White House Condie Rice-Robert Gates comments Armenian lies

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[Maanchild]

These US dogs are whores.. They are on the ARmenian side, they admit that they are dependet on Turkey if they were not they with support this great armenian lie.

[Breakdown916]

I see no denial, just cowardnes from the US government.

[cutsiebomb7]

i agree with u.

[ataturk2k]

some call it realism, knowing that the Armenians arm twisting is getting out of hand on an issue of treachery, where millions died for Armenian expansion under Russian orders...

[gardiyan81]

I seriously dont understand this guy. I called his nation idiot, he agreed. I called his poliicians idiot, he agreed. I called his nation prostitutes, he agreed and then he is sayin that his nation is the best! yea its best at everything I just said. have some dignity for your country and stop talking.

[ataturk2k]

Gardiyan, he is not American. He is Armenian. Armenians in the US or any country, are Armenians FIRST.

[gardiyan81]

Ataturk2k, bro. I dont give a flyin fuck who he is or where he is from. I fuck him up anyway. ignorant is ignorant mate they all same american, armenian or any other shitty country. u know what really bothers me, these cocksucker gays think that they know my country better than me. guys watchin TV, reading papers n sittin on your fat asses is not the way of learning about a country.

[thunderizyelloe]

well your obviously to oblivious to maturely handle such conversations. But when you make remarks like "I f*ck him up anyway", then it doesnt suprise me. As I said, back your big mouth up, if your going to disrespect me lie that do it in front of my face, not behind a computer screen. That way I can knock you out, not because your Turkish or whatever (you could be Armenian and it still wouldnt matter), so I would shut my ass up if I were you.

[thunderizyelloe]

and thank God for that. But when I meet people, I like to get to know them - with an attitude like that I would have many people who think Im ignorant. Instead I stand before the world with many Turkish, Kurdish, Persian, Mexican, etc. friends. But thats a way to prove how ignorant you are, its ok though maybe someday you'll realize that life is not about Armenian vs. Turkish - 'cause around the world, mostly, things are changing - dont get caught up in it though, or it will hurt.

[gardiyan81]

by the way, the french historian I was talkin about is on the other page. first read my comments then reply. if you have no ability to read properly then you should call some people to help you out.

[gardiyan81]

read what the French historian said, THERE IS NO PROOF, but you idiot is saying that armenians opened their archieves and proved!!! dude, I have proved my claims and lets see what u got!! lets see an americans intelligence, I am also claimin that americans are idiots, they dont know shit. prove me wrong...

[thunderizyelloe]

which french historian, there is so much proof your situation is sad. you have online reasources PBS and BBC (yes its english) have both released videos, en length on the Armenian Genocide. You havent prooved anything, you have just typed some things and credited no one - ive given you the sources, go educate yourself, youve give me nothing.

[gardiyan81]

dude, if you want, i have more:) since you asked for evidence then check it and see for yourself. I thought you wouldnt believe if i only give you Turkish comments so I also took comments from British, American and French historians. I am sure these well-known historians are all wrong but you and your Churchill " i still dont know what he said n i dont give a fuck" are right.

[gardiyan81]

PROF. STANFORD SHAW (Bilkent University)

Prof. Stanford J. Shaw

[gardiyan81]

the historian who challenged the Armenian claims of genocide at the hands of the late Ottomans and provided evidence of Turkey's aiding and fostering Jews during WWII, died on Saturday at the age of 76. Shaw was a professor of Turkish history at Bilkent University in Ankara and at UCLA as well as the founder of the International Journal of Middle East Studies, published by the Cambridge University Press for the Middle East Studies Association.

[gardiyan81]

HRANT DINK (Turkish Armenian journalist)

Hrant Dink, was strictly against the Armenian bill in the French parliament. Dink had protested the bill and said "I will go to France and say that there is no genocide to protest the bill".

[gardiyan81]

PROF. NORMAN STONE (British historian of modern Europe, especially Central and Eastern Europe, served at the University of Oxford)

Diaspora Armenians claim that 'historians' accept the genocide case. There is some preposterous organization called 'association of genocide scholars' which does indeed endorse the Diaspora line, but who are they and what qualifications do they have?

