Q/A: Polygamy in Islamic and non-Islamic countries

[szuberi]

Polygamy is only allowed by the Quran for the sake of orphans and widows. This verse is in surah Nissa so any interpretation has to be in favor of women. Verse 4:2 clearly talks of orpahn rights and lays down the context. 4:127 and 4:129 also are relevant to read.

[serappia]

fucking poligamy shouldn't be allowed under any

condition, period.

[james48890743]

Are you guys saying the infidel western law is better then your gods? What does he mean other faiths? It is Islam that allows this. Moreover, isn't it funny how Muhammad had more then 4 wives isn't the good Muslim the one that follows the Quran so does this make him a bad Muslim? Lastly, is that a family even? With 4 wives what kind of family is that?

[MrGrandDragon]

A good Muslim is a Muslim who can practise justice and equality amongst his wife's. A bad Muslim is a Muslim man who can not maintain the conditions required of him. Therefore the Good Muslim is either a Muslim who abstains from polygamy if he fears injustice on their behalf or a Muslim who is need of polygamy and can maintain the conditions required of him.

Mohammed was granted permission to have more wives to assist him in his purpose. It provides stability and peace with multiple tribes.

[bittercottoncandy]

@MrGrandDragon "Mohammed was granted permission to have more wives to assist him in his purpose" bwhahaha he was a horny dog and an hypocrite!

[ammarhabib2000]

Check out the posted link on top,

Polygamy as mentioned, is something we are allowed to do as a mercy but not as a requirement.

[james48890743]

Well this is not what the Quran says it says take 2 or 3 or 4 but if you do not have the means only take 1 so having one comes last in the list and it would be for the weak Muslim according to the Quran. Also isn't it you Muslims who claim Muhammad the pedophile, warlord, slave trader, sex slave trader and illusionist man is the best example for all mankind and he had 13 wives. Then isn't it funny how the best example is the one who goes against the Quran?

[ammarhabib2000]

My friend, this is my Prophet please learn to show even those who you disagree with a degree of respect. If you have come here just to belittle and look at our faith through this subjective angle then you're on your own. However if you are hear to learn and perhaps discuss through intellect than you are more than welcome and as a muslim it is my obligation to entertain that. So please refine the way you speak to me and give to me the respect that I have as a right.

[james48890743]

First off can you call me "my friend" according to 3:29 you can not say you like all Muslims are the number one people who have no idea about their religion. Secondly, if belittling someones faith is wrong then throw the Qu'ran in the garbage because the Qu'ran calls me a Kaffir, a Blasphemer, a pig and ape and a liar. Then you said I need to respect you as a right do you as a Muslim agree with respecting the Christians? Then you just rejected Muhammad because he teaches no respect or rights.

[james48890743]

Sahih Muslim 866. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: "The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said, Do not initiate the salaam "the Jews and the Christians before they greet you; and when you meet any one of them on the road, force him to go to the narrowest part of it." Look at the wonderful respect of Islam below this verse it talks about humiliating and subjugating the Christians.

[ammarhabib2000]

I'm sorry can you please be more specific with the reference you have listed and the point that is trying to be made. In Islam, we are told to be tolerant by not even Abuse the idols of a different faith. We are allowed to marry within the people of the book and are not allowed to tear down their places of worship but rather engage in dialogue. Also a side not The Prophet even married a Chrisitan. If you study, many of the wives he married was to bring tribes closer and establish peace.

[ammarhabib2000]

Also I agree, there are some sketchy hadith within our faith, hey that's history sometimes things may get added or changed. Please read the faith with objectively and look how many Hadith there are there that tell people to instill in them good Morals and Ethics. How we should be a positive catalyst for change in society. Also if I'm not getting ahead of myself, but do you follow a religous text? Maybe we can discuss that?

[james48890743]

No this is all a bunch of lies 8:12 and 9:29 abrogated all the peace of Islam in fact when Islam has the chance to offer peace (when they have the upper hand the Quran says don't make peace when you have the chance to 47:35. Also the wives Muhammad took a lot of them were captured sex slaves he had that he stole from villages he raid and pillaged as 4:24 teaches. And what is the benefit of a women marrying a Muslim WOMEN LOSE ALL THEIR RIGHTS IN ISLAM!!

