OK I know this isn't the most accurate film but at like 1:38 have the rebels set up a cross fire FACING each other? I'm no military genius but wouldn't they be risking shooting each other?
Considering this was a major part of Americas history I can't believe so many of you have literally no knowledge of this war.
Im not being an 'ass' or anything but some of you guys gotta remember that the US weren't saints either, need you be reminded that you are not the natives, or what you did to them?
This film is as realistic as Call Of Duty, the British were just trying to hold an Empire together, not all of them were as evil as they are depicted here. Still a good film ;)
@EliteDarknessScyther I think if you look at your history you will see the same thing. It seems like America is trying to build an empire of their own.
The basic plot is that a slave owner gets upset about a thing called freedom.
Totally ignoring his slaves on his plantation he sees british incursions into his rights as an insult and vows to fight to the death against the dastardly british. cue. roll!
What's lost on a lot of people is how much the American Revolution was really an English civil war, in many senses it was an extension of past English rebellions, mainly 1215 and 1649 a.d.. However the American revolt was unique in that it pitted Englishmen from North America (Washington, Adams, Franklin) against Englishmen from England. Hell as was stated by the Founding Fathers we were fighting "For the Rights of all Englishmen". If anything it should inspire those on both sides of the pond.
Nice one Mel, when is your next anti-british film? Stick to being arrested and making racist comments mate. It is what you are best at! God save the king.
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I Dont know?, Dear me, The British gave there blood and lives to save Americans from the attacks from the french, Dutch and spanish, aswell as Indians. England only asked for a little bit of tax to help pay for their, protection. Yanks took a strop, spat out thier dummy, Befriended Englands and Americas enemy, Stabbed Britain in the back. But thank you the loyalist Americans who moved north and became Canadians after the war.
To be honest, it's a bit rich for the Americans to say "u fukin tea drinkers we kicked your asses when you held us against our will". I'm not out to insult anyone, and the Empire wasn't an angel (what we did to the Tasmanians is an embarassment) but the film forgets conveniently that the Native Indians mostly sided with the British because they thought they'd lose their lands (prophetically).
I'm not having a dig, just don't tell us where to get off without knowing your own failings. Savvy?
I'm aware of all that, I did history. The point I'm trying to make is neither of our nations are innocent of killing for power. However, both sides during this war were relatively well behaved and neither was worse than the other at the time.
The Americans started the Native American genocide. After the war of 1812 Britain proposed a Native American nation west of the Mississippi
free from American control. The US refused and
embarked on a deliberate extermination of the Native American race after the Civil war. Why are you trying to blame the brits for your crimes against humanity?
The last people on earth that should start being self righteous are Americans. My God since you lot started building your empire quite a few people around the world have suffered and continue to suffer to keep you in your resource squandering lifestyles. If I were you I would just stick to watching your self deluded, ego mastubating hollywood films on how good you think you are. Everyone else is intelligent enough to see through your bunkum.
the brithish came and demanded that we let them in our homes, they killed people not loyal to them, and they stole from the colonists along with alot of other horrible things. Their not free from blame either.
sauf que vous avez oublier vos frères en nouvelle france on aurait pu les battres les rosbeef si vous aviez envoyer ces putains de renforts.En 1759, le général britannique James Wolfe et son armée assiégèrent pendant dix semaines la ville de Québec qui capitula après une célèbre bataille sur les plaines d'Abraham (durant laquelle Montcalm et Wolfe furent blessés mortellement).
Le printemps suivant, en 1760, il y eut une tentative de reconquête, alors que le général Lévis, fort dune nouvelle armée en provenance de Montréal, attaqua Québec. La dernière bataille ne fut pas décisive (259 hommes tués et 829 blessés du côté anglais, 193 tués et 640 blessés pour les troupes de Lévis). Les Anglais battirent en retraite vers la ville, laissant derrière eux les blessés.
Québec assiégée, Lévis croit que des navires en provenance de la France viendront leur donner du renfort. Ils ne viendront pas. Ce fut plutôt la flotte anglaise qui arriva avec plus de 18 000 hommes. Lévis leva le siège. Puis les Britanniques s'emparèrent de Montréal : la Nouvelle-France était conquise.
lmao the americans were greatly outnumbered and didnt have a formal army like the british, american forces were mostly bad up of militia like seen in this movie, citizens taking up arms to protect its country, they did what they new would work against a well trained and huge army
Wait i thought people wanted America out of foreign affairs RetardedPickle?? You seem young and don't see the big picture, America knows when its good for their welfare to enter a war. Don't get me wrong though we would fight alongside of Britain any day..
yes...a country is homosexual because you say so. thhis is hollywood, wouldnt happen in this thing normal people call reality. :l Watch more clips of this film with battles there bit more realistic, you know why i know this? because britain keep winning.
course you'll say that i'm a nasty Englishman..please..as far as Guerrilla tactics go I really liked it..same with taking no prisoners and shooting officers personally i'd have done the same. All i'm saying is it was a bit heavy handed with high end yankee overtones and slow motion flag waving scenes..but as a film? I enjoyed it.
I thought the film was rubbish for an historical thing but for a film..top class! (Yes I am English btw..NOT British as you all say) I think it takes a very low person to cling to one victory for ever..yeah the Americans beat us, big whoop..never forget where you come from (cough*pilgrims*cough) LOL..i've done a few good events as lobster and also in Nelsons navy. fact is if the French hadent of helped you, we'd have won..wonder how many 'thumbs down' I get ;-)
It took a few farmers to kick your fucking ass. Yet it took you a hundred years just to lose to a teenage girl in France, with no military training. Pussies.
No, it took a good American army and the French to kick our arse.
Don't forget it was OUR farmers who beat the creme' of French nobility on Agincourt..and the French had a good army btw, with good tactics. Oh we didnt lose either..where were you at Trafalgar? exactly mate. get out of your bubble.
Its actually very historically accurate. They took bits of different people to create benjamin martin. They last battle at the courthouse is also historically accurate. If you watch the extra on the dvd they explain it in alot more detail how they did it.
you ver dumb stuey we kicked you ass in the revelution then saved it twice so shut ur fucking mouth because we are your biggest allies so stop talking shit about the best country in the world, GOD BLESS THE USA
Well you can't spell very so how am I 'dumb'? Your no allies, you turned up late for the 1st one, only helped in the 2nd because Japan raped your pacific fleet.
bull fucking shit we raped the japs up the butt in the pacific then we fuckin nuked them, you would be speaking german right now if it wasnt for us. go drink some tea
I wish we were speaking German at least we wouldn't have to put up with your baby nation pretending to be the best and fucking up the world. Americans..some..are fine, your leaders are nothing. WE defeated the Luftwaffe, you did not..I'll say it again, i'd rather be speaking German than have the situation the worlds in now..defending freedom? yeah right. I'm not the biggest fan of tea but thank you..I will have some.
Wow thanks, surprised how many loyalists actually see this video lol. Good point's I see what you mean. Sad truth is not all us English are posh, which is good AND bad with up's and down's on either side. I like the comment below..your a smart person and glad your not taken in by the redneck attitude of flag waving and gun toting. at least we can all spell properly..and say 'you are or your' instead of 'ur' it's not big or clever silly people! Anyway..good stuff :) thanks.
Lol typical Yank attitude and so very wrong. French helped you win and without Britain you'd be speaking French so stfu. Also you didnt save our arses you saved your own and thanks for being late both times btw very noble of you to take all the glory. You wouldnt speak the same if you were affected by the war like Europe was. But of course your all too selfish to care, So w/e. Btw Britain entered war long before we had any part taken which USA should of done to, Shows whose better. :]
omfg... how fucking dare you, since 1939 we fought the axis forces while America Hid on other side of the world with no intention to help until they got bombed by japs, seirously wtf! and during invasion learn your history 5 parts of france invaded on d-day 2 by brits 2 by yanks 1 canadian. Then during invasion brits did just as much as america and we were involved in africa etc so shut your mouth you stupid little shite.
