@PfanderFilms Hello Mr. Jay Smith ! I was surprised you havn't mentioned one Sura about the death of Jesus.
The Coran explicitely says that Allah will cause Jesus to die and then elevate (or exalt) him to Him in Sura Al Imrane 3:55:
«When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection...»
see the accounts of one person. mark luke john ect . .
then see the same accounts of someone else of the same account and youll find there would be many insetsy ini.. for example one person would say he said this.. anoyther would say compltry something else..
one person would say he said nothign when he was on the cross and die that way. another wouls say he said my father ect .. also go on my page and youll see many listed in the infos
The early Christians beliefs that Jesus was not Crucified,truth of Quran become clear=QR: But they killed him not but so it was made to apear to them,and those who differ therein are full of doubt,with no certain knowledge,but only conjecture to follow.for a surety they killed him not
Mark 7:8 you leave the commandement of God,and hold fast the tradation of men Corinthains 15:15 becoz we testified of God that he RAISED CHRIST whom he did not raise if it true that the dead are not raised
Koran 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Nice video :) It really annoys me when muslims say Jesus didn't die on the cross and then say he was replaced by someone else!!!! because i don't believe that got would do that. The real question however is not was Jesus crucified because obvioulsy he was but was Jesus really god?? Thats what i have trouble believing.
“Now in case a soul sins in that he has heard public cursing and he is a witness or he has seen it or has come to know of it, if he does not report it, then he must answer for his error.
Saying, for a fact the lord was raised up and he appeared to Simon, 35- now they themselves related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the loaf.
36- While they were speaking of these things he himself stood in their midst [[and said to them: “may you have
41- But while they were still not believing for sheer joy and were wondering, he said to them: “do you have something to eat?
42- and they handed him a piece of broiled fish; 43- and he took it and ate it before their eyes.
44- He now said to them: “these are my words which I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written in the Law of Moses and in the prophets and psalms about me must be fulfilled. 45- then he opened up their minds fully to
must be fulfilled. 45- then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the scriptures, 46- and he said to them: “in this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day,47- and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sin would be preached in all the nations-starting out from Jerusalem.
@PurgingFalsehood Allah explicitly says he will cause Jesus to die then elevate him to His presence in Sura Al Imrane 3:55:
God said: "O Jesus, I will let you die (Mutawafeeka), and raise you (wa Rafiiuka) to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me is your return so I will judge between all of you in what it was that you disputed."
Translation by One of the most Qualified & most UNBIASED Quanic Scholar Dr. Mohammad Asad:
3:55 (Asad) Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily, I shall CAUSE THEE TO DIE, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection. In the end, unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you .........
Dr. Mohd. Asad writes in comments about verse 3:55, & 4:158:
Cf. 3:55, where God says to Jesus, "Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me." The verb rafa ahu (lit., "he raised him" or "elevated him") has always, whenever the act of raf’ ("elevating") of a human being is attributed to God, the meaning of "honouring" or "exalting".
Nowhere in the Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven.
If want to read a full fledged Rational and the best scholarly page on this subject, then search following line in Google w/o quotation marks: It will be first hit:
"Flow diagram and Jesus"
This page discusses in the light of Bible, Quran, History, Hadiths, Expert Scholarly opinion, Metaphysics and much more/
If u are an honest unbiased person, u will be very glad to find to read that page. If u are a fanatic, u may have to call 911
the day i was born, the day I DIE and the day I will rise again.
Not Died in past form...
Please christians do not misquot the Quran wich will only turn against us and show us as liars.
Muslim does not Misquot us. They attack our real believes as we believe in them.... So we must respond their believe without misquoting or changing their believes.
All Glory, Honour, Praise 2 God Almighty!!! May God keep u safe in His Wonderful Word. A wonderful REFUTATION of those who deny the truth of God's Inspired Word, the Bible. These r without doubt the times that we Christians have been warned about especially by the Lord Jesus Himself. Many anti-Christ's r in the world seeking 2 set about their own ideas as 2 obtaining righteousness. It's good 2 c many Christians on yt refuting lies + deceit...ur brother in Christ Jesus...
that verse doenst say the day that i DIED dumbass it say s the day that i "DIE" so your argument is false to begin with there is no need to see and waste my time any longer your fucken liar
@taymaz1 A PERSON CAN'T GRASP SPIRITUAL WORDS WITH A CARNAL + UNREPENTANT MIND. THE BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD + WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE NEED 4 REPENTANCE PPL R FOOLED IN2 THINKING THAT BECAUSE "THEY" WOULDN'T DO WHAT GOD DECIDED 2 DO: SEND HIS SON 2 TAKE OUR PLACE ON THE CROSS, THEN THAT MEANS GOD WOULDN'T??? GOD HAS LEFT THE MESSAGE AS 2 Y HIS SON ASSUMED HUMAN NATURE IN HEBREW CHAPTERS1 + 2 + 3.
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
@AvonBarksdale101 you seriously need to read the Bible and stop making these stupid statements..because everything you said in your comments the Bible goes into deepness and explains it all...you making these statements shows you do not read the Bible.
@Jerseygirl8999 ...that God had given us in the first place. Your notions are ridiculous, I DO BELIEVE in the bible, just NOT the version that Peter sent to Europe and had mixed with YOUR pagan beliefs. If you add up everything Jesus said in the bible its sums up to ONE hour of words. Jesus never said to worship him, for he worshiped the ONE God himself. The idea of a trinity started YEARS after Jesus had been lifted to heaven. By one of the popes. You need to read the bible not me.
@njfreddy My point is you are worshiping a creation of God and not God Himself. That is my point. Jesus was a man, and with all due respect had to go to the bathroom, clean, eat, drink, sleep. All the things a MAN needs to do. These are not Godly features. Nor does God need to sacrifice Himself for us. Lol the logic is ridiculous.
@AvonBarksdale101 Jesus is God in the Flesh read..Isaiah 43:3..Isaiah 43:11..then read..Philippians 3:21...read Isaiah.44:6..now read...Rev 1: 17-18...read it and weep son!!!
@njfreddy That means absolutely nothing at all, one of the biggest sins is associating God with a partner. And you are doing it blindly, so I guess it is not your fault but what you have been taught. Jesus is a prophet who was born of a miracle. God is not and never was a MAN, you are ridiculous for even thinking such a thing.
@AvonBarksdale101 see thats ur problem i show u were Jesus claim to be God by saying He is the First and the Last..just Like God said in Isaiah..and u say it dont mean nothing?? ill show u where it says that Jesus was in the form of God ...then became a Human being..and for God to become a Human he had to give up all the Glory that he has that is attached to been God...Read Phillipians 2:5-7 read it and weep son!!!
@njfreddy What you say is incorrect, when you claim that God became a human and had to give up His glory, you are implying that there is another power out there that is above Him, that basically said " its either your power or the humans" which we all know is not the case, now as far as your bible quotes go, those mean nothing at all, because A people take them out of context, and B the bible was written mainly by peter, who has more influence on Christianity than Jesus himself.
@njfreddy When you people imply all these things about God having to give up his only son and having to give up his glory etc....you do not even realize how small you are making God. WE need HIM, not the other way around. So he wouldn't NEED to do anything. there is a verse in the Koran that says " if all humans were to commit sin and forget about God, he would not lose one matter of his kingdom, and if all humans were to pray and commit themselves to Him his kingdom would not gain one matter"
@njfreddy And dont try to tell me that the Koran is wrong or is Pagan etc....cause I believe the Koran is the last after the Torah and Bible, the REAL versions of them that have been lost forever.
@AvonBarksdale101 The Bible is 100% TRUE!! all 4 gospels agrees that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins on a roman cross and resurrected on the 3rd day!!! and thats CORE of the christian faith..If u dont believe it htan ur not a christian PERIOD!!
@Jerseygirl8999 There are hundreds of versions of the Bible also, yet only ONE version of the Quran. So stop playing games and affiliating God with this holy trinity non sense and praying to Jesus, you praise the Creation, I praise the Creator. THAT is the difference between me and you sweetheart.
@AvonBarksdale101 there might be 100's of different version of the Bible but they all say the same things..that Jesus died and resurrected!! so whats the point ur making??
....Jesus(pbuh) was a man, therefor he needed to go to the bathroom, take a shower, eat, drink, work, etc... All the things a MAN needs to do, you are minimizing God's eternal and infinite power by even suggesting that he came down and died for us. That is so ridiculous Christianity is INSTANTLY invalid for that belief right there. Not to mention the 300 years after his " death" to write the bible, and that if you add up all the things Jesus himself said in the bible it only adds up to 1 hour.
@AvonBarksdale101 what are you even talking about..seriously no Christian thinks that God needs us every Christian believes we need God. But the death of Jesus showed Gods love for us..something that your false pagan god allah can not show.
