Truth wrote, "If you have someone playing loud music at night, the Noise Pollution Act protects you from it. You wouldn't like it! The same way when you smoke your shit in my face i.e. in a bar!"
And I guess it's the same when those nasty people play those loud jukeboxes in your nice quiet bar too eh? Or when the bar owners invite those so-called "musicians" in with their "instruments" to pollute your nice quite session of sipping seltzer water with two twists of lemon? Nice.
>>> If you have someone playing loud music at night, the Noise Pollution Act protects you from it. You wouldn't like it! The same way when you smoke your shit in my face i.e. in a bar! And yes, smoking i s invasive, the shitty smeel creeps all over me and makes you can clearly smell the shit when clogged with smokers in a bar.
Ban the ban? Good luck! The ban is going further and further! :)
Diddley Squatt, you're a fool! You cannot refute my point!!!! You tried to attack me personally on topics that are not related to this, and falsily claimed me to be something I'm not, without even reading or understanding and explaining my opinions! So up yours cunt!
I like music too, weeeeeeee, and I fucking love it when the ban expands. It's a good thing selfish cunts like you cannot now smoke shit next to me, so that I don't get putt off with all that some that comes whirling into me!
if u have the right to sit on the bus and be without smoke we have the same right to sit on the bus and smoke.... just like you said to us go home if we wanna smoke you go home if you dont wanna be around the smoke!!!!!!
I do see your point but isnt it enough that even without government intervention, there were a vast many of places that were already non-smoking, many of options. does it have to be every last public place to not be going against your right?
You say you hate the smell, which sounds to me like merely a personal pet peeve. I think youd agree that we cant make laws making it a criminal offence to do something that others consider a nuisance. Otherwise wed be banning all sorts of things from public places: young children, mobile phones, chewing gum, ipods just about everything.
You have the right to seek out and breathe smoke free air if you wish - no one can prevent you from doing so, but no one is obliged to provide you with an establishment in which the air meets with your total personal satisfaction. Pro-banners are not claiming the right to smoke free air; they are claiming the right to have smoke free air imposed wherever they decide they want it, even if that is in someone elses private property. You do not have such a right.
We want the freedom to open establishments in which patrons are permitted to smoke. We don't insist they they MUST be smoking establishments.
If I open a brand new bar today and I allow people to smoke, is that impinging on your freedom? Are you less free today than you were yesterday merely because I've opened a smoking bar today?
You're missing the point. Smoking bans in private institutions, ie businesses, take away a persons right to be free and lead their own lives. Most smokers understand banning smoking on things like buses, and schools, and indoor public places but if we start placing more bans on things for our own safety, soon we'll have no rights. If you're walking outside, you're exposed to gases from cars and pollution from factories, etc. Should we ban driving and having factories?
Good luck finding a place with no cigarette smoke, no outdoor grill cooking, no automobile exhaust, no candles, no fireplaces, no combustion engines or space-heating of any kind. Not to mention the absence of other things that are in the air - perfume, tree pollen, whatever.
Uh- wait! How about a spot in the arctic circle in the year 85,000 B.C. None of the things you hate would be there - or the people (i.e. Muslims and immigrants). Too bad you can't turn back time.
@Diddley Squatt: You are pathetic for trying to bringing in the topic on immigration and Islam, in order to refute a topic on smoking. Get things straight, disliking something does not mean, "hate." My profile clearly expresses why there is no hate. Care to show?
Secondly: I hate the smell of cigarettes, it bloody stinks. That is why I want that shit banned in public areas i.e. restaurants and bars. Because your shit reeks all over to me. You get it? What don'y you understand? >>>
No they won't understand, you're such a fool, hey trying ARGUING the point with EVIDENCE, rather than RANDOM claims or takings things out of context.
Common sense, when someone smokes next to another person, the smoke completeley overwhelms the person; FACT. The smell, air is condendsed next to that person. FACT. that's why the ban is takign place.
@TruthfulLogic Whether smoke 'overwhelms' you or not is not the point. Unless you are FORCED to go into bar that allows smoking, the situation in which you are overwhelmed is not forced upon you. Similarly, you could argue that loud music at a concert 'overwhelms' you but, unless you are forced to go to a concert, this situation is a matter of your choosing. The fact is, it is rather you and others like you who are overwhelming the rest us with your inability to think straight.
we need to abolish this useless government of oppression, from obango down to the idiots on city council trying to control everything and everybody, get ride of all of them.
Should the government decide to? Whatever happened to the American principle that people are the government? That's the whole point of democracy. And the whole point of America was to create a nation where people could make their own choices. Are you pro-life also? If you are, then I guess we just have different views on the role of government. But if you're pro-choice, then try to consider how the smoking thing is about a person's freedom to choose, too. You know?
HELL YES. FINALLY SOMEONE HAS SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE. The fuckers at the debunk myths non-smoking bullshit can fucking rott in hell. Someone needs to kill that guy. When will ban the ban advertisements be on the radio and tv? One day soon I hope.
