Ed Griffin interviews James Turk about GoldMoney

[SamFreedom]

ED! You did the Yuri Bezmenov interview and have permission to put them on Youtube. Good bless you, man!

[TimothyADonaghue]

10 Stars To These Two Men

[1imtrying]

Both are class acts!

[AGbalz]

I've read Mr. Griffin's book. Very interesting, except when he rants against socialism and he sees communists everywhere, etc. The FED is not about socialism; it's about fascism, which is the merger of the State and big corporations. Still, very useful stuff in the book and interesting interview.

[dromeiro]

@AGbalz

One could say that Fascism its simply franchised Socialism. After all, both imply control by the state, and that's the key question, in my view.

Either you are in control of your life and property, or someone else is. Doesn't matter a lot to me if oppression is being made by government directly, or by some corporation that has been given a monopoly by the government.

When you view things that way, you see that socialism is in fact everywhere.

[AGbalz]

@dromeiro The question is who the state works for. Socialism is a great idea and the best countries in the world in term of quality of living are not socialists, but close enough (Denmark, Norway, etc.). Socialism is for the people, but fascism is for the corportate bums, and this is the way the USA has chosen. Bailing out Wall Street is not socialism, it's plain fascism, a complete merger of the State and Big Corporations

[dromeiro]

@AGbalz Socialism is not for the people, because its imposed on the people. Socialism only serves those who are in the government, and their friends. Its an excuse for serfdom.

Bailing out wall street it's fascism, and consequentially it's also socialism... after all, who gave them the money? The state, of course.

Socialism is the control of the means of production by the state. The state gave people's confiscated money to bankers, without people's permission or opinion. Same thing.

[AGbalz]

@dromeiro When a government is legit and is elected by the people and for the people, everything is alright. The main problem in the US is that people lost faith in the government because for the last century they only had a banking cartel lapdog government. Take a look at how great countries like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc.

[dromeiro]

@AGbalz Have you ever lived in a nordic country? Do you know someone who live? Check your facts, question your assumptions.

[AGbalz]

@dromeiro Actually, I live in Canada and I know people who live in Sweden and Norway. But whatever. Socialism is as far from fascism as communism is to free market. Socialism is actually good for the people. The problem in the U.S. is that people never had any trust in the government because the government always had been a proxy for big corporations. But elsewhere, things are different. The best countries in the world have a strong government FOR the population. In the US it's fascism

[dromeiro]

@AGbalz It seems you don't bother to check your definitions, and your history.

Socialism is good for the people? Let me laugh. Go tell that to the MILLIONS Lenin, Stalin and Mao had butchered: THAT was socialism. Really, in what world do you live?

Focus on this: the big difference between political systems lies in the power retained by individuals, and the power given to the state. Fascism its a form of socialism because it implies government control. BOTH are incompatible with free markets.

[AGbalz]

@dromeiro Lenin, Stalin and Mao was communism (or rather "state capitalism"), not socialism. You really are confuse. Communism is not socialism which is not fascism. You need to get back to your books. People died by millions when fascist Germany attacked communist USSR and communists in Germany were attacked in the streets.

[dromeiro]

@AGbalz

- Do you know what URSS stands for?

- Do you know how Marx defined socialism?

It seems like your socialist education has brainwashed you (like most of us... I'm from Portugal). Try to Think, when listening to other's arguments, and try to give the "benefit of the doubt", when confronted with other ways of viewing the world. If not, you're gonna have a few nasty surprises in the years ahead.

I just like to put my 2c, so the people who read your post can get some food to thought.

Peace.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro do you know what DRC stands for?

Democratic Republic of Congo.

Do you know what DPRK stands for?

Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)

seems your education has brainwashed YOU: a NAME of a nation does NOT make its political system.

Communism defies socialism, socialism defies communism, capitalism can underlie voluntary socialism, fascism requires corporate rule. LEARN DEFINITIONS PROPERLY.

[dromeiro]

@ytgv3fc7 Oh, don't work so hard, people can still check wikipedia, and think with their own heads.

Maybe someday reality forces you to take your head out of the sand...

If you endorse either socialism or fascism, you're simply part of the problem. If you think that socialism should be imposed on others, just because you think its a good system, then you're no different from Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Lincoln, FDR, etc. It's people like you that legitimate tirany. Well, thank you!

