`m certainly not a specialist in the area, so I`ll just give my opinion of an atheist by definition: One who believes there is no higher power. I wanted to put in "and believes everything can be logically explained by man" but i`m not sure if thats right. Either way, I`m criticizing neither atheists nor religous, but those who BLINDLY follow either path without taking the time to think things through.
order and design does not come from a random event such as the big bang without being enforced by a creator
something does not come from nothing
its one of the most logical concepts to believe everything that has a duration, shape, and location has been created by something or some being outside those boundaries.
Ask yourself, if a race had a start to a start which had a start which had a start and so on, would anything really begin?
It's like saying I'll pick this table up if someone helps me and the following person says the same and so on for the next person, the table would actually never get lifted.
Yes but designs are something man imposes on something it sees. Just because something is complex and orderly doesn't mean it's a design. Yes, everything that exists must have a beginning, but that doesn't mean it must have been created by something intelligent. If you're going to use logic to confirm your beliefs, you shouldn't discard the rule of falsifiability.
so what implies as a design then?? If something contains order to it like you say then the order has to be enforced. It cannot be derived from spontaneous chaos.
Actually, it can. Diamonds for example are crystalline with very exact molecular structures and those were created by nature, not "God". Something is determined to be a "design" only if it's perceived by something intelligent. It's our way of making sense of the world and doesn't actually mean there is something intrinsic about the natural order of things that would suggest an intelligent creator.
the level of intelligence determines the complexity of the design.
there are many synthesizers out there but none have been able to come close to emulate the complexity of the human voice and many other examples like that. if these natural systems cannot be properly emulated then the originator of these natural creations must have a higher capability then us humans.
Actually that is not true. Even things as unintelligent by comparison to us such as bees can create extremely complex hives, or termites creating mounds.
Intelligence can create complexity, but that doesn't mean all complexity comes from intelligence. Just because we cannot understand something today, doesn't mean we never will or that we should submit our intellect to something we can't falsify.
Check out Christianty in Africa, befor you say it has gotten civilised! They are as full of shit, as the islamists.
I´ll now go and pray to the sun. Allmight sungod will strike all you unbelivers dead! ... Or maybe i´ll pray to the seagod, sky is a bit cloudy today.
pshh, you know nothing. Study a little before you blabber away. If it weren`t for the religous views, there wouldn`t be astrology, calculus, and a whole lot more shit.
Our civil and technological state has nothing to do with our religion, and if you really think it does, well, i got nothing more to say to you.
i do not see y ppl are mad about this. i mean here we see a women trying to complete a task u of the western secular world wanted, a chance for Islam to be a representation of tolerance like it use to be instead of what it is now to a majority of this world, intolerant and violent. if this was a video that directed atheism and non religious views, no one would be mad. why hate on this because of religion. be tolerant of change.
firefrostpeacemaker 1 month ago
the video with the chick was better..might i add we dont make young people defeat lifes challenges by injecting a numbing drug lik religion that numbs them and also builds fake self esteem its etter if we changed the system and evolved into a more democractically run system where people are given full oppotunities and justice is served i when we make the future better u relgions have been drugging people for years i think u would of come to tems with that after 4,000 yars of failue
timetochilli 8 months ago
Im Arab and never heard of your TV channel nor have I seen it anywhere...stfu...these guys are just trying to make money from anything.
blackrobe2007 9 months ago
@gorocca here does this help? IM A MUSLIM. man this bro mindakhlilkarak really embarassed u mashaAllah nuff said.
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy If you [are] a Muslim, then do not lie about Islam out of ignorance, and do not force your ultra-conservative opinion as "THE" truth, because this is not a behavior of a good student or academic, let alone Muslim. And never ever spit around the word "haram" when you have not studied Arab and Islamic Studies for many years, especially when those who have, disagree with that opinion. Drop the CAPS. And realize that non-Muslims read what you write. Don't be literalistic.
gorocca 1 year ago
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CornFedArmen 1 year ago
I Hate HOW SHE TALKED. SO insensitive and Inhumane
itocol 1 year ago
How do these people expect to teach people about Islaam through mediums that are not PART OF IT!! MUSIC IS HARAAM, IMAGES ARE HARAAM, AND EMBODYING ANY OF ALLAAHS ATTRIBUTES IN THE FORM OF HUMANS IS POLYTHEISM - SHIRK - WHICH TAKES YOU OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM AND INTO A PAGAN!!!
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy No it's not. Moron.
rlinfinity 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy <--- Hey bozo...if you think that any half-intelligent person actually believes that you're Muslim or in any way related to Islam, then think again. You're a clown, nothing more, and no intelligent person even considers for a second that you're Muslim. So you might as well save yourself the effort & time of scamming people just to make Muslims look close-minded. Lying moron indeed.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca the Prophet SAWS said "Whoever says to his brother: 'O disbeliever,' it becomes true of one of the two." It is narrated in al-Bukhari and Muslim.
IE: whoever calls their muslim brother a kafir and they are wrong then that person is the true kafir. I dunno what u personally believe but I know that if u think it is pernissable to draw Allahs attributes as human superheros then u have disbelieved in Islam and that is ur right to do so.
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy You are [not] my brother, bozo. As I said, you are not even Muslim, you're just pretending to be on public websites, then saying trash, to make people think that this is how Muslims are. You copy & paste hadith to make yourself look genuine, but it's not fooling me, nor would it fool any other educated person. What attributes of God are you even talking about you ignoramus? Just STFU and stop talking trash that nobody even understands because it is trash!
