Eh, it's not really a 3rd party, the Trion just called for the Juggernaut and Cytorak pretty much fully took over Juggernaut, it wasn't the Trion amping him. And during 8th day, at time it was shown that his punches were causing earthquakes and collapsing the landscape, and he wasn't even punching the ground. Going to say that's a big step below punching through space/time, something Hulk has never been able to do.
@Amonarok actually yeah it really is a third party who took control of cyttoraks power in the case of trion.during 8th day,the writer actually caps juggernauts strength level,and clearly states it in the comic.hulk was collapsing landscapes and mountain ranges years before juggernaut writers nicked the idea from hulk writers.hell hulk punched ironclad in the head and it caused cataclysms across multiple dimensions,he thunder clapped a dimension out of existence,the list goes on.
Don't think beheading Juggernaut would actually kill him, the god D'spayre flayed Jug, leaving only a skeleton, not only did it not kill him, he kept on fighting and regenerated. Do wish this one would have played out though, a Celestial Empowered Hulk might actually be a decent fight for normal Jug, if he was one of his more powerful incarnations, 8th Day or Trion, Hulk would just get shit on hard.
@Amonarok D,spayre is not a god he is a demon.his powers had no effect on a DEAF character,which kinda leaves the juggernaut fight in doubt,seeing as illusion casting is one of his main abilities.Hulk was NOT powered by the celestials,the celestial tech was used to remove shrapnel from hulks brain and to nulify hulks rage factor,it did NOT augment his strength.also you say 8th day?his strength level was capped in that story,read it and see.also trion was an entity who stole cyttoraks power.
@LeBearExtrordinare cont* The Trion incarnation, was just Juggernaut that had gained full access to the gem's power and absorbed the power of the god's who created it. He became so powerful he was warping space, time, reality and even shattering through to other dimensions with his punches. Don't think Hulk has a feat that even comes close to that.
@Amonarok the d,spayre story is dubious, he is a fear lord,his speciality is casting illusions. again the celestial tech only gave hulk access to his own strength and nulified his rage factor,clearly states it in that story,your of the opinion trion could soundly beat devil and dark hulk?im of the opinion that they could easily take trion :) again too much material available that suggests hulk is stronger than juggernaut.
@Amonarok juggernaut gets trapped under a mountain,it takes him 3 plus years to escape,hulk gets trapped under a mountain,it takes him seconds to get out.hulk goes for a swim whilst carrying an island,throws fing fang foom to the moon,juggernaut gets outwitted by wet cement,LOL.btw going back to your earlier comment,correct me if im wrong,but didnt cyttorak originally create the gem by ripping away a piece of himself?or have they retconned that???
@Amonarok also regarding trion,when prof x merges with wolverine and enters the trion,they find cain marko hiding in a corner,and discover that his body(cain) and cyttoraks power have been stolen by an entity which is the evil persona of the trion(who explain this all to storm).so just to clarify,it was a third party.and no,cain did not have access to cyttoraks power because he wasnt even in control of his own body.
@Amonarok cont*you forgot about dark hulk(canon) and devil hulk(canon) both of whom would easily shit on any incarnation of juggernaut.Juggernaut is overrated by zealous fanboys,besides the writers have to steal ideas from past hulk stories to make their character look interesting,the d,spayre fight was a rip off from hulk v u-foes,and now cain marko has a childhood thats strangely simular to banners.to name but a few.
@LeBearExtrordinare God, demon, whatever, it still happened. Dark Hulk, unlikely, light made him weaker and even after Dark, Namor was putting up a fight against him on land. Devil Hulk? Don't believe he ever actually physically manifested, just on a mental plane, where you'd think it'd be more of a battle of willpower. The Celestial Armor also did in fact empower Hulk. As far as either of them beating Trion, no fucking way lol. Trion is the trio of God's who created the Crimson Ruby.
@Amonarok the fact is,it took a third party to achieve the dimensional wall smashing,cyttorak cant do this by himself.besides its not like he destroyed a dimension with a punch,now is it?even sentry can break through dimensional walls.but thats as good as it gets with juggernaut,has he threatened the entire planet with mere footsteps?has he shattered an asteroid 2x earths size with a punch?has he held up an entire mountain range,i sorry but hulks feats of strength far outway that of juggernauts.
@LeBearExtrordinare cont* Even Christos Gage, writer of WWH said that it was the strong incarnation of Hulk to date and we saw how that turned out, Jugs was stomping the shit out of him. The only thing Hulk did was dent Jug's helmet. He had to resort to BFR, at which point he told Charles himself that he could not beat the Juggernaut in a fight.
