Magpul Massoud Test Fire

[Gdick1193]

please keep this one under magpul's manufacturing

we dont want to pay twice as much for a great weapon like the bushmaster acr and its greedy manufacturer

[Coleybears1]

I really feel like this is a Plastic Scar Heavy.

[Bozo7891]

on the acr u can get a variety of cals like the.223/5.56 6.8 and the 7.62/308

[1abcrr1]

REFINED AR-10 OK BUT THE MILITARY PROBABLY HAS THOUSANDS OF M-14S OR M1A'S AND THERE USEING THEM SO .A NEED ARISES FOR THE RANGE AND STOPING POWER OF THE .308 7.62X51 THEY PULL A COUPLE OF HUNDRED OUT OF STORAGE FIX EM UP PUT SOME DO DADS ON THE ,EARLER GENERATIONS DID WITHOUT. THEN TELL THE MARINES GO GET EM BOYS ?! THIS TYPE OF GUN IS THE FUTURE BUT ITS A BIT OFF.

[superstreetking95]

i personally think the US Military adopt the ACR and Massoud and the Scar as well sorry m416 and 17 but these rifles are really the best.

[TwinklesPussMaster61]

@superstreetking95 You have read my mind. Besides the ACR is made in the US and the SCAR was built strictly for us.

[kookahjoon]

hoho! 7.62x51mm with low recoil...now thats what i called it a real gun! XCR Robinson Arms may have a low recoil,but with too many malfunctions... Magpul wins!

[SymAmineC8H11N]

what's the highest capacity mag so far?? mash'allah...

[CaptainCuro]

You guys make excellent fire arms, but there are those of us, that live in countries, that are not so liberal about gun control (Canada for instance), and still enjoy the sport of airsoft, I heard you where doing a partnership awhile back for a Masada airsoft gun, and I was wondering is there any planes for a Massoud airsoft rifle?

[10mmTroy]

Bushmaster will make it three years from now, it will cost $3,000 and be less accurate than an out of the box DPMS.

Watch.

[NoXoNaToR]

It Mossounded like a beasT

[AstatineMime]

big recoil man. bet those babes who shoot guns and get their vids posted on youtube get their noses crushed if they tried this

[roberto376]

i wish magpul wouldve kept the masada to themselves and sold it themselves, and not let bushmaster mess with it and try and make their own profit by making it 3000 dollars. and if im wrong about something or unaware of a factor that made that happen please dont fire off at me, but inform me. im just going off what i know at the moment.

[rotorleopard]

@roberto376 They're too busy manufacturing PMags.

[AstatineMime]

@roberto376 Well what can you do? There's a big business out there

[10mmTroy]

@roberto376

You're not wrong, the Bushmaster ACR is heinously overpriced for what it does on the civilian market.

[zombie133]

I,ve heard of the 5.56 that can go to a 6.8 in this rifle. I didn't know it could change to .308

[harino45]

Are there different types of ACR? I hear Bushmaster and Remington and more...are those different companies making the exact same guns?

[MarineWMU911]

@harino45

Both Bushmaster and Remington are owned by the same company, Cerberus aka Freedom Group, the also own DPMS. So yes to companies owned by the same people making the same gun, the Remington one is for the Mil/LE market, the overpriced POS Bushmaster is for us at the gunshops and shows

[Delta2099]

what barrel length its that? 12.5 ?

[po0po0nanA]

i would go with the masada

[VALVEGAMER20]

magpul masda is the version that fires the 5.56 and the massoud fires 7.62

[Dragon5n]

Thanks, I was wondering what the difference was, i thought it was just the barrel length, but that didn't make too much sense..

[bensevrywere]

no, the masada is a modular weapon system. its not tied down to one specific calibre, barrel length, or lower reciver.

[TrollKing2009]

why are americans so crazy over jews and israel? if you like israel so much then go over there.

[Magpul]

TrollKing2009, It is hard to show ignorance in just one sentence but I must say you have succeeded.

The Massoud is named after the Afghan, Ahmad Shah Massoud. It has nothing to do with Israel. That said there are plenty of things to admire in both the Afghan and Israeli cultures so your statement is ignorant on multi-levels.

[ryan52620]

i thank you sir, for your intelligence and wisdom I'm so used to reading stupid comments like trollkings

[Dragon5n]

Thank you!

[bensevrywere]

rule 1 of the internet: dont feed the troll

[helix4811]

@Magpul

agreed, while i am not a big fan of Israel, i still think that the jewish people have a great culture, AND THAT'S COMING FROM A MUSLIM!!

and i just noticed, you guys seem to name guns after people and places, that true? or am i just imagining it?