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca PS: I am proud that u hate me and don't consider me Muslim cuz if I was liked by someone like u it means I must be a real sleazeball. In fact if I woke up one morning and looked in the mirror and found out I was u that day I would probably be so ashamed that I wud just take a rope and hang myself
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy Yes, if you'd like to hang yourself, please be my guest. I don't think I'll stop someone like you. The world needs peacemaking, educated, and honest individuals, not lying, ignorant cretins like you just spreading hatred and ignorance and misconceptions about religions.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca Because you couldnt formulate a coherent response to the hadith that I posted you weaseled your way out of having to respond by saying i "cut and paste hadiths". Thats called a "Red herring" and it shows that you have no ingenuity or foundation for your method of debate.
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy Oh, you asked your Philosophy-major neighbor to "formulate" that comment of yours? Well guess what, moron, your hadith had absolutely nothing to do with our situation. You're talking about a situation of two Muslims, one of them calls the other a "disbeliever", and as clear as the sun, nobody here called anyone else a disbeliever. I dare you to find me or anyone here (other than YOU) using the word "disbeliever". Please, stop embarrassing yourself, STFU, and stop pretending.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca Just so you know, a non-Muslim is a disbeliever in Islaam. I.e. he doesn't believe in Al Islaam. So if someone accused a Muslim of not being so, then yes he indeed has called that person a disbeliever. There is the party of Allaah ta3aala and the party of ash shaytaan, no halfway mark on yaumul Qiyaamah. Needless to say, accusing a Muslim of not being one is horrifically dangerous, especially when the accusation is based on grounds as flimsy as yours appears to be based on.
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki I do not believe my grounds are flimsy. This anonymous person is posting on a public forum, visible to countless people across the world, writing in ALL CAPS, claiming music is "haram", which it isn't because there's difference of opinion on it among scholars & this cannot occur on "haram" things—maybe "makrooh" instead but not haram, also writing in all caps "images are haram", which has absolutely NO existence in THIS wording in Islam, so he is lying about Islam, 'nuf said.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca It's not sufficient for you to say 'music is not haram' in light of the consensus of the salaf (the early generations of Muslims) regarding the prohibition of musical instruments. Perhaps the brother meant drawing or constructing images of living creatures which is clearly prohibited. Regardless of whether you wish to accept these facts or not, repeatedly declaring the disbelief of the person who said those comments has no basis. Takfeer (excommunication) is very serious business.
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki Listen, bro, nobody did any takfeer here; a person, a total stranger, a random joe on a public Internet page, made some extreme, inaccurate and misleading comments about Islam, and I alerted other less-informed people, especially non-Muslims, to not believe that that person is in any way, shape, or form representative of Islam. That's [all] there is to it! Really. I don't care what he "perhaps" meant. There's no such thing as "images are haram" or "music is haram" in Islam.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca You seem to have missed my point, declaring Muslim individuals to be kaafirs based upon an inkling you have is reckless takfeer, worse than the khawaarij. And like I said I'm not here to try to force you to believe anything. What Allaah سبحانه و تعالى, the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه و سلم and the Salaf said regarding these prohibitions is sufficient for me and you have the right to accept or reject that.
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki You seem to have missed everything, on the other hand, and have no idea what the heck you're talking about. I did not declare anyone as "kaafir". Try to quote me calling anyone "kaafir" or disbeliever, I dare you. And if you're gonna have to INTERPRET to prove your point, then please do me, this board, and the world a favor, and shove it. And God does not say anything about music in the Quran; I dare you to prove that. Or...you proved your ignorance, so actually better: STFU.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca you said:
"As I said, you are not even Muslim"
then you said:
"Hey bozo...if you think that any half-intelligent person actually believes that you're Muslim or in any way related to Islam, then think again."
no interpretation needed.
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki The quotes you used only prove that I believe him to be an impostor, a liar; they have absolutely nothing to do with calling an actual monotheist submitter a disbeliever. So yes, either be truly rational, or do shove it. =) As for STFU and shove it, PLEASE do. This board can do without you two. As for verses, I didn't ask you to bring verses all day long, smartie pants. Just ONE verse from the Quran against music? For posterity? At least to prove you're not an ignoramus? =)
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca So a man claims to be Muslim (a monotheist submitter) and you say, not he's not. If you're going to declare takfeer of somebody, then be about it! Don't just try to snake away from it. If you feel bad that you made takfeer, then seek repentance. الله تبارك و تعالى هو التواب الرحيم ..
