God's word says: if the world hate you, know that it hated me before it hated you, if you were of the world, the world would love its own, but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefor the world hates you.
Wow. You actually made me laugh. Not even kidding.
Do you REALLY want me to point out all of the scientific impossibilities and outright LIES in the bible?
And newsflash, EVERY religion supposedly fulfills said prophecies, predictions, etc. And please, don't even try to assume that the bible predicted what's happening now. You're trying to link vague prophecies to what's happening today.
"challenges doubters to challenge it to see if it is true"
There is absolutely no evidence that homosexuality is innate, there is overwhelming evidence that homosexuality is not innate. The APA stated, based solely on political pressure that, "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."
That statement has been changed since science does not support this assertion.
@Velkar182 I dissagree with that, If your Hetrosexual and choose not to have sex, Not Having sex is the choice, Being Hetrosexual or Homosexual isn't If you think it is...Ask yourself when you made the choice....Because if it is a choice then you would have to Say that Every Person is Innately Bisexual from birth Other wise there would be no choice to make
A conservative doesn't support gay marriage, and a conservative does not support abortion.
Funny you and other homosexuals love to call everyone a bigot that doesn't support you changing the definition of an institution ordained by God to be between a man & a Woman.
By definition the more accurate accusation here is that homosexuals seeking to change the definition of marriage are the bigots.
@ironcross66106 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
All and all does it really matter? if God truly thinks homosexuals are an abomination (which I doubt, since he loves all of his children) does it affect you? NO
And to correct you: you don't have to be in doubt if God is against homosexuality, it CLEARLY says so in HIS word.
Also yes it does affect me, it affects my children who have to listen in school how homosexuality should be treated the same as same sex relationships.
Then myself as a parent must explain to my child that the teachers are wrong.
I am a conservative Republican, but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process. -Barry Goldwater
@JoshTruff See I dissagre with that becuase there are other rights that are included in Marriage but Not included in a Civil Union...It goes Way beyond simply sharing property.
And Marriage is a Right Not a Privilage I mean Really Go Look up the history of Interracial marriage you can find the same arguments there as they are using against gay marriage, So are you against interracial marriage because the bible is against it as well ???
@CrazyCarnieCory then you should be fighting to change civil union or creating your own union with its own name as it is not marriage, marriage is a religious practice involving a man and a women. It (to me) is like ripping out the core of something replacing it with a completely different structure and calling it the same thing. Sure you can do it if you want but i dont see the point
@JoshTruff So then waht about people how prctice another religion??? if Marriage is simply A religous practice then why does their marriage contian the same rights if it is not done in accordence with Your religion??? That is the same thing as ripping out the core of your beleifs and replaceing it with a completely diffrent structure and calling it the same thing? i'm In currently making a vid to show how the same arguments are used against people of diffrent race
@CrazyCarnieCory Their religions do not rip out the core and barely change any of the extremities. The closest thing i can think about is multiple wives which is also a little edgy and violates my thoughts of marriage and in my opinion they are not married. Same with gay marriages they can go ahead and do it but I would not call them married and i would appreciate it if they did not lie to themselves and others.
The bible is against homosexuality clearly stated in Lev:18:22 so christians want to make laws against homosexuals...The Bible Is also against cutting the hair on the sides of your head and trimming your beard as stated in get this...The same book of the bible Lev19:27 funny how christians don't want to pass laws against Haircuts Or how about Lev19:19 do not Wear clothes woven of two kinds of material. gonna pass some laws against the Fasion industry???
If you take out the man woman thing, you have no marriage.
So are you a Bigot towards heterosexuals?
Websters: the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
This is what a marriage is by definition, so clearly what homosexuals are trying to do is re-define what a marriage is.
You have a complete lack of respect for human decency.
@ironcross66106 Actually it would apear a have a greater respect for human decency then you do considering the fact I am defending against disscrimination while you in fact are defending it. if you take out the man and women thing it still a marriage. it is the leagal binding of two people and the rights that it intails with it, you would deni people those rights based on sexuality??? but besides that are you against the civil union of of gay people as well
@ironcross66106 look you can argue the definition of the word all day for all i care..because in the end it doesn't really matter, because you are just using the definition of the word as your basis for your discrimination...
@ironcross66106 Um as I pointed out to you before under the same book in the bible Lev19:27 cutting the hair on the side of your head is a abomination to god a well, but i don't see people picketing outside hairsolons, or Lev19:22 do not wear clothes made of 2 diffrent fabrics but your not protesting against the fashion industry...you pick what you want to beleive and ignore the rest
@ironcross66106 So You openly admit That You are FOR denying gay people their Constitituional rights....For example..Married people can't be made to testify against their spouse in court....Married people are given tax brakes From the Government...Married people are allowed to have their spouse coverd by their medical insurence....But You say that you would deni people these rights based on their sexuality because of your religious beliefs....But It's Not discrimination!!!!
No, No if you are trying to redefine what a marriage is, it would be you, who are discriminating against what a marriage is by definition.
That is as ridiculous as suggesting if I don't agree a man can be considered a Mother than I am discriminating against homosexual men that want to be called a Mother.
I dont see how anyone could be christian and say theres nothing wrong with a homosexual lifestyle.Thats like saying I'm a christian but hey if your a satanist thats cool too.My point is there both sinful behavior in the eyes of God...well if you believe in the bible anyway?By the way I hate sin not the sinner we all fall short especially myself.
it's interesting how different people can view the same thing so entirely differently from each other, in this case for example I take the opposite view of the poster of the video in all but one case. The bible does in fact state that homosexuality is an abomination, this is true, and if you ask me that is reason enough to disregard the entire book completely.
However a question: Ironcross, do you really think that your argument is going to sway any homosexuals? or people not of your faith?
You said: The bible does in fact state that homosexuality is an abomination, this is true, and if you ask me that is reason enough to disregard the entire book completely.
You see this is the problem, many in today's word do not want to follow and serve God, they want to create a god for themselves, one that will permit any deviant behavior they want to participate in. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
Whether or not the bible says that homosexuality is a sin, it also says, love thine enemy, it says, turn the other cheek, and it says that we are born with the inalienably right of free will. So the case could very well be made that Obama while in his personal life takes the view of the true christian as you say he is willing to tolerate other walks of life in public policy.
This to me suggests not that he's a liar but that he is an individualist when it comes to religion
Now you may disagree with me but as he clearly states in that debate how he personally feels is different from public policy making him possibly at worst a bit split between himself and his politics.
To me that signals strength of character, to be precise the strength to admit that what he himself believes in might not be what all other people believe in or necessarily want to believe in.
I think that's a very important political stance in a multicultural society.
God's word clearly say's: if the world hate you, know that it hated me before it hated you.
If you were of the world, the world would love his own, but because you are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of this world, the world hates you.
To me a lie doesn't signal character, nor strength.
@ironcross66106 The point I'm trying to make is that he isn't lying but merely has a different interpretation of the same source material, and I would hazard a guess that you haven't put any homosexuals to death. so how does his interpretation differ from yours in that it isn't a literal interpretation of the bible?
I am not a christian, which means that I don't agree with either of them, but I appreciate Obama not making people like me live according to the ways of his religion.
Many like you, do not understand what is written within God's word.
God's word say's For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
This is also confirmed in 1st Corinthians 6:9
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
@ironcross66106 Not sure exactly what point of mine you were addressing there but I don't believe in god nor the bible so what the bible says is of little consequence to me, I might be wrong on this and if I am I'll know after I'm dead but, it seems to me that if what you're saying is that Obama is the sinner mentioned here then I still don't see what the sin is because he himself has not sinned according to those passages in any way that you can prove, merely allowed other people to do so.
The whole point of the video is to show everyone that just because you claim to be a Christian doesn't automatically make you one.
And this is the point of the video, to use as an example of what a true Christian is, and what one in name only is.
If you are a true Christ not only have you put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ, but you also hold dear what His word says, and Obama clearly does not.
