A Culture War Between Hollywood and Pahrump, Nevada?

[Peteman12]

I only saw this recently, but I just though how depressingly close to Quebec on this matter.

[roaringwaterbay]

law may be unconstitutional.

[delbard1]

several assorted points: if think America shold have English as an offical languge to avoid the problem Candians have w/ English/French Candians tell me the problems they have about that.

ALL AMericans should be required to take a forien(?) Languge as part of their education

In Pittsburgh, its common for Irish Flags to be displayed in houses.

Pallrump is good on 1 thing: prostition is legal

[tonyac42]

The problem of that would be voting issues mostly.

These people are just way too lazy learn another language and cannot speak English anyway. It won't be long before they say ungood instead of bad.

[Michaeloakley13]

dude i live in pahrump, its way bigger than just that. the whole town is run by complete morons. greedy bastards too.

[jackbelias]

She should get out, she doesnt like it here. We arent living in France, Mexico, Norway, etc... If someone immigrates here they are beholden to place their loyalty here and only here. Hispanic people can learn how to speak english if they want to move here.

Once again the ACLU takes the wrong side. They used to want a separate church and state, now they fight to force Islam on American students. The ACLU doesnt care about the constitution, they never did.

[terrafirma91]

Wow, Glinior00 lived Pahrump in the corrupto days. The town ordinance only applied to town business documents.

[murdaman702]

pahrump is still corrupt...yhe whole town schools and all I know from 1st had experience

[terrafirma91]

murdaman702: From what I've heard, the Mormon Church controls everything from behind closed doors. If you aren't Mormon you won't get hired at the Post Office, or have "special access" to other town perks, and privileges. That's just what I've heard from people who have lived, or are still living there.

[murdaman702]

u'r absolutely right....u dont matter out there unless u r Mormon or have lived in Pahrump all your life....also the town is being screwed up now because rich people moving out there from California are starting to take control

[cman2050]

the aclu and hollywood should just STFU and stop trying to change America. its always fat women who are rejected by society at the ACLU because they feel rejected by society and this is their way of pissing people off

[Glinlor00]

I lived in Parhump for a long time, its a dusty crap hole of a town, their leaders are all stupid and corrupt (Red Dryer, Wade Lieseke to name two)

[werebear1]

I am not religious, but "TOWER OF BABEL" Comes to my mind every time I see this issue. The fact is, if you want to become a member of any society, You are the one that has to adapt to it. I am not against speaking multiple languages, but we all need to be in the same page in order to get along and therefore, Knowledge of English should be required for anyone ostenting to become a US citizen.

[KiwiTwist03]

Okay, I really don't get your "Tower of Babel" reference. The crux of that story was the separation of language. If you remember correctly, it was a punishment because everyone spoke the same language. That was the major reason for the separation. So, to use that reference confuses me on whether or not you are for or against a unified language.

[alexcastellanosleon]

Are you serious?!

OK, so how come when tourists come to Mexico they don't even learn spanish? shouldn't you first learn the languaje, THEN come to Mexico if you think that way?

[jackbelias]

"OK, so how come when tourists come to Mexico they don't even learn spanish?"

If the tourists are staying for good they had better learn spanish. The latinos in question here are not tourists, they intend to stay forever.

The ACLU left an important detail out on purpose. There was no attempt to ban the speaking of spanish. The law only involved official town documents. The ACLU came in claiming that latinos had been put into prison for speaking spanish at home.

[number154]

I think the ACLU was complaining about the blatantly unconstitutional flag ordinance, not the official language part, which is a pointless act of dickishness but is probably constitutional.

[microkurbioh]

dear liberalviewer,

most of the people who fly spanish fags are illegal aliens. so the town was right to ban the aliens to fly their flag like they are american. here is a question for you should the aliens be treated just like real americans like me? or should they be kicked out of this country, and the ones who have been here for five years have limited rights. you decide and respond. so overall next time do a better job.

your conservative rival,

microkurbioh

[LiberalViewer]

microkurbioh: "should the aliens be treated just like real americans like me? or should they be kicked out"

Art. I, § 8 of the US Constitution gives Congress plenary authority over aliens with strong power to deport. While they are here, however, they are still PEOPLE. And, if u read the Bill of Rights, u will find that the word "citizen" does not appear but, rather, that the government is prohibited from depriving "any PERSON" of liberty w/o due process of law.

