What australia bought was the same thing the US would issue to a army unit, Minus the turbine engine which the Aussies didn't want. The Abrams is the best tank in the world. Period it has gone up against the best australia would ever face and proven vastly superior. That is why it was chosen.
@MrFattyfatfatboy unless you are in the defence force please keep your mouth closed, the us is responsible for saving hundreds of australian soliders in current ops, so i ask agian grow up and show some respect, the yanks havve been saving our asses since b4 ww2 they stoped the japs in the coral sea they provide full support to aussies anywhere. the abrams is "un-combat tested" best MBT current. since reciving the tusk armour they have become even more resistant to rounds like sabot's ect
Idiots we bought them so our forces match a US marine exp force because the us navy wants the australian army compatible as far as deploying, we bought the fa18fs because us navy wanted the marines to do the same , fuck the us and fuck abrams the worst tank in history.
Australianpyro!!! Do your homework! We are more than capable you fool! You are probably stupid enough to think that when a Blackhawks tire deflates we send the helicopter back to the states to get air put in the tire aren't you!? We can rebuild them here and we are well equipped!
OMG, we service and rebuild all our service vehicles here in Australia!!!! just cos we bought the Abrams doesn't mean it's exact spec as Yankee tanks, the cheeky bastards sold them to us 6 tons lighter!!! And the weight loss was frontal armor, we have tricked them to suit our needs, and we have altered the engine pack, we DON'T send it to the states for rebuilds!!!!
You all know that we run our abrams off diesel and not that stupid zp-1 jet fuel the yanks use. Jet fuel in a tank does make it go faster, but after 2 hours they're dry and need juice! I mean 2 hours combat time for an active modern tank!? WTF happened to endurance, the leopard could go for 3 days and was a waaay smaller target. i'd prefer a leopard with modern armor any day over an american zp-1 fueled abrams!
The Abrams tanks you guys are getting down under are not "second hand", they are brand new and the latest M1A1 variant. There is no real difference in the capabilities of the Leo 2A6 and the M1A1. The major advantage the Abrams has is its extensive combat history. The Leo 2A6 is largely untested in actual combat. Important for working out bugs.
@ringoffire02 Mate out tanks are 2nd hand. production of brand new m1a1 ceased late 90's the a2 just rekitted old a1. just watched a doco National geo Ultimate Factories M1 tank. Ya can see in that. ya can even see our tanks aus getting refubished. note the kangaroo on the turret.
@ringoffire02 sorry mate they aint new, there used m1a1, but pulled apart clean fully refurbished with mostly new and upgraded systems, rest assured that after a few years these tanks will b among the deadliest in the world.
@AustralianPyro I know! plus the Leopard 2 is faster and has more firepower then the Abrams plus its armour is the best you can have on a tank. We need more tanks anyway.
correction, it's top speed aint faster and it uses the exact same 120mm gun as the abrams, but it has a greater combat effectiveness due to it sucking less.
it does however, run off the same fuel as the rest of our vehicles, it's warmup time is measured in seconds, not minutes like the abrams, and engine maintenance can be performed by bogans -something which we have in great quantity in Australia.
@xGUERILLAxxxWARFAREx: The Leopard 2 isn't much faster, both can drive around 70 Km/h. If you're unchoking the Abrams, it would go about 200 Km/h, but runs out of Fuel. Also the Leopard doesn't have more Firepower, the Abrams have the way better Ammo, and has a longer Range of Fire. And the Armor on the newest Variant is very tough too.
@defiant18: The Abrams is throttled, it can't go faster than it used to be, his speed is limited due his fuel consumption, thanks to his turbine the Abrams acclerate faster than Leopard 2, in hard terrain both can't go over 30 mph. On a Street without turns & with enough fuel the Abrams could drive 200 kmh due his turbine, the Leopard 2 reached 116 kmh on a german Autobahn.
@AustralianPyro is that anything like "combatreform"? I'll take a look. I believe the Leopard 2 is an outstanding tank and the Germans have set a precedent building awesome tanks. However, the M1 Abrams has a combat record the Leopard 2 just can't hold a candle to. You can test all you want in peace time, but combat is the ultimate validating environment. The AGT1500 will run off diesel, gasoline, JET-A, and marine diesel and a number of other fuels. Try to find a -10 operators manual for the M1
yes, it -can- run off diesel, and in fact, the australian abrams do, (due to logistics constraints)
but, and here's the kicker, for an army like the ADF, we have no ability to do engine rebuilds of the agt1500, (as a turbine, something that needs to happen more often than a clunky diesel) we need to send them back to the manufacturer - in the US.
AND we need to do it more often than the yanks do, because diesel shortens the lifespan of the turbine.
@AustralianPyro Interesting. In the US Army, our tanks run off the same fuel that our trucks run off of. It's called JP8. It powers everything now, from trucks, hummers, tanks, helicopters, planes, generators, boats and what not. It's is pretty much the standard fuel for the US military.
also, we're a nation of bogans, many of which are diesel fitters, it's more logical to have a tank with a diesel engine along the likes of the Leo2, the purchase of the Abrams was a political one, not a military one.
@AustralianPyro Does the ADF send the T700 engines from their Blackhawk helicopters back to the states for depot level repairs, inspections and rebuilds? Does it do the same with T55 engines from their Chinook helicopters? If there exists a local depot in Australia for helicopter turbine engines an jet engines, then I find it rather hard to believe there isn't the capability to overhaul AGT1500. AGT1500 is a similar engine to the T700 which it competed against (lost) to power Army helicopters.
Why was there a minimum of Australianisation on the paintwork. I'f they're our tanks, I'd have thought they would be redone in 3 tone colourscheme and Auzzie decal markings.
@TheManWhoSpoke This video is from 2007. The Aussie Abrams are currently in the process, if not completely, repainted with our 3 tone. Google some pics from the Australian International Airshow 2011 we had down near Geelong, Victoria somewhat recently. They look nice.
i think we should have bought the Merkava Mark 4 isralie tank, idk if they would have sold them to us but i think we should have made a bid for them. and you cant really go wrong with isralie stuff haha. i just think it would have suited us better but the M1A1 is very good none the less
See I like coming in here. Every time I check out a video about Americas M1A2 there are a bunch of haters in there talking trash on America. People can't just appreciate a tough quality tank. But you Aussies have all good things to say. Its nice for a change.
wow some pretty outrageous posts being made.... our abrams arent second hand... why buy them from the manufacturer then add modifications.. give us alot more credit than you are....... Australia doesnt have to worry bout many things, and if we were to worry about who could invade us then think about china even america would be overrun by the chinese... anyways our budget is enough for our DEFENCE force... key word DEFENCE. thats why its called the ADF!!!!
I think the idea of these Tanks are so our Army/Troops can be more intergratable into US operations. Whether the Tanks are any good defending Australia in the outback terrian remains to be seen.
