Cashing in on Christianity: Our Commentary on Randall N. Baer

[saltwater1982]

He WAS a new age leader. You haven't heard of him because he got out while you were still in diapers. The Esoteric is the point. New Age is a series of beliefs. Reiki, yoga,etc, Harmonic Convergence? Ever heard of that?(Aug 1987). Probably before you were born. Many "Berkeley Hippies" got into Unusual spirituality---Space brothers etc... Baer had a huge influence....in several areas. (New Age--to Christianity)

[lookingup82]

Carol Kornicky isn't "afraid" to debate you... she just doesn't want to take any of your demons home with her. Good luck....You have a long life a head of you and a lot will change as you get older..Someday perhaps-you will have a child and he/she will be a huge Christian preacher---Life does funny things. Madeline Murry O'Hara's son is a preacher after she got "god" out of the schools.

[BlueFireWitch]

@lookingup82 I sincerely doubt that our son will grow up to be a Christian preacher. If he did and that made him happy, I'd support him. However, Carol Kornacki most certainly is a lying coward. When we made videos calling her out on all the obviously false claims she made about supposedly being a Witch, she came to our page and started trash talking. But as soon as we questioned her about her supposed past, she ran away. She couldn't even answer a basic question about Witchcraft.

[lookingup82]

@BlueFireWitch The Carol- part??/ Which video is that... I have just recently found her.

[saltwater1982]

@BlueFireWitch What happened to "lookingup"??? I used to see him on a lot of your videos commenting...Lots of commenters keep disappearing... are you guys blocking everyone you disagree with?

[BlueFireWitch]

@saltwater1982 It's not about disagreement, but about disrespect. The assertion that I block everyone that disagrees with me is absolute bullshit. I rarely block anyone. I haven't blocked Shazoolo or many others whom I've had disagreements with. So this is probably lookingup with a sock account trying to stir up drama. You're getting blocked too.

[SovereignBlade]

What lovely people...Hahahaha. You have no idea about Mr Baer and what he wrote. I thought you might have actually read the one work which you are "refuting"... but that would have called upon your valuable time and dissipated a portion of your celestial energy, lol. Frankly I have know witches, acid cultists, various a sundry 'New Age' practitioners and they can run the gambit from charmingly offbeat to total flakedom. This movement is simply another unsuspecting tool of the esoteric elite.

[BlueFireWitch]

@SovereignBlade We're not refuting Mr Baer, we're refuting Shazoolo's claim that he's a leader in our community.

[tetrahydroscope]

@BlueFireWitch 'Your' community? hahahaha

[lookingup82]

@BlueFireWitch The man Shazaloo is referring to was a leader BEFORE you were even born. He WAS involved in the EARLY NEW AGE practices. Witchcraft/Wiccan and so forth and you have put forth has become so vague that NO one could refute what you claim because you have NO stable written beliefs. Wiccan and witchcraft definitions change with the wind. 

[lookingup82]

@BlueFireWitch New AGE refers accurately to Wiccan and witchcraft. What he did and what he talked about IS what has happened. A Buffet of make up your own beliefs...pick & choose.become enlightened through whatever turns you on- Anything goes philosophy.

[shaybird76]

Not to be a follow you sure are defending him. I am not demonizing you. You decided to follow some of his teachings and when I tell you what I read about him that makes you feel bad. Whether you get some of your ideas or all your ideas from someone I think that would make you a follow of that person. I don't mean to demonize you, that is just how I see it. Just trying to be honest not hurtful.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 What you've read is mostly nonsense and conjecture. Read Thelemite sources on Crowley if you want the truth. You are trying to demonize what I believe.

[shaybird76]

@BlueFireWitch What I have read are most quotes from the mans own hand writing. Maybe you should do more research about the people, even if you follow only some of what they believe. We will probably have to agree to disagree because I do think crawley was a demonic man with demonic ideas. It was interesting talking with you though.

[SHAOLINSINZ]

@BlueFireWitch LOL @ suggesting Aliester Crowley...foolish occult luciferians. The same guy who did blood sacrifices in Lock Ness? or tried to open portals to the spirit world in the Desert? come on now....

NEW AGE means the merge of all religions into one, Theosophy will be ruling this predoinately.

I bet you love characters like Helena Blavatsky....Well guess what Theres only One true God....and Only one Son of God.

ALL luciferians will face the wrath of God Rome, Babylon They all did.

[SHAOLINSINZ]

@BlueFireWitch May i add, Randall N Baer Was killed his car was run off a cliff and he was killed instantly, this was just after he began giving lectures in mexico regarding his experiences with the New age.