Thx 4 comment :-)

[alexcastellanosleon]

Don't you mean mexican flags?

[iamtexas]

My friend you'd be hard pressed to find many illegal immigrants from Spain, hence flying the SPANISH flag, in the United States. Try some geography lessons before telling people to "go home."

[gamerunknown]

@microkurbioh

Haha, "rival"? Also, assuming you aren't a native American, they can probably date their ancestry back in the country longer than you can.

[jjones1987]

You should read Sam Kastensmidt's book "Indefensible: 10 Ways the ACLU is Destroying America." His book is well researched and all claims made in the book are backed up by provable facts. All the claims are referenced in the book and you can look them up yourself. In the back of the book he lists all of his claims by chapter, in order and references where to go and find them!

[LiberalViewer]

jjones1987,

Instead of spamming my videos with an ad for this anti-ACLU book, how about posting some of those supposed "provable facts" that you claim show the ACLU harms America? I know a fair amount about the ACLU, so I can probably correct your misinformation.

In FACT, the ACLU is made up of over 500,000 patriotic Americans fighting for almost 100 years to protect fundamental liberties for us all.

Thx 4 comments :-)

[prrolg]

Yerk3 I consider you an "intellectual". Here is a quote I want to show you. "Intellectuals are in fact people who wield the power of the spoken and written word,and one of the touches that distinguish them from other people who do the same is the absence of direct responsibility for practical affairs. (cont'd)

[prrolg]

(pt 2) This touch in general accounts for another-the absence of that first-hand knowledge of them which only actual experience can give". Joseph Schumpeter,economist. Yerk3 get a history degree or see a history professor.

[yerk3]

That quote is simply a rhetorical diss on intellectuals, and is completely irrelevant to this argument. For one thing, nobody alive has "first hand experience" in the events leading up to the Civil War, everyone who was alive then is dead, and has been for decades. All we have to go on are the written records and objects from the time to base our conclusions on.

[prrolg]

The implication in the quote I gave you went completely over your head. It had nothing to do with the Civil War at all. Note the words "in general".Actual experience in this case could mean actual scholarly experience in Civil War studies.Maybe a masters degree or PHd. It could mean anything,note the words "in general". The point is todays "intellectuals" lack responsibility or experience but not power. A sad fact of the times.

[yerk3]

So, are you saying that you have a PHd in the history of the Civil War? Since, by your own reasoning, anyone who doesn't is simply an "intellectual" who doesn't know what they're talking about. If you're implying that I haven't done enough research, you would be wrong yet again. Nothing went over my head, your accusation simply missed the mark, and now you are masking it behind pretensions of intellectual superiority.

[prrolg]

Thanks for making my point all the more strong.

[prrolg]

yerk3 wrote - "So,are you saying that you have a PHd in the hstry of the CW? Since,by your own reasoning,anyone who doesn't is simply an "intellectual" who doesn't know what they're talking about."

I never reasoned any such thing! I simply tried to make the point that you lack experience in a subject(the CW) in which you seem to want people to think you are an expert, which you definitely are not by your answers. (cont'd)

[prrolg]

(con't) An advanced degree WOULD give you such experience and with it,weight to your assertions concerning the CW. Thnks

[colossus999]

A state language is very limiting, provides a hostile attitude for our immigrants, who have always been the lifeblood of our country, and has nothing to do with liberty or anything else. Why should we care about flags? Are we so afraid of treason that we cannot let a person celebrate their cultural heritage? I'm 40 some percent Norwegian, and my family is very rich in Norwegian culture. I'm fly a Norwegian flag without an American one if I want to.

[asuburbanprincess]

Jamestown, VA - had Native American, English, and African Languages. New York was settled by the Dutch and had about 53 languages spoken there. Delaware - Swedish. Florida - French, Spanish, and later English. To be "English only" is not only denying our diverse history, it is limiting Americans in a global age, where knowing a variety of languages will only increase ones knowledge and opportunities.

[prrolg]

The State of South Carolina can no longer fly or display the old Stars and Bars of the Confederacy any longer by law. You had better not even have it on your coffee cup if you work for the gov't. To some people that symbol is just tradition and not subversive to the US. The ACLU says what?