Yer Well we can thank the yanks for that, if you selfish arseholes joined war earlier Dunkirk would of never happened thus D-day wouldnt of happened because we'd of kept control of France therefore ending war quicker. But no, your selfishness led you to lose hundreds of men to storm the beaches as well as Britain and canada.
lmfao! your name says it all, we didnt join because we said after ww1 we were not going to get involved in european affairs, so we didnt... after the bombing on pearl harbor we supported the allies thus making the USA allies with gay ass france
...Very creative your first sentence because i've not heard that before. Wow you lot are some piece fo work. You refuse to join in with a war that would become your affair not just europes but you dont mind bombing the hell out of korea and vietnam even though that has nothing to do with you. oh yer and iraq. Hypocrite comes to mind.
after ww2 we seen what a corrupt dictator can do, so in north korea and north vietnam we stepped in to try and prevent the spread of dictatorship, AND USA and russia were at "war" and at the time russia (or USSR) was suppling north korea and north vietnam so we supported the south so they can have their freedom
OHHHH HOW KIND OF YOU, Shame your kindnesss didnt spread further back to when Europe, was needing such help. Oh dont mind the statistics of dead because of your selfish behaviour oh and the death toll in vietnam and korea for your such gallant actions -.-
lmfao, your are pretty fucking dumb arnt you? "OHHHH HOW KIND OF YOU" and "Shame your kindnesss" as if i made the fucking decision weather to go to war or not, we were in a cold war against USSR so we took the opposing side to show more might than USSR... and the death toll "i caused" would have been ALOT higher if someone didnt step in to protect the surrounding area, look at kim jong ill now, he is launching rockets and such to push buttons
Well You like to say 'We' refering to USA so i use you to represent it, so on the contrary 'You're pretty fucking dumb arn't you?' :] And exactly took words out my mouth, you had nothing to do with it, so stop bloody talking shit. Btw learn to spell. Eg. Whether. Bloody inbred Yanks.
"so stop bloody talking shit" lmfao you come on this page critizing americans for not joing a EUROPEAN war after WE said WE were not going to get involved in any more european affairs... and because u realise ur fucking dumb u talk shit about my spelling, FAIL
..Because i've already owned you now i have moved onto your pathetic spelling, and normally i wouldn't give a crap about spelling but when it comes to things like spelling 'whether' like 'weather' then thats just ignorant. Seriously stop commenting your boring me. Have a nice day.
Lol '5th grade' I'm English, don't have 'grades' and i'm done with school thank you very much o.O Learn your audience before you speak. Or in your case, speak shite.
Hahahahahaa i'm English you moron, which makes my opinion differ not of any other country of their feelings towards America as everyone fucking hates your country. So shut up you retard. ;l
Ya you talk on the other end of a computer but you know damn well America saved the worlds ass more then enough times, your just jealous England needed America to whip their ass.
You are a disgusting person just like thousands of other Yanks all you can say is who saved whose ass, and only because you waited till half way through the war to enter that it seemed like you helped. If you had any sense you'd of joined at begining thus there being no dunkirk meaning no d day meaning hundreds of lives would have been saved. Didn't think of that did you. -.-
Um i guess you dont know history thatmuch do you? Guess who saved England In the Battle Of Britain? America Did :D Know why? Didnt think so....Winston Church Hill said it himself, If America And Canada dont win the war in the Atlantic, we will lose, Who one? North America, Who saved whos ass? ....THats right :D
churchill was very ecstatic when japan attacked us and pulled us into the war.
u know i respect very deeply the english people during that time in history. the ace's are what saved the UK from surrendering. cause basically u were the only country left when the us entered.
- retarded pickle - america waited till half way through the war to join so it "SEEMED" like we helped? we did help and only 1 year after the war started idiot. the only reason we didnt join at first was because it wasnt our problem then. we thaught u could handle your own problem but u depended on our support. every time a dispute happens you cant expect america to join. we arent supposed to be the world police.
Thats pretty hypocritcal tbh. Think of Britain... It wasnt their problem when wa started cause it was in poland (other side of Germany)...but they joined because they had sense to know this war would spread across the world like the previous war did. and the fact that America seems to like going to korea and vietnam etc cos of reasons not to do with them seems to me like you are trying to police the world... altho to rest of worl your just sticking ur nose where its not wanted
The militia did more than just capture a handful of lopsterbacks, rob supply lines or just simply planted a nail in the British sides, they filled the gabs of alot of the Colonial army, or laid in ambush for those bright red lines to pass them.
interesting point here, the British invented rifling, yet in this war used smooth bore, the Americans used rifles, far more accurate and deadly. Why didn't the British? Weird. Another interesting point, the settlers were mostly English, fleeing persecution at home, their descendents were right to cut ties, that's the whole point of the settlers going there, I doubt the British soldiers even wanted to fight them, since they were basically of British descent. Blame George III and Lord North.
The whole thing about British descent is interetsing. A particular English officer actually wrote in his diaries that he consideed the American Revolution a Civil War of sorts. I do not agree. I think that the colonies had become so diverse, what with the Germans and French and what not, that the two entites were sufficiently different.
And actually, yes, to answer your question, it does matter. Since the United Sates is composed of former colonies, history towrads colonialism is taught differently here, thus swaying the people's views on the matter.
The Brittish used muskets because they prefered them to rifles for some reason.
There were some rifle corps and divisions such as the Rodgers Rangers but, alot of high ranking officers thought that musketeers were "real" soldiers.
The riflemen were usually used as skirmishers and as reconnisance especially during the Napolionic wars.
they preferred muskets because they took large shot which meant more damage to the enemy and most of all they could use their enemies ammunition but their enemies could never use theirs.
Is it just me or does Hollywood just love to re-write history so that basically everything that has ever gone wrong is the fault of the English? lol! Granted, we should have ceeded the Colonies but just didn't get round to it! Great film, although all this talk of Empire and Colonies is a little over the top... none of us have experienced either, and hopefully never will. We're all one big happy family so lets just chill out and have a massive group hug! ;-)
Yes your right. Another thing is that milita only stoped, looted and took some redcoats prisoner, not attack them. The only time milita fired at redcoats was when they fired back.
I have enjoyed the exchange between Caldwell1820 and Ben Smith,I feel like I have been eavesdropping on a private argument,but I hjave to take issue with the "sit there and endure"argument. American invovement was by no means guaranteed,only after Pearl Harbour and even then Germany declared war on the US. The endure makes it sound like some kind of inconvenience, the blitz killed a lot of people add on losses in the convoys and until El Alamein defeats abroad, not exactly just sitting there.
That wasn't meant as callously as it sounded. The only rebuttal I have to people, and it always seems to be English people, is to individuals who don't really want to give the States any credit. England stymied Hitler when they refused to break after repeated, intense bombing, so he gave up on them and attacked the U.S.S.R. England achieved its greatest successes in Africa and the Middle East, but there are some who would argue that that was done more or less on the basis of saving the British
Empire and less about the good of the world. I say, and still hold to my original thesis that it was American money and weaponry and Russian blood that saved the World from Hitler. American involvement was more guaranteed than you might think. Roosevelt, despite the fact that he wasn't open about it. Was slowly and surely preparing the Americans for war with either Japan or Germany. Even if Japan hadn't attacked, a confrontation with them would have been inevitable, and then Hitler could justly
have said that he was waging war on America because one of his allies had been attacked, not because they were the attacker. However, Americans have a remarkable quality about being really pissed off when our blood is up, and eventually either Japan or Germany would have made us this angry. America was coming one way or the other, and it wouldn't have fought one without fighting the other.
Sorry to bang on, but if Britain had not hung on in 40/41, and yes it was hanging on where would the Americans have invaded from? Across the Atlantic, the English Channel proved difficult enough.
No one disputes that. If you read my posts, I never belittled England's ednurance or her people's suffering. As far as the British Empire goes, I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of American intervention in other aspects of world affairs either, though, so it's not just ya'll. I understand England's suffering and her heroism during those dark days. But all I've een seeing recently is people (primarily English people belittling Americans on here. You get a little tired of it.
I don't mean to tweek John Bull's nose, but when you're a former colony, or group of colonies, you see history a little differently as far as Empires go, but that's a totally different can of worms all together, isn't it?
For what little it is worth, Iam of mixed Scottish Irish and English ancestry, probably like alot of English people. Needless to say the attempts of the Scots to blame the English or the Irish to blame the Scots or the English leave me cold .Both sets of grandparents were out and out working class people, on my mothers side as poor as church mice. Please do not think everyone profited from the Empire, if they,"the bosses" could exploit them abroad they would do at home too.
Well it may surprise you to know I can understand that.Although perhaps you should try reading posts by google14, an American who belittles just about everyone else, plus his spelling is atrocious!