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki Dude, you really need to work on your attitude, coz it sucks almost as much as your arguments and lies. No, I don't feel I made takfeer nor do I need to repent. You said "a man claims to be Muslim", and I dare you to prove this; quote that man directly claiming to be Muslim, in unequivocal terms. You'll fail miserably, and realize you have no idea what you're talking about, and I HOPE...by then, you either STFU, or work on your attitude & double check your references.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca و في النسبة الى الاغاني يقول ربنا عز و جل في سورة لقمان اية 6 ((وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَشْتَرِي لَهْوَ الْحَدِيثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَيَتَّخِذَهَا هُزُوًا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ)) و يقول عالم الامة عبد الله ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما في هذه الاية 'هو الغناء' و اوصيك يا فلان بتقوى الله قبل ان تستهزء باقوال الصحابه كما اتوقع منك... و نسأل الله العافية و السلامة
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki لا يستهزئ بكلام صحابي إلا جاهل أو كافر، وابن عباس رضي الله عنه لم يقل هذا فقط، بل أقسم عليه، ولكن كلّ يؤخذ منه ويرد إلا المعصوم عليه الصلاة والسلام. هذا أولاً. ثانياً، أنا طلبت منك دليل من القرآن على تحريم الموسيقى، ولم أطلب منك دليل على تحريم الغناء. ثالثاً، المضحك في الأمر هو أن أكثر الأئمة تشدداً لا يحرم الغناء من الأصل! =) بدليل طلع البدر علينا بالدفّ، وبدليل الغناء بالدف للعرس، وبدليل مئات الأغاني الإسلامية التي تعتمد على الدف فقط. فلا يمكن أن يكون الغناء حرام.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca عبد الله ابن عبّاس ليس الوحيد الذي يقول ان الاية نزلت في الاغاني بل وافقه و اقسم عليه عالم من علماء الصحابه عبد الله ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه و يوافقه ايضا الحسن البصري و اكثر المفسرين المعتبرين فمن نحن لنهجر اقوال السلف -بلا دليل- و نتبع اهوائنا.. و الاناشيد تختلف عن الاغاني
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki إذن فإنه لا يوجد دليل من القرآن على تحريم الموسيقى، ويوجد فقط آية تشير إلى "لهو الحديث" فسرها صحابي على أنها تعني الغناء، وكل الأمة تعرف أن الغناء حلال. جميل. وبعض العلماء أيضاً اختلفوا في معنى "المعازف" من الحديث، هل هي الآلات نفسها أم جلسات الأنس والرقص والموسيقى التي يصاحبها منكر واتباع شهوات؟ وبما أن الحلال بيّن، والحرام بيّن، إذن فأي شيء حكمه بالتحديد "حرام" كتصنيف فقهي يجب أن يكون هذا الحكم فيه شديد الوضوح، ولا لهو الحديث = غناء ولا معنى المعازف شديد الوضوح، فلا حرام هنا
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca وإن ظننتني أنا متكبراً، فإن لأظنك متنطعاً، وقد قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: هلك المتنطعون، قالها ثلاثاً
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca قلت انك قلت كلمة بتكبر..لانك شتمتني عدة مرات بلا سبب..و لكن لو اردت ان تعرض علي حسناتك ساقبل منك و نسال الله العافية و السلامة
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki أنا لم أقل كلمة بتكبر، بل قلت أن تقول أنت كلاماً يُعقل وبدليل ومرجع، خاصة عندما تتهم مسلماً بالتكفير، أو لتصمت بحق الحجيم أو تضع كلامك في أقرب ثقب أسود. وإن قلت أنت أن هذا تكبر، لقلت أنا أن كلامك كان متنطعاٌ متفلسفاً ومتنقياً ما يساعدك على أن تبدو عادلاً فين أنك واضح أن لك أجندة محددة من البداية. فلا، لن تعرض عليك حسناتي، بل أنت واهم وتدعي معرفة الغيب...أنا أرحب باليوم الذي قد يقتص أحدنا من الآخر حقيقة
gorocca 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki وبخصوص الموسيقى، اتبع أنت التفسير القائل بأن لهو الحديث هو الغناء، واقنع نفسك بعد ذلك بأن "الأناشيد" شيء مختلف عن الغناء!! أنا عن نفسي لا أردد هذا التحوير والتدوير في الألفاظ على أي أحد في العصر الحالي، لأنه كلام مضحك ولا يُعقل. أولاً: أنتم تسمحم لأنفسكم أن تقولون: لهو الحديث = الغناء، ولكن الغناء /= الأناشيد!! ولا تسمحوا لنا أن نفسر المعازف بجلسات الأنس التي يشوبها منكر بيّن؟! سبحان الله، هدى الله جهل هذه الأمة. لا ينكر المختلف فيه ولكن ينكر المجمع عليه، وكفى
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca انت الذي ذكرت العلماء فلا تعيب علي.. و للذي يريد ان يعرف الفرق بين الاغاني و الاناشيد فليبحث في القامس..و على كل حال لك الحق ان تختلف معي ما في هدف للمناقسة على الفاضي..اخر الكلام نحن مسلمين و لا اريد ان نكون عدوين فاعذرني لو قلت كلمة بلا ادب في لحظة الغضب
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki واعذرني أنت لو رددت عليك بشدة، فإني ممن يميل إلى طريقة عمر بن الخطاب مثلاً عن طريقة عثمان بن عفان، ولا أقارن نفسي بهم أبداً، بل أتحدث عن ما أميل إليه بالفطرة. أما عن الغناء، فهاهي بعض الحقائق اللغوية عن الكلمة: في حديث عائشة: وعندي جارِيتان تُغَنِّيانِ بغِناءِ بُعاثَ أَي تُنْشِدانِ الأشعارَ التي قيلَتْ يومَ بُعاث، وهو حربٌ كانت بين الأنصار، ولم تُرِدِ الغِناء المعروفَ بين أَهلِ اللَّهْوِ واللَّعِبِ، وقد رَخَّصَ عمر، رضي الله عنه، في غناءِ الأعرابِ وهو صوتٌ كالحُداءِ.