@Jerseygirl8999 lol yes, why don't you think about that statement for a second. God was forced by some other power to create a son, and then send him down to earth and have him sacrificed because of his love for us. Are you retarded? The whole idea that Jesus HAD to die on the cross for us to have a chance in heaven takes away Gods will and choice to do WHATEVER He pleases. THAT is called an ULTIMATUM, NOT what you call His " love " for us. ALSO that takes away the power of choice..
And your arrogance in thinking you are guaranteed for heaven simply because you believe Jesus(pbuh) died on the cross for you is another reason why you need to wake up and really understand what you are saying. At the end you said " God literally came down and died for me" Do you understand how retarded that is? That line makes it seem like God is the one who needs your company in heaven, so he manifested into man and died for you...I don't think so. You are the one who needs Him.
The bible was written 300 years after Jesus' " Death", and on top of that flourished in Europe, by Peter. So you are the one who is confused. And it says " It APPEARED to them that they crucified him...etc" not that someone else was there. Peter is at fault for killing the bible.
@njfreddy sorry my mistake, you still dont find that odd? that almost 100 years after his death it was completed. You find me a verse where Jesus says "worship me".
on the 2nd part ..quran never said someone else took his place ..it says (( they didnt kill him nor crucify him but they thought they did )) in other words it appeared to them ... WHERE DOES THE QURAN SAYS THEY KILLED SOMEONE ELSE ??? get on islam's level you hater :)
LOOOL you seem desperate to proof islam is wrong :) ..god said they did not kill him at first ....and then about jesus said the day i was born and the day I DIE not DIED that means he is NOT DEAD ..so there is NO CONTRADICTION ..he will come again to this world but you noobs will never beleive LOL ..go watch ahmed deedat debates owning the christians from their own bible lol ..
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Jesus body really did die. The Roman soldiers made sure of that. They were experts at killing people. Jesus Christ's physical body was 100-percent human [a person], not just part human. Our bodies can die, and so could his.
When we die, our physical body dies, BUT OUR SOUL AND SPIRIT REMAIN.
The same is true of Jesus Christ. His physical body died, but his inner self is eternal [Spirit] and as such, could not die. Heb.2:18 states, "he [Jesus] also suffered once for sinsthat he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh [physical body] but made alive in the Spirit [the fullness of God]."
Non Muslims don't want to hear about Islam, Geert Wilders life is threatened, by muslims....That's against our laws and it is evil. Islam is not peaceful. Muslims show it everyday...and the koran shows it with its words. You can't change what words say.
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God, I thank Thee, For again giving me, A new lease of life. For saving me from death & surrounding me with a defensive wall. The cruel wanted to take my life But, I stood firm on ur comandments. They r the supporters of the wicked & Donot understand Thee. Ur grace is my guardian: Thou hast saved me & Thou willed that, They could not catch my soul. Thou came to the rescue of this humble servant, It is Thee, Who saved my life from the clutches of the powerful
There are millions of people just in united states in past one decade that were declared dead by Doctors who are much more qualified in medicine & surgery than Roman Soldier and Romans who did try failed crucifixion (Wa Ma Salabu) of Jesus. And later these people in US hospitals were resuscitated, in same way was Jesus resuscitated but Paul told to Roman Pagans that he was Resurrected- A lie
@PurgingFalsehood - My friend I read a lot from the site you gave and I'm keeping my mind open, but I do believe that if God had intended to say that Jesus didn't die on the cross, and not that he wasn't crucified altogether he wouldn't have said "they neither crucified nor killed him" it would have been sufficient to say "they did not crucify him". I hope you understand what I'm saying.
@psychlopes1976 my dear friend this is gods answer for you christians who your entire faith rest on this crucifiction and keep saying he died for your sins ...god is telling you he didnt die nor crucified ..keep researching plz :)
@psychlopes1976 yes bro im a noob lol sorry xD ..i didnt read the entire thread well i hope christian ppl would get my point ..peace to you brother :)
Quran never ever deny that Jesus was not tried on cross but STRICTLY deny his death on cross. A person who does not die on cross CANNOT BE said CRUCIFIED. If a person dies on CROSS, we say , He is crucified. If person does not dies on cross we will say "he is thu tried on cross but is NOT CRUCIFIED--> in arabic it will be "WA MA SALABU---> the world used in Quran
I think this guy just has to understand that it is not mentioned in the Qur'an that "another was given his place" but it more says "it was made to appear so to them". What he states is only a interpretation of what might have been meant by "made to appear so to them".
If he would understand this he wouldnt have the problem to make his mind about Allah decieving people and changing His mind or stuff like that...no moral dilemma no scriptual contradiction...
The day i was born the day i die and the day i rise up again. We believe jesus will return soon and die as all humans do. He too will rise as all humans would on the day of judgement.
Also, when did Jesus say he has come to die for us. Wait, Paul said he washed our sins away. I'm pretty sure if Jesus did this he would state in his own words: "I have died for your sins"
In Matt 26:2 Jesus says, "As you know, PASSOVER begins in two days, and the SON OF MAN WILL BE HANDED OVER TO BE CRUCIFIED."
Luke 18:31-34 says, "Taking the Twelve Disciples aside, Jesus said, Listen, were going up to Jerusalem, where all the Predictions of the Prophets concerning the Son of Man will come true. He will be handed over to the Romans, and he will be MOCKED, TREATED SHAMEFULLY, AND SPIT UPON...
...They will FLOG HIM WITH A WHIP AND KILL HIM, BUT ON THE THIRD DAY HE WILL RISE AGAIN. BUT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS. THE SIGNIFICANCE WAS HIDDEN FROM THEM, AND THEY FAILED TO GRASP WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT."
The Bible said his disciples fled him. The Koran never said there was a replacement, that is how some interpret it. Jesus said he would be gone for 3 days and 3 nights like Jonah. If the crucifixion happened the way it was said the happen, he was dead for 1 day and 3 nights, which would make Jesus a liar. Also dying would make his miracle unlike Jonah's. Some scriptures say only a roman pagan centurion witnessed it. and When jesus came back he said "Am I not Flesh and Bone"
That Pauline christians only comprised on two groups either 1- hypocrites or 2- fools
Jay smith it seems me u are an liar and fool too. Jesus was a man and all men die. Thu he survived death on cross but later was died at old age. U foooools are godless from 2000 yrs
Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on 2nd link in under logo area
Allah/Muhammad said Jesus only "seemed" to be crucified-why would God do that?
Pretty mean of "Allah" to trick ALL of Jesus' apostles into giving up the rest of their lives to go around, being beheaded or crucified for preaching and teaching everyone that God had raised Jesus from the dead 3 days after his crucifixion.
Allah- then goes on "deceiving" all the Christians for the next 600 years-never telling them that they'd been "lied" to by Jesus and his apostles-until MUHAMMAD came along???
In-fact Christianity Is the Plagiarized Version of Mithraism-An ancient Persian/Iranian Theology. Jesus & Mithra, son of Ormuzd, are both the same MYTH.
Christianity & Mithraism:
w w w . vexen . co . uk / religion / Mithraism . html
Major Types of Christianity:
w w w . vexen . co . uk / religion / christianity_types.html
Forgery in Christianity by Joseph Wheless:
w w w . infidels . org / library / historical / joseph_wheless
Roman Pagans are the stupidest people in this universe. God of pagans was died 2000 yr ago & So these BRAIN-BLIND stubborn PAGANS are GODLESS from 2000 yrs. They Must borrow now on lease a stone-god from Hindus.
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Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd .
you should be carefulwhen you listen to this man, there are so many contradictions of wheather the disiples were there or not or weather they were close or far, mary for example was supposed to be near the cross but in the gospel of mark she was "far" from the cross...
" Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have"
err...i dont know about you but i cannot recall on anything about "holes", infact this verse is open to diffrent interpretation, it could be argue that he is saying look at my hands and feet because it was not me on the cross.
Quran, authentic Hadiths, Authentic history & Even Crudely Forged bibles VERY CLEARLY say that Jesus survived death on Cross and died later at Old Age. So TRUTH is, that GOD of Roman Pagans Jesus has been died 2000 yr ago and these brain-blind deaf & dumb pagans are GODLESS from 2000 yr. They are suggested to borrow at least one stone-god now from Hindus. Hindus have millions gods, so they can lend u one stone-made god happily with affordable rent/yr. Refer to truth at: go2cut d o t com/LA
It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on 2nd link in under logo area
Many people incl majority of Roman pagans do not know who was founder of Roman Paganism, Paul? Paul was a Roman Tent maker. Later hired by Romans as a policeman. He was deployed as bounty hunter for the heads of Christians. He was capturing Christians & then killing them like animals. Now after killing thousands Jew, if Hitler claims that he alone has seen Moses in Vision & writes dozen of Acts. Will Jew follow him? But these Roman pagans are brain-blind stupid fanatics
Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on 2nd link in under logo area
This guy does not know what he is talking about i am not even a scholar and i coud beat him in a debait i have watched a lot of his videos he just mis quotes verse and talks without knowladge if you don't have knowladge he can fole you but if you read the quran you can see that he is talking rubish. can't bebite real scholars there is not point he would lose and just make himself look stupide.