[yerk3]

The confederate flag may be a symbol for tradition, but not a very nice tradition. The Civil War was about slavery. The Confederate "heroes" were fighting for slavery. Today, the flag is used as a symbol of hatred and intimidation, and marks anyone who wears or flies it as ignorant and racist. I doubt many other flags, barring perhaps the Nazi flag, could be used in this manner.

[prrolg]

But the confederates were not fighting for slavery. The war was economic.The North kept the South down economically. The South had a way of life that had little to do with slavery for most people and the flag does not symbolize racism,hatred or intimidation at all for people today. The North was not fighting to end slavery either. The history is much more complex on both sides.The ACLU should support the right to fly this flag properly.

[yerk3]

The war was indeed about slavery. The secession was about the abolition of slavery. The North and South were part of the same economy, and both were harmed by the secession. The South didn't want to give up their slaves, and that was what the war was ultimately about. Everyone who fought for the South, no matter what nationalist ideologies they'd been indoctrinated with, were fighting for this end.

[yerk3]

And sure, the Confederate flag doesn't mean the same thing for <i>all</i> people. The problem is, the same could be said of the Nazi flag. What matters is that the Confederate flag was used heavily by the KKK and other hate groups, and is still used by people nostalgic for a time when blacks "knew their place."

[prrolg]

You are totally wrong about everything you said. I'm from the northeast and even I resent it. You've touched on a subject,the civil war that is too long a subject for debate on yt. My point was about the flag and would the ACLU support the right to display it in light of this video.

[yerk3]

I'm from the Northeast too, and I can't see why you resent it. The flag cannot be discussed without at least mentioning the war, that was the time when it actually was a national emblem, and one of a nation which owed its existence to the refusal of the Southern states to outlaw slavery.

[prrolg]

No. you're missing the Aclu aspect of my comment. Stick within the video and visit a civil war historian/expert and read him your comments and ask him to discuss it with you.

[yerk3]

The Confederate flag is a hate symbol. The flag cannot be discussed without understanding its context and history. The flag is the symbol of the C.S.A, which existed for a brief period of time, over a century ago, and owed its existence (and by that virtue, the flag's existence) to the idea that a human being had a right to own other human beings.

[prrolg]

yerk3 said "the confederate flag is a hate symol" then went on a mindless rant. yerk3 is a hate symbol and he's heating up.Also he speaks about the south and history from 100 years ago.Not knowing anything about it does not seem to matter to him. Oh well!

[yerk3]

You're talking shite, friend. I did not go on a meaningless rant, I explained why the Civil war and the history of the flag were pertinent to any discussion of the flag. Sure, the civil war happened over "100 years" ago, but guess what, that was about the time that flag had the most meaning. And the whole bit about me being a "hate symbol" is not only an attempt at mindless rhetoric, but a rather ham-handed one at that.

[prrolg]

Anyone who would take your lecture on the Civil War seriously would hear crickets chirping and drowning you out in the background.Apply for a job teaching Civil War history and let me know how it goes. It'll be good for a laugh.

[yerk3]

I stand by what I said, the Civil War was about slavery, the establishment of the Confederacy was about slavery, and by virtue of this, their flag is a symbol of slavery.

[prrolg]

As industry in the North expanded it looked to the Southern markets rich with cash from the lucrative agricultural business to buy the North's manufactured goods. It was often cheaper for the South to purchase goods from abroad. In order to protect the Northern industries,Andrew Jackson (more)

[prrolg]

(prt 2) slapped a tariff on many of the imported goods that could be manufactured in the North. When S.Carolina passed the Ordinance of Nullification in Nov. 1832,refusing to collect the tariff and threatening to withdraw from the Union,Jackson ordered federal troops to Charleston. (more)

[prrolg]

(prt 3) A secession crisis was averted when Congress revised the Tariff of Abominations in February 1833. Liberal Viewer, don't worry.I do not plan to clog your channel any further.Just wanted to show a little perspective. An economic reason for the CW 1860.

[yerk3]

If the tariff was revised, and the secession crisis averted 30 years before the war, what was the cause of the war itself? Slavery. The South would not relinquish their slaves, and that was what the secession leading to the civil war was about. The flag's reason for existing is the Confederacy, and the Confederacy's reason for existing was the refusal of the Southern states to abolish slavery.