Excellent and funny! I'm not a smoker and my wife has asthma so we appreciate that there are non-smoking nooks but also appreciate non-fascist politicians, considerae smokers (i.e. most of them), and intelligent people whether they smoke or not (and how come so many geniuses and artists smoke?).
To see a genius rail against the ban you may enjoy viewing Mike Padlipsky's The War on Brainwashing, Part 1 also posted here on youtube.
Ha ha. Nice work. I'm just sick of all these anti-smoking laws that are broke in because of a few arrogant cunt smokers. I always try to move away from areas where my smoking will cause others discomfort, but now they've banned it at train and bus stations. My friend got fined for smoking on a train platform with no one on it but him.
People who don't learn from the history of Prohibition are doomed to repeat it. But what the hell they are still fighting an insane war on drugs aren't they.
Nice job in doing this. It is utterly disappointing seeing the amount of popularity behind smoking bans and the growth of government in areas it ought to never be. It scares me to think that many people who support smoking bans also would support the banning of tobacco products.
I propose a new law: The Government doesn't ask, the ban doesn't happen!
NinjaGhostScorpion 1 year ago
Truth wrote, "If you have someone playing loud music at night, the Noise Pollution Act protects you from it. You wouldn't like it! The same way when you smoke your shit in my face i.e. in a bar!"
And I guess it's the same when those nasty people play those loud jukeboxes in your nice quiet bar too eh? Or when the bar owners invite those so-called "musicians" in with their "instruments" to pollute your nice quite session of sipping seltzer water with two twists of lemon? Nice.
Cantiloper 1 year ago
>>> If you have someone playing loud music at night, the Noise Pollution Act protects you from it. You wouldn't like it! The same way when you smoke your shit in my face i.e. in a bar! And yes, smoking i s invasive, the shitty smeel creeps all over me and makes you can clearly smell the shit when clogged with smokers in a bar.
Ban the ban? Good luck! The ban is going further and further! :)
TruthfulLogic 2 years ago
@TruthfulLogic
Wow! You really are authoritarian. Ban everything YOU don't like because YOU don't like it and send the SSS out to crush anyone who won't bow to you.
I like music. I like cigarettes. Catch me if you can. Wheeee.
DiddleySquatt 2 years ago 6
Diddley Squatt, you're a fool! You cannot refute my point!!!! You tried to attack me personally on topics that are not related to this, and falsily claimed me to be something I'm not, without even reading or understanding and explaining my opinions! So up yours cunt!
I like music too, weeeeeeee, and I fucking love it when the ban expands. It's a good thing selfish cunts like you cannot now smoke shit next to me, so that I don't get putt off with all that some that comes whirling into me!
TruthfulLogic 2 years ago
one thing to point out is that we breath much more harmful chemicals from cities and cars every day.
QPOPproduktions 2 years ago
I'd like to ask the smokers a little question. You speak about freedom, right?
So what about my right, to be free from smoke? I really do hate the smell.
So does it not make you hypocrites?
You want to smoke, do it at your homes. I don't want inhale passing smoke.
So glad the bans are rising.
TruthfulLogic 2 years ago
if u have the right to sit on the bus and be without smoke we have the same right to sit on the bus and smoke.... just like you said to us go home if we wanna smoke you go home if you dont wanna be around the smoke!!!!!!
mikey4930 2 years ago
I do see your point but isnt it enough that even without government intervention, there were a vast many of places that were already non-smoking, many of options. does it have to be every last public place to not be going against your right?
123Larra 2 years ago
You say you hate the smell, which sounds to me like merely a personal pet peeve. I think youd agree that we cant make laws making it a criminal offence to do something that others consider a nuisance. Otherwise wed be banning all sorts of things from public places: young children, mobile phones, chewing gum, ipods just about everything.
sreymind 2 years ago
You have the right to seek out and breathe smoke free air if you wish - no one can prevent you from doing so, but no one is obliged to provide you with an establishment in which the air meets with your total personal satisfaction. Pro-banners are not claiming the right to smoke free air; they are claiming the right to have smoke free air imposed wherever they decide they want it, even if that is in someone elses private property. You do not have such a right.
sreymind 2 years ago
In what way are we hypocrites?
We want the freedom to open establishments in which patrons are permitted to smoke. We don't insist they they MUST be smoking establishments.
If I open a brand new bar today and I allow people to smoke, is that impinging on your freedom? Are you less free today than you were yesterday merely because I've opened a smoking bar today?
sreymind 2 years ago
You're missing the point. Smoking bans in private institutions, ie businesses, take away a persons right to be free and lead their own lives. Most smokers understand banning smoking on things like buses, and schools, and indoor public places but if we start placing more bans on things for our own safety, soon we'll have no rights. If you're walking outside, you're exposed to gases from cars and pollution from factories, etc. Should we ban driving and having factories?
rcdESPANYOL4ever 2 years ago 2
to: @TruthfulLogic
Good luck finding a place with no cigarette smoke, no outdoor grill cooking, no automobile exhaust, no candles, no fireplaces, no combustion engines or space-heating of any kind. Not to mention the absence of other things that are in the air - perfume, tree pollen, whatever.