I hope most of you can't / don't have children, god help this country if the next generation is being raised by you uneducated, redneck keyboard warriors..
usa would never, ever, invaded a freedom loving country like the Australia nation,beside they bye 1 hell of alot of stuff from us + they are civilized people. alot like american. that don't take no shit! and i'm sure if we (usa) was attacked australia would be on there way over to help put them in there place fast. and beside aussie women are off the hook sharp
@NAVY76 Yeah, we would be the only country on earth that leaves Defense spending to last and it's budgeted at that. Its our high skill training and the Aussie way that keeps us going.
@chrisdef15 dude a place like North korea wouldnt find it too hard to invade, they have like the 4th largest standing army in the world and they only show what they want to so chances are there is a lot of technology they have that we dont know about
No offence but learn abit more before commenting.
North Korea has has no capability to touch us at the moment. Yes they have a huge army but they have no way of getting it here. To invade Australia any country would need a very large Navy and Air bases in Indonesia or a bunch of carrier battlegroups and alot of transport ships. None of which NK has.
They could use civilian planes or boats but would be slaughtered by our Airforce and Navy.
@chrisdef15 and where did you get that information? the KPA is so secretive about everything it does. iv only seen one photo of its fighters on the internet which is of a a Mig. there arnt an photos of any of the KPA's military equipment because they are all banned so whats to say they dont have have huge number of transports? or even stealth aircraft. and australias current air force is rather usless i have to say. with around 75 F/18's and 20 F/18F super hornets NPA migs would win with numbers
There is plenty of info available if you do a simple google search.
Transports are large ships and would easily be spotted by satellites.
They are thought to only have about 30-40 Mig 29's the rest are all old obselete planes from the 70's and none of them can fly here anyway its too far.
if you think everything you read by doing a google search i dont know what to say. you think everything on that is correct? its rather easy for a country to hide what it does the internet isnt the all great seeing eye you seem to think it is. on transports i was talking about planes which are easy to hide and airliners are easy to use. btw 30 mig air superiority fighters would make destory a lot of our airforce but chances of enough of our airforce mobilizing in time are very slim
Why would a country hide what it has? Countries want the world to know what they have. The only secrets are new technologies which i really doubt NK has any of.
Again for the third time, NK's MIg's cant fly here, they are completely meaningless in this coversation.
And on your comments on our Airforce they are all we need to protect Australia against anyone but the US. Our Navy and Airforce is specifically designed for protecting Australia by stopping anything from crossing the ocean and actually making it to Australia.
Invading a country is alot harder then you seem to think.
im sorry but the US isnt the only country in the world with an airforce, a country like China could take out our airforce over night. also the UK could wipe us out if they really wanted to. also on our navy. ships move rather slow if you didnt know. a place like china could take out the few ships that were in the way b4 we could mobilize anything to intercept the target.
defending a country is a lot harder then you seem to think.
@jamesboy46382 The US Navy could effectively take on the rest of the world and win handily. There are 14 or so supercarriers that exist the US has 12 of them, As far as air forces are concerned the US air force is Light Years ahead of the rest of the world. no one could invade the US. China could try but their navy would cease to exist rather quickly. The US spends as much money on defense as the rest of the world put together no single country would even have a chance.
@paintsvillehs they might have a big navy, but for them to actually invade and occuoy a country is alot harder than u think, they are at there limit as it is now, they couldnt possibly take over any more big countires, let alone the rest of the world. and no country would dream of attacking Australia,
@defiant18 Thats not what I meant I meant that the United States would thouroughly clusterfuck anyone who dared mess with australia. As for Australia and the abrams they bought them for two reasons. 1 The australian army wanted something combat proven. The Leopard and challenger are equal with the abrams, but never have really seen combat like the abrams. and 2 because we buils thousands of abrams and were able to sell them to australia for a very cheap price compared to the other tanks.
@Antifaith29 It never really got to go one on one with Iraqi Tanks. The british had very small roles in both iraq wars, The Challenger is a very good tank, but is in no way better than the abrams.
@paintsvillehs its first combat use came in March 2003 during the invasion of Iraq. 7th Armoured Brigade, part of 1st Armoured Division, was in action with 120 Challenger 2s around Basra. One in particular was hit directly by fourteen rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile , the crew survived to tell the story. I'm not sure what you mean by very small role considering the english helped set the whole thing up , they had SASehind the lines before both wars >>
@Antifaith29 Dont worry, the people that think that are the people that arent soldiers. We know who is backing us up and we DO appreciate it. More then you know. Dont ever think everyone here in America is ignorant, cause I would fight for Australia any day!
@paintsvillehs Im not baggiung the Abrams either, it's a great bit of kit, it's only real problem is the logistic chain required to keep it operational. I know those gas turbines can use almost anything as fuel but they need a shitload of it compared to other tanks.
@Antifaith29 But compared to what the US did it is a very small part of the war. However I am very thankful to our british allies for following us into that stupid war. As for the abrams we supplied the australians with the Diesel variant that has decent fuel economy. And the part about the Damage the Challenger took, the Abrams has the same armor, only we added the DU mesh. What america did with the abrams was take the best parts of the best tanks and make something spectacular.
@paintsvillehs I know about the diesle motors in the Australian Abrams, i used to be in the Australian army. Was 7 brigade- 6 bat ( rar) motorised infantry. Gunner standing out the top of a bushmaster. Love those girls ;)
There striped and refitted, with more advanced technology then current US Abrams in service, except for the US abrams also getting stripped and refiited. which they are basically equal too.
@IdunCareLesSn00b..1. The tanks are refitted to the highest spec of any current Abram in the world, still 2nd hand but for all intents and purpose brand new.. 2.. We don't have the technology / industry to build arguably the worlds best tank.. 3.. The Rudd government didn't order them the Howard government did.. 4.. Retards like you should try learning something before posting..
LOL do you realize what making new tanks would cost? Why bother when the Abrams are basically the best tanks in the world, especially with the mods we made to them.
Also they are secondhand but completely rebuilt to new, they didnt just send us there old crappy ones with old parts.
@IdunCareLesSn00b the m1a1 tanks for the ADF were brand knew. there is even a doco on the descovery channel about how they were made and they went to the factory. the ones being build in the show are for the ADF if you dont belive me look close and you will see the kangaroo painted on the front of the turret
@HONORGUARD308 you can paint anything on to a tank. if youy didnt know our tanks aren't the default american desert mono-colour anymore, they are now painted in the Australian Army tri-colour being black green and brown.
@StunnedMutha strange cus when i was at the puka tank range and 5 drove past me they were painted tan but that was like last year i think. when did they get re painted?
@HONORGUARD308 yea, no. All this has only happened recently. 1 Bde's 1st armoured regiment only just recently decided to australianise our fleet of m1a1's and m88a2 hercules'. im not sure if their all finished yet, the last tanned m1a1 i saw was a few months ago but ive lately been seeing the tri-colour ones too ; ) then again i am on leave atm. A mate of mine told me it takes something crazy between 150-170 hours to fully paint one -heaps of coats of paint :)
@StunnedMutha do the new ones look nice? i would love to see the new paint job. i like the australian tri-colour camo its so easy to figger out who they belong to
@HONORGUARD308 bollacks. they were rebuilt M1A1s with diesel engines added instead of the gas guzzling gas turbines. They are still a (very) poor man's C1 or C2.