Professor Mahmud Shaltut, Grand Mufti-Egypt & Past Rector of Azhar University has said in Fatwa: ( tinyurl d o t com/35ps6c ):
That according to Quran, Jesus survived death on CROSS but in later life he was died naturally & the Hadiths abt Ascend/Descend were narrated by two hypocrites "Wahab bin Munnabba" & "Ka'ab Al-Ahbar".
These liar Munafik Mullas hv attached this Quranic truth to Stupid Qadianis in order to escape from truth & to support Christians' & Jewish fable
Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on 2nd link in under logo area
Roman Pagans (Paulism) called Chri$tians are the stupidest people in this universe. god of these dumb pagans was died 2000 yr ago & So these DUMB BRAIN-BLIND STUPID PAGANS are GODless from 2000 yrs. They Must borrow/rent a stone-god from Hindus now.
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Two words. IGNORANT MUSLIM. It's amazing how much deception is in this world, despite all the warning in the Bible of a false prophet and false prophets preaching Gospels that are different from the manuscripts, people still managed to get decieved. Yashu'a HaMaschia was ressurected, and stone god what have you been smoking, it's amazing that yout got things bawards, Muslims are the ones that worship an arab moon god, that was already their in pre arabia.
God, I thnk Thee, For again giving me, A new lease of life. For saving me frm death&surrounding me with a defensive wall. The cruel wanted to take my life But I stood firm on ur comandments. They r suporter of the wicked & Donot understand Thee. Ur grace is my guardian: Thou hast saved me & Thou willed tht, They could not catch my soul. Thou came to the rescue of this humble servant, It is Thee, Who saved my life frm the clutches of the powerful
The word Rafa is used many time in Quran. and always it meaning in Quran are to EXATLT IN RANK SPIRTUALLY and not that GOD lifted him or took him up with his mortal body
If u say that Jesus charted a stealth Jet fighter and fled to GOD, then I will ask you, that as per ur believes he was himself GOD so how he went to him self?????.
Simply u roman pagans are brain-blind stupid moron
Quran did not deny incident of Cross but deny his death on cross and so Bibles does too
Well good job Muslim you just contradicted many scholars on this fact, as well as the ones I learned from when I was learning the Quran. Also who are you calling a pagan go some where with your false god.
Quran, authentic Hadiths, Authentic history & Even Crudely Forged bibles VERY CLEARLY say that Jesus survived death on Cross and died later at Old Age. So TRUTH is, that GOD of Roman Pagans Jesus has been died 2000 yr ago and these brain-blind deaf & dumb pagans are GODLESS from 2000 yr. They are suggested to borrow at least one stone-god now from Hindus. Hindus have millions gods, so they can lend u one stone-made god happily with affordable rent/yr. Refer to truth at: go2cut doot com/LA
Wow good job you provide such a scenerio about what some so called Christians said. Do you even know what a Christian is. Thats a big contradiction to the Bible, besides their were no such things a Christians just disciples, the term Christian wasn't given till at Antinoch. So you explain were you got that misinfo.
A christian is someone how belives that jesuse is god dispite the fact that he never said worship me. ifjesuse was god please tell me why did he pray.
Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on a link in red area
the man that got put on the crosse choose to because he knew that god would reward him. jesuse say's in the bible the anyont that dies will become a ghoste. when jesuse saw them in the room he said to them i am not a ghoste handle me and see. he told the jews in the bible. i will do the mirical of jonah and the wale. johan was alive in the wale for three day's and jesuse was in the toumbe alive for free day's if you don't belive me read the bible.
Yes it makes lot's of sense, you Muslims become illiterate when reading the Bible and remove sentences out of context, you left the Part out when Thomas called Jesus God and Jesus did not rebuke him.
It's simple really, you Muslims ask the same questions I use to ask, but nop matter how many times I got the answer I still would not listen or try to understand, but here is why. 'No one has known', or 'Nobody has seen' has a whole different connotation from 'no one knows' or 'nobody knows', because it is actually saying 'nobody has known in the past'. So with the exact translation,
Jesus does know everything I can provide a verse. Finish reading my comments I put two, Jesus was speaking in the past tense also as a man. I left Islam, after I learned more out of scholar teachings, I read the Quran and wanted to look into it,, but I was getting a different history that contradicted the Bible and didn't line up, it was curiosity that got me in Islam, and research that got me out, as well as God confirming his word is still uncorrupted, staying 99.9 accurate.
Yeah 99.9% accurate because bats are birds and rabbits chew their cud to name just two of the glaring stupidities in your silly little holy book.
What was the order of creation again? Oh? You don't know the order because there are two versions of creation? Wow, that's pretty amazing for the uncorrupted word of god don't you think?
What you put are common misunderstandings atheist have without trying to understand. I can easily explain all of what your implying, if your willing to understand. I don't know why you atheists always resort to these things without ever trying to understand then claim the bible is stupid. It's like you saying something about science and because I don't understand it I dismiss all of science.
What your proof that the bible is still acurate when learnerd men who are christians have addmited that the bible has been changed. I left christianity after i did my resarch and can to islam i read the hole bible and it contradicted the teachings of paul because that is what christians follow. jesus say in the bible i can of my own self do nothing.
Well I'm educated as wel I can provide more proof if you want. Also the writings of Paul are the teachings of Jesus, and I alread sent you a link as to why Jesus said, that He is in submission to the Fathers will, it's amazing how you ignore all the other verses concerning His claims of divinity and pick this one because you don't understand it.
In ezekiel 18:20-22. GOS SAYS. The one who sins is the one who dies the son shall not be punished for the fathers sins nor the father for his son's sin's. the righeous person will be rewarded for his own goodness and the wicked person for his wickednes. But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins and begins to obey my law and do what is just and right he shall surely live and not die all his past sins will be fogotten and he shall live because of his goodness. Explaine please.
Wow of course you'd ask that, but the .1 that is inaccurate comes from, you know like copying errors and typos, God's word is infalliable but translators are, the 99.9 is that the orginal message with it's context is still their even after more that 3,000 years.
I am aware of why there are errors, I'm asking you what the errors are. What part of god's word isn't god's word? What parts can we ignore as mistakes and what parts should we follow as the word of god? This is very important stuff.
There are nearly 800,000 words in the bible, I need to know which 800 words are wrong, that is assuming that your figure of 0.1% is correct and not completely made up. I guess it could be 1% or 10%, how can we really tell, how will we ever know?
All of it is God's word, do you escpect any book translated from different laguages to be absoluteley perfect when it is being done by faliable humans? You took the 99.9 to seriously, the Bible is still accurate, just like what I'm typing here, but I can make a typo so, then this comment isn't 100% accurate.
God is omniscient right? God knew that English would become the most international language in the world today and that over a billion non believers would speak Chinese?
God is omnipotent right? Why didn't god hide ancient English & Chinese versions of all the books of the bible somewhere and then have someone find them today?
What better way to prove his existence and to prove that the bible really is the word of god. What better way to ensure that everyone gets saved?
I'm assuming this is a serious question but because of lack of room I shall send you a message. Also your right God did know this that's why their is this amazing thing about the Bible, it can be translated. Also the Hebrew scriptures were written in Hebrew and Aramaic. God says He's revealed himself to everyone and everyone that does not know of Him is willigly ignorant. Also the Bible has proven itself to be God's word which I'll provide in the message I'll send.
Further: Instead of hiding leather and parchment scrolls including small parts of the bible in some cave in the desert (dead sea scrolls) why didn't he write the entire bible out in all languages that would ever exist and write the books on some kind of indestructible material? If god really wanted his word to be clear to the whole world (which of course he did because he wouldn't want to be misunderstood or predjudice against a particular culture) then why not just do that? Simple.
First of all the bible explains the writings will be hiding till the appointed time in the last days then they'll be found, even if all the old manuscripts and writings were found I doubt people would still believe it. Also I think your asking about what about people who haven't heard the Gospel well I'll explain that in the message as well.
First of all you don't have a better moral compass than God does but I'll cover that later. Now first of all God does not murder, but passes judgement, on the wicked, I can explain the judgement that people refer to as genocide which is false. God condemns slavery and their are many verses for this, I'll send ya link since I can't send it here. These are also common misunderstandings that I never tried to understand as an atheist because of my bias.