[shaybird76]

Well I guess you will just have to follow the teachings of the beast. I can read, he communicated with spirits to gain knowledge because in and of himself he could know nothing. He says he related to the anti-Christ more than anyone else in the bible. That's all I need to know and anything that a thelemite or whoever has to say probably would not change what I think about crawley. I guess the people in Italy ran him off cause he was masturbating, SURE.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 I never said I was a follower of Crowley. I simply said some of my ideas came from him. So I'm no Thelemite or Crowley follower. You're simply using your misconceptions of him to demonize what I believe.

[shaybird76]

In his book magick he admits to sacrificing children to satan. That is a sick individual. There is no wrong or right with this guy. I think you should do more research on this man. The Spanish crown's will was to obtain gold and murdered millions to get it. The early colonizers will was to obtain more land "Manifest Destiny" and they too murdered and imprisoned to get it. They convinced a whole people that it was the Creator's will to do so. be careful of who you follow.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 Once again you don't understand. First of all, the idea of child sacrifice wasn't sacrifice at all, it was masturbation. Most men masturbate. Crowley spoke in metaphor. You should really talk to a Thelemite, they'll explain him to you better.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 You're wrong, he doesn't sacrifice children to Satan., You don't understand that Crowley spoke in metaphor, Sacrificing children was metaphor for masturbation. Ask a Thelemite.

[ClaireLovesWicca]

@shaybird76 But Jehovah kills Firstborns.FACT.(well in the bible anyway)

[shaybird76]

I apologize if I have offended you that is not my intention. I am only trying to understand what you believe and what it was that influenced you to do so. we may have to agree to disagree. Not to offend you but after reading about crawley I came to the conclusion that he was a not so pleasant individual. Do what thou wilt and all, a very selfish frame of mind which I think leads to self-destruction.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 It's only selfish if you don't understand Crowley's definition of Will. He believed and so do many of his followers that Will was a person's true destiny or path. A person's true will was ordained by the divine. And doing what thou Wilt was figuring out what your true will was and persuing it. You shouldn't just read something without understanding what the author meant. It's actually very selfless. Dedicating your life to a higher purpose.

[shaybird76]

You worship the creation instead of the Creator. earth, wind, fire, and water are elements not gods. There is no such thing as good or bad magic, just magic, mostly for the realization of someones personal will. The created makes a poor creator because of disregard of others. Just because the majority of ancient civilzations practiced magic doesnt make it correct to do so. Native american people pray to the Creator not the created. Greeks,etc are not my ancestors, relatives yes, ancestors no.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 That's not true either.  You should really learn about the Greek Gods before you assume what it is that I believe. I'm not a Pantheist.

Also, the majority of ancient and MODERN civiilations practice magick. I'm not sure what Native Americans have to do with my religion. It's really not something you can just assume. Furthermore, people of all religions practice magick. Christians included.

[shaybird76]

The pagan gods do not exist in nature, so they are supernatural right. So do you call on them to create this change or do you think you yourself can create this change. I am the remnant that made it through the genocide of so called america "Turtle Island" our ancestors did not wish to create change. They understood that all things in nature were made with a purpose and needed no change. There is only one reality. not recognizing that fact is personal reality. "magick" do you follow crawely?

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 You're actually wrong. The Pagan Gods ARE NATURE. They are not Supernatural. Do I call on them or do it myself? Both. There are two types of magick. High Magick and Low Magick. I do both. I think the gods help those who help themselves. You're wrong about our ancestors. The Greek Culture the Etruscan culture, the African culture,etc. They were intertwined with Magick.

[BlueFireWitch]

@BlueFireWitch There is not just one reality. You can never understand someone else's interpretation of reality. We have both inner and outer realities, silly. The outer reality is universal, the inner reality is personal. Do I follow Aleister Crowley? Some of my ideas come from Crowley.

[shaybird76]

I may be wrong, but why then do you pray to the gods? The only reason I ask this question is because on your account their is a man that gives testimony that he prayed to a goddess and an infant was healed because of the power of the goddess. I think that would qualify as supernatural. Don't you not think that our reality has been manipulated enough. The manipulation of our world seems to bring horrible consequences, not only to the manipulators, but to all of us. I do agree we can but should we

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 If it exists in Nature, it's Natural, not supernatural. There's a difference between universal reality and personal reality. Also, you really don't see the full picture of magick. Everyone does this-Everyone sends out energy with intent to create change. Some realize it (Witches, Occultsts, etc) Some don't (everyone else). So it's not a question of whether is should be, but whether responsiblity and awareness should be used.

[shaybird76]

The animals of the sea are master swimmers. A man swimming doesn't even come close to a fish, shark, or whale. Olympians are no were close to being masters of swimming. Do you think man is the only thing on this planet, cause that is what it sounds like. Man in and of him self can know NOTHING. The things we know come from two sources. One is absolute TRUTH and the other is just a perversion of the truth. Be wise in your choice. Peace.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 Animals are masters in their own domain, It has nothing to do with being human other than we're all animals. Silly.