Fair enough to the general gist of your argument.Stalin always argued that the Britsh brought time the Americans money but Russia paid in blood. [I despise Communism incidentally]Whatever you think of the British Empire I doubt if we could have held on in WW2 without it. Effectively it was sacrificed to defeat a far greater evil, Nazi Germany. All credit to the post war government of Atlee for granting independence to former colonies like India[unlike France who tried to hang on to Indochina]
typical bristish ideals thinking you are the best and you didnt need are help who do you think maid your weapons and bullets tanks planes we did we usd the profits to fund are production to get ready for war do you think we were asleep we were ready we built japan and dont say we didnt they were backward till we came to help and what they did was stupid the pissed off there big bro and true a united front won the war but not with out americas intevention would the war have been won
american also funeded the germans during the war u thick shit thsat was until we stopped germanys invasion into britain and that put them on the back foot then america jumped on our bandwagon.
Excuse me? Since Hitler never tried to invade Britain (only bomb them into submission), you didn't repel anything. All you really did was just kind of sit there and endure while America got ready to come help you. England suffered a good deal, but I suggest you get over the inferiority complex. ALso, America didn't aid Germany as much as you think. That was actually more World War One. Roosevelt and most Americans were ardently Anti-Nazi.
First of all, Caldwell, I am not your mate, and second of all, how dare an Englishman lecture anyone else on arogance. By the way, I am a history major. Yes, I know that movies like Braveheart and the patior are stupid, but I also know that Americans are better than you give them credit for. You, sir, have an overwhelming sense of smugness. Typical American response, huh? I am not an English hater. I dont even dislike YOU. By the way, how can 99.99% of all Americans claim Irish or Scottish
I hit the reply button too early that time. Anyway, I am well aware that other nations took part in World War Two. Yes, shocker here, I am also well aware that there are other countires besides the U.S. Do you have some chip on your shoulder towards Americans. Because you accuse me of being an English hater (as if you people were important enough in world affairs any more to still draw hatred), and all you seem to do is spit American stereotypes at me here. What if I spat stereotypes at you?
WHat if I said, for example, get those teeth fixed, or maybe, sober up. I apologize if a few of my fellow countrymen have offended you, but you clearly show your own prejudices when you accuse us of teering up at St. Paddy's (an ethnic slur by the way) Day. As far as the Brave Heart reference, I don't buy into cheap sentamentality or breast beating patriotism. I know that movie was made (like all of the Jew-hating Gibson movies) to package and sell on patriotic hollidays. I understand full well
that the Scots had asked Edward to arbitrate their little royal disagreement, and that as a reward for his efforts Edward claimed Suzerainity in Scotland in case of war ( which he was then fighting with France I believe). I also know that the English invaded Ireland at the behest of an ousted Irish nobleman who wanted revenge on his political enemies. So, England wasn't really to blame either there or in previoud episodes. No, what really annoys me is that all I ever see on here are people from
countries on here writing about how fat and lazy Americans are and how arrogant we are. I am also tired of everyone thinking that all Americans support Bush (another stupid assumption), and that we are all ignorant cowboys rasied on Hollywood. The world may owe John Bull a lot, and I am not saying that it doesn't, but it atleast owes America nearly as much. I do recognize the fact that the British kept the faith while having the day lights bombed out of them by that fat ass Hermann Goering, and
that they shed just as much of their own blood as other countries did, but you also have to understand that I am just as proud of my nation's involvment in stopping Evil as you are in yours. Did America win the war single handidly. Of course not. However, what would have happened if we hadn't gotten involved at all? Churchill said it best when he said that everything weloved would fall into darkness. And could you blame America for not wanting to take on another war in Europe?
I mean the second World War was kind of Europe's fault. If you people hand't been so damned hard on Germany (I know it was their fault) then Hitler wouldn't have had any reason to be so pissed off thirty years later. Wilson tried to make you people see that, and you blew him off. In a way, Americans saw it as Europe's fault that it was in the shape it was in, and they kinda had a point. America has done a lot to engender dislike, but we've also done a good deal to be proud of.
lol Ben I know your not my mate, if you knew anything about England and our language youd know I never meant it that way. A Major in History! Then you should learn to be more objective and view history in a colder light (leave emotions or suppose heritage out of it). Your vision of Britain, its people and its history is blinkered and your ridiculous statement of 'Ive got Irish/Scot blood' means you have any right to feel animosity towards us, sadly DOES make you the classic Irish/Scot American.
Also your comment that I was responsible for an Ethnic slur about Irish Americans weeping on St Pats days shows to me that you are perhaps too sensitive, and need to toughen up a little! I'll tell my dad about my ethnic slur....he'll laugh im sure! Oh by the way, yes we do have bad teeth and are generally partial to the odd beer, for me personally, more than one. We're not too proud to admit it! And to clarify 99.99% of Irish/Scot Americans (I thought that was Obvious?).
My dislike 'as stated' is for American idiots who, as you are aware seem to plague the internet and constantly claim we won WW2 and saved our limey arses. No I feel the USA has its place and rightly must be given credit for some great achievements but like my nations failings its responsible for some awful legacies. I have American friends and love their quirks and nature. Oh but using your immature analogy I should hold no love for them because of my English blood and 200+ year old war, Grow up
To finalise, I can assure you I'm no American Hater, which means your venom is misdirected. Please show me where I belittle the States? Where I lecture on your failings? Where I elevate my nation above yours? Like your original posts! No you come on and essay us on YOUR negative vision of Britain and end up looking like the thing you say you despise, an arrogant, smug, boastful American!
If you didn't say those things, I apologize. I actually don't have anything against Britain. It's really more against people who dislike Americans for all the wrong reasons. The crack about teeth wasn't at you. It was rally meant more as an example of stupid stereotypes. I like beer myself. I go to church with this woman from Liverpool, and she is the nicest old lady I've ever met, so I'm not really anti-English. Maybe it wasn't you, but I only caught the negative aspects of your post.
I actually liked debating with you, though, and I want to come see England some day. I want to see Trafalgar Square and maybe the Tower of London. In case you can't tell, I'm an ardent Churchill admirer. I think the man made more beautiful speeches than our own Abraham Lincoln. I've also always sort of liked Desraeli and, of course, Edmund Burke (spelling?). But, no, any literate American can't fail to see that movies like the Patriot are silly, patriotic twaddle. Oh, by the way, wasn't it
Like me, my only problem is with people ill informed on historical matters, and who target my nations history because they feel they should dislike us. So in the long run I suppose we are not too dissimilar in attitude.
Edward I: Yes, well it wasn't a war as such. More a squabble over French land. Its during the squabble that the Scots rebelled!
Well, that stands to reason. The jury on William Wallace is still out. Was he a hero or a brigand? The movie, clap-trap, makes him out to be a selfless hero guided by patriotism and lost love. Few people in history are ever that goodie-goodie. The same thing goes for Banastre Tarleton during the American Revolution. Was he an English patriot, or a terrorist?
As for Hitler was defeated by American money and Russian blood is particially true I admit, but dont forget the huge number of nations that gave their young to defeating Germany too across the world (yes theres a world out there, not just America). There is of course Germany itself, Hitler's strategy itself defeated Germany too. So please dont be deluded by some air of moral superiority, or you'll end up sounding like the idiots on here.
You joined because you had too, it was an act self preservation! Japan unchecked in the East and a Germany in control of the whole of Europe in the west.... who'd do you think may have been next. Or would you have collaborated in Nazism? Who knows how history would have been formed had you not joined?
Your other points, boy have you got a problem with England. Though typically you confuse both England and Great Britain, and cherry pick your hatred. "I have Irish and Scottish blood, thats why I hate the English" yawn, a typical American response. Never just American, no you guys yearn for heritage and belonging. Its sad that you guys go misty eyed on St Pats & St Andrews day, when 99.99% of you have never even been to your beloved motherlands, and you'd get a shock if you did.
Guess what Ben Smith (fine English name) my Fathers Irish but I am English, and am as proud of being English as that of my Irish family, I find it best not to pick sides but only pick the positives. I am also intrigued why you think its your right to hate the English because of Irish or Scottish blood? As an American I doubt you even appreciate the complex nature of our little island.
Oh you might have seen a few movies 'Braveheart, Michael Collins" but I bet you cannot even fathom the start of the conflicts or its history. Read up on it, then get back to me, I'll be here, waiting!
Now I dont want to get to heavy on you or the fact that your appear a, now what is it a British or English hater, I dont think you know... yes I'll admit the British Empire had a huge amount of Blood on its hands. Any fool who stands on the moral high ground and says different is an idiot. ALL Empires are built on BLOOD! But again on the positives, our 'Brand' of civilisation brought some good to the world too.
