Not this garbage again. This guy is notorious for having his shills jump around to make him look supernatural. All the people on here that think this is real say the same thing; that you can't explain it and you just have to feel it. Hmmm, how the fuck do you ever teach it if it cannot be explained. Don't let those tricky Chinese devils deceive you. My grandma would beat his ass with a cast iron skillet or a broom stick. She wouldn't fall on her ass repeatedly like this bozo.
Not this garbage again. This guy is notorious for having his shills jump around to make him look supernatural. All the people on here that think this is real say that same thing; that you can't explain it and you just have to feel it. Hmmm, how the fuck do you ever teach it if it cannot be explained. Don't let those tricky Chinese devils deceive you. My grandma would beat his ass with a cast iron skillet or a broom stick. She wouldn't fall on her ass repeatedly like this bozo.
Liang shows good sensitivity, uses an open hand and doesn't "tug" on his opponent which is good Tai Chi. Unfo, he's unbalanced and has little "root", which means excessive force would see him fall over and unable to "yield" quickly enough or far enough to maintain distance form his opponent. he needed to domnay more "technicals" to be more "stable" with the yin and yang of his opponents force.
@Moparmal "He has little root" -HAHAHHA! Root does NOT equal deep low stance, my young friend! But thanx for the entertainment, and you're right on about those other points -happy practice, and hope you meet soneone with real internal force and root soon, then you'll know what I mean!
@nicopsico: Si querés, ignorá las partes en que el alumno sale corriendo para atrás. Lo que queda es innegable. Si aún con eso dudás, fiate el último lance.
i'm always amazed at the participants in these "fraudulent" demos. they all seem to have an extreme talent for pretending to fly off these very old chi masters with an acceleration beating that of a sprinter...
there must be an agency for these talented foils somewhere in China. ;)
However there is truth here,seek and you shall find real internal martial arts....or do a youtube search on `chi blast tricks explained `for a explanation on how and why...
Stephen Yan you must be the luckiest Guy to learnt from this Geand Master Ma Yeuh Liang . I wish I have the skill like you, Master Yan. "Fall more in order to learnt more."
The "old man" as you refer to him, was the son in law of the Wu Style Taiji creator Wu, Chien Chuan. He was better than "really good" and I dare say that in the Wu style there is no longer anyone close to his caliber. He and his late wife were true Grandmasters of this art.
The comment thread on this posting has been really informative up until recently. It's a shame to see it descend into a "my Master is better/harder/senior than your Master" exchange.
Whilst Ma was certainly a well reknowned master. His senior, Wu Kung Yi was a full time martial artist and instructor of Whampoa Military teaching the elite china military officers as well as the representative of Tai Chi at the Macau fight so I wouldnt write him off.
if your talking about the bareknuckle match with a white crane boxer in macau, mid 1950's, where Wu Kung Yi was nearly 60, and the other boxer half his age, i dont think u can describe Wu Kung Yi's performance as pathetic.
he ended the fight with the first punch.
the same punch he started the fight with.
the rest was just waiting for the white crane boxer to realise he had lost.
his nose was still pissing blood at the end of the second round, hence the fight was called off..
at 1:10, i think the move is a 3-D spin, look closely at Yuehs, left hand movement, i think he spins upwards along with sideways, which would throw the oponents shoulder differently, i beleive, accounting for the stumble factor
And....the desire to stay engaged in push-hands leads to the build up of energy/body-tension and so the dramatic effect when one opponent/component loses balance. In some ways this creates an artificial situation since there are clearly times when disengaging would allow for re-centering of balance. However, that is not push-hands, since the aim is to stay in contact.
It is impossible to disengage with Ma or anyone following correct Wu style principles as attempting to do so will cause Ma to fill in the empty space.
Paul - maybe we all see what we want to see. My take on this is that knowing you are being unbalanced is not always sufficient to avoid being thrown in push-hands especially when your oppentnt is better than you! Ma's opponent is pretty good and Ma much more so. The opponent clearly gets more energetic in his "attacks" as the session evolves and this is used by Ma against him to increasing effect.
watch the move applied at 1:10, i agree this move would upset your balance but it would not make your opponent stumble as much as the guy in the vid.Due to the twisting action of this move your opponent would basically spin on the spot landing at your feet facing away from you.