gorocca 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki تكملة الكلام عن الغناء: كلُّ مَنْ رَفَع صوتَه ووَالاهُ فصَوْتُه عند العرب غِناءٌ. وبالتالي، فإن كلمة الغناء نفسها تحتمل التأويل، بل وتستدعي وتجبر المفسر أو المعلم أو الطالب أن يشرح المقصود بالضبط من الكلمة. وطالما تحتمل التأويل وتستدعي التفصيل، فهي لازم ولابد أن تحتمل الاختلاف. وفي كل الأحوال، فهي لم تغطي العزف على آلة موسيقية لإنتاج موسيقى تصويرية لفيلم وثائقي إسلامي مثلاً. وبالتالي، لا ينكر المختلف فيه وإنما ينكر المجمع عليه؛ والأهم: الحلال بيّن، والحرام بيّن، تحريمه واضح
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca و قبل ان تردد قولك القبيح STFU بهذا التكبر اعلم يا فلان انك تخاطب عبدا من عباد الله المسلمين و ان الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم قد نهى عن كثرة اللعن حيث قال ""ليس المؤمن بالطعّان ولا الاعّان ولا الفاحش ولا البذيء"" وصدق رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki وهناك دليل آخر على أن الموسيقى لا يمكن أن تكون حرام، وإن كانت مكروهة أو في بند المشتبهات. وهو أن الله ذكر منافع للخمر والميسر في القرآن، ولا يختلف عاقلان أن الموسيقى، في صورتها التي تخلو من الفحش والمنكر المبين، فقط بعزف آلة موسيقية مثلاً في فيلم وثائقي أو إسلامي إعلامي، لها فوائد أكثر بكثير من فوائد الخمر أو الميسر. فإن كانت الموسيقى حرام، لكان الأولى أن يذكرها الله في القرآن فيقول فيها ما قاله في الخمر والميسر: لها فوائد، ولكن ضررها أكبر من نفعها، فلنجتنبها، وهو ما لم يحدث
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca هذا قياس باطل لان هناك دليل على تحريم الاغاني في القران ..و توجد هذه الادلة في اكثر من اية و هناك دليل على تحريم المعازف في الحديث الذي يرويه البخاري عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم ""ليكونن من أمتي أقوام يستحلون الحر والحرير والخمر والمعازف"" قال ابن القيم رحمه الله "قرن المعازف مع المقطوع حرمته وهو الزنا والخمر ، ولو لم تكن محرمة لما قرنها معها" و قد وصف علماء معتبرون ما معنى كلمة معازف
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@gorocca و هي كما قال شيخ الاسلام "آلات اللهو عند أهل اللغة ، وهذا اسم يتناول هذه الآلات كلها" ويستثنى من هذا الدف في بعض المواقع (النكاح و الاعياد للنساء)لا نحتاج الى الجدال كما قال العلماء: العبرة بما قام عليه الدليل لا بما خالفه
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@gorocca
I could bring you verses all day but you won't accept it so me not waste either one of our time.
"shove it"
"STFU"
no interpretation needed for those either, nice manners! I guess when discussing rationally fails then cursing people out is fun. Don't worry, indulge :)
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki If you [really] are a Muslim who cares about his faith, and you are half-educated, then the way to say it is, "Drawing living beings is forbidden in Islam, except for cartoons" which is the accurate verdict; saying that drawing living beings in cartoons or caricature is haram is pure ignorance. You'd also say that "most scholars of Islam forbid music", rather than "Music IS haram". All due respect to Salaf, respectable prominent historical & contemporary scholars permit music.
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca It seems you think those that follow the prohibitions on music, singing, and constructing images of living creatures as understood by the salaf to be extreme, and want to let the world know that this is not what Islam says. I'm not here to force you to believe anything, but I hope you realize that by declaing that Muslims to be disbelievers, you have fallen into one of the severest forms of extremism reminiscent of the Khawaarij at the time of Ali ibn Abi Talib رضي الله عنه
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki Oh, and if you're SO concerned about takfeer, my reasonable bro, then read that random joe's words again. Let me quote him if you missed his ALL-CAPS pearls of moderate wisdom: "POLYTHEISM - SHIRK - WHICH TAKES YOU OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM AND INTO A PAGAN!!!" So I ask you, WHO exactly is doing takfeer or condemnation here, me...or him? Me when telling him that he hasn't fooled anyone, or him when saying: if you represent God's mercy by a cartoon character then you're a pagan?
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca Allaah's specfic names are attributes of Allaah سبحانه و تعالى So if you draw pictures of them then it's forging a graven image. Allaah being Ar-Rahmaan is superlative and there's nothing like Allaah. "Are meant to embody the attributes of Allaah" is one of the most blatant examples of comparing Allah to his creation that I've ever heard. Allaah says in the Qur'an ليس كمثله شيء و هو السميع البصير There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki All what you're talking about, regarding likening anything whatsoever to God, has little to do with the 99 names of God referred to in Islam. There are MANY of those 99 names that are perfectly suitable to us for describing individuals. Examples? Wise حكيم, one of the 99 names, perfectly acceptable to say a man is wise رجل حكيم. More? ودود شهيد قوي حميد تواب نافع ضار بديع, and so on. Things can be dangerous if they cover محيي literally, but they can always go for healer instead
gorocca 1 year ago
@gorocca Allaah's attributes are in the superlative form always and people can strive to be حميد حكيم if they want to Al7amdulilaah. But to say that this cartoon character is a representation of Allaah's specific attributes is off the wall.
mindakhilikaraki 1 year ago
@mindakhilikaraki I agree that the 99 thing is a bit dodgy, dangerous territory, شبهة. However, Shereen isn't a scholar, so it was a slip of tongue of her to say "attributes" instead of names. The characters are actually representing the 99 names of God, not God's "attributes". And so long as the designers or writers do not idolize, deify, or turn a name like reviver or محيي into the literal action of bringing someone from death to life (like Prophet Jesus's miracles), then it's not a disaster.
gorocca 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy The most amazing thing is, a moron with a name like "your envious enemy", pretends to be Muslim AND quotes copied & pasted hadith! If anyone's reading this, please don't ever think this bozo, yourenviousenemy, is a Muslim. Some people get online, pretend to be Muslim, then talk trash, threaten others, call others disbelievers & infidels, and say this & that are haram (forbidden), just to stain the image of Islam & make its followers look aggressive & backward, and they're liars
gorocca 1 year ago
lets face the facts. islam truly is an intolerant facist ideology with a spiritual twist. dont try and sugarcoat it. its the very book that breeds terrorism. its not gonna change untill you target the root cause. and that
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
Cherry picking the qu'ran and ignoring the history of conquest and destruction of local culture while only paying attention to syncretism and integration.