Roman history is often held up nowadays as a high point in History, they brought roads, sanitation, the written word and many more things to the darker reaches of Europe, but on the darkside they brought death, slavery and misery to some too. The price of being an Empire!To conclude Ben, get over your delusion of the USA saving our arses, and grow up when it comes to hating the English. You need to read more history mate!
To the people on here who act as though America is the only nation that has any blood on its hands, how did all those little Irish children starve to death? Hmm? What about the Boer war? You know full well that every nation writes its own myths and legends. This movie was crap, and I'll give you that, but Britain has no right to crow about its own moral goodness. Let's see, during World War One, you enacted a blockade that was less than three miles from the coast Germany got its supplies from,
a clear cut violation of international law. Let's continue. I am sure Ghandi threw himself off the train, right? So England has nothing to worry about as far as Civil Rights go, huh? You had better be damned glad America came to your aid at all in both wars, forget the fact that they were late. We could have let you be Hitler's bitch. Now, wouldn't that have been amusing? "Victory was achieved by allied strength and partnership.." typical English repsonse.
Lets see what else is wrong with Englad, shall we? I see British people lambast Americans all the time about our race problems. May I ask you this? Do you still have Lords in England. And those "Lords" enjoy a higher rank in society than the average Briton, don't they? So, it's ok to be classicist so long as you're not racist, right? I am of Scottish and Irish heritage. I have no love for you people, and I know that England has just as much blood on its hands as any other nation.
You don't have to worry about me singing "Rule Britannia" any time soon. Also, I'll leave you with a parting shot here. England's history is a history written in every bit as much blood as Americans. We have to remember that when the Europeans came to North America and subdued the Natives or brought slaves to the colonies, they weren't doing it in the name of America or liberty, now where they. That's right they weren't. God save the Queen indeed.
.. the entire network of American society is one great falsehood from beginning to end..In their celebrated Declaration of Independence they made the loudest assertion of the rights of man yet at that time the identical men .. were trafficking in the blood and souls of their fellow men..everything ..has been summoned to defend this great lie ..no nation ..can exhibit a statute book that is cruel malicous and infernal as the US code of laws. Every page is red with the blood of the American slave
This is just a film clip what's with all the bickering ? The thirteen colonies were British and were inhabited by people mainly of British stock (immigrants), these people rebelled against British taxation -history -yes American history is part of British history as is Canada, Australia, South Africa etc so get over it !
lolol the classic American response... late in both wars, the first was a token effort on your part. The second was the final realisation that your arse was on the line. We stood alone why you got fat on war profits. Then the Japs took a swing at you. Shit you thought, we have to join now to save our skins!!!
Victory was achieved by allied combined strength and partnership, not American involvement alone.
What you must understand is that it was American money and Russian blood that finally defeated Hitler. What exactly did England contribute? More than 50 billion dollars was issued during the lend lease program when Churchill begged Roosevelt for help because England was basically destitute,and all Churchill had was pretty speeches, and Britain only paid back about 8 billion of it. Thus, we didn't get fat off war profits. You're thinking about World War One. You Limeys did better in that one.
Thanks for your response Ben, I do feel you need to get over this 'Brits hate all yanks' crap....for me what I hate is this arrogant we won WW2 sh*t that keeps coming out from across the pond. Note it never comes from vets, only kids brought up on hollywood history. You too are deluded by this feeling of we owe you TOTAL gratitude. You did your bit, admittedly, you were late but you joined in time to save Europe and yourselves.
british patriot u can belive what u want but ur false man there was more americans than that and let me tell u somthing u rember this how man battels did u win using american tanks and american maid products u would of lost the war and afica if not for us we did more in the war than any other nation lets not forget we fought on two fronts one alone i kno it wasnt until pearl harbor thats becuase americas not dumb we dont get into european shit witch btw almost everything starts over there
fuck britain you are the biggest bitches in the world you always picked on the little guy you fucked with the scotts and william wallace fucked youu up you fucked with the irish michael collins fucked you up you fucked with the colonies and they fucked you your people are ruthless bastards who have the audacity to call themselves civilized you killed, robbed, and rapped MILLIONS of scottish, irish, and countless others. the saying the sun no long sets on the british empire is no longer true!
To AmericatheStron you fucked with Vietnam, I think it is fair to say that despite carpet bombing using napalm and Agent Orange they well and truly fucked you up
The british got their asses kicked by farmers and the french. HAHAHAH!
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ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 10 months ago
OK I know this isn't the most accurate film but at like 1:38 have the rebels set up a cross fire FACING each other? I'm no military genius but wouldn't they be risking shooting each other?
danhodg1 10 months ago
Considering this was a major part of Americas history I can't believe so many of you have literally no knowledge of this war.
Im not being an 'ass' or anything but some of you guys gotta remember that the US weren't saints either, need you be reminded that you are not the natives, or what you did to them?
This film is as realistic as Call Of Duty, the British were just trying to hold an Empire together, not all of them were as evil as they are depicted here. Still a good film ;)
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger Actually uh yeah, they were little bastards with horns. I'm not saying we were saints either but the British were fucking demons.
EliteDarknessScyther 1 year ago
@EliteDarknessScyther I think if you look at your history you will see the same thing. It seems like America is trying to build an empire of their own.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
The basic plot is that a slave owner gets upset about a thing called freedom.
Totally ignoring his slaves on his plantation he sees british incursions into his rights as an insult and vows to fight to the death against the dastardly british. cue. roll!
zenoist2 1 year ago
I love this movie, of course historically its not accurate but its still a great movie.
J3rEmY17 1 year ago
What's lost on a lot of people is how much the American Revolution was really an English civil war, in many senses it was an extension of past English rebellions, mainly 1215 and 1649 a.d.. However the American revolt was unique in that it pitted Englishmen from North America (Washington, Adams, Franklin) against Englishmen from England. Hell as was stated by the Founding Fathers we were fighting "For the Rights of all Englishmen". If anything it should inspire those on both sides of the pond.
gil435345345345 1 year ago
WOAH WOAH HE SHOT THE CO WAR CRIME WAR CRIME
cooldogcool51 1 year ago
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” — Thomas Jefferson
bkekss 1 year ago
Nice one Mel, when is your next anti-british film? Stick to being arrested and making racist comments mate. It is what you are best at! God save the king.
planetrockford 1 year ago
live free, or die.
Cuthburt1232007 1 year ago
War is not pretty, and freedom is not free.
murphym1776 1 year ago
esta muy bien esta pelicula se la recomiendo a todos
gonesparta 2 years ago
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I Dont know?, Dear me, The British gave there blood and lives to save Americans from the attacks from the french, Dutch and spanish, aswell as Indians. England only asked for a little bit of tax to help pay for their, protection. Yanks took a strop, spat out thier dummy, Befriended Englands and Americas enemy, Stabbed Britain in the back. But thank you the loyalist Americans who moved north and became Canadians after the war.
ziggy6848 2 years ago
what song is this it is amazing
NRAGOAL 2 years ago
Does anyone know the actor who plays the young soldier they keep showing at 0:52, 0:55, etc. Not a single line, but he says so much with his face.
viennashade 1 year ago
epic .
MrMunch321 2 years ago
is so unrelistic man
dumgum222 2 years ago
Actually its pretty accurate to how the americans fought back during the AR
SiegXD 2 years ago
how is it accurate u silly little man
KILLERMAnti 2 years ago
wat vid maker u used
runeddeath 2 years ago
Us Americans forget we aren't the most perfect country in the world. Our history isn't all honor and glory we have our own demons.
Wolflord13 2 years ago 7
i do agree with tat i just think about the horrors we done in past wars
runeddeath 2 years ago
To be honest, it's a bit rich for the Americans to say "u fukin tea drinkers we kicked your asses when you held us against our will". I'm not out to insult anyone, and the Empire wasn't an angel (what we did to the Tasmanians is an embarassment) but the film forgets conveniently that the Native Indians mostly sided with the British because they thought they'd lose their lands (prophetically).
I'm not having a dig, just don't tell us where to get off without knowing your own failings. Savvy?
390904902 2 years ago 5
dont forget about how u treated the
indians. (india) and what alot of people forget about. the british sailed right into china and demanded to take part in the
opium trade, even when china was trying to fix its problems with opium the british forced the trade to continue.
i mean hong kong was only given back to china in what, like 1990?
cards7509 2 years ago 5
I'm aware of all that, I did history. The point I'm trying to make is neither of our nations are innocent of killing for power. However, both sides during this war were relatively well behaved and neither was worse than the other at the time.
You understand what I'm trying to say here?
