Nicene Creed

[saiyanmage]

@Powell4184

THIS. IS. SPARTAAAAAAAA!

[jonsplace1]

Get it right! It's I believe

[timmyp34]

i recall it being "one holy ROMAN catholic and apostolic church" (emphasis mine). did they take out the Roman part? or is my memory faulty?

[EngravedCross]

@gtepp031387 The reality is in the nuanced language of the Original Greek of the Nicene Creed. The spirit proceeded from God the Father. The Spirit also could be Sent Forth by the Son. Proceeded from and Sent Forth By are two very different theological concepts. Therefore to say that the Spirit suddenly proceeds from the Father and the Son is to change the theology of the original Creed. Perhaps it needed changing, but it was not the original intent or faith of the Fathers and Mothers.

[catholicpeter]

"But some one will say, perhaps, Shall there, then, be no progress in Christ's Church? Certainly; all possible progress. For what being is there, so envious of men, so full of hatred to God, who would seek to forbid it? Yet on condition that it be real progress, not alteration of the faith. " Vincent of Lerins

[catholicpeter]

I have another question for any Orthodox. Should you not ONLY accept Nicene Creed and none of subsequent creeds (e.g. Constantinople) which add to the original, since you claim to not add anything to the original doctrine. Why did you then not reject all councils following the first, which added discussion on the Spirit, the natures of Christ, etc.

[coolest813]

@catholicpeter Yes, we reject most ADDITIONS to the doctrine(an addition being something entirely new.) However, the 6 councils to follow Nicea were expansions and affirmations of the correct doctrine against new heresies. Also, expansion of the doctrine is alright as long as it does not contradict any of the previously affirmed teachings. For example, the second half of the creed added at Constantinople did not collide with any of the previous teachings and show it wrong, it only expanded it.

[catholicpeter]

@coolest813 I agree completely. That is my point. The filioque was a development, a progress, not a distortion of the creed.

[T0pcatFilms]

look up the word catholic, not Catholic, and you'll find something interesting that means that the Nicene Creed applies to all Christians not just the Catholic Church

[T0pcatFilms]

@apopyalips how so?

[lovencare62]

This is a Catholic Nicene Creed. Whoever recites this he/she is a Catholic christian.. You all non Catholics, non christians must come home. We all belongs to one holy, true, apostolic church and that is a Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself, son of god who lives and reign with him and the holy spirit, one god forever and ever.

[2012uchicago]

thats Catholic not catholic

[Ginny202]

Hi, so many thanks for this, Ginny

[craventref]

if you are a true christian you know what's the meaning of nicene creed.

[coolest813]

Actually, this is the Catholic Nicene Creed, modified by many popes. The original Nicene Creed, which is still used in the Greek Orthodox church has some fundamental differences. Instead of saying "we", the original creed stated "I", because you can't speak for the person sitting next to you when you don't know what he believes in. Here it says "proceeds from the Father and Son" the original creed states "proceeds from the Father" referring to the Holy Spirit. Catholics, please know what you say

[catholicpeter]

@coolest813 You are correct, this is the Constantinopalian Creed. Yet, this is merely an expansion of the original Nicene Creed, and not harming any of the affirmed dogmas. The Spirit does proceed from the Father through the Son (therefore and the Son). This does not damage the hierarchical Godhead. To omit the filioque would be to exclude the Son from the procession of the Spirit.

[coolest813]

@catholicpeter Dear friend, if John buys a gift which he intends to give to Peter, and suddenly something pops up, so he tells Thomas to give the gift to Peter (therefore the gift was sent from John through Thomas to Peter.) Does Peter tell Anthony that he got a gift from John AND Thomas? Yes I agree that the Holy Spirit was sent through Jesus, but the words "and" and "through" are very different, especially when taken theologically.

