@jettrink60 A majority of original states saw it differently in 1861. Voluntary only applies to one group comprising a minority?
Actually, the Constitution does not specifically grant or deny the right of secession. Therefore, it does not deny the right of the American people to oppose it...which the overwhelming majority, chose to do.
@DerrikRose1991 Were talking about the USA. NOT Germany. It's an established, well-known, and documented fact: The Civil War killed more Americans than all of our other wars COMBINED.
@UnionStatesHeritage it says "the deadliest war, america has ever fought". so u never fought in world war !, II, korea or vietnam? or are casualties of other countries not counting for you?
@DerrikRose1991 What is so hard to understand about this? Yes, the US fought in those wars, but the casualty figures were higher for the Civil War, than any of the others. So, it was the deadliest war we fought.
@UnionStatesHeritage Hmm . . . not than all other wars combined. The military and civilian dead of the Revolution (our real civil war; the War of 1861-1865 would better be called the War between the States) may have reached a half million (out of a total population of a million and a half, making it the bloodiest American war by proportion of inhabitants killed); add the two World Wars and the Vietnamese War, and the total exceeds the death toll for the war of 1861-1865.
Another American film. Another American manipulation of the facts. Another American lie. But when it comes to a book on the bombing of Dresden and the American complicity in war crimes, America bans the book because it refuses to deal with the real truth. America = hypocracy.
@GoodGodManGrowAPair LOL...NO it isn't. You can't occupy your own country. There was no reason to sign a peace treaty. The Confederacy was an unlawful rebellion. Not a sovereign foreign nation. The American people were under no obligation to sign a treaty, as they were simply taking back THEIR territory, and asserting THEIR lawfully-elected sovereign government. The Slaver's Rebellion was defeated...sunrise/sunset.
YEP...I WILL fight to defeat a rebellion against the United States of America
And who will fight with you? Blacks who want the country for themselves, with both of us gone? Mexican who want the same? Look at the monocultural nations those people come from. None friendly to other races or cultures. Face it, buddy. While you sit here foolishly arguing about events from 160+ years ago, our nation is already lost. We're now a minority, ensuring little or no political power or protection in the future. At some point, you're reconsider secession.
@stewartx5 Hmmm...not all Blacks or Hispanics share that world view. BUT, lets get real. The deadliest enemy this nation has ever faced is not Fascist/Socialist Dictators, Imperial Kaisers, or Radical Muslims. Nope...White Southrons have killed more Americans than any other enemy we've faced. AND...today they're still bragging about how many of us they've killed, and after 160 yrs, still threatening to do it again.
Your responses are getting longer and longer, now spanning several comments each. I don't have time to respond to so much, nor are we ever going to agree (typical between North & South), so I'll let that go with what's already said. As for your claim that Southerners killed so many, you're whitewashing the North's responsibility for that war. Had the North treated it's fellow Americans in the South better, there likely wouldn't have been any secession or war.
@stewartx5 I've never been a fan of sound bites, although I realize that Confederate revisionists are dependent upon them, and don't much care for in-depth discussion.
Your last sentence is hilarious, and I can hear the gypsy violins playing in the background...The Civil War was the result of how the South had been treating the rest of the nation...most recent in a long line of abuses... the use of Federal power to try and force a slave constitution on the citizens of KS.
Your right in what your saying. In fact it was he north that sold the slaves to the southern people. This whole thing was about the the treatment of the northern Feds of the south and the heavy taxation put upon the southern people. And Sherman should have been tried as a war crimminal. He was a butcher, a terrorists. He targeted un armed civilvians. And the unions soldiers kidnapped and gang raped the southern women, burned down homes, crops, killed our live stocks.
thats an out righ lie, and northern propaganda. What about Sherman the terrorits and butcher and how he targeted civilians, and the union soldiers rapes southern women, burned down our homes , killed our lives stocks.. Sherman and his union thugs should be charge as war crimminals. Sherman is famous for his cold brutality. And the war was not a legal war.
@littletiger2020 Nope, not a lie. Everything I've stated is a matter of record. Sherman destroyed property, livestock, and anything that could be used by the CSA to wage war. His men foraged off the land...all of which was completely acceptable under the rules of warfare. Rape was not condoned by the Union Army, or any other major army at the time. Rape was used as a cover by the Confederates to justify murdering Union POWs.
