"Profesinal boxing" hahahahahahahah at 6:45 AND 8:02 THAT'S PROFESIONAL BOXING at its best! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! That's being a clown...and clowns belong at the circus...Have you noticed that defensive boxing is -almost exclusively- used by BLACK boxers?
Chavez was an excellent defensive boxer; but he wasn't running all over the place trying not to get hit. Some people see defensive boxing as something desirable; and it is; but only as the spice of the meal; not as the meal itself. I want defensive boxing NOT TO LOOK LIKE defensive boxing. When defensive boxing is obvious; then it becomes BOOORRIINNNGGGGG...I don't pay to see boring guys running all over the ring; its time to draw the 8 feet circle in the middle of the ring.
Just draw an 8 feet -in diameter- circle in the center of the ring; take a point from a boxer everytime he gets out of that circle; now, that should make boxing a more interesting sport! No more "Stinging like a bee, and flying like a butterfly" bunch of crap! One day that rule is going to be adoped and things will be a lot better; so you want to avoid being hit?; then pay for it! Are we paying millions of Dollars, just to see punks avoiding getting hit? Hell no! I want them to die 4 the money!
I know a lot about boxing; you don't know anything about boxing.....mmmmm let me see...Yes, plain human stupidity. So you know a lot; but I don't know anything...You are confused: Being a T.V. watcher of anything doesn't make you better than any other T.V. watcher; when you fight your 100th bout, then you can say you know something about boxing. I want to get my money's worth; I want mother fuckers of any color or race to bleed to death.
@shoulderollHD Whitaker got a TWO gift decisions against Wilfredo Rivera, gift decision against Buddy McGirft, lost his lost fight against Bojorquez, got and stomped by Felix Trinidad. He ran too much against De la Hoya and also ran in his first fight against Ramirez. He avoided so many fighters its not even funny. I can name them if you want.
@shoulderollHD Whitaker lost to Bojorquez, sorry buddy. He also lost to Trinidad, needed two gift decisions against Rivera, a gift decision against Buddy McGirt (who fought with an injured arm) and did deserve his losses against De la Hoya and Ramirez, all he did is run. That is SIX losses.
If he would have fought Quartey he would have lost but he ducked him. He also never fougth Meldrick Taylor, ducked a prime Camacho, ducked Rosario, ducked James Page and Jose Luis Lopez at welter!
@ElRancholo2 show me any kind of legitimate source that whittaker "ducked" any of those fighters, you're just coming across as yet another ass hurt mexican throwing a bitch fit when one of your own gets thrashed in the ring. boxing is also a business pal, and like any respectable business you have to make decisions that would benefit you in the long run. for starters, how the fuck did he duck meldrick taylor?? when taylor fought chavez in 1990 pernell was still a lightweight
@ElRancholo2 not only was he two weight classes smaller then taylor, taylor was never the same after his fights with chavez and was getting starched repeatedly. and the funny thing is just about all the guys you named whittaker wasn't even a welterweight during their best years. and why exactly would he take those fights? why fight contenders when he could make MORE money fighting better and bigger named fighters?? buddy, just log off. making quick trips to boxrec doesn't mean you know boxing
Are mexicans still that butthurt over Whitaker beating chavez? Maybe if mexican fighters (no all of them) actually stopped with that machismo bullshit and studied styles they wouldnt be so clueless when they run into an elusive fighter. You can thank Willie Pep for showing the world how to beat a pressure fighter.
@667105 HA HA HA HA... Es que son Brutos. lol Yo no soy ni un poco "Rasista." Es mas, muchos de mis amigos son de Mexico. Pero la realidad es que muchos Mexicanos (No Todos) pero muchos no saben loke es Boxeo. Cualquier Pendejo puede tirar puños a lo loko, pero eso no es el Boxeo. Uno que realmente sabes Boxear sabes que Boxeo es mucho mas que eso. No solo "Partise la Madre" pero tambien tener Movimiento y Defensa. Y muchos Mexicanos no Entienden eso, por eso es que Whitaker le Gano a Chavez.
i love to hear ppl talking trash about his style..he is a pussy cuz he doesnt get hit and can win a fight backing up?.. i love the mexican style of boxing but clearly pernell had somthing going... he beat jcc and jose luis ramirez..one of the true greats....and im mexican my hat's off to this great champ
@rdglionheart Only Idiots who don't know about Boxing would say some dumb shit like that. lol That having movement and defense in ur game makes u a "Pussy" or "Gay." lol smh Please. They say the same thing about Floyd Mayweather. But the truth is that any idiot can throw punches. But thats not all that Boxing is about. Boxing is about hitting AND NOT getting hit! Its the SWEET SCIENCE!! And those that really know about Boxing, we appreciate the Artists/Masters. IE- Whitaker, Mayweather, ETC.
he just show off that he can dodge all the opponent punch in the latest round, thats all. try make a good impression, becos he already win every round.
Ramirez a bad hombre,when he was 22 years old he gave a prime 28 year old legend Alexis Arguello nightmares and he was the first boxer to drop Alexis on his behind.
Whitakers trainer Duva said in a Ring magazine interview that they avoided fighting Chavez in the late 80's because they felt that Chavez was too good back then for Sweet Pea.Dont get mad at me now,that is what Lou Duva said,they dodged Chavez and then after he slowed then they decided to fight JC chavez.
My hat off to these two excellent gladiators! They are giving their lives for our entertainment. Granted, they will get paid better wages than most of us, but at what price to your health? Great fight, very technical and entertaining!
@MrAnahuac1973 Technical on the part of Pernell, you mean. Jose Luis Ramirez was an inferior technical fighter ... that gap in ability between the two was staggering. Without a doubt, the most viruoso display of Pernell's skill set that I've ever seen. This, and his fight against Julio Cesar Chavez. I can watch this man's wizardry all day long. I grew up watching that cat, and still have most of his fights on VHS. The master, plain and simple. And the opponent list he had ... 2nd to none!
Why is it that Mexicans think that moving out of the way to avoid a punch means that you're running. What idiot would stand there and let themselves get hit? Defense is a part of boxing just like offense. Pernell Whitaker was avoiding punches and landing punches. Its called boxing. If you want to stand there and get hit you wont be fighting very long.
@philw82 that's because Mexicans only have one speed and that is moving forward. Throughout history there has not been many good mexican boxers... only De la hoya comes to mind. Every other Mexican comes forward so when they see a good boxer moving laterally it pisses them off.
@DeathMetalforever look you nigger chavez beat jose luis ramirez and whitaker couldn't, and i don't think there has ever been a boxer with a better record than chavez he won 100 fights before loosing any
@Gideon359 your reply just tells me how much you know about boxing. Whic is what I suspected. ZERO! NADA! Whitaker beat Ramirez easily and Chavez won 100 fights and about 80 of them were against bums. I'm not a nigger and you are a wetback.
@DeathMetalforever well if your not a nigger you should shut the hell up cause boxing is not for whites. The best boxers are blacks and mexicans but whites the only good boxer they had was butterbean and he sucked badly.
@DeathMetalforever Chavez has more victories of title holders than any boxer in history. YOU are the one who doesn't know shit. Chavez also has more wins in title fights than any fighter in history. Just another whiteboy laching on to the nutsacks of niggaz and trying to claim black fighters as his own!
@ElRancholo2 Chavez had like 50 victories before he was even famous, just like every mexican fighter that doesn't have amateur experience. Look at his son. Anyways, I'm not white, not black.... retard! let's be realistic, Whitaker beat that ass!!!!
@ElRancholo2 and whom exactly did he beat afterwards? the only person he beat was meldrick taylor, other then that he was getting sparked out and outclassed eveytime he fought someone who could actually box and not rely on solely their handspeed. boxing isnt for you my friend, just go back to your daily chavez fapping sessions and leave the real fans alone.