She is too stupid. She sounds like a high school student, and makes similar points.
hymnofashes 1 year ago 2
So we will see some islamic wolverine or something soon ? lol Lets hope this guy aind declare jihad on us :D
cyberdaemon 1 year ago
this is great
rosenberg011 1 year ago
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Ms. Shereen El Feki is possibly the most ignorant or disingenuous cultural critic I have witnessed. To suggest, as Ms. Feki does at the beginning of her clueless analysis, that the west and the Muslim world will not do well if put side by side because our MTV isn't like their MTV is preposterous. Allow me clue you on to something Shereen. In the west if one person is a Jew and the next a Buddhist they dont strap a bomb to their chest and blow them selves up. The problem is Islam not comic books.
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
I'm sorry but Islam is not the source of the problem nor is it right to blame any religion to be the cause because we simply treat with each others as human beings
abr009 2 years ago
we have Muslims living next to Jews and Christians in a peaceful atmosphere without "strapping a bomb to their chest and blowing them selves up" as you say please keep the religions out of the subject as human beings are not totally controlled by their religions so please don't be one of those that simply absorb what's coming from biased media
abr009 2 years ago 14
@abr009 Beliefs have consequences.
hymnofashes 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
and as to the presentation done about Arabs taking brands it's simply nonsense it's actually the west trying to diversify their product in a way that -they think- would make them appealing to the Arab world
abr009 2 years ago
The sad flipside of positive cultural exchange and adaptation is negative cultural exchange. For every positive image (superheroes) there is a negative one (warmongers).
The question is, is humanity strong enough to grow past the negativity?
I sincerely hope so.
Henrik
KirneH004 2 years ago 5
Grow past negativity? That is either the widest net of all time or you don't truly have an understanding of the situation. While i respect the sentiment, if indeed genuine, to not pose the question plainly and precisely lends its self to enabling those who would perpetuate such intolerance, death, and destruction.
The question is does the human race, the Arab world in this case, have the strength to move past superstition and hate?
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
Do the rest of us have the strength to do it?
KirneH004 2 years ago
i'm tired of religion
why are we in the 21st century still believing in god?
humans are stupid
really really stupid
TheCrocoduck 2 years ago
Being intolerant of religion is just as bad as two religions being intolerant of each other. In other words, being an asshole transcends Christianity or Islam.
Fittykent 2 years ago
religions are intolerant of other people and prefer superstition. no religion gives respect yet they demand respect. as an atheist, i'm intolerant of intolerance. to say being intolerant as other religions is a bad thing, is not correct. it depends what you're standing for. i'm standing for reason, good science, rationality, equality and peace. all religions distort these and bring societies to its knees and cripple them.
religion is a cancer to mankind.
TheCrocoduck 2 years ago 2
I fail to see how being a Christian or Jew or Hindu or whatever suddenly causes you to start hating other people for having a difference in their respective choice of deity. If you want to view the world as divided among religious lines and ignore the intrinsically human emotions of greed, jealousy, and lust for power, then that's your problem.
Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. Too bad you can't see past your own prejudice against religion.
Fittykent 2 years ago
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TheCrocoduck 2 years ago
religion causes segregation which causes MORE IGNORANCE which makes this world shittier place to live in. no religious school teaches children about other religions, which causes ignorance. as a christian, muslim, etc, you see others as being 'lower than you'. i'm not making this up; i see this everyday. religion is going to kill us
fuck religion and above anything FUCK GOD
TheCrocoduck 2 years ago
america (the most religious country around) will not vote an atheist into president. yes that's right; if i don't believe that some deluded jew 2000 yrs ago rose from the dead and physically ascended into the sky and that we're all going to join him in Armageddon, then i'm not fit for president in the 21st century. and don't even get me started on the middle east.
TheCrocoduck 2 years ago
@Fittykent
Its magical thinking. There is no logic and people believe not in truth, but what their religious leaders say.
Mostly its harmless. But it sets the ground for legitimizing and respecting who have imaginary friends and imaginary edicts.
kurtu5 2 years ago
"Science without religion is lame" - now that's a ridiculous statement.
UserNameForYeeTube 2 years ago 2
@Fittykent
Sir do you take us all for fools? To pretend "...the intrinsically human emotions of greed, jealousy, and lust for power..." are more a cause for intolerance than religion, is tantamount to denying the holocaust. You can make the argument, but you're still wrong, and everyone knows it. I don't truly think you believe such a thing. Perhaps you would revise you're comments?
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
and as to the presentation done about Arabs taking brands it's simply nonsense it's actually the west trying to diversify their product in a way that -they think- would make them appealing to the Arab world
abr009 2 years ago
@Fittykent
poor me
kurtu5 2 years ago
"Its videos are intended to show a kinder, gentler face of Islam for young people to" BE INDOCTRINATED INTO IT
Balian49 2 years ago
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m3lech 2 years ago
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m3lech 2 years ago
the Quran says "We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another" not learn from each other
aliila123456 2 years ago 2
First of all, the Quran wasn't originally written in english, therefore it has been translated into english.
Second of all, in your version of the Quran you wrote that ""We have created you from a male and a female" does this make sense to you? Assuming that this part of your quotation is poorly translated, the final part is probably poorly translated as well. I'm guessing the a better translation would be:
We have created you into both males and females... may learn form one another.
dalg101 2 years ago
Vapid. Hopeful, but vapid.
andymcgaha 2 years ago 2
U guys r biased...
rapperyz 2 years ago
Silly & superficial talk! Sad.
