all i know I can't write properly, speak properly & most of all phonetic properly regardless what languages i am into.
English is one of them also.
when i do that, realise i highly educated but sound never go 2 school b4 & talk here there with no standard sia. agree? my angmoh pengyou told me a long time ago. hehe...
Your ang moh pengyou is no good lah! They language snob leh!
No need to have ang moh accent one lah. American accent is as good as British accent, and by the same reasoning, Sg accent is good too. It is more important to be grammatical than to acquire certain accent.
I am in Australia for years but I don't think Australian accent is superior to my sg accent leh. lol
How can the fact the VIetnamese choose to keep the alphabet be a matter of ethnic/nationalistic pride? The FRENCH were the ones who introduced them to the alphabet...by invading their country. How come they still decided to keep the alphabet rather than go back to using Chinese characters? It may be because they realize it is hard to improve literacy rates in a poor country without switching to an alphabetical writing system!
That's because they dislike the Chinese even more! Maybe you are unware that at one time, they did ethnic-cleansing (killing) of the Chinese in their country. And btw, they went to war with the Chinese too.
Alphabetical writing is NOT easier than pictographical system, poor country or otherwise. Don't propagate a myth; Billions of poor ancient Chinese peasants had no problem learning Chinese. No evidence ancient Europeans had it easier.
In any case, any short-term gain(?) in converting from pic to phonetics is short-sighted as it results in severance to heritage. Ordinary Chinese can read the writings of their Han dynasty ancestor, Which other culture can do that? Certainly not the Vietnamese.
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING is stopping the Singapore government from just scrapping Chinese together from the exams. If they wanted to please the small group that threaten to quit why don't they just scrap the Chinese exams altogether, and leave the learning to freelance schools so that everyone can either choose dialect or mandarin to learn? That way everyone can really learn at their own pace!
Why? because China is rising and that old man who refuses to die is a money-face! (He could not have scraped Chinese exams in the past due to the still-strong Chinese-ed citizens then.) But now, he would have scraped it altogether, if China was still in its 1970s condition. Why are you talking the obvious? What point are you trying to make?
Why talk about dialect vs mandarin? We are talking about the writing of Chinese character, which is the same whether dialect or mandarin.
The way that Chinese is taught in SIngapore is not very fitting for a country that uses it as a "second language". If you do business in English, learn most other subjects in English, and have a culture that runs on English. What's the use of making the Chinese standard that high for everybody? In Malaysia, there are many Malaysian Chinese who know only dialect, Bahasa and English. Anyway, Chinese has one of the most complex written systems of all.
In which the way the word is written does not teach you how to pronounce it, it is not an alphabetical or phonetic system. Lu Xun, the famous Chinese writer, himself complained about the difficulties of written Chinese. When the Communists added pinyin and simplified characters, they were also trying to solve the problem of making Chinese more accessible. The former countries that were under China's influence: Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, even Tibet, have all changed their writing systems.
Hundreds of years ago they also used Chinese characters, but they soon developed their own writing systems. Even in Vietnam, when they kicked out the French, they did not go back to using Chinese characters and still used the alphabet instead. Why? Could it be because Chinese characters are not a good language to be used for promoting mass literacy within a short time?
Why? Because of misguided ethnic/nationalistic pride!
Misguided because vietnamese scholars are now lamenting that they are unable to read what their ancestors wrote when they do historical research, because for centuries, their ancestors have been using Chinese script! So now, they find it difficult to study their own history. Heritage severed! Same problem in korea. In contrast, Japan has no such problem.
Anyway, all out of point. Are you a Vietnamese, Japanese...?
Communist China did not abandon Chinese characters for pinyin. You are out of point, since this video is about abandoning Chinese characteres.
Vietnam etc changed their writing system because of ethnic pride. Anyway, are you a vietnamese, or a korean or a japanese, or a mongolian or a tibetan, or a Singaporean with nationality but no ethnicity?
"What's the point of making the Chinese standard that high for everybody?"
Because it's your mother tongue. Period.
If one day, you do business in Hindi more than in English, does it mean u should now adopt Hindi culture and language and throw English away, just as you had thrown Chinese away?
"Malaysian Chinese who know only dialect,"
They know how to write in Chinese.
