Think I remember doing this once whilst playing about with Win 95...Found it still had an EGA driver on the list (...or was it the Win 3.1 one, which it somehow still supported after I copied it across?). Set it up, with my PCI 3D graphics card ... it worked! Then soon got bored and switched back.
(Also there were enough monitor-tweak apps that could do anything from 160x100 thru 640x350 and out the other side - in truecolour!)
Impressed by the speed though - even VGA-16 usually crawls, on PCI!
Is this EGA 640x350x16/64 or the infamous 320x200x16/16 ?
the 320x200 EGA was limited to CGA's palette only... while the 640x350 had actually access to the 64 colours palette (16 per screen, but possinble raster colour changes or Demo like tricks...) and could perform neat ditherings....
Ideal solution would be a re-coded video to manage some palette colour changes so you may not be limited to the desktop's palette.
Also the video should run in fullscreen/or with only a black border.
You have to use some Hardware tricks.. probably in assembly langage... in order to get more than 16 colours on screen...
So you would have to write your own web browser or Flash reader... in order to get it manage EGA properly (with rasters colour changes/interrupts per exemple)
@macdeath69 It'd be a cool hack, to be sure... but a bit pointless. Especially with the poor resolution.
I think I saw a demo once that claimed to give 720x700 resolution or something similarly silly and all 64 colours at once on full-RAM cards, by hacking registers, palette switching and updating bang on the VBlank so as not to need a buffer. Can't see that playing nice with decoding video! But the patterns it drew did look pretty, even on our 2Mb SVGA card.
@macdeath69 Also I remember Encarta 94 (93? 95?) on an old 386SX at school, with an external SCSI caddy-load 1x speed CDROM, VGA and no sound card. Multimedia genesis .... it had videos. Which would play in ugly-as-sin poorly-dithered 16 colour mode at postage stamp size, or slightly less ugly poorly-dithered 256 colour 320x200 mode full screen!
Maybe that'd be the kind of thing to aim for? But with a better dithering algorithm, so it doesn't end up even making butterflies look awful?
lol WOW - I always wanted to try that with mine on an old box I used to have - never would have thought it would have actually worked on EGA though... I remember when EGA was "the shizzle"
and u told me that in 2010........buuuhhh.... what about all the oldscoll programs that "need" 3.11 or more. are they "fake" me? Did they only need 3.11 or more with ega drivers? I spend so many money in that card and of corse the monitor :( windows sucks. :) I don't like bill(s).....
@SkyCharger001 Why would that make 3/4 of the image disappear? All I'd personally expect to happen is that you get 130 less lines of vertical resolution (350 vs 480) and maybe a slightly different 16-colour palette than the regular Windows VGA-16 one...
BTW VGA proper is 64 gradations per component. True colour is a post-SVGA (VESA?) addition. Even highcolour only had 32 or 32/64/32 gradations. The connection standard, however, is analogue, so it could theoretically handle INFINITE colour depth
I seen this done under linux and Mplayer it looked better I guess windows must not under stand how to use the 64 color pallet it looks like it's using one of the CGA modes.
cool! I want to try this too but I have only CGA video and it hase driver only for win 3.x can not run on 9.x . and it is no chanse to run you tube videon on windows 3.1 :P becvause it supports only flash 2 and you tube require 7 or above :P sorry for my bad english !
that's ridiculous! i've actually been considering trying my hercules clone card on a P3 board i have sitting around. been thinking about that for a while.. problem would be finding a windows NT/95/98/XP/whatever driver that actually knows wtf hercules is. a custom driver would probably have to be written.
Wow, good frame rate though. I'd have been exited to have this back when I had my 386 with an EGA card and CGA monitor. Colors were the same, but I couldn't use the hi-res EGA modes.
With proper dithering down to 64 colors, the image would be a lot better. As-is, I doesn't look like it's displaying any more than 16 colors in the video. In fact, I doubt Windows even understands the 64-color EGA pallette. By its rules, everything is always either 16 colors or 256 colors, with no choices in-between.
