There seem to be many versions of Wando/Wandoh kata. I learned Kyoshi Diliberto's version of Wando kata and I learned Sensei Ken Tallack's version of Wando at his seminar.
@SithV1 I'm pretty sure Chris DiLiberto's version was the one he learned from Hanshi McCarthy. I know he said this verbally on a Facebook video when he was teaching Tony Rampulla. The version I know is very North Americanized and was a modified version of a modified version. However, I use this video as a reference.
While very similar, this version is not identical to the versions (at least 2) taught in Northern California (Osensei Kim's region. The ending in particular is different, perhaps that's the Goju influence some of the other commenters are referring to (looks like Mantis style to me though...)
FYI, this is Richard Kim's version of Wando/Wanduan exactly as it appears in my mid-1980's publication, "Classical Kata of Okinawan Karate." It is altered from the original version he learned in 1957 from Kinjo Hiroshi.
I agree with glimmerman, if this really was an old Wanduan from Tomari it shouldn't have so obvious elements from Goju-ryu (stances and so on). Uchinadi: Itosukai of Sakagami does this? I don't think so. Under whom Richard Kim learned this kata?
I practice Kang Zang Tsou, reported to be the root form for Wanduan. The form in the video is close to Kang Zang Tsou both in technique and in the pattern. There are probably a couple versions of Wanduan practiced. I've seen another version of Wanduan slightly different from this one.
This version is a compilation, ne? Elements of Goju-Ryu (i.e. Suparinpei, Sanseru, Seisan,Saifa, are all superimposed over this form.--Actually with elements of Pinan, and Chinto thrown in as well. Is this simply a McCarthy reconstructed kata? Whatever the case, nice performance.
From what I remember there are a few styles that do a similar kata to this one which would suggest that it wasn't a reconstruction but I could be wrong, I notice you have a link to a Wando kata which is very interesting, any background/history on your version of the kata? In parts it reminded me of one of the Chito Ryu Kata Niseishi.
wouldn't you say some of you are little incomplete to be making such comments in public forums? normally i wouldn't support prudence - but this case you should think about it.
There seem to be many versions of Wando/Wandoh kata. I learned Kyoshi Diliberto's version of Wando kata and I learned Sensei Ken Tallack's version of Wando at his seminar.
SithV1 1 year ago
@SithV1 I'm pretty sure Chris DiLiberto's version was the one he learned from Hanshi McCarthy. I know he said this verbally on a Facebook video when he was teaching Tony Rampulla. The version I know is very North Americanized and was a modified version of a modified version. However, I use this video as a reference.
babydru 1 year ago
While very similar, this version is not identical to the versions (at least 2) taught in Northern California (Osensei Kim's region. The ending in particular is different, perhaps that's the Goju influence some of the other commenters are referring to (looks like Mantis style to me though...)
wellisdad95065 3 years ago
FYI, this is Richard Kim's version of Wando/Wanduan exactly as it appears in my mid-1980's publication, "Classical Kata of Okinawan Karate." It is altered from the original version he learned in 1957 from Kinjo Hiroshi.
mccarthysensei 3 years ago
This is correct, in the Shito-ryu this Kata is practice in the same form on this video.
uchinadi 3 years ago
Oh I see. The kata is very fluid too.
SithV1 3 years ago
I agree with glimmerman, if this really was an old Wanduan from Tomari it shouldn't have so obvious elements from Goju-ryu (stances and so on). Uchinadi: Itosukai of Sakagami does this? I don't think so. Under whom Richard Kim learned this kata?
monguaki 4 years ago
I practice Kang Zang Tsou, reported to be the root form for Wanduan. The form in the video is close to Kang Zang Tsou both in technique and in the pattern. There are probably a couple versions of Wanduan practiced. I've seen another version of Wanduan slightly different from this one.
jamesbwalters 4 years ago
very nice to see. Perfect stands and finish
nathantg1 4 years ago
This version is a compilation, ne? Elements of Goju-Ryu (i.e. Suparinpei, Sanseru, Seisan,Saifa, are all superimposed over this form.--Actually with elements of Pinan, and Chinto thrown in as well. Is this simply a McCarthy reconstructed kata? Whatever the case, nice performance.
glimmerman108 4 years ago
From what I remember there are a few styles that do a similar kata to this one which would suggest that it wasn't a reconstruction but I could be wrong, I notice you have a link to a Wando kata which is very interesting, any background/history on your version of the kata? In parts it reminded me of one of the Chito Ryu Kata Niseishi.
alanwolf1 4 years ago
Thanks, this form is practiced for Itosu-kai members for other sects of Shito-ryu too and Shorinji-ryu karatekas...
uchinadi 4 years ago
Hanshi McCarthy was student of Richard Kim of Shorinji-ryu Karate-do
uchinadi 4 years ago
wouldn't you say some of you are little incomplete to be making such comments in public forums? normally i wouldn't support prudence - but this case you should think about it.
the form is quite acurate albeit naive.
mushinden 4 years ago
Hi Albert I found you doing this Kata very nice Thank you for sharing
Regards
Graham Moughton
dejathorus 4 years ago