[10mmTroy]

@Magpul

He's a hero to the Afghans and was a true ally to The United States. He warned us about an imminent attack before 9/11, Osama Bin Laden had him assassinated on 9/10/01. He was a great man, I hope this weapon keeps its name when it is produced.

[SubzeroedMind]

@Magpul Who is the guy?

Also, Mossada is associated to the Israelis, right? The suicide on the mountain story?

Peace

[mentoro]

@TrollKing2009 go back to playing WoW ya douche

[shitpickle1128]

i hope the american military will replace the our m16 service rifle with this beautiful gun

[xr3verendx]

well there is always the scar... even i feel that the scar and this gun are very similiar

[steelwolf411]

@shitpickle1128 or at least the masada

[TajikMedia]

The gun is named after the Lion of Persia Massoud RIP. Thank you.

[noodleninjaa]

This gun is the Massoud, the Masada is a totally different gun.

[PariahOfTheKOHLM]

I really hope some manufacturer offers these lugs some serious cash to produce these with Magpul. I know they wanna keep their options open, but I kinda hope they pair off with Bushmaster and that their collaborative momentum from the ACR project carries through to swift distribution on this. I so wanna gitsum with this thing, you have no idea...

[Squecko]

Massoud. Masada was bought by Bushmaster, and is now their ACR. Massoud is developed by magpul. Difference is in the cartridge, 5.56x45mm for the ACR, versus the 7.62x51mm for the Massoud.

[Chronobeanz]

if the masada can be converted to 7.62x39 then can the massoud be converted to another round: such as the 7.62x54R?

[Squecko]

I don't see why it couldn't be converted to it. It'd be one helluva job, and might not be worth it.

[Chronobeanz]

nah I meant in the same way as the Masada. As one of the major selling points of the Masada was its ability to quickly disassemble and reassemble allowing the user to change the lower receiver and the barrel to change the caliber.

[MarineWMU911]

If it is able to be re-chambered easily, It'll be for rounds such as the .338 Federal, 6.5x47 Lapua, or 6.5 Creedmoor. Maybe .270 Rem, The key is having a cartridge that will feed through the 7.62x51mm magazines.

[Chronobeanz]

Really? Once re-chambered the massada can take AK magazines. So surely on the same logic the Massoud would take Druganov magazines.

[MarineWMU911]

Assuming the feel the need to make a dragonuv lower receiver. Its not nearly as popular a round as the 7.62x39. Its not that it cant be done, its demand for that feature. All the rounds i listed are growing increasingly popular and can feed without a lower receiver change. Just bolt face, barrel. and maybe magazine follower

[Chronobeanz]

I looked at the rounds you talked about and they don't seem to be the type that would be found in caches in Iraq and Afghanistan, unlike the 7.62x39 (which would be very popular) and the 7.62x54R (which might be less popular but still easier to find then those rounds or NATO rounds). The idea behind the Masada was that special forces could use the ammunition of their enemies, so I'm assuming the Massoud is the sniper version of the Masada.

[MarineWMU911]

It is first and fore most a likely candidate to replace the AR15 platform currently fielded by the US Military and law enforcement. The quick caliber conversions are in a possible anticipation of the US changing their standard general purpose round. The alternate lower receivers (which are non serialized and therefore much cheaper to manufacture) were both to personalize and make the weapon easier to mission adapt as well as use non NATO rounds.

[MarineWMU911]

Im not saying that 7.62x54R is impossible, just more unlikely as the following of this and the Masada are very heavily in the US civilian markets until such time as they secure a large military contract. This is less likely, at least by the US Army, as they have just spent a great deal of money on the KAC M110 SASS.

[Squecko]

7.62x54r is not even close to as ubiquitous as the 7.62x39 cartridge is, I don't see why, in a situation you're describing, you would need a rifle chambered in it, when you'll easily find twice as much 7.62x39 laying around. Marine is correct in all his statements, Magpul is company, and as such, looks to wards military contracts, the Massoud weapon system looks to be a Designated Marksman Rifle replacement, whilst the Masada looks to be the standard rifle replacement.