I have been fortunate to study with a true master and after 8 years had the privilege of doing push hands with him for a demonstration of issuing of energy. You have no control of your body and leave the ground with a shock. Very unsettling. Very hard to describe what is happening to yourself and completely impossible for somebody just watching. I hope you get an opportunity to experience true internal application. Feel very privileged to have access to this footage.
lets us also take note-if he was able to jump early enough to 'avoid' falling then that means he knew what move was gonna be applied before it had been,meaning he would be able to avoid getting into that situation nullifying any attacks.
i been waiting a while for these replies, lets consider the theory that he was jumping to avoid hitting the floor,if you watch his legs just before any moves are applied, you can see that he loads them (bends) ready to jump and as the move is applied up he goes,if he was jumping to avoid falling his feet would be stumbling backwards to try to catch up with his upper body falling away from him.
so very true. he is not jumping back, but being popped. that energy, when one stays connected, goes right through you and sometimes right out your feet.... BAM!!! you're jumping. if someone has not experienced this, they see something they can not possibly explain or understand.
Paul - try pushing hands with someone who knows what they are doing. A real push hands master, such as Ma was widely recognised as being, will literally wind you up without you realising it (or if you do realise you find you are unable to do anything about it). Once you have been sufficiently wound up all your opponent has to do is let you spring off. I have 20 years of combined karate and tai experience and still end up lookng like a fool in the right hands!
sorry peeps but his'mate' is jumping to make it look like power. I to am a traditional martial artist and have studied yang and chen tai chi, shaolin kung fu and wing chun so i'm not just some punk slagging off an old guy, i know pushing hands requires skill but theres no getting away from it - look closely - the guy is jumping!!
If you look again I think you might see that he is jumping away in order to avoid falling to the ground, which to start with he just about manages to do, but which by the end, when he starts to tire, he can not void. I have just come back from 3 hours' Tai Chi practice during which I did quite a bit of "jumping", and I can tell you it was not for show. That floor (like ours) is hard, and it is no fun landing on it flat on your back, shoulder, hip or coccyx, as he did at the end.
He is made jumping, he doesn't really control it. I have not experienced this that strong so far, but what my teacher and others i practiced with could show me was that they could control my reaction in some way.
Fantastic!! Now that's real tai chi power. No Matcho Bullshit, no fancy uniforms, no cocky attitude. Just an 80 year old guy throwing his pal all over the place, having fun and not blowing his own trumpet. That's the way ALL martial arts should be!
Grand Master ma Yueh Liang was increadible. He reached such a high level of Tai Chi. This video was shot in Wellington New Zealand in 1990 when he and his wife Wu Ying Hua visited their adopted daughter Shi Mei Lin.
Yes DPGDPG I have to thank you for this (and your other vids). Master Liang was an amazing man of the internal. The community is greatly diminished without his presence.
DPG you deliver again! However, rumor has it that you have this very powerful Hsing I practicioner in West Hills that wants to challenge you to Push Hands. He says that you're no match for his "Peng Chuan From Hell." ....
Not this garbage again. This guy is notorious for having his shills jump around to make him look supernatural. All the people on here that think this is real say the same thing; that you can't explain it and you just have to feel it. Hmmm, how the fuck do you ever teach it if it cannot be explained. Don't let those tricky Chinese devils deceive you. My grandma would beat his ass with a cast iron skillet or a broom stick. She wouldn't fall on her ass repeatedly like this bozo.
MrMyfistyourface 4 months ago
Not this garbage again. This guy is notorious for having his shills jump around to make him look supernatural. All the people on here that think this is real say that same thing; that you can't explain it and you just have to feel it. Hmmm, how the fuck do you ever teach it if it cannot be explained. Don't let those tricky Chinese devils deceive you. My grandma would beat his ass with a cast iron skillet or a broom stick. She wouldn't fall on her ass repeatedly like this bozo.