390904902 2 years ago
The Americans started the Native American genocide. After the war of 1812 Britain proposed a Native American nation west of the Mississippi
free from American control. The US refused and
embarked on a deliberate extermination of the Native American race after the Civil war. Why are you trying to blame the brits for your crimes against humanity?
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
hey like i said the british empire has done lots of bad things to this world.
hell what did a once famous writer once say.
"the sun never sets on the british empire"
just look at all the shit u caused india.
cards7509 2 years ago 4
The last people on earth that should start being self righteous are Americans. My God since you lot started building your empire quite a few people around the world have suffered and continue to suffer to keep you in your resource squandering lifestyles. If I were you I would just stick to watching your self deluded, ego mastubating hollywood films on how good you think you are. Everyone else is intelligent enough to see through your bunkum.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
every one just hates the most powerful nation, we could crush England if we wanted to.
AnakinObiwan22 2 years ago 2
the brithish came and demanded that we let them in our homes, they killed people not loyal to them, and they stole from the colonists along with alot of other horrible things. Their not free from blame either.
AnakinObiwan22 2 years ago 4
@390904902 The Native Americans hated us anyhow. They would set up camps over the hills and launch attacks on us.
Southern661 1 year ago
vous pouvez dire merci la france
blanc69800 2 years ago 3
sauf que vous avez oublier vos frères en nouvelle france on aurait pu les battres les rosbeef si vous aviez envoyer ces putains de renforts.En 1759, le général britannique James Wolfe et son armée assiégèrent pendant dix semaines la ville de Québec qui capitula après une célèbre bataille sur les plaines d'Abraham (durant laquelle Montcalm et Wolfe furent blessés mortellement).
humanaredumb12 2 years ago
Le printemps suivant, en 1760, il y eut une tentative de reconquête, alors que le général Lévis, fort dune nouvelle armée en provenance de Montréal, attaqua Québec. La dernière bataille ne fut pas décisive (259 hommes tués et 829 blessés du côté anglais, 193 tués et 640 blessés pour les troupes de Lévis). Les Anglais battirent en retraite vers la ville, laissant derrière eux les blessés.
humanaredumb12 2 years ago
Québec assiégée, Lévis croit que des navires en provenance de la France viendront leur donner du renfort. Ils ne viendront pas. Ce fut plutôt la flotte anglaise qui arriva avec plus de 18 000 hommes. Lévis leva le siège. Puis les Britanniques s'emparèrent de Montréal : la Nouvelle-France était conquise.
humanaredumb12 2 years ago
French're the best
182Gugu 2 years ago
shut of fuck up guys. Nobody cares if one of you two gets humiliated online.
daivuk 2 years ago
lmao the americans were greatly outnumbered and didnt have a formal army like the british, american forces were mostly bad up of militia like seen in this movie, citizens taking up arms to protect its country, they did what they new would work against a well trained and huge army
A10pilot617 2 years ago
Wait i thought people wanted America out of foreign affairs RetardedPickle?? You seem young and don't see the big picture, America knows when its good for their welfare to enter a war. Don't get me wrong though we would fight alongside of Britain any day..
Sporty8842 2 years ago
england is gay as u can see by this video
MaickDawg 2 years ago
yes...a country is homosexual because you say so. thhis is hollywood, wouldnt happen in this thing normal people call reality. :l Watch more clips of this film with battles there bit more realistic, you know why i know this? because britain keep winning.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
The farther of the atom bomb was alas born and brought up in my village, Bollington Cheshire! England again i feel!
doberman1971 2 years ago
Any one can fire a gun in a forest and hope for the best! Face the British army in the field, and you will see the outcome! DEFEAT!
doberman1971 2 years ago 2
Well said.
StueyLestrange 2 years ago
course you'll say that i'm a nasty Englishman..please..as far as Guerrilla tactics go I really liked it..same with taking no prisoners and shooting officers personally i'd have done the same. All i'm saying is it was a bit heavy handed with high end yankee overtones and slow motion flag waving scenes..but as a film? I enjoyed it.
StueyLestrange 2 years ago
This is the best war movie i ever saw! very realistic... historically good
cda151 2 years ago
I thought the film was rubbish for an historical thing but for a film..top class! (Yes I am English btw..NOT British as you all say) I think it takes a very low person to cling to one victory for ever..yeah the Americans beat us, big whoop..never forget where you come from (cough*pilgrims*cough) LOL..i've done a few good events as lobster and also in Nelsons navy. fact is if the French hadent of helped you, we'd have won..wonder how many 'thumbs down' I get ;-)
StueyLestrange 3 years ago
It took a few farmers to kick your fucking ass. Yet it took you a hundred years just to lose to a teenage girl in France, with no military training. Pussies.
Steak514 3 years ago
No, it took a good American army and the French to kick our arse.
Don't forget it was OUR farmers who beat the creme' of French nobility on Agincourt..and the French had a good army btw, with good tactics. Oh we didnt lose either..where were you at Trafalgar? exactly mate. get out of your bubble.
StueyLestrange 3 years ago
Its actually very historically accurate. They took bits of different people to create benjamin martin. They last battle at the courthouse is also historically accurate. If you watch the extra on the dvd they explain it in alot more detail how they did it.
nickl50 2 years ago
you ver dumb stuey we kicked you ass in the revelution then saved it twice so shut ur fucking mouth because we are your biggest allies so stop talking shit about the best country in the world, GOD BLESS THE USA
yeaaIMhot 2 years ago
Well you can't spell very so how am I 'dumb'? Your no allies, you turned up late for the 1st one, only helped in the 2nd because Japan raped your pacific fleet.
Go fist yourself yankee.
StueyLestrange 2 years ago
bull fucking shit we raped the japs up the butt in the pacific then we fuckin nuked them, you would be speaking german right now if it wasnt for us. go drink some tea
yeaaIMhot 2 years ago
I wish we were speaking German at least we wouldn't have to put up with your baby nation pretending to be the best and fucking up the world. Americans..some..are fine, your leaders are nothing. WE defeated the Luftwaffe, you did not..I'll say it again, i'd rather be speaking German than have the situation the worlds in now..defending freedom? yeah right. I'm not the biggest fan of tea but thank you..I will have some.
StueyLestrange 2 years ago
Well rather tea than lots of Fast food :]
Seriously they make it an insult but i woulds rather be posh Englishman than a fat unintellectual Yank.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
Wow thanks, surprised how many loyalists actually see this video lol. Good point's I see what you mean. Sad truth is not all us English are posh, which is good AND bad with up's and down's on either side. I like the comment below..your a smart person and glad your not taken in by the redneck attitude of flag waving and gun toting. at least we can all spell properly..and say 'you are or your' instead of 'ur' it's not big or clever silly people! Anyway..good stuff :) thanks.
StueyLestrange 2 years ago
Why would i be, I'm English.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
Lol typical Yank attitude and so very wrong. French helped you win and without Britain you'd be speaking French so stfu. Also you didnt save our arses you saved your own and thanks for being late both times btw very noble of you to take all the glory. You wouldnt speak the same if you were affected by the war like Europe was. But of course your all too selfish to care, So w/e. Btw Britain entered war long before we had any part taken which USA should of done to, Shows whose better. :]
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
haha we did save ur ass, u just hid on ur island being pussies while we took back france.
yeaaIMhot 2 years ago
omfg... how fucking dare you, since 1939 we fought the axis forces while America Hid on other side of the world with no intention to help until they got bombed by japs, seirously wtf! and during invasion learn your history 5 parts of france invaded on d-day 2 by brits 2 by yanks 1 canadian. Then during invasion brits did just as much as america and we were involved in africa etc so shut your mouth you stupid little shite.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
actually the Germans destroyed an American Navy ship =/ do YOUR history...
EmperorJimmu 2 years ago
OHHHH NOOOO A SHIP!!!! ...How about a whole country? Go fucking learn value of life you stupid twat.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
the french was under german control when d-day occured, france didnt do shit.
