If the old rules were in place at these games shannon would have won gold...crazy how stupid rules can ruin gymnastics...sad that its still happening today
this may be a controversial statement, but Shannon's vaulting in 92, 93 and 94 are the types of vaults that were missing in Silivas' incredible arsenal of skills. Had Daniela executed THIS vault in Seoul, there is NOTHING that the russian judges, Nelli Kim, or the atomic bomb could have done to keep her off the middle podium. I mean, Kim would have stood up and awared the medal to her right then and there. These vaults are really a work of art.
Shannon picked up a 9.975 for the 1st vault a 9.980 would of put her in 1st place!!! The first vault should of picked up at least 9.990 the vault was high & clean with excellent body shape, toes pointed, legs together, arms extended & landed perfectly! 2nd vault not as good, she had a little step back which she disguised well but legs came apart slightly in mid flight! She was robbed of gold here! Gutsu vaults were terrible.
@leeny11 She placed a controversial second to Tatiana Gutsu of the Unified Team (who in fact didn't qualify for the all around, and replace "injured" teammate Roza Galieva).
@12bmills i always think that the judging always accounted for certain "the human body settles as it meets the ground-its not a robot" movement. If you look at the first comaneci bars 10, she has a tiny hop forward in the landing. I always thought the perfect landings meant that the athlete was in perfect complete control of the skill within the arch of movement, not that they're a block of concrete that lands standing up (this is what the new code wants these girls to be. its a disgrace)
@ViardotVSGrisi I think the definition of perfection has evolved over the years. In Nadia's time, I think if the whole routine had perfect execution and grace, the judges would score it a 10 even with a hop. Now, it's every small detail in a routine.
@12bmills I agree with you and I rebel against the current definition. today all you hear about is the idea that "this is a sport of deductions" and this sport is more than quantitative. this stuff used to be fun to watch, and even shushunova had a very particular brand of grace that is missing today. Everything is too streamlined today, Khorkhina was definitely a throwback.
There is no doubt in my mind the AA was rigged to an extent. Gutsu didn't make it to finals ... then got put in ... and then wins? Kind of like in 1985 when Shush and Omelianchik didn't qualify to AA but replaced their two teammates that rightfully made it and then won.
Fixed or not, Shannon was the clear winner at these Olympics.
Well in each of those cases the person did not make it only due to a fall, it was not that their abilities were lacking. So it is not surprising when they were put in by coaches they each won.
Did Shushunova really not make it into AA? I did not know she fell, or her teammate, thats weird because her team won the team comp. But I guess so did Gutsu's and Gutsu fell.
Yes, in 1985 neither she or Omelianchik made it to AA finals. Baraksanova and Mostepanova did but they got pulled out due to "injury". That was also when all scored counted towards the AA so Shush and Oksana were already starting at a deficit.
I agree. She should have had perfect marks on both vaults. But no way would the judges give a gold to an American over a Russian. Gutsu shouldn't have even been in the AA finals - what a cruel joke.
Actually I'd say she deserved a 10 on the first vault but not the second. If you look closely her right foot slides back a bit. If it had stayed put I think she would have gotten a 10.
If the old rules were in place at these games shannon would have won gold...crazy how stupid rules can ruin gymnastics...sad that its still happening today
LCAmarkymark 2 months ago
this may be a controversial statement, but Shannon's vaulting in 92, 93 and 94 are the types of vaults that were missing in Silivas' incredible arsenal of skills. Had Daniela executed THIS vault in Seoul, there is NOTHING that the russian judges, Nelli Kim, or the atomic bomb could have done to keep her off the middle podium. I mean, Kim would have stood up and awared the medal to her right then and there. These vaults are really a work of art.