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bagchun 5 months ago
Liang shows good sensitivity, uses an open hand and doesn't "tug" on his opponent which is good Tai Chi. Unfo, he's unbalanced and has little "root", which means excessive force would see him fall over and unable to "yield" quickly enough or far enough to maintain distance form his opponent. he needed to domnay more "technicals" to be more "stable" with the yin and yang of his opponents force.
Moparmal 2 years ago
You're critizising Ma Yueh Liang's Taijiquan. Why not do the same with Yang Chen Fu, Sun Lu Tang or Chen Xiao Wang, while you're at it.
This guy really throws his student without so much as moving to a side (see last throw), he's perfectly rooted.
jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago
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Are you as stu---pid as you sound or even more stupid than that? You make the 3 STOOGES look like genius...WHEW!!!!!!!
theangelrules007 1 year ago
@Moparmal "He has little root" -HAHAHHA! Root does NOT equal deep low stance, my young friend! But thanx for the entertainment, and you're right on about those other points -happy practice, and hope you meet soneone with real internal force and root soon, then you'll know what I mean!
piaten 1 year ago 2
alguien me puede confirmar que eso sea real?????? qun no hay truco???
nicopsico 2 years ago
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jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago
@nicopsico: Si querés, ignorá las partes en que el alumno sale corriendo para atrás. Lo que queda es innegable. Si aún con eso dudás, fiate el último lance.
jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago
@nicopsico: no hay ningun truco. garandido! he is a real great master. one of the greatest of the '900.
MAIELLAMADRE 1 year ago
i'm always amazed at the participants in these "fraudulent" demos. they all seem to have an extreme talent for pretending to fly off these very old chi masters with an acceleration beating that of a sprinter...
there must be an agency for these talented foils somewhere in China. ;)
mcul2112 2 years ago
I can understand why you think what you think!
However there is truth here,seek and you shall find real internal martial arts....or do a youtube search on `chi blast tricks explained `for a explanation on how and why...
abraxnos 2 years ago
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jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago
@jigokunoshinigami you misunderstand. i was being sarcastic...making fun of idiots who insist these videos are ALL fake.
mcul2112 2 years ago
@mcul2112: Sorry then, my bad!
jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago
@jigokunoshinigami naw....no prob....
mcul2112 2 years ago
hilarious...awesome. let's say he can't kick some huge guy's ass....does that make what he's doing any less amazing? (or fun to watch?) no.
clue up.
mcul2112 2 years ago
Stephen Yan you must be the luckiest Guy to learnt from this Geand Master Ma Yeuh Liang . I wish I have the skill like you, Master Yan. "Fall more in order to learnt more."
keenloh 2 years ago
The harder you try, the harder you fall
jawneeshow101 2 years ago
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GetsugaD7 2 years ago
not if he can grab you
and if he's big enough to throw shoud you be fighting him
deathsquad54 2 years ago
not if he cant
deathsquad54 2 years ago
Why does he have to be black? Could he still throw you if he was white?
watts18269 2 years ago
Obvioulsy gr8 tehniq. Thank you :-)
Whats the music anyway?
kurnemlog 2 years ago
Amazing video!
soonmethod 2 years ago 2
This is excellent, thank you.
truewoman 3 years ago
is the young man steven yang? is this in nz or china?
jaydust 3 years ago
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blueplanes 2 years ago
yes the young man is stephen yan
XxFuriousMingxX 2 years ago
Manh..Ma Yueh Liang truly is amazin!! i need to do alittle research now!!
no disrespect but is he dead??j/w
kongthao1 3 years ago 2
yeah he is dead he is like 80 something or 90 something in this video
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elyafo 3 years ago
One of the true greats of our time. A real martial artist and a credit to all the masters before him.
aisukurimusandoichi 3 years ago 15
well said
andymach33 3 years ago 3
the young guys name is stephen yan, he teachers my friend in wellington nz, i can ask him if u guys want..
Spitterkat 3 years ago
Either the old man is really good...or the young guy is really outta shape!
SpeakingMyMind7 4 years ago
The 'Old Man' was really realy good.
blueplanes 4 years ago
The "old man" as you refer to him, was the son in law of the Wu Style Taiji creator Wu, Chien Chuan. He was better than "really good" and I dare say that in the Wu style there is no longer anyone close to his caliber. He and his late wife were true Grandmasters of this art.