[shaybird76]

@BlueFireWitch You are an animal but the water is not your natural domain. That is my point exactly. Neither is the supernatural your domain. Hopefully that makes sense.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 That doesn't matter. The point is that just because we didn't create our reality doesn't mean we can't learn to work within it and manipulate it. You've gotten hopelessly off subject.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 There is no such thing as supernatural.

[shaybird76]

I think the important issue is not who this person is or if he was a leader of anything but what is the true teachings of the new age movement. Comparing riding a bike to being a master of one's own reality is like comparing an elephant to Einstein. And yes human kind did create a bike but we have not created the laws of physics etc. " Our reality".

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 Fine another example, how does one learn to swim if we did not create water. Same difference. Silly question.

[shaybird76]

@BlueFireWitch We can learn to swim, but to be masters of swimming we could never be. Compared to things that were made to swim they would always make our ability to swim seem clumsy. We as people have boundaries and we should observe those boundaries. Ex. we could go and get an Olympic swimmer, the best in the world, some people might call him a master. But if we took him to the middle of the ocean he probably wouldn't make it back to land. That is if sharks didn't get him first. Joke lol

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 Actually, you can be a master at swimming, that's why they have gold medals at the Olympics, silly.

[shaybird76]

How can one be the master of his own reality if he did not create his own reality. I was born into a reality that was already here. The hindu teachers say that meditation can not be separated from the hindu religion. The hindu pray "meditation calls upon false gods to become one with them Possession. This they believe will help them attain a higher consciousness which is the goal of the new age movement, right?

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 How can we learn to ride a bike that we didn't make? That's a silly question.

[shaybird76]

the new age is a religion and your right it is not old. new age teaches that man can create his own reality. the age old lie that ye shall be as gods from the garden. this time it is not the apple but the so called Christ conciseness through meditation which is the hindu way of prayer for the purpose of breaking the cycle of reincarnation by yoking themselves to their false god "becoming a god". May your eyes and ears be opened to see and Hear the truth.

[BlueFireWitch]

@shaybird76 The new age is NOT a religion. It's a set of usually old religious and holistic practices and beliefs, but they aren't centered around a central religion. New Age doesn't teach that a man can create his own reality, but that he is master of his own reality. Meditation has many purposes. The Hindus used it for that, but the Greeks for clarity of mind. Not everyone who uses new age practices or beliefs believes the same things.

[ishejeffwaters]

anastasia's been a practicing witch for 10 years ... lol wtf this is ridiculous how can such people exist?

[BlueFireWitch]

@ishejeffwaters lol, it's not much different than saying someone's been an avid prayer for 10 years.

[ishejeffwaters]

that itself is ridiculous ... stop with the mooing behind gods or highly spiritual abstractions of heavenly beings ... it's the 21st century, man's gotta evolve da

[TheCMoneyPlaya]

It seems all of those people that come out with outrageous satanic stories always say they were the ones in charge. Bob Schnoblin, John Todd, and Mike Warnke all say they were in charge of these huge global conspiracies. Ever check out kerr Culhain's Witchvox site? Peace.

[Shazoolo]

Hey an over half hour video. Guess I should be flattered that you should devote so much time to little ol' me! ; - ) Will make some comment.

[Shazoolo]

Hi BFW, I put together a video response to this. Hope you can accept it. Be blessed.

[BlueFireWitch]

Sorry about the delay. I do plan on viewing it and accepting the response.  The time of year makes work a bit hectic so I'm on over time right now. I should have a chance to accept it by this evening. (That'll be tomorrow for you, I suppose).

[Shazoolo]

Hey, no problem BFW. I see you accepted it now anyway. Thanks for your willingness to do so.

[BlueFireWitch]

I got home earlier than expected, so I was able to review it. Also, I'm going to be making my own response to it as well. Hope all is well.

[Shazoolo]

Great, that usually helps bring more subs in so thanks! : - )

[BlueFireWitch]

No problem, video is up. Usually when we have diologue, and I don't know if it's connected or not, I've usually got a few Christians who tell me their interested in Witchcraft, Wicca or Paganism and ask me questions. That's what I'm here for, education. Anything to help educate the public is great.

[zeldaofarel]

Hmm, with my writing skills, maybe I should write a book like that. I could make some good money and go to Japan. :-D Yeah, I'm being sarcastic. It would turn my stomach.

[XOccultistsForChrist]

Right, so let's get this straight. NO former New Ager, witch, or occultist, was ever a true one? NO Christian testimony of former new ager's and so on is truthful and EVERY Christian is a lying no good fraud, right? Sorry, but I will have to say what many will think here - LOL!

And hey have either of you 2 actually even read the book you are talking about and setting yourseves up as experts as?