@ironcross66106 Boy! you would not be happy in my country... I guess my gripe here really, that is, the most central issue, is that you believe that these things are wrong, where as millions of people don't agree with you. Now if a law was passed that said that abortion was legal in the states then for you to be right with God you'd only have to mind your own house so to speak. whether other people choose to have abortions or not really is none of your concern in the religious sense.
@ironcross66106 I must ask at this juncture: how many true christians are there actually in the world today? That is a serious question by the way.
Also how would suggest that homosexuals be treated by the law ? I mean should homosexuality be outlawed as a whole? or take other creeds or walks of life, atheism should atheism be legal? Should atheists be allowed to marry? How about Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam etc? Again I'm not trying to trap you with these questions they are sincere.
@ironcross66106 Well we don't agree on much but as long as you don't try to interfere with my way of living then I won't try to interfere with yours no one can ask for more really.
@ironcross66106 Im sorry bro, this is such an ignorant and almost arrogant statement, Im from this country but for you to make that claim is very outlandish. what about the missionaries all over world preaching the gospel to nations that have never heard of the name Jesus Christ? What about the hundreds, possibly thousands of church plants that have been made all over the world, specifically in third world countries? We are charged to go and make disciples of all nations, make true christians
@ironcross66106 our country says we're Christian but are we really? I know the statistic that over 70% of the nation claims to be Christian. If that statistic were true shouldn't our nation's values look more like Christ's and than the "American Dream". Your statement "I believe there are millions of true Christians on the planet, and most are in America" says that America holds the majority of the true christians as you used the word most. As you know we are charged to shine our (next post)
@fmendozajc light before men so that it points to Christ. If our nation is such a beaming radiant light of God's love and mercy, than why hasn't the rest of America hopped on board? We isnt the 70% of our nation that claim to follow Christ actually living out their faith. Now I am not saying that there aren't any true christians here in this country but definitely not as many as you claim. This country is a vast mission field that the "70%" of our populace is failing to harvest
@ironcross66106 Im sorry that I said that your comment was arrogant, I wish to retract that word from my comment, it was wrong of me to take it in that manner because my comments can easily come off the same way towards you or anyone else for that matter. I dont know you personally, your character, nor the tone which you have in your mind. I apologize but I do believe your comment is still ignorant as explained in the following comments
@ironcross66106 Boy! you would not be happy in my country... I guess my gripe here really, that is, the most central issue, is that you believe that these things are wrong, where as millions of people don't agree with you. Now if a law was passed that said that abortion was legal in the states then for you to be right with God you'd only have to mind your own house so to speak. whether other people choose to have abortions or not really is none of your concern in the religious sense.
Homosexuality obviously both is and isn't a choice. One's sexual orientation is not a choice; I don't choose which persons I am attracted to. But obviously one's sexual behavior is a choice; I do choose my sexual partner. There, problem solved.
Marriage can and always has been understood "in principle" APART from procreation. This, obviously intelligent, man must know that the origins of marriage were formed over 10,000 years ago to create alliances between clans to insure survival in war against rival clans. Marriage (and it's PURPOSE) should be determined by the two consenting adults getting married.
There were so many laws about what you could and couldn't do with your slave. Kill your slave? sure. Kill anyone else's slave? No, unless you are willing to pay for it.
Societies change, moralities change. Marriage, today, doesn't have the same implications. Is a economic institution. In that sense, the daft's argument is invalid.
We have artificial insemination and we have adoption. Those are not incidental. How a child is conceive is incidental. How a child is raised and loved isn't.
@ironcross66106 Indeed. Therefore I believe that you understand that "God's word" is a silly phrase to me.
I'll just ignore that. The thing about job today = slave yestarday... that's just false. But not being able to difference slavery from freedom is a property of religion.
Thanks for the video tho. It's good to know what Obama thought.
@ironcross66106 But, you don't live under a Theocracy that panders to one set of religious beliefs.....so, attempting to apply your beliefs to others is silly and futile.
Gods word does not rule in the USA. A secular government does.
Isn't it silly to pretend you are engaged in some epic struggle with evil, when you live in a country that places a greater value on liberty than religion?
@ironcross66106 "Any government that is not ran by...... is evil."
Yet....every morning you make a choice to wake up in an evil Country. Why should anyone else invest in your choice to be unhappy?
Christians are in no way obligated to engage in or participate in federal Civil Marriage. They are free to restrict their unions to the Church of their choice and remain unaffected by Gay Marriage.
Obviously it's not a sin to be gay. if God made us all, then he himself created homosexuality. It is biological and not a choice. An innate characteristic should be given equal right.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor ( homosexuals,) [a] nor sodomites,
nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
With all due respect what is, or isn't a sin is not determined by jaypMTL.
Allen Keyes, is the man...people need to take responsibility for their children, procreation can only take place via x + y in humans, not x + x or y + y
And i thought that Jesus taught tolerance and love for all human beings. Can we not look beyond someone's sexual preference and share a mutual respect for huamn life? Why must we pull people apart over the small differences, and not be united in the similarities?
@ironcross66106 I didn't say that homosexuality wasn't frowned upon in the Bible. All I said, was that Jesus (God incarnate) never mentions homosexuality in any direct passage. Which is true and I challenge you to find a passage where he does. I don't understand your idea that I have judged the act of gay as right or wrong or what truth God hid from my heart . If I wanted a bible lesson, believe me I wouldn't come to youtube and listen to ironcross66106.
@ironcross66106 I didn't say that homosexuality wasn't frowned upon in the Bible. All I said, was that Jesus (God incarnate) never mentions homosexuality in any direct passage. Which is true and I challenge you to find a passage where he does. I don't understand your idea that I have judged the act of gay as right or wrong or what truth God hid from my heart .
If I wanted a bible lesson, believe me I wouldn't come to youtube and listen to ironcross66106.
The Word of God says what we are to believe on social/sexual relations. Jesus was clear to those of His day on the purpose of marriage (Mark10:1-9; see also Genesis 2:18-25). Now we know marriage between those of the same sex is a popular issue today. The gospel writers quoted the words of Jesus in what would precede His Second Coming "as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man" (Luke 17:26). A total rejection of God's original intent for marriage.
@fothgt "The word of God" was written by people. And we all KNOW that what it says is simply wrong. The earth is not 7000 years old, but 4.54 billion years. Whoever says otherwise is in denial and in conflict with all the good work scientists have done lately.
And don't use the word of any man to try and prove it because you just discounted the Bible because you said it was written by people.
Also prove the Bible wrong.
You have a very big challenge ahead of you, I can hear the google search engine smoking now as he sifts through all the web-sites set up by UN-informed atheists who also hate God, that set up web-sites to try and prove wrong what they themselves cannot understand.
I like how that guy argues (not Obama), but I don't necessarily agree. And this has nothing to do with religion, it's a question of biology, genetics and social order / politics. RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.
An the answer to your question is pretty simple. Neither of these people sound anything like a true Christian. Based only on what I know of these two politicians, I would be shocked if they do not both end up in Hell.
I'm an Illinoisan and I have watched many many of his debates: political, scholastic, and theological. As with most Catholics, I have heard him many time quote the Pope, the Vatican, and Catholic dogma. I have NEVER heard him reference Bible. He might 'sound' like a true Christian, but you know and I know that means nothing. There is only one way to God (Romans 6:23). Calling him a true Christian is like saying the the Third Commandment does not matter.
(cont) It just angers me that there are SO many videos like this about gay marriage and none at all that criticize the much larger problem that already exists. Christians try SO hard to define what marriage is that they don't realize that is is already a ruined institution.
(cont) This is why I am not offended at all that gays want to get married. They are probably going to Hell anyways so why does it matter? Let's make divorce illegal. Let's call out Christians who DO get divorced as breakers of their holy sacrament. Maybe if we can sort that out first, we can bring some meaning back to the concept of marriage and make this other stuff worth talking about.