Pernell didn't run at all in this fight, he stayed in the pocket at times and made Ramirez look like a damn fool. He moved around and boxed, and was on the inside at times.
@SiThompson1 You gotta be kidding me? Although I do love Pernell Whitaker, Duran will and will always be the best Lightweight that ever lived. Then comes Carlos Ortiz, then Pernell Whitaker. Lol at putting Mosley in though.. you must be kidding.
@SiThompson1 Pernell would not beat Duran in Duran's time. You think Pernell could survive a 15 round fight against Duran? Nah.. and Mosley was a great lightweight, but not better than Carlos Ortiz.
@SiThompson1 I don't know about that. Although I am probably Pernell's biggest fan, he would've lost to Roberto Duran; the greatest Latin fighter of all time. Duran could do it all: his defense was superb, he could take a punch, he was a great puncher, and he'd fight anybody. He was everything Chavez never was, AND just as tough. He'd have ground Whitaker down and won a hard-fought decision.
I think a lot of you guys are confusing good defense with "running." Moving out the way of a punch and then coming back landing your own punches without getting hit is smart boxing. He doesn't even move fast when he's walking away. These guys just couldn't hit him when he was in his prime.
100% agree. Running is throwing one punch and rounding the ring 9x like Andre Dirrell. Sweet Pea is frustrating with his crazy foot and body movement.
Defensive boxing is kinda of a paradox to watch for newer fans, because most fans come want to watch contact and blood and guts. Kinda like me not liking UFC because of the over grappling. UFC hard core guys can watch it and get into it, but its not for me.
Good defense is hugging and holding? I call that being a sissy and not giving the fans their money´s worth. His final record was not that impressive. I remember the final seconds vs De la hoya, he was literally running like a scared rabbit.
If hugging and holding is "being a sissy" then everyone in the MMA is gay. But as far as the relevance to this topic is concerned, I rarely saw Whitaker hold in his career.
whitaker had great technique, defensive skills, atleticism, good chin but he was a cheater, a coward, hugging all the time, running all the time, he always fought like an amateur, scoring a point and run, and didn´t have much power.
Read again, I meant like an amateur meaning an olympic, non-pro boxer, who tries to just score some points by touching you and then run away so the contender is not able to score. Not with the technique of an amateur, duh.
I read it again, i see what you mean. His skill level isnt that of an amateur obviously but the act of point and run is. well thats boxing. he wasnt a power puncher so what was he supposed to do? square up and fight? no, he was a slick, elusive, southpaw, boxer. he's doing exaclty what he's supposed to do by backpeddeling and no one should blame him for it.
yes, slick, elusive,southpaw, that´s fine if he didn´t do dirty tricks, that´s not being a sport or macho. Like hugging after punching, huging and holding after the slightest punch, pushing, etc. That´s what I mean. Hagler didn´t do that, he was a man. Did you watch the olympics? boring fights, after a boxer knew he was ahead it was all run, run, run.
I don´t balme him for backpedaling, I blame him for being a cheater, not a sport. Hugging, pushing, and running when you don´t need to, is not fair, it makes boxing boring, no wonder many East europeans are becoming famous, they don´t do that. 10 years ago, you hardly see competitive white men.
Pea love to box and is so comfortable that he seem to dont want to ko his oponents, he just want to have fun land punches and dodge everyting that comes to him... very cool to watch
@southpawjab If Chavez hadn't have chased Pernell Whitaker around the ring, there would have been NO fight..lol.. Did he even come close to hurting Chavez? Looked like they were playing tag and Chavez was it. All Pernell does is hit, hug, and run around the ring like a pussy.
I watch enough boxing, trust me, you should understand cultures and watch or better yet box a little yourself. Watch the Whitaker-Paez fight, Paez was not one of the best and he beat Pernell, just scoring points like a girl is not fighting.
Did Marvin Hagler run? No! Did Tommy Hearns? No! Did Evander Holyfield? NO! Did Mike McCallum, Azumah Nelson, or Nigel Benn run? No!!! Not all african american "run" bud. Some may use effective footwork to move around the ring, but that's not neccessarily running. Please stop the stereotyping and the generalizaions bud
Those you mention didn´t run but that´s a small percentage if you count all the boxers. For mexicans is the other way around even if being hit, they rarely hug even if that means getting a beat.
Good point, there are a lot of black fighters that do NOT run. Like Joe Frazier, he was awesome, and the guys you mention. Whitaker was a running bitch though.
@budfr whitaker didnt run he hit and didnt get hit and he never engaged in brawls he would come in a throw some flurrys at you but only if he believe you hurt .
i know every punch in that fight, because i dont like sugar ray leonard. i respect him for what hes done in boxin, but i just dont like him. and if you read i said if he came in proper shape he could do somethin, not in that shitty dodgey shape he was in their second, leonard knew he couldnt beat him in hes prime, thats why he came up with a plan b :)
Whitaker's never given anyone a "beating." He wins all his fights be boring decisions. He runs during the last minute and waits for the judges to give him the win. The best fighters he has knocked out are Jake Rodriguez and Juan Nazario, both bums. Ramirez said that Whitaker hits less hard than all the featherweights.
@ElRancholo2 what bout sanchez and that other fool he beat up in the ropes .? yall need to give whitaker all the credit he deserves there will never be another boxer like him and nobody will be better and whitaker dont run he dodges whatever you throw at him and he loves doing it . yall just hate the fact that he will beat any lightweight or welterweight you throw at him and be unserious doing it .
you gotta remember one thing about old timers, they all think the old school fighers would win, theyd pick dempsey over foreman, and that is just moronic.. at lightweight pep could definately pull it off, but duran has the punchers chance, when he was a lightweight he could really bomb, hes second fight with dejesus was insane. but i do not know enough about pep to say duran would win, just sayin i think duran has a good chance, with an iron jaw and relentless attack :)
I have seen heaps of willie pep's fights and though he was a brilliant, mercurial, and flashy boxer there is no way known to man he would have lived with roberto duran, no way. Duran literally would have killed willie pep.
some arguements on here are foolish. thing with duran (which leonard exposed) was he puts on alot of weight after fights then trys to drop it all, im suprized he did as well as he did doing that, from 135 he ballooned up to 220s then dropped it, if duran came in proper shape (not just the weight) he might be able to do somethin, but sweet pea, wow, he is amazing :)
Definition of expose: "to reveal or unmask (a crime, fraud, impostor, etc.): to expose a swindler."
Leonard would have "exposed" Duran if she would have shown the world that Duran was a fraud or was not as good as people thought he was (ie. Barrera exposing Hamed, Tyson expsoing McNeely).
But of course, this isn't the case, because Duran is an all-time great and BEAT Leonard in their most memorable fight. Therefore, your use of expose is totally wrong.
what i ment was exposing a weakness, not the fighter. in my first comment i was stating that duran puts on greats amount of weight and drops it all off, you being the first man to even use the damn word, regardless, leonard "exposed a weakness" used it, and got the win, if you dont agree with the weakness being exposed, what happened in the second fight?
Hey Man. I aGree wiTH U On THe LEONARD commenT. and jusT 4 THe record, LEONARD FouGHT DURAN TOE 2 TOE In THe 1sT FiGHT On purpose jusT 2 sHow Him THaT DURAN couLdn'T KnocK Him ouT. IF LEONARD FouGHT LiKe His normaL seLF In THe 1sT FiGHT, He wouLd Have won THe same way He did In THe 2nd FiGHT. some peopLe On Here and WHo waTcH Boxing R Bogus and don'T LiKe 2 give crediT WHere crediT Is DUE. and as 4 THose IDIOTs WHo caLLed "SWEET PEA" a runner. HE NEVER LOST IN HIS PRIME AGAINST THE BEST!!!!