ArabianDesertMonkey 2 years ago
Crass video. Ted videos are not what they were - recommend anyone wishing quality subjects and debates watch the earliest videos. For some reason I keep myself subscribed in the hope things improve but the ration of bad to good content is doing a major hockey stick effect to coin a modern buzz word.
yavanna1969 2 years ago
I did not like this video
kawuabonga 2 years ago 2
This was only SLIGHTLY insulting to my intelligence until she claimed that "we made you into nations and tribes so you could learn from one another" were "wise words". Seriously? If you think those are wise words, you'll LOVE the average after school special.
If you take the shiny, glossy finish from a modern day society and apply it to a society which is still culturally in the Bronze Age, this will NOT help us become best buddies. It's like an alcaholic putting his beer in a coke can.
Flyborg 2 years ago 4
@Flyborg : Exactly. Your comment is BANG ON. Looks like they've picked up the superficialities of the post-Enlightenment world without any appreciation for the values of the Enlightenment that got it there.
geodesicks 2 years ago 2
Wouldnt it be something if every arab that came to the us to preach tolerance for islam also had to go to an arabic country to preach tolerance for judaism?
Cannibalzz 2 years ago
this woman was a bit preachy for my liking.
roidroid 2 years ago
tolerance for religion should only have as much place as tolerance for racism. Religion is not a race its a believe system we should not tolerate stupid believe systems if we do we harm society by allowing it to spread those stupid believe systems to kids. We are intolerant of racism because it is harmful and we should be intolerant of religion because it is also harmful. Just because you learn from other nations how to build bombs doesnt mean you wont use them on those nations.
princeofexcess 2 years ago 5
so agree
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
@princeofexcess Your comparison of religion, as a belief system related to the after-life and which supports justice & protection of other human beings, to racism, as the practice of discrimination & hatred against other human beings, is as idiotic, brainless, and moronic as...well, as you, because I've never read in my life a comment this disgusting & idiotic, not even from atheists! You, moron, are the epitome of a willing cretin!
gorocca 1 year ago
The hijab/tudung is simply replacement of mammal fur/hair/aura with synthetic cover, usually today it is fine woven nylon fabric from petroleum. Arabs et al wear 'oil' on their head to reduce water loss (sweat), if you live in hot dry desert, you adapt or perish.
DDeden 2 years ago
WOW People. It is an interesting talk! Stop rating it less just cause she speaks from an Islamic point of view and you think her religion is stupid. Fucking idiots.
0Krusnik0 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but this came off like some chick trying to push a religion through propaganda. And I'd say the same for every other religion that tries to doll up their views by soaking it in 'pop culture'. If you want Islam to be respected by more ppl, just have it flow w/ every day life. IMO, the more discreet a religion is, the greater chance of it being viewed positively by the masses. That's one of the problems w/ Islam, ppl try too hard when promoting it...
punkposer 2 years ago 2
No, she's showing her culture taking our ways to communicate culture for its own. I fucking doubt any anti-theist is gonna bother watching this unless they've got a rat up their ass.
0Krusnik0 2 years ago
fuck islam
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
Now u r Perfect !
jenjerx 2 years ago
Early Christianity started off much in the same way as some more intolerant interpretations of the Qua'an. I'm sure if Jesus had access to plains, there would be even more of a correlation.
This video states the importance of transcending religion itself. Using religion to, quite ironically, create less dogmatic ways of thought. This kind of progressive thinking, while not without "faith because, because," is still very hopeful and suggests a more compassionate and tolerant future.
Baldingchimp 2 years ago
Islam is probably creating more atheist in this day in age than converting.
BorderlineOffensive 2 years ago 4
Right but how come?
jenjerx 2 years ago
Rescue Islam from images of intolerance? They will have to start by eliminating "honor" killings, bombings, hyper reactivity to cartoons, kidnappings, and the subjugation of women, to start. They might have to also remove passages from the Koran which advocate violence too.
camino1ca 2 years ago 5
It would be like the Church of England coming out with a video game and some pseudo-sociologist trying to portray it as the advancement of English culture as a whole. When it really is a sort of memetic adaptation. Which, is fine by the way, Christianity and Buddhism adapt pop-culture too, but you can't expect to claim that as an innovation worthy of the TED conference. "Sharia goes digital" isn't remarkable in any way.
hyderunner 2 years ago
What does all of this mean anyway. Repeated litanies of Arab accomplishments used as a defense of Islam. No wonder there is so much animosity towards Arabs, when Muslims try to direct the entire progress of the culture. It really infuriates secular Arabs when radical muslims paint themselves as the most modern progression of the Arab culture, and then revisionist sociologists want to use Barbie dolls and music videos to show that "Arabs are evolving culturally"
hyderunner 2 years ago
"After all, it's the Qu'ran which encourages us to do this"
Talk for yourself woman.
"We made you into nations and tribes so that you could learn from one another".
She forgot the following verse:
"We also introduced religion so that you have an excuse to kill each other"
meakhbar 2 years ago
Those muslim fula barbie dolls are actually banned in some muslim countries.
ericaj58 2 years ago 3
such stupidity that shocks no one.
Trying to bring bronze age myths of idiots,accepted by the mindless, into a present day society based on lobotomized brainless drones....great
godlessmessiah 2 years ago
So interesting....but too short!!
pcoristi 2 years ago
you find burka barbies interesting ?? Please do explain ...
operaholic001 2 years ago
Well, I've been living in the Gulf for almost 5 years now...and I'll admit it's often been frustrating. For many reasons. Particularly because there is very little contact between expats and locals. I don't get to discuss or debate my questions & frustrations. So, I'm grateful for any cultural expressions, presentations, or discussions that can provide me with some insight and understanding---that help me create meaning where I often find none.
pcoristi 2 years ago
5 years and you haven't been able to meet an arab friend and have one political/social/cultural discussion ?? none ever proposed to listen to their Umm Kulthum ?!?