ViardotVSGrisi 4 months ago
Shannon took over all silver for the all around competition
seanvilla710 8 months ago
Shannon picked up a 9.975 for the 1st vault a 9.980 would of put her in 1st place!!! The first vault should of picked up at least 9.990 the vault was high & clean with excellent body shape, toes pointed, legs together, arms extended & landed perfectly! 2nd vault not as good, she had a little step back which she disguised well but legs came apart slightly in mid flight! She was robbed of gold here! Gutsu vaults were terrible.
seanvilla710 8 months ago
what place did she get in this competition?
leeny11 1 year ago
@leeny11 She placed a controversial second to Tatiana Gutsu of the Unified Team (who in fact didn't qualify for the all around, and replace "injured" teammate Roza Galieva).
MaebySurelyBarely 1 year ago
Impresionante, los 2 saltos son de 10.
LOMGIFLORUM 2 years ago
This 9.95 was slightly better than Tatiana's because Tatiana's chest was lower, but Shannon's right foot did go back a bit.
12bmills 2 years ago
@12bmills i always think that the judging always accounted for certain "the human body settles as it meets the ground-its not a robot" movement. If you look at the first comaneci bars 10, she has a tiny hop forward in the landing. I always thought the perfect landings meant that the athlete was in perfect complete control of the skill within the arch of movement, not that they're a block of concrete that lands standing up (this is what the new code wants these girls to be. its a disgrace)
ViardotVSGrisi 4 months ago
@ViardotVSGrisi I think the definition of perfection has evolved over the years. In Nadia's time, I think if the whole routine had perfect execution and grace, the judges would score it a 10 even with a hop. Now, it's every small detail in a routine.
12bmills 4 months ago
@12bmills I agree with you and I rebel against the current definition. today all you hear about is the idea that "this is a sport of deductions" and this sport is more than quantitative. this stuff used to be fun to watch, and even shushunova had a very particular brand of grace that is missing today. Everything is too streamlined today, Khorkhina was definitely a throwback.
ViardotVSGrisi 4 months ago
sabina tune
chungm381 2 years ago
Ah, it sucks that she didn't win these games.
UltimatumHS 2 years ago 13
Gutu is the 92 winer whatever you say!But Miller, Milo,Bogi great gym too!
delodemi 3 years ago 7
There is no doubt in my mind the AA was rigged to an extent. Gutsu didn't make it to finals ... then got put in ... and then wins? Kind of like in 1985 when Shush and Omelianchik didn't qualify to AA but replaced their two teammates that rightfully made it and then won.
Fixed or not, Shannon was the clear winner at these Olympics.
TuesdayPillow 3 years ago 13
Well in each of those cases the person did not make it only due to a fall, it was not that their abilities were lacking. So it is not surprising when they were put in by coaches they each won.
russianskatingfan 3 years ago
Did Shushunova really not make it into AA? I did not know she fell, or her teammate, thats weird because her team won the team comp. But I guess so did Gutsu's and Gutsu fell.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
Yes, in 1985 neither she or Omelianchik made it to AA finals. Baraksanova and Mostepanova did but they got pulled out due to "injury". That was also when all scored counted towards the AA so Shush and Oksana were already starting at a deficit.
TuesdayPillow 2 years ago
bah. she should have won. no doubt.
gymiskrunk 4 years ago 5
does anyone know if someone has this entire competition posted...if so could you tell me who please?
gymnastman919 4 years ago
Two members do. meme0304 and Lyssenk0.
russianskatingfan 4 years ago
She is freaking awesome. Too bad she didn't win.
usagurl14 4 years ago 2
amazing AA gymnast. AMAZING.
HoneyGotMeHooked 4 years ago 2
I agree. She should have had perfect marks on both vaults. But no way would the judges give a gold to an American over a Russian. Gutsu shouldn't have even been in the AA finals - what a cruel joke.
pellebravesskylar 4 years ago
Actually I'd say she deserved a 10 on the first vault but not the second. If you look closely her right foot slides back a bit. If it had stayed put I think she would have gotten a 10.
rfillangi 4 years ago 4
Perhaps you're right. But I think I still would have given her the gold over Gutsu.
pellebravesskylar 4 years ago
yeah, but with the scoring at the time she should have gotten a 10. they were given the higher of the two scores.
bunnierabbits 2 years ago
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Best gymnats in those olympics...
gymnasticsforever17 4 years ago