Expanding your business IS a male fantasy, the fantasy of having more and more, controlling more and more...of being a king, really. It doesn't create any net jobs, though it will lead to more "efficient" jobs surviving, which is part of the problem - the market ONLY values efficiency and not other abstracts that humans value, like being your own boss and being able to work at your own pace - these things are NOT AT ALL valued by the free market.
You're too stupid to know anything. You're too stupid to figure out that a piece of paper is utterly meaningless because you're a know-nothing, indoctrinated Useful Idiot who is so stupid you can't even be correct on accident.
Holy shit this guy needs medication. I couldn't listen to the first fifteen seconds without feeling immensely stressed out by the screeching reactionary face on my monitor. There's making a point, and then there's just irrational, simplistic, one-dimensional, flimsy rants that voice nothing but frustration with one's own ignorance. American politics makes idiots of all those involved.
Socialism is a politically correct term for Communism, and it shouldn't be used. Call things by their proper titles and watch liberals wiggle with rage. Socialism = Communism, Gay = Sodomite, Affair = Adultery, Partner(s) = Fornicator/Slut, etc. The ultimate liberal check, call a liberal a liberal and which them dodge their title. They'll talk your ear off about how their really just "reasonable, freethinking, logical, and on and on and on. Then ask them if that means their a liberal again.
@ImpossibleVictoryUSA Bonus points if they pop a blood vessel. As their "acceptance & tolerance" philosophies blow up in their face. If they call you a Bigot, tell them what a Bigot means, if they're unable to understand you have called them a Bigot (and a hypocrite.) indirectly, then explain it to them, while admitting you're a Bigot and proud of it, as you are not tolerant of their terrible opinions.
In other words he says, "We work hard for our money and anyone who is poor doesnt deserve any sort of help because they are all lazy free loaders who want to destroy america. Taxes are bad and even though we have the largest wealth distribution gap in the world we need to keep it that way because the rich over lords are americas job creators" hahahahahaha that pretty much hit it?
@dudeonthasopha He's a typical republican. Let's say you work as a janitor, because you don't like school and you want a simple job, you're contributing to the world. Someone has to clean the floors and pick up the garbage, right?! But for republicans, if you're not making a decent amount of money, you're lazy. Yes people who studied hard deserve their earnings but if you're contributing to the world, whether you're rich or not you should always have acces to health care and other services.
@max432156 Communism does not work. Because you deal with people, people are naturally selfish, therefor it will never work and never has. Im fine with helping working people out, i am not fine with giving a crack head bum on the street health carefrom the money that i work my ass off to earn when he just sits around all day looking for his crack fix. Thats where our money is going.
@Unclesam704 i wasn't talking about communism, not even socialism, i was just saying that it would help if americans paid a little more taxes, to fund a health care system. Canada is a country of capitalism, yet we have free healthcare. This is also the reason why nothing is changing in america, Obama is trying to raise taxes, it's the only way you're going to get reforms, but the republicans always shut him down in congress. Wake up america
@max432156 No i am not giving health care to losers. That do not work for it. I work my ass off and they dont do shit. They deserve to break a leg then be fucked with no health care because their lazy bums.
@Unclesam704 Lol so for you being a janitor is lazy?! Being a car mechanic is lazy ?! How would you like it if there was no one to fix your car or clean the shit up in public places? These people contribute to society as much as anyone else, yet people with those kind of jobs often struggle to get health insurrance in the USA. Everyone should have acces to health care regardless of their jobs or education
@max432156 If you read my last post I said to losers with no jobs. I never said i wouldnt give health care to working people. I just don't want a bum with a crack addiction being able to get help from an overdose for free. If you work and cant get health care then cool your deserve it. Read through the things i say before slandering me with your weakly defended unstable arguments.
Don't worry John Galt will come around and recruit joe/steve the plumber..... we'll let those communist thieves consume each other and just step aside and watch.
No. Taking money from people who work hard is capitalism. Socialism is taking money from rich people who DON'T deserve their wealth. In fact giving money to people who don't even work isn't socialist at all. It's capitalism. A boss that sits in his office doing nothing but earns big cash is capitalism.
Raising taxes isn't about punishing hard work or success. Its about reducing the gap between the rich and the poor and have less and create more economic equality, and less suffering of the poor. Its about moving toward a modern, enlightened society.
@TheVideo5094: Over the last 30 years, wealth has been transfered from the poor and lower middle class to the super rich. Thats how "free markets" as actually practiced works. Corporations demand money from either state or federal government, and whatever they want, they generally get. Meanwhile, the tax rate on the rich has been slashed. This loud mouth is a fool. He doesn't have a clue what socialism means. The word pretty much has no meaning anymore, the way it has been misused by morons.
@ddandyy: Like I said, socialism has no meaning anymore, the way people like you misuse it. Socialism is supposed to mean that communities and workers govern and control themselves, and that democracy is extended to the industrial sphere. All this guy ever does is shout the things he hears from right wing news. He knows nothing.
@athabascka when did socialism ever have any real meaning?one of its founders,marx,was all to ready to oppress with it,(QUOTE the way to control a nation is to starve a nation.(the communist manifesto)).socialism/communism hasnt been around that long and look how many people its killed,usually its own people.take russia,china and cambodia for examples.
@ddandyy: The states that called themselves socialist (Soviet Union), used the term to take advantage of the favorirable sentiments socialism had around the world. The West called the Soviet Union socialism to associate socialism with extreme totalitarianism. You are accepting the definition provided to you by propoganda. But if you actually read the Communist Manifesto, its very clear. The goal is liberation of oppressed peoples.
@ddandyy hmm...give me the page number to that "quote". i have the book right next to me...and i want to see if he really said that...or you are just pulling this out of your ass.
@athabascka bullshit. Those rich ones do not pay taxes, because they have some good lawyers who know how to avoid taxation. Only those hired on the contract, with crappy pay are the ones who run countries forward... That is so true in Poland aswell... The richest guys in Poland, seems to be bancrupt, if you look at their tax statements... Always on loose, always with hudge expenses... "Little guys" pay more taxes than them.
Your country got killed back in 1913 when it allowed the creation of Federal Reserve bank. The debts in which USA is today right now will NEVER be repaid. You want to fix shit in your country Bob? Stop bitching on the internet and get rid of Federal Reserve Bank and all other banks for that matter. Get rid of Stock Market - most of em do not produce anything, just reselling things others produce. They are all slackers, people who live at expense of others.
From watching Bobs videos I realized that most of the times Bob's ideas based on inaccurate information and concepts. He has no clue what Communism or even Socialism is all about, yet he is terrified of them. Bob why don't you tell your Zionist controlled government to stop waging wars all over the world for resources. And stop creating money out of nothing. USA failing not because its becoming Socialist or Communist but because American Capitalism was a failure to begin with.
So its pretty silly that Bob names this video "First Socialism, now Communism..." That absolutely makes no sense at all. Bob still cant figure out why government is raising taxes, why cost of living increases exponentially. Why people lose jobs, houses and unemployment is soaring. Its not because government is communist or socialist its because USA overspends on everything and to cover uncontrolled spending USA illegally prints more and more money which cause Hyperinflation.
Wow, that is so inaccurate Bob. In Soviet Union for example if a person finished school, or came back from military, or even a prison - he was given 6 months (with the help of government of course) to find a job. He would be given many opportunities to work in a field he was originally trained in. If the person continues to evade job offers and just does absolutely nothing they would be imprisoned and forced to work. In real Socialist or Communist systems there is no place for slackers.
I must say that this video is pretty far fetched. It seems like you assume the worst when Obama says he wants to "redistribute the wealth." I certainly don't like the way things worked out under Obama, but to call him a "socialist" or even a "communist" is an unnecessary exaggeration. So glad Glenn Beck went off the air!
Jesus was a socialist who took money from the rich and gave it to the poor, pacifist liberal swine, to bad FOX News wasn't around back then to put him in his place, POWER TO THE RICH, GOD BLESS WAR AND TYRANNY, DEATH TO ALL THOSE WHO TRY TO STOP OUR GREAT LARGE CORPORATIONS FROM GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE MORE MONEY!!!!!