Well I shouldn't say it like that, as Benitez style-wise is capable of giving Whitaker a very tough fight, but you said it like Benitez was a better fighter.
willie pep was incredible so what if sandy saddler could hit him sandy was one of the greatest boxer/puncher at his weight divison and a 100 percent pep beat him by putting a masterfull boxing display. U seriously underestimate sandy saddler if u think that pep isn't good at defense because he got hit by him saddler had punches like laser beams
I don't think so at all, both shut him out, both put clinics on him, but the fact remains that an amateur Whitaker schooled a prime pro Camacho in the gym, and Camacho was scared to man up.
One thing though Mowglie...I have about 4-5 videos of Pep...and One video of Pep after the Chavez/Whitaker fight, of them being interviewed together and Whitaker acknowledging his style is a copycat from Pep...who IMO DID IT BETTER!! He won rounds NOT throwing a single punch..Duran wouldnt touch Pep/Whitaker!!
He undoubtedly said that to show good words for Pep if Pep was right therte with him, that's pretty tarsnparent. Watch them fight, they really didn't fight much a like other than the fact that they were both great defensive masters and very slick. Totally different offense and everything. And I'm sure you're one of the only ones who thinks Willie Pep could beat Duran at LW. That is insane.
Mowligie your a 19 year old KID!!! I think I have alot more people agreeing with me than you think...go to eastside boxing where I write...Willie Pep had 1 fighter that had his number like so many greats have had....Forrest for Mosley...Sadler for Pep...Norton for Ali...etc and so on....you base alot of your opinions young man, of of 1 fight!!
I am on Eastside boxing dude, I post as Sweet Pea on the site, who are you? Nobody on that forum other than ytou will say that Pep beats Duran. Start a poll on there soon, and tell me about it when you do. Again, I am Sweet Pea on there.
I had a poll on eastside yesterday just for the hell of it...took the first 50 responses, on a perspective outcome of that fight and had 43 out of 50 taking pep easy!! These are 60 year old writers and savants my man...its nice to see our youth though, taking up interest in boxing!!
and you contradict yourself alot kiddo...Sweet offensively was on par with Pep....Duran as you said so subtley got frustrated...what do you think Pep would do as well as whitaker...see you just never really saw pep at his prime I am sure after seeing some of your posts! I am getting my friends from eastside to see the things you been saying so they can laugh!!
I notice you still haven't made that poll,and that you were lying about ever doing that on Eastsideboxing, as hardly anyone there would pick Pep over Duran. Why not make it already? Or did you recognize my name and get cold feet?
oohhh I had a weight class off, you must be god. Duran quit bottom line...I dont know why you sweat your hero, to the point that you become irrational...Tommy no heart Hearns killed your boy..and I mean KILLED him. Hagler ate him up for 12 rounds, i remember what the legend eddie futch said about Duran after watching him beat davey moore, the best ONE DIMENSIONAL fighter there was. Eddie said it, its GOLD son.
Look Duran was a nice little fighter, but when he went against the best of his era he came up short, THATS THE BOTTOM LINE. Hagler, leonard, hearns all beat him, and thats the most important thing. Sweet would have frustrated Duran more than Leonard
And I can tell you reaching for some made up facts...1)Tony Canzoneri wasnt even a top 20 fighter in my opinion....or Ring magazine for that fact...so why dont you pick out another "old" fighter to hype a duran victory. 2) Arcel or you are lying because Benny Leonard started fighting when Arcel was like 9 years old so somebodys lying.
ray arcel was born in 1899 and benny leonard 1896, i go with arcel he saw them all. and hagler duran was in front on the score cards after 12 rounds not bad for a lightweight, in todays 12 rounders he would have won.
ray arcel who trained duran at his peak and was around all the greats benny leonard, tony canzoneri, barney ross etc. said roberto duran would have beat the lot in his prime.
Duran would have been to slow to fuck with this...Pernell had one punch he struggled with avoiding...jab...and the way Duran looped his jab instead of keeping it straight and snapping it off, Pea would have seen it all day!! Just like Oscar, Duran struggled with Boxers big time, especially when he moved up from his comfort zone of 135.
Look Duran was a ATG..lol but the GOAT..far from...Armstrong...Robinson.....Ali....Louis...Pep...etc so on...all better than Duran...I would put hands of stone in top 15 but thats about it....and hey he got LUCKY with the decision against Leonard in first fight...Second fight showed what each fighter truly was.....and ANY GOAT...cant have a "no mas" on his record!!!
yes the greatest, i don't think armstrong or pep would have beat iran barkley. duran was lightweight, welter, light-middleweight and middleweight world champ and don,t forget he bypassed the light- welter division. and the no-mas fight leonard fought like a girl.
Dude what a bad counter arguement viglen......You OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about the sport...LMAO at the moron....Henry Armstrong had the lightweight,welterweight,Middyweight titles ALL at once beating the greats to hold them, willie pep would make duran look like shit, just like sweet would. Look Chavez WAS better than Duran, and look at what sweet did to him...made a living legend look like an amateur. BTW Duran QUIT....doesnt matter how Leonard fought...HE FUCKIN QUIT...only PUSSIES QUIT
hey dummy armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titles at the same time. he never held the middleweight title, he fought ceferino garcia to a draw in 1940. and the likes of barney ross and lou ambers who he beat to win the lightweight and welterweight titles couldn't lace durans boots. and chavez duran would have had him for breakfast chavez lol.
You're saying someone else doesn't know about the sport yet you incorrectly state Armstrong's credentials. He held the Feathereight, Lightweight, and Welterweigh titles at once, not the Lightweight, Welterweight, and Middleweight.
And you are terrible wrong about Duran. I think Pea may have beaten him, but no way Featherweight Pep does, nor does Chavez. Duran was better in every area than Chavez and had more dimensions to his game.
My man I have been watching boxing since I was 6 years old....There is a reason dont you think that willie the wisp pep is unilaterally top 5-10 in every boxing savant, journalist, websites all time fighters!!! Also the only reason I even was in a debate with that moron, is because he has Duran BEATING EVERYONE!!! Geez look before you type my man.....and dont put words in my mouth saying i hate on duran...he was 1 of my fav fighters growing up....just never liked a quitter!!!
Also mowglie whatever....Pep fought most of his career at featherweight yes, but also a good chunk at lightweight...go look at the weights he used to fight at....the average was 135 lbs...so yes a LIGHTWEIGHT Pep beats Duran...geez Sweet learned his style from Pep, its in his autobiography...so you got Sweet winning but not the originator of sweets style...I think YOU need to stop acting like YOU know all!!!!
LOL, Whitaker schooled Hector Camacho in his own gyn, and this was a young Pea against a prime Camacho. Macho was great in his prime, but he was no Pea.
The weight was up to 135 due to opponents failing to make weight, but he was universally a Featherweights, and nobody he faced at 135 was as good as Duran. Saddler was great at FEATHERWEIGHT, but even at that weight wasn't as good as Duran at Lightweight. Duran was too big, too strong, and too much for Pep at 135 if Saddler was too much at 126.
And yes I have Pea winning over Duran because he was a bigger, and in my opinion more well rounded version of Pep. Pep was too small for Duran period, though his style may have been a problem. He had the style, nopt the substance, I feel Pea had both.
Well at least mowglie and southpaw have some boxing knowledge where as viglen just has man love going on for duran....It takes balls viglen to think you can just brush aside Duran quitting...Bert Sugar even was quoted when the espn top 50 came out as saying that quit moved him dpwn his ATG list!!
benitez would have beaten whitaker no problem, and duran was the greatest lightweight ever. and to move up to middleweight and beat barkley i think makes duran even greater, and he was 38 at the time.
Your also forgetting Kirkland Laing giving Duran a boxing lesson and Laing was an average fighter at best go and watch that fight and then comeback on here and tell me he would beat Whitaker.
Whitaker was boring and got his butt kicked by Ramirez. He beat Chavez in a track meet all right, but not in the fight. Remember, this isn't to see who is the fastest runner, it's to see who is the better fighter. Whitaker=better runner. Chavez=better fighter.