[catholicpeter]

@coolest813 You again!? Haha, hello friend. Yes as you know I am Eastern Catholic and we are told to say through the son or to eliminate either (which for the latter, I find incomplete). Google 'Catholic Answers Filioque'

or use the book I recommended to see the multitude of Fathers writings on the matter. Because Holy Spirit proceeds it is not wrong to say he proceeds from the Father and the Son (because it is through the Son from the SOURCE of the Father). Hence heirarchy of Godhead untampered

[gtepp031387]

@catholicpeter I just don't get it Jesus is fully GOD, to say something didn't proceed from him, is saying something didn't proceed from GOD.The way I see it is that GOD appeared to us in 3 forms, not three selfs, if that makes sence. Take me Sean, you see me one day as a golfer, the next as a painter, the next as a writter, but all three are still Sean, and fully Sean, I can not say Sean the golfer proceeds from Sean the painter, and not from Sean the writter, this would be confessing two Seans

[catholicpeter]

@coolest813 As for you analogy, Did not the gift come from Thomas and John? Of course it did. Yet also from Thomas through John? Of course it did. The terms are not exclusive so long as the origin of the Father is maintained. Essentially, from perspective of receiver, the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son; Holy Spirit proceeds from Father through the Son; Holy Spirit proceeds from Father as origin but with participation of Son in giving.

[coolest813]

@catholicpeter I still think the gift was only sent from John but through Thomas, and cannot be considered to be from both. Haha I think we will never agree on that subject, but that's what made me meet you, I'll keep in touch every once in a while :)

[catholicpeter]

@coolest813 Haha, yes truly. Let me try and illustrate my meaning with an analogy. Imagine a bullet in a gun magazine, that travels through the gun barrel. (Forget all other parts of a gun for the purpose of argument.) Now the Holy Spirit is the bullet, the barrel is Son and the Magazine is the Father. The bullet travels from the magazine through the barrel. The magazine is the origin, but did the bullet not truly come from the magazine AND the barrel?

[moeazysgc]

What disgusting lies about God! Blasphemy trinity is only conjecture not one proof Jesus ever said i n God the father,holy Ghost r three! Plus God created Spirit n Souls for his Creation look at what Satan make u believe n misleads u with u breaking god commands You shall worship no other Gods(Trinity included)! True Christians were Judeo-Christians like Jesus n Arianism come close but differ slight

[DaisyLark]

anonymousgrl, it's nice to be friends with everybody, it's our duty to 'love our neighbour' but you need to know that the catholic don't believe in the 'same thing' any more. they changed the Creed. look at 2.33 and then look at the Orthodox Creed.

hope this is not taken as an attack, but as an account of facts. God be with all of us and guide us!

[dcrippen2000]

@DaisyLark Yeah.. Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father AND the Son through the Son. Eastern Orthodox only believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone and through the Son. However, the Trinity does not reserve parts of himself from eachother. The Father Pours his whole love out entirely to the Son and the Son to the Father and the Love poured out to oneanother is so real and infinite, that its a divine person of God.

[dcrippen2000]

@dcrippen2000 the Holy Spirit! To say God reserves a part of himself from the other perverts the Love and unity of God and the Covenant he selflessly makes with himself.

[DaisyLark]

@dcrippen2000 It's obvious we can't speak or understand the language of the heart if we are at different levels and other differences, too. It wasn't my intention to advocate, but to point out the difference. And, the other important fact is that the catholic creed was changed after the split, not the other way round. And the Catholics changed the architecture of the churches (the "romanic" ones) by closing the door where it was, opening one on the side, removing the place where the altar was, e

[catholicpeter]

@DaisyLark Christ said love your neighbour, and love your enemy. He did not say 'do not have enemies' but love your enemies. I don't have to necessarily like the personality of everyone.

[DaisyLark]

@catholicpeter I agree. I just don't understand why you're addressing this to me (?)

[catholicpeter]

@DaisyLark Actually neither do I. Looking back on this post, it doesn't seem relevant to anything you said. Perhaps I meant this post for another and accidentally directed to you. Mea Culpa, sorry.

[DaisyLark]

@catholicpeter It's ok. Cheers!