You are wrong, god specifically and unmistakably condones slavery in Exodus and other parts of the bible. The reason slavery is condoned in the bible is that it isn't the word of god. There are also MANY instances in the bible of god murdering innocents himself and ordering others to do so.
Ever heard of Passover or the destruction of sodom and gomorrah? You think there weren't innocent children and babies killed during those events? You can't get away from the fact that your god is a bastard.
I'm assuming you got my message and ignored them. so I'm going to jump to the children and infants. Probably the most difficult part of these commands from God is that God ordered the death of children and infants as well. Why would God order the death of innocent children? (1) Children are not innocent (Psalm 51:5; 58:3). (2) These children would have likely grown up as adherents to the evil religions and practices of their parents.
Children are innocent because you say so? And you goto put words in my mouth, maybe you became illiterate when I was trying to help you understand. You have no idea what your saying because you don't even understand what your accusing.
As you wish first of all it wasn't murder it was judgement, you should look up the definition of murder. As for children, they were likely taken to heaven never to suffer again or become as evil as their parents. God's judgments are just, plus He is the originator of life so if you rebel He can take it.
You saying anything is wrong is equilvulent to "I love pie", that provides no basis for arguing with someone who disagrees. You also provided a strawman because you ignored everything I said in my previous comments. Also I am rational enough to know the bible provides, a bases for tuth, knowledge, and rationality as well as history. It's very simple. My God is just, and provided free salvation and a basis for morality, to which many live by, including you.
Your god has nothing to do with my morality. For a start, in case you hadn't noticed, he doesn't actually exist. You may as well say you get your moral code from the easter bunny.
I have a much higher moral standard than your fictional god and to claim otherwise is utterly laughable. He's a disgusting monster and like I've said before, if he did exist, I wouldn't want anything to do with him.
Abritrary claim, I concur. Their are no philosophical or logical arguments for the Easter bunny, that I know of. Next, you have to show me many witnesses' accounts in history and present time that claim that the Easter bunny revealed these things you claim in your argument as true but I will give validity to it if you produce a huge number of testimonies.
Your moral standard means nothing to me, I care about God's not your opinions. Also good job admitting your bias, you hate his judgements. It's amazing how you ignore the things He says that even you consider moral. The same things you accuse Him of is what He condemns.
@PfanderFilms Hello Mr. Jay Smith ! I was surprised you havn't mentioned one Sura about the death of Jesus.
The Coran explicitely says that Allah will cause Jesus to die and then elevate (or exalt) him to Him in Sura Al Imrane 3:55:
«When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection...»
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this is how you find the errors in the bible...
see the accounts of one person. mark luke john ect . .
then see the same accounts of someone else of the same account and youll find there would be many insetsy ini.. for example one person would say he said this.. anoyther would say compltry something else..
one person would say he said nothign when he was on the cross and die that way. another wouls say he said my father ect .. also go on my page and youll see many listed in the infos
rudeboywaz 2 months ago
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Sura 4:157 is talking about the Crucifixion( Crux Figure) of Julius Caesar (Divus Iulius), see my Video on my Channel, who is jesus
thone2008 3 months ago
Alright let's talk about the crucifixion. I'd like to talk about any Christian religious fairytales you want.
bigboy45454545 5 months ago
The early Christians beliefs that Jesus was not Crucified,truth of Quran become clear=QR: But they killed him not but so it was made to apear to them,and those who differ therein are full of doubt,with no certain knowledge,but only conjecture to follow.for a surety they killed him not
Mark 7:8 you leave the commandement of God,and hold fast the tradation of men Corinthains 15:15 becoz we testified of God that he RAISED CHRIST whom he did not raise if it true that the dead are not raised
mirzanajib 6 months ago
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mohammad was a mass-murdering, child-rapist,
muslims regard him as their " best example "
- no wonder they are scum
53yoMoRAPESa9yoChild 6 months ago
It's hard to believe the muslims because their own religion tells them to lie to non-believers.
DavidTheDefender 6 months ago
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Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 6 months ago
What is the sign of profet Jonah?
AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION
SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT,
BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND
THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND
THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH."(Matthew 12:39-40)
Jonah was ALLIVE Jesus was ALLIVE !!!
If Jesus was not Allive,prophecy was not fulfiled !
munktorp 7 months ago
@munktorp - Here we go with the typical acontextual, eisegetical reading of Biblical verses to support the Islamic paradigm.
MultiArchangel 3 months ago
No one of disciples was there ! Proof is Mark 14:50
3 days and 3 nights : friday night saturday morning saturday night sunday morning was empty tomb !!!!
that is 2 nights and 1 day becouse on the sunday tomb was empty !
He did not fulfil the prophecy !
munktorp 7 months ago
No one of disciples was there ! Proof: Mark 14:50
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Koran 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
; Koran and Isalm is a anti-Christianity faith.
Lionheart7100 8 months ago
Nice video :) It really annoys me when muslims say Jesus didn't die on the cross and then say he was replaced by someone else!!!! because i don't believe that got would do that. The real question however is not was Jesus crucified because obvioulsy he was but was Jesus really god?? Thats what i have trouble believing.
AngelEyesz89 10 months ago
What happen if I hear public cursing?
(Leviticusc-ch-5-vs-1)
“Now in case a soul sins in that he has heard public cursing and he is a witness or he has seen it or has come to know of it, if he does not report it, then he must answer for his error.
quranresponse 11 months ago
Did Jesus prove his death or deny it?
Luke-ch-24-vs-34
Saying, for a fact the lord was raised up and he appeared to Simon, 35- now they themselves related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the loaf.
36- While they were speaking of these things he himself stood in their midst [[and said to them: “may you have
quranresponse 11 months ago
peace.”]]
37- But because they were terrified, and had become frightened, they were imagining they beheld a spirit.
38- So he said to them: “why are you troubled, and why it is doubts come up in your hearts?
39- See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; feel my and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you behold that I have.
40- [[and as he said this he showed them his hands and his feet ]]
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41- But while they were still not believing for sheer joy and were wondering, he said to them: “do you have something to eat?
42- and they handed him a piece of broiled fish; 43- and he took it and ate it before their eyes.
44- He now said to them: “these are my words which I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written in the Law of Moses and in the prophets and psalms about me must be fulfilled. 45- then he opened up their minds fully to
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must be fulfilled. 45- then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the scriptures, 46- and he said to them: “in this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day,47- and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sin would be preached in all the nations-starting out from Jerusalem.
quranresponse 11 months ago
the deal is -- and this is why the whole argument exists -----
if Christ did not die and rise again -- then the whole basis for Christianity
is bogus - something Muslims would love to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
and therefore prove us wrong --- sorry it happened --period
and WHY did Allah decieve us for so long ?? that is not a god I want to follow ---
I'll go to hell .........
Yizlanu 11 months ago
Jay Smith: TRUTH IS THIS:
1- Quran never denies nailing of Jesus on Cross but denies his death on Cross
2- Quran never says, tht someone else took his place on Cross
3- Quran makes it so clear as is sun on sky tht Thu Jesus survived death on Cross but was died at very old age & dead never return.
4- Authentic Hadiths [not gorged ones] also confirm tht Jesus is died.
Fanatics twist Quran and Hadith to support their unsound believes.
Pls refer to the great page that I have posted already
PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago 38
@PurgingFalsehood
You never studied quran...
show me a single verse from quran which says Jesus was killed?
xSherKhanx 11 months ago
@PurgingFalsehood Allah explicitly says he will cause Jesus to die then elevate him to His presence in Sura Al Imrane 3:55:
God said: "O Jesus, I will let you die (Mutawafeeka), and raise you (wa Rafiiuka) to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me is your return so I will judge between all of you in what it was that you disputed."
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Factszz 1 month ago
@Amrruk
Translation by One of the most Qualified & most UNBIASED Quanic Scholar Dr. Mohammad Asad:
3:55 (Asad) Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily, I shall CAUSE THEE TO DIE, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection. In the end, unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you .........
Factszz 1 month ago
Dr. Mohd. Asad writes in comments about verse 3:55, & 4:158:
Cf. 3:55, where God says to Jesus, "Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me." The verb rafa ahu (lit., "he raised him" or "elevated him") has always, whenever the act of raf’ ("elevating") of a human being is attributed to God, the meaning of "honouring" or "exalting".
Nowhere in the Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven.
Factszz 1 month ago
Guys
If want to read a full fledged Rational and the best scholarly page on this subject, then search following line in Google w/o quotation marks: It will be first hit:
"Flow diagram and Jesus"
This page discusses in the light of Bible, Quran, History, Hadiths, Expert Scholarly opinion, Metaphysics and much more/
If u are an honest unbiased person, u will be very glad to find to read that page. If u are a fanatic, u may have to call 911
PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago 28
May i ask juste 2 questions to you christians?