I notice you dont mention what the lowest bracket is and yes, I do.
Who cares anyway? If you think governments should spend more wisely and lower tax accordingly - I can agree with that. Cutting welfare isn't the answer - cutting wasteful expenditure is.
And for all you religious republicans out there, Romans 15:1 "We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves"
If Barack Obama sucks so bad then why is he the president? Because the majority of the population don't own businesses. And democracy is all about what the majority wants. And the majority is never going to own businesses because there always has to be more workers than owners. And it's not about stealing from hard working people and giving to lazy people. It's about the strong giving to the weak and being charitable.
@TheSooostoned YOU OBIVOUSLY DONT KNOW HISTORY AND THEREFORE YOU ARE RETARTED AND ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE DAMNED TO HELL FOR SAYING THE THING THAT CHANGED THE WORLD FOR THE BETTER (unlike obama) IS TERRIBLE.
2: distrabution of welth dosn't work like that, most people think if communists gained control we would take their money and give it to someone whos lazy, not true, technically we would take your bosses money and give it to you because your the one working while he sits in office. communism is a party for the proletariat (working class) if you decided that you would just sit back and let the workers pay you under communism, you would be thrown out
also, a few things: Obama is not a socialist, he is a capitalist, his actions have shown this, as an actual socialist (marxist to be exact) i can tell you the socialist community suports obama about as much as you do, mabye less.
@pvrome98 obama care is the shadow of socilised medicine, under it the rich will get better than the workers, which gose against socilism. also, distribution of welth is suposed to be when you take money from the rich and give it back to the workers who diserve it, obama takes it from the workers and gives it to the rich, hes a fascist like almost every other US politicion, which is the oposite of socilaism.
@vader300 umm no no one will get good health care thts the problem with free medicine all the who have health care will pay more and supplies and dactors will be spread so thin tht it will take a 3 month wait to get in touch with a doctor sooo it doesnt benefit the rich it benefits the poor.
@pvrome98 umm... have you even looked into obama care? one: its not free, it comes from taxes, two: the rich WILL be able to get better helth care because they can aford better health care. it was desighn that way specificaly, catering to the rich + not socialism.
dude, don't take this the wrong way, but are you on drugs? your just screaming nonsense at a camera as fast as possible, the main inpact you seem to have on people is on some level you scare the shit out of them causeing them to somewhat pay attention. i guess thats one way of getting your message acrossed.
Really? Ok, lets ask ourselves a question: who is the bigger thief, the government who wants to re-distribute wealth, build libraries, educate the children of the impoverished. Or is it the wealthy elite, who hold 80% of your nations wealth in 1% of the population. Who have engineered a system in which money begets money and their children - by no virtue save being born rich - inherit lives of luxury. If bob the plumber is a working class man, capitalism isn't working for him to begin with.
this is insanity!!! for one if you use jo the plumber as a political source then i can see why your so ignorant second taxes were higher under reagan and unless you make over $250000 a year you would have gotten a tax break so stop complaining about things that are none existent and CONTRIBUTE to society!!!!!!!!
This guy is fucking right on the money people!!! Can't you stupid Americans see the truth! I'm Irish, I live in envy of your American Capitalistic system, it's a fucking dream!! And you are all gonna lose it because your too fucking humble!! Communism is gonna take over soon if you don't stop it's fast! Well done for electing the western hemisphere's icon for socialism, idiots!!!!
@matthewthompsonTV SEE PEOPLE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY OF THE PLANET ENVIES US BECAUSE WE HAD IT RIGHT!!!!!! GOD BLESSED THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAD IT RIGHT! BECAUSE OF US THERES A HOPE OF FREEDOM THROUGH OUT THE WORLD!!!!!! AND YOU GOD DAMN LEFTIST, LIBERALS, COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST, AND MARXIST ARE TRYING TO MAKE US LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY????? OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOUGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS THE CREATED THE GREATEST DOCUMENTS ON EARTH THEY DID THE HARD STUFF NOW ITS UP TO US TO NOT LET IT GO IN VAIN!!!
What happens when Joe the plumber gets run over by an uninsured driver and cannot work any more due to disability? What happens if Joe has a child born with severe learning disabilities and needs care for the rest of its life? What happens if theres a sudden lack of work for plumbers and through no fault of his own Joe cannot work?
Seems to me that Joe is thinking of himself. He is fit and well and capable of working. He deserves reward for hard work - tax only skims some off the top.
@TawntheAtheist In our present managerial society, Joe the Plumber would then become an excuse for the bureaucratic friends and allies of Barack Obama to increase taxes, and thus increase the pool from which they derive their pay raises and benefits. Joe the Plumber will still sink into poverty - and no other business entrepreneur would be allowed to save him, being as they are mired by an oppressive tax burden themselves. Government employees, however, would continue to get richer and richer.
@DrCruel "to increase taxes, and thus increase the pool from which they derive their pay raises and benefits."
Well that sounds rather like a conspiracy theory.. I could easily say that Republicans just want to cut welfare in order to increase their own salaries (I dont believe this).
Oh and cut taxes because... guess who benefits the most from tax cuts? The rich! (I do believe this)
Joe the plumber is better off overall with slightly higher taxes and a good welfare system.
@TawntheAtheist Business people do want to cut welfare, in part so that they can keep their own money. Business people produce their own wealth, instead of siphoning it off from productive people, so their accumulation of wealth is a sign of economic health rather than decline.
Thus I'm not adverse to stealing less from business people, even if that would reduce the salaries and benefits of government employees. If you want to call that reduction in stealing "tax cuts", that's ok with me too.
@DrCruel "Thus I'm not adverse to stealing less from business people, even if that would reduce the salaries and benefits of government employees." You are missing the point.
I want you to imagine a society designed around your principles. What exactly happens to Joe when he gets knocked over by an uninsured driver and is left seriously injured for life?
I haven't expressed any principles for which you might judge me. But I can say what would happen in the absence of a government bureaucracy would be the same as what happens with it - Joe would be crippled, and would ultimately have to depend on family and friends for help. The difference now is that he can go to a government bureau and be ignored by well off government employees.
Your complaint (and I would agree) seems to be with the corruption of governments. If people were more involved with politics and government was policed better by the people, would you not agree that a functioning welfare system would be far superior to a capitalist dog-eat-dog world?
Nothing is perfect here in England, but at least the welfare system is there to help if you lose your job or whatever.
@TawntheAtheist I would agree that living in a functioning capitalist free market economy is far superior than having to toil as a slave in a socialist, dog-eat-dog world.
I might add that socialism has nothing to do with helping the poor or disadvantaged. To do that, you need the sort of surplus economies that are the byproduct of free markets and free trade.
Ive explained that I think the welfare system, if properly run, makes provisions for disadvantaged people. Im not sure why you think socialism isnt supposed to be about that. btw for your information, im pro-free market too, but with some limits and constraints.
I trust you are not confusing socialism with communism.
@TawntheAtheist I don't think socialism is about helping the poor because of the empirical evidence. You don't have to go to a Marxist country to see why. Just go to the parking lot of any welfare office and see what sorts of cars the welfare office employees drive.
Socialism, when run as it is meant to be run, enriches socialists at the expense of everyone else. It's the Amway of ideologies.
@DrCruel so does captialism. As far as I can see, their not much better than each other. Democracy, theocracy, dictatorship, communist, capitalist, socialist. They all mean the same thing. Money in the pocket of one, and a broom rammed up the arse of the others. Thats why Im going to go and live on the moors and mind my own.
@grimblebrumble17889 I think free market systems give the participants more of an even break. I'm not a strict student of the Chicago school, and think government does have a role in regulating an economy, but I think US politicians are too corrupt to do a proper job of it. Certainly capitalists are greedy, but it takes a socialist to come up with the idea that (the poor, the economy, the ecosphere) is better off only when money is taken forcibly from productive people and given to socialists.
@DrCruel Yes of course, how silly of me.. I believe in an ideology that is all about supporting my fellow comrades. Lol. I dont know what messed up version of socialism you have in your head - but its not the one I support.
Im not all that interested in talking to a conspiracy nut.