@Amonarok in christos gages,opinion,greg pak would say otherwise,hell maybe even peter david.you say juggs was stomping the shit out of him,some of the xmen did worse than juggs.LOL,dude even the thing put up a better fight than juggernaut,mind you that was a full powered juggernaut also,and he could barely move hulk.sentry punched hulk through a building,didnt see juggernaut do that :) besides where exactly does hulk say he cant beat juggernaut?or are you just making stuff up at this point?
@ULTIMATEBROLY1 Yes, it certainly does. Unstoppable momentum is a just as prominent part of Juggernaut's power as his durability, and the Celestial tech proved superior to the Crimson magic, so the Hulk could certainly have hurt him with it, or worse. You think the Hulk couldn't hurt Juggernaut just because he didn't get the chance in the issue because he was interrupted? No evidence supports that. Juggernaut's power comes from an Elder God, not the One Above All - there are ways to hurt him.
@Kotlettbengt uh first of all no one said his power comes from an elder god or wtf the one above all, it comes from obviously cyttorak and just because he stopped him doesnt necessarily mean he can hurt him for instance thor stopped him before with magic but he didnt hurt him
@ULTIMATEBROLY1 The reference to the One Above All meant that Juggernaut isn't physically omnipotent. Cyttorak is an Elder God, and there are powers above those of Elder Gods. Thor did hurt Cain once he had removed his forcefield but didn't have time to knock him out. I'm not putting up a fight, I'm just pointing out fallacies in your statements.
@Kotlettbengt once again wtf im not trying to put up a fight either but i also find falallacies or whatever in your statements as well soooo what now?
I loved this whole saga. Apoc owns Hulk, but nothing can control or stop the hulk forever.
suemorphplus2009 1 day ago
Hulk wins
geeka4life 4 months ago 2
what song use???
GuardianNew008 6 months ago
Eh, it's not really a 3rd party, the Trion just called for the Juggernaut and Cytorak pretty much fully took over Juggernaut, it wasn't the Trion amping him. And during 8th day, at time it was shown that his punches were causing earthquakes and collapsing the landscape, and he wasn't even punching the ground. Going to say that's a big step below punching through space/time, something Hulk has never been able to do.
Amonarok 7 months ago
@Amonarok actually yeah it really is a third party who took control of cyttoraks power in the case of trion.during 8th day,the writer actually caps juggernauts strength level,and clearly states it in the comic.hulk was collapsing landscapes and mountain ranges years before juggernaut writers nicked the idea from hulk writers.hell hulk punched ironclad in the head and it caused cataclysms across multiple dimensions,he thunder clapped a dimension out of existence,the list goes on.
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
Don't think beheading Juggernaut would actually kill him, the god D'spayre flayed Jug, leaving only a skeleton, not only did it not kill him, he kept on fighting and regenerated. Do wish this one would have played out though, a Celestial Empowered Hulk might actually be a decent fight for normal Jug, if he was one of his more powerful incarnations, 8th Day or Trion, Hulk would just get shit on hard.
Amonarok 7 months ago
@Amonarok D,spayre is not a god he is a demon.his powers had no effect on a DEAF character,which kinda leaves the juggernaut fight in doubt,seeing as illusion casting is one of his main abilities.Hulk was NOT powered by the celestials,the celestial tech was used to remove shrapnel from hulks brain and to nulify hulks rage factor,it did NOT augment his strength.also you say 8th day?his strength level was capped in that story,read it and see.also trion was an entity who stole cyttoraks power.
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
@LeBearExtrordinare cont* The Trion incarnation, was just Juggernaut that had gained full access to the gem's power and absorbed the power of the god's who created it. He became so powerful he was warping space, time, reality and even shattering through to other dimensions with his punches. Don't think Hulk has a feat that even comes close to that.
Amonarok 7 months ago
@Amonarok the d,spayre story is dubious, he is a fear lord,his speciality is casting illusions. again the celestial tech only gave hulk access to his own strength and nulified his rage factor,clearly states it in that story,your of the opinion trion could soundly beat devil and dark hulk?im of the opinion that they could easily take trion :) again too much material available that suggests hulk is stronger than juggernaut.
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
@Amonarok juggernaut gets trapped under a mountain,it takes him 3 plus years to escape,hulk gets trapped under a mountain,it takes him seconds to get out.hulk goes for a swim whilst carrying an island,throws fing fang foom to the moon,juggernaut gets outwitted by wet cement,LOL.btw going back to your earlier comment,correct me if im wrong,but didnt cyttorak originally create the gem by ripping away a piece of himself?or have they retconned that???
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
@Amonarok also regarding trion,when prof x merges with wolverine and enters the trion,they find cain marko hiding in a corner,and discover that his body(cain) and cyttoraks power have been stolen by an entity which is the evil persona of the trion(who explain this all to storm).so just to clarify,it was a third party.and no,cain did not have access to cyttoraks power because he wasnt even in control of his own body.