It is an insult to Christian sensibilities to say that marriage in America is a holy institution. Marriage in America is a irreparable joke. If it were a holy institution, divorce would be illegal. Being married by a pastor does NOT ordain a marriage as holy. Marriage is ONLY a holy sacrament if the husband and wife both have Jesus in their hearts.Their is no doubt that most marriages done by pastors in America are missing this from the start and those marriages are all abominations.
@timtumtoom You definitely made known the elephant in the room, but the one thing I disagree with is that marriage is only a holy sacrament between believers. I see what your saying but in the days of Noah im sure the people of the day defiled marriage as well, believers and non believers, the stench of their sin was unbearable so He wiped them all out. Non-believers are still subject to up keep the holiness of marriage in the eyes of God
if you think being gay is wrong then don't be gay, if ppl choose to have gay marriages who cares...as far as the bible saying being gay is wrong once again who cares, not every one is christian and we don't make policies based on the bible.
@ironcross66106 The self-labeling on one's religious identity is irrelevant. The role of a politician is to influence a sense of balance onto the citizens of a nation. Of course, this is the challenging part for a politician. The truth is, religion needs to be set aside from politics. And there is no such thing as a "true Christian."
A politician decides weather he will be a Republican, a Liberal or a conservative based on his, or her faith and convictions, this includes your religion.
A conservative is in most cases a Christian, a Liberal is usually a secular humanist.
Learn something about the subjects you wish to comment on.
@ironcross66106 With all due respect, I know very well the meaning of these definitions, but as are all things in life, it's not black and white. I don't even know what you're getting at.
Personally, Obama's religious identification shouldn't even be an issue. There are far more important things to think about.
And I'm sorry, you can throw quotes at me all you want, it's not going to solve the issue.
@ironcross66106 Now, you're just twisting what I'm saying. The truth matters to most people. To sit here and debate over the validity of Obama's Christianity is preposterous. If Obama says he's a Christian, he's a Christian. It's absurd that this is his scrutiny. Not his position on foreign policy, health care, corporate greed, various issues concerning the here and now...and yet we argue about his Christianity? Have to disagree with this overall perspective of yours.
The whole point of this video is to teach others that there are people who profess to be Christians, who are nothing of the kind.
I am using the topic of homosexuality to prove my point.
And Obama is in contrast to Alan Keys who is also a professing Christian, and we can see when it comes down to it, who is, and who clearly isn't a Christian.
His faith has everything to do with how he will govern, and we have seen that play out.
@ironcross66106 But my point is that, he's a Christian and a politician. He defines marriage between a man and a woman, and his overall concern in regard to gay marriage is about equal rights and equal opportunity, and that’s a step in the right direction. Gays and lesbians are as much people as you and the next person. Having a strict biblical perspective is fine, but putting a person to govern with that frame of mind is a dangerous for society. It's multi-layered.
@slayerette86m And, with all due respect, I don't think it's right for you to be judging others on how they interpret the word of God. It's not right at all.
@slayerette86m Actually he has every right to judge a professing Christian and to bring to light a false witness. That authority is given to all professing Christians by God's Word. We as believers however should not judge non-believers. Now that does not mean by stating the truth of God's word of what is sin as judging non believers, that is wrong to assume. The bible is black and white on this issue and that is all that a believer can ever state, that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God
@fmendozajc Yes, I agree, he has every right to say that. What I'm saying is that, I don't think its right to judge Obama's interpretation of the bible. Yes, the bible has clear references to homosexuality, but what's the context that it's in. I'm sorry, knowing the oppression that's occurred in history, knowing the pain that people have experienced because of their differences; I simply cannot stand on the other end and judge. I cannot do it.
@slayerette86m It's easy for all of us to sit on the other end, and point fingers and say, "In the bible...it's wrong..."and the rest of that sermon, when you know nothing about the inner feelings of someone's who's gay. I'm sorry, but, you don't know.
@ironcross66106 But the two go hand in hand? A person must combat their physiological needs against God's word. You're essentially asking them to undergo a lifetime of loneliness. All I'm saying is that I empathize with gay people. It's not so easy of a subject.
I don't know, should we? You tell me.
Again, I go back to this, it's easy for you to sit there and say that. You go home to your wife or girlfriend, you wake up next to someone...
@slayerette86m ....,when you go out, you're not worrying about fitting in with society.
Again, it's easy for you to say that.
A lot of people don't like to be alone, so who are the straight women who are going to take one for the team and marry these gay men? It's such a complicated issue and saying, "It's wrong and sinful" just dumbs down the entire notion.
@slayerette86m interesting point but that loneliness that you describe that a homosexual can have from the lack of having a significant other is wiped away by God's love if they are willing to accept it and their sexual orientation can as well be reoriented to the opposite sex if they're willing to give their lives over to Him. God's love is all powerful and all consuming that when we let it penetrate the core of who you are changes and you will never be the same, guaranteed.
@fmendozajc No, I'm sorry, their sexuality cannot be reoriented. That's a preposterous notion. I detest turning this to elementary examples, but here it goes: so, for instance, if we flipped this thing around, you're telling me that you (in this example) could be reoriented to like homosexuals you wouldn't be attracted to the opposite sex. Preposterous.
And, again, it's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what it's like to be gay. This is something you’re born with.
@slayerette86m your right the notion that God's love would reorient me towards the same gender is preposterous. God would never do that and I agree with you, some homosexuals are born that way, we are all born with sin. You are correct that I cannot begin to understand what its like to be gay, I have never had that orientation to the same sex but I do understand sin and the deathly grip it can have on our hearts and the transforming power of God's love that frees us from our sins.
@slayerette86m The cross, the sacrifice that Jesus made for all of humanity simplifies all the complications that humanity has brought to the varying issues of today. The choice we have is to either expect His amazing gift of all consuming love, power and freedom or reject. The cross is the fork in the middle of the road
@slayerette86m thats God's response. He see's his lost children in pain crying out for something worth holding onto. However he cannot come to them unless they accept Him first. If you believe that it is a patted response, it is for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The cross says, I know you have fallen short of what I have designed but Ill give my life, my glory, my goodness, my love, my mercy to you so that you can live whole and perfect and renew your life with me
@slayerette86m Sin tells us that our issues are more complicated than what the cross simplifies them to, but that is not the case. There is power, redeeming power in the blood of Jesus that was shed for all of humanity. The power that tells sin to shut up because it has no authority to speak into our lives because Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world has conquered all sin. The other side that you speak of does cloud our judgement of the issues that we deal with, but God can give clarity to them
@fmendozajc Again, I know where you're coming from, I understand it. I'm not just saying that. I really do know where you're coming from, but that response doesn't solve anything. It's just pep talk.
@ironcross66106@ironcross66106 Repent for what? Homosexuality is a part of life, it's who people are. It's not a choice like choosing what shirt you're going to wear. It's physiological. A person can’t control what stimulates them. It’s conflicting. Again, it’s easy for you to say that. I suggest you talk to gay Christians and get their perspectives. It's not a easy problem to solve.
@slayerette86m "A person can’t control what stimulates them." You are correct thats why all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I also agree that "homosexuality is a part of life, its who people are." We are sinners, born into sin and forever will be seen as sinners apart from having Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. read 2 cornithians 12:9 and hopefully you'll understand why even though it looks hard, its made easy by Jesus Christ
Have you considered the persons feelings who will spend an eternity in hell for not repenting of the sin of homosexuality?
Consider that person who will be thinking of that so-called friend who didn't tell them the truth, and that is you must repent of your sins, and put your faith in Jesus Christ to be saved.
( Romans 10:9-10 )
Can you imagine them say: if they really were my friends, why didn't they warn me about this place.
@ironcross66106 Yes, I have and I do, and that's what makes it the more complicated. I can not side with you, however. Everyone deserves to be treated with equality and respect. God will be the judge, not you or I or the pastor or preacher giving out their anti-gay sermon.