A10pilot617 2 years ago
Yer Well we can thank the yanks for that, if you selfish arseholes joined war earlier Dunkirk would of never happened thus D-day wouldnt of happened because we'd of kept control of France therefore ending war quicker. But no, your selfishness led you to lose hundreds of men to storm the beaches as well as Britain and canada.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
lmfao! your name says it all, we didnt join because we said after ww1 we were not going to get involved in european affairs, so we didnt... after the bombing on pearl harbor we supported the allies thus making the USA allies with gay ass france
A10pilot617 2 years ago
...Very creative your first sentence because i've not heard that before. Wow you lot are some piece fo work. You refuse to join in with a war that would become your affair not just europes but you dont mind bombing the hell out of korea and vietnam even though that has nothing to do with you. oh yer and iraq. Hypocrite comes to mind.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
after ww2 we seen what a corrupt dictator can do, so in north korea and north vietnam we stepped in to try and prevent the spread of dictatorship, AND USA and russia were at "war" and at the time russia (or USSR) was suppling north korea and north vietnam so we supported the south so they can have their freedom
A10pilot617 2 years ago
OHHHH HOW KIND OF YOU, Shame your kindnesss didnt spread further back to when Europe, was needing such help. Oh dont mind the statistics of dead because of your selfish behaviour oh and the death toll in vietnam and korea for your such gallant actions -.-
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
lmfao, your are pretty fucking dumb arnt you? "OHHHH HOW KIND OF YOU" and "Shame your kindnesss" as if i made the fucking decision weather to go to war or not, we were in a cold war against USSR so we took the opposing side to show more might than USSR... and the death toll "i caused" would have been ALOT higher if someone didnt step in to protect the surrounding area, look at kim jong ill now, he is launching rockets and such to push buttons
A10pilot617 2 years ago
Well You like to say 'We' refering to USA so i use you to represent it, so on the contrary 'You're pretty fucking dumb arn't you?' :] And exactly took words out my mouth, you had nothing to do with it, so stop bloody talking shit. Btw learn to spell. Eg. Whether. Bloody inbred Yanks.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
"so stop bloody talking shit" lmfao you come on this page critizing americans for not joing a EUROPEAN war after WE said WE were not going to get involved in any more european affairs... and because u realise ur fucking dumb u talk shit about my spelling, FAIL
A10pilot617 2 years ago
..Because i've already owned you now i have moved onto your pathetic spelling, and normally i wouldn't give a crap about spelling but when it comes to things like spelling 'whether' like 'weather' then thats just ignorant. Seriously stop commenting your boring me. Have a nice day.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
good try... hit me up when u pass 5th grade history
A10pilot617 2 years ago
Lol '5th grade' I'm English, don't have 'grades' and i'm done with school thank you very much o.O Learn your audience before you speak. Or in your case, speak shite.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
lmfao you sound so fucking dumb! "im done with school thank you very much"... i really honestly hopeyour kidding
A10pilot617 2 years ago
Your a fucking idiot buddy, a fucking idiot. You are a anti american prick and deserve to be hung you damn terrorist
birdman631 2 years ago
Hahahahahaa i'm English you moron, which makes my opinion differ not of any other country of their feelings towards America as everyone fucking hates your country. So shut up you retard. ;l
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
Ya you talk on the other end of a computer but you know damn well America saved the worlds ass more then enough times, your just jealous England needed America to whip their ass.
birdman631 2 years ago
You are a disgusting person just like thousands of other Yanks all you can say is who saved whose ass, and only because you waited till half way through the war to enter that it seemed like you helped. If you had any sense you'd of joined at begining thus there being no dunkirk meaning no d day meaning hundreds of lives would have been saved. Didn't think of that did you. -.-
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
Um i guess you dont know history thatmuch do you? Guess who saved England In the Battle Of Britain? America Did :D Know why? Didnt think so....Winston Church Hill said it himself, If America And Canada dont win the war in the Atlantic, we will lose, Who one? North America, Who saved whos ass? ....THats right :D
birdman631 2 years ago
Lol! Wow i really have so many things i could say if i didn't have to run for a train right now, just no all i can ...just no. ;l
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
churchill was very ecstatic when japan attacked us and pulled us into the war.
u know i respect very deeply the english people during that time in history. the ace's are what saved the UK from surrendering. cause basically u were the only country left when the us entered.
cards7509 2 years ago 3
- retarded pickle - america waited till half way through the war to join so it "SEEMED" like we helped? we did help and only 1 year after the war started idiot. the only reason we didnt join at first was because it wasnt our problem then. we thaught u could handle your own problem but u depended on our support. every time a dispute happens you cant expect america to join. we arent supposed to be the world police.
Drummerboy35247 2 years ago
Thats pretty hypocritcal tbh. Think of Britain... It wasnt their problem when wa started cause it was in poland (other side of Germany)...but they joined because they had sense to know this war would spread across the world like the previous war did. and the fact that America seems to like going to korea and vietnam etc cos of reasons not to do with them seems to me like you are trying to police the world... altho to rest of worl your just sticking ur nose where its not wanted
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
The militia did more than just capture a handful of lopsterbacks, rob supply lines or just simply planted a nail in the British sides, they filled the gabs of alot of the Colonial army, or laid in ambush for those bright red lines to pass them.
CameraGamer 3 years ago
the song rocks!!! and the movie is oke :p
dikkenerd100 3 years ago
looking for friends
lets chat KN
AllendeJuarez 3 years ago 2
2:39 was funny.. hahahahaha!!! the british like.. dont kill me....
yuzon09 3 years ago
you can use fraps on itunes movies, shows..ect
i looked on itunes for this movie but couldn't find it :(
NYYankees4185 3 years ago
you didnt show any scenes of the americans retreating
umakeiwatch 3 years ago
you retard!!! do you know how powerful that can be!
liz9915 3 years ago
Keep This Movie Original No Metal Damn It!.
damone87 3 years ago
interesting point here, the British invented rifling, yet in this war used smooth bore, the Americans used rifles, far more accurate and deadly. Why didn't the British? Weird. Another interesting point, the settlers were mostly English, fleeing persecution at home, their descendents were right to cut ties, that's the whole point of the settlers going there, I doubt the British soldiers even wanted to fight them, since they were basically of British descent. Blame George III and Lord North.
patroklos10000 3 years ago
The whole thing about British descent is interetsing. A particular English officer actually wrote in his diaries that he consideed the American Revolution a Civil War of sorts. I do not agree. I think that the colonies had become so diverse, what with the Germans and French and what not, that the two entites were sufficiently different.
bensmith86 3 years ago
And actually, yes, to answer your question, it does matter. Since the United Sates is composed of former colonies, history towrads colonialism is taught differently here, thus swaying the people's views on the matter.
bensmith86 3 years ago
i thought the prussians invented rifling? cause werent they really ahead in that sort of thing during that time?
socafreek 3 years ago
The Brittish used muskets because they prefered them to rifles for some reason.
There were some rifle corps and divisions such as the Rodgers Rangers but, alot of high ranking officers thought that musketeers were "real" soldiers.
The riflemen were usually used as skirmishers and as reconnisance especially during the Napolionic wars.
GazzaM2008 3 years ago
they preferred muskets because they took large shot which meant more damage to the enemy and most of all they could use their enemies ammunition but their enemies could never use theirs.
hnorthca 3 years ago
Is it just me or does Hollywood just love to re-write history so that basically everything that has ever gone wrong is the fault of the English? lol! Granted, we should have ceeded the Colonies but just didn't get round to it! Great film, although all this talk of Empire and Colonies is a little over the top... none of us have experienced either, and hopefully never will. We're all one big happy family so lets just chill out and have a massive group hug! ;-)
patroklos10000 3 years ago
Damn yanks
BNMMVII 3 years ago
Yes your right. Another thing is that milita only stoped, looted and took some redcoats prisoner, not attack them. The only time milita fired at redcoats was when they fired back.
gunitsean 3 years ago
we're still in debt to the rothschilds in london
dustynapalm 3 years ago
The music was fuck-awful.
The Patriot is a great film.
Bangell99 3 years ago
Terrible music....just TERRIBLE!!!
Isthisthelongestname 3 years ago 2
tbh if the bismarck hadnt been sunk by the british we were fucked so tbh we also won the war
gangsterbraap123 3 years ago
I have enjoyed the exchange between Caldwell1820 and Ben Smith,I feel like I have been eavesdropping on a private argument,but I hjave to take issue with the "sit there and endure"argument. American invovement was by no means guaranteed,only after Pearl Harbour and even then Germany declared war on the US. The endure makes it sound like some kind of inconvenience, the blitz killed a lot of people add on losses in the convoys and until El Alamein defeats abroad, not exactly just sitting there.