Got his butt kicked by Ramirez? LMFAO!! Did you watch the tape you stupid fool? He completely clowned and outclassed him, and he whooped him the first fight too, it was one of THE biggest robberies in boxing history. And if you actually watched the Chavez fight, you'll know Whitkaer did no running at all, he simply outboxed and outfought and outclassed Chavez.
Just because you flip burgers for a living doesn't make everyone else a fool. Ramirez and Whitaker fought in France, a neutral country so there wasn't any bias. Just because SweetBoring Pea lost doesn't mean you have to hate everyone else. "he simply outboxed and outfought and outclassed Chavez." Buahahaha!! I'm not even going to dignify that remark. I'll just take it that you like guys will wiggle their ass and run around the ring throwing pitter patter shots!!!
You obviously haven't seen the Chavez/Whitaker fight or are embarassed of what happend to Chavez, but Whitaker did not run at all. The fight against Ramirez is widely thought of as arguably THE biggest robbery in the history of boxing. He pretty much shut him out, dominated the fight, almost as bad as the second fight(only difference weas he backed up too much in the first one), and he got blatantly robbed. It was a masterclass, and he got robbed. Actually watch the fight.
No, Whitaker didn't run (Ha!). I guess that is why he was backpedaling throughout the whole fight. Whenever Chavez got close to him he would grab him and hug him. I don't blame him. After what Chavez did to Meldrick Taylor I would run and hug to. "The fight against Ramirez is widely thought of as arguably THE biggest robbery in the history of boxing." Says who? You and a few others? Maybe in your opinion, but not in mine.
Oh and not in the opinion of the judges who scored the fight for Ramirez. I'm glad those judges rewarded Ramirez for coming to fight, not make it a track meet or see who wiggles their hips more. Bottom line, Whitaker lost.
"Profesinal boxing" hahahahahahahah at 6:45 AND 8:02 THAT'S PROFESIONAL BOXING at its best! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! That's being a clown...and clowns belong at the circus...Have you noticed that defensive boxing is -almost exclusively- used by BLACK boxers?
Opusdei1951 1 month ago
Chavez was an excellent defensive boxer; but he wasn't running all over the place trying not to get hit. Some people see defensive boxing as something desirable; and it is; but only as the spice of the meal; not as the meal itself. I want defensive boxing NOT TO LOOK LIKE defensive boxing. When defensive boxing is obvious; then it becomes BOOORRIINNNGGGGG...I don't pay to see boring guys running all over the ring; its time to draw the 8 feet circle in the middle of the ring.
Opusdei1951 1 month ago
Just draw an 8 feet -in diameter- circle in the center of the ring; take a point from a boxer everytime he gets out of that circle; now, that should make boxing a more interesting sport! No more "Stinging like a bee, and flying like a butterfly" bunch of crap! One day that rule is going to be adoped and things will be a lot better; so you want to avoid being hit?; then pay for it! Are we paying millions of Dollars, just to see punks avoiding getting hit? Hell no! I want them to die 4 the money!
Opusdei1951 1 month ago
I know a lot about boxing; you don't know anything about boxing.....mmmmm let me see...Yes, plain human stupidity. So you know a lot; but I don't know anything...You are confused: Being a T.V. watcher of anything doesn't make you better than any other T.V. watcher; when you fight your 100th bout, then you can say you know something about boxing. I want to get my money's worth; I want mother fuckers of any color or race to bleed to death.
Opusdei1951 1 month ago
No fighters in their prime could make you look bad like Pernell Whitaker, James Toney, and Roy Jones Jr. Nobody.
daTruChosen 2 months ago
whitaker should only have one loss on his record
shoulderollHD 2 months ago
@shoulderollHD Whitaker got a TWO gift decisions against Wilfredo Rivera, gift decision against Buddy McGirft, lost his lost fight against Bojorquez, got and stomped by Felix Trinidad. He ran too much against De la Hoya and also ran in his first fight against Ramirez. He avoided so many fighters its not even funny. I can name them if you want.
ElRancholo2 1 month ago
@ElRancholo2 your'e just an fuckface who only cares about Chavez.
face it, charvez got outclassed by whitaker.
whitaker in reality had one loss and that was by one man felix trinidad.
ps:whitaker was an old man then.
shoulderollHD 1 month ago
@shoulderollHD Whitaker lost to Bojorquez, sorry buddy. He also lost to Trinidad, needed two gift decisions against Rivera, a gift decision against Buddy McGirt (who fought with an injured arm) and did deserve his losses against De la Hoya and Ramirez, all he did is run. That is SIX losses.
If he would have fought Quartey he would have lost but he ducked him. He also never fougth Meldrick Taylor, ducked a prime Camacho, ducked Rosario, ducked James Page and Jose Luis Lopez at welter!
ElRancholo2 1 month ago
@ElRancholo2 show me any kind of legitimate source that whittaker "ducked" any of those fighters, you're just coming across as yet another ass hurt mexican throwing a bitch fit when one of your own gets thrashed in the ring. boxing is also a business pal, and like any respectable business you have to make decisions that would benefit you in the long run. for starters, how the fuck did he duck meldrick taylor?? when taylor fought chavez in 1990 pernell was still a lightweight
vdentjr 1 month ago
@ElRancholo2 not only was he two weight classes smaller then taylor, taylor was never the same after his fights with chavez and was getting starched repeatedly. and the funny thing is just about all the guys you named whittaker wasn't even a welterweight during their best years. and why exactly would he take those fights? why fight contenders when he could make MORE money fighting better and bigger named fighters?? buddy, just log off. making quick trips to boxrec doesn't mean you know boxing
vdentjr 1 month ago
Are mexicans still that butthurt over Whitaker beating chavez? Maybe if mexican fighters (no all of them) actually stopped with that machismo bullshit and studied styles they wouldnt be so clueless when they run into an elusive fighter. You can thank Willie Pep for showing the world how to beat a pressure fighter.
bigsexy1234567 2 months ago
@bigsexy1234567 I Agree 100%.
Mr9mm4u 2 months ago
Cuando un mexicano se sube al ring se sube a partiese la madre y no andar corriendo como joto de lado a lado.
667105 4 months ago
@667105 HA HA HA HA... Es que son Brutos. lol Yo no soy ni un poco "Rasista." Es mas, muchos de mis amigos son de Mexico. Pero la realidad es que muchos Mexicanos (No Todos) pero muchos no saben loke es Boxeo. Cualquier Pendejo puede tirar puños a lo loko, pero eso no es el Boxeo. Uno que realmente sabes Boxear sabes que Boxeo es mucho mas que eso. No solo "Partise la Madre" pero tambien tener Movimiento y Defensa. Y muchos Mexicanos no Entienden eso, por eso es que Whitaker le Gano a Chavez.
Mr9mm4u 2 months ago
i love to hear ppl talking trash about his style..he is a pussy cuz he doesnt get hit and can win a fight backing up?.. i love the mexican style of boxing but clearly pernell had somthing going... he beat jcc and jose luis ramirez..one of the true greats....and im mexican my hat's off to this great champ
rdglionheart 4 months ago
@rdglionheart Only Idiots who don't know about Boxing would say some dumb shit like that. lol That having movement and defense in ur game makes u a "Pussy" or "Gay." lol smh Please. They say the same thing about Floyd Mayweather. But the truth is that any idiot can throw punches. But thats not all that Boxing is about. Boxing is about hitting AND NOT getting hit! Its the SWEET SCIENCE!! And those that really know about Boxing, we appreciate the Artists/Masters. IE- Whitaker, Mayweather, ETC.
Mr9mm4u 2 months ago
Absolute clinic. Behind Sugar Ray, Sweet Pea is my favourite boxer of all time, the best pure boxer to ever live.