@UnionStatesHeritage ...it had the support by the overwhelming majority of Americans at the time, and was prosecuted by the constitutionally elected President, who went to war after ASKING the individual states and territories, for their participation.
No major power even recognized the Confederate regime.
Respond to this video... Who knows, maybe at some point it will be necessary for the real America (North/Midwest & West) to separate itself from the South. Frankly, I've come around to the notion. We will still be the United States of America, and we will have lost nothing in the process.
@GoodGodManGrowAPair You wanna support this culture...get a group of your Neo-Confederate girl friends together, pick up a rifle and start attacking US citizens, military personnel, the local Post Office, or what not. See how far that gets you. I promise ya...for every scumbag traitor like yourself, there will be ten or twenty who defend the Stars & Stripes. You people obviously didn't learn the lesson, the first time around.
@UnionStatesHeritage Spare me the latest conspiracy theory. I've heard 'em all. Remember the North American Union, which was imminently going to lead to Civil War?
There's plenty of guns in this country, and the government will NEVER be able to get Americans to give them up. No Ms. Little, the sky is not falling.
No, I'm not going to hot ass Florida to waste my time with you. Not worth the trouble. If however, you'd like to drive up to SC, I'll be happy to oblige, AND I'll pay your gas.
Suggest you remove the tinfoil hat. You can't illegally occupy your own country. The South belongs to the people of the United States of America. The overwhelming majority of us, supported the Union in 1861, and will do so today, if called upon. Southrons represent a hostile MINORITY subculture living in the USA. Really, this culture is nothing but the same thing for stupid white trash, that Aztlan is for stupid Hispanics.
All of which means absolutely nuttin. Once again...if you don't like the USA, make us of our free society and emigrate elsewhere...or...start another armed rebellion, so we can finish the job we started back in 1861, and have done with the nonsense. Personally, I prefer the latter.
@GoodGodManGrowAPair Yawn...MY masters?...I'm a Reagan Conservative. Obamasan is not my Prez.
But...lets get real here. Southern conservatives owned the Federal Government from 2001-2008. They started the mess, and anyone who dissented was called a "RINO", or a "Liberal".
Remember The Patriot Act bubba?...That was ALL y'all.
The South ran the nation into Civil War, during the Antebellum Period, and ran it into the ground, post Reagan. Good Job.
@UnionStatesHeritage Oh yeah, and while we're at it...thanks largely to Southern conservatives and their favoring of free trade, over the past twenty years, we now have the economic system favored by the old slavocracy (the people this film celebrates). Enjoy your cheap imported goods, slave wage service industry jobs, and dependence on foreign-held debt.
Does he betray his country or his heart? Wow... sounds very unbiased! I guess they never read the Declaration of Independence where it clearly states what they confederates did was right. "The Last Confederate"??? Im surprise it wasn't Morgan Freeman or some shit.
Looks like the best movie ever made. I can't understand why it went straight to DVD. Looks better than full metal jacket. In fact I'd go so far as to say this looks like the greatest war film of all time.
@bluegrassreb Lee did own slaves. They are mentioned in his will filed in Rockbridge (located away from his wife, so she wouldn't know about his concubine that he kept for companionship in Texas).
@bluegrassreb Lee owned slaves, aside from those of his father in law whose executor he was. Lee filed his will in Rockbridge county, and the slaves are named. He filed his will in a different county from that in which his wife and family lived to keep his concubine (with whom he lived in Texas) secret.
@DonMeaker South of the mason dixon line IS Southern. and northerners did cross that line and invaded SOUTHERNERS on SOUTHERN GROUND. iT WAS NOT THE US AT THAT TIME . fOR PARTS OF 5 YEARS IT WAS ANOTHER NATION, JUST LIKE THE 13 COLONIES WERE THERI OWN COUNTRY! The differance is that the 13 got to keep theirs.
@bluegrassreb South of the Mason Dixon line is US territory. Secession by state action was and is not valid. There is one exception to principle that rebellion is treason: if you win. The southern rebels didn't meet that standard, in part because of 40 regiments of southern men who fought bravely for the US government against the traitors. Lee recognized this when he applied for federal pardon.