[james48890743]

So stop giving me speeches and lies and back up what you say with proofs and references!!

[MuTaziliTajdid]

Of course he's an example but some things are exclusive to him,

Of course he's the ideal example , there's nothing in the Muhammad(saw)'s life that the Biblical Moses(as) didn't approve of or do himself.

That's what makes him a more complete messenger, he had both Divine Philosophy and Divine Law

As for whatever else you say, if the Bible can approve of Moses actions, then everything Muhammad(saw) was perfectly in line with God

[james48890743]

Not true at all Moses freed people from slavery Muhammad took on slaves so this is a big fat lie!

[MuTaziliTajdid]

Then how do you explain The Book of Numbers, Chapter 31 in the Bible?

Have you read this?

I can't post all of it here, so I'll send you a Private Message ...of the chapter.

Take a look for yourself

[james48890743]

First of all are you saying the Bible the book of Allah has problems in it? If so who does Allah's books have problems? Secondly, if you read Numbers 25 it answers why they did what they did in Numbers 31 I bet you like all Muslims you have never read the book of Numbers.

[MuTaziliTajdid]

well firstly I don't think the current Bible is from God, bUT YOU do. So that's YOUR standard for measuring who's a Prophet.

So Moses used to take slaves, he killed women who had known men, so that means he killed pregnant women. And he attacked others since Moses attacked the Midianites not the other way around.

So according to the Bible , Muhammadsaw) actually did nothing a Prophet wouldn't do, in fact he was more just.

Because unlike the Bible's Moses

He never killed pregnant women

[MuTaziliTajdid]

Ok this is what Numbers 25 says

"And Israel at that time abode in Settim, and the people committed fornication with the daughters of Moab, 2 Who called them to their sacrifices. And they ate of them, and adored their gods. 3 And Israel was initiated to Beelphegor: upon which the Lord being angry"

So Moses killed the Midianites because the Israelites started to follow their religion?

How is that any different than what Muhammad(saw) did?

[MuTaziliTajdid]

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

Book of Numbers 31:12

what's your explanation for this?

[james48890743]

And? What do you want them to do? Let these war criminals slave traders, murderers, these people did baby sacrifices, they raped animals they killed the weak they were filthy like Muhammad so what do you want Moses to do let them just go free to do these things to others! They were evil! They sold an entire race into slavery!

[james48890743]

But of course you as a Muslim have no problem with slavery because your god and your book and your prophet approved of it 100% not only that but in the heaven of the pimp god Allah there is sex slaves and slave boys and if you need the proof and references I dare you I challenge you to call me a liar and in a second I will give it for you!

[MuTaziliTajdid]

I don't know if you realize this but the Biblical Deity has no problem with slavery

did you ignore my verse? The Verse states that Moses TOOK Slaves

So what did Muhammad(saw) do that isn't compatible with the Biblical Standards? Nothing, in fact he did better; he never specifically targeted women, he never targeted pregnant women, he ONLY used the sword to those who committed treason or went against an Oath

And the people he took captive were only people who were trying to harm Muslims

[james48890743]

First of all Dummy the one true living Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible set his children free from slavery in Egypt and 1 Timothy 1:10 says slave traders are among the ungodly and unholy people so just shut up because you have no idea what your talking about. All Moses did was practice an eye for an eye on his enemies but he had to set them free on the 7th year and give them a day of rest. It is not slavery as they did unto him even.

[MuTaziliTajdid]

James, explain to me one thing; since you accuse Muhammad(saw) as doing things that is impossible for a Prophet of ndoing

Why did Biblical Moses take 32,000 virgin girls capitive

what was the Prophetic reason for that?

Don't change the subject or hurl childish remarks, JUst argue with logic

If you agree that Moses is a Prophet, then what do you think his reasoning was for taking 32,000 virgin girls captive?