HomeOfBritishBoxing 5 months ago
@mufc881 Damn right bro.
HomeOfBritishBoxing 5 months ago
Took him to school
ehmazin 5 months ago
Highway robbery.
julius5551 6 months ago
Pernell Whitacker throws more Lowblows than any other fighter in History...
1BBNM 6 months ago
he just show off that he can dodge all the opponent punch in the latest round, thats all. try make a good impression, becos he already win every round.
cindutgame 7 months ago
Man. Pernell is a boxing book! Insane, everything he does is based on solid techniK!
favelas1981 7 months ago
Damn pernell was just punishing that guy
tharealdeal19 7 months ago
Ramirez a bad hombre,when he was 22 years old he gave a prime 28 year old legend Alexis Arguello nightmares and he was the first boxer to drop Alexis on his behind.
4272mana 8 months ago
Whitakers trainer Duva said in a Ring magazine interview that they avoided fighting Chavez in the late 80's because they felt that Chavez was too good back then for Sweet Pea.Dont get mad at me now,that is what Lou Duva said,they dodged Chavez and then after he slowed then they decided to fight JC chavez.
4272mana 8 months ago
My hat off to these two excellent gladiators! They are giving their lives for our entertainment. Granted, they will get paid better wages than most of us, but at what price to your health? Great fight, very technical and entertaining!
MrAnahuac1973 11 months ago
@MrAnahuac1973 Technical on the part of Pernell, you mean. Jose Luis Ramirez was an inferior technical fighter ... that gap in ability between the two was staggering. Without a doubt, the most viruoso display of Pernell's skill set that I've ever seen. This, and his fight against Julio Cesar Chavez. I can watch this man's wizardry all day long. I grew up watching that cat, and still have most of his fights on VHS. The master, plain and simple. And the opponent list he had ... 2nd to none!
daTruChosen 10 months ago
Why is it that Mexicans think that moving out of the way to avoid a punch means that you're running. What idiot would stand there and let themselves get hit? Defense is a part of boxing just like offense. Pernell Whitaker was avoiding punches and landing punches. Its called boxing. If you want to stand there and get hit you wont be fighting very long.
philw82 11 months ago
@philw82 perenell said it himself that he likes entertaining the crowd with his slips and ducks.
dennisrayso 10 months ago
@philw82 that's because Mexicans only have one speed and that is moving forward. Throughout history there has not been many good mexican boxers... only De la hoya comes to mind. Every other Mexican comes forward so when they see a good boxer moving laterally it pisses them off.
DeathMetalforever 8 months ago
@DeathMetalforever so De La Hoya comes to mind while Sal Sanchez doesn't?
marinlille 8 months ago
@DeathMetalforever look you nigger chavez beat jose luis ramirez and whitaker couldn't, and i don't think there has ever been a boxer with a better record than chavez he won 100 fights before loosing any
Gideon359 8 months ago
@Gideon359 your reply just tells me how much you know about boxing. Whic is what I suspected. ZERO! NADA! Whitaker beat Ramirez easily and Chavez won 100 fights and about 80 of them were against bums. I'm not a nigger and you are a wetback.
DeathMetalforever 8 months ago
@DeathMetalforever well if your not a nigger you should shut the hell up cause boxing is not for whites. The best boxers are blacks and mexicans but whites the only good boxer they had was butterbean and he sucked badly.
Gideon359 8 months ago
@Gideon359 klitschko bros are white
dennisrayso 7 months ago
@DeathMetalforever Chavez has more victories of title holders than any boxer in history. YOU are the one who doesn't know shit. Chavez also has more wins in title fights than any fighter in history. Just another whiteboy laching on to the nutsacks of niggaz and trying to claim black fighters as his own!
ElRancholo2 1 month ago
@ElRancholo2 Chavez had like 50 victories before he was even famous, just like every mexican fighter that doesn't have amateur experience. Look at his son. Anyways, I'm not white, not black.... retard! let's be realistic, Whitaker beat that ass!!!!
DeathMetalforever 1 month ago
@DeathMetalforever Chavez still won his next 40 fights or so AFTER becoming champion. Look it up.
ElRancholo2 1 month ago
@ElRancholo2 and whom exactly did he beat afterwards? the only person he beat was meldrick taylor, other then that he was getting sparked out and outclassed eveytime he fought someone who could actually box and not rely on solely their handspeed. boxing isnt for you my friend, just go back to your daily chavez fapping sessions and leave the real fans alone.
vdentjr 1 month ago
@Gideon359 hey youre 25, stop being a little kid and grow up punkass
dennisrayso 7 months ago
LOL @ the dumb Mexicans commenting on this vid. What a bunch of lawn mowers.
Mowglieboy69 1 year ago
pernell did what he does beat a fighter using there own style against them and he was robbed again.......
bucks25slugga 1 year ago
whitker can't be touch do see how he toys with him and than hits whenever he feels like it.
themayorofchicago 1 year ago
Exactly, running is what Dirrell did against Froch
ehmazin 1 year ago
Ramirez defeated in their first fight the champion of running and hugging, pernell LOL.
budfr 1 year ago
shit whos ramirez fighting? Tyrone Biggums
elchololo 1 year ago
Pernell didn't run at all in this fight, he stayed in the pocket at times and made Ramirez look like a damn fool. He moved around and boxed, and was on the inside at times.
86pimp3 2 years ago
look up morrad hakkar vs hopkins. thats running. What whitaker does is boxing.
Venturi01 2 years ago
morrad hakkar vs hopkins is not running thats survival mode.
ray leanrd vs hagler is running.
makpak 1 year ago
for all the ppl saying pernell is a runner and sissy. would u rather be whitaker or ramirez in this fight?
oosemekh 2 years ago
Well said oosemekh, Pernell is a master fighter simple as that. He is what boxing is about, hitting and not getting hit.
OscarDanDan76 2 years ago
RUN PERNELL RUN!!!!!!
LEGIONARIO1970 2 years ago
your mouth runs a lot dude
lhkjk 2 years ago
from this fight u can leran so much about counterpunching and readin the game movement combination punvhing in this fight sweet pea shows it all
wikedywikedywak 2 years ago
Pernell Whitaker, best boxer in the light weight division PERIOD
aLpfredoc21033 2 years ago
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Sweet P is the greatest lightweight of all time. Sugar Shane is the 2nd. Both of these men beat Duran at 135 pounds.
TGUNZ562 2 years ago
I agree TGUNZZ562
Pernell Whittaker was and will always be the best Lightweight that ever lived!
Duran then Mosely come in at third and fourth!
SiThompson1 2 years ago
@SiThompson1 You gotta be kidding me? Although I do love Pernell Whitaker, Duran will and will always be the best Lightweight that ever lived. Then comes Carlos Ortiz, then Pernell Whitaker. Lol at putting Mosley in though.. you must be kidding.
GrandPappyJeffz 1 year ago
@GrandPappyJeffz
Whitaker's style would of been a nightmare for Duran. Also Mosley was a great lightweight too
SiThompson1 1 year ago
@SiThompson1 Pernell would not beat Duran in Duran's time. You think Pernell could survive a 15 round fight against Duran? Nah.. and Mosley was a great lightweight, but not better than Carlos Ortiz.
GrandPappyJeffz 1 year ago
@SiThompson1 I don't know about that. Although I am probably Pernell's biggest fan, he would've lost to Roberto Duran; the greatest Latin fighter of all time. Duran could do it all: his defense was superb, he could take a punch, he was a great puncher, and he'd fight anybody. He was everything Chavez never was, AND just as tough. He'd have ground Whitaker down and won a hard-fought decision.
daTruChosen 10 months ago
who won the 1 fight between these 2
officeprime 2 years ago
whittaker runs alot,
officeprime 2 years ago
I think a lot of you guys are confusing good defense with "running." Moving out the way of a punch and then coming back landing your own punches without getting hit is smart boxing. He doesn't even move fast when he's walking away. These guys just couldn't hit him when he was in his prime.
denzelsnipes69 2 years ago 16
100% agree. Running is throwing one punch and rounding the ring 9x like Andre Dirrell. Sweet Pea is frustrating with his crazy foot and body movement.