[mommafletch]

I've watched this about a hundred times now!!! It's GORGEOUS!!!! Thank you so much!!!!

[trogdorm1]

the first reason why christians and catholics split was because in the classical civilizations catholic masses were in latin and the greeks didnt understand so separated and did their own church in their language which is now greek orthodox or christian. i dont know if im right but if you have your opinion feel free to reply.

[markpaghi]

I have 3 questions for you.

1. Do you believe what Jesus said in John 14:11?

2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?

3. Do you believe GOD is all wise and gave us the bible to teach us?

[2tone38stang]

Catholics are right. Everyone else is wrong. That's the bottom line. Period.

[blackhawkfan54]

The first three verses say it all- no more- no less... I was left with the number 444 the first time- the other night in a vision. Its still hard to process.

[kristinaraygoza]

It's beautiful!

[bfg762]

Truth... If only Christians would understand that they are all different parts of the same body... I am protestant and would give everything I can to the mission which would try to make a better relationship between denominations. Will not give one penny to the protestant mission in Macedonia, Bulgaria, former USSR etc. where they trying to convert orthodox and catholics into protestants, don't think it is Gods will.

[homocorpus]

5 in Greek language this 2 idioms of the spirit are given by 2 different verbs πέμπω and εκπορευω ( send and proceed). Latin fathers das not understand this difrend

[homocorpus]

1 Son is not a part from the father and father is not a part from the son, and also Holy Spirit is not a part from the father or a part from the son, saying thing like this is like to say father is the 1/3 of divinity, the son has the other 1/3 of divinity and spirit the rest of 1/3 of divinity. No, the truth is that, father has the all divinity, son also has the all divinity and spirit also has the all divinity.

[NoAntecessor]

I think the benny hill intro song would have been more appropriate.

[elijah7k]

@homocorpus The Holy Trinity is one, Three Persons in One God.

So The Holy Spirit Proceeds from the Father and the Son.

The Three of them are God and that is a mystery that the Orthodox theologians have struggle to understand for centuries.

[homocorpus]

@elijah7k no, the holy spirit proceeds from the fother only ,as the son is birth from the fother only . i thing you have ignorens apout theology and eclesiastic history, because the nicean credo has not the words "and from the son"( filioqve )and saint avgustine das not saying "filioqve "

[elijah7k]

@homocorpus SHUT UP you don't know what you are talking about study some theology first or see if you got the balls to go to REALCATHOLIC TV ON YOUTUBE.

You might learn something.

[homocorpus]

@elijah7k I can smell from here that you have ignorens about the dogma of trinity when you say that “Son is a part of the Father” IT IS HERETIC DOGMA FOR KATHOLIC CHURCH TOO NOT ANLY FOR ORTHODOX CHURCH….SON IS NOT PART FROM THE FATHER , SON IS FROM THE FATHER YES , BUT HE IS NOT A “PART”.

[homocorpus]

@elijah7k Also you have ignores about ecclesiastic history because you don’t have idea that the word filioqve was inserted in credo in 800 ac by the popes. THIS HISTORYCAL FACT IS ACEPTED BY THE CHURCH OF ROME TOO ,the original nicean credo ( holy first sinod of 323 AC and holy second sinod of constandinuple ) das not have the word filioqve in the original greek text (accept it). Ask an orthodox theologian or historian about this.

[homocorpus]

@elijah7k also you can read the gospel of john in greek and you will see the difrend words πεμπω and εκπορευω (send and prossed) the word "send",you can see in-jochn 14/15 and 16/5, the word prossed in jochn 14/26 ,you can see two words send and prossed in john 15/26. Also I can smell from here that you are a total fanatic person , I don’t want to write words like "shut up "or words like this. I only say search and you will find. Orthodoxy is there

[homocorpus]

finde more in wikipedia Filioque

[elijah7k]

@homocorpus The Holy Spirit doesn't proceeds from the Father only but From the Son.

Just as the Holy Spirit is part of the Father and the Son so is the Father and the Son Part of the Holy Spirit.