[gardiyan81]

Knowing about Rwanda or Bosnia or even Auschwitz does not qualify them to discuss Anatolia in 1915, and the Ottoman specialists are by no means convinced of the 'genocide'. There is in fact an 'A' team of distinguished historians who do not accept the Diaspora line at all.

[gardiyan81]

In France, Gilles Veinstein, historian of Salonica and a formidable scholar, reviewed the evidence in a famous article of 1993 in L'Histoire.

[gardiyan81]

The fact is that there is no proof of 'genocide', in the sense that no document ever appeared, indicating that the Armenians were to be exterminated. There is forged evidence. (To read the continuation: htp //ww turkishweekly net/ comments php?id=2326)

[gardiyan81]

The fact is that there is no proof of 'genocide', in the sense that no document ever appeared, indicating that the Armenians were to be exterminated. There is forged evidence.

[gardiyan81]

first your "brave" leaders said that they were going to accept the so-called genocide then Turks said well if you do that then we wont let u use our land and air space and also our relations wont be same and your then you girls changed your ideas and now also saying that u support us killing pkk terrorists!!! dude, your nation is like a prostitude, you girls are sleeping with whoever gives you the beat.

[thunderizyelloe]

very true, what can I say, our president is making some very bad desicions. I can guarentee you I would not make the same mistakes. But you cannot phisically hurt us, you can only slow us down... so dont talk all macho and say "you know where we are". because i can assure you, Turkey sure knows where the hell America is.

[gardiyan81]

yea we all know where america is, in a dumpster. dude, go on youtube and write stupid americans or similiar things and u will see many videos and also write stupid Turks and let me know if anything comes up.

[thunderizyelloe]

so youve strayed away from what we started talking about, and now you want to talk about countries being "stupid". and for proof you want youtube videos. How old are you, maybe I shouldnt be wasting my time here. And for the record, and for the last time, I AGREE WITH YOU WE ARE STUPID AT THE MOMENT. did you get that, because its about the fifth time Ive repeated that fact.

[gardiyan81]

dude, if you know that you are stupid then what the fuck u talking about. shut up.

[gardiyan81]

your historians say that it doesnt exist, british historians say that it doesnt exist, there is no well-known historian say that it exist but your fuckin media and some politicians say it exists!!! you people are just hopeless. I feel really sorry for you. so take those comments from the well-known historians, go home and shove it up n see if that fits. come on, at least i gave you that, what your historians say, please post them

[gardiyan81]

yea am pretty sure your "intelligence" is far beyond me. hey idiot you are the one who is claiming something so you need to back up your claims with evidence, how can I show evidence against your claims if your claims are unrealistic!!! what an idiot! I live in both UK and Turkey and I didnt see any evidence on tv or in papers showing that Turks did attempt genocide but you know everything.

[thunderizyelloe]

Well since you wont find anything to do with the Armenian Genocide in Turkey, I suggest you go to the UK and look up what the great leader Churchill has said about the Armenian Genocide. There have been many books published by scholars, all leading to one truth... some were even british. book your tickets, but make sure you leave the books there cause you might run into trouble in Turkey with those "forbiden" books

[gardiyan81]

wow mate, you must be dealin with CIA and other secrets shits too

[gardiyan81]

we now just saying one thing, america just watch your step cause u may not be able get out of Iraq n americans please o please stop makin comments about the things u dont know. stop bein stuck ups, if you dont know then shut your mouth.

[thunderizyelloe]

America can do whatever it want, whenever it wants, however it wants... im sorry thats just the reality of being one fo the strongest nations of the world. Are we abusing that position? Yes, I belive my leader has - i go against his actions, but im powerless until election time. You have no power to threaten us, hate it or love it thats the reality. I dont like it because I see my president abusing his nations power, he doenst know that it will not last.