[prrolg]

God you are a fucking myopic idiot. I'm not going to help you anymore. You keep it up and you'll stay that way.

[yerk3]

You've gone far enough out on a limb in order to prove that the Confederate flag somehow does not represent racism, slavery and intimidation, and is in stead a symbol of Southern "heritage," rather than the emblem of a failed attempt at a nation, founded on the principle that it was the god-given right of a white person to own human beings.

[prrolg]

I haven't gone out on a limb nor have I proven anything.Just tried to broaden you myopic understanding influenced by your twisted hatred.If you think I've shown that the CSA flag represents much more than slavery than you are certainly welcome.Thnks :]

[yerk3]

I have no "twisted hatred." I have looked at the issue from several angles, and the logical conclusion is that the Confederate flag exists because of the CSA, and the CSA existed because the Southern states chose to rebel rather than abolish slavery. It is also true that the Confederate flag was used extensively by the KKK to intimidate blacks.

[prrolg]

As I said,you are myopic.

[yerk3]

It is not myopic to state facts. The South had an economy that depended on the plantation system, and the plantation system depended on a massive supply of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Therefore, in the interest of maintaining the status quo, they chose to secede, rather than risk any financial complications from abolition.

[prrolg]

I didn't say stating facts was myopic. I said you are myopic.

[yerk3]

I think you are misusing the word "myopic." I already explained to you why the Confederate flag is a symbol of slavery and ethnic violence, and your response it to bring up obscure facts on some crisis that was resolved three decades before the war.

[prrolg]

Explain how you are not myopic. Websters 9th collegiate dictionary states in part. "A narrow view of something a lack of discernment. A condition in which the visual images come to focus in front of the retina resulting in defective vision of distant objects. Allegorically speaking that last one seems especially perfect.

[yerk3]

Where is my lack of discernment? I am going by solid historical evidence, you are proposing a ridiculous theory, seemingly ripped from Southern propaganda and bolstered by irrelevant occurrences resolved decades before the secession that resulted in the war.

[prrolg]

Pseudointellectualism on your part. I gave you a small slice of true history. You are a new leftist. Forging ahead with a new beginning. A utopian who will make a better man and a better world. You negate the past and thereby history by narrowing it, squeezing it into your little box of slavery and hatred. Your lack of discernment lies in a refusal to open your eyes to history. Read! Learn! If you can

[yerk3]

You are spouting meaningless rhetoric. The available historical record indicates that the Civil War was fought because of slavery. The "slice of true history" you brought up was only marginally relevant. It may have led to some resentments, but the war itself was, according to the bulk of scientific fact, about slavery, or more precisely, the South's refusal to outlaw slavery.

[prrolg]

The "available historical record" is available to everyone except you apparently. Scientific fact? Don't take up baseball. You'll be tagged out for being "off base".

[prrolg]

New book about the Civil War written by yerk3. Page one "The civil war was all about slavery." Page two, bibliography and notes(blank). The end. Marketable because it has a double use. You can shave with it in the morning. VERY THIN. EH?

[yerk3]

To the contrary, the available historical record is available to everyone but you. The tidbit you brought up is far outweighed by the bulk of the historical record. You're clinging to marginally relevant factoids and coincidences in defense of your notion that the Confederate flag is some legitimate symbol of Southern heritage, and that the Civil war was indeed the "war of Northern aggression" that deluded Confederate apologists claim it to be.

[prrolg]

yerk3 said "The tidbit you grought up is far outweighed by the bulk of the historical record" A bulk I noticed that you have ignored. What I gave is an example of history to show to you. YT is very limited (500 characters) and is not the place for a prolonged debate. That is why I suggested to you to look into Civil War history. You obviously won't do that. So I've wasted enough time,too much time already

[yerk3]

I have looked into Civil War history, and the most reliable data indicates that the Civil War was about the South's refusal to abolish slavery. It is all very obvious. You are digging into irrelevant data in order to bolster an ever-weakening position, then using hollow and ridiculous accusations of "twisted hatred" for lack of a better argument.