@HONORGUARD308 pal, did u have ur ears closed while watching that doco..The doco is about our tanks bein REFURBISHED, they are second hand M1A1 US tanks, that were returned from the field{iraq n so on} then stripped down and refurbished So they are second hand.
@defiant18 Dont be a smart ass, no one likes a smart ass and trust me the ones we have are pretty much new. I think iv being around these enough to know whats up with them.
@HONORGUARD308 so now they are" preety much new", im just pointing out u were wrong, and no 1 likes a dickhead. they are used american m1a1 that were pulled apart refurbished with mostly new equipment. that isnt new.
@defiant18 I know what im talking about, and FYI no its not "mostly all new" its all new the only thing that is not new is the armour and if we melted that down and rebuilt it then it would be 100% new as it was when it came out of the factory it was 99% new
@IdunCareLesSn00b you dont cuz you dont fucking need to? if i dont live in the ghetto or involved in a turf war or another similar allegory, but still would want my kin prepared and have equipment to practice with, i'd even just consider virtual training. its no wonder rudd was running the country and not your kind.
@IdunCareLesSn00b Funny considering these were bought under Howard, you fucking retard. Oh and please tell me what part of Australian industry would be able to make a totally new and modern main battle tank. As for second hand.. all these tanks went under a total refit/refurbishment. Meaning every single part was checked and either fixed or replaced depending on its situation.
@IdunCareLesSn00b You do know the 'yanks' use second hand ones as well, The US has not made a single new Abrams since the 1980s - The US Army and Marines use second hand refurbished M1's then turn them into M1A1 - juts like ours
Oh, and ofcourse, it had to be a Brit who said it. And where did those convicts come from? Great bloody Britain. Why? Cause you lost the 13 Colonies to militias and didn't have a big offshore Alcatraz anymore. Hah!
no we lost 13 colonies to france and holland if it had been just US vs GB we'd have won, you owe your independence to france, holland oh and the native americans who you then slaughtered. hah
France helped, but not that much. Took their time getting over here too, for experienced navy who did the trip across Atlantic faster than anyone they took forever (probably on purpose) and stopped half way to do war exercises.
You just don't want to admit GB got beat by colonial militias with support of French and some Spanish.
Native Americans? Some were fighting with and against us (whom Britain paid to do so)
You want to talk about indigenous ppl getting slaughtered? GB is master of that!
Britain only had a fraction of its force deployd in America, of course you'd know that if you had bothered to read the history books that were written a long time ago (rather than the new ones which simply re write lots of the stories and miss details out kind of like hollywood actually)
On the interent your people talk like they've ruled the earth since the 1700s, you guys weren''t#1 until the 1950s and you will not stay @#1 for as long as we did, china is soon to take over....enjoy that one
I've never said we ruled the Earth, especially since 18th century and not even today do we rule the world. Sure we're the sole superpower but yea we don't rule everyone. We're not GB we don't go around colonizing countries and "ruling them" ok.
Wait I got all my facts from hollywood, didn't Mel Gibson defeat your British army single handedly? ha ha!
face it, GB was the world superpower, biggest navy, most experienced military and lost to American militia who were way outnumbered/outgunned
hahahahahaha you see thats where your wrong, you weren't outnumbered...we were thee were 400,000 participants on your team, 25,000 on ours...read a book! im not saying you said that anyway, its the image alot of americans portray on the internet. mate if we still had the empire guess what Iraq afgahnistan and 9/11 wouldn't have happened becuase we owened about 60-65% of the middle est including iran, iraq and afgahn.
like i said i like america #1 ally but you guys speak down to us all too much
American (all stats peak strength) 27,000 Continentals/13,500 French/ 8,000 Spanish Patriot militia (lightly armed, slightly trained, no experience) no more than 65,000 at one time 5,000 African-American slaves a few tribes of natives, most opposed US GB 15,200 British regulars/ 5,200 Provincial regulars/ 10,765 German regulars 5,000 natives 25,000 Loyalist Militia fought with Britain Thousands more served in Royal Navy. 20,000+ black soldiers fought with Britain 13,000+ native americans
Um hard to get accurate numbers I think that was in 1775 but by 1783 Britain had 480 ships in the Royal Navy but another big factor here is what kind of ships, Continental navy were pretty crappy frigates and Britain had like 100 ships of the line.
And feeling is mutual you guys talk down to us an awful lot too, I guess it's the case of chicken and the egg, who started it first. Every country has it's fair share of arrogant idiots who talk a lot of damn shit.
fair enough, in my defence i only reply to peoples comments. like i already said I am a big fan of american people but these online arguements between 2 ally nation pisses me off to the extent that i become embroiled.
Yea I agree, it's obnoxious and pointless. But you shouldn't let it get to you so much, this is the internet afterall and like 30% of the people on here just came to talk shit without any fear of consequences. There are a lot of these type of jackasses in America doing it but it's everywhere really.
I can understand friendly rivalry or competition but some of that stuff just goes way beyond it.
Ok maybe we weren't greatly outnumbered, we were outgunned and vastly inexperienced fighting the most experienced and armed army. Our navies were not even comparable. US navy was LOL. 20 crappy ships that got obliterated easily. Royal navy largest in world, 250+ ships, 170,000+ sailors, but when France and Spain joined it was deprived superiority. They can have all the credit on the naval battles. Also the war was started 1775 ended 1783. France joined 1778, Spain and Dutch in 1780.
@Nighthawk117 So I guess when asked by the Australian customs when I enter Australia if 'I have a criminal record?' then the answer should not be 'sorry, I did not realise I still needed one'
The only thing better about Leopard 2 is fuel consumption. It's more successful commercially because of that and being cheaper, easier to produce.
You want an extremely technologically advanced, hard-hitting, well protected, fast and powerful tank which is the most combat proven in the world today? Well you guys
bought em.
And you Aussies even use diesel fuel in yours to simplify logistics and cheaper for you, we use jet-fuel for same purpose.
The aussie abrams has the same Reihnmetal L44 120mm smoothbore as the american version. Don't worry, we wouldn't sell you blokes any second hand garbage. You all bought some fine war machines
Australia isnt the richest country... you fuckers have the 14th largest GDP and there is only 22 million of you. your defence budget is FUCKING HUGE for your population and defence force size. It has to be, your surrounded by communist countires and others that are unstable, you guys are the military power in your region, you have to be too keep things stable. If Australia was'nt there, Papua New Guinea , New zealand and a buch of others would be speaking indonesian!
Love this ongoing talk about the 'Chinese Threat"...brown water navy...inneffective air force populated by early-late model Russian fighters (which even Russia cannot maintain), fairly good SAM capability...so what do you have - an insular war confined to 20 miles off shore...not quite on par with 21 B-2s loaded with 18 TacNukes per boat...good luck though...