@slayerette86m When you bring to light a false witness it is because that person's interpretation of the bible is false. That person is giving false truth in regards to God's Word and when we as believers recognize it, we are obligated by God's word to expose them and correct them. If anyone claims anything outside of what the word of God says, they must be corrected. Also its not your job to judge it, God has already passed His judgement on it. Furthermore, the actions of God's (next post)
@slayerette86m followers does not nullify His word. I agree with you completely that we as the body of Christ have handled the issue of homosexuality horribly. We should show love, grace, peace, kindness, goodness, forgiveness, gentleness, Jesus. Unfortunately we as a body have failed in this area.
@ironcross66106 im just trying to wrap my head around this, by your statement, "If anyone claims homosexuality is not wrong, and a sin, is clearly not following what God's word says." are you telling me that I am claiming that homosexuality is wrong and while still regarding it as a sin?
@fmendozajc Based on what? You're opinion? How do you know you're right? The person next to you who believes in God and the Word might say the same thing about you.
When it comes to being a politician, a person like Obama has his faith but also has an understanding for certain issues. He is not a false witness and he is not a just witness. He is a man, who believes in God and in equality for all. God forgive his compassion towards others.
@slayerette86m Because of the power of the Holy Spirit that confirms in us when something of God is true or corrects us when we have misconceptions about His word and nature.
Here's the thing, if one calls himself a Chrisitian, are you a Christian or a politician first (in reference to Obama). Also I am not saying that Obama's compassion for the homosexual community is wrong, I have the same compassion towards them, but in light of God's word. As a Christian you cannot support (next post)
9:08 to see why this video has so many thumbs down
PiratesVersusNinjas 1 day ago
@PiratesVersusNinjas
Its funny I agree with you.
God's word says: if the world hate you, know that it hated me before it hated you, if you were of the world, the world would love its own, but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefor the world hates you.
I am in the best company.
Praise God!
ironcross66106 1 day ago
@ironcross66106
Hey ironcross can you please explain to me why YOUR religion is any more true than the THOUSANDS of others?
Thanks ;)
andrewm153351 15 hours ago
@andrewm153351
Christianity is the ONLY religion that challenges doubters to challenge it to see if it is true.
The Bible is the Only Holy book that explained our past, explains what we are now going through, AND tells you what will happen in the future.
ironcross66106 14 hours ago
@ironcross66106
Wow. You actually made me laugh. Not even kidding.
Do you REALLY want me to point out all of the scientific impossibilities and outright LIES in the bible?
And newsflash, EVERY religion supposedly fulfills said prophecies, predictions, etc. And please, don't even try to assume that the bible predicted what's happening now. You're trying to link vague prophecies to what's happening today.
"challenges doubters to challenge it to see if it is true"
......
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
andrewm153351 14 hours ago
There is absolutely no evidence that homosexuality is innate, there is overwhelming evidence that homosexuality is not innate. The APA stated, based solely on political pressure that, "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."
That statement has been changed since science does not support this assertion.
Now please continue.
Temptuous2112 1 day ago
@Temptuous2112 Citation needed. Science does not support this assertion? Proof it bud, I want to see some links
Golgavar 1 day ago
Conservative:A racist, homophobe, sexist, bigot. Really stereotyping???
iiMACHOii 2 days ago
If homosexuality is innate, then can't one choose not to partake of the desire? Doesn't that make it a choice?
Velkar182 3 days ago
@Velkar182 I dissagree with that, If your Hetrosexual and choose not to have sex, Not Having sex is the choice, Being Hetrosexual or Homosexual isn't If you think it is...Ask yourself when you made the choice....Because if it is a choice then you would have to Say that Every Person is Innately Bisexual from birth Other wise there would be no choice to make
CrazyCarnieCory 2 days ago
Well I'm glad Obama (clearly the more progressive albeit a little stubbornly conservative) beat the bigot Mr.Keys.
ngusumakofu1 3 days ago
@ngusumakofu1
Obama a conservative? WHAT?!
Obama is a Liberal, and a FAR left Liberal.
A conservative doesn't support gay marriage, and a conservative does not support abortion.
Funny you and other homosexuals love to call everyone a bigot that doesn't support you changing the definition of an institution ordained by God to be between a man & a Woman.
By definition the more accurate accusation here is that homosexuals seeking to change the definition of marriage are the bigots.
ironcross66106 3 days ago
@ironcross66106 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
All and all does it really matter? if God truly thinks homosexuals are an abomination (which I doubt, since he loves all of his children) does it affect you? NO
ocanator 2 days ago
@ocanator
Yes it does affect me.
And to correct you: you don't have to be in doubt if God is against homosexuality, it CLEARLY says so in HIS word.
Also yes it does affect me, it affects my children who have to listen in school how homosexuality should be treated the same as same sex relationships.
Then myself as a parent must explain to my child that the teachers are wrong.
ironcross66106 2 days ago
@ironcross66106 Also conservatism is not Christianity
I am a conservative Republican, but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process. -Barry Goldwater
ocanator 2 days ago 2
@ocanator
All people have free will and can worship whom ever they choose.
No one is keeping anyone from that in this country.
ironcross66106 2 days ago
"Marrige is not a civil right, sharing propertie is" (or something similar) I now like obama, sorry I'm late I'm canadian i dont really follow him.
JoshTruff 3 days ago
@JoshTruff See I dissagre with that becuase there are other rights that are included in Marriage but Not included in a Civil Union...It goes Way beyond simply sharing property.
And Marriage is a Right Not a Privilage I mean Really Go Look up the history of Interracial marriage you can find the same arguments there as they are using against gay marriage, So are you against interracial marriage because the bible is against it as well ???
CrazyCarnieCory 3 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory then you should be fighting to change civil union or creating your own union with its own name as it is not marriage, marriage is a religious practice involving a man and a women. It (to me) is like ripping out the core of something replacing it with a completely different structure and calling it the same thing. Sure you can do it if you want but i dont see the point
JoshTruff 2 days ago
@JoshTruff So then waht about people how prctice another religion??? if Marriage is simply A religous practice then why does their marriage contian the same rights if it is not done in accordence with Your religion??? That is the same thing as ripping out the core of your beleifs and replaceing it with a completely diffrent structure and calling it the same thing? i'm In currently making a vid to show how the same arguments are used against people of diffrent race
CrazyCarnieCory 2 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory Their religions do not rip out the core and barely change any of the extremities. The closest thing i can think about is multiple wives which is also a little edgy and violates my thoughts of marriage and in my opinion they are not married. Same with gay marriages they can go ahead and do it but I would not call them married and i would appreciate it if they did not lie to themselves and others.
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CrazyCarnieCory 4 days ago
The bible is against homosexuality clearly stated in Lev:18:22 so christians want to make laws against homosexuals...The Bible Is also against cutting the hair on the sides of your head and trimming your beard as stated in get this...The same book of the bible Lev19:27 funny how christians don't want to pass laws against Haircuts Or how about Lev19:19 do not Wear clothes woven of two kinds of material. gonna pass some laws against the Fasion industry???
Wake up and admit you holy book is Wrong!
CrazyCarnieCory 4 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory
Try and pay close attention to what is actually being said, rather than random argument you make up in your mind.
No one said anything about making laws against homosexuals.
What IS actually being said is, homosexuals cannot redefine what a marriage is, and change a law that recognizes what they are, as a marriage.
So the truth is actually the opposite of what you said.
So if you are against us making laws against you, you must also be against you doing that?
ironcross66106 4 days ago
@ironcross66106 no
Definition of MARRIAGE
(1): the state of being united in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
(2): the state of being united to a person in a relationship
(3): the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
If you just take out that whole man women part it does no harm Unless you are a homophobic bible Thumper who like disscrimination
CrazyCarnieCory 4 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory
If you take out the man woman thing, you have no marriage.
So are you a Bigot towards heterosexuals?
Websters: the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
This is what a marriage is by definition, so clearly what homosexuals are trying to do is re-define what a marriage is.
You have a complete lack of respect for human decency.
ironcross66106 3 days ago
@ironcross66106 Actually it would apear a have a greater respect for human decency then you do considering the fact I am defending against disscrimination while you in fact are defending it. if you take out the man and women thing it still a marriage. it is the leagal binding of two people and the rights that it intails with it, you would deni people those rights based on sexuality??? but besides that are you against the civil union of of gay people as well
CrazyCarnieCory 3 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory
Not quite.