(welfare office employees.. wow.. like any civil servants they have lower-middle class incomes - maybe things are different where you live)
@TawntheAtheist No one's forcing you to be abusive, mocking or insulting. If my comments are so offensive to your delicate sensibilities that you feel you cannot tolerate them, or so illogically insane that you cannot respond intelligently to them, you are entirely welcome to bugger off. With my blessing.
I'd introduce how socialists have turned the US public school system into a dysfunctional piggy bank for themselves, but mentioning school choice might give you a heart attack.
@DrCruel Meh, I haven't been affected by you. No delicate sensibilities here - its more the latter. To cite the cars which welfare office workers drive is pretty high on the illogically insane scale. :) Honestly I dont know how to respond. Too crazy.
Why would I have a heart attack over school choice? Yeah, I don't think its fair that those whose parents can pay get a better start in life. but, I dont blame anyone for trying to get the best for their child.
@TawntheAtheist For someone not interested in talking to a "conspiracy nut", you seem quite keen to respond to me. You should make up your mind.
School choice refers to allowing parents rather than a union monopoly to decide what children are taught and where they go to school. But when school voucher systems are brought up, Leftists become spastic and abusive.
If welfare office employees are driving expensive new cars, this implies a high income. It's an easy way to make my point.
@DrCruel I dont know what a school voucher system is.
Allowing parents to influence what children are taught is all well and good.. but thats salesman talk. If you don't have the money - you dont really get a choice. Ideally, all parents get an equal say through influencing the school board, rather than influence proportional to their wallets.
Expensive cars shows there are inefficiencies in the system in the non-socialist usa. How does that say anything about socialism?
@TawntheAtheist Each student would get a voucher which would be redeemable for a set tuition value by the school the student attends. Parents would get to choose the school that their child goes to, based on whether or not they think the school is doing a good job. This would allow parents to choose either a public or private school.
Since per pupil spending in the public system averages over $10,000, kids in such a system would be able to afford to go to some very good private schools.
@TawntheAtheist If government employees can afford to buy increasingly expensive, new cars, even as there is less and less money available for the poor, then I might suspect that the money meant to help the poor is instead being used to enrich these government employees ostentatiously tasked to aid the poor.
This is only a most basic example. See if you can find out where government employees live. Why are such jobs so hard to get if you aren't related to a government employee already?
@DrCruel "..money meant to help the poor is instead being used to enrich these government employees ostentatiously tasked to aid the poor."
That is probably true to some extent. People are corrupt.
This is what I meant when I said youre missing the point.
Im differentiating between the corruption and the principles of welfare. We should be in agreement on this, but you blame the principle. I blame the corruption. I say the principles of welfare are sound but havent been properly implemented.
@TawntheAtheist I disagree. The problem is the very fact that funds are being provided to reward people for being out of work. Worse, the means by which these funds are distributed is flawed - government employees are used, which creates an insurmountable temptation to use these funds for the enrichment of the fund distributors, rather than the recipients.
I might add, this is a major reason why Vatican City is such an opulent place.
@DrCruel I know my dad struggled in the 80s when the industry worked in was dissapearing. He certainly didnt regard benefits as a reward. It was a lifeline for my family at the time.
There is wisdom in what you say, but I think the problem is that there are people who refuse to work and sponge off the state. The system isnt properly policed. Likewise, corrupt people in power look after themselves. This happens because the general population doesnt police politics. society is ignorant and lazy.
@DrCruel Your comment about the vatican is interesting. The thing with the vatican is that the RC Church is essentially an unregulated charity. Likewise, but to a lesser extent, welfare is not always being properly regulated and / or policed.
However, the vatican argument doesn't make Charity as a concept wrong. Likewise, Welfare as a concept isnt wrong either.
Welfare should be a last resort.. and that some people think it a reward shows the implementation has failed - not the concept.
@TawntheAtheist My intention is not to be critical of the idea of charity. I think what Milton Friedman had to say about the four ways of spending money is most pertinent.
If you try to address poverty by creating a bureaucracy to deal with it, poverty will not go away. Instead, as this bureaucracy will now have a vested interest in poverty, they will do things that worsen the problem - and will demand more and more money to combat the problems they create.
Yes, what if one of those following things you said actually does happen. If there are not taxes, the chance of him ending up on the street is no longer in the hands of the majority of people, its in the hands of whoever can volunteraly give him money.
@TawntheAtheist Yes. If there is not public health care and no one gives him money, he is screwd.
Not objectively, one could refute this by saying ""Well to bad for him, it doesnt justify taking someone elses money without their permission"". But what people have to realise is that society doesnt quite work like that. If 99% of the population had bad lifes, I dont think they will stick with it because of some half bad argument about taxation.
@gulbirk Agree completely. If libertarians had their way, I think it wouldn't take long before society crumbled from the inside. Taxation as a means of preventing the rich-poor gap widening too far is actually beneficial to all parties.
Shutup you idiot! Socialism and welfare are two of the greatest things the human race have ever come up with. America is a capitalist state in which people are victimised and profit comes before people-sounds pretty shit to me.
@ginnerjoeo7 you think the welfare system is one of the 2 greatest things ever created by humans .wow.....have you looked at teh welfare system lately...ahhah damn you fucks are completely delusional......ppl like you over look reality for theory...threre are a lot of things that the idea works and seems to make sense..but we are humans and reality doesnt allow "good ideas" a lot of the time...same with socialism...its a proven failure...look it up..actually reasearch instead of being a dumbass
@ginnerjoeo7 welfare and socialism suck if you knew what they were you would know but obviously you dont. and no the only poverty there is is people failure to work hard and support themselves and welfare causes tht poverty!!!!!!!!!
this guys an idiot... whats wrong with fairness? just because people are poor doesn't meen they dont work hard! fucking idiot... He is not a communist or socalist you retard. He is a proggresive, not even liberal.... idiot....
@Gregoravich1992 Just handing out money? Ok, then I just will not work the rest of my life...I will keep my job. He's not even a liberal? He was voted the most liberal member in Congress in 2008...Not a socalist? Then why does he keep promoting socialist programs?
@JJJohnson32 he's a bout as far left as american politicians get. which is center-right. Everyone else is just right or far right. And socialist programs are the reason your life in america is even bearable.
@joekopor He's far left. I don't use social programs...most of them are abused by peopel who don't want to work, instead of that people who can't work. Look at Detorit and what those programs have done to the city.
Um, Obama's tax rates are lower than Reagan's were... And Joe is out of work, because of it. I'm a socialist... and everything you've just said is horribly inaccurate, and extremely stupid. I don't think I'd ever be caught drinking with you, Bob. I'll be sharing swigs with Joe the employed, and he'll love me, and he'll love socialism. Because that's what socialism is.. sharing.
Redistributing the wealth hurts Joe the Plumber....if he was a rich millionaire. If he was a rich millionaire, he wouldn't be hurt though, because he's fucking rich.
I don't know how it goes down in the US&A, but in Canada, being the loudest coke addict of them all doesn't automatically validate the shit that spews out of that cockhole in your face. lol u mad?
Dude you need to do some more research before you start using words like socialism, you apparently have not read or done any considerable amount of research on the topic, yet your yelling about things you do not understand. I feel bad that you have expelled so much energy yelling about something you do not understand.
ignorant like this is why Americans don't understand what socialism is.......and why we are going down the tube. every other western nation has a powerful socialist party but us even are Allys France, Britni and Canada. and frankly capitalism is a failed experiment. just to keep it working it has to be fused with socialism.
"First socialism. Now communism..." Dude Socialism comes after Communism.
And because I don´t want to take part in US politics, I just say you need to study more on the socialism. You don´t seem to understand it´s point. Socialism wants to make sure that some fat, rich man doesn´t take the profit from the job that you do.
@squeezycheeseypeas And you've offered no reason as to why he's wrong. Just that he's wrong, which doesn't begin to make any sense. He just explained Socialism and Communism in a nutshell. It doesn't work. Honestly who cares if he yells or not. It is too much for you to comprehend? Everyone has to use an indoor voice and never rant about what they dislike? What's wrong with you people? Socialism doesn't work anyway. It's one of those things that sound good, but really isn't.