[LiberalViewer]

prrolg,

I'm not sure about the specific S. Carolina law u mention. When the gov acts as an EMPLOYER it gets more control over EMPLOYEES under the Pickering test (see, eg, my vid "Fox News Misreports Christian Flyer Punished as Hate Speech"). As to whether the ACLU will defend the right to display that flag, see:

tinyurl(.)com/38jav7

Thx 4 comments :-)

[prrolg]

Thanks. I'll look at it.:]

[prrolg]

Section 702(b) of Bush's Kennedy/ Kyl/ Reid immigration plan shot down by congress, forbad the gov't from diminishing any existing right under US law that concern services provided by the gov't in languages other than English. This would have effectively elevated Clinton executive order 13166 to the status of US law without congressional review or public consent. The devil is sometimes in the details.

[prrolg]

You can google Clinton executive order 13166 and read all about it.

[spongebathe]

ethnocenticism, plain and simple.

[soultaker76]

Anyone who thinks that Pahrump was making it illegal to speak other languages is mentally retarded. Making an official language means that paperwork is done in only English and there is not a requirement to accomidate other languages. This doesn't mean you can't speak it.

[GeorgePedrosa]

I thought your country was the country of freedom.

[prrolg]

It is and a country of laws also.

[GeorgePedrosa]

Yeah. Laws which are supposed to uphold freedom, not the contrary. Making ilegal to put a flag in my house? Give me a break... north corea probably has more freedom...

[bigchew14]

Where is "North Corea"?

[asuburbanprincess]

Also, some of those board members in Pahrump, Nevada should realize that their state was part of Mexico before the United States aggressively took the territory in a war and there were people speaking Spanish and other indigenous languages there before they were speaking English.

[soultaker76]

If the border was moved (which it was) then the people who were once in Mexico are now Americans. This was in the 1850s. Therefor when someone sneaks in the country from modern Mexico and claims that the border crossed them, they are a liar. They were never in this area or they would already be Americans.

It's funny people use this arguement in support of Mexico, a country that keeps troops on its Southern border to keep the Central Americans out.

[prrolg]

So there is your statement. State a point to go with it. I am sincerely curious of what you think.

[asuburbanprincess]

From the very beginning our nation was diverse and had a diversity of languages. Many of our founding fathers, like Thomas Jefferson, were multi-lingual, and saw the benefits of speaking many languages and understanding many cultures.

[asuburbanprincess]

From the very beginning our nation was diverse and had a diversity of languages. Many of our founding fathers, like Thomas Jefferson, were multi-lingual, and saw the benefits of speaking many languages and understanding many cultures.

[asuburbanprincess]

Jamestown, VA - had Native American, English, and African Languages. New York was settled by the Dutch and had about 53 languages spoken there. Delaware - Swedish. Florida - French, Spanish, and later English. To be "English only" is not only denying our diverse history, it is limiting Americans in a global age, where knowing a variety of languages will only increase ones knowledge and opportunities.

[asuburbanprincess]

Thought provoking video! I think the whole idea of a "culture war" is a right wing construct to simplify issues and I think your video does a good job of debunking this and illustrating the complexity of most issues.

[Jabulon88]

a norwegian peace-researcher and professor, Galtung, has said that history shows a correlation between a cultures involvement in its peoples sexuality, and its degree of violence, like wars and conflicts and so on. this means, a culture devoted to its peoples sexuality, are bound to create more conflicts, if hes right of course...

[gt95stang]

This is your second video about Stuido 60. Basing my opinion of that show solely upon the clips you've provided, I just have to ask: Was that show better when it starred Martin Sheen and was called The West Wing?

[cowmandude]

Yes, i think the anti-immigration/foriegn culture movement isnt something thats really a liberal v conservitive issue. We have president bush pushing for amnesty, with both republicans and democrats supporting him. I think its healthy to see that idea's are starting to break out of the "sets" theyve been put into like liberal and conservitive and moving more towards just being ideas that no one is inclined to support based on opinions on totally different topics.

[avalsonline]

to learn a language, especially late in life is hard.however it forces the non english speakers to learn it which makes it easier on the rest of us

[p00lman]

This country was founded by IMMIGRANTS. Some arrogant self-righteous people are freaking insane.

[sakisimple]

After watching "Thank you for smoking" it is quite clear that some of the more vocal conservatives are acrtaully liberals and some of the liberals are as radical and crazy about some of their opinions as Rumsfield and his 30 man team at the Pentagon in controlling our minds like hitler did.

[stranger2Utube]

good point my friend

[stranger2Utube]

good point my friend.