Defensive boxing is kinda of a paradox to watch for newer fans, because most fans come want to watch contact and blood and guts. Kinda like me not liking UFC because of the over grappling. UFC hard core guys can watch it and get into it, but its not for me.
KTF0 2 years ago
Good defense is hugging and holding? I call that being a sissy and not giving the fans their money´s worth. His final record was not that impressive. I remember the final seconds vs De la hoya, he was literally running like a scared rabbit.
budfr 2 years ago
If hugging and holding is "being a sissy" then everyone in the MMA is gay. But as far as the relevance to this topic is concerned, I rarely saw Whitaker hold in his career.
denzelsnipes69 2 years ago 4
@denzelsnipes69 I Agree. Especially about the "MMA" Part. lol
Mr9mm4u 2 months ago
@denzelsnipes69 then you've never seen him fight. Whitaker even had to resort to holding in the last rounds of his fight against Jorge Paez.
ElRancholo2 1 month ago
@denzelsnipes69 Don't Sweat it Dude. Those are just Idiots that don't Know Shit about Boxing.
Mr9mm4u 2 months ago
Pernell is one of the greatest boxer of all time. Skill wise there is none better. He clowned on Oscar JCC and this fool.
Guled89 2 years ago
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Whitaker such a chicken ! always running !
tepiacapower 2 years ago
Nice fights! Thanks for posting.
sweetfights 2 years ago
Thats what you call a boxing clinic. Best lightweight of all time IMO. I have it 1) sweet P 2) Henry Armstrong 3) Duran.
pullupboy 2 years ago
whitaker had great technique, defensive skills, atleticism, good chin but he was a cheater, a coward, hugging all the time, running all the time, he always fought like an amateur, scoring a point and run, and didn´t have much power.
budfr 3 years ago
Pernell whitaker fought like an amatuer? haha.
FAIL.
rccwilliams 3 years ago
Read again, I meant like an amateur meaning an olympic, non-pro boxer, who tries to just score some points by touching you and then run away so the contender is not able to score. Not with the technique of an amateur, duh.
budfr 3 years ago
I read it again, i see what you mean. His skill level isnt that of an amateur obviously but the act of point and run is. well thats boxing. he wasnt a power puncher so what was he supposed to do? square up and fight? no, he was a slick, elusive, southpaw, boxer. he's doing exaclty what he's supposed to do by backpeddeling and no one should blame him for it.
rccwilliams 3 years ago
yes, slick, elusive,southpaw, that´s fine if he didn´t do dirty tricks, that´s not being a sport or macho. Like hugging after punching, huging and holding after the slightest punch, pushing, etc. That´s what I mean. Hagler didn´t do that, he was a man. Did you watch the olympics? boring fights, after a boxer knew he was ahead it was all run, run, run.
budfr 3 years ago
I don´t balme him for backpedaling, I blame him for being a cheater, not a sport. Hugging, pushing, and running when you don´t need to, is not fair, it makes boxing boring, no wonder many East europeans are becoming famous, they don´t do that. 10 years ago, you hardly see competitive white men.
budfr 2 years ago
im not even going to humor you anymore. you're clearly an idiot.
rccwilliams 2 years ago
Pea love to box and is so comfortable that he seem to dont want to ko his oponents, he just want to have fun land punches and dodge everyting that comes to him... very cool to watch
frankfsd 3 years ago 3
I think Ramirez set a record for punching air in this fight.
Lynchesque 3 years ago 2
truth
stainshield 3 years ago
were was this fight held??
tarriambo 3 years ago
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yall talking like jose luis ramirez didnt beat pernell the girly punches hes throws and runs like a lil scared bitch.
Realnessmess0o0 3 years ago
That will be enough out of you Newton Campos.
southpawjab 3 years ago 3
@southpawjab If Chavez hadn't have chased Pernell Whitaker around the ring, there would have been NO fight..lol.. Did he even come close to hurting Chavez? Looked like they were playing tag and Chavez was it. All Pernell does is hit, hug, and run around the ring like a pussy.
MrSmasher21 1 year ago
some of you guys need to relax,whitaker was just clowning him... its not even that serious. and budfr you should watch boxing some more.
dano1b 4 years ago
I watch enough boxing, trust me, you should understand cultures and watch or better yet box a little yourself. Watch the Whitaker-Paez fight, Paez was not one of the best and he beat Pernell, just scoring points like a girl is not fighting.
budfr 3 years ago
True, Paez did whoop his ass, he landed the better punches. Whitaker just ran and clowed like a hoe.
ElRancholo2 3 years ago
whitakers style is unique never seen anything like it and probarly never will.
Stefanoitch 4 years ago
Whitaker ran most of the time most black boxers do that´s their style even though they fight good
budfr 4 years ago
What an incredibly ignorant, retarded comment.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
I think you are the ignorant and also obviously you don´t know anything about boxing, chiken-shit that´s problably how you fight, like a girl. puto
budfr 4 years ago
Did Marvin Hagler run? No! Did Tommy Hearns? No! Did Evander Holyfield? NO! Did Mike McCallum, Azumah Nelson, or Nigel Benn run? No!!! Not all african american "run" bud. Some may use effective footwork to move around the ring, but that's not neccessarily running. Please stop the stereotyping and the generalizaions bud
BrotherJR76 3 years ago
Those you mention didn´t run but that´s a small percentage if you count all the boxers. For mexicans is the other way around even if being hit, they rarely hug even if that means getting a beat.
budfr 3 years ago
congratulations, your a dumb ass :)
olddirtypelican 3 years ago
oooh, you´re a bitch.
budfr 3 years ago
Good point, there are a lot of black fighters that do NOT run. Like Joe Frazier, he was awesome, and the guys you mention. Whitaker was a running bitch though.
ElRancholo2 3 years ago
@budfr whitaker didnt run he hit and didnt get hit and he never engaged in brawls he would come in a throw some flurrys at you but only if he believe you hurt .
akilddddd 1 year ago
i know every punch in that fight, because i dont like sugar ray leonard. i respect him for what hes done in boxin, but i just dont like him. and if you read i said if he came in proper shape he could do somethin, not in that shitty dodgey shape he was in their second, leonard knew he couldnt beat him in hes prime, thats why he came up with a plan b :)
olddirtypelican 4 years ago
That was kindof pussy when Whitaker TURNED HIS BACK and RAN!!! Wow. I don't know how anyone could be proud of that.
lol!
ElRancholo2 4 years ago
Hey ElRancholo, still pissed off about the beating he gave Chavez?
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
Whitaker's never given anyone a "beating." He wins all his fights be boring decisions. He runs during the last minute and waits for the judges to give him the win. The best fighters he has knocked out are Jake Rodriguez and Juan Nazario, both bums. Ramirez said that Whitaker hits less hard than all the featherweights.
ElRancholo2 3 years ago
@ElRancholo2 what bout sanchez and that other fool he beat up in the ropes .? yall need to give whitaker all the credit he deserves there will never be another boxer like him and nobody will be better and whitaker dont run he dodges whatever you throw at him and he loves doing it . yall just hate the fact that he will beat any lightweight or welterweight you throw at him and be unserious doing it .
akilddddd 1 year ago
@akilddddd then why did he need to gift decisions against Wilfredo Rivera?
ElRancholo2 1 year ago
Whitaker did good in this one, better than their first encounter. All Whitaker did was run like a bitch in Ramirez/Whitaker I.