[gardiyan81]

no power to threaen u!!! dude, i dont need to thread you cause you are one of the most stupid nationality on this planet, you are a thread to all other nations cause we "normal people" having problems with understanding your behaviours. americans and fish live together mate. your leader is a retarted asshole, thats what he is, inarticulated dumfuck. seriously dude where the hell did u guys find that idiot from?

[gardiyan81]

America is being defensive!!! hahahaha dude, what did saddam do to you from 15.000 miles away? you intelligence has no fuckin intelligence, they say that saddam had mass destruction weapons they they said no they didnt have, then said yea they had and now saying they didnt have!!! and bush on tv keep saying I will do whatever it takes to protect americans!!!

[thunderizyelloe]

WHAT DID SADAM DO TO US? YOU IGNORANT ASS IDIOT, NOTHING TO US, BUT HE WAS AS BAD AND EVIL BLOODED AS HITlER or JEMAL, ENVER, and TALAT PASHA. HE COMMITED GENOCIDE HIMSELF - IF I WAS PRESIDENT I WOULD NOT GO TO IRAQ, BUT I WOULD KILL THAT DEVL WITH MY OWN HANDS. My intelligence exceeds far beyond what you will ever know, becasue people who do not recognize the Armenian Genocide are selfish and blind - and that my friend are very poor characteristics.

[ataturk2k]

So your intelligence has taught you that what happened was a genocide? So 3.5 million Turks were victims of Genocide right? Have Armenians ever acknowledged anything besides a one-sided hatemongering approach? I guess you only see one color and totally are blind to the Turkish deaths caused by armed Armenian militias that pillaged, destroyed and killed millions of Turks.

[ataturk2k]

Turks have not made issue because of the good Armenians in Turkiye may be disenchanted if it was taught as history. My opinion was the Turkish government did a disservice by not educating the Turks of the atrocities of the Armenians...

[thunderizyelloe]

where are you bringing this bullshit from? It is published facts that Armenians were heavily taxed in the late 1800s till 1915, then Turks de-armed Armenians (so we could not fight back) and started the Genocide which would claim over 1.5 million Armenians.

[thunderizyelloe]

So the Armenians killed 3.5 million Turks? With the guns that Turkey stole from them? or they bought the new guns from the money that was taxed from them? Since all the able bodied men were killed, it was probably the women and children who killed 3.5 million Turks one by one on thier death march... theres the one color, its called truth - i need not know anything else.

[ataturk2k]

I suppose it was these dead soldiers that carried your mythological genocide.

[gardiyan81]

yea am pretty sure your "intelligence" is far beyond me. hey idiot you are the one who is claiming something so you need to back up your claims with evidence, how can I show evidence against your claims if your claims are unrealistic!!! what an idiot! I live in both UK and Turkey and I didnt see any evidence on tv or in papers showing that Turks did attempt genocide but you know everything. wow mate, you must be dealin with CIA and other secrets shits too

[gardiyan81]

what a lie! and that nobody saw anything in the archieves can be related to genocide. america is just bein an asshole as usual n tryin to stir up trouble

[thunderizyelloe]

back up your "theories" with evidence. we can all sit here and talk mess. fact is out of the 180 documents both countries were supposed to cough up, only 100 made it out from both sides. No information was disclosed publicly, since the deal was not completed, but it was after that when France passed their Genocide Bill... what does that tell you about anything? American politics is full of as poisonous snakes as those from the Ottoman Empire as long as they don't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

[gardiyan81]

Those people in Turkey you talkin about are the servant of USA, cause usa pays to them. u trying to show how much u know about Turks,ok then, tell me.

[gardiyan81]

have you ever been to Turkey? if yes then how long and where? how many Turks have you met in your life and talked about this? (face to face), where are u originally from and whats your occupation? be honest with your answers and i will tell you what u really know about Turks.

[thunderizyelloe]

Muhammed fought when he was attacked, he did not instigate it - unlike the Young Turks of the Ottoman Empire and (something usually forgotten) the massacre of Armenians in the 1890s by Abdul Hammid II. Many Turks in Turkey dont deny this, but are forbidden to speak due to Article 301.