Uh- wait! How about a spot in the arctic circle in the year 85,000 B.C. None of the things you hate would be there - or the people (i.e. Muslims and immigrants). Too bad you can't turn back time.
DiddleySquatt 2 years ago
@Diddley Squatt: You are pathetic for trying to bringing in the topic on immigration and Islam, in order to refute a topic on smoking. Get things straight, disliking something does not mean, "hate." My profile clearly expresses why there is no hate. Care to show?
Secondly: I hate the smell of cigarettes, it bloody stinks. That is why I want that shit banned in public areas i.e. restaurants and bars. Because your shit reeks all over to me. You get it? What don'y you understand? >>>
TruthfulLogic 2 years ago
@TruthfulLogic
Anybody who clicks your name will understand exactly what I meant.
DiddleySquatt 2 years ago
No they won't understand, you're such a fool, hey trying ARGUING the point with EVIDENCE, rather than RANDOM claims or takings things out of context.
Common sense, when someone smokes next to another person, the smoke completeley overwhelms the person; FACT. The smell, air is condendsed next to that person. FACT. that's why the ban is takign place.
Try BANNING the BAN, it ain't happenin!
TruthfulLogic 2 years ago
@TruthfulLogic This will happen & you will see it happen...Kill the ban! If it overwhelms you? Who cares! (because it's all in your head!)
Godzie1 1 year ago
@TruthfulLogic Whether smoke 'overwhelms' you or not is not the point. Unless you are FORCED to go into bar that allows smoking, the situation in which you are overwhelmed is not forced upon you. Similarly, you could argue that loud music at a concert 'overwhelms' you but, unless you are forced to go to a concert, this situation is a matter of your choosing. The fact is, it is rather you and others like you who are overwhelming the rest us with your inability to think straight.
magrathean0 9 months ago
we need to abolish this useless government of oppression, from obango down to the idiots on city council trying to control everything and everybody, get ride of all of them.
Imamfgclone 2 years ago
Interesting quotes from Colin Grainger the chairman of F2C:
I have no idea what the other 600 registered forum users are doing here.
Apart from 30 or so journalists, who we do not expect to post, the rest are about as useful as a trapdoor on a canoe.
MikeG is right in some ways. He says I have achieved nothing, and that is accurate.
With less than one hundred active members.... we could quite easily delete over 600 members today, and it would make no difference to us.
MisterKlaatu 3 years ago
Smoking provides no benefit to humans. There are ZERO positive health benefits thereof.
Plus, the government has all the right to band smoking, should it decide to. The Constitution would support it fully.
Get over yourself.
smithbob 3 years ago 2
Should the government decide to? Whatever happened to the American principle that people are the government? That's the whole point of democracy. And the whole point of America was to create a nation where people could make their own choices. Are you pro-life also? If you are, then I guess we just have different views on the role of government. But if you're pro-choice, then try to consider how the smoking thing is about a person's freedom to choose, too. You know?
annscann 3 years ago
ban the people who wanna ban the ban!
911turb0 4 years ago
ban the person who wants to ban the people who are banning the ban you idiot
spockistheman420 4 years ago 2
HELL YES. FINALLY SOMEONE HAS SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE. The fuckers at the debunk myths non-smoking bullshit can fucking rott in hell. Someone needs to kill that guy. When will ban the ban advertisements be on the radio and tv? One day soon I hope.
colt45lovee 4 years ago
Excellent and funny! I'm not a smoker and my wife has asthma so we appreciate that there are non-smoking nooks but also appreciate non-fascist politicians, considerae smokers (i.e. most of them), and intelligent people whether they smoke or not (and how come so many geniuses and artists smoke?).
To see a genius rail against the ban you may enjoy viewing Mike Padlipsky's The War on Brainwashing, Part 1 also posted here on youtube.
keefster1943 4 years ago
Well done! Let's all sign the downing street PETITION AGAINST THE BAN h t t p : //petitions . pm . gov. uk /repeal-the-ban/
memi73 4 years ago
I dont smoke but i think the ban is just stupid, its come into force today in England. How can i help fight it?
wearethemods1994 4 years ago
Robert F Martinez smoking ban should lead you there
Good luck with your fight too
xyzto1 4 years ago
Nice video, we are fighting this in the UK too. As links are not allowed please google Robert F Martinez and you should find it
xyzto1 4 years ago
Ha ha. Nice work. I'm just sick of all these anti-smoking laws that are broke in because of a few arrogant cunt smokers. I always try to move away from areas where my smoking will cause others discomfort, but now they've banned it at train and bus stations. My friend got fined for smoking on a train platform with no one on it but him.
MikeT2005 4 years ago
People who don't learn from the history of Prohibition are doomed to repeat it. But what the hell they are still fighting an insane war on drugs aren't they.
libertylover1 4 years ago 2
Nice job in doing this. It is utterly disappointing seeing the amount of popularity behind smoking bans and the growth of government in areas it ought to never be. It scares me to think that many people who support smoking bans also would support the banning of tobacco products.
muchomacaca 5 years ago