St Augustine was told that the Mystery of the Trinity was impossible for us to understand.

This much is True The Holy Trinity is One God.

[maimingbetty]

People who believe in an afterlife, can you answer this for me please? If you found out for sure that when you die there is nothing, how would you live your life? Would you live differently from when you thought the afterlife was real?

[LloyJac]

@photolitherland How do you know that? You don't, you have faith that's the way it is. I happen to have faith that life continues after death. We have faith in different things, unprovable things. And I hope that your belief changes because it is my belief that if it doesn't, you will face God's wrath -- and I would not wish that on you, nor anyone else.

[BobEvansInAtlanta]

So your mind has spoken...such a shame.  Now it's time, what little time you have left to examine you life and what it's worth. Good luck...you're going to need it!

[JRMAN65]

Baptism does not forgive us for our sin.......That is why Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty of sin, and we have a choice to recieve the gift of eternal life & forgivness for our sins through our savoiur Jesus Christ. Christ forgives sin and is the savoiur for the soul.

[jayjohnraien]

i believe in the Power of GOD.... and in Myteries that revealed in our heart..... have faith... have faith... have faith.... and hope, because GOD is always there, now and forever.....

[tjduhon]

In faith I believe.

[kingdomseeker40]

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[ERDBEBEN17]

This is not the truely creed , the catholics added from themself " filioque" which in the genuine creed this term didn't exist !

[LeGrondeur]

The Catholic Church created the Nicene Creed, the Catholic Church revised the Nicene Creed. It is and was their Apostolic right to do so.

The Holy Spirit is defined in the Eastern Orthodoxy as the bond of Love that "IS" God, between God the Father and God the Son, therefore, it is said," Who proceeds from the Father and Son..." The filioque is an addition, by the Frankish Popes, and is thoroughly sound in doctrine and dogma. This "IS" the Nicene Creed. So get over it.

[Colts4ever123]

The Frankish were installed without proper approval from the new Rome.

The Nicene Creed was not created only by the Catholic Church there were all Patriarchs including the Pope that were the first among equals, So this is not done alone by the Catholic Church you leave out the other Sees, If I am wrong, I will admit it,but if you research, do so by a book not by the Catholics or Orthodox.

[LazaBrkonja]

This is NOT the Nicene Creed as stated in 379. The Roman Catholic church added the words "and the Son" (about 1:51 of this video). This was the cause of the rift between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholics.

[catholicpeter]

@LazaBrkonja Actually neither with or without filioque is the Nicene creed. It is much more simple.

[mhcampboy]

we read this in my anglican church too!!

[KabaneTheChristian]

I would have favorited this if not for the filioque. Oh well.

[hdiylove7]

Thanks.

[Iesu2012]

Gratiae exsisto ut deus Amen

[Pacisdiligo]

Lovely. The Creed is a very powerful, concise summation of the most important elements of the faith. God bless.

[kickfostermac]

Great job

[beejaysucka]

The Pope added the filioque (Latin for "and the son") and that's why Roman Catholics say "Holy Spirit .. proceeds from the father and the son.

Even though Jesus himself says it proceeds from the FATHER. John 15:26.

But hey .. this is a big reason for the Great Schism

[tonygmilan7]

"I will send from the Father."

The H.S proceeds FROM the Father THROUGH the Son

[beejaysucka]

Of course it will go through the Son.

But Jesus himself said " the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father"

If it proceeded from both of them I'm pretty sure he would have mentioned it. It can procced THROUGH somebody .. doesn't mean it proceeds FROM him.

[tonygmilan7]

so wheres the disagreement?

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[theasassyn]

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:(John 15:26).

But if the proceed from the Father is perfect,why is it necessary a secondary proceed?if the Holy Spirit already gains,with the proceed from Father the perfection?

Or you say that the proceed from the Father is not perfect?

So the conclusion would be: "Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father"...As the bible says.