China is a poor,over populated,smelly,desgusting country and thats all it is,its military is weak if u tested one of their normal soldiers to a trained soldier like an aussie
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the Chinese have more people in their army than the US has in total numbers of citizens, they have over a million jet fighters, a million tanks, their training is very harsh and diciplined (because naturally they don't give a crap about their soldiers welfare), they are tough and they have numbers so they could invade ANYONE if they so chose
WTF dude i think bullshitting there they do not have 1 million jetfigthers and tanks or the total number of personnel in the army is the same of the population of the US. the only true point u wrote was they do not give a fuck abt the soldiers welfare.
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ok an exaggeration, but just 1% of their population being employed in the military means 13 million troops right there, and you can be damned sure it's more than that!
i coulda swore i posted another comment here but be buggered if i can see it. anyway i said what with all the treaties with various western nations we all know a chinese invasion of australia wouldnt go unopposed or unanswered. If it did then the world would have sunk pretty damn low
seriously armouredcore you gotta be deluded if you think 20 million aussies could hold off 2 billion chinese. Training of the average aussie soldier sure as hell is better than most and the equipment is right up there with the best but shear weight of numbers would swamp you.
i am awear of that. but china does not have a large enough navy and little resources to be able to get to us, and other countries are not going to sit back and watch it happen. i am also trying to tell this stupid turkey to stop insulting our military.
What australia bought was the same thing the US would issue to a army unit, Minus the turbine engine which the Aussies didn't want. The Abrams is the best tank in the world. Period it has gone up against the best australia would ever face and proven vastly superior. That is why it was chosen.
paintsvillehs 4 months ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy unless you are in the defence force please keep your mouth closed, the us is responsible for saving hundreds of australian soliders in current ops, so i ask agian grow up and show some respect, the yanks havve been saving our asses since b4 ww2 they stoped the japs in the coral sea they provide full support to aussies anywhere. the abrams is "un-combat tested" best MBT current. since reciving the tusk armour they have become even more resistant to rounds like sabot's ect
JLDickins 4 months ago
Idiots we bought them so our forces match a US marine exp force because the us navy wants the australian army compatible as far as deploying, we bought the fa18fs because us navy wanted the marines to do the same , fuck the us and fuck abrams the worst tank in history.
MrFattyfatfatboy 4 months ago
Australianpyro!!! Do your homework! We are more than capable you fool! You are probably stupid enough to think that when a Blackhawks tire deflates we send the helicopter back to the states to get air put in the tire aren't you!? We can rebuild them here and we are well equipped!
Blandy086 6 months ago
@Blandy086 Actually, it's tyre in Engligh.
HeathLedgersChemist 4 months ago
OMG, we service and rebuild all our service vehicles here in Australia!!!! just cos we bought the Abrams doesn't mean it's exact spec as Yankee tanks, the cheeky bastards sold them to us 6 tons lighter!!! And the weight loss was frontal armor, we have tricked them to suit our needs, and we have altered the engine pack, we DON'T send it to the states for rebuilds!!!!
Blandy086 6 months ago
Wasn't there a " run-off " between the Leo2, and the M1A1 Abrams tanks in Australia, by the Army ?!!
MrJeffreydunson 6 months ago
You all know that we run our abrams off diesel and not that stupid zp-1 jet fuel the yanks use. Jet fuel in a tank does make it go faster, but after 2 hours they're dry and need juice! I mean 2 hours combat time for an active modern tank!? WTF happened to endurance, the leopard could go for 3 days and was a waaay smaller target. i'd prefer a leopard with modern armor any day over an american zp-1 fueled abrams!
heffyg101 8 months ago
The Abrams tanks you guys are getting down under are not "second hand", they are brand new and the latest M1A1 variant. There is no real difference in the capabilities of the Leo 2A6 and the M1A1. The major advantage the Abrams has is its extensive combat history. The Leo 2A6 is largely untested in actual combat. Important for working out bugs.
ringoffire02 8 months ago
@ringoffire02 Mate out tanks are 2nd hand. production of brand new m1a1 ceased late 90's the a2 just rekitted old a1. just watched a doco National geo Ultimate Factories M1 tank. Ya can see in that. ya can even see our tanks aus getting refubished. note the kangaroo on the turret.
marleymeathook1975 8 months ago
@ringoffire02 sorry mate they aint new, there used m1a1, but pulled apart clean fully refurbished with mostly new and upgraded systems, rest assured that after a few years these tanks will b among the deadliest in the world.
defiant18 4 months ago
Should have bought the Challenger 2 off the british , might have gottem cheap , i think they still owe us an aircraft carrier
rolsdotcom 9 months ago
why'd we go and buy the abrams over the diesel powered leopard 2?
AustralianPyro 9 months ago
@AustralianPyro I know! plus the Leopard 2 is faster and has more firepower then the Abrams plus its armour is the best you can have on a tank. We need more tanks anyway.
xGUERILLAxxxWARFAREx 8 months ago
@xGUERILLAxxxWARFAREx
correction, it's top speed aint faster and it uses the exact same 120mm gun as the abrams, but it has a greater combat effectiveness due to it sucking less.
it does however, run off the same fuel as the rest of our vehicles, it's warmup time is measured in seconds, not minutes like the abrams, and engine maintenance can be performed by bogans -something which we have in great quantity in Australia.
AustralianPyro 8 months ago
@xGUERILLAxxxWARFAREx: The Leopard 2 isn't much faster, both can drive around 70 Km/h. If you're unchoking the Abrams, it would go about 200 Km/h, but runs out of Fuel. Also the Leopard doesn't have more Firepower, the Abrams have the way better Ammo, and has a longer Range of Fire. And the Armor on the newest Variant is very tough too.
TankNutJohn89 8 months ago
@TankNutJohn89 Can u explain what unchoking the abrams means, and how it allows the tank to go 200 kmh ?
defiant18 4 months ago
@defiant18: The Abrams is throttled, it can't go faster than it used to be, his speed is limited due his fuel consumption, thanks to his turbine the Abrams acclerate faster than Leopard 2, in hard terrain both can't go over 30 mph. On a Street without turns & with enough fuel the Abrams could drive 200 kmh due his turbine, the Leopard 2 reached 116 kmh on a german Autobahn.
TankNutJohn89 4 months ago
@AustralianPyro Any Abrams will run off diesel. The engine is designed to run off of a number of fuels.
discofishing 7 months ago
@discofishing
did you copy that one right out of the salesmans pamphlet?
AustralianPyro 7 months ago
@AustralianPyro Never saw one. Do some research on turbine engines. They have benefits over piston engines.
discofishing 7 months ago
@discofishing
do i need to direct you to blacktaildefence's exhaustive video series on the abrams...?