[dvdrink]

what's wrong with Hee-Haw?

[michoux26]

This post is so good it's provoked a second comment. I am married to a woman from Mexico. I also am a college teacher. Despite the fact my wife speaks english much better than my students -- and my wife has learned english in only the last 7 years -- she still speaks spanish better than she speaks english. As a result, she likes to read about important and/or complicated issues in spanish. It has nothing to do with her refusing to learn english.

[michoux26]

Thanks for this one. This is an especially good post! The tendency to overgeneralization about people from partical places seems far too common. Yet, the solution is not, I think, to avoid comments altogether. The solution is to try to be accurate by being aware of relevant subtleties. For example, I often hear people blur the distinction between expecting people to speak english and expecting people to speak only english. This is an important distinction!

[lilrebel212]

thanks for the upload!

[stephenparis]

things would be pretty boring if we all thought the same

[dejahthoris]

It's a complicated issue. As far as English, most people from other countries already speak english, or if the parents do not, the children will not only speak english, but will be just as firmly embroiled in our culture as our kids are no matter what the laws are. As far as Americans in other countries- it may be harder for us to learn another language!

[Toxxic88]

"Can't we all just get along?" , not as long as there are dumb rednecks who say english only.

[pennilesscripple]

Great question, LV! I live on the buckle of the Bible Belt, and though I love my neighbors, I rarely agree with them politically. There may be some correlation between geography and socio/politico/cultural views, but I'd say it really has more to do with tribe than location, and the tribes have been scattered all over the country. And yes, we can all get along. I ain't been shot yet!

[Foober]

Entertaining video.

[Urgelt]

A Los Angeles motorist asks *that* question? "Can't we all just get along?"

The obvious answer is, no, we can't. There will always be tension between those who would restrict freedoms, and those who would enjoy them.

[tippingpts]

Wow, i just saw that studio60 episode for the first time and it's one of the best tv shows i've ever seen

[lumnar]

I don't think the english only movement is really an example of the culture war or at least, it's far on the periphery. Most peope (or many people? :) think of the culture war vis a vis the silent majority and all that dreck. As someone pointed out, Pahrump has legalized prostitution. I would consider that more on the Hollywood end of the spectrum than on the Colorado Springs, think-of-the-children side.

[JOYOUSONEX]

Excellent vid!! 5 STAR!! by the way, what is a pahrump?

[tippingpts]

LiberalViewer, somebody should give a contract to go mainstream. you do this better than any other news network out there.

[lumnar]

Hehe, but then he'd be a sell-out and he'd have to water down his show. Next thing you know: "Is Paris hotter than Angelina Jolie? I youtube, you decide."

[ilikestuff712]

lmao

[FluxRostrum]

I think all stereo types exist in all places... the concentration fluxuates place to place... but anyone can go anywhere and find people that agree / disagree. Sometimes it can be on an issue by issue basis. Stereotypes seems to amplify themselves when there's a large group of the same together. One on One poeple seem to respect each others opinions more.

[tippingpts]

if pahrump was aware of the economic ramifications of limiting free speech, then it wouldn't do it.

[tippingpts]

first of all, the only good thing about pahrump besides being a expanded trailer park is the legalized prostitution. second, it's not really a culture war, but pure xenophobia, the kind that has the potential to harm democracy.

[pennilesscripple]

well put

[ilikestuff712]

Well, thats a huge toughie... all im gonna say is...

"When we are so sure we are right, We ACT so wrong"

[dankman38]

There are people on both sides of almost every issue throughout this country, we are a nation born of dissent and compromise.

As far as "can't we all just get along?", the answer is NO. As I stated above we were born of compromise, but there is always that person or group of people who will refuse to do that due to ignorance or selfishness.

[Jabulon88]

im sure we can agree on the serious issues (atleast the people can)

[DaCoach68]

Good point about corporations running Hollywood. i've argued that re: the "liberal media"...yeah, like CNN's BOARD is LIBERAL. I hear that SO often about AOL (yeah, them)...they're "liberal" -- I can't think of ANY HUGE CORP. THAT IS LIBERAL!

[lumnar]

CNN's board may or may not be, but Ted Turner certainly is liberal or at least a democrat. That's no secret.

[FreeWingz]

hehe.. this is a complicating one.  I'll think about this.