Goodness!! Yep, indeed... they are definitively not learning anything from all the westerners that come and work in the Gulf !! why bother ?!?
That is one closed society ...
I could answer to your questions ... lucky me, I was born in Lebanon !!
operaholic001 2 years ago
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There's a copious amount of bigotry for a TED video. Both towards Islam and religion in general. The atheists seem to forget that science suggests that evolution caused humanity to create religion religion in turn led to the advancement of science. If you have to fight for survival are self-aware and have instincts other than self preservation then you need something to keep self preservation at the top. however as self preservation becomes dated we find atheists bigots bad as the inquisition
cnmaster01 2 years ago
Luckily, I've never had an atheist come at me with thumbscrews. You poor thing! Where do you live, that would allow people to do that?? :(
EllyEve 2 years ago
an exaggerated point shorted to the most colorful word choice due to the 500 character limi.t self preservation has not become lost there's still irrational fear all around us religion will become completely outdated in due time but there will still be those who hold on to it. the ancient Greeks needed many human gods to protect them though monotheism became more prominent as knowledge expanded(it just doesn't seem right for humans to be able to outwit a god in any field) soon atheism will rule
cnmaster01 2 years ago 2
Doesn't seem likely, and your forgetting that there are plenty of irrational Atheist (Raelians, Scientologist...), although that may not be your point.
camino1ca 2 years ago
Yeah...What you said...rock on
JohnnyTaco01 2 years ago
Religion did nothing to advance the cause of science. Religion stood against discovery and inquiry since the pagan Greeks. And as far as bigotry is concerned, take a read of the Quraan and see for yourself the bigotry, condemnation, and punishments awaiting the non-believer, (Kufr). The Hadiths are even worse. And the punishment for apostasy is death.
CHAS1422 2 years ago 2
Why are you marked as spam?
CMSeter 2 years ago
If children unsubcribe from the 99 is the punishment death? Like apostocy from islam?
burn70u7 2 years ago 3
there are other punishment options for this in an Islamic state under shariah law. There are also exceptions and differences of opinion by the Scholars on this issue. If u accept Islam then leave n then start propagating your new way of life and start falsely speaking against Islam then most likely death penalty. But death for apostasy is not mentioned in the Quran specifically therefore this is what causes the difference of opinion amongst the scholars.
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
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What a bunch of propaganda and crap! Arabs are violent animals, and islam is horsesh1t! Who does this UGLY arab b1tch think she's fooling?
atlantoon 2 years ago
that was great
ferre347 2 years ago
I would think that it'd be best NOT to encourage people towards religion and superstition, rather than attempt to lure them in using music videos.
Not a good sign
normskis69 2 years ago
"US traffic creates 45% of the world's air pollution"??? Since when did traffic overtake the industry??
Waranoa 2 years ago
Islam= Evil.................
jjmm112 2 years ago
Let me guess... and Cristianty = Good?
>.>
Nyxion95 2 years ago
Nyx. Do you mean "Christianity"?.
jjmm112 2 years ago
No he meant Cristianity, are you blind?
Waranoa 2 years ago 3
War. It is spelled "christianity", are you blind?.
jjmm112 2 years ago
jjmm112, are you able to distinguish between Islam and Arab?
segankuz 2 years ago
seg. Yes.
jjmm112 2 years ago
jjmm112, I'm not sure you are.
segankuz 2 years ago
seg. I am!. Just checked your channel. You think I`m a Jesus freak?- lol!! . I`m atheist my friend.
jjmm112 2 years ago
Heh, I knew someone was going to comment on that massacre. After I submitted it I asked myself... "Did you honestly just spell that that way?"
I liked Waranoa's comment... hehe.
Anywho, I think the bottom line is that people do more evil things in the name of religion than they do evil for any other reason.
:)
Nyxion95 2 years ago
Nyx. I know the feeling!!- lol!.
Waranoa`s misspelling got 2 thumb`s up!, so sad...- lol!!.
I totally agree, any of the 3 abrahamic religion`s are pure evil when stupid ppl take them as they are written.
Peace (NOT in the biblical sense!-lol!!).
jjmm112 2 years ago
very intersting info, we never see the pop culture in arab countries
maha77 2 years ago
Second worst video posted on this channel, second only to Rick Warren crap stain of a book talk.
fourthirteen 2 years ago
I lol'd so hard at that guy's make up at 1:59
FGGTZORZ 2 years ago 2
Whats the big deal about people who are religulous? God can have their soles, I just want whats inside their skull and if you cant extrat what you want or get them to do what you want then stop and try a different approach, there just people.
killcreek666 2 years ago
i once told a classmate (and he's pretty smart and not devoutly religious or anything) that i didnt have a religion and he couldnt comprehend that. i couldnt comprehend that he had a hard time comprehending. my point is that religion has had a huge impact on people in the sense that it makes them more close minded to things. my experience was a very minor, but i think, significant example.
leilei383 2 years ago
You automatically believe religion is about believing in a God that strikes fire and brimstone, and believe christianity is responsible for the dark ages.
I`m not asking you to start having a religion, but It would help if you actually looked into what religion is before blabbering. I`d like to rave at a lot of christians too, but i`ll let it go today.
tinrac 2 years ago
Its so hard to explain religion to non-believers because a lot of you are just stubborn. I don`t blame you, thats how people are. Religous people are just as stubborn. Your minds are closed and you refuse to listen to any reason beyond your own.
tinrac 2 years ago
It's actually harder to explain reason and logic to believers. A vast majority of non-believers were once devout believers. The sort of intellectually rigorous atheist I'm describing really never falls into the dewy grass and sees the light of Jesus. It's quite the opposite, I'm afraid.