AustralianPyro 7 months ago
@AustralianPyro is that anything like "combatreform"? I'll take a look. I believe the Leopard 2 is an outstanding tank and the Germans have set a precedent building awesome tanks. However, the M1 Abrams has a combat record the Leopard 2 just can't hold a candle to. You can test all you want in peace time, but combat is the ultimate validating environment. The AGT1500 will run off diesel, gasoline, JET-A, and marine diesel and a number of other fuels. Try to find a -10 operators manual for the M1
discofishing 7 months ago
@discofishing
yes, it -can- run off diesel, and in fact, the australian abrams do, (due to logistics constraints)
but, and here's the kicker, for an army like the ADF, we have no ability to do engine rebuilds of the agt1500, (as a turbine, something that needs to happen more often than a clunky diesel) we need to send them back to the manufacturer - in the US.
AND we need to do it more often than the yanks do, because diesel shortens the lifespan of the turbine.
AustralianPyro 7 months ago
@AustralianPyro Interesting. In the US Army, our tanks run off the same fuel that our trucks run off of. It's called JP8. It powers everything now, from trucks, hummers, tanks, helicopters, planes, generators, boats and what not. It's is pretty much the standard fuel for the US military.
discofishing 7 months ago
@discofishing
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AustralianPyro 7 months ago
@discofishing
also, we're a nation of bogans, many of which are diesel fitters, it's more logical to have a tank with a diesel engine along the likes of the Leo2, the purchase of the Abrams was a political one, not a military one.
AustralianPyro 7 months ago
@AustralianPyro Does the ADF send the T700 engines from their Blackhawk helicopters back to the states for depot level repairs, inspections and rebuilds? Does it do the same with T55 engines from their Chinook helicopters? If there exists a local depot in Australia for helicopter turbine engines an jet engines, then I find it rather hard to believe there isn't the capability to overhaul AGT1500. AGT1500 is a similar engine to the T700 which it competed against (lost) to power Army helicopters.
discofishing 7 months ago
thats a american m1 abrams firing over iraq not in australia
jjmaxx16 9 months ago
Why was there a minimum of Australianisation on the paintwork. I'f they're our tanks, I'd have thought they would be redone in 3 tone colourscheme and Auzzie decal markings.
TheManWhoSpoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoSpoke This video is from 2007. The Aussie Abrams are currently in the process, if not completely, repainted with our 3 tone. Google some pics from the Australian International Airshow 2011 we had down near Geelong, Victoria somewhat recently. They look nice.
Nighthawk117 10 months ago
fuck making our own tanks, i want a better rifle...not a huge fan of the Steyr, give me an M4 any day.
MarekUtd 1 year ago 2
@MarekUtd I agree im sick of it.
HARLOTx69 1 year ago
i think we should have bought the Merkava Mark 4 isralie tank, idk if they would have sold them to us but i think we should have made a bid for them. and you cant really go wrong with isralie stuff haha. i just think it would have suited us better but the M1A1 is very good none the less
jamesboy46382 1 year ago
Australia is hopefully the future
turkanator123 1 year ago
See I like coming in here. Every time I check out a video about Americas M1A2 there are a bunch of haters in there talking trash on America. People can't just appreciate a tough quality tank. But you Aussies have all good things to say. Its nice for a change.
drgnkng08 1 year ago
@drgnkng08 well you will find that because we arnt so politically correct
IIZODIIAC 1 year ago
Why build your own when you can purchase the Best Tank ever built brand new?
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
wow some pretty outrageous posts being made.... our abrams arent second hand... why buy them from the manufacturer then add modifications.. give us alot more credit than you are....... Australia doesnt have to worry bout many things, and if we were to worry about who could invade us then think about china even america would be overrun by the chinese... anyways our budget is enough for our DEFENCE force... key word DEFENCE. thats why its called the ADF!!!!
Blandy086 1 year ago
I think the idea of these Tanks are so our Army/Troops can be more intergratable into US operations. Whether the Tanks are any good defending Australia in the outback terrian remains to be seen.
grl8862 1 year ago
i beg your pardon, this is simply crap, we need a new thinking, new ppl in power, and must say good bye to the old murderous ways,
lunafringe10 1 year ago
I hope most of you can't / don't have children, god help this country if the next generation is being raised by you uneducated, redneck keyboard warriors..
sanitynomore 2 years ago
huh? their american tanks dude.
BurningHeretics 2 years ago
yeah this vids actually a trailer for the introduction of the Abrams to the troops, i was a bit confused to before i found out.
spitfireMK22 2 years ago
@BurningHeretics there also australian fool
rogueorange 2 years ago
that wasn't the original arguement.
BurningHeretics 1 year ago
U fucktard.
boysoldierwar 2 years ago
i didnt know the australians used abrams tanks.i would hav guessed they'd go for the challenger 2 or leopard 2 tanks
dominic970 2 years ago
nah Germany and England wont give us there tanks because there very few.
spitfireMK22 2 years ago
the abrams tank is good but the leopard 2 a6 is better ^^
FASfALUu 2 years ago
Leopard 2 a6 is shit, do u all just play Halo?
boysoldierwar 2 years ago
And we are hardly surrounded by Communist countries, name one that is even that close to us? Vietnam, LOL, u know nothing u stupid fucktard Kunt.
boysoldierwar 2 years ago
Idea's like urs Capelle79 got alot of countries overrun in many wars including WW2, Australia could logistically be invaded easily by the USA.
boysoldierwar 2 years ago
Well, they would definitely know the capabilities of the defence forces. since many of the weapons were bought from the USA!
csskalet 2 years ago
usa would never, ever, invaded a freedom loving country like the Australia nation,beside they bye 1 hell of alot of stuff from us + they are civilized people. alot like american. that don't take no shit! and i'm sure if we (usa) was attacked australia would be on there way over to help put them in there place fast. and beside aussie women are off the hook sharp
Conservativepacheat 2 years ago
Amen!
BurningHeretics 2 years ago
can i just say not one of this tanks where AUSTRALIAN ARMY ABRAMS TANKS
australian1000 2 years ago
Second hand tanks from the yanks hahahaha why the fuck don't we make our own oh that's right Rudd is to busy giving money to plebs
IdunCareLesSn00b 2 years ago 21
FUCKING SPOT ON BROTHER!!!!!!
NAVY76 2 years ago 10
@NAVY76 Yeah, we would be the only country on earth that leaves Defense spending to last and it's budgeted at that. Its our high skill training and the Aussie way that keeps us going.
TKD344 1 year ago
@TKD344
We have the 14th highest defence budget per capita in the world.
We are doing just fine considering how hard it would be for anyone (cept the US not that that would happen) to invade us.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@chrisdef15 No, thats overall dude. Per capita we are 3rd, behind USA and Israel. So person per person, we haul as over 99% of the world.
ceskazbrojovka17HMR 1 year ago
@chrisdef15 dude a place like North korea wouldnt find it too hard to invade, they have like the 4th largest standing army in the world and they only show what they want to so chances are there is a lot of technology they have that we dont know about
jamesboy46382 1 year ago
@jamesboy46382
No offence but learn abit more before commenting.