"Chinese has one of the most complex written systems"
"the way that Chinese is taught in SIngapore is not very fitting for a country that uses it as a "second language"."
It should never have been a second language. It's your mother tongue, not step-mother tongue :)
It is never a 2nd language. 80+% of our students scored A in the language in PSLE. LKY is short-changing the majority by forcing every Chinese student to give up writing, for the sake of pandering to a minority who threatens to emigrate if Chinese std is not lowered.
all i know I can't write properly, speak properly & most of all phonetic properly regardless what languages i am into.
English is one of them also.
when i do that, realise i highly educated but sound never go 2 school b4 & talk here there with no standard sia. agree? my angmoh pengyou told me a long time ago. hehe...
poptall2007 2 years ago
Your ang moh pengyou is no good lah! They language snob leh!
No need to have ang moh accent one lah. American accent is as good as British accent, and by the same reasoning, Sg accent is good too. It is more important to be grammatical than to acquire certain accent.
I am in Australia for years but I don't think Australian accent is superior to my sg accent leh. lol
wendyneo 2 years ago
How can the fact the VIetnamese choose to keep the alphabet be a matter of ethnic/nationalistic pride? The FRENCH were the ones who introduced them to the alphabet...by invading their country. How come they still decided to keep the alphabet rather than go back to using Chinese characters? It may be because they realize it is hard to improve literacy rates in a poor country without switching to an alphabetical writing system!
hnming 2 years ago
That's because they dislike the Chinese even more! Maybe you are unware that at one time, they did ethnic-cleansing (killing) of the Chinese in their country. And btw, they went to war with the Chinese too.
wendyneo 2 years ago
Alphabetical writing is NOT easier than pictographical system, poor country or otherwise. Don't propagate a myth; Billions of poor ancient Chinese peasants had no problem learning Chinese. No evidence ancient Europeans had it easier.
In any case, any short-term gain(?) in converting from pic to phonetics is short-sighted as it results in severance to heritage. Ordinary Chinese can read the writings of their Han dynasty ancestor, Which other culture can do that? Certainly not the Vietnamese.
wendyneo 2 years ago
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING is stopping the Singapore government from just scrapping Chinese together from the exams. If they wanted to please the small group that threaten to quit why don't they just scrap the Chinese exams altogether, and leave the learning to freelance schools so that everyone can either choose dialect or mandarin to learn? That way everyone can really learn at their own pace!
hnming 2 years ago
Why? because China is rising and that old man who refuses to die is a money-face! (He could not have scraped Chinese exams in the past due to the still-strong Chinese-ed citizens then.) But now, he would have scraped it altogether, if China was still in its 1970s condition. Why are you talking the obvious? What point are you trying to make?
Why talk about dialect vs mandarin? We are talking about the writing of Chinese character, which is the same whether dialect or mandarin.
wendyneo 2 years ago
The way that Chinese is taught in SIngapore is not very fitting for a country that uses it as a "second language". If you do business in English, learn most other subjects in English, and have a culture that runs on English. What's the use of making the Chinese standard that high for everybody? In Malaysia, there are many Malaysian Chinese who know only dialect, Bahasa and English. Anyway, Chinese has one of the most complex written systems of all.
imayne 2 years ago
In which the way the word is written does not teach you how to pronounce it, it is not an alphabetical or phonetic system. Lu Xun, the famous Chinese writer, himself complained about the difficulties of written Chinese. When the Communists added pinyin and simplified characters, they were also trying to solve the problem of making Chinese more accessible. The former countries that were under China's influence: Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, even Tibet, have all changed their writing systems.
imayne 2 years ago
Hundreds of years ago they also used Chinese characters, but they soon developed their own writing systems. Even in Vietnam, when they kicked out the French, they did not go back to using Chinese characters and still used the alphabet instead. Why? Could it be because Chinese characters are not a good language to be used for promoting mass literacy within a short time?
imayne 2 years ago
Why? Because of misguided ethnic/nationalistic pride!
Misguided because vietnamese scholars are now lamenting that they are unable to read what their ancestors wrote when they do historical research, because for centuries, their ancestors have been using Chinese script! So now, they find it difficult to study their own history. Heritage severed! Same problem in korea. In contrast, Japan has no such problem.