Anyway I hope you have the integrity to accept my 2 video responses I sent you to this.

[BlueFireWitch]

No, I know of a few that are actual converts, but the main part of people who claim to be ex occultists have no clue what they are talking about and think that paying attention to the horoscopes in the paper classifies them as an occultist. The term "New Age" is so broad it's easy to claim you used to be one without actually resembling Neopaganism, Witchcraft or Wicca.

[BlueFireWitch]

Secondly, neither of us claim to be experts on the book we are talking about, but I AM a practicing Witch and I taught Witchcraft classes while living in Chicago. So I obviously feel confident on speaking on it.

What's funny is how you set up your own argument and answer it in this diatribe. Apparently, you're arguing with yourself.

Not all Christians are lying frauds, but the pattern of the "ex Occultist" story is clear. I've even done a college paper on it.

[XOccultistsForChrist]

A college paper eh? Right, so the rest of us had better just sit down shut up and listen? No seriousely me dear you should have actually read the book before doing a "commentary" on it.

Any chance of accepting those videos that were sent in response to this?

[BlueFireWitch]

Once again, you make your own assumption and argue that instead of the actual points. I wish you could just stop with the argumentative fallacies and bring up some actual points.

I haven't reviewed the videos you submitted. When I get around to it, If I find them to be factual responses, then I'll accept them If they are just propaganda then I probably won't as I don't allow hate speech on my page.

[zeldaofarel]

@XOccultistsForChrist Not any in the media. Former "Wiccans" keep saying stuff that have nothing to do with Wicca and I have been a Wiccan for 10 years. So if one of them starts talking about stuff that I actually experienced, then I'll listen to them. But they don't. Bad for business. If they started talking about the feeling of being loved when you are sitting alone in a circle and meditating, they would be counter-productive to their Christian agenda.

[TheAlisonChannel]

What I don't understand is why you two keep responding to these kooks. IDK if it's to make them look bad, but they do that themselves!

[shadowsong92]

because such misinformation should be countered with truth?

[Cadell02]

you do realize, not all forms of Neo-Pagans practice spellwork, right?

[BlueFireWitch]

Of course. what's your point?

[Cadell02]

just checking, cause the way you and Prince Chris were talking it sounded like you assumed that Shazalo(sp?) had to have been practicing some form of spells to have been an "occultist" or Pagan or whatever, and I just don't see how that is necessary. Not even all forms of Occultist practice spells.

[texanwitchie]

I would say prominent New Age authors would be say Neale Donald Walsch, Doreen Virtue, etc. Those and others fit the bill of "New Age" practices (yes it is vague) without being into witchcraft. But yes Shaz is incredibly stupid.

[TheWizardsAthenarium]

Those Christians just want to get money and attention, that's all it is, and they want to make their religion look like the right one be demonizing all others, but more and more people are no longer believing their false claims.

[SerenitySilver]

Not all Christians think like that, the part where you begin it like this: "Christians think that rumors...." Not every Christian, b/c now that's being unfair to all, that's how sometimes things spiral out of control when we generalize like that. Not trying to be rude, I hope you understand that~

[IntiHehlua]

New Age, huh? What ideology is actually New Age? The Sumerians had agriculture, yet we don't claim to have revolutionized farming, minus the use of say greenhouses. We simply build upon other blocks. This is the existance of our race. Humans have long been monkey see, monkey do. Props to both of you. Things must be brought to the surface in order to fix them.

[7Matahari7]

If it really worked that way, fine. But in general there is a common theme promoted by particular groups within what is commonly called "new age." I believe much of it is designed to make people weaker and complacent. Self mastery is a good thing, but lets not get too far off course with stuff. Most modern "pagan/WICCA/new age" groups derive from Masonic and Jewish ideology in actuality.

[IntiHehlua]

How doesn't it work that way? The only way I know anything is based off of what people have told me and my own experiences. Throughout history, there have been groups that have failed, but the overall understanding is based on others mistakes and triumphs. How is this not true?

[7Matahari7]

I think I understand what you are saying, I may have read into the first response differently. I have issues with the new age movement because it is orchestrated to mislead for the most part. There is commentary based on commentary, mixed with superstition and purposeful misleading. If we look to various sources and actual cultures first hand, then yes, I agree with you.

[SteampunkPagan]

Who the hell is Corell?

Links

[TheVikingsRevenge]

Isnt she some lady on a kids movie with dogs in it.

[WesternWhiteWolf]

Yeah...I've been Pagan for a little over a year, but I never heard of this guy Baer.

And I'm not sure if Shaz has made any good arguments for his religion at all.

[Homer177]

Can't say I'm surprised by this one. There are people all over youtube who do the same thing this person did, although many of them are blatantly lying with their quote mining.