BolrogoftheNorth 3 years ago
That wasn't meant as callously as it sounded. The only rebuttal I have to people, and it always seems to be English people, is to individuals who don't really want to give the States any credit. England stymied Hitler when they refused to break after repeated, intense bombing, so he gave up on them and attacked the U.S.S.R. England achieved its greatest successes in Africa and the Middle East, but there are some who would argue that that was done more or less on the basis of saving the British
bensmith86 3 years ago
Empire and less about the good of the world. I say, and still hold to my original thesis that it was American money and weaponry and Russian blood that saved the World from Hitler. American involvement was more guaranteed than you might think. Roosevelt, despite the fact that he wasn't open about it. Was slowly and surely preparing the Americans for war with either Japan or Germany. Even if Japan hadn't attacked, a confrontation with them would have been inevitable, and then Hitler could justly
bensmith86 3 years ago
have said that he was waging war on America because one of his allies had been attacked, not because they were the attacker. However, Americans have a remarkable quality about being really pissed off when our blood is up, and eventually either Japan or Germany would have made us this angry. America was coming one way or the other, and it wouldn't have fought one without fighting the other.
bensmith86 3 years ago
Sorry to bang on, but if Britain had not hung on in 40/41, and yes it was hanging on where would the Americans have invaded from? Across the Atlantic, the English Channel proved difficult enough.
BolrogoftheNorth 3 years ago
No one disputes that. If you read my posts, I never belittled England's ednurance or her people's suffering. As far as the British Empire goes, I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of American intervention in other aspects of world affairs either, though, so it's not just ya'll. I understand England's suffering and her heroism during those dark days. But all I've een seeing recently is people (primarily English people belittling Americans on here. You get a little tired of it.
bensmith86 3 years ago
I don't mean to tweek John Bull's nose, but when you're a former colony, or group of colonies, you see history a little differently as far as Empires go, but that's a totally different can of worms all together, isn't it?
bensmith86 3 years ago
For what little it is worth, Iam of mixed Scottish Irish and English ancestry, probably like alot of English people. Needless to say the attempts of the Scots to blame the English or the Irish to blame the Scots or the English leave me cold .Both sets of grandparents were out and out working class people, on my mothers side as poor as church mice. Please do not think everyone profited from the Empire, if they,"the bosses" could exploit them abroad they would do at home too.
BolrogoftheNorth 3 years ago
Well it may surprise you to know I can understand that.Although perhaps you should try reading posts by google14, an American who belittles just about everyone else, plus his spelling is atrocious!
BolrogoftheNorth 3 years ago
Fair enough to the general gist of your argument.Stalin always argued that the Britsh brought time the Americans money but Russia paid in blood. [I despise Communism incidentally]Whatever you think of the British Empire I doubt if we could have held on in WW2 without it. Effectively it was sacrificed to defeat a far greater evil, Nazi Germany. All credit to the post war government of Atlee for granting independence to former colonies like India[unlike France who tried to hang on to Indochina]
BolrogoftheNorth 3 years ago
typical bristish ideals thinking you are the best and you didnt need are help who do you think maid your weapons and bullets tanks planes we did we usd the profits to fund are production to get ready for war do you think we were asleep we were ready we built japan and dont say we didnt they were backward till we came to help and what they did was stupid the pissed off there big bro and true a united front won the war but not with out americas intevention would the war have been won
googel4 3 years ago
american also funeded the germans during the war u thick shit thsat was until we stopped germanys invasion into britain and that put them on the back foot then america jumped on our bandwagon.
SirDodds 3 years ago
Excuse me? Since Hitler never tried to invade Britain (only bomb them into submission), you didn't repel anything. All you really did was just kind of sit there and endure while America got ready to come help you. England suffered a good deal, but I suggest you get over the inferiority complex. ALso, America didn't aid Germany as much as you think. That was actually more World War One. Roosevelt and most Americans were ardently Anti-Nazi.
bensmith86 3 years ago
First of all, Caldwell, I am not your mate, and second of all, how dare an Englishman lecture anyone else on arogance. By the way, I am a history major. Yes, I know that movies like Braveheart and the patior are stupid, but I also know that Americans are better than you give them credit for. You, sir, have an overwhelming sense of smugness. Typical American response, huh? I am not an English hater. I dont even dislike YOU. By the way, how can 99.99% of all Americans claim Irish or Scottish
bensmith86 3 years ago
heritage? What about lack people? What about Natives. That's an over-inflated number if I've ever heard one.
bensmith86 3 years ago
I hit the reply button too early that time. Anyway, I am well aware that other nations took part in World War Two. Yes, shocker here, I am also well aware that there are other countires besides the U.S. Do you have some chip on your shoulder towards Americans. Because you accuse me of being an English hater (as if you people were important enough in world affairs any more to still draw hatred), and all you seem to do is spit American stereotypes at me here. What if I spat stereotypes at you?
bensmith86 3 years ago
WHat if I said, for example, get those teeth fixed, or maybe, sober up. I apologize if a few of my fellow countrymen have offended you, but you clearly show your own prejudices when you accuse us of teering up at St. Paddy's (an ethnic slur by the way) Day. As far as the Brave Heart reference, I don't buy into cheap sentamentality or breast beating patriotism. I know that movie was made (like all of the Jew-hating Gibson movies) to package and sell on patriotic hollidays. I understand full well
bensmith86 3 years ago
that the Scots had asked Edward to arbitrate their little royal disagreement, and that as a reward for his efforts Edward claimed Suzerainity in Scotland in case of war ( which he was then fighting with France I believe). I also know that the English invaded Ireland at the behest of an ousted Irish nobleman who wanted revenge on his political enemies. So, England wasn't really to blame either there or in previoud episodes. No, what really annoys me is that all I ever see on here are people from
bensmith86 3 years ago
countries on here writing about how fat and lazy Americans are and how arrogant we are. I am also tired of everyone thinking that all Americans support Bush (another stupid assumption), and that we are all ignorant cowboys rasied on Hollywood. The world may owe John Bull a lot, and I am not saying that it doesn't, but it atleast owes America nearly as much. I do recognize the fact that the British kept the faith while having the day lights bombed out of them by that fat ass Hermann Goering, and
bensmith86 3 years ago
that they shed just as much of their own blood as other countries did, but you also have to understand that I am just as proud of my nation's involvment in stopping Evil as you are in yours. Did America win the war single handidly. Of course not. However, what would have happened if we hadn't gotten involved at all? Churchill said it best when he said that everything weloved would fall into darkness. And could you blame America for not wanting to take on another war in Europe?
bensmith86 3 years ago
I mean the second World War was kind of Europe's fault. If you people hand't been so damned hard on Germany (I know it was their fault) then Hitler wouldn't have had any reason to be so pissed off thirty years later. Wilson tried to make you people see that, and you blew him off. In a way, Americans saw it as Europe's fault that it was in the shape it was in, and they kinda had a point. America has done a lot to engender dislike, but we've also done a good deal to be proud of.
bensmith86 3 years ago
lol Ben I know your not my mate, if you knew anything about England and our language youd know I never meant it that way. A Major in History! Then you should learn to be more objective and view history in a colder light (leave emotions or suppose heritage out of it). Your vision of Britain, its people and its history is blinkered and your ridiculous statement of 'Ive got Irish/Scot blood' means you have any right to feel animosity towards us, sadly DOES make you the classic Irish/Scot American.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Also your comment that I was responsible for an Ethnic slur about Irish Americans weeping on St Pats days shows to me that you are perhaps too sensitive, and need to toughen up a little! I'll tell my dad about my ethnic slur....he'll laugh im sure! Oh by the way, yes we do have bad teeth and are generally partial to the odd beer, for me personally, more than one. We're not too proud to admit it! And to clarify 99.99% of Irish/Scot Americans (I thought that was Obvious?).
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
My dislike 'as stated' is for American idiots who, as you are aware seem to plague the internet and constantly claim we won WW2 and saved our limey arses. No I feel the USA has its place and rightly must be given credit for some great achievements but like my nations failings its responsible for some awful legacies. I have American friends and love their quirks and nature. Oh but using your immature analogy I should hold no love for them because of my English blood and 200+ year old war, Grow up
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
To finalise, I can assure you I'm no American Hater, which means your venom is misdirected. Please show me where I belittle the States? Where I lecture on your failings? Where I elevate my nation above yours? Like your original posts! No you come on and essay us on YOUR negative vision of Britain and end up looking like the thing you say you despise, an arrogant, smug, boastful American!