Honestly say tell me when does Jesus died on the Cross...
Honestly tell me where does he put on the cross.
If you cant even answer to these question from the bible, then why you say that the Quran is incorrect ?
Type Misquoting Jesus on youtube to see the diference between a schollar and an apologist christian like we have here...
Logia1978 1 year ago
Ther is nothing in the Quran saying that there was someone else on the cross... Nothing.
Muslims try to underestand what happened. Some said a guilty man was placed on the cross.
This an interpretation and not what the quran said.
I suggest you look at Shabir Ally's debates...
No of his apostles were near Jesus because, the bible said, every one fled.....
Logia1978 1 year ago
the day i was born, the day I DIE and the day I will rise again.
Not Died in past form...
Please christians do not misquot the Quran wich will only turn against us and show us as liars.
Muslim does not Misquot us. They attack our real believes as we believe in them.... So we must respond their believe without misquoting or changing their believes.
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peace be with you
gerryboy101 1 year ago
Amen
kaguvi777 1 year ago
Hallelujah!
millball 1 year ago
All Glory, Honour, Praise 2 God Almighty!!! May God keep u safe in His Wonderful Word. A wonderful REFUTATION of those who deny the truth of God's Inspired Word, the Bible. These r without doubt the times that we Christians have been warned about especially by the Lord Jesus Himself. Many anti-Christ's r in the world seeking 2 set about their own ideas as 2 obtaining righteousness. It's good 2 c many Christians on yt refuting lies + deceit...ur brother in Christ Jesus...
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
that verse doenst say the day that i DIED dumbass it say s the day that i "DIE" so your argument is false to begin with there is no need to see and waste my time any longer your fucken liar
asafdarih 1 year ago
@TruthBroadcasting jesus didnt claim to be god..he told hes folowers to pray to god
that means he cant be god...christianity god mixt up with peganism tough
taymaz1 1 year ago
@taymaz1 A PERSON CAN'T GRASP SPIRITUAL WORDS WITH A CARNAL + UNREPENTANT MIND. THE BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD + WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE NEED 4 REPENTANCE PPL R FOOLED IN2 THINKING THAT BECAUSE "THEY" WOULDN'T DO WHAT GOD DECIDED 2 DO: SEND HIS SON 2 TAKE OUR PLACE ON THE CROSS, THEN THAT MEANS GOD WOULDN'T??? GOD HAS LEFT THE MESSAGE AS 2 Y HIS SON ASSUMED HUMAN NATURE IN HEBREW CHAPTERS1 + 2 + 3.
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
@taymaz1 -smart ass.
Quirfa 1 year ago
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
02mrhifh 1 year ago
@02mrhifh
That's about two people having an affair. Deut 22:22-24 she isn't forced
into the act. "Cried not" didn't turn him down. Deut 22:25-27 a man only
is stoned for forcing himself on a woman who "cried."
rehzon 1 year ago
On top of that Jesus is mentioned in the bible MORE than any other Prophet, even Muhammad(pbuh). Everything you are saying is incorrect.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 you seriously need to read the Bible and stop making these stupid statements..because everything you said in your comments the Bible goes into deepness and explains it all...you making these statements shows you do not read the Bible.
Jerseygirl8999 1 year ago
@Jerseygirl8999 ...that God had given us in the first place. Your notions are ridiculous, I DO BELIEVE in the bible, just NOT the version that Peter sent to Europe and had mixed with YOUR pagan beliefs. If you add up everything Jesus said in the bible its sums up to ONE hour of words. Jesus never said to worship him, for he worshiped the ONE God himself. The idea of a trinity started YEARS after Jesus had been lifted to heaven. By one of the popes. You need to read the bible not me.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 I tell u what!! find me in the bible where Jesus said "Stop or DON'T WORSHIP ME" since he was worship by many!!
njfreddy 1 year ago
@njfreddy My point is you are worshiping a creation of God and not God Himself. That is my point. Jesus was a man, and with all due respect had to go to the bathroom, clean, eat, drink, sleep. All the things a MAN needs to do. These are not Godly features. Nor does God need to sacrifice Himself for us. Lol the logic is ridiculous.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 Jesus is God in the Flesh read..Isaiah 43:3..Isaiah 43:11..then read..Philippians 3:21...read Isaiah.44:6..now read...Rev 1: 17-18...read it and weep son!!!
njfreddy 1 year ago
@njfreddy That means absolutely nothing at all, one of the biggest sins is associating God with a partner. And you are doing it blindly, so I guess it is not your fault but what you have been taught. Jesus is a prophet who was born of a miracle. God is not and never was a MAN, you are ridiculous for even thinking such a thing.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 see thats ur problem i show u were Jesus claim to be God by saying He is the First and the Last..just Like God said in Isaiah..and u say it dont mean nothing?? ill show u where it says that Jesus was in the form of God ...then became a Human being..and for God to become a Human he had to give up all the Glory that he has that is attached to been God...Read Phillipians 2:5-7 read it and weep son!!!
njfreddy 1 year ago
@njfreddy What you say is incorrect, when you claim that God became a human and had to give up His glory, you are implying that there is another power out there that is above Him, that basically said " its either your power or the humans" which we all know is not the case, now as far as your bible quotes go, those mean nothing at all, because A people take them out of context, and B the bible was written mainly by peter, who has more influence on Christianity than Jesus himself.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@njfreddy When you people imply all these things about God having to give up his only son and having to give up his glory etc....you do not even realize how small you are making God. WE need HIM, not the other way around. So he wouldn't NEED to do anything. there is a verse in the Koran that says " if all humans were to commit sin and forget about God, he would not lose one matter of his kingdom, and if all humans were to pray and commit themselves to Him his kingdom would not gain one matter"
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@njfreddy And dont try to tell me that the Koran is wrong or is Pagan etc....cause I believe the Koran is the last after the Torah and Bible, the REAL versions of them that have been lost forever.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 The Bible is 100% TRUE!! all 4 gospels agrees that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins on a roman cross and resurrected on the 3rd day!!! and thats CORE of the christian faith..If u dont believe it htan ur not a christian PERIOD!!
njfreddy 1 year ago
@njfreddy - they all disagree with each other.
amooballer 1 year ago
@amooballer yeah like im goin to believe u read every one of them
njfreddy 1 year ago
@Jerseygirl8999 There are hundreds of versions of the Bible also, yet only ONE version of the Quran. So stop playing games and affiliating God with this holy trinity non sense and praying to Jesus, you praise the Creation, I praise the Creator. THAT is the difference between me and you sweetheart.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 there might be 100's of different version of the Bible but they all say the same things..that Jesus died and resurrected!! so whats the point ur making??
njfreddy 1 year ago
....Jesus(pbuh) was a man, therefor he needed to go to the bathroom, take a shower, eat, drink, work, etc... All the things a MAN needs to do, you are minimizing God's eternal and infinite power by even suggesting that he came down and died for us. That is so ridiculous Christianity is INSTANTLY invalid for that belief right there. Not to mention the 300 years after his " death" to write the bible, and that if you add up all the things Jesus himself said in the bible it only adds up to 1 hour.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 what are you even talking about..seriously no Christian thinks that God needs us every Christian believes we need God. But the death of Jesus showed Gods love for us..something that your false pagan god allah can not show.
Jerseygirl8999 1 year ago
@Jerseygirl8999 lol yes, why don't you think about that statement for a second. God was forced by some other power to create a son, and then send him down to earth and have him sacrificed because of his love for us. Are you retarded? The whole idea that Jesus HAD to die on the cross for us to have a chance in heaven takes away Gods will and choice to do WHATEVER He pleases. THAT is called an ULTIMATUM, NOT what you call His " love " for us. ALSO that takes away the power of choice..
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
And your arrogance in thinking you are guaranteed for heaven simply because you believe Jesus(pbuh) died on the cross for you is another reason why you need to wake up and really understand what you are saying. At the end you said " God literally came down and died for me" Do you understand how retarded that is? That line makes it seem like God is the one who needs your company in heaven, so he manifested into man and died for you...I don't think so. You are the one who needs Him.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
The bible was written 300 years after Jesus' " Death", and on top of that flourished in Europe, by Peter. So you are the one who is confused. And it says " It APPEARED to them that they crucified him...etc" not that someone else was there. Peter is at fault for killing the bible.
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
@AvonBarksdale101 The Bible wasn't written no 300 years later??!! it was written between 30-90 years
njfreddy 1 year ago
@njfreddy sorry my mistake, you still dont find that odd? that almost 100 years after his death it was completed. You find me a verse where Jesus says "worship me".