[gardiyan81]

many people dont deny this!!!!! yea like couple of thousands, the rest is saying that it didnt happen. Turkish government opened its archieves, why didnt u people come and take a look? when the armanians dont wanna open their archieves? u should really read things about the Ottoman Empire, how they ruled the others! 50 million out of 70 in Turkey say americans are the worst terrorists, so whould u say yes?

[thunderizyelloe]

I would not say yes. I dont say no either. America has power, and it is being defensive. It has gone too far, and what we hav done is not justified by me. Many people in Turkey don't deny the genocide buddy, they wont express it though. And no, you should educate yourself Armenia and Turkey both opened thier archives 100 documents, then neither carried on. try to speak out of intelligence, not ignorance.

[gardiyan81]

hahaahah intelligence, this is coming from someone who is nationality is known as one most most ignorance people on this planet. I really love when an american make a comment about other nationalities, really. you just sit at home and watch tv and come up to and insist on stuff and then talk about intelligence, we can see ur president mate, thats a very intelligent guy and u chose him that means u soo intelligent too. fish and people can live together, right!

[gardiyan81]

Thanks Turkishdelightt, i will add them too, so now how many millions? damn, i cant count after zirillion:) and these fuckin idiots are telling me that they help others!!!I just wanna say one thing to the americans who support bush, GO FUCK YOURSELVES...

[thunderizyelloe]

saying that and fighting is wrong. There were mass killings of Christians (mainly Armenians) thought the 19th-20th century. A crime against humanity, Turkey must pay somehow. If they dont then another Hitler will rise, another Talat Pasha will rise and kill...

[gardiyan81]

Crime against humanity????? dude, let me ask you this, what the fuck you guys are doin in Iraq and Afqanistan? JUST in Iraq you have killed 1.3 m muslim so this is not a massacare? and Turkey will not pay shit,ok, as we always say if anybody have the balls to make us pay then you know where we are mate.

[thunderizyelloe]

Yes I know where you are, half your land was taken from my people. And even though I know where you are, what difference does it make, I am not a terrorisst I will not bomb you. Bush might, probably not... Bush is very wrong to have started war in Iraq, but I never said I support the war.

[thunderizyelloe]

But we did not take evrything they have, then take all thier weapons, then seperate them from thier families, and kill thier able bodied men, and march off the weak to die, meanwhile raping the women, etc. Also What were the Ottomans incentive - Armenians are not Turkish they deserve to die. War needs to stop(never shoud have started), and the Genocide needs to be recognized.

[theysayyouwanta]

can't find Turkey? Maybe they don't care..they have better things to do???

BTW, I'm American....and I know where Turkey is....ahem..I just looked it up. Now I'm as smart as you...

[lezginkaO7]

"What have the Turks ever contributed to culture, to art, or to any aspect of human progress that you can think of? They are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands they misgovern, rotting every fiber of life. They have ruled over most of the countries which are the candle of civilization..."

-David Lloyd George-Prime Minister of Great Britain (1916-22), in his book "Through Terror to Triumph" (1915)

[ataturk2k]

Interesting you quote a Turk hater married to a Greek. A man partly responsible for 500,000 british(mostly colonized non-britains) forceably sent to war to invade a nation that did nothing to England and opened it's doors to persecuted Europeans for 6 centuries. Pathetic post, it's like quoting Hitler.

[nigzesx]

The university of yerevan awarded ahmedinejad an honorary doctorate.

ps.HE'S HOLOCAUST DENIER LOL,do you see the infinite irony in this.Here we have a desperate diaspora pulling all the stunts they can to slaunder and villify the Turks at every oppurtunity they get,And what do they do?

They praise the man who organised a holocaust denial conference.LMTurkishAO,you sanctimonious scheming low lifes

[gucluatinc]

This was not a genocide, some people is trying to get some more land from Turkey because of this. One thing they forget it, we happen to be the NATO's second largest army after US and Armania needs our borders for global trade...