@DonMeaker so ur point is? the lesser of the 2 communities has to obey the larger by force and yet should still consider us united? If you mean united at gunpoint, sure. We r all US then.
and the 40 regiments you mention werent nothin but an after thought until the war was over and they all showed up saying, "we was on your side, Traitors to the South. Heros to the north. Of course if VA had not secceded then Lee would be another yankee hero EVEN though he owned slaves. like so many yanks did
@bluegrassreb The point is, the rebellion was illegal, as well as wrong. Because it was illegal, they had trouble getting people to support them. So they lost, but consoled themselves with fiction about their bravery. The 40 regiments were crucial to Sherman's ability to outmaneuver the southern forces to and through Atlanta, providing his headquarters security.
@DonMeaker So was that of the colonies in the first place and if it were not for France, Holland and Spain lining up against us the USA would never have won.
Talk of treason is misplaced when under the constitution and the common law that the Law of the USA is based on that which is not forbidden is permitted. Leaving the Union was not forbidden by the constitution and does and did not require a majority; furthermore many sates acceding to the Union did so on the proviso that they could leave
@balderdashandpiffle Actually talk of treason is completely appropriate. Treason is the crime of adhering to and giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US. The so called confederacy became enemies of the US when they fired on US soldiers performing their duty. Leaving the US may be possible, but that does not mean that all terms are valid, nor that the terms by which South Carolina were automatically valid.
You obviously need a lesson in simple logic. Treason is defined as a crime undermining one's OWN government. Since the Southern states had legally seceded, Confederate soldiers were not fighting THEIR government. Hence, no treason. Those Union soldiers at Fort Sumter, on the other hand, were engaged in an illegal military occupation of the territory of another country. The Confederate states had every right to remove those soldiers.
@stewartx5 You need a lesson in law. Disputes between the states or between the US and any state are to be resolved by legal action, with the supreme court as original jurisdiction. Since the rebels didn't have a case, they didn't even file. Texas v. White ruled that the pretended secession was not legal. thus US people fighting against the US would be treason. Only the kindness and mercy of victorious US prevented treason trials. ft Sumter was US territory, being built on rocks from NY and MA.
You just don't want to get it, do you? There is no requirement for resolution in the courts, not that resolution was possible (or even desired) anyway. And, of course, once the states seceded, the U.S. courts had no further jurisdiction. As for the legality of that secession, it was done by the same process as the secession of the colonies (forming the United States) from England. Thus, if the South's secession was illegal, so was that of the colonies from England.
@stewartx5 The process by which we left England was successful war with a treaty with the home country to follow. The south didn't meet that standard. That is an extra-legal process. The states did not secede, and could not unilaterally do so. They could, by successful court case, by amendment, or perhaps by federal legislation. None of the legal processes were even attempted by the rebels. They failed at their extra-legal process attempt.
Those laws forbid states, not a separate country, from forming treaties and similar. And many of us have certainly not forgotten anything, including events dating all the way back to just after the Revolutionary War (southerners arrested and charged with treason for siding with England, etc) which eventually led up to the Civil War.
@stewartx5 Yeah exactly....meaning they are states not sovereign nations, who can act in whatever way they please, without the consent of the rest of the nation. States are bound by the laws of the Constitution, not the other way round.
It's funny, many Southerners haven't forgotten, because they never were allowed to know in the first place. After Reconstruction 'heritage' organizations like the SCV and UDC made sure that the only viewpoint Southerners were exposed to was Confederate...
Respond to this video... Many people in the South never heard of Southern Unionists, let alone the extent of opposition to the Confederate cause, before and during the war. That's why towns that never even existed until after the war, have prominent Confederate memorials in the town square...carefully placed there by the Daughters during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Thankfully, that monoview is starting to change.
@stewartx5 LOL...you keep ignoring the fact that the CSA wasn't recognized as a nation, by any country that mattered at the time, SO, what you've got is the suppression of a rebellion.
@bluegrassreb Actually, among the 40 regiments were those who Sherman kept close to his headquarters, as they were his best fighters. Not an after thought at all. Rather, the southern rebels made war to preserve the institution of slavery, the US government put down that illegal rebellion to preserve the union that had not been dissolved, and could not be dissolved by a minority
@DonMeaker ur a rebel if you lose. A revolutionary if you win! might does NOT make right. it just means you get to bully everyone around, even your 'so called' brothers from a region south of yours. or nations that have oil, or nations that dont support your style of government, or ... the list goes on and on.