AvonBarksdale101 1 year ago
on the 2nd part ..quran never said someone else took his place ..it says (( they didnt kill him nor crucify him but they thought they did )) in other words it appeared to them ... WHERE DOES THE QURAN SAYS THEY KILLED SOMEONE ELSE ??? get on islam's level you hater :)
b2bb55 1 year ago
LOOOL you seem desperate to proof islam is wrong :) ..god said they did not kill him at first ....and then about jesus said the day i was born and the day I DIE not DIED that means he is NOT DEAD ..so there is NO CONTRADICTION ..he will come again to this world but you noobs will never beleive LOL ..go watch ahmed deedat debates owning the christians from their own bible lol ..
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PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago 25
Flames - Flames - Flames
The BEST AUTHENTIC SITE with many many authentic references on this subject is at: w w w . smalur . com / wH
(remove spaces from web address
This site burns the fictitious tree of Pauline Constantinian Roman Paganism from its roots. U might sense fumes & flames of that fake tree when u have read that site fully with its all videos and files links.
You will realize that Pauline Christianiany is the biggest dogmatic fraud in mankind history.
PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago 2
FictionsBlaster said In Dead Sea Scrolls, Jesus said:
How can Jesus be in the dead Sea Scrolls when it predates Jesus.
Mikligard 1 year ago
@ PurgingFalsehood
PERSONS DIE ON CROSSES, NOT NATURES!
Jesus body really did die. The Roman soldiers made sure of that. They were experts at killing people. Jesus Christ's physical body was 100-percent human [a person], not just part human. Our bodies can die, and so could his.
When we die, our physical body dies, BUT OUR SOUL AND SPIRIT REMAIN.
InfidelForce2009 1 year ago
@ PurgingFalsehood
OUR SOUL AND SPIRIT ARE ETERNAL; THEY NEVER DIE.
The same is true of Jesus Christ. His physical body died, but his inner self is eternal [Spirit] and as such, could not die. Heb.2:18 states, "he [Jesus] also suffered once for sinsthat he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh [physical body] but made alive in the Spirit [the fullness of God]."
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Non Muslims don't want to hear about Islam, Geert Wilders life is threatened, by muslims....That's against our laws and it is evil. Islam is not peaceful. Muslims show it everyday...and the koran shows it with its words. You can't change what words say.
herself311 2 years ago
Really you don`t know any thing about Islam .
If you want to know the trou story ask muslim not what you think.
you can see Ahmeed deedat at the u-teub if you want to know.
lalzm1 2 years ago
Flames - Flames - Flames
The BEST AUTHENTIC SITE with many many authentic references on this subject is at:
w w w . go2cut . com / LA
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This site burns the fictitious tree of Pauline Constantinian Roman Paganism from its roots. U feel fumes & flames of that fake tree when u have read that site fully with its all videos and files links.
You will realize that Pauline Christianity is the biggest dogmatic fraud in the history of mankind
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
In Dead Sea Scrolls, Jesus said:
God, I thank Thee, For again giving me, A new lease of life. For saving me from death & surrounding me with a defensive wall. The cruel wanted to take my life But, I stood firm on ur comandments. They r the supporters of the wicked & Donot understand Thee. Ur grace is my guardian: Thou hast saved me & Thou willed that, They could not catch my soul. Thou came to the rescue of this humble servant, It is Thee, Who saved my life from the clutches of the powerful
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
There are millions of people just in united states in past one decade that were declared dead by Doctors who are much more qualified in medicine & surgery than Roman Soldier and Romans who did try failed crucifixion (Wa Ma Salabu) of Jesus. And later these people in US hospitals were resuscitated, in same way was Jesus resuscitated but Paul told to Roman Pagans that he was Resurrected- A lie
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
@PurgingFalsehood - My friend I read a lot from the site you gave and I'm keeping my mind open, but I do believe that if God had intended to say that Jesus didn't die on the cross, and not that he wasn't crucified altogether he wouldn't have said "they neither crucified nor killed him" it would have been sufficient to say "they did not crucify him". I hope you understand what I'm saying.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
@psychlopes1976 my dear friend this is gods answer for you christians who your entire faith rest on this crucifiction and keep saying he died for your sins ...god is telling you he didnt die nor crucified ..keep researching plz :)
b2bb55 1 year ago
@b2bb55 - I don't think you read the entire thread, I'm a Muslim, I wasn't saying Jesus died. Please read the thread from the beginning.
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@psychlopes1976 yes bro im a noob lol sorry xD ..i didnt read the entire thread well i hope christian ppl would get my point ..peace to you brother :)
b2bb55 1 year ago
Quran never ever deny that Jesus was not tried on cross but STRICTLY deny his death on cross. A person who does not die on cross CANNOT BE said CRUCIFIED. If a person dies on CROSS, we say , He is crucified. If person does not dies on cross we will say "he is thu tried on cross but is NOT CRUCIFIED--> in arabic it will be "WA MA SALABU---> the world used in Quran
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
I think this guy just has to understand that it is not mentioned in the Qur'an that "another was given his place" but it more says "it was made to appear so to them". What he states is only a interpretation of what might have been meant by "made to appear so to them".
If he would understand this he wouldnt have the problem to make his mind about Allah decieving people and changing His mind or stuff like that...no moral dilemma no scriptual contradiction...
Fontanimus 2 years ago
The day i was born the day i die and the day i rise up again. We believe jesus will return soon and die as all humans do. He too will rise as all humans would on the day of judgement.
abanni123 2 years ago
qoute the translation properly it never says he was replaced.........
abanni123 2 years ago
Also, when did Jesus say he has come to die for us. Wait, Paul said he washed our sins away. I'm pretty sure if Jesus did this he would state in his own words: "I have died for your sins"
MoshoodAdeniji 2 years ago
MoshoodAdeniji
In Matt 26:2 Jesus says, "As you know, PASSOVER begins in two days, and the SON OF MAN WILL BE HANDED OVER TO BE CRUCIFIED."
Luke 18:31-34 says, "Taking the Twelve Disciples aside, Jesus said, Listen, were going up to Jerusalem, where all the Predictions of the Prophets concerning the Son of Man will come true. He will be handed over to the Romans, and he will be MOCKED, TREATED SHAMEFULLY, AND SPIT UPON...
ichooseanother 2 years ago
MoshoodAdeniji
...They will FLOG HIM WITH A WHIP AND KILL HIM, BUT ON THE THIRD DAY HE WILL RISE AGAIN. BUT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS. THE SIGNIFICANCE WAS HIDDEN FROM THEM, AND THEY FAILED TO GRASP WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT."
There are your quotes. What Now?
ichooseanother 2 years ago
The Bible said his disciples fled him. The Koran never said there was a replacement, that is how some interpret it. Jesus said he would be gone for 3 days and 3 nights like Jonah. If the crucifixion happened the way it was said the happen, he was dead for 1 day and 3 nights, which would make Jesus a liar. Also dying would make his miracle unlike Jonah's. Some scriptures say only a roman pagan centurion witnessed it. and When jesus came back he said "Am I not Flesh and Bone"
MoshoodAdeniji 2 years ago
MoshoodAdeniji
When you learn a bit about Jewish language, you will answer yourself the assertions you have brought up here.
ichooseanother 2 years ago
just a question please? how did you get a strong voice ?
londoniran 2 years ago
It does not say "another way put in his place" it says " it was made to appear so"...
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
President Thomas Jefferson said:
That Pauline christians only comprised on two groups either 1- hypocrites or 2- fools
Jay smith it seems me u are an liar and fool too. Jesus was a man and all men die. Thu he survived death on cross but later was died at old age. U foooools are godless from 2000 yrs
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GodlessPagans 2 years ago 3
you're a fucking faggot
OchrismongrelO 2 years ago
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FictionsBlaster 2 years ago 8
Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on 2nd link in under logo area
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago 2
Chri$t+Bible Exposed by Christianity's Scholars:
Christianity & Mithraism:
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Chri$tianity's Jesus did not exist:
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Review of 'The Dead Sea Scrolls' by S. Hodge:
w w w . vexen . co . uk / books / hodge_deadseascrolls . html
I don't know why all Christianity's scholars are converting to Islam or Atheists, do you?
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago 2
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PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago 2
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Allah/Muhammad said Jesus only "seemed" to be crucified-why would God do that?
Pretty mean of "Allah" to trick ALL of Jesus' apostles into giving up the rest of their lives to go around, being beheaded or crucified for preaching and teaching everyone that God had raised Jesus from the dead 3 days after his crucifixion.
Allah- then goes on "deceiving" all the Christians for the next 600 years-never telling them that they'd been "lied" to by Jesus and his apostles-until MUHAMMAD came along???
snnicky 2 years ago
The Quran is a compliation of lies and blasphemy against the True God and his True Church!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Who said this & when?