ElRancholo2 4 years ago
The brother is slick!
msta100 4 years ago 2
you gotta remember one thing about old timers, they all think the old school fighers would win, theyd pick dempsey over foreman, and that is just moronic.. at lightweight pep could definately pull it off, but duran has the punchers chance, when he was a lightweight he could really bomb, hes second fight with dejesus was insane. but i do not know enough about pep to say duran would win, just sayin i think duran has a good chance, with an iron jaw and relentless attack :)
olddirtypelican 4 years ago
I have seen heaps of willie pep's fights and though he was a brilliant, mercurial, and flashy boxer there is no way known to man he would have lived with roberto duran, no way. Duran literally would have killed willie pep.
danjon54 4 years ago 2
Pep was a Featherweight, Duran would've destroyed him at LW. Any boxing historian will tell you the same thing. Pep was too small.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
some arguements on here are foolish. thing with duran (which leonard exposed) was he puts on alot of weight after fights then trys to drop it all, im suprized he did as well as he did doing that, from 135 he ballooned up to 220s then dropped it, if duran came in proper shape (not just the weight) he might be able to do somethin, but sweet pea, wow, he is amazing :)
olddirtypelican 4 years ago
If you really knew boxing, you'd know that Duran BEAT Leonard in their first fight, their most meaningful fight, when they were both in their prime.
When you say that Leonard "exposed" Duran, it shows that you're all full of shit.
ElRancholo2 4 years ago
i know that duran beat leonard in their first fight, and if he did not expose duran in the second fight, what did he do? :)
olddirtypelican 3 years ago
Definition of expose: "to reveal or unmask (a crime, fraud, impostor, etc.): to expose a swindler."
Leonard would have "exposed" Duran if she would have shown the world that Duran was a fraud or was not as good as people thought he was (ie. Barrera exposing Hamed, Tyson expsoing McNeely).
But of course, this isn't the case, because Duran is an all-time great and BEAT Leonard in their most memorable fight. Therefore, your use of expose is totally wrong.
ElRancholo2 3 years ago
what i ment was exposing a weakness, not the fighter. in my first comment i was stating that duran puts on greats amount of weight and drops it all off, you being the first man to even use the damn word, regardless, leonard "exposed a weakness" used it, and got the win, if you dont agree with the weakness being exposed, what happened in the second fight?
olddirtypelican 3 years ago
Hey Man. I aGree wiTH U On THe LEONARD commenT. and jusT 4 THe record, LEONARD FouGHT DURAN TOE 2 TOE In THe 1sT FiGHT On purpose jusT 2 sHow Him THaT DURAN couLdn'T KnocK Him ouT. IF LEONARD FouGHT LiKe His normaL seLF In THe 1sT FiGHT, He wouLd Have won THe same way He did In THe 2nd FiGHT. some peopLe On Here and WHo waTcH Boxing R Bogus and don'T LiKe 2 give crediT WHere crediT Is DUE. and as 4 THose IDIOTs WHo caLLed "SWEET PEA" a runner. HE NEVER LOST IN HIS PRIME AGAINST THE BEST!!!!
XONNATHAGREAT 2 years ago
The best jab-right hook combos ive ever seen from a southpaw...unreal
swich160 4 years ago
Well I shouldn't say it like that, as Benitez style-wise is capable of giving Whitaker a very tough fight, but you said it like Benitez was a better fighter.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
who won this fight ?
RICARDOAGUAS 4 years ago
willie pep was incredible so what if sandy saddler could hit him sandy was one of the greatest boxer/puncher at his weight divison and a 100 percent pep beat him by putting a masterfull boxing display. U seriously underestimate sandy saddler if u think that pep isn't good at defense because he got hit by him saddler had punches like laser beams
elfinitoz 4 years ago
Duran beating sweatpea? lol only thing duran would be able to do in that fight is yell 'no mas' 'no mas'!!!! pernell all the way easy!!!
elfinitoz 4 years ago
duran had so much more then likes of ramirez, duran would have knocked whitaker OUT.
viglen4 4 years ago
or sugar ray leonard.
viglen4 4 years ago
hector camacho snr done a far better job on ramirez then that clown whitaker.
viglen4 4 years ago
Did he do a better job against Chavez, Haugen, DLH and Tito?
That's right.
southpawjab 4 years ago
I don't think so at all, both shut him out, both put clinics on him, but the fact remains that an amateur Whitaker schooled a prime pro Camacho in the gym, and Camacho was scared to man up.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
One thing though Mowglie...I have about 4-5 videos of Pep...and One video of Pep after the Chavez/Whitaker fight, of them being interviewed together and Whitaker acknowledging his style is a copycat from Pep...who IMO DID IT BETTER!! He won rounds NOT throwing a single punch..Duran wouldnt touch Pep/Whitaker!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
He undoubtedly said that to show good words for Pep if Pep was right therte with him, that's pretty tarsnparent. Watch them fight, they really didn't fight much a like other than the fact that they were both great defensive masters and very slick. Totally different offense and everything. And I'm sure you're one of the only ones who thinks Willie Pep could beat Duran at LW. That is insane.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
pep wasn't that great a defensive fighter, sandy sadler found him easy to hit.
viglen4 4 years ago
Mowligie your a 19 year old KID!!! I think I have alot more people agreeing with me than you think...go to eastside boxing where I write...Willie Pep had 1 fighter that had his number like so many greats have had....Forrest for Mosley...Sadler for Pep...Norton for Ali...etc and so on....you base alot of your opinions young man, of of 1 fight!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
I am on Eastside boxing dude, I post as Sweet Pea on the site, who are you? Nobody on that forum other than ytou will say that Pep beats Duran. Start a poll on there soon, and tell me about it when you do. Again, I am Sweet Pea on there.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
I had a poll on eastside yesterday just for the hell of it...took the first 50 responses, on a perspective outcome of that fight and had 43 out of 50 taking pep easy!! These are 60 year old writers and savants my man...its nice to see our youth though, taking up interest in boxing!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
LMAO at viglen....saying the unamiously voted greatest defensive fighter EVER as no good...Viglen you are just a fan period...you know nothing!!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
and you contradict yourself alot kiddo...Sweet offensively was on par with Pep....Duran as you said so subtley got frustrated...what do you think Pep would do as well as whitaker...see you just never really saw pep at his prime I am sure after seeing some of your posts! I am getting my friends from eastside to see the things you been saying so they can laugh!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
I notice you still haven't made that poll,and that you were lying about ever doing that on Eastsideboxing, as hardly anyone there would pick Pep over Duran. Why not make it already? Or did you recognize my name and get cold feet?
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
look at jose luis ramirez, u could hit him with ur eyes closed. he's no roberto duran and whitaker he's a fuckin clown.
viglen4 4 years ago
oohhh I had a weight class off, you must be god. Duran quit bottom line...I dont know why you sweat your hero, to the point that you become irrational...Tommy no heart Hearns killed your boy..and I mean KILLED him. Hagler ate him up for 12 rounds, i remember what the legend eddie futch said about Duran after watching him beat davey moore, the best ONE DIMENSIONAL fighter there was. Eddie said it, its GOLD son.
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
Look Duran was a nice little fighter, but when he went against the best of his era he came up short, THATS THE BOTTOM LINE. Hagler, leonard, hearns all beat him, and thats the most important thing. Sweet would have frustrated Duran more than Leonard
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
And I can tell you reaching for some made up facts...1)Tony Canzoneri wasnt even a top 20 fighter in my opinion....or Ring magazine for that fact...so why dont you pick out another "old" fighter to hype a duran victory. 2) Arcel or you are lying because Benny Leonard started fighting when Arcel was like 9 years old so somebodys lying.