North Korea has has no capability to touch us at the moment. Yes they have a huge army but they have no way of getting it here. To invade Australia any country would need a very large Navy and Air bases in Indonesia or a bunch of carrier battlegroups and alot of transport ships. None of which NK has.
They could use civilian planes or boats but would be slaughtered by our Airforce and Navy.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@chrisdef15 and where did you get that information? the KPA is so secretive about everything it does. iv only seen one photo of its fighters on the internet which is of a a Mig. there arnt an photos of any of the KPA's military equipment because they are all banned so whats to say they dont have have huge number of transports? or even stealth aircraft. and australias current air force is rather usless i have to say. with around 75 F/18's and 20 F/18F super hornets NPA migs would win with numbers
jamesboy46382 1 year ago
@jamesboy46382
sigh....
There is plenty of info available if you do a simple google search.
Transports are large ships and would easily be spotted by satellites.
They are thought to only have about 30-40 Mig 29's the rest are all old obselete planes from the 70's and none of them can fly here anyway its too far.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@chrisdef15
if you think everything you read by doing a google search i dont know what to say. you think everything on that is correct? its rather easy for a country to hide what it does the internet isnt the all great seeing eye you seem to think it is. on transports i was talking about planes which are easy to hide and airliners are easy to use. btw 30 mig air superiority fighters would make destory a lot of our airforce but chances of enough of our airforce mobilizing in time are very slim
jamesboy46382 1 year ago
@jamesboy46382
Wow you talk some crap.
Why would a country hide what it has? Countries want the world to know what they have. The only secrets are new technologies which i really doubt NK has any of.
Again for the third time, NK's MIg's cant fly here, they are completely meaningless in this coversation.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@jamesboy46382
And on your comments on our Airforce they are all we need to protect Australia against anyone but the US. Our Navy and Airforce is specifically designed for protecting Australia by stopping anything from crossing the ocean and actually making it to Australia.
Invading a country is alot harder then you seem to think.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@chrisdef15
im sorry but the US isnt the only country in the world with an airforce, a country like China could take out our airforce over night. also the UK could wipe us out if they really wanted to. also on our navy. ships move rather slow if you didnt know. a place like china could take out the few ships that were in the way b4 we could mobilize anything to intercept the target.
defending a country is a lot harder then you seem to think.
jamesboy46382 1 year ago
@jamesboy46382
sigh, more crap.
China doesnt have the capability either, yes they have a large airforce, but only a tiny portion of it could make it here.
And no the UK with its one old carrier couldnt "wipe us out"
Basically everything your saying is rubbish.
if you really want to be schooled send me a pm so i can actually explain why your wrong properly but otherwise im done replying.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@jamesboy46382 The US Navy could effectively take on the rest of the world and win handily. There are 14 or so supercarriers that exist the US has 12 of them, As far as air forces are concerned the US air force is Light Years ahead of the rest of the world. no one could invade the US. China could try but their navy would cease to exist rather quickly. The US spends as much money on defense as the rest of the world put together no single country would even have a chance.
paintsvillehs 1 year ago
@paintsvillehs they might have a big navy, but for them to actually invade and occuoy a country is alot harder than u think, they are at there limit as it is now, they couldnt possibly take over any more big countires, let alone the rest of the world. and no country would dream of attacking Australia,
defiant18 4 months ago
@defiant18 Thats not what I meant I meant that the United States would thouroughly clusterfuck anyone who dared mess with australia. As for Australia and the abrams they bought them for two reasons. 1 The australian army wanted something combat proven. The Leopard and challenger are equal with the abrams, but never have really seen combat like the abrams. and 2 because we buils thousands of abrams and were able to sell them to australia for a very cheap price compared to the other tanks.
paintsvillehs 4 months ago
@paintsvillehs lol cluster fuck, see wat u mean. ( :
defiant18 4 months ago
@paintsvillehs The Challanger saw plenty of combat in Iraq. Infact compared to the Abrams , it did much better.
Antifaith29 3 months ago
@Antifaith29 It never really got to go one on one with Iraqi Tanks. The british had very small roles in both iraq wars, The Challenger is a very good tank, but is in no way better than the abrams.
paintsvillehs 3 months ago
@paintsvillehs its first combat use came in March 2003 during the invasion of Iraq. 7th Armoured Brigade, part of 1st Armoured Division, was in action with 120 Challenger 2s around Basra. One in particular was hit directly by fourteen rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile , the crew survived to tell the story. I'm not sure what you mean by very small role considering the english helped set the whole thing up , they had SASehind the lines before both wars >>
Antifaith29 3 months ago
@paintsvillehs and in Afghanistan , royal Marines have played a major part along with 2cdo ( australian) SAS and SASR.
I swear some people think america did it all alone. It's a little insulting, especialy to somebody that was there.
Antifaith29 3 months ago
@Antifaith29 Dont worry, the people that think that are the people that arent soldiers. We know who is backing us up and we DO appreciate it. More then you know. Dont ever think everyone here in America is ignorant, cause I would fight for Australia any day!
Kegan643 2 months ago
@paintsvillehs Im not baggiung the Abrams either, it's a great bit of kit, it's only real problem is the logistic chain required to keep it operational. I know those gas turbines can use almost anything as fuel but they need a shitload of it compared to other tanks.
Antifaith29 3 months ago
@Antifaith29 But compared to what the US did it is a very small part of the war. However I am very thankful to our british allies for following us into that stupid war. As for the abrams we supplied the australians with the Diesel variant that has decent fuel economy. And the part about the Damage the Challenger took, the Abrams has the same armor, only we added the DU mesh. What america did with the abrams was take the best parts of the best tanks and make something spectacular.
paintsvillehs 3 months ago
@paintsvillehs I know about the diesle motors in the Australian Abrams, i used to be in the Australian army. Was 7 brigade- 6 bat ( rar) motorised infantry. Gunner standing out the top of a bushmaster. Love those girls ;)
Antifaith29 3 months ago
There striped and refitted, with more advanced technology then current US Abrams in service, except for the US abrams also getting stripped and refiited. which they are basically equal too.
Capelle79 2 years ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b..1. The tanks are refitted to the highest spec of any current Abram in the world, still 2nd hand but for all intents and purpose brand new.. 2.. We don't have the technology / industry to build arguably the worlds best tank.. 3.. The Rudd government didn't order them the Howard government did.. 4.. Retards like you should try learning something before posting..
sanitynomore 1 year ago
@sanitynomore 5. getting second hand tanks from America has got to be better than getting second hand tanks from Germany. XD
ih8v8s 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b because the cost is 2 much for a nation the size of Australia..
Thats why....That and the Abrams has more tank on tank kills than all other modern main battle tanks!!!!!!
TheChristianRight09 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b because you lack technical know how, generally only educated societies posses said know how.
mrjimbeam2009 1 year ago
@mrjimbeam2009 Lol I can't tell if you are being serious or not
SimonLuvsMetal 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b giving money to school for bloody halls, bloody useless, voting for Abbott on saturday
shiyboy4 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b blame the Howard government for buying these shit tanks & the shit seasprite.