Do you see the mistake it what you just said?
You said and I quote: if you take out the man and women thing it still a marriage.
The Man and Woman thing makes it a marriage.
You DO NOT have the right to redefine what a marriage to suit your purpose.
Homosexuality is a perversion, and you have free will to practice that perversion when ever you like.
What you cannot do is change the definition of what a marriage is, to fit your perversion.
ironcross66106 3 days ago
@ironcross66106 look you can argue the definition of the word all day for all i care..because in the end it doesn't really matter, because you are just using the definition of the word as your basis for your discrimination...
CrazyCarnieCory 3 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory
I will make this VERY clear, and VERY simple.
Marriage was established and set apart by God, and if you agree with that, or don't agree with that, that will be between you, and God.
For me right, and wrong is very simple, Homosexuality is a sin, and an abomination unto God.
You and others have free will, you can choose to commit any sins you like.
One day, everyone will give account for what they have done.
ironcross66106 3 days ago
@ironcross66106 Um as I pointed out to you before under the same book in the bible Lev19:27 cutting the hair on the side of your head is a abomination to god a well, but i don't see people picketing outside hairsolons, or Lev19:22 do not wear clothes made of 2 diffrent fabrics but your not protesting against the fashion industry...you pick what you want to beleive and ignore the rest
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CrazyCarnieCory 3 days ago
@ironcross66106 And you never aswerd my question so I'll ask it again...Are You Against The Civil Union Of Gay Couples
CrazyCarnieCory 3 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory
Why would you care if I thought it would be ok for same sex couples to share property?
You already know I what God's word says regarding homosexuality, and you know I believe God's word.
That would be like asking me, how do you feel about a doctor using sterilized equipment while performing an abortion?
Its still a sin, the taking of innocent life.
Homosexuality it doesn't matter that they share property.
ironcross66106 3 days ago
@ironcross66106 So You openly admit That You are FOR denying gay people their Constitituional rights....For example..Married people can't be made to testify against their spouse in court....Married people are given tax brakes From the Government...Married people are allowed to have their spouse coverd by their medical insurence....But You say that you would deni people these rights based on their sexuality because of your religious beliefs....But It's Not discrimination!!!!
CrazyCarnieCory 3 days ago
@CrazyCarnieCory
No, No if you are trying to redefine what a marriage is, it would be you, who are discriminating against what a marriage is by definition.
That is as ridiculous as suggesting if I don't agree a man can be considered a Mother than I am discriminating against homosexual men that want to be called a Mother.
Sorry a Mother is a Woman & a Dad is a man.
A man & Man, or a woman & Woman isn't a marriage.
ironcross66106 3 days ago
I dont see how anyone could be christian and say theres nothing wrong with a homosexual lifestyle.Thats like saying I'm a christian but hey if your a satanist thats cool too.My point is there both sinful behavior in the eyes of God...well if you believe in the bible anyway?By the way I hate sin not the sinner we all fall short especially myself.
plampster 4 days ago
Where is nutty Alan Keyes these days?
Tippersnore 5 days ago
it's interesting how different people can view the same thing so entirely differently from each other, in this case for example I take the opposite view of the poster of the video in all but one case. The bible does in fact state that homosexuality is an abomination, this is true, and if you ask me that is reason enough to disregard the entire book completely.
However a question: Ironcross, do you really think that your argument is going to sway any homosexuals? or people not of your faith?
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
You said: The bible does in fact state that homosexuality is an abomination, this is true, and if you ask me that is reason enough to disregard the entire book completely.
You see this is the problem, many in today's word do not want to follow and serve God, they want to create a god for themselves, one that will permit any deviant behavior they want to participate in. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
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ironcross66106 1 week ago
@frumpman
P2
The entire point of this video is to make a clear distinction between a true Christian in Alan Keys, and a Christian in name only, in Barack Obama.
No true Christian can be a liberal, because to be a liberal you have to support and believe things that are clearly condemned in God's word.
Many have said BIG DEAL, who cares, who cares you ask?
Basically what you are saying is, I will vote for and support someone who is a proven liar.
Very telling.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106
P1
Whether or not the bible says that homosexuality is a sin, it also says, love thine enemy, it says, turn the other cheek, and it says that we are born with the inalienably right of free will. So the case could very well be made that Obama while in his personal life takes the view of the true christian as you say he is willing to tolerate other walks of life in public policy.
This to me suggests not that he's a liar but that he is an individualist when it comes to religion
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
Just as a parent shows love to their children, children must also be shown what to do, and what not to do.
You see this is the mark of a true Christian, Jesus said, you will know them by their fruit.
If you say you believe what the Bible says, and you support what is contrary to the word of God, all you are applying is lip service.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106
P2
Now you may disagree with me but as he clearly states in that debate how he personally feels is different from public policy making him possibly at worst a bit split between himself and his politics.
To me that signals strength of character, to be precise the strength to admit that what he himself believes in might not be what all other people believe in or necessarily want to believe in.
I think that's a very important political stance in a multicultural society.
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
But you see you are of the world.
God's word clearly say's: if the world hate you, know that it hated me before it hated you.
If you were of the world, the world would love his own, but because you are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of this world, the world hates you.
To me a lie doesn't signal character, nor strength.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 The point I'm trying to make is that he isn't lying but merely has a different interpretation of the same source material, and I would hazard a guess that you haven't put any homosexuals to death. so how does his interpretation differ from yours in that it isn't a literal interpretation of the bible?
I am not a christian, which means that I don't agree with either of them, but I appreciate Obama not making people like me live according to the ways of his religion.
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
Many like you, do not understand what is written within God's word.
God's word say's For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
This is also confirmed in 1st Corinthians 6:9
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
This shows sinners will not be in heaven.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Not sure exactly what point of mine you were addressing there but I don't believe in god nor the bible so what the bible says is of little consequence to me, I might be wrong on this and if I am I'll know after I'm dead but, it seems to me that if what you're saying is that Obama is the sinner mentioned here then I still don't see what the sin is because he himself has not sinned according to those passages in any way that you can prove, merely allowed other people to do so.
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
Ok, let me try this again.
The whole point of the video is to show everyone that just because you claim to be a Christian doesn't automatically make you one.
And this is the point of the video, to use as an example of what a true Christian is, and what one in name only is.
If you are a true Christ not only have you put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ, but you also hold dear what His word says, and Obama clearly does not.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@frumpman
P2
This is an example to show that ALL sinners that do not repent & turn to Jesus Christ will not enter the kingdom of God.
Homosexuality is a sin, like lying and stealing, a sin that needs to be repented of.
Did you know Obama voted 4 times for infanticide?
Did you also know this is such a cruel disgusting thing he voted for, NO OTHER liberal joined him in that vote?
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Boy! you would not be happy in my country... I guess my gripe here really, that is, the most central issue, is that you believe that these things are wrong, where as millions of people don't agree with you. Now if a law was passed that said that abortion was legal in the states then for you to be right with God you'd only have to mind your own house so to speak. whether other people choose to have abortions or not really is none of your concern in the religious sense.
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
And my disappointment is that a good portion of the world doesn't realize how wrong it is.
As a true Christian we know homosexuality is wrong.
We know bestiality is wrong, telling lies, the taking of innocent life, cheating on your spouse, stealing, and so on.
The fact that Obama supports homosexuality, and the taking of innocent life clearly shows he is no Christian.
However because he is a big supporter of sin, the world, and you love him.
This is expected.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 I must ask at this juncture: how many true christians are there actually in the world today? That is a serious question by the way.
Also how would suggest that homosexuals be treated by the law ? I mean should homosexuality be outlawed as a whole? or take other creeds or walks of life, atheism should atheism be legal? Should atheists be allowed to marry? How about Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam etc? Again I'm not trying to trap you with these questions they are sincere.
frumpman 1 week ago
@frumpman
When you tell the truth you never have to worry about being trapped, because when you tell the truth, you have nothing to hide.