Maxxbrand 3 years ago 4
I have never seen Tai chi used like this before, only in movies; but its so cool. Very good chinese martial art.
jayangli 4 years ago
The comment thread on this posting has been really informative up until recently. It's a shame to see it descend into a "my Master is better/harder/senior than your Master" exchange.
Snowgoose1969 4 years ago
yes, thats sadly the fate of most martial arts threads.
who cares who's master's master trained 8 hours a day and who trained 9?
berinjiajia 4 years ago
Whilst Ma was certainly a well reknowned master. His senior, Wu Kung Yi was a full time martial artist and instructor of Whampoa Military teaching the elite china military officers as well as the representative of Tai Chi at the Macau fight so I wouldnt write him off.
JianChuanTaiChi 4 years ago
Wu Jianquan's #1 disciple!
Loyaute 4 years ago
was he even better than Wu Jianquan's son, Wu Gongyi?
I never saw Ma in a real fight, but I do saw Wu in a real fight,he's pathetic.
dazizai 4 years ago
What good would an answer from me do you? You seem to know everything already...
Loyaute 4 years ago
if your talking about the bareknuckle match with a white crane boxer in macau, mid 1950's, where Wu Kung Yi was nearly 60, and the other boxer half his age, i dont think u can describe Wu Kung Yi's performance as pathetic.
he ended the fight with the first punch.
the same punch he started the fight with.
the rest was just waiting for the white crane boxer to realise he had lost.
his nose was still pissing blood at the end of the second round, hence the fight was called off..
OldWuStyle 4 years ago
Ma's the best.
lvshaolin 4 years ago 2
top notch. the real thing
theoldboxer 4 years ago
very powerful, I love internal arts :D
1234iluvthemarinecor 4 years ago
at 1:10, i think the move is a 3-D spin, look closely at Yuehs, left hand movement, i think he spins upwards along with sideways, which would throw the oponents shoulder differently, i beleive, accounting for the stumble factor
marvinkmooneyoz 4 years ago
And....the desire to stay engaged in push-hands leads to the build up of energy/body-tension and so the dramatic effect when one opponent/component loses balance. In some ways this creates an artificial situation since there are clearly times when disengaging would allow for re-centering of balance. However, that is not push-hands, since the aim is to stay in contact.
Snowgoose1969 4 years ago
It is impossible to disengage with Ma or anyone following correct Wu style principles as attempting to do so will cause Ma to fill in the empty space.
shanghaijay88 4 years ago 2
Paul - maybe we all see what we want to see. My take on this is that knowing you are being unbalanced is not always sufficient to avoid being thrown in push-hands especially when your oppentnt is better than you! Ma's opponent is pretty good and Ma much more so. The opponent clearly gets more energetic in his "attacks" as the session evolves and this is used by Ma against him to increasing effect.
Snowgoose1969 4 years ago
watch the move applied at 1:10, i agree this move would upset your balance but it would not make your opponent stumble as much as the guy in the vid.Due to the twisting action of this move your opponent would basically spin on the spot landing at your feet facing away from you.
paultreasure 4 years ago
I have been fortunate to study with a true master and after 8 years had the privilege of doing push hands with him for a demonstration of issuing of energy. You have no control of your body and leave the ground with a shock. Very unsettling. Very hard to describe what is happening to yourself and completely impossible for somebody just watching. I hope you get an opportunity to experience true internal application. Feel very privileged to have access to this footage.
normanshitface 4 years ago 11
lets us also take note-if he was able to jump early enough to 'avoid' falling then that means he knew what move was gonna be applied before it had been,meaning he would be able to avoid getting into that situation nullifying any attacks.
paultreasure 4 years ago
i been waiting a while for these replies, lets consider the theory that he was jumping to avoid hitting the floor,if you watch his legs just before any moves are applied, you can see that he loads them (bends) ready to jump and as the move is applied up he goes,if he was jumping to avoid falling his feet would be stumbling backwards to try to catch up with his upper body falling away from him.
paultreasure 4 years ago
dude, you're putting the cart before the horse.
he bends his legs to try and sink the first attack.
the second attack uses this attempted defence to send him flying.
its an old jedi mind trick....