DenwarTheoriginal 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b
LOL do you realize what making new tanks would cost? Why bother when the Abrams are basically the best tanks in the world, especially with the mods we made to them.
Also they are secondhand but completely rebuilt to new, they didnt just send us there old crappy ones with old parts.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b Spot on brother! Apart from the Rudd part, Abrams was a Coalition aquisition.
73XR673 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b the m1a1 tanks for the ADF were brand knew. there is even a doco on the descovery channel about how they were made and they went to the factory. the ones being build in the show are for the ADF if you dont belive me look close and you will see the kangaroo painted on the front of the turret
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
@HONORGUARD308 you can paint anything on to a tank. if youy didnt know our tanks aren't the default american desert mono-colour anymore, they are now painted in the Australian Army tri-colour being black green and brown.
StunnedMutha 1 year ago
@StunnedMutha strange cus when i was at the puka tank range and 5 drove past me they were painted tan but that was like last year i think. when did they get re painted?
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
@HONORGUARD308 yea, no. All this has only happened recently. 1 Bde's 1st armoured regiment only just recently decided to australianise our fleet of m1a1's and m88a2 hercules'. im not sure if their all finished yet, the last tanned m1a1 i saw was a few months ago but ive lately been seeing the tri-colour ones too ; ) then again i am on leave atm. A mate of mine told me it takes something crazy between 150-170 hours to fully paint one -heaps of coats of paint :)
StunnedMutha 1 year ago
@StunnedMutha do the new ones look nice? i would love to see the new paint job. i like the australian tri-colour camo its so easy to figger out who they belong to
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
@HONORGUARD308 yea mate they look awesome. It actually looks as if they belong to us now, they look quite the part.
StunnedMutha 1 year ago
@HONORGUARD308 bollacks. they were rebuilt M1A1s with diesel engines added instead of the gas guzzling gas turbines. They are still a (very) poor man's C1 or C2.
dpsherry 1 year ago
@HONORGUARD308 pal, did u have ur ears closed while watching that doco..The doco is about our tanks bein REFURBISHED, they are second hand M1A1 US tanks, that were returned from the field{iraq n so on} then stripped down and refurbished So they are second hand.
defiant18 4 months ago
@defiant18 Dont be a smart ass, no one likes a smart ass and trust me the ones we have are pretty much new. I think iv being around these enough to know whats up with them.
HONORGUARD308 4 months ago
@HONORGUARD308 so now they are" preety much new", im just pointing out u were wrong, and no 1 likes a dickhead. they are used american m1a1 that were pulled apart refurbished with mostly new equipment. that isnt new.
defiant18 4 months ago
@defiant18 I know what im talking about, and FYI no its not "mostly all new" its all new the only thing that is not new is the armour and if we melted that down and rebuilt it then it would be 100% new as it was when it came out of the factory it was 99% new
HONORGUARD308 4 months ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b Its also because we don't have the industry, because howard and rudd were too busy letting them get screwed by the chinese
ANutful 1 year ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b You have no experience???
Omfg,second hand,the Abrams is one of the greatest tanks...
Germanyisthebest1 10 months ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b you dont cuz you dont fucking need to? if i dont live in the ghetto or involved in a turf war or another similar allegory, but still would want my kin prepared and have equipment to practice with, i'd even just consider virtual training. its no wonder rudd was running the country and not your kind.
thekaizer666 7 months ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b Funny considering these were bought under Howard, you fucking retard. Oh and please tell me what part of Australian industry would be able to make a totally new and modern main battle tank. As for second hand.. all these tanks went under a total refit/refurbishment. Meaning every single part was checked and either fixed or replaced depending on its situation.
Kirkzzy 6 months ago
@IdunCareLesSn00b You do know the 'yanks' use second hand ones as well, The US has not made a single new Abrams since the 1980s - The US Army and Marines use second hand refurbished M1's then turn them into M1A1 - juts like ours
jimmymifsud1 4 months ago 2
AWESOME................
ClarksonsinUSA 2 years ago
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fuck Australia and Australians - fuckin convict DNA
RifledBarrel 2 years ago
Oh, and ofcourse, it had to be a Brit who said it. And where did those convicts come from? Great bloody Britain. Why? Cause you lost the 13 Colonies to militias and didn't have a big offshore Alcatraz anymore. Hah!
Nighthawk117 2 years ago 4
no we lost 13 colonies to france and holland if it had been just US vs GB we'd have won, you owe your independence to france, holland oh and the native americans who you then slaughtered. hah
14th20thKRHkickass 2 years ago
France helped, but not that much. Took their time getting over here too, for experienced navy who did the trip across Atlantic faster than anyone they took forever (probably on purpose) and stopped half way to do war exercises.
You just don't want to admit GB got beat by colonial militias with support of French and some Spanish.
Native Americans? Some were fighting with and against us (whom Britain paid to do so)
You want to talk about indigenous ppl getting slaughtered? GB is master of that!
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
Britain only had a fraction of its force deployd in America, of course you'd know that if you had bothered to read the history books that were written a long time ago (rather than the new ones which simply re write lots of the stories and miss details out kind of like hollywood actually)
On the interent your people talk like they've ruled the earth since the 1700s, you guys weren''t#1 until the 1950s and you will not stay @#1 for as long as we did, china is soon to take over....enjoy that one
14th20thKRHkickass 2 years ago
I've never said we ruled the Earth, especially since 18th century and not even today do we rule the world. Sure we're the sole superpower but yea we don't rule everyone. We're not GB we don't go around colonizing countries and "ruling them" ok.
Wait I got all my facts from hollywood, didn't Mel Gibson defeat your British army single handedly? ha ha!
face it, GB was the world superpower, biggest navy, most experienced military and lost to American militia who were way outnumbered/outgunned
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
hahahahahaha you see thats where your wrong, you weren't outnumbered...we were thee were 400,000 participants on your team, 25,000 on ours...read a book! im not saying you said that anyway, its the image alot of americans portray on the internet. mate if we still had the empire guess what Iraq afgahnistan and 9/11 wouldn't have happened becuase we owened about 60-65% of the middle est including iran, iraq and afgahn.
like i said i like america #1 ally but you guys speak down to us all too much
14th20thKRHkickass 2 years ago
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
damn r those number accurate it wouldnt surprise me if britain had more
cluegoo69 2 years ago
Um hard to get accurate numbers I think that was in 1775 but by 1783 Britain had 480 ships in the Royal Navy but another big factor here is what kind of ships, Continental navy were pretty crappy frigates and Britain had like 100 ships of the line.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
yeah that makes sense
cluegoo69 2 years ago
And feeling is mutual you guys talk down to us an awful lot too, I guess it's the case of chicken and the egg, who started it first. Every country has it's fair share of arrogant idiots who talk a lot of damn shit.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
fair enough, in my defence i only reply to peoples comments. like i already said I am a big fan of american people but these online arguements between 2 ally nation pisses me off to the extent that i become embroiled.