[ataturk2k]

AATECHNOLOGY on his youtube page mentions:

"Look at all the hate the Turks show towards Armenians, Greeks, Kurds and Christians, just read my comments left on my channel . . ."

And is so stup to leave this comment. Greeks suffer sever dementia. They killed and and pillaged for centuries, but are still bitter after the Turks didn't persecute or force Turkic culture on them. Here's a good Greek word for you. HYPOCRACY

[boraturk4life]

Turk's are real...they got what was coming to them, and they can still get some

[rocknraffi]

IS RICE A MALE OR FEMALE? BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL RICE IS SO UGLY SHE MUST OF HAD A TURKISH SOMETHING RAPE HER AND SHE ENJOYED IT LIKE A MONKEY THAT SHE IS. I CAN'T WAIT FOR HER TO BE IN HELL SATIN IS WAITING FOR SOME FUN. RICE IS A POLITICIAN WHICH = THEY ARE ARE ALL LIERS. PEOPLE LIKE cCcginblah blah blah who gives a shit about your views stop making up names and deleting them you fuckin dumbturk.

[CadVentor]

morons !!!you gonna feel it, and feel it very deeeeep!!!

[cCcGinoCazinocCc]

Rice for President

[Stantzs]

when an army starts killing an entire civilization it is not a regrettable killing. It 's fucking genocide.

[bgturk]

Oh yeah? How about when your army kills civilians? That's not genocide?

[bgturk]

And if Turks killed the "entire civilization" of Armenians, who the fuck are the millions of Armenians in the USA? I guess they are extraterrestials. Armenians were not killed, they were DEPORTED, because they were terrorizing Ottoman citizens and were fighting on the side of the invading Russians.

[Stantzs]

I don't care how you justify it , the turks were evil bastards , theres a reason everyone hated them and turned against them. And yeah, The U.S. army has a long and shameful history of murdering peoples who get in the way of their short term goals. We totally obliterated all of the algonquin tribes, and then most of every other tribe, and now we've killed about a million arabs for our war on terror.

See, the difference is that we admit it. We fucked up, we fucked up bad.

Were sorry.

[bgturk]

Turkey will not recognize for genocide something that was never called that then, and for the 30 years that immediately followed it. Now all of a sudden they relalize it was a genocide. Armenians are trying to project the false image that they were the only ones that were dying then. Not at all, they killed then as they are killing today and ethnically cleansing the Azeri Turkish territory that they are illegally occupying today in contravention to UN resolutions.

[bgturk]

There are 100 thousand Armenians in Turkey today, many of them illegal immigrants. And there is not one single fucking breathing Turk on their land, why do you think that is?

[Stantzs]

On the armenian side, because they fucking despise Turks , for obvious reasons. No one gave a damn about genocide until after world war 2 , because no one really had any idea it existed. Even now, I doubt more than one in ten Americans can even find Turkey on a map.

None of this matters however, your still wrong. Turkey before 1955 was a backwards and fucked up place. This is very well documented.

You are a defending a nation that makes speech a capital crime. You lose. I feel pity for you.

[gardiyan81]

if you know that you fucked up then shut the fuck up and you better watch who u callin "evil bastard" you fuckin moron. if we wanted to kill all those cocksuckers then we would have just done so. and you havent just killed a million of arabs, you have killed 1.3 JUST in Iraq SO FAR.

[Stantzs]

yeah, thats right, and were fucking good at it. Keep that in mind.

[gardiyan81]

ooooooo am so scared!!! i will keep in mind that u americans are the worst terrorist there ever been. you fuckin ignorant shits.

[ataturk2k]

"evil bastards"? Since when is defending your homeland considered evil shithead. Learn how to talk. Turks are fearless so leave your shit talk to other civilizations you look down upon. I like to see your comments after the Puerto Ricans, Blacks and Mexicans demand their own territory and go off killing innocent Americans. Then it'll be interesting to see how you label it. umm, maybe call them "evil bastards". Would your military attacks or relocation plans be considered GENOCIDE?. Let's see