Quote: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation."
NO this isn't (John 6:53-54), it's actually an inscription to Mithras written 600 years before Jesus.
The "Christ Myth" RAISED UP THE COUNT OF SLAIN god-men to SEVENTEEN:
w w w . mithraism . org
w w w . venusproject . com / ecs / true_origins_christianity . html
w w w . vexen . co . uk / religion / Mithraism . html
NewUCh 2 years ago 2
In-fact Christianity Is the Plagiarized Version of Mithraism-An ancient Persian/Iranian Theology. Jesus & Mithra, son of Ormuzd, are both the same MYTH.
Christianity & Mithraism:
w w w . vexen . co . uk / religion / Mithraism . html
Major Types of Christianity:
w w w . vexen . co . uk / religion / christianity_types.html
Forgery in Christianity by Joseph Wheless:
w w w . infidels . org / library / historical / joseph_wheless
Mithraism in History & Archaeology:
w w w . mithraism . org
MrPaganChrist 2 years ago 3
Roman Pagans are the stupidest people in this universe. God of pagans was died 2000 yr ago & So these BRAIN-BLIND stubborn PAGANS are GODLESS from 2000 yrs. They Must borrow now on lease a stone-god from Hindus.
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FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd .
Visit: w w w . tombofjesus . com
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
What reliable evidence from the first 600 years after Jesus' death do we have for doubting Jesus' crucifiction?
GiloRocks 2 years ago 3
you should be carefulwhen you listen to this man, there are so many contradictions of wheather the disiples were there or not or weather they were close or far, mary for example was supposed to be near the cross but in the gospel of mark she was "far" from the cross...
near, far,?make your minds up!
786LILJOKER 2 years ago
" Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have"
err...i dont know about you but i cannot recall on anything about "holes", infact this verse is open to diffrent interpretation, it could be argue that he is saying look at my hands and feet because it was not me on the cross.
786LILJOKER 2 years ago
Quran, authentic Hadiths, Authentic history & Even Crudely Forged bibles VERY CLEARLY say that Jesus survived death on Cross and died later at Old Age. So TRUTH is, that GOD of Roman Pagans Jesus has been died 2000 yr ago and these brain-blind deaf & dumb pagans are GODLESS from 2000 yr. They are suggested to borrow at least one stone-god now from Hindus. Hindus have millions gods, so they can lend u one stone-made god happily with affordable rent/yr. Refer to truth at: go2cut d o t com/LA
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
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PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
Many people incl majority of Roman pagans do not know who was founder of Roman Paganism, Paul? Paul was a Roman Tent maker. Later hired by Romans as a policeman. He was deployed as bounty hunter for the heads of Christians. He was capturing Christians & then killing them like animals. Now after killing thousands Jew, if Hitler claims that he alone has seen Moses in Vision & writes dozen of Acts. Will Jew follow him? But these Roman pagans are brain-blind stupid fanatics
GodlessPagans 2 years ago
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GodlessPagans 2 years ago 2
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FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
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muhammatsu 2 years ago
This guy does not know what he is talking about i am not even a scholar and i coud beat him in a debait i have watched a lot of his videos he just mis quotes verse and talks without knowladge if you don't have knowladge he can fole you but if you read the quran you can see that he is talking rubish. can't bebite real scholars there is not point he would lose and just make himself look stupide.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Professor Mahmud Shaltut, Grand Mufti-Egypt & Past Rector of Azhar University has said in Fatwa: ( tinyurl d o t com/35ps6c ):
That according to Quran, Jesus survived death on CROSS but in later life he was died naturally & the Hadiths abt Ascend/Descend were narrated by two hypocrites "Wahab bin Munnabba" & "Ka'ab Al-Ahbar".
These liar Munafik Mullas hv attached this Quranic truth to Stupid Qadianis in order to escape from truth & to support Christians' & Jewish fable
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
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Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on 2nd link in under logo area
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
Amazingly that's actually more ridiculous than anything freshmuzic has ever said, wow.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
What I say is the Truth. Whats ridiculous to me is you don't believe you are intelligently designed with purpose.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Roman Pagans (Paulism) called Chri$tians are the stupidest people in this universe. god of these dumb pagans was died 2000 yr ago & So these DUMB BRAIN-BLIND STUPID PAGANS are GODless from 2000 yrs. They Must borrow/rent a stone-god from Hindus now.
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GodlessPagans 2 years ago
Two words. IGNORANT MUSLIM. It's amazing how much deception is in this world, despite all the warning in the Bible of a false prophet and false prophets preaching Gospels that are different from the manuscripts, people still managed to get decieved. Yashu'a HaMaschia was ressurected, and stone god what have you been smoking, it's amazing that yout got things bawards, Muslims are the ones that worship an arab moon god, that was already their in pre arabia.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
In Dead Sea Scrols, Jesus said:(5th Gospel)
God, I thnk Thee, For again giving me, A new lease of life. For saving me frm death&surrounding me with a defensive wall. The cruel wanted to take my life But I stood firm on ur comandments. They r suporter of the wicked & Donot understand Thee. Ur grace is my guardian: Thou hast saved me & Thou willed tht, They could not catch my soul. Thou came to the rescue of this humble servant, It is Thee, Who saved my life frm the clutches of the powerful
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
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PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
Quran is very very explicit and clear about this subject. But swine-eaters morons with twisted minds do not understand Quran.
Quran says He did not die on cross (Wa Ma Salbu). and exactly same is in Bibles.
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
The word Rafa is used many time in Quran. and always it meaning in Quran are to EXATLT IN RANK SPIRTUALLY and not that GOD lifted him or took him up with his mortal body
If u say that Jesus charted a stealth Jet fighter and fled to GOD, then I will ask you, that as per ur believes he was himself GOD so how he went to him self?????.
Simply u roman pagans are brain-blind stupid moron
Quran did not deny incident of Cross but deny his death on cross and so Bibles does too
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
Well good job Muslim you just contradicted many scholars on this fact, as well as the ones I learned from when I was learning the Quran. Also who are you calling a pagan go some where with your false god.
Former Muslim.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Quran, authentic Hadiths, Authentic history & Even Crudely Forged bibles VERY CLEARLY say that Jesus survived death on Cross and died later at Old Age. So TRUTH is, that GOD of Roman Pagans Jesus has been died 2000 yr ago and these brain-blind deaf & dumb pagans are GODLESS from 2000 yr. They are suggested to borrow at least one stone-god now from Hindus. Hindus have millions gods, so they can lend u one stone-made god happily with affordable rent/yr. Refer to truth at: go2cut doot com/LA
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago 2
Um you missed the part when the Quran said Allah took him to heaven. You just contradicted. And authentic history states he did die.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
I'll have you know that after jesus was taken to heaven there was a group of christians who said that it was not jesuse on the crossse. explain.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Wow good job you provide such a scenerio about what some so called Christians said. Do you even know what a Christian is. Thats a big contradiction to the Bible, besides their were no such things a Christians just disciples, the term Christian wasn't given till at Antinoch. So you explain were you got that misinfo.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
A christian is someone how belives that jesuse is god dispite the fact that he never said worship me. ifjesuse was god please tell me why did he pray.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
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Church has bin skilfuly deceiving Christians frm 2000 yr. It is VERY clear tht Jesus survived death on cross (Wa Ma Salabu, as is in Quran), hided as gardener & fled to lost 10 tribes of Israel in Kashmir. Preached 120 yr & is buried in Roza Bal Srinagar. Ten tribes were deported to Kashmir by Syrians & Babylonians in 722 BC & again in 586 BC thru silk Rd . Search & Read page "PZSDFTP" to realize TRUTH or go to my channel & click on a link in red area
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
Search in google or youtube
"A Christian Minister's Conversion to Islam Dr.Jerald Dirks"
He has also Ph.D's in Divinity from Haward University
Do u think u Mr. Jaysmith, or this stupid ignorant born of infected female swine "chillzz25" are more educated than Dr Jerald? For sur u are NOT
FictionsBlaster 2 years ago
the man that got put on the crosse choose to because he knew that god would reward him. jesuse say's in the bible the anyont that dies will become a ghoste. when jesuse saw them in the room he said to them i am not a ghoste handle me and see. he told the jews in the bible. i will do the mirical of jonah and the wale. johan was alive in the wale for three day's and jesuse was in the toumbe alive for free day's if you don't belive me read the bible.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Yeah you twisted all these verse. Lol, this is why I'm not a Muslim.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
what you sead does not even make sence what's your point.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Yes it makes lot's of sense, you Muslims become illiterate when reading the Bible and remove sentences out of context, you left the Part out when Thomas called Jesus God and Jesus did not rebuke him.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
So if jesuse was good why was it that when he was aked about the day of judgment he said i do not know only god knows.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
It's simple really, you Muslims ask the same questions I use to ask, but nop matter how many times I got the answer I still would not listen or try to understand, but here is why. 'No one has known', or 'Nobody has seen' has a whole different connotation from 'no one knows' or 'nobody knows', because it is actually saying 'nobody has known in the past'. So with the exact translation,
freshmuzic 2 years ago
if jesuse was god he would know everything or are you saying that god does not know everything. why did you leave islam
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Jesus does know everything I can provide a verse. Finish reading my comments I put two, Jesus was speaking in the past tense also as a man. I left Islam, after I learned more out of scholar teachings, I read the Quran and wanted to look into it,, but I was getting a different history that contradicted the Bible and didn't line up, it was curiosity that got me in Islam, and research that got me out, as well as God confirming his word is still uncorrupted, staying 99.9 accurate.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Yeah 99.9% accurate because bats are birds and rabbits chew their cud to name just two of the glaring stupidities in your silly little holy book.