14th20thKRHkickass 2 years ago
Yea I agree, it's obnoxious and pointless. But you shouldn't let it get to you so much, this is the internet afterall and like 30% of the people on here just came to talk shit without any fear of consequences. There are a lot of these type of jackasses in America doing it but it's everywhere really.
I can understand friendly rivalry or competition but some of that stuff just goes way beyond it.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
Ok maybe we weren't greatly outnumbered, we were outgunned and vastly inexperienced fighting the most experienced and armed army. Our navies were not even comparable. US navy was LOL. 20 crappy ships that got obliterated easily. Royal navy largest in world, 250+ ships, 170,000+ sailors, but when France and Spain joined it was deprived superiority. They can have all the credit on the naval battles. Also the war was started 1775 ended 1783. France joined 1778, Spain and Dutch in 1780.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@Nighthawk117 So I guess when asked by the Australian customs when I enter Australia if 'I have a criminal record?' then the answer should not be 'sorry, I did not realise I still needed one'
stujb 1 year ago
mate thy come from our country you fool
14th20thKRHkickass 2 years ago
Fuck John Howard & his poxy defence minister!!!
Leopard 2 was the way to go!!!
and all those Abrams chassis's are fucked!
DenwarTheoriginal 2 years ago
fuck armoured corps!! INFANTRY best corps in oz . RAINF!!!!!!!!!
DizTortion09 2 years ago
Leopard 2, much better! the army wanted those, but due to politics they bought the abrams
Pirofutura 2 years ago
The only thing better about Leopard 2 is fuel consumption. It's more successful commercially because of that and being cheaper, easier to produce.
You want an extremely technologically advanced, hard-hitting, well protected, fast and powerful tank which is the most combat proven in the world today? Well you guys
bought em.
And you Aussies even use diesel fuel in yours to simplify logistics and cheaper for you, we use jet-fuel for same purpose.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
leopard 2 is technologically advanced, it i very hard hitting and agile, the only place it lacks against Challengr 2 and M1 is armour
14th20thKRHkickass 2 years ago
they are the best tank but what gun is on it because Australia isn't the richest country and dont put a lot of money into the defense force
and the Americans have the 105mm gun and the 120mm smooth bore i just want to know what gun we have
assassinwarz 2 years ago
120mm smooth bore L55 cannon, firing tungsten Anti rounds
Pirofutura 2 years ago
The aussie abrams has the same Reihnmetal L44 120mm smoothbore as the american version. Don't worry, we wouldn't sell you blokes any second hand garbage. You all bought some fine war machines
TheAnalyst7546 2 years ago 2
better not sell us garbage
lol jks
any way thanks
assassinwarz 2 years ago
Australia isnt the richest country... you fuckers have the 14th largest GDP and there is only 22 million of you. your defence budget is FUCKING HUGE for your population and defence force size. It has to be, your surrounded by communist countires and others that are unstable, you guys are the military power in your region, you have to be too keep things stable. If Australia was'nt there, Papua New Guinea , New zealand and a buch of others would be speaking indonesian!
Capelle79 2 years ago 2
lol i said we not the richest country because America, Russia, china are the richest (i dont no the statistics)
assassinwarz 2 years ago
The Aussies have THOSE? WHOA!
DEP717 2 years ago
bloody good tank, just that 59 i don think is enough. Maybe another 16 more.
Huzzah89 2 years ago 2
The Abram is so godamn AWSOME
rhiordan88 2 years ago 2
THE TAM 2 IS BEST
enzogta 2 years ago
mate get my sights in a tam 2 & u r fucked
cunyox 2 years ago
by the way goose green my bro fought there so think be fore u speak
cunyox 2 years ago 2
shhh noob goose green fuck your name is PRADERA DEL GANZO no goose green australian bitch
enzogta 2 years ago
dick head u r a loser fuck why dont you come meet me face to face dick head
cunyox 2 years ago
Love this ongoing talk about the 'Chinese Threat"...brown water navy...inneffective air force populated by early-late model Russian fighters (which even Russia cannot maintain), fairly good SAM capability...so what do you have - an insular war confined to 20 miles off shore...not quite on par with 21 B-2s loaded with 18 TacNukes per boat...good luck though...
hdmccart 3 years ago
American steel, Australian style!
Huzzah89 3 years ago 3
hell yeah *high five
lurenceo 2 years ago
who cares why would China want to go 2 wat with Aust anyway? wats here? why would they bother?
panzerputney 3 years ago
australia has some of the highest natural resources in the world including uranium.
panzerelite88mm 3 years ago
we just sell it to anyone and everyone thou
it's alot cheaper just to buy it from us... that said.. we're sitting on over 70% of the world's raw uranium here
2x4b96123 3 years ago
China is a poor,over populated,smelly,desgusting country and thats all it is,its military is weak if u tested one of their normal soldiers to a trained soldier like an aussie
Stewo998 3 years ago
thats the most stupidest comment made on youtube,congratulations.
panzerelite88mm 3 years ago
stupidest comment ay...wat world do u live in
panzerputney 3 years ago
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the Chinese have more people in their army than the US has in total numbers of citizens, they have over a million jet fighters, a million tanks, their training is very harsh and diciplined (because naturally they don't give a crap about their soldiers welfare), they are tough and they have numbers so they could invade ANYONE if they so chose
2x4b96123 3 years ago
WTF dude i think bullshitting there they do not have 1 million jetfigthers and tanks or the total number of personnel in the army is the same of the population of the US. the only true point u wrote was they do not give a fuck abt the soldiers welfare.
krisna106 3 years ago 3
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ok an exaggeration, but just 1% of their population being employed in the military means 13 million troops right there, and you can be damned sure it's more than that!
2x4b96123 3 years ago
its 1.5 million mate not 13 million, get off the crack pipe
codsta23 3 years ago 5
@codsta23 6.21million per tank. a good armoured car cost 1.5million
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
do dont know what your fucking talking about.
helghasttrooper5073 2 years ago
The Chinese have old equipment, jets, tanks and ill disciplined conscripts.
The Chinese invasion boats would never make it out of the dock.
DereBoyy 3 years ago 2
China = Quantities soldiers
America= Qualities soldiers
SH0TTYMAD 3 years ago
where not talking about america, but your right.
helghasttrooper5073 2 years ago
i coulda swore i posted another comment here but be buggered if i can see it. anyway i said what with all the treaties with various western nations we all know a chinese invasion of australia wouldnt go unopposed or unanswered. If it did then the world would have sunk pretty damn low
Shaggynz 3 years ago
seriously armouredcore you gotta be deluded if you think 20 million aussies could hold off 2 billion chinese. Training of the average aussie soldier sure as hell is better than most and the equipment is right up there with the best but shear weight of numbers would swamp you.
Shaggynz 3 years ago
i am awear of that. but china does not have a large enough navy and little resources to be able to get to us, and other countries are not going to sit back and watch it happen. i am also trying to tell this stupid turkey to stop insulting our military.
armouredcore507916 3 years ago