@squeezycheeseypeas I'm sure you haven't even though you'd like to believe you have. You never saw any of the negatives of socialism? It's like a more lenient version of communism. Socialism isn't working for Europe, why would it work for us? It wasn't what this country was founded upon, and our freedoms shouldn't be restricted like they are now.
@Yabuturtle well a degree and 7 years working in this research would say that I have but that's besides the point. You don't understand socialism, I never said it was good or bad just that he was wrong. We don't have socialism in Europe but we do have a degree of democratic socialism (even you have a senator with the same ideals), pure socialism doesn't work (it's an economic model not political like communism) but regulating business to protect + benefit the general population is a good thing.
@Yabturtle your variation of capitalism is slowly destroying your culture. Money is worth more than people in Amreica at the moment. Average people are paying taxes to make very wealthy people even richer because they get very high tax breaks.
@squeezycheeseypeas Ours is a quasi version of Socialism. I'm aware how bad it is, which is why I agreed with the vid. We don't have real capitalism not anymore, it's just slowly leaning towards socialism, like this guy in the vid explained. It'll go to socialism and then communism if we're not careful.
@Yabuturtle you'll find that as a consumer you are very well protected over here in Europe. There are bodies in the UK like FSA who protect consumers from exploitation by financial institutions (they just had a massive success over the banks selling PPI), there are others such as OFCOM, OFGEN etc. Americans see this as socialism but we see it as consumer protection. We have laws preventing people from just being sacked, made redundant, disciplined. Firms can make money but responsibly
@squeezycheeseypeas why dont you prove it instead of making a cliche half-assed statement since obviously you have all the fucking answers and can dismiss someone so quickly as though he has said a proven false statement
Socialism is about empowering those who actually work for the capitalists, who supply the labor necessary for the accumulation of wealth by the capitalists. It redistributes wealth who work for their money and contribute, not jsut to the lazy as this idiot says.
@Dusty1298 Socialism redistributes wealth and property ownership from people who have to people who have not. This sounds great to most people who have not and that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is the principle behind it. Socialism teaches that individuals don't have property rights and that all we need to do is vote to take away peoples' property for our own benefit, then we can steal it. Property rights are the basis for freedom and Socialism completely destroys that base.
If you make more you are able to contribute more. Im not saying that everyone should have the same but a lot of the programs are not for people who don't want to work but for peole who CANT work
Right, cause trying to help the poor is socialism.... I like how this guys seems to forget that only so many can actually gain anything in capitalism, and that no matter how hard you work, most HAVE to loose. A capitalist economy cannot function if the majority of the wealth is held by large minority or a majority of the people. Hard work gives you rewards yes, but most people have to loose first.
In my opinion, the reason why America is so fucked up, is because of your terrible, evil, greedy capitalist government. Before you start paying off debts, and creating more jobs, you need to reverse your ideologies and stop pretending like capitalism is a good thing.
@yellowgrass111 I don't see many of the suffering people in China living as good as their elected leaders live either. it's about injustice in the courts..and the super rich over here..meaning like guys who make 400 mil a yr. and ceo's that make 35k in less then a day. it's the government, that strips us of our right for healthy competition.I don't care if some guy makes 400mil..if I can start my own business and compete.but civil works are ran by the super rich.150k for a liqueur licence? wtf
@imonlydoingthis76 Yeah, China's become REALLY capitalist nowadays. People still say its communist and say it sucks, but really, it's not. It's so capitalist you can't believe it.
Joe the plumber what a conventional name lol
Daniel55556 3 days ago
Expanding your business IS a male fantasy, the fantasy of having more and more, controlling more and more...of being a king, really. It doesn't create any net jobs, though it will lead to more "efficient" jobs surviving, which is part of the problem - the market ONLY values efficiency and not other abstracts that humans value, like being your own boss and being able to work at your own pace - these things are NOT AT ALL valued by the free market.
donteatthefishsticks 4 days ago
Thats not socialism what you just said-.- idiot get educated
dondanyi 2 weeks ago
@dondanyi - GAWD you're fucking stupid!
You're too stupid to know anything. You're too stupid to figure out that a piece of paper is utterly meaningless because you're a know-nothing, indoctrinated Useful Idiot who is so stupid you can't even be correct on accident.
thomaserossi 5 days ago
@thomaserossi the faack is wrong with you? fucking freak
dondanyi 5 days ago
WORK FOR FOX NEWS THAN????????? WHAT CAN I SAY
harrisonconstantinou 2 weeks ago
Holy shit this guy needs medication. I couldn't listen to the first fifteen seconds without feeling immensely stressed out by the screeching reactionary face on my monitor. There's making a point, and then there's just irrational, simplistic, one-dimensional, flimsy rants that voice nothing but frustration with one's own ignorance. American politics makes idiots of all those involved.
AntidoteY 2 weeks ago
haha nice one
bluediablo9 3 weeks ago
I hope this dude @drinkingwithbob.... If you make more than minimum wage.. Your taxes will not be low.. It will be high because you make more...
TheRoyalBlueStar 3 weeks ago
you are the foooking man on youtube..
but i guess u have some streess disorder
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ImpossibleVictoryUSA 1 month ago
@ImpossibleVictoryUSA Bonus points if they pop a blood vessel. As their "acceptance & tolerance" philosophies blow up in their face. If they call you a Bigot, tell them what a Bigot means, if they're unable to understand you have called them a Bigot (and a hypocrite.) indirectly, then explain it to them, while admitting you're a Bigot and proud of it, as you are not tolerant of their terrible opinions.
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ImpossibleVictoryUSA 1 month ago
U should work for Fox news, they always need more dipshits.
zandyinc 1 month ago
sick and funny guy :D:D:D:D:D:
MegaAble1234 1 month ago
If I became rich as hell id probably be against communism myself.
Mbombed 1 month ago
I love this guy. Spot ON!
boanerges144 1 month ago 2
he's like colin quinn on crack
jerbear82 1 month ago
This is what happens when your mum is your sister!
fuzzynostic 1 month ago
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Whoa, when is he going to do a keg stand?
jon66065 1 month ago
Whoa, when is he going to do a keg stand?
jon66065 1 month ago
someone give this guy a helmet and a sedative before he hurts himself...
ryanmcd91 1 month ago
...What the hell did that have to do with Communism?
DimitriMolotov 2 months ago
Yes, yelling is a great way to get your point across.
MisledTrick 2 months ago
Jesus H Fucking Christ.
RobotModel790 2 months ago
You're so silly.
DesBlackmore 2 months ago
In other words he says, "We work hard for our money and anyone who is poor doesnt deserve any sort of help because they are all lazy free loaders who want to destroy america. Taxes are bad and even though we have the largest wealth distribution gap in the world we need to keep it that way because the rich over lords are americas job creators" hahahahahaha that pretty much hit it?
dudeonthasopha 2 months ago
@dudeonthasopha He's a typical republican. Let's say you work as a janitor, because you don't like school and you want a simple job, you're contributing to the world. Someone has to clean the floors and pick up the garbage, right?! But for republicans, if you're not making a decent amount of money, you're lazy. Yes people who studied hard deserve their earnings but if you're contributing to the world, whether you're rich or not you should always have acces to health care and other services.
max432156 2 months ago
@max432156 Communism does not work. Because you deal with people, people are naturally selfish, therefor it will never work and never has. Im fine with helping working people out, i am not fine with giving a crack head bum on the street health carefrom the money that i work my ass off to earn when he just sits around all day looking for his crack fix. Thats where our money is going.
Unclesam704 1 month ago
@Unclesam704 i wasn't talking about communism, not even socialism, i was just saying that it would help if americans paid a little more taxes, to fund a health care system. Canada is a country of capitalism, yet we have free healthcare. This is also the reason why nothing is changing in america, Obama is trying to raise taxes, it's the only way you're going to get reforms, but the republicans always shut him down in congress. Wake up america
max432156 1 month ago
@max432156 No i am not giving health care to losers. That do not work for it. I work my ass off and they dont do shit. They deserve to break a leg then be fucked with no health care because their lazy bums.