All human beings are blessed by God to have free will, that means you as a human being are free to worship whom ever you choose.
You are also free to have sex with whom ever you choose.
You will one day be judged by God for what you have done, and that is between you, and God.
However what you cannot do is, redefine what a marriage is.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@frumpman
I believe there are millions of true Christians on the planet, and most are in America.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Well we don't agree on much but as long as you don't try to interfere with my way of living then I won't try to interfere with yours no one can ask for more really.
frumpman 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Im sorry bro, this is such an ignorant and almost arrogant statement, Im from this country but for you to make that claim is very outlandish. what about the missionaries all over world preaching the gospel to nations that have never heard of the name Jesus Christ? What about the hundreds, possibly thousands of church plants that have been made all over the world, specifically in third world countries? We are charged to go and make disciples of all nations, make true christians
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc do you seriously think that we are the only populace in the world that is reflecting and pointing towards Christ?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc
I said, and I quote: I believe there are millions of true Christians on the planet, and most are in America.
I challenge you to show me anywhere in that statement that shows either arrogance or ignorance.
The United States has more Christians than anywhere else on the planet, do you know another country who has more?
You asked: what about the missionaries.
What about them?
ironcross66106 1 week ago
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@ironcross66106 our country says we're Christian but are we really? I know the statistic that over 70% of the nation claims to be Christian. If that statistic were true shouldn't our nation's values look more like Christ's and than the "American Dream". Your statement "I believe there are millions of true Christians on the planet, and most are in America" says that America holds the majority of the true christians as you used the word most. As you know we are charged to shine our (next post)
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc light before men so that it points to Christ. If our nation is such a beaming radiant light of God's love and mercy, than why hasn't the rest of America hopped on board? We isnt the 70% of our nation that claim to follow Christ actually living out their faith. Now I am not saying that there aren't any true christians here in this country but definitely not as many as you claim. This country is a vast mission field that the "70%" of our populace is failing to harvest
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Im sorry that I said that your comment was arrogant, I wish to retract that word from my comment, it was wrong of me to take it in that manner because my comments can easily come off the same way towards you or anyone else for that matter. I dont know you personally, your character, nor the tone which you have in your mind. I apologize but I do believe your comment is still ignorant as explained in the following comments
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc
Thank you for that.
That shows to me that you are a big enough of a person to admit when you are wrong.
Not many people today have the character to do what you did, and I commend you for it.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 its all by God's grace, cause apart from the work He is doing in me, I never would acknowledge my faults
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc
We are all a work in progress.
Great post.
ironcross66106 6 days ago
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fmendozajc 1 week ago
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@ironcross66106 Boy! you would not be happy in my country... I guess my gripe here really, that is, the most central issue, is that you believe that these things are wrong, where as millions of people don't agree with you. Now if a law was passed that said that abortion was legal in the states then for you to be right with God you'd only have to mind your own house so to speak. whether other people choose to have abortions or not really is none of your concern in the religious sense.
frumpman 1 week ago
Homosexuality obviously both is and isn't a choice. One's sexual orientation is not a choice; I don't choose which persons I am attracted to. But obviously one's sexual behavior is a choice; I do choose my sexual partner. There, problem solved.
Teachthecross 1 week ago
lol
tyjet66 1 week ago
Yawn
fake2 1 week ago
@fake2
Thank you so much for the comment.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
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Marriage can and always has been understood "in principle" APART from procreation. This, obviously intelligent, man must know that the origins of marriage were formed over 10,000 years ago to create alliances between clans to insure survival in war against rival clans. Marriage (and it's PURPOSE) should be determined by the two consenting adults getting married.
ExtremePersuasion 1 week ago
Alan Keyes is a beast
mrcolbusmaximus 1 week ago
There were so many laws about what you could and couldn't do with your slave. Kill your slave? sure. Kill anyone else's slave? No, unless you are willing to pay for it.
Societies change, moralities change. Marriage, today, doesn't have the same implications. Is a economic institution. In that sense, the daft's argument is invalid.
We have artificial insemination and we have adoption. Those are not incidental. How a child is conceive is incidental. How a child is raised and loved isn't.
Arahant108 1 week ago
@Arahant108
If you work for a living today, you would have been considered a slave back then.
God's word condemning homosexuality hasn't changed over time.
God's word covers the past, the present, and the future.
And just to be clear, the view you hole is that of a secular humanist, is that right?
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Indeed. Therefore I believe that you understand that "God's word" is a silly phrase to me.
I'll just ignore that. The thing about job today = slave yestarday... that's just false. But not being able to difference slavery from freedom is a property of religion.
Thanks for the video tho. It's good to know what Obama thought.
Arahant108 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 But, you don't live under a Theocracy that panders to one set of religious beliefs.....so, attempting to apply your beliefs to others is silly and futile.
Gods word does not rule in the USA. A secular government does.
Isn't it silly to pretend you are engaged in some epic struggle with evil, when you live in a country that places a greater value on liberty than religion?
dudenftw 1 week ago
@dudenftw
Any government that is not ran by the values of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is evil.
And anyone who has one ounce of common sense could tell this government is very evil.
And homosexual marriage is just one example of how corrupt and evil this country is becoming.
I love my country, but I do not trust my government.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 "Any government that is not ran by...... is evil."
Yet....every morning you make a choice to wake up in an evil Country. Why should anyone else invest in your choice to be unhappy?
Christians are in no way obligated to engage in or participate in federal Civil Marriage. They are free to restrict their unions to the Church of their choice and remain unaffected by Gay Marriage.
dudenftw 1 week ago
Obviously it's not a sin to be gay. if God made us all, then he himself created homosexuality. It is biological and not a choice. An innate characteristic should be given equal right.
jaypMTL 1 week ago
@jaypMTL
1st Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor ( homosexuals,) [a] nor sodomites,
nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
With all due respect what is, or isn't a sin is not determined by jaypMTL.
That job belongs to God alone.
Homosexuality is not innate, it is a choice.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@jaypMTL yet the bible claims it's a sin. just watch it all falling apart...
Earej 1 week ago
@likedatniggawade preach it!!!
Chewbacca0nDrugs 1 week ago
Who even yet this low IQ monkey in the white house anyways? oh yeah niggers and white people that had white guilt haha
Chewbacca0nDrugs 1 week ago
@Chewbacca0nDrugs can you spell dumb hick?
CAM8689 1 week ago
Allen Keyes, is the man...people need to take responsibility for their children, procreation can only take place via x + y in humans, not x + x or y + y
9m9ify 1 week ago 2
@9m9ify
Well said.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
And i thought that Jesus taught tolerance and love for all human beings. Can we not look beyond someone's sexual preference and share a mutual respect for huamn life? Why must we pull people apart over the small differences, and not be united in the similarities?
APWPerkins 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 I didn't say that homosexuality wasn't frowned upon in the Bible. All I said, was that Jesus (God incarnate) never mentions homosexuality in any direct passage. Which is true and I challenge you to find a passage where he does. I don't understand your idea that I have judged the act of gay as right or wrong or what truth God hid from my heart . If I wanted a bible lesson, believe me I wouldn't come to youtube and listen to ironcross66106.
jmoneysin 1 week ago
And that's why Keyes keeps losing
bradleyrichard 1 week ago
Jesus never spoke about homosexuality in the Bible. and Key's spanked Obama
jmoneysin 2 weeks ago
@jmoneysin
It is condemned in both the old and the new testament.
My question to you is: how many times does God have to tell you something is wrong, before you get it?
Also just an FYI, for all those that make the same mistake saying Jesus never spoke about homosexuality.
It is covered in the both the old & new testament correct?
Jesus Christ is thee word that became flesh.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God.
The Bible IS the words of Jesus.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
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@ironcross66106 I didn't say that homosexuality wasn't frowned upon in the Bible. All I said, was that Jesus (God incarnate) never mentions homosexuality in any direct passage. Which is true and I challenge you to find a passage where he does. I don't understand your idea that I have judged the act of gay as right or wrong or what truth God hid from my heart .