ArgoSG 2 years ago 3
Believers understand reason and logic, their reason is that of their leaders resoning and their logic is what thier bible teaches them.
killcreek666 2 years ago
You can claim astrologists understand and implement logic and reason too, but theirs is found in astrological texts and mystics, but the reality is irrational beliefs are not logical or reasonable. They are utterly incompatible with logic and reason.
ArgoSG 2 years ago
Logic and reason are a thought process, there tools, you can manipulate the tools and ues them in defferent ways but there still tools no matter what. thinking there is only one true way of uesing them is the type of thinking that is "utterly incompatible" with a progressive thought process. Im not trying too bash you I just wanted to bring that to your attention sorry to be a bother
killcreek666 2 years ago
I`m not saying religous people aren`t close minded. I know a lot of them are. But I`d be hard pressed to say non-religous people aren`t as close minded as any other religous person. Think about it - one group insists on the existance of a higher power. The other group insists on the lack of a higher power.
My opinion is to critically think on the subject, and then make your opinion (If you really want to make an informed opinion.)
tinrac 2 years ago
What exactly do you think atheists are certain of? Objective reality has nothing to do with opinion.
ArgoSG 2 years ago
I`m certainly not a specialist in the area, so I`ll just give my opinion of an atheist by definition: One who believes there is no higher power. I wanted to put in "and believes everything can be logically explained by man" but i`m not sure if thats right. Either way, I`m criticizing neither atheists nor religous, but those who BLINDLY follow either path without taking the time to think things through.
tinrac 2 years ago
order and design does not come from a random event such as the big bang without being enforced by a creator
something does not come from nothing
its one of the most logical concepts to believe everything that has a duration, shape, and location has been created by something or some being outside those boundaries.
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
so something must have made the creator.....
tetranoob 2 years ago
Ask yourself, if a race had a start to a start which had a start which had a start and so on, would anything really begin?
It's like saying I'll pick this table up if someone helps me and the following person says the same and so on for the next person, the table would actually never get lifted.
I hope I make some sense.
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
Btw just remembered these simple analogies
You feel the wind but you can't see it
You feel pain but you can't see it or show it
You know you have a great great grandmother and it's common sense to say your existence is proof of her existence. Isn't it?
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
Yes but designs are something man imposes on something it sees. Just because something is complex and orderly doesn't mean it's a design. Yes, everything that exists must have a beginning, but that doesn't mean it must have been created by something intelligent. If you're going to use logic to confirm your beliefs, you shouldn't discard the rule of falsifiability.
Radjehuty 2 years ago
so what implies as a design then?? If something contains order to it like you say then the order has to be enforced. It cannot be derived from spontaneous chaos.
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
Actually, it can. Diamonds for example are crystalline with very exact molecular structures and those were created by nature, not "God". Something is determined to be a "design" only if it's perceived by something intelligent. It's our way of making sense of the world and doesn't actually mean there is something intrinsic about the natural order of things that would suggest an intelligent creator.
Radjehuty 2 years ago
Nature itself is part of our perception and it's something we use to classify certain things. So how can 'nature' create anything?
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
yes i agree many thigs in this world are based on perception due to things such as free will, but this is what divides the sincere from the insincere
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
sorry cnt reply anymore tonight gota go sleep. Peace
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
the level of intelligence determines the complexity of the design.
there are many synthesizers out there but none have been able to come close to emulate the complexity of the human voice and many other examples like that. if these natural systems cannot be properly emulated then the originator of these natural creations must have a higher capability then us humans.
hypothetikal89 2 years ago
Actually that is not true. Even things as unintelligent by comparison to us such as bees can create extremely complex hives, or termites creating mounds.
Intelligence can create complexity, but that doesn't mean all complexity comes from intelligence. Just because we cannot understand something today, doesn't mean we never will or that we should submit our intellect to something we can't falsify.
Radjehuty 2 years ago 2
irrespective of the subject matter, that was a pretty weak presentation (by TED standards)...
EvanChaim 2 years ago 2
Religion is stupid. You can try to make it seem "family friendly" all you want. But it's still retarded.
TheWiseCommenter 2 years ago
Edit : "...have been disconnected..."
NilDesperandum777 2 years ago
The video of the religious song at 1:50 is hilarious. Like a bad bollywood movie. Can anyone tell me what it's called?
DoJaenin 2 years ago
Check out Christianty in Africa, befor you say it has gotten civilised! They are as full of shit, as the islamists.
I´ll now go and pray to the sun. Allmight sungod will strike all you unbelivers dead! ... Or maybe i´ll pray to the seagod, sky is a bit cloudy today.
damuschka 2 years ago
pshh, you know nothing. Study a little before you blabber away. If it weren`t for the religous views, there wouldn`t be astrology, calculus, and a whole lot more shit.
Our civil and technological state has nothing to do with our religion, and if you really think it does, well, i got nothing more to say to you.
tinrac 2 years ago
"If it weren't for religious views, there wouldn't be astrology"...
LOL
Don't embarrass yourself, uninstall your web browser immediately.
ArgoSG 2 years ago 5
"If it weren't for religious views, there wouldn't be astrology"
yeah, pity that . . .
ancalites 2 years ago 3
If you commented on that coz i mixed up astrology with astronomy, than yeah, i deserve to uninstall my browser.
if its coz YOU mixed up astrology with astronomy, and still felt my statement was a sack of balls, get your program uninstaller out.
tinrac 2 years ago