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro any endorsement of socialism with capitalism is a solution. They work together. Fascism has nothing in common with socialism or capitalism OR communism. Fascism requires corporate rule. Your way is tyranny: socialism with capitalism is what freedom is built from.

[dromeiro]

@ytgv3fc7 Grow and learn. USSR stands for Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. Nazism stands for National SOCIALISM. Socialism stands for "centralized control of the means of production" (that's the definition I use, its precise, and comes from the Austrian School). In Socialism, you have central control: people are FORCED to cooperate at the point of a gun. In fascism, you have a dictator; same centralization, same tyranny on the people.

My way is individual freedom, not your fascism/socialism.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro You were already schooled days ago. DRC stands for DEMOCRATIC republic of Congo. It is not democratic.

DPRK stands for DEMOCRATIC people's republic of KOREA = NORTH KOREA. It's NOT DEMOCRATIC. Having the word in the NAME MEANS NOTHING.

ussr and nazi have nothing each to do with socialism. not one atom, iota, not one second, not ever.

Socialism NEVER requires central control: it's merely an OPTION.

[dromeiro]

@ytgv3fc7 It was YOU who brought democracy (which is simply the rule of the majority, it has NOTHING to do with individual rights or freedom) to the talk. Learn.

USSR and nazism are both socialism, BY DEFINITION. And its in their names. Are you 12y old? Learn.

You have the option NOT to pay your taxes? Or not to follow regulations? NO. Nor do I. It's compulsory. Where's the option? Learn.

If you want to live in socialism yourself, be my guest. Just don't force others to do the same.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro by DEFINITION the USSR is not socialist WHATSOEVER. 0% in common with socialism. The USSR used a feudal lordship model of central control to take, not to invest a single thing. Socialism requires investment.

By DEFINITION Nazis were not socialist because they HUNTED AND MURDERED all the socialists in Germany. LEARN. I AM THE TEACHER. You are the STUDENT.

[dromeiro]

@ytgv3fc7 If you want to be a teacher, start by learning to READ. Use your LOGIC and don't simply repeat the slogans you ear. Try not to be ignorant on your subject.

Socialism requires FORCE, that's the only way; you don't even tried to refute that. Socialism its part of the name (and philosophy) of nazis and soviets, because socialism is technically JUST CENTRALIZED CONTROL. Get that.

And democracy is technically JUST MAJORITY RULE: freedom is not included, they only want you to think that.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro I've already done all the reading for you and pointed you in the right direction, student. You wish not to learn, that's your problem. Socialism requires no force: a voluntary collective of people sharing ownership & benefit of a business is always socialism by definition. No government or central control is required. Democracy is not North Korea, Socialism is not Nazis. Period.

DPRK = Democratic north korea. Are you blind? DO you BELIEVE THE NAME?

[dromeiro]

@ytgv3fc7 By the way, the investment that socialism needs, is obtained at the point of a gun, be it in Russia, China, Portugal or Canada. It's confiscated from the people. The "feudal lordship model of central control" that you speak of, is what we both have today, they just give it a fancy name, like "socialism", and pretend it has nothing to do with past murderer socialisms. Study history. We live in a neo-feudalism, we are all peasants, but some of us know it, while others like being sheep.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro socialism is what we use for both worker-collectives in Canada - a business model used by a few - AND for provincial health care. It works very well & people using it love it. Fascism can never be socialism because socialism replaces corporations (removes them) and Fascism removes everything that is NOT a corporation. Socialism is ALWAYS compatible with free markets by remaining DE-CENTRALIZED and VOLUNTARY.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro voluntary collective financial action is also socialism. At that level it looks like corporate formation. Socialism need not ever be centralized nor the state, though it could be either/both.

[dromeiro]

@ytgv3fc7 no its not. Check your definitions or go talk to someone else.

[ytgv3fc7]

@dromeiro definition checked. It's precisely as I stated it. Your definition of "socialism" is invalid. Voluntary worker collectives with no government interference, no corporate structure, no shares & no centralization are SOCIALIST.

[ralph15085]

good to know... worth a second look...thanks

[vonGleichenT]

Mr. Griffin your book is the best ever and the only one that I spend time on.

[HazelMeade2015]

Well done to Ed for asking the difficult questions

[ralph15085]

IF ITS NOT IN YOUR HAND... YOU DON,T OWN IT!!!! RULES TO LIVE BY

[gallatinfx]

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