[MarineWMU911]

As I see it and look at the rounds Bushmaster (the most likely mass manufacturer) uses in its firearms line, as well as those most prevalent in US markets. In addition to .308, .270 Rem, 243 Rem. 6.5x47 Lapua, 6.5 Creedmoor, .338 Federal are likely to be the easiest to convert to as they feed from a .308 Mag. Any Remington round is a safe bet in a bushmaster line. This assuming this weapon makes it quickly to mass production (cross your fingers boys). I honestly love .7.62x51/.308, 6.5x47 too

[fbs9494]

i believe the round your looking for is the .260 remington same case just necked down to the 6.5mm projectile same taper degree too. its far better than the .308 in terms of ballistics though not as common or cheap it will take the same mags just as well as a .308

[MarineWMU911]

Close very likely, but the 6.5x47 Lapua is a European round, IDK much more about it. I wouldn't mind a 260 remington conversion and its far more likely than one based on a european round

[fbs9494]

well the 6.5 creedmoor is the same case as the .260 remington but just has a deeper taper the maximum case overall length is a little longer so it may fit but it would be tight.

[Ranger115gamer]

@MarineWMU911 6.5 Creedmoor??? i thought it was 6.5 grendle

[MarineWMU911]

@Ranger115gamer

The Creedmoor is based around the 7.62x51 cartridge, the 6.5 grendel or 6.5x39 is designed to fire out of the AR15 platform, the Masada/ACR

The Massoud will take AR10/SR25 length ammunition

[Ranger115gamer]

@MarineWMU911 oh okay thanks

[fusionstar916]

the magazine well would not be long enough to facilitate any 7.62x54r magazines.

[Chronobeanz]

look at the massada and you'll see what I mean.

[theinfedel]

@Chronobeanz i thought it was 6.8 grendel or somthing

[whiteoak321]

Does the mini 14 pmag function well?

[MelonKiller1]

its a pmag it works lol

[bighitter42]

What was so awful about him holy warrior? I don't defend America's foreign policy, but I think Massoud generally fought for decent ideas.

[Iraqveteran8888]

stout recoil...

[ForTehNguyen]

ACR got delayed until Q109, start off being available in 5.56mm. Having 7.62x39 and .308 barrels handy would be nice also. ACR basically takes a lot of the major design features of M16, FN SCAR, G36 and wrapped them together. Polymer body, gas piston, M16 magazines and trigger group

[rws591]

Is the ACR still going to be able to have multiple calibers or are you going to be releasing multiple rifles.

[TomsGuns]

reminds me of the FN SCAR heavy a bit

[olbertus]

Nice one...it looks sweet in "the real man's caliber" known as .308...

[viperq]

Awesome .308 rifle

[ArcticSheep]

doesnt massoud sound awfully like masada? couldnt someone get them mixed up?

[JamesMcCloud129]

Oh lawd, is dat sum .308? Daddy want.

[thatonekidmatt]

Was that a .308 pmag I saw in that beauty?

[dabrits]

beautiful! I hear that the masada will be available in spring 08, is that true?

[atlboy82]

Second quarter of this year.

[TurkishCommando55]

THat is some recoil, will the 6.8mm be sold for civilians as well?

[Magpul]

Gas port was opened up all the way on this string but 7.62x51 carbines do kick.

[atlboy82]

Damn you people make some good rifles. Hurry up and put them on the market though. :)

[TurkishCommando55]

Yeah I know. But if the gas port was opened up all the way that would give a good kick.

[Bravo86]

I think a fully open gas port would equal less kick, since you would get less gas leaving the barrel and causing an opposite force pushing against your shoulder. I might be wrong though.

[TurkishCommando55]

NO fully open gas piston would mean more gas goes to the gas piston to push it back.

[kittenclaws]

But the action would be delayed spreading equal backwards force over a greater time period meaning less felt recoil. Again, all in theory as "Felt Recoil" is about as standardized a science as "Perfect grips size". ie: Use what works ;)

[ShootBlueHelmets]

Hello Magpul. Can you state any agreement with Bushmaster on the Massoud one as of yet? Next, will there be a correlating heavy/light interchangabilty with the ACR? By that, I mean could one perhaps buy the larger rifle and put smaller calibers in it?

[bighitter42]

I doubt the lower recievers would match up, but I'd like to know where the Massoud stands too. It'd be kick ass if it got to keep it's original name. Massoud just sounds like something built to kick serious ass.

[Taulmarl]

Ahmad Shah Massoud was the leader of the Northern Alliance right before 9/11. He was one of the most popular and most pro-Western leaders in Afghanistan. He was one of the guerrilla leaders when the Soviets invaded. He was unfortunately assassinated 9/09/01. So i think it's pretty appropriate to name such a kick ass gun after him.

[bighitter42]

The Lion of Panshir

[Taulmarl]

Bingo