OldWuStyle 4 years ago
jumping back?? this is real taiji at a very high level. some things you have to feel and cant understand from watching a video
andymach33 4 years ago
so very true. he is not jumping back, but being popped. that energy, when one stays connected, goes right through you and sometimes right out your feet.... BAM!!! you're jumping. if someone has not experienced this, they see something they can not possibly explain or understand.
drdankness 4 years ago 2
Paul - try pushing hands with someone who knows what they are doing. A real push hands master, such as Ma was widely recognised as being, will literally wind you up without you realising it (or if you do realise you find you are unable to do anything about it). Once you have been sufficiently wound up all your opponent has to do is let you spring off. I have 20 years of combined karate and tai experience and still end up lookng like a fool in the right hands!
Snowgoose1969 4 years ago
sorry peeps but his'mate' is jumping to make it look like power. I to am a traditional martial artist and have studied yang and chen tai chi, shaolin kung fu and wing chun so i'm not just some punk slagging off an old guy, i know pushing hands requires skill but theres no getting away from it - look closely - the guy is jumping!!
paultreasure 4 years ago
If you look again I think you might see that he is jumping away in order to avoid falling to the ground, which to start with he just about manages to do, but which by the end, when he starts to tire, he can not void. I have just come back from 3 hours' Tai Chi practice during which I did quite a bit of "jumping", and I can tell you it was not for show. That floor (like ours) is hard, and it is no fun landing on it flat on your back, shoulder, hip or coccyx, as he did at the end.
gosborg 4 years ago
He is made jumping, he doesn't really control it. I have not experienced this that strong so far, but what my teacher and others i practiced with could show me was that they could control my reaction in some way.
monkfg 3 years ago
ya and all goalies just jump out of the way during penalty kicks just to make Henry look brilliant.
wagfinpis 3 years ago
Fantastic!! Now that's real tai chi power. No Matcho Bullshit, no fancy uniforms, no cocky attitude. Just an 80 year old guy throwing his pal all over the place, having fun and not blowing his own trumpet. That's the way ALL martial arts should be!
StillnessofMind 4 years ago 5
i just watched shaolin 'hard kung fu' and thought that was awesome. but hey this is spectacular as well~
audioian 4 years ago
spectacular.
thank u so much for posting this, Ma's skills are not understood by many... this will help spread the message :)
OldWuStyle 4 years ago
Dang, kick-azz!
quakra 4 years ago
OMG It's wonderful to see the real thing for once!
warbridetoo 4 years ago
Looks like there's a few Wellington ppl here ?
northernwindfist 4 years ago
Grand Master ma Yueh Liang was increadible. He reached such a high level of Tai Chi. This video was shot in Wellington New Zealand in 1990 when he and his wife Wu Ying Hua visited their adopted daughter Shi Mei Lin.
blueplanes 4 years ago
Grand master Ma Yeuh Liang was increadible. He reached such a high level of Tai Chi Skill.
This video was shot at a demo in Wellington, New Zealand in 1990 when he and his wife Wu Ying Hua visited their adopted Daughter Shi Mei Lin.
blueplanes 4 years ago
thank you
andymach33 5 years ago
one word. amazing.
bladesxf 5 years ago
Yes DPGDPG I have to thank you for this (and your other vids). Master Liang was an amazing man of the internal. The community is greatly diminished without his presence.
heqitao 5 years ago
steven hayes one of the last ninjas!!
hoshisumo 5 years ago
whats that guys name again? Steven somebody right? Shi Meilin's ex-husband in Wellington NZ. Anyone remember?
ashwix 5 years ago
Stephen Yan
garyslinn 4 years ago
Quo3 you are childish and not internal martial arts material
thanlee 5 years ago
You can't spell.
Quoc3 5 years ago
DPG you deliver again! However, rumor has it that you have this very powerful Hsing I practicioner in West Hills that wants to challenge you to Push Hands. He says that you're no match for his "Peng Chuan From Hell." ....
:-)
Don't blame me I'm just the messenger.
Quoc3 5 years ago
excellent fajing... thanks for this
ShadowWarrior88 5 years ago