Unclesam704 1 month ago
@Unclesam704 Lol so for you being a janitor is lazy?! Being a car mechanic is lazy ?! How would you like it if there was no one to fix your car or clean the shit up in public places? These people contribute to society as much as anyone else, yet people with those kind of jobs often struggle to get health insurrance in the USA. Everyone should have acces to health care regardless of their jobs or education
max432156 1 month ago
@max432156 If you read my last post I said to losers with no jobs. I never said i wouldnt give health care to working people. I just don't want a bum with a crack addiction being able to get help from an overdose for free. If you work and cant get health care then cool your deserve it. Read through the things i say before slandering me with your weakly defended unstable arguments.
Unclesam704 1 month ago
Don't worry John Galt will come around and recruit joe/steve the plumber..... we'll let those communist thieves consume each other and just step aside and watch.
I liked your rant btw... and you're not alone.
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mike93345 3 months ago
Fucking hell, people who shout dont have well constructed arguements. You make me wish Che Guevara was still alve
hunkyfunkyjunky 3 months ago
No. Taking money from people who work hard is capitalism. Socialism is taking money from rich people who DON'T deserve their wealth. In fact giving money to people who don't even work isn't socialist at all. It's capitalism. A boss that sits in his office doing nothing but earns big cash is capitalism.
MrOldMajor 3 months ago
Raising taxes isn't about punishing hard work or success. Its about reducing the gap between the rich and the poor and have less and create more economic equality, and less suffering of the poor. Its about moving toward a modern, enlightened society.
athabascka 3 months ago
@athabascka what gap
TheVideo5094 3 months ago
@TheVideo5094: Over the last 30 years, wealth has been transfered from the poor and lower middle class to the super rich. Thats how "free markets" as actually practiced works. Corporations demand money from either state or federal government, and whatever they want, they generally get. Meanwhile, the tax rate on the rich has been slashed. This loud mouth is a fool. He doesn't have a clue what socialism means. The word pretty much has no meaning anymore, the way it has been misused by morons.
athabascka 3 months ago
@athabascka socialism means instaling a political party and then that party wipes out the people who installed them.
ddandyy 3 months ago
@ddandyy: Like I said, socialism has no meaning anymore, the way people like you misuse it. Socialism is supposed to mean that communities and workers govern and control themselves, and that democracy is extended to the industrial sphere. All this guy ever does is shout the things he hears from right wing news. He knows nothing.
athabascka 3 months ago
@athabascka when did socialism ever have any real meaning?one of its founders,marx,was all to ready to oppress with it,(QUOTE the way to control a nation is to starve a nation.(the communist manifesto)).socialism/communism hasnt been around that long and look how many people its killed,usually its own people.take russia,china and cambodia for examples.
ddandyy 3 months ago
@ddandyy: The states that called themselves socialist (Soviet Union), used the term to take advantage of the favorirable sentiments socialism had around the world. The West called the Soviet Union socialism to associate socialism with extreme totalitarianism. You are accepting the definition provided to you by propoganda. But if you actually read the Communist Manifesto, its very clear. The goal is liberation of oppressed peoples.
athabascka 3 months ago
@ddandyy hmm...give me the page number to that "quote". i have the book right next to me...and i want to see if he really said that...or you are just pulling this out of your ass.
DeathBite66 3 months ago
@athabascka He is crazy, Raising taxes on Doctors and cutting them for bankers punishes the hard work.
2 things I hate Socialism and Corporatism
TheVideo5094 3 months ago
@athabascka bullshit. Those rich ones do not pay taxes, because they have some good lawyers who know how to avoid taxation. Only those hired on the contract, with crappy pay are the ones who run countries forward... That is so true in Poland aswell... The richest guys in Poland, seems to be bancrupt, if you look at their tax statements... Always on loose, always with hudge expenses... "Little guys" pay more taxes than them.
GrendelPL 3 months ago
@GrendelPL; Sounds like you misread me. I agree with you.
athabascka 3 months ago
Blah Blah Blah... when someone talks to me like this I stop listening.
I'm awake, now please go to sleep.
CelticProgeny 3 months ago
Obama was a lie just like GW was. I'm voting Ron Paul in 2012 at least he has not lied to us... Yet.
atchisrj1 3 months ago
Dude take fucking chill pill. You're going to make yourself have a heart attack.
TheClayPeopleAreHere 4 months ago
Your country got killed back in 1913 when it allowed the creation of Federal Reserve bank. The debts in which USA is today right now will NEVER be repaid. You want to fix shit in your country Bob? Stop bitching on the internet and get rid of Federal Reserve Bank and all other banks for that matter. Get rid of Stock Market - most of em do not produce anything, just reselling things others produce. They are all slackers, people who live at expense of others.
Chudakov77 4 months ago
From watching Bobs videos I realized that most of the times Bob's ideas based on inaccurate information and concepts. He has no clue what Communism or even Socialism is all about, yet he is terrified of them. Bob why don't you tell your Zionist controlled government to stop waging wars all over the world for resources. And stop creating money out of nothing. USA failing not because its becoming Socialist or Communist but because American Capitalism was a failure to begin with.
Chudakov77 4 months ago
So its pretty silly that Bob names this video "First Socialism, now Communism..." That absolutely makes no sense at all. Bob still cant figure out why government is raising taxes, why cost of living increases exponentially. Why people lose jobs, houses and unemployment is soaring. Its not because government is communist or socialist its because USA overspends on everything and to cover uncontrolled spending USA illegally prints more and more money which cause Hyperinflation.
Chudakov77 4 months ago
Wow, that is so inaccurate Bob. In Soviet Union for example if a person finished school, or came back from military, or even a prison - he was given 6 months (with the help of government of course) to find a job. He would be given many opportunities to work in a field he was originally trained in. If the person continues to evade job offers and just does absolutely nothing they would be imprisoned and forced to work. In real Socialist or Communist systems there is no place for slackers.
Chudakov77 4 months ago
After finding out who joe the plummer is i bet you feel like a douche... stop making videos scumbag!
Spartinez 4 months ago
you need to smoke a joint, lmfao!
bradjbourgeois73 4 months ago
@bradjbourgeois73 Haha you made my day with that
WHISKEYWARRIOR9 4 months ago
I must say that this video is pretty far fetched. It seems like you assume the worst when Obama says he wants to "redistribute the wealth." I certainly don't like the way things worked out under Obama, but to call him a "socialist" or even a "communist" is an unnecessary exaggeration. So glad Glenn Beck went off the air!
JayLaher 4 months ago
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Jesus was a socialist who took money from the rich and gave it to the poor, pacifist liberal swine, to bad FOX News wasn't around back then to put him in his place, POWER TO THE RICH, GOD BLESS WAR AND TYRANNY, DEATH TO ALL THOSE WHO TRY TO STOP OUR GREAT LARGE CORPORATIONS FROM GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE MORE MONEY!!!!!
severevoid 4 months ago
@Theliberty411
I notice you dont mention what the lowest bracket is and yes, I do.
Who cares anyway? If you think governments should spend more wisely and lower tax accordingly - I can agree with that. Cutting welfare isn't the answer - cutting wasteful expenditure is.
TawntheAtheist 5 months ago
fuck russia and communism
KINGxTROLL 5 months ago
And for all you religious republicans out there, Romans 15:1 "We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves"
NickolusMcIe 6 months ago
If Barack Obama sucks so bad then why is he the president? Because the majority of the population don't own businesses. And democracy is all about what the majority wants. And the majority is never going to own businesses because there always has to be more workers than owners. And it's not about stealing from hard working people and giving to lazy people. It's about the strong giving to the weak and being charitable.
NickolusMcIe 6 months ago
this is whats wrong with conservative talk, cant express themselves normally. this guy is going 2 shoot a dem in a few. fuck new york.