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
ray arcel was born in 1899 and benny leonard 1896, i go with arcel he saw them all. and hagler duran was in front on the score cards after 12 rounds not bad for a lightweight, in todays 12 rounders he would have won.
viglen4 4 years ago
ray arcel who trained duran at his peak and was around all the greats benny leonard, tony canzoneri, barney ross etc. said roberto duran would have beat the lot in his prime.
viglen4 4 years ago
ring magazine had this clown whitaker beating roberto duran, duran would have killed him.
viglen4 4 years ago
Duran would have been to slow to fuck with this...Pernell had one punch he struggled with avoiding...jab...and the way Duran looped his jab instead of keeping it straight and snapping it off, Pea would have seen it all day!! Just like Oscar, Duran struggled with Boxers big time, especially when he moved up from his comfort zone of 135.
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
hey sugar ray leonard wasn't a bad boxer, roberto duran in shape was the greatest fighter that ever lived.
viglen4 4 years ago
Look Duran was a ATG..lol but the GOAT..far from...Armstrong...Robinson.....Ali....Louis...Pep...etc so on...all better than Duran...I would put hands of stone in top 15 but thats about it....and hey he got LUCKY with the decision against Leonard in first fight...Second fight showed what each fighter truly was.....and ANY GOAT...cant have a "no mas" on his record!!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
yes the greatest, i don't think armstrong or pep would have beat iran barkley. duran was lightweight, welter, light-middleweight and middleweight world champ and don,t forget he bypassed the light- welter division. and the no-mas fight leonard fought like a girl.
viglen4 4 years ago
Dude what a bad counter arguement viglen......You OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about the sport...LMAO at the moron....Henry Armstrong had the lightweight,welterweight,Middyweight titles ALL at once beating the greats to hold them, willie pep would make duran look like shit, just like sweet would. Look Chavez WAS better than Duran, and look at what sweet did to him...made a living legend look like an amateur. BTW Duran QUIT....doesnt matter how Leonard fought...HE FUCKIN QUIT...only PUSSIES QUIT
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
hey dummy armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titles at the same time. he never held the middleweight title, he fought ceferino garcia to a draw in 1940. and the likes of barney ross and lou ambers who he beat to win the lightweight and welterweight titles couldn't lace durans boots. and chavez duran would have had him for breakfast chavez lol.
viglen4 4 years ago
You're saying someone else doesn't know about the sport yet you incorrectly state Armstrong's credentials. He held the Feathereight, Lightweight, and Welterweigh titles at once, not the Lightweight, Welterweight, and Middleweight.
And you are terrible wrong about Duran. I think Pea may have beaten him, but no way Featherweight Pep does, nor does Chavez. Duran was better in every area than Chavez and had more dimensions to his game.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
So you're saying Duran quit against a girl?
southpawjab 4 years ago
Your wrong about that though. I'm going back and forth on this argument between you two. No way Duran kills Whitaker though.
I believe you are too biased toward Duran, although he was top 10, and that vze3zzh6 is too biased against him.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
My man I have been watching boxing since I was 6 years old....There is a reason dont you think that willie the wisp pep is unilaterally top 5-10 in every boxing savant, journalist, websites all time fighters!!! Also the only reason I even was in a debate with that moron, is because he has Duran BEATING EVERYONE!!! Geez look before you type my man.....and dont put words in my mouth saying i hate on duran...he was 1 of my fav fighters growing up....just never liked a quitter!!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
Also mowglie whatever....Pep fought most of his career at featherweight yes, but also a good chunk at lightweight...go look at the weights he used to fight at....the average was 135 lbs...so yes a LIGHTWEIGHT Pep beats Duran...geez Sweet learned his style from Pep, its in his autobiography...so you got Sweet winning but not the originator of sweets style...I think YOU need to stop acting like YOU know all!!!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
well if u wan't to talk about great boxers a prime hector camacho snr was a much better boxer then pee wee.
viglen4 4 years ago
Whitaker even before the Olympics whooped a prime Camacho's ass in sparring. Camacho wanted none of it in the pro ranks.
southpawjab 4 years ago
LOL, Whitaker schooled Hector Camacho in his own gyn, and this was a young Pea against a prime Camacho. Macho was great in his prime, but he was no Pea.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
whitaker could'nt punch his way out of a wet paper bag, ROBERTO DURAN would have knocked pee wee out.
viglen4 4 years ago
The weight was up to 135 due to opponents failing to make weight, but he was universally a Featherweights, and nobody he faced at 135 was as good as Duran. Saddler was great at FEATHERWEIGHT, but even at that weight wasn't as good as Duran at Lightweight. Duran was too big, too strong, and too much for Pep at 135 if Saddler was too much at 126.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
duran is no quitter ask iran barkley. duran was'nt in shape for the rematch with leonard, duran was'nt going to chase that clown for 15 rounds.
viglen4 4 years ago
And yes I have Pea winning over Duran because he was a bigger, and in my opinion more well rounded version of Pep. Pep was too small for Duran period, though his style may have been a problem. He had the style, nopt the substance, I feel Pea had both.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
Well at least mowglie and southpaw have some boxing knowledge where as viglen just has man love going on for duran....It takes balls viglen to think you can just brush aside Duran quitting...Bert Sugar even was quoted when the espn top 50 came out as saying that quit moved him dpwn his ATG list!!
vze3zzh6 4 years ago
just look at durans record, could you see whitaker beating iran barkley don't think so.
viglen4 4 years ago
No, but I could definitely see him beating Wilfred Benitez. Anyways, the comparison between the two is at Lightweight.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
benitez would have beaten whitaker no problem, and duran was the greatest lightweight ever. and to move up to middleweight and beat barkley i think makes duran even greater, and he was 38 at the time.
viglen4 4 years ago
Benitez beating Whitaker? Now that's a funny one.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago
Your also forgetting Kirkland Laing giving Duran a boxing lesson and Laing was an average fighter at best go and watch that fight and then comeback on here and tell me he would beat Whitaker.
boxingfanwho 4 years ago
Whitaker was boring and got his butt kicked by Ramirez. He beat Chavez in a track meet all right, but not in the fight. Remember, this isn't to see who is the fastest runner, it's to see who is the better fighter. Whitaker=better runner. Chavez=better fighter.
dcrtse 4 years ago
Got his butt kicked by Ramirez? LMFAO!! Did you watch the tape you stupid fool? He completely clowned and outclassed him, and he whooped him the first fight too, it was one of THE biggest robberies in boxing history. And if you actually watched the Chavez fight, you'll know Whitkaer did no running at all, he simply outboxed and outfought and outclassed Chavez.
mowglieboy1 4 years ago
Just because you flip burgers for a living doesn't make everyone else a fool. Ramirez and Whitaker fought in France, a neutral country so there wasn't any bias. Just because SweetBoring Pea lost doesn't mean you have to hate everyone else. "he simply outboxed and outfought and outclassed Chavez." Buahahaha!! I'm not even going to dignify that remark. I'll just take it that you like guys will wiggle their ass and run around the ring throwing pitter patter shots!!!
dcrtse 4 years ago
You obviously haven't seen the Chavez/Whitaker fight or are embarassed of what happend to Chavez, but Whitaker did not run at all. The fight against Ramirez is widely thought of as arguably THE biggest robbery in the history of boxing. He pretty much shut him out, dominated the fight, almost as bad as the second fight(only difference weas he backed up too much in the first one), and he got blatantly robbed. It was a masterclass, and he got robbed. Actually watch the fight.
mowglieboy1 4 years ago
No, Whitaker didn't run (Ha!). I guess that is why he was backpedaling throughout the whole fight. Whenever Chavez got close to him he would grab him and hug him. I don't blame him. After what Chavez did to Meldrick Taylor I would run and hug to. "The fight against Ramirez is widely thought of as arguably THE biggest robbery in the history of boxing." Says who? You and a few others? Maybe in your opinion, but not in mine.
dcrtse 4 years ago
Oh and not in the opinion of the judges who scored the fight for Ramirez. I'm glad those judges rewarded Ramirez for coming to fight, not make it a track meet or see who wiggles their hips more. Bottom line, Whitaker lost.
dcrtse 4 years ago