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
@Amonarok cont*you forgot about dark hulk(canon) and devil hulk(canon) both of whom would easily shit on any incarnation of juggernaut.Juggernaut is overrated by zealous fanboys,besides the writers have to steal ideas from past hulk stories to make their character look interesting,the d,spayre fight was a rip off from hulk v u-foes,and now cain marko has a childhood thats strangely simular to banners.to name but a few.
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
@LeBearExtrordinare God, demon, whatever, it still happened. Dark Hulk, unlikely, light made him weaker and even after Dark, Namor was putting up a fight against him on land. Devil Hulk? Don't believe he ever actually physically manifested, just on a mental plane, where you'd think it'd be more of a battle of willpower. The Celestial Armor also did in fact empower Hulk. As far as either of them beating Trion, no fucking way lol. Trion is the trio of God's who created the Crimson Ruby.
Amonarok 7 months ago
@Amonarok the fact is,it took a third party to achieve the dimensional wall smashing,cyttorak cant do this by himself.besides its not like he destroyed a dimension with a punch,now is it?even sentry can break through dimensional walls.but thats as good as it gets with juggernaut,has he threatened the entire planet with mere footsteps?has he shattered an asteroid 2x earths size with a punch?has he held up an entire mountain range,i sorry but hulks feats of strength far outway that of juggernauts.
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
@LeBearExtrordinare cont* Even Christos Gage, writer of WWH said that it was the strong incarnation of Hulk to date and we saw how that turned out, Jugs was stomping the shit out of him. The only thing Hulk did was dent Jug's helmet. He had to resort to BFR, at which point he told Charles himself that he could not beat the Juggernaut in a fight.
Amonarok 7 months ago
@Amonarok in christos gages,opinion,greg pak would say otherwise,hell maybe even peter david.you say juggs was stomping the shit out of him,some of the xmen did worse than juggs.LOL,dude even the thing put up a better fight than juggernaut,mind you that was a full powered juggernaut also,and he could barely move hulk.sentry punched hulk through a building,didnt see juggernaut do that :) besides where exactly does hulk say he cant beat juggernaut?or are you just making stuff up at this point?
LeBearExtrordinare 7 months ago
Onslaught stopped juggernaught.
Gladiator stopped juggernaught.
Hulk stopped juggernaught.
JuliasFalls 8 months ago
@JuliasFalls
Hulk stopped juggernaut.
Hulk beat Gladiator.
Hulk beat Onslaught. Crown your King of the Strongest!! :D
MrFireball68 8 months ago
even if hulk hit juggernaut w/ the sword it wouldn't matter
ULTIMATEBROLY1 1 year ago
@ULTIMATEBROLY1 Duh, he stopped him, then he can hurt him.
Kotlettbengt 1 year ago
@Kotlettbengt umm no that doesnt relate
ULTIMATEBROLY1 1 year ago
@ULTIMATEBROLY1 Yes, it certainly does. Unstoppable momentum is a just as prominent part of Juggernaut's power as his durability, and the Celestial tech proved superior to the Crimson magic, so the Hulk could certainly have hurt him with it, or worse. You think the Hulk couldn't hurt Juggernaut just because he didn't get the chance in the issue because he was interrupted? No evidence supports that. Juggernaut's power comes from an Elder God, not the One Above All - there are ways to hurt him.
Kotlettbengt 1 year ago
@Kotlettbengt uh first of all no one said his power comes from an elder god or wtf the one above all, it comes from obviously cyttorak and just because he stopped him doesnt necessarily mean he can hurt him for instance thor stopped him before with magic but he didnt hurt him
ULTIMATEBROLY1 1 year ago
@ULTIMATEBROLY1 The reference to the One Above All meant that Juggernaut isn't physically omnipotent. Cyttorak is an Elder God, and there are powers above those of Elder Gods. Thor did hurt Cain once he had removed his forcefield but didn't have time to knock him out. I'm not putting up a fight, I'm just pointing out fallacies in your statements.
Kotlettbengt 1 year ago
@Kotlettbengt once again wtf im not trying to put up a fight either but i also find falallacies or whatever in your statements as well soooo what now?
ULTIMATEBROLY1 1 year ago
@ULTIMATEBROLY1 What now indeed, I guess we'll simply have to have a duel or do the harakiri before one of us is proven wrong.
Kotlettbengt 1 year ago
@Kotlettbengt hahahahahah HARAKIRI man i luv MK
ULTIMATEBROLY1 1 year ago 2
shame you didnt show the juggernaut getting his candy ass saved by absorbing man.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 year ago
So nothing can stop the Juggernaut? Your fucked now!!
civicmaneg6 2 years ago
Plus onsluaght stoped him as well
amartinez97 1 year ago
LMAO juggernaut is screwed.
DaSora2 2 years ago