[james48890743]

Dummy the virgins whom Moses took were the ones who didn't take place in the sexual immorality of those who worshiped Baal so they were spared from death! Moreover, these were not sex slaves as 4:24 of the Qu'ran allows you to do. Stop trying to change the subject to the Bible you coward and answer me. Also are you saying there is problems in the Torat the book of Allah!! If so why did your god allow for this because I can show you the same stories but worse in the Qu'ran.

[MuTaziliTajdid]

Firstly, you speak of sexual immorality; the Bible doesnt say that it says Women who KNEW men, not sexually immoral

This would include women who had morally acceptable sex, women who were pregnant and otherwise.

So the Bible encourages the murder of innocent women

also why does the verse about the Virgin captives say "keep them for yourselves"

if they're not sex slaves, then why would they be kept? "But the girls, and all the women that are virgins save for yourselves: "(Numbers 31:18)

[MuTaziliTajdid]

Also to correct your assumption; you're right we Muslims do believe in the Torah and the Injeel; but we dont believe that the versions that you have is legit

So in my belief I'm not questioning the Torah, I'm questioning the Christian Standard of Debate.

Everything you're arguing against Muhammad(saw) is based on your beliefs in the Bible Correct? Well then THAT standard comes up for debate; because if you use that as a standard

Muhammad(saw) did nothing wrong at all, in fact he did BETTER

[james48890743]

Okay so get me the legit Torah and the Injeel of Allah so we can discuss it!

[MuTaziliTajdid]

testing testing testing

[MuTaziliTajdid]

What war criminals? According to the Bible the Israelites attack the Midianites, not the other way around. It says nothing about them doing baby sacrifices, BUT if Baby sacrifices was why The Bible claims the Midianites were attacked, then why did they kill Pregnant women when they attacked them? Makes no sense.

Isnt killing women who are pregnant killing the weak?

and yet the Bible says that MOSES killed women who "knew men" .....which means many of them were pregnant

You hold double standard

[james48890743]

Dummy ignorant this is why I said read chapter 25 of Numbers it explains why read verse 1 and then go to Leviticus 18 and you see what was a part of Baal worship and it's sexual immorality it was sex with family, sacrificing children on the alter and having sex with animals not only that but the Midianites killed the weak women and children and took them as slaves as Israel was coming out of Egypt! He didn't just order them to raid and kill people as Muhammad did.

[james48890743]

Dummy don't you believe in the flood of Noah? Meaning Allah killed pregnant women as well but God did not order them in the Bible to kill women who were bearing children!! You are a great liar!

[MuTaziliTajdid]

We're not talking about what "Allah" does, God is the giver of life and death.

We're talking about what the Bible describes the Prophets as doing.

How can you accept Moses was a Prophet based on the Bibles standards, when the Bible claims that he was responsible for killing pregnant women and keeping 32000 virgins as captives

and yet condemn Muhammad(saw)?

Why you hold such a double standard?

[MuTaziliTajdid]

We're talking about what Moses the Prophet did according to the Bible

You accept him as a Prophet right? Yes I'm sure you do if you believe in the Bible

but according to the Bible Moses ordered the slaying of pregnant women ...and sexual slavery of 32000 virgin girls

why is that acceptable to you and then you're whining about Muhammad(saw)?

[MuTaziliTajdid]

Read this passaage from Numbers 31 "17 Therefore kill all that are of the male sex, even of the children: and put to death the women, that have carnally known men. 18 But the girls, and all the women that are virgins save for yourselves: "(Numbers 31:17-18)

who is commanding that Small Boys and Pregnant women is should be slain?

[james48890743]

Hypocrite!! MUHAMMAD IS!! he couldn't even follow his own book he brought.

[james48890743]

LOL Islam allows Muslims to lie in 3 cases to friends, family and in time of war but you ask yourself what is left? So they can lie on the contract and even the Quran itself says Allah will not hold it against you for the thoughtlessness of your oaths 2:225.

[MrGrandDragon]

You are ignorantly referring to the term Taqiyya.

The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury."

A one-word translation would be "dissimulation."

To lie in this circumstance is only protect your life. No one is forcing you to lie. lol

[MrGrandDragon]

In fact Taqiyya is only found amongst Shia

[james48890743]

LOOOOOOLLL your prophet did Taqiyya!!!