Anyway, all out of point. Are you a Vietnamese, Japanese...?
wendyneo 2 years ago
Lu Xun wrote in Chinese perfectly.
Communist China did not abandon Chinese characters for pinyin. You are out of point, since this video is about abandoning Chinese characteres.
Vietnam etc changed their writing system because of ethnic pride. Anyway, are you a vietnamese, or a korean or a japanese, or a mongolian or a tibetan, or a Singaporean with nationality but no ethnicity?
wendyneo 2 years ago
"What's the point of making the Chinese standard that high for everybody?"
Because it's your mother tongue. Period.
If one day, you do business in Hindi more than in English, does it mean u should now adopt Hindi culture and language and throw English away, just as you had thrown Chinese away?
"Malaysian Chinese who know only dialect,"
They know how to write in Chinese.
"Chinese has one of the most complex written systems"
Funny billions in China has no problem with it.
wendyneo 2 years ago
"the way that Chinese is taught in SIngapore is not very fitting for a country that uses it as a "second language"."
It should never have been a second language. It's your mother tongue, not step-mother tongue :)
It is never a 2nd language. 80+% of our students scored A in the language in PSLE. LKY is short-changing the majority by forcing every Chinese student to give up writing, for the sake of pandering to a minority who threatens to emigrate if Chinese std is not lowered.
wendyneo 2 years ago
你也好不到哪去，影片字體也不曉得要統一。
不如來學學繁體吧...
yowaywang 2 years ago
"恥"字，用正體，因爲其右邊的部首是"心。這很重要：沒有心，就不會知恥。
其他的，用簡體，因爲此錄像是面向新加坡人與及那些因當年鄧小平的一句話而被洗腦，莫名其妙地崇拜李老不死的大陸人。
wendyneo 2 years ago
更正，我說的字體應該是字型。
不知道你說的新加坡人是所有新加坡人？還是新加坡"華人"？
你說的大陸人是在新加坡的中國人？還是在中國大陸的人？
yowaywang 2 years ago
字形看不出有何問題。
你這是明知故問。寫的即是方塊字，請問是面向新加坡的馬來人和印度人，還是華人呢？如果你喜歡搞些明知故問的廢話，那本小姐不奉陪。你請便。
我說的大陸人，是全世界任何被洗腦，莫名其妙崇拜李老狗賊的大陸人。有問題嗎？呵呵！
wendyneo 2 years ago
你身在臺灣，連"正體"，"繁體"之稱的不同都不知曉，把千多年來大致上都沒有改變過的正統"正體"貶低為繁複的"繁體"，自我矮化，居然還有資格來教訓本小姐？
不如反省你自己吧。。。
wendyneo 2 years ago
繁體只是相對於"簡體"，我不認為用繁體來稱傳統中文寫法有自我矮化的意思，而且在台灣，繁體這個名稱才是最多人使用的。
繁體跟簡體我認為只是實用上的差別，沒有高下之分。使用正體這個說法，反而有貶低現在多數中國人使用的簡體的意味。
yowaywang 2 years ago
人家自稱自己的文字是簡體，潛臺詞就是把你的文字說成是含有貶義的繁（雜字）體。居心不良。你居然全盤接受。呵呵！
在臺灣，像你這樣"隨和"且"親中"的人，多不多，我不知道。但我知道你臺灣的馬總統最近 剛剛說"識正書簡"，而不是"識繁書簡"。
wendyneo 2 years ago
正體是高等的。是傳承自兩千年來不變的正統漢字。可以用來直接閲 讀祖先們留傳下來的古文。除了中華民族，沒有任何一個民族可以辦得 到。
簡體是中共自我矮化民族文字。確實應該貶低！
wendyneo 2 years ago 3
中华文族的自然演变。。。。(正體好看难用！)
tankulai 2 years ago
一点都不"自然"！简体是中共人为的刻意改变。何来自然"?
正体字已经存在千多年了。何以千多年来，每一代的几千万人口都不觉得难用？
wendyneo 2 years ago
仔细想想，其实不能怪他。
他不会写汉字。
他不知恥字怎么写！
wendyneo 2 years ago