MrCalmlikeaBomb 6 months ago
taking money from people arent socialism that is capitalism
goffe22 6 months ago
I'm not sure if you need another drink, or find a local AA group. but I completely agree. whatever you're doing, keep it up!
fargon187gmailcom 6 months ago
Calm down
manrayer88 6 months ago
Bob needs a drink
dcanmore 6 months ago
@TheSooostoned YOU OBIVOUSLY DONT KNOW HISTORY AND THEREFORE YOU ARE RETARTED AND ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE DAMNED TO HELL FOR SAYING THE THING THAT CHANGED THE WORLD FOR THE BETTER (unlike obama) IS TERRIBLE.
pvrome98 6 months ago
Capitalism has freed more people then anything else in the history of the world im going to stick with it
pvrome98 6 months ago
2: distrabution of welth dosn't work like that, most people think if communists gained control we would take their money and give it to someone whos lazy, not true, technically we would take your bosses money and give it to you because your the one working while he sits in office. communism is a party for the proletariat (working class) if you decided that you would just sit back and let the workers pay you under communism, you would be thrown out
vader300 6 months ago
also, a few things: Obama is not a socialist, he is a capitalist, his actions have shown this, as an actual socialist (marxist to be exact) i can tell you the socialist community suports obama about as much as you do, mabye less.
vader300 6 months ago
@vader300 Obama care is socialist medicine and preading the wealth is socialistic soo his actions show hes a socialist
pvrome98 6 months ago
@pvrome98 obama care is the shadow of socilised medicine, under it the rich will get better than the workers, which gose against socilism. also, distribution of welth is suposed to be when you take money from the rich and give it back to the workers who diserve it, obama takes it from the workers and gives it to the rich, hes a fascist like almost every other US politicion, which is the oposite of socilaism.
vader300 6 months ago
@vader300 umm no no one will get good health care thts the problem with free medicine all the who have health care will pay more and supplies and dactors will be spread so thin tht it will take a 3 month wait to get in touch with a doctor sooo it doesnt benefit the rich it benefits the poor.
pvrome98 6 months ago
@pvrome98 umm... have you even looked into obama care? one: its not free, it comes from taxes, two: the rich WILL be able to get better helth care because they can aford better health care. it was desighn that way specificaly, catering to the rich + not socialism.
vader300 6 months ago
dude, don't take this the wrong way, but are you on drugs? your just screaming nonsense at a camera as fast as possible, the main inpact you seem to have on people is on some level you scare the shit out of them causeing them to somewhat pay attention. i guess thats one way of getting your message acrossed.
vader300 6 months ago
woo! long live the united soviet socialist states of America
ajifoster3 6 months ago
Barack said with his plan, people will reach joe's position sooner as in like other will be able to save more money start a business like joe.
Barack didnt say he will give money to people who don't work, wtf
AnjuABCDE 6 months ago
wow... you dont know what communism is
YuGiOhReviews 6 months ago
Really? Ok, lets ask ourselves a question: who is the bigger thief, the government who wants to re-distribute wealth, build libraries, educate the children of the impoverished. Or is it the wealthy elite, who hold 80% of your nations wealth in 1% of the population. Who have engineered a system in which money begets money and their children - by no virtue save being born rich - inherit lives of luxury. If bob the plumber is a working class man, capitalism isn't working for him to begin with.
thedarkgoldfish 6 months ago
@TheSooostoned Did you learn that in Elementary School?
SLmasterbuilder 6 months ago
lol, someone didn't take their bipolar meds, and is in a manic state...
WJBardenV 6 months ago
this is insanity!!! for one if you use jo the plumber as a political source then i can see why your so ignorant second taxes were higher under reagan and unless you make over $250000 a year you would have gotten a tax break so stop complaining about things that are none existent and CONTRIBUTE to society!!!!!!!!
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COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 6 months ago
@COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY NOT AT ALL capitalism hasnt killed anyone except for the bad guys srry
pvrome98 6 months ago
This guy is fucking right on the money people!!! Can't you stupid Americans see the truth! I'm Irish, I live in envy of your American Capitalistic system, it's a fucking dream!! And you are all gonna lose it because your too fucking humble!! Communism is gonna take over soon if you don't stop it's fast! Well done for electing the western hemisphere's icon for socialism, idiots!!!!
matthewthompsonTV 6 months ago
@matthewthompsonTV SEE PEOPLE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY OF THE PLANET ENVIES US BECAUSE WE HAD IT RIGHT!!!!!! GOD BLESSED THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAD IT RIGHT! BECAUSE OF US THERES A HOPE OF FREEDOM THROUGH OUT THE WORLD!!!!!! AND YOU GOD DAMN LEFTIST, LIBERALS, COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST, AND MARXIST ARE TRYING TO MAKE US LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY????? OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOUGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS THE CREATED THE GREATEST DOCUMENTS ON EARTH THEY DID THE HARD STUFF NOW ITS UP TO US TO NOT LET IT GO IN VAIN!!!
pvrome98 6 months ago
@TheSooostoned you've understood it. Very good :)
ShayCarlFan1000 6 months ago
I think everyone is coming to realize what a fucking idiot this guy is...even the retarded conservatives that couldn't tell in the beginning
C1Era 6 months ago
What happens when Joe the plumber gets run over by an uninsured driver and cannot work any more due to disability? What happens if Joe has a child born with severe learning disabilities and needs care for the rest of its life? What happens if theres a sudden lack of work for plumbers and through no fault of his own Joe cannot work?
Seems to me that Joe is thinking of himself. He is fit and well and capable of working. He deserves reward for hard work - tax only skims some off the top.
TawntheAtheist 7 months ago 5
@TawntheAtheist In our present managerial society, Joe the Plumber would then become an excuse for the bureaucratic friends and allies of Barack Obama to increase taxes, and thus increase the pool from which they derive their pay raises and benefits. Joe the Plumber will still sink into poverty - and no other business entrepreneur would be allowed to save him, being as they are mired by an oppressive tax burden themselves. Government employees, however, would continue to get richer and richer.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel "to increase taxes, and thus increase the pool from which they derive their pay raises and benefits."
Well that sounds rather like a conspiracy theory.. I could easily say that Republicans just want to cut welfare in order to increase their own salaries (I dont believe this).
Oh and cut taxes because... guess who benefits the most from tax cuts? The rich! (I do believe this)
Joe the plumber is better off overall with slightly higher taxes and a good welfare system.
TawntheAtheist 6 months ago
@TawntheAtheist Business people do want to cut welfare, in part so that they can keep their own money. Business people produce their own wealth, instead of siphoning it off from productive people, so their accumulation of wealth is a sign of economic health rather than decline.
Thus I'm not adverse to stealing less from business people, even if that would reduce the salaries and benefits of government employees. If you want to call that reduction in stealing "tax cuts", that's ok with me too.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel "Thus I'm not adverse to stealing less from business people, even if that would reduce the salaries and benefits of government employees." You are missing the point.
I want you to imagine a society designed around your principles. What exactly happens to Joe when he gets knocked over by an uninsured driver and is left seriously injured for life?
TawntheAtheist 6 months ago
@TawntheAtheist I'm not missing the point.
I haven't expressed any principles for which you might judge me. But I can say what would happen in the absence of a government bureaucracy would be the same as what happens with it - Joe would be crippled, and would ultimately have to depend on family and friends for help. The difference now is that he can go to a government bureau and be ignored by well off government employees.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel
Your complaint (and I would agree) seems to be with the corruption of governments. If people were more involved with politics and government was policed better by the people, would you not agree that a functioning welfare system would be far superior to a capitalist dog-eat-dog world?
Nothing is perfect here in England, but at least the welfare system is there to help if you lose your job or whatever.
TawntheAtheist 6 months ago
@TawntheAtheist I would agree that living in a functioning capitalist free market economy is far superior than having to toil as a slave in a socialist, dog-eat-dog world.
I might add that socialism has nothing to do with helping the poor or disadvantaged. To do that, you need the sort of surplus economies that are the byproduct of free markets and free trade.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel
Ive explained that I think the welfare system, if properly run, makes provisions for disadvantaged people. Im not sure why you think socialism isnt supposed to be about that. btw for your information, im pro-free market too, but with some limits and constraints.
I trust you are not confusing socialism with communism.
TawntheAtheist 6 months ago
@TawntheAtheist I don't think socialism is about helping the poor because of the empirical evidence. You don't have to go to a Marxist country to see why. Just go to the parking lot of any welfare office and see what sorts of cars the welfare office employees drive.