Yes, that's true, but even dithered 16 colors should look better than what you got. Properly dithered 16-color video looks like mostly grayscale with a few highlights of color here and there.
You should also try EGA monochrome mode, if your monitor will support it. It uses the same video signal spec as MDA and Hercules, but displays EGA-compatible 640x350 monochrome graphics. I think if you dig deep enough, you can find a Windows 95/98 driver for VGA/MCGA monochrome, as well.
hmm.... nejnovější grafická karta na světě...
mrfuck792 7 months ago
try the following youtube video : _9S8DvimBdo
this may interest you to see what a poor 8bit system (Amlstrad CPC in 320x200x4 mode) could do too.
macdeath69 7 months ago
Think I remember doing this once whilst playing about with Win 95...Found it still had an EGA driver on the list (...or was it the Win 3.1 one, which it somehow still supported after I copied it across?). Set it up, with my PCI 3D graphics card ... it worked! Then soon got bored and switched back.
(Also there were enough monitor-tweak apps that could do anything from 160x100 thru 640x350 and out the other side - in truecolour!)
Impressed by the speed though - even VGA-16 usually crawls, on PCI!
TahreyUK 8 months ago
Is this EGA 640x350x16/64 or the infamous 320x200x16/16 ?
the 320x200 EGA was limited to CGA's palette only... while the 640x350 had actually access to the 64 colours palette (16 per screen, but possinble raster colour changes or Demo like tricks...) and could perform neat ditherings....
Ideal solution would be a re-coded video to manage some palette colour changes so you may not be limited to the desktop's palette.
Also the video should run in fullscreen/or with only a black border.
macdeath69 10 months ago
@macdeath69 It was 640x350, but Windows only could use it as 16 colors.
hakemon 10 months ago
@hakemon
Of course, EGA is a 16 colour mode max...
You have to use some Hardware tricks.. probably in assembly langage... in order to get more than 16 colours on screen...
So you would have to write your own web browser or Flash reader... in order to get it manage EGA properly (with rasters colour changes/interrupts per exemple)
macdeath69 10 months ago
@macdeath69 It'd be a cool hack, to be sure... but a bit pointless. Especially with the poor resolution.
I think I saw a demo once that claimed to give 720x700 resolution or something similarly silly and all 64 colours at once on full-RAM cards, by hacking registers, palette switching and updating bang on the VBlank so as not to need a buffer. Can't see that playing nice with decoding video! But the patterns it drew did look pretty, even on our 2Mb SVGA card.
TahreyUK 8 months ago
@macdeath69 Also I remember Encarta 94 (93? 95?) on an old 386SX at school, with an external SCSI caddy-load 1x speed CDROM, VGA and no sound card. Multimedia genesis .... it had videos. Which would play in ugly-as-sin poorly-dithered 16 colour mode at postage stamp size, or slightly less ugly poorly-dithered 256 colour 320x200 mode full screen!
Maybe that'd be the kind of thing to aim for? But with a better dithering algorithm, so it doesn't end up even making butterflies look awful?
TahreyUK 8 months ago
3rd rock!!! :D
TroutButter 1 year ago
lol WOW - I always wanted to try that with mine on an old box I used to have - never would have thought it would have actually worked on EGA though... I remember when EGA was "the shizzle"
hisbeatnik 1 year ago
such color distortion.
SamuraiClinton 1 year ago
It looks like your computer is on LSD
1990chrism 1 year ago
I'm surprised it can push pixels that quickly. Would've thought it would have been very slow. Still neat stuff :)
richardbirch2007 1 year ago
MPLAYER has an EGA output option... XD
hnemify 1 year ago 2
this is nice looking
Acadianiste 1 year ago
ega on win95? how did u made that? i had never become Win 3.11 or above run with ega.