What was the order of creation again? Oh? You don't know the order because there are two versions of creation? Wow, that's pretty amazing for the uncorrupted word of god don't you think?
nakedapedude 2 years ago
What you put are common misunderstandings atheist have without trying to understand. I can easily explain all of what your implying, if your willing to understand. I don't know why you atheists always resort to these things without ever trying to understand then claim the bible is stupid. It's like you saying something about science and because I don't understand it I dismiss all of science.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
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nakedapedude 2 years ago
Do your resarch on paul and find out who he was befroe he started talking about jesus.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Already did plus the Bible tells us who he was. I don't need your Islamic propaganda.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
What your proof that the bible is still acurate when learnerd men who are christians have addmited that the bible has been changed. I left christianity after i did my resarch and can to islam i read the hole bible and it contradicted the teachings of paul because that is what christians follow. jesus say in the bible i can of my own self do nothing.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
Well I'm educated as wel I can provide more proof if you want. Also the writings of Paul are the teachings of Jesus, and I alread sent you a link as to why Jesus said, that He is in submission to the Fathers will, it's amazing how you ignore all the other verses concerning His claims of divinity and pick this one because you don't understand it.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
In ezekiel 18:20-22. GOS SAYS. The one who sins is the one who dies the son shall not be punished for the fathers sins nor the father for his son's sin's. the righeous person will be rewarded for his own goodness and the wicked person for his wickednes. But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins and begins to obey my law and do what is just and right he shall surely live and not die all his past sins will be fogotten and he shall live because of his goodness. Explaine please.
Dkabitto21 2 years ago
What's the 0.1% that's inaccurate?
nakedapedude 2 years ago
Wow of course you'd ask that, but the .1 that is inaccurate comes from, you know like copying errors and typos, God's word is infalliable but translators are, the 99.9 is that the orginal message with it's context is still their even after more that 3,000 years.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
I am aware of why there are errors, I'm asking you what the errors are. What part of god's word isn't god's word? What parts can we ignore as mistakes and what parts should we follow as the word of god? This is very important stuff.
There are nearly 800,000 words in the bible, I need to know which 800 words are wrong, that is assuming that your figure of 0.1% is correct and not completely made up. I guess it could be 1% or 10%, how can we really tell, how will we ever know?
nakedapedude 2 years ago
All of it is God's word, do you escpect any book translated from different laguages to be absoluteley perfect when it is being done by faliable humans? You took the 99.9 to seriously, the Bible is still accurate, just like what I'm typing here, but I can make a typo so, then this comment isn't 100% accurate.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
God is omniscient right? God knew that English would become the most international language in the world today and that over a billion non believers would speak Chinese?
God is omnipotent right? Why didn't god hide ancient English & Chinese versions of all the books of the bible somewhere and then have someone find them today?
What better way to prove his existence and to prove that the bible really is the word of god. What better way to ensure that everyone gets saved?
nakedapedude 2 years ago
I'm assuming this is a serious question but because of lack of room I shall send you a message. Also your right God did know this that's why their is this amazing thing about the Bible, it can be translated. Also the Hebrew scriptures were written in Hebrew and Aramaic. God says He's revealed himself to everyone and everyone that does not know of Him is willigly ignorant. Also the Bible has proven itself to be God's word which I'll provide in the message I'll send.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Further: Instead of hiding leather and parchment scrolls including small parts of the bible in some cave in the desert (dead sea scrolls) why didn't he write the entire bible out in all languages that would ever exist and write the books on some kind of indestructible material? If god really wanted his word to be clear to the whole world (which of course he did because he wouldn't want to be misunderstood or predjudice against a particular culture) then why not just do that? Simple.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
First of all the bible explains the writings will be hiding till the appointed time in the last days then they'll be found, even if all the old manuscripts and writings were found I doubt people would still believe it. Also I think your asking about what about people who haven't heard the Gospel well I'll explain that in the message as well.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Ok, I agree, the bible is the inerrant word of god. It's a message to humans about morality and the way to everlasting life with him.
In the bible, the inerrant word of god, why does god murder people and advocate owning other human beings?
Why would I want to worship a murdering, slave owning advocating god when I have a far better moral compass than he does?
nakedapedude 2 years ago
First of all you don't have a better moral compass than God does but I'll cover that later. Now first of all God does not murder, but passes judgement, on the wicked, I can explain the judgement that people refer to as genocide which is false. God condemns slavery and their are many verses for this, I'll send ya link since I can't send it here. These are also common misunderstandings that I never tried to understand as an atheist because of my bias.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
You are wrong, god specifically and unmistakably condones slavery in Exodus and other parts of the bible. The reason slavery is condoned in the bible is that it isn't the word of god. There are also MANY instances in the bible of god murdering innocents himself and ordering others to do so.
Ever heard of Passover or the destruction of sodom and gomorrah? You think there weren't innocent children and babies killed during those events? You can't get away from the fact that your god is a bastard.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
I'm assuming you got my message and ignored them. so I'm going to jump to the children and infants. Probably the most difficult part of these commands from God is that God ordered the death of children and infants as well. Why would God order the death of innocent children? (1) Children are not innocent (Psalm 51:5; 58:3). (2) These children would have likely grown up as adherents to the evil religions and practices of their parents.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Children aren't innocent because the bible says so and you're quoting Psalms?
And you go on to assume that the children would be evil when they grew up so it's ok to kill them when they are children.
OMG have you any idea what you are saying?!
nakedapedude 2 years ago
Children are innocent because you say so? And you goto put words in my mouth, maybe you became illiterate when I was trying to help you understand. You have no idea what your saying because you don't even understand what your accusing.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Ok, explain it to me so I understand. Tell me how the killing of children and babies is a loving, merciful and moral act and how it's not just murder.
Tell me why you think they weren't innocent and why it wasn't murder even if they were guilty of something?
The god you worship is a murderer, just face up to it.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
As you wish first of all it wasn't murder it was judgement, you should look up the definition of murder. As for children, they were likely taken to heaven never to suffer again or become as evil as their parents. God's judgments are just, plus He is the originator of life so if you rebel He can take it.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Yes, it's ok to kill children and babies because they are going to heaven.
There's a moral law to live by.
You're dangerously insane if you think any rational person would wany any part of your ridiculous "god".
If you just accepted that a lot of your bible is made up stories you wouldn't have to have these disgusting views. It's very simple.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
You saying anything is wrong is equilvulent to "I love pie", that provides no basis for arguing with someone who disagrees. You also provided a strawman because you ignored everything I said in my previous comments. Also I am rational enough to know the bible provides, a bases for tuth, knowledge, and rationality as well as history. It's very simple. My God is just, and provided free salvation and a basis for morality, to which many live by, including you.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Your god has nothing to do with my morality. For a start, in case you hadn't noticed, he doesn't actually exist. You may as well say you get your moral code from the easter bunny.
I have a much higher moral standard than your fictional god and to claim otherwise is utterly laughable. He's a disgusting monster and like I've said before, if he did exist, I wouldn't want anything to do with him.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
Abritrary claim, I concur. Their are no philosophical or logical arguments for the Easter bunny, that I know of. Next, you have to show me many witnesses' accounts in history and present time that claim that the Easter bunny revealed these things you claim in your argument as true but I will give validity to it if you produce a huge number of testimonies.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
Your moral standard means nothing to me, I care about God's not your opinions. Also good job admitting your bias, you hate his judgements. It's amazing how you ignore the things He says that even you consider moral. The same things you accuse Him of is what He condemns.
freshmuzic 2 years ago
There are actually no logical arguments for the existence of your god either. If you think there are, give me one.
nakedapedude 2 years ago