Socialism, when run as it is meant to be run, enriches socialists at the expense of everyone else. It's the Amway of ideologies.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel so does captialism. As far as I can see, their not much better than each other. Democracy, theocracy, dictatorship, communist, capitalist, socialist. They all mean the same thing. Money in the pocket of one, and a broom rammed up the arse of the others. Thats why Im going to go and live on the moors and mind my own.
grimblebrumble17889 6 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 I think free market systems give the participants more of an even break. I'm not a strict student of the Chicago school, and think government does have a role in regulating an economy, but I think US politicians are too corrupt to do a proper job of it. Certainly capitalists are greedy, but it takes a socialist to come up with the idea that (the poor, the economy, the ecosphere) is better off only when money is taken forcibly from productive people and given to socialists.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel Yes of course, how silly of me.. I believe in an ideology that is all about supporting my fellow comrades. Lol. I dont know what messed up version of socialism you have in your head - but its not the one I support.
Im not all that interested in talking to a conspiracy nut.
(welfare office employees.. wow.. like any civil servants they have lower-middle class incomes - maybe things are different where you live)
TawntheAtheist 6 months ago
@TawntheAtheist No one's forcing you to be abusive, mocking or insulting. If my comments are so offensive to your delicate sensibilities that you feel you cannot tolerate them, or so illogically insane that you cannot respond intelligently to them, you are entirely welcome to bugger off. With my blessing.
I'd introduce how socialists have turned the US public school system into a dysfunctional piggy bank for themselves, but mentioning school choice might give you a heart attack.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel Meh, I haven't been affected by you. No delicate sensibilities here - its more the latter. To cite the cars which welfare office workers drive is pretty high on the illogically insane scale. :) Honestly I dont know how to respond. Too crazy.
Why would I have a heart attack over school choice? Yeah, I don't think its fair that those whose parents can pay get a better start in life. but, I dont blame anyone for trying to get the best for their child.
TawntheAtheist 5 months ago
@TawntheAtheist For someone not interested in talking to a "conspiracy nut", you seem quite keen to respond to me. You should make up your mind.
School choice refers to allowing parents rather than a union monopoly to decide what children are taught and where they go to school. But when school voucher systems are brought up, Leftists become spastic and abusive.
If welfare office employees are driving expensive new cars, this implies a high income. It's an easy way to make my point.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel I dont know what a school voucher system is.
Allowing parents to influence what children are taught is all well and good.. but thats salesman talk. If you don't have the money - you dont really get a choice. Ideally, all parents get an equal say through influencing the school board, rather than influence proportional to their wallets.
Expensive cars shows there are inefficiencies in the system in the non-socialist usa. How does that say anything about socialism?
TawntheAtheist 5 months ago
@TawntheAtheist Each student would get a voucher which would be redeemable for a set tuition value by the school the student attends. Parents would get to choose the school that their child goes to, based on whether or not they think the school is doing a good job. This would allow parents to choose either a public or private school.
Since per pupil spending in the public system averages over $10,000, kids in such a system would be able to afford to go to some very good private schools.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@TawntheAtheist If government employees can afford to buy increasingly expensive, new cars, even as there is less and less money available for the poor, then I might suspect that the money meant to help the poor is instead being used to enrich these government employees ostentatiously tasked to aid the poor.
This is only a most basic example. See if you can find out where government employees live. Why are such jobs so hard to get if you aren't related to a government employee already?
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel "..money meant to help the poor is instead being used to enrich these government employees ostentatiously tasked to aid the poor."
That is probably true to some extent. People are corrupt.
This is what I meant when I said youre missing the point.
Im differentiating between the corruption and the principles of welfare. We should be in agreement on this, but you blame the principle. I blame the corruption. I say the principles of welfare are sound but havent been properly implemented.
TawntheAtheist 5 months ago
@TawntheAtheist I disagree. The problem is the very fact that funds are being provided to reward people for being out of work. Worse, the means by which these funds are distributed is flawed - government employees are used, which creates an insurmountable temptation to use these funds for the enrichment of the fund distributors, rather than the recipients.
I might add, this is a major reason why Vatican City is such an opulent place.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel I know my dad struggled in the 80s when the industry worked in was dissapearing. He certainly didnt regard benefits as a reward. It was a lifeline for my family at the time.
There is wisdom in what you say, but I think the problem is that there are people who refuse to work and sponge off the state. The system isnt properly policed. Likewise, corrupt people in power look after themselves. This happens because the general population doesnt police politics. society is ignorant and lazy.
TawntheAtheist 5 months ago
@DrCruel Your comment about the vatican is interesting. The thing with the vatican is that the RC Church is essentially an unregulated charity. Likewise, but to a lesser extent, welfare is not always being properly regulated and / or policed.
However, the vatican argument doesn't make Charity as a concept wrong. Likewise, Welfare as a concept isnt wrong either.
Welfare should be a last resort.. and that some people think it a reward shows the implementation has failed - not the concept.
TawntheAtheist 5 months ago
@TawntheAtheist My intention is not to be critical of the idea of charity. I think what Milton Friedman had to say about the four ways of spending money is most pertinent.
If you try to address poverty by creating a bureaucracy to deal with it, poverty will not go away. Instead, as this bureaucracy will now have a vested interest in poverty, they will do things that worsen the problem - and will demand more and more money to combat the problems they create.
This isn't a viable solution.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@TawntheAtheist Ehm, what?
Yes, what if one of those following things you said actually does happen. If there are not taxes, the chance of him ending up on the street is no longer in the hands of the majority of people, its in the hands of whoever can volunteraly give him money.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk So he is basically screwed?
TawntheAtheist 3 months ago
@TawntheAtheist Yes. If there is not public health care and no one gives him money, he is screwd.
Not objectively, one could refute this by saying ""Well to bad for him, it doesnt justify taking someone elses money without their permission"". But what people have to realise is that society doesnt quite work like that. If 99% of the population had bad lifes, I dont think they will stick with it because of some half bad argument about taxation.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk Agree completely. If libertarians had their way, I think it wouldn't take long before society crumbled from the inside. Taxation as a means of preventing the rich-poor gap widening too far is actually beneficial to all parties.
TawntheAtheist 3 months ago
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I want to stab you to death. That's all im gonna say.
bblokar1 7 months ago
Shutup you idiot! Socialism and welfare are two of the greatest things the human race have ever come up with. America is a capitalist state in which people are victimised and profit comes before people-sounds pretty shit to me.
ginnerjoeo7 7 months ago
@ginnerjoeo7 you think the welfare system is one of the 2 greatest things ever created by humans .wow.....have you looked at teh welfare system lately...ahhah damn you fucks are completely delusional......ppl like you over look reality for theory...threre are a lot of things that the idea works and seems to make sense..but we are humans and reality doesnt allow "good ideas" a lot of the time...same with socialism...its a proven failure...look it up..actually reasearch instead of being a dumbass
tnable182 7 months ago
@ginnerjoeo7 welfare and socialism suck if you knew what they were you would know but obviously you dont. and no the only poverty there is is people failure to work hard and support themselves and welfare causes tht poverty!!!!!!!!!
pvrome98 6 months ago
that poor plummer :(
Jakzerstoren 7 months ago
he is like black fly, needs shelltox
heathen9991 7 months ago
Do much coke?
rhth79 7 months ago
i gues you need to be an american to uderstand that, Ho is the joe or steve the plumer.
only thing that i understud was that you hate Obama.
ruskraine2 7 months ago
Its samuel not steve lulz ahahah
anbrin 7 months ago
I think back then, Barrack Obama just used a bad choice of words when he made that statement....
JJJohnson32 7 months ago
moron
chefuser66 7 months ago
this guy beautifully demonstrates what i hate about america.
tommo1313 7 months ago
this guys an idiot... whats wrong with fairness? just because people are poor doesn't meen they dont work hard! fucking idiot... He is not a communist or socalist you retard. He is a proggresive, not even liberal.... idiot....
Gregoravich1992 7 months ago
@Gregoravich1992 Just handing out money? Ok, then I just will not work the rest of my life...I will keep my job. He's not even a liberal? He was voted the most liberal member in Congress in 2008...Not a socalist? Then why does he keep promoting socialist programs?