[tonygmilan7]

the h.s proceeds FROM the father THROUGH the son.

he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

[JesusIsChrist777]

beautiful

[4asa]

This isnt the original,this is after the filoque heresy was added an insult to the Copt who wrote it and The Coptic church

[ryanmoreau]

What does "mass" mean?

eg The Nicene Creed, said at every "Mass"

is it gathering or something to that extend?

[jetboy33]

"Mass" is simply us Catholic's way of saying "Sunday Service" or "Going to church". The Mass is basically the service.

[plyrgheorghe]

Obviously, "Catholic" means "universal". Like "Orthodox" means "the right belief". What are you trying to prove? Catholicism and Orthodoxy only exist after 1054. Before that, they were the same religion, but they were separated because of political interests.

[JaeJGirl]

When the term 'Catholic,' was first used there was no seperation in the church. There was only one church; the church of God. 'Universal' or as it is also translated 'One church' simply means that we are all one church under God. It was only later after they seperated that it changed.

[4asa]

not really The oriental orthodox church (coptic,jeruselum,antioch) existed before constantine but it formely split in 451 ad due to a misundertsnading between the greeks and egyptians about the nature of christ

[minadabom1]

Greeks and Egyptians? i thought they were unified and that the council of Chalcedon was the problem. i am Coptic Orthodox, i don't study this a lot, but yea.. those are my views.

[4asa]

no,now only after recent theological dialogues they came to the conclusion that both churches used differnet terminology to describe the same thing as both churches called each other "heretics",however we r still not united because in order to lift the anthema a holy council will have to be attened by all bishops of both churches which has probelms of its own since the Coptic church hasnt attended a council since 451 AD and the Greek church since 1054 AD.

[lamarridley2]

It Is What We Are Taught As The Nicene Creed In The West If It Differs In The East I Was Unaware Of It.

[lamarridley2]

It Was Used Even Before Then The Bishop Of Antioch Refers To The CHURCH as Catholic In A Letter To Alexandria In 98 AD.

[lamarridley2]

Any Other Dates You Need Let Me Know,I Studied This In Seminary 1991 to 1995AD.

[lamarridley2]

This was not formulated by the Apostles, it was formulated at the First council of Nicea 325 and reformulated at the First council of Constantinople 381. It was in response to the Arian Heresy. Apostles creed,written by the Apostles, in response to the Gnostic heresy At the Council Of Jerusalem 49 AD.Before The Letters Of Paul 50 to 60 AD.

[foongabasthor]

The Nicene creed was designed by committee. Its too suspiciously precise.

[Angelwise11]

One of the earliest Christian prayers formulated by the apostles. Amen.

[mindlessnirvanaa]

This was not formulated by the Apostles, it was formulated at the First council of Nicea 325 and reformulated at the First council of Constantinople 381. It was in response to the Arian Heresy. Apostles creed, unknown, not for sure written by the Apostles, in response to the Gnostic heresy. Amen

[Angelwise11]

Church history is my next course of study, but were not they apostles at Nicea?

[lamarridley2]

About 60 Ad

[lamarridley2]

Accepted By All,60 ad.Written in 49AD.

[corpuschristi15]

AMEN!

[jonesledzep]

beautiful video.

[1Hope4All]

Amen!

Peace & Love in Christ.

Sandy

[sillypearl]

thank you for sharing this deeply meaningful video...I am Catholic.

5 stars

Have a nice day :o)

[anonymousgrl]

this is pretty cool. I'm Greek Orthodox, but reading this shows me how the orthodox and catholic churches are different. I'm best friends with a Catholic, too, btw. We've been friends for about 6-7 years. I wish all Christians could be that way. I mean, we all believe in the same thing don't we?

Once again, nice vid. ^_^

[markpaghi]

@anonymousgrl Yes Christians all believe the same thing. Not everyone is Christian - Many profess they are born again but Few Are.

[MLGMajorityFFA]

@anonymousgrl you do know orthodox people believe 100% in this creed?

[crusaders357]

Awesome!!!!

[MTovarez]

Thanks for your work on this. It is well done.

[phaedra528]

I love this...thanks