in 1991 (+/- 1) I bought new vga card + screen because I wanted Win 3.11
michaelboett173 2 years ago
he took EGA driver from win 3.x :) it works on win9x too :) as you can see
dushanostoich 2 years ago
and u told me that in 2010........buuuhhh.... what about all the oldscoll programs that "need" 3.11 or more. are they "fake" me? Did they only need 3.11 or more with ega drivers? I spend so many money in that card and of corse the monitor :( windows sucks. :) I don't like bill(s).....
michaelboett173 2 years ago
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michaelboett173 2 years ago
what do you mean? :P
dushanostoich 2 years ago
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@michaelboett173
sorry 4 my bad english:
corse = course
monitor = screen
michaelboett173 2 years ago
I'd expect that you'd only be able to see 1/4th of the actual image, or is the EGA/VGA distinction limited to the display driving method?
MODE, DRIVE-SIGNAL
EGA = digital, 2 bits per component
VGA= Analog, 64 or 256 gradations per component.
SkyCharger001 2 years ago
I believe it's limited to driving method and VRAM..
as you point out, EGA isn't an analog signal, it's TTL digital.
hakemon 2 years ago
@SkyCharger001 Why would that make 3/4 of the image disappear? All I'd personally expect to happen is that you get 130 less lines of vertical resolution (350 vs 480) and maybe a slightly different 16-colour palette than the regular Windows VGA-16 one...
BTW VGA proper is 64 gradations per component. True colour is a post-SVGA (VESA?) addition. Even highcolour only had 32 or 32/64/32 gradations. The connection standard, however, is analogue, so it could theoretically handle INFINITE colour depth
TahreyUK 8 months ago
I seen this done under linux and Mplayer it looked better I guess windows must not under stand how to use the 64 color pallet it looks like it's using one of the CGA modes.
Membrane556 2 years ago
That's because he uses the Windows 3.1 drivers, W95 does not properly use EGA because it is officially designed for VGA min.
Linux, on the other hand, can be adopted nicely on almost any hardware.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
NYS Lotto uses Linux in a lottery machine at our store. It has to be restarted daily.
Minionuup 2 years ago
cool! I want to try this too but I have only CGA video and it hase driver only for win 3.x can not run on 9.x . and it is no chanse to run you tube videon on windows 3.1 :P becvause it supports only flash 2 and you tube require 7 or above :P sorry for my bad english !
dushanostoich 2 years ago
cool
deejaykike 2 years ago
Hmmmmm. I wonder what Tron looks like on there.
FrosChannel 3 years ago
that's ridiculous! i've actually been considering trying my hercules clone card on a P3 board i have sitting around. been thinking about that for a while.. problem would be finding a windows NT/95/98/XP/whatever driver that actually knows wtf hercules is. a custom driver would probably have to be written.
kingcrimson234 3 years ago
Wow, good frame rate though. I'd have been exited to have this back when I had my 386 with an EGA card and CGA monitor. Colors were the same, but I couldn't use the hi-res EGA modes.
Maxxarcade 3 years ago
With proper dithering down to 64 colors, the image would be a lot better. As-is, I doesn't look like it's displaying any more than 16 colors in the video. In fact, I doubt Windows even understands the 64-color EGA pallette. By its rules, everything is always either 16 colors or 256 colors, with no choices in-between.
vwestlife 3 years ago
Doesn't EGA only allow 16 at a time, out of a palette of 64?
Dithering is probably done by the player or something, but I don't think it expects 16 colors.
hakemon 3 years ago
Yes, that's true, but even dithered 16 colors should look better than what you got. Properly dithered 16-color video looks like mostly grayscale with a few highlights of color here and there.
You should also try EGA monochrome mode, if your monitor will support it. It uses the same video signal spec as MDA and Hercules, but displays EGA-compatible 640x350 monochrome graphics. I think if you dig deep enough, you can find a Windows 95/98 driver for VGA/MCGA monochrome, as well.
vwestlife 3 years ago
It's there. Load the standard VGA driver, not your normal driver, and it gives you 16-colors or 1-bit monochrome.
hakemon 3 years ago
It probably could. The CPU does the decoding, not the video card.
hakemon 3 years ago
Can you do FLI with EGA?
Jumpseri 3 years ago