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
If you didn't say those things, I apologize. I actually don't have anything against Britain. It's really more against people who dislike Americans for all the wrong reasons. The crack about teeth wasn't at you. It was rally meant more as an example of stupid stereotypes. I like beer myself. I go to church with this woman from Liverpool, and she is the nicest old lady I've ever met, so I'm not really anti-English. Maybe it wasn't you, but I only caught the negative aspects of your post.
bensmith86 3 years ago
I actually liked debating with you, though, and I want to come see England some day. I want to see Trafalgar Square and maybe the Tower of London. In case you can't tell, I'm an ardent Churchill admirer. I think the man made more beautiful speeches than our own Abraham Lincoln. I've also always sort of liked Desraeli and, of course, Edmund Burke (spelling?). But, no, any literate American can't fail to see that movies like the Patriot are silly, patriotic twaddle. Oh, by the way, wasn't it
bensmith86 3 years ago
France that Edward was fighting when he and the Scots had their little run in?
bensmith86 3 years ago
Like me, my only problem is with people ill informed on historical matters, and who target my nations history because they feel they should dislike us. So in the long run I suppose we are not too dissimilar in attitude.
Edward I: Yes, well it wasn't a war as such. More a squabble over French land. Its during the squabble that the Scots rebelled!
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Well, that stands to reason. The jury on William Wallace is still out. Was he a hero or a brigand? The movie, clap-trap, makes him out to be a selfless hero guided by patriotism and lost love. Few people in history are ever that goodie-goodie. The same thing goes for Banastre Tarleton during the American Revolution. Was he an English patriot, or a terrorist?
bensmith86 3 years ago
As for Hitler was defeated by American money and Russian blood is particially true I admit, but dont forget the huge number of nations that gave their young to defeating Germany too across the world (yes theres a world out there, not just America). There is of course Germany itself, Hitler's strategy itself defeated Germany too. So please dont be deluded by some air of moral superiority, or you'll end up sounding like the idiots on here.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
You joined because you had too, it was an act self preservation! Japan unchecked in the East and a Germany in control of the whole of Europe in the west.... who'd do you think may have been next. Or would you have collaborated in Nazism? Who knows how history would have been formed had you not joined?
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Your other points, boy have you got a problem with England. Though typically you confuse both England and Great Britain, and cherry pick your hatred. "I have Irish and Scottish blood, thats why I hate the English" yawn, a typical American response. Never just American, no you guys yearn for heritage and belonging. Its sad that you guys go misty eyed on St Pats & St Andrews day, when 99.99% of you have never even been to your beloved motherlands, and you'd get a shock if you did.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Guess what Ben Smith (fine English name) my Fathers Irish but I am English, and am as proud of being English as that of my Irish family, I find it best not to pick sides but only pick the positives. I am also intrigued why you think its your right to hate the English because of Irish or Scottish blood? As an American I doubt you even appreciate the complex nature of our little island.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Oh you might have seen a few movies 'Braveheart, Michael Collins" but I bet you cannot even fathom the start of the conflicts or its history. Read up on it, then get back to me, I'll be here, waiting!
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Now I dont want to get to heavy on you or the fact that your appear a, now what is it a British or English hater, I dont think you know... yes I'll admit the British Empire had a huge amount of Blood on its hands. Any fool who stands on the moral high ground and says different is an idiot. ALL Empires are built on BLOOD! But again on the positives, our 'Brand' of civilisation brought some good to the world too.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
Roman history is often held up nowadays as a high point in History, they brought roads, sanitation, the written word and many more things to the darker reaches of Europe, but on the darkside they brought death, slavery and misery to some too. The price of being an Empire!To conclude Ben, get over your delusion of the USA saving our arses, and grow up when it comes to hating the English. You need to read more history mate!
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
To the people on here who act as though America is the only nation that has any blood on its hands, how did all those little Irish children starve to death? Hmm? What about the Boer war? You know full well that every nation writes its own myths and legends. This movie was crap, and I'll give you that, but Britain has no right to crow about its own moral goodness. Let's see, during World War One, you enacted a blockade that was less than three miles from the coast Germany got its supplies from,
bensmith86 3 years ago
a clear cut violation of international law. Let's continue. I am sure Ghandi threw himself off the train, right? So England has nothing to worry about as far as Civil Rights go, huh? You had better be damned glad America came to your aid at all in both wars, forget the fact that they were late. We could have let you be Hitler's bitch. Now, wouldn't that have been amusing? "Victory was achieved by allied strength and partnership.." typical English repsonse.
bensmith86 3 years ago
Lets see what else is wrong with Englad, shall we? I see British people lambast Americans all the time about our race problems. May I ask you this? Do you still have Lords in England. And those "Lords" enjoy a higher rank in society than the average Briton, don't they? So, it's ok to be classicist so long as you're not racist, right? I am of Scottish and Irish heritage. I have no love for you people, and I know that England has just as much blood on its hands as any other nation.
bensmith86 3 years ago
You don't have to worry about me singing "Rule Britannia" any time soon. Also, I'll leave you with a parting shot here. England's history is a history written in every bit as much blood as Americans. We have to remember that when the Europeans came to North America and subdued the Natives or brought slaves to the colonies, they weren't doing it in the name of America or liberty, now where they. That's right they weren't. God save the Queen indeed.
bensmith86 3 years ago
stop the political debate bollocks and for gods sake turn off that shite music.
sascommando247 3 years ago
cant wait to do this in Empire total war
coolguyrko 3 years ago
2:40 OWNED
shinystuffff 3 years ago
why is it when somebody posts a good video about the colonial war,everybody has to twitter on about facts that are not important here!
historyrules14 3 years ago
Up THE BRITS AND UP THE REBS!
madmanninc 3 years ago
.. the entire network of American society is one great falsehood from beginning to end..In their celebrated Declaration of Independence they made the loudest assertion of the rights of man yet at that time the identical men .. were trafficking in the blood and souls of their fellow men..everything ..has been summoned to defend this great lie ..no nation ..can exhibit a statute book that is cruel malicous and infernal as the US code of laws. Every page is red with the blood of the American slave
shahofblah08 3 years ago
This is just a film clip what's with all the bickering ? The thirteen colonies were British and were inhabited by people mainly of British stock (immigrants), these people rebelled against British taxation -history -yes American history is part of British history as is Canada, Australia, South Africa etc so get over it !
SheffMick 3 years ago
JRK ur and idiot if it wasnt for america youd be speaking german twice dip shit we saved the world twice dunmb ass stubborn brit
googel4 3 years ago
lolol the classic American response... late in both wars, the first was a token effort on your part. The second was the final realisation that your arse was on the line. We stood alone why you got fat on war profits. Then the Japs took a swing at you. Shit you thought, we have to join now to save our skins!!!
Victory was achieved by allied combined strength and partnership, not American involvement alone.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
What you must understand is that it was American money and Russian blood that finally defeated Hitler. What exactly did England contribute? More than 50 billion dollars was issued during the lend lease program when Churchill begged Roosevelt for help because England was basically destitute,and all Churchill had was pretty speeches, and Britain only paid back about 8 billion of it. Thus, we didn't get fat off war profits. You're thinking about World War One. You Limeys did better in that one.
bensmith86 3 years ago
Thanks for your response Ben, I do feel you need to get over this 'Brits hate all yanks' crap....for me what I hate is this arrogant we won WW2 sh*t that keeps coming out from across the pond. Note it never comes from vets, only kids brought up on hollywood history. You too are deluded by this feeling of we owe you TOTAL gratitude. You did your bit, admittedly, you were late but you joined in time to save Europe and yourselves.
Caldwell1820 3 years ago
british patriot u can belive what u want but ur false man there was more americans than that and let me tell u somthing u rember this how man battels did u win using american tanks and american maid products u would of lost the war and afica if not for us we did more in the war than any other nation lets not forget we fought on two fronts one alone i kno it wasnt until pearl harbor thats becuase americas not dumb we dont get into european shit witch btw almost everything starts over there
googel4 3 years ago
so Iraq? we started that? wow news to me. Vietnam? we started that? again, christ!
1992 Kenya the 1 Yanks went in alone on but according to you we started it? and finnaly the cild war we started that?
madmanninc 3 years ago
fuck britain you are the biggest bitches in the world you always picked on the little guy you fucked with the scotts and william wallace fucked youu up you fucked with the irish michael collins fucked you up you fucked with the colonies and they fucked you your people are ruthless bastards who have the audacity to call themselves civilized you killed, robbed, and rapped MILLIONS of scottish, irish, and countless others. the saying the sun no long sets on the british empire is no longer true!
AmericatheStrong 3 years ago
To AmericatheStron you fucked with Vietnam, I think it is fair to say that despite carpet bombing using napalm and Agent Orange they well and truly fucked you up
shahofblah08 3 years ago 2