If I wanted a bible lesson, believe me I wouldn't come to youtube and listen to ironcross66106.
jmoneysin 1 week ago
WOW!!! ALAN IS SOO RIGHT!! PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING BUT HE IS RIGHT AND ITS BASED ON FACT
Nikbones 2 weeks ago
@Nikbones
I completely agree.
ironcross66106 2 weeks ago
Why are his questions focused on his religion?? Is this a polictical debate or a religious debate???
Nikbones 2 weeks ago
he speaks the truth and they laugh at him like a fool
jr5607 2 weeks ago
The Word of God says what we are to believe on social/sexual relations. Jesus was clear to those of His day on the purpose of marriage (Mark10:1-9; see also Genesis 2:18-25). Now we know marriage between those of the same sex is a popular issue today. The gospel writers quoted the words of Jesus in what would precede His Second Coming "as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man" (Luke 17:26). A total rejection of God's original intent for marriage.
fothgt 2 weeks ago
@fothgt "The word of God" was written by people. And we all KNOW that what it says is simply wrong. The earth is not 7000 years old, but 4.54 billion years. Whoever says otherwise is in denial and in conflict with all the good work scientists have done lately.
Earej 2 weeks ago
@Earej
Prove the world is 4.54 billion years old.
And don't use the word of any man to try and prove it because you just discounted the Bible because you said it was written by people.
Also prove the Bible wrong.
You have a very big challenge ahead of you, I can hear the google search engine smoking now as he sifts through all the web-sites set up by UN-informed atheists who also hate God, that set up web-sites to try and prove wrong what they themselves cannot understand.
ironcross66106 2 weeks ago
I like how that guy argues (not Obama), but I don't necessarily agree. And this has nothing to do with religion, it's a question of biology, genetics and social order / politics. RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.
Earej 2 weeks ago
Obama definitely sounds like the more genuine Christian
seanstrnad 2 weeks ago
@seanstrnad
To a secularist
throwdini23 2 weeks ago
@throwdini23 if by your secularist you mean someone very familiar with the spirit of Christian teachings, then yes.
seanstrnad 2 weeks ago
Im starting to think Obama is an atheist. Or at least a deist.
Im respect that more.
Of course he couldn't come right out and say he's an atheist and run for president.
AK33M 2 weeks ago 2
An the answer to your question is pretty simple. Neither of these people sound anything like a true Christian. Based only on what I know of these two politicians, I would be shocked if they do not both end up in Hell.
timtumtoom 2 weeks ago
@timtumtoom
What have you seen Alan Keys say that would make you think he isn't a true Christian?
ironcross66106 2 weeks ago
@ironcross66106
I'm an Illinoisan and I have watched many many of his debates: political, scholastic, and theological. As with most Catholics, I have heard him many time quote the Pope, the Vatican, and Catholic dogma. I have NEVER heard him reference Bible. He might 'sound' like a true Christian, but you know and I know that means nothing. There is only one way to God (Romans 6:23). Calling him a true Christian is like saying the the Third Commandment does not matter.
timtumtoom 2 weeks ago
(cont) It just angers me that there are SO many videos like this about gay marriage and none at all that criticize the much larger problem that already exists. Christians try SO hard to define what marriage is that they don't realize that is is already a ruined institution.
timtumtoom 2 weeks ago
(cont) This is why I am not offended at all that gays want to get married. They are probably going to Hell anyways so why does it matter? Let's make divorce illegal. Let's call out Christians who DO get divorced as breakers of their holy sacrament. Maybe if we can sort that out first, we can bring some meaning back to the concept of marriage and make this other stuff worth talking about.
timtumtoom 2 weeks ago
It is an insult to Christian sensibilities to say that marriage in America is a holy institution. Marriage in America is a irreparable joke. If it were a holy institution, divorce would be illegal. Being married by a pastor does NOT ordain a marriage as holy. Marriage is ONLY a holy sacrament if the husband and wife both have Jesus in their hearts.Their is no doubt that most marriages done by pastors in America are missing this from the start and those marriages are all abominations.
timtumtoom 2 weeks ago
@timtumtoom You definitely made known the elephant in the room, but the one thing I disagree with is that marriage is only a holy sacrament between believers. I see what your saying but in the days of Noah im sure the people of the day defiled marriage as well, believers and non believers, the stench of their sin was unbearable so He wiped them all out. Non-believers are still subject to up keep the holiness of marriage in the eyes of God
fmendozajc 1 week ago
if you think being gay is wrong then don't be gay, if ppl choose to have gay marriages who cares...as far as the bible saying being gay is wrong once again who cares, not every one is christian and we don't make policies based on the bible.
tsiallie 3 weeks ago
@tsiallie
You're missing the entire point of the whole video.
And that is to show the difference between what it is to be a true Christian as opposed to one in name only.
ironcross66106 3 weeks ago 2
@ironcross66106 The self-labeling on one's religious identity is irrelevant. The role of a politician is to influence a sense of balance onto the citizens of a nation. Of course, this is the challenging part for a politician. The truth is, religion needs to be set aside from politics. And there is no such thing as a "true Christian."
slayerette86m 2 weeks ago
@slayerette86m
A politician decides weather he will be a Republican, a Liberal or a conservative based on his, or her faith and convictions, this includes your religion.
A conservative is in most cases a Christian, a Liberal is usually a secular humanist.
Learn something about the subjects you wish to comment on.
No such thing as a true Christian you say?
Read Matthew 7:22-23.
ironcross66106 2 weeks ago
@ironcross66106 With all due respect, I know very well the meaning of these definitions, but as are all things in life, it's not black and white. I don't even know what you're getting at.
Personally, Obama's religious identification shouldn't even be an issue. There are far more important things to think about.
And I'm sorry, you can throw quotes at me all you want, it's not going to solve the issue.
slayerette86m 2 weeks ago
@slayerette86m
If the truth doesn't matter to you, there is no point in this conversation.
You said; Obama's religious identification shouldn't even be an issue.
Understand what you are saying, weather Obama is a liar of not shouldn't be an issue.
The reason myself giving you a passage of scripture to prove to you there are fake Christians won't solve anything to you, is clear.
Truth doesn't seem to matter to you.
For a Christian truth matters, I'm sorry for you that it doesn't.
ironcross66106 2 weeks ago
@ironcross66106 Now, you're just twisting what I'm saying. The truth matters to most people. To sit here and debate over the validity of Obama's Christianity is preposterous. If Obama says he's a Christian, he's a Christian. It's absurd that this is his scrutiny. Not his position on foreign policy, health care, corporate greed, various issues concerning the here and now...and yet we argue about his Christianity? Have to disagree with this overall perspective of yours.
slayerette86m 2 weeks ago
@slayerette86m
The whole point of this video is to teach others that there are people who profess to be Christians, who are nothing of the kind.
I am using the topic of homosexuality to prove my point.
And Obama is in contrast to Alan Keys who is also a professing Christian, and we can see when it comes down to it, who is, and who clearly isn't a Christian.
His faith has everything to do with how he will govern, and we have seen that play out.