JJJohnson32 7 months ago
@JJJohnson32 he's a bout as far left as american politicians get. which is center-right. Everyone else is just right or far right. And socialist programs are the reason your life in america is even bearable.
joekopor 7 months ago
@joekopor He's far left. I don't use social programs...most of them are abused by peopel who don't want to work, instead of that people who can't work. Look at Detorit and what those programs have done to the city.
JJJohnson32 7 months ago
HAIL COMMUNISM
chelseafc529 7 months ago
@chelseafc529 I hear you brotha'
kuhj278 7 months ago
Um, Obama's tax rates are lower than Reagan's were... And Joe is out of work, because of it. I'm a socialist... and everything you've just said is horribly inaccurate, and extremely stupid. I don't think I'd ever be caught drinking with you, Bob. I'll be sharing swigs with Joe the employed, and he'll love me, and he'll love socialism. Because that's what socialism is.. sharing.
skoidat 7 months ago
Redistributing the wealth hurts Joe the Plumber....if he was a rich millionaire. If he was a rich millionaire, he wouldn't be hurt though, because he's fucking rich.
I don't know how it goes down in the US&A, but in Canada, being the loudest coke addict of them all doesn't automatically validate the shit that spews out of that cockhole in your face. lol u mad?
Fishdogpigsquirrel 7 months ago
Is he Gordon Ramsay from kitchen nightmares ?
Pedrofrombrazil 7 months ago
Dude you need to do some more research before you start using words like socialism, you apparently have not read or done any considerable amount of research on the topic, yet your yelling about things you do not understand. I feel bad that you have expelled so much energy yelling about something you do not understand.
Meeks861 7 months ago
Are you ever happy?? Can't you just stop complaining and enjoy life?? calm the fuck down.
AmazinMusic17 7 months ago
ignorant like this is why Americans don't understand what socialism is.......and why we are going down the tube. every other western nation has a powerful socialist party but us even are Allys France, Britni and Canada. and frankly capitalism is a failed experiment. just to keep it working it has to be fused with socialism.
HighLevlGamers 8 months ago
I see that the Cold War is still well and alive throughout America.
Please learn what socialism and communism (as well as Stalinism) are before you attempt to critique/explain them.
LikeALeadZeppelin 8 months ago
Please pop a blood vessel and die. It would be hilarious!
PyroPredator 8 months ago
1st:off calm down.
2nd: Redistributing the wealth helps stimulate the economy. Calm ya nerves
AlastorDarkAngel 8 months ago
decaff dude
TheBogdan10 8 months ago
"First socialism. Now communism..." Dude Socialism comes after Communism.
And because I don´t want to take part in US politics, I just say you need to study more on the socialism. You don´t seem to understand it´s point. Socialism wants to make sure that some fat, rich man doesn´t take the profit from the job that you do.
qelleri 8 months ago
People don't realize a communist system is more economically democratic than a capitalist one.
Stalinism? Leninism? Maoism? Screw that crap, it puts a shame on Marx's name.
wc1hater 8 months ago
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pretty much everything that this guy just said is wrong
squeezycheeseypeas 8 months ago 21
@squeezycheeseypeas And you've offered no reason as to why he's wrong. Just that he's wrong, which doesn't begin to make any sense. He just explained Socialism and Communism in a nutshell. It doesn't work. Honestly who cares if he yells or not. It is too much for you to comprehend? Everyone has to use an indoor voice and never rant about what they dislike? What's wrong with you people? Socialism doesn't work anyway. It's one of those things that sound good, but really isn't.
Yabuturtle 7 months ago
@Yabuturtle if you don't know why he's wrong I suggest you study, I did for many years.
squeezycheeseypeas 7 months ago
@squeezycheeseypeas I'm sure you haven't even though you'd like to believe you have. You never saw any of the negatives of socialism? It's like a more lenient version of communism. Socialism isn't working for Europe, why would it work for us? It wasn't what this country was founded upon, and our freedoms shouldn't be restricted like they are now.
Yabuturtle 7 months ago
@Yabuturtle well a degree and 7 years working in this research would say that I have but that's besides the point. You don't understand socialism, I never said it was good or bad just that he was wrong. We don't have socialism in Europe but we do have a degree of democratic socialism (even you have a senator with the same ideals), pure socialism doesn't work (it's an economic model not political like communism) but regulating business to protect + benefit the general population is a good thing.
squeezycheeseypeas 7 months ago
@Yabturtle your variation of capitalism is slowly destroying your culture. Money is worth more than people in Amreica at the moment. Average people are paying taxes to make very wealthy people even richer because they get very high tax breaks.
squeezycheeseypeas 7 months ago
@squeezycheeseypeas Ours is a quasi version of Socialism. I'm aware how bad it is, which is why I agreed with the vid. We don't have real capitalism not anymore, it's just slowly leaning towards socialism, like this guy in the vid explained. It'll go to socialism and then communism if we're not careful.
Yabuturtle 7 months ago
@Yabuturtle you'll find that as a consumer you are very well protected over here in Europe. There are bodies in the UK like FSA who protect consumers from exploitation by financial institutions (they just had a massive success over the banks selling PPI), there are others such as OFCOM, OFGEN etc. Americans see this as socialism but we see it as consumer protection. We have laws preventing people from just being sacked, made redundant, disciplined. Firms can make money but responsibly
squeezycheeseypeas 7 months ago
@squeezycheeseypeas why dont you prove it instead of making a cliche half-assed statement since obviously you have all the fucking answers and can dismiss someone so quickly as though he has said a proven false statement
tnable182 7 months ago
@squeezycheeseypeas Not one thing he said was wrong.
tether37 7 months ago
@squeezycheeseypeas Nooo...he was 100% right obama is a sociaslist just look at Obamacare
pvrome98 6 months ago
The comments here make me realize how screwed America really is. I dont even know how it got this bad.
Helljumper91 8 months ago
You need to quit drinking Bob. The booze is messing with your head.
FatalFortuneCookie 8 months ago
Socialism is about empowering those who actually work for the capitalists, who supply the labor necessary for the accumulation of wealth by the capitalists. It redistributes wealth who work for their money and contribute, not jsut to the lazy as this idiot says.
Dusty1298 8 months ago
@Dusty1298 Socialism redistributes wealth and property ownership from people who have to people who have not. This sounds great to most people who have not and that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is the principle behind it. Socialism teaches that individuals don't have property rights and that all we need to do is vote to take away peoples' property for our own benefit, then we can steal it. Property rights are the basis for freedom and Socialism completely destroys that base.
ToSaveANationDotCom 8 months ago
If you make more you are able to contribute more. Im not saying that everyone should have the same but a lot of the programs are not for people who don't want to work but for peole who CANT work
punkcowgirl2007 8 months ago
Right, cause trying to help the poor is socialism.... I like how this guys seems to forget that only so many can actually gain anything in capitalism, and that no matter how hard you work, most HAVE to loose. A capitalist economy cannot function if the majority of the wealth is held by large minority or a majority of the people. Hard work gives you rewards yes, but most people have to loose first.
Sovietcomrade262 8 months ago
you seem to be misguided.
In my opinion, the reason why America is so fucked up, is because of your terrible, evil, greedy capitalist government. Before you start paying off debts, and creating more jobs, you need to reverse your ideologies and stop pretending like capitalism is a good thing.
yellowgrass111 8 months ago
@yellowgrass111 I don't see many of the suffering people in China living as good as their elected leaders live either. it's about injustice in the courts..and the super rich over here..meaning like guys who make 400 mil a yr. and ceo's that make 35k in less then a day. it's the government, that strips us of our right for healthy competition.I don't care if some guy makes 400mil..if I can start my own business and compete.but civil works are ran by the super rich.150k for a liqueur licence? wtf
snowfallzz 8 months ago
@snowfallzz china is not a communist state , but a capitalist state. where the state keeps all the profits
imonlydoingthis76 8 months ago 28
@imonlydoingthis76 Yeah, China's become REALLY capitalist nowadays. People still say its communist and say it sucks, but really, it's not. It's so capitalist you can't believe it.
wc1hater 8 months ago
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@imonlydoingthis76 What an idiot you are that's pathetic
mislav76 7 months ago
@imonlydoingthis76 nope pretty sure China is a communist state
pvrome98 6 months ago