He is a Liberal, not a Christian.
ironcross66106 2 weeks ago
@ironcross66106 But my point is that, he's a Christian and a politician. He defines marriage between a man and a woman, and his overall concern in regard to gay marriage is about equal rights and equal opportunity, and that’s a step in the right direction. Gays and lesbians are as much people as you and the next person. Having a strict biblical perspective is fine, but putting a person to govern with that frame of mind is a dangerous for society. It's multi-layered.
slayerette86m 2 weeks ago
@slayerette86m And, with all due respect, I don't think it's right for you to be judging others on how they interpret the word of God. It's not right at all.
slayerette86m 2 weeks ago
@slayerette86m Actually he has every right to judge a professing Christian and to bring to light a false witness. That authority is given to all professing Christians by God's Word. We as believers however should not judge non-believers. Now that does not mean by stating the truth of God's word of what is sin as judging non believers, that is wrong to assume. The bible is black and white on this issue and that is all that a believer can ever state, that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Yes, I agree, he has every right to say that. What I'm saying is that, I don't think its right to judge Obama's interpretation of the bible. Yes, the bible has clear references to homosexuality, but what's the context that it's in. I'm sorry, knowing the oppression that's occurred in history, knowing the pain that people have experienced because of their differences; I simply cannot stand on the other end and judge. I cannot do it.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m It's easy for all of us to sit on the other end, and point fingers and say, "In the bible...it's wrong..."and the rest of that sermon, when you know nothing about the inner feelings of someone's who's gay. I'm sorry, but, you don't know.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m
We are talking about Biblical truth here, NOT how someone feels who is committing a sin.
Should we consider the pedophiles feelings as to why he, or she commits that sin as well?
Homosexuality is a sin that is a sin that can be forgiven by God, but as all sins, the person MUST repent of the sin.
That means repent and acknowledge it is wrong and sinful.
Continued.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 But the two go hand in hand? A person must combat their physiological needs against God's word. You're essentially asking them to undergo a lifetime of loneliness. All I'm saying is that I empathize with gay people. It's not so easy of a subject.
I don't know, should we? You tell me.
Again, I go back to this, it's easy for you to sit there and say that. You go home to your wife or girlfriend, you wake up next to someone...
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m ....,when you go out, you're not worrying about fitting in with society.
Again, it's easy for you to say that.
A lot of people don't like to be alone, so who are the straight women who are going to take one for the team and marry these gay men? It's such a complicated issue and saying, "It's wrong and sinful" just dumbs down the entire notion.
I empathize with these people.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m interesting point but that loneliness that you describe that a homosexual can have from the lack of having a significant other is wiped away by God's love if they are willing to accept it and their sexual orientation can as well be reoriented to the opposite sex if they're willing to give their lives over to Him. God's love is all powerful and all consuming that when we let it penetrate the core of who you are changes and you will never be the same, guaranteed.
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc No, I'm sorry, their sexuality cannot be reoriented. That's a preposterous notion. I detest turning this to elementary examples, but here it goes: so, for instance, if we flipped this thing around, you're telling me that you (in this example) could be reoriented to like homosexuals you wouldn't be attracted to the opposite sex. Preposterous.
And, again, it's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what it's like to be gay. This is something you’re born with.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m your right the notion that God's love would reorient me towards the same gender is preposterous. God would never do that and I agree with you, some homosexuals are born that way, we are all born with sin. You are correct that I cannot begin to understand what its like to be gay, I have never had that orientation to the same sex but I do understand sin and the deathly grip it can have on our hearts and the transforming power of God's love that frees us from our sins.
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Although I understand what you're saying, in the end, it's just a patted response.
It's complicated, I suppose. Just can't side or agree with you.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m The cross, the sacrifice that Jesus made for all of humanity simplifies all the complications that humanity has brought to the varying issues of today. The choice we have is to either expect His amazing gift of all consuming love, power and freedom or reject. The cross is the fork in the middle of the road
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Again, patted response. I know where you're coming from, but there's the other side too, and it's complicated.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m thats God's response. He see's his lost children in pain crying out for something worth holding onto. However he cannot come to them unless they accept Him first. If you believe that it is a patted response, it is for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The cross says, I know you have fallen short of what I have designed but Ill give my life, my glory, my goodness, my love, my mercy to you so that you can live whole and perfect and renew your life with me
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@slayerette86m Sin tells us that our issues are more complicated than what the cross simplifies them to, but that is not the case. There is power, redeeming power in the blood of Jesus that was shed for all of humanity. The power that tells sin to shut up because it has no authority to speak into our lives because Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world has conquered all sin. The other side that you speak of does cloud our judgement of the issues that we deal with, but God can give clarity to them
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Again, I know where you're coming from, I understand it. I'm not just saying that. I really do know where you're coming from, but that response doesn't solve anything. It's just pep talk.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
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fmendozajc 1 week ago
@slayerette86m I assure you no matter the complexity of an issue, God can take it away, we just have to let Him.
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Again, that's easy for you to say.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
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fmendozajc 1 week ago
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@slayerette86m well what do you feel are the complexities this issue brings?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc That's God's response based on how you interpret it. I don't see it like that.
I mean, a person can be gay and be filled with God's glory.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m how so?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@slayerette86m
Repentance is a part of salvation, how can someone be saved, and not repent?
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 @ironcross66106 Repent for what? Homosexuality is a part of life, it's who people are. It's not a choice like choosing what shirt you're going to wear. It's physiological. A person can’t control what stimulates them. It’s conflicting. Again, it’s easy for you to say that. I suggest you talk to gay Christians and get their perspectives. It's not a easy problem to solve.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
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@slayerette86m "A person can’t control what stimulates them." You are correct thats why all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I also agree that "homosexuality is a part of life, its who people are." We are sinners, born into sin and forever will be seen as sinners apart from having Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. read 2 cornithians 12:9 and hopefully you'll understand why even though it looks hard, its made easy by Jesus Christ
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@slayerette86m
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Have you considered the persons feelings who will spend an eternity in hell for not repenting of the sin of homosexuality?
Consider that person who will be thinking of that so-called friend who didn't tell them the truth, and that is you must repent of your sins, and put your faith in Jesus Christ to be saved.
( Romans 10:9-10 )
Can you imagine them say: if they really were my friends, why didn't they warn me about this place.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Yes, I have and I do, and that's what makes it the more complicated. I can not side with you, however. Everyone deserves to be treated with equality and respect. God will be the judge, not you or I or the pastor or preacher giving out their anti-gay sermon.
God will be the judge.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m When you bring to light a false witness it is because that person's interpretation of the bible is false. That person is giving false truth in regards to God's Word and when we as believers recognize it, we are obligated by God's word to expose them and correct them. If anyone claims anything outside of what the word of God says, they must be corrected. Also its not your job to judge it, God has already passed His judgement on it. Furthermore, the actions of God's (next post)
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@slayerette86m followers does not nullify His word. I agree with you completely that we as the body of Christ have handled the issue of homosexuality horribly. We should show love, grace, peace, kindness, goodness, forgiveness, gentleness, Jesus. Unfortunately we as a body have failed in this area.
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc
If anyone claims homosexuality is not wrong, and a sin, is clearly not following what God's word says.
It is condemned in both the old testament as well as the new, God's word makes it very clear it is a sin.
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Im a lil confused as to why this statement is directed at me, if you could clarify I would appreciate it
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Ironcross66106 is not telling you you, he's just following your post with a response.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 im just trying to wrap my head around this, by your statement, "If anyone claims homosexuality is not wrong, and a sin, is clearly not following what God's word says." are you telling me that I am claiming that homosexuality is wrong and while still regarding it as a sin?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc
God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Homosexuality is wrong, just as pedophilia, and bestiality is wrong, and ALL are sins.
However the subject of this video is homosexuality, so I am trying to stick to the topic.
Let me ask you: are you a Born again Christian?
ironcross66106 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Yes I am, why do you ask?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@ironcross66106 Homosexuality is nothing like bestiality or pedophilia. It’s absurd to lump all these together.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Based on what? You're opinion? How do you know you're right? The person next to you who believes in God and the Word might say the same thing about you.
When it comes to being a politician, a person like Obama has his faith but also has an understanding for certain issues. He is not a false witness and he is not a just witness. He is a man, who believes in God and in equality for all. God forgive his compassion towards others.
slayerette86m 1 week ago
@slayerette86m Because of the power of the Holy Spirit that confirms in us when something of God is true or corrects us when we have misconceptions about His word and nature.
Here's the thing, if one calls himself a Chrisitian, are you a Christian or a politician first (in reference to Obama). Also I am not saying that Obama's compassion for the homosexual community is wrong, I have the same compassion towards them, but in light of God's word. As a Christian you cannot support (next post)
fmendozajc 1 week ago