@bluegrassreb No, rebellion makes one a traitor, until you win, or you gain clemency by servile supplication. Lee filed for pardon, and a clerk correctly filed it in the back of a drawer, so he died a traitor. Fighting against traitors is a high honor, and many southern men gained high honor by fighting against the rebels for the United States.
@DonMeaker Not entirely. You are speaking in terms of recognition but not in terms of perspective. Even if the rebellion succeeds, to those who lost they will always be considered traitors. Conversely if a rebellion is crushed, those who lost will continue to believe in the justness of that cause. One man's honor for his country was another man's treason to his state or heritage. There were no clearly defined lines as you might imply with simplistic citation of postwar protocol.
@eayrs Not true. Many who lost in the war of the great rebellion realized the error and nullity of their cause. There was much sympathy for the US revolution in England because many understood that parlimentary representation was not possible for a land across the ocean, and that even parlimentary representation in Britain was grossly unfair (rotten boroughs, one seat, that of a city that sank into the sea, had noone who could vote for it!)
@DonMeaker and others did not want pardons. Some moved to South America. A few others either became the equivalent to domestic terrorists or bandits. And a small few killed themselves. Even after defeat, those who had chosen not to fight for the losing side were seen as pariahs in some communities. To continue with the U.S. revolution analogy, there was also a great amount of loyalism in PA, MD, and the South. Much of the argument in the Continental Congress was that it was New England's war.
@eayrs Lee applied for a pardon. He did not get it during his life. Many of the Iroquois, who committed what we would today call war crimes during the Revolutionary War, went to Canada during and after the revolution. Washington didn't think it was New England's war. Neither did Herkimer, Franklin, Jefferson, or Francis Marion. Of course Benedict Arnold got a Brigadier General commission from the British.
god bless my heritage: Cpt Carey F Grimes, Portsmouth light Artillery, CSA, KIA Sharpsburg 17 Sep 1862, his brother G.W.Grimes Lt. 17th north carolina , CSA, and Cpt John Allen Lovett, CSN, served aboard the CSS Partrick Henry after resigning his commission in the USNavy.
My ancestors fought for their land, their rights, their families, their honor and the great glorious state of Virginia.
Darth, I beg to differ, yes your stat is correct concerning battlefield casulties. But dying is dying, whether it was from battle or disease. So 620,000 (2% of the population) men were casulties of the war. More than any other conflict in AMERICAN HISTORY COMBINED> That makes it the deadliest war in US History
My statistic on the Great War came from a lecture on the subject. My statistic on the Civil War...I can't remember which book or documentary gave me that piece of information to be honest lol. I've been studying the Civil War as a hobby for the better part of two years so I sometimes forget where certain pieces of information come from...It may have been an interview with Shelby Foote...or Ken Burn's The Civil War...or the Civil War Illustrated (Geoffrey C Ward)...sorry lol.
Taking only American casualties into consideration, including Confederates, the American Civil War was worse than both World Wars, Korea & Vietnam combined. It sounds insane, I know, but do the research & add up the figures.
Not only that, but throughout the entire Vietnam war, the United States suffered approximately 51 000 casualties, during the three day Battle of Gettysburg, the combined American casualties were approximately 52 000. Of course, that is if you count Confederate casualties as American, which people generally due.
Deadliest War...? 0:21-0:25. The odds of being killed in battle during the Civil War was 1 in 65, the odds of being killed in battle during the Great War was 1 in 11. The Civil War was horrifying but it was not the deadliest war America has ever participated in.
spartanwarrior1, secession is not only legal, it's the right of any free People to govern themselves. If secession was "illegal", you'd still be paying taxes to the British.
Secession is not illegal. Any sovereign state can join or leave any alliance they choose. We fought for our Independence and won. Of course the Brits wouldn't hand it over. They saw it as rebellion. We did not. History is written by the victors. Why do you think the North didn't let the South just leave? Same reason the British didn't want us to leave - the lost income they'd have to come up with. Only this time, the wrong side won. Secession IS legal contrary to what Northern history books say.
no it isn't. the only legal justification for secession being illegal is Texas v. White which was a supreme court decision from 1869.
Giant difference between being a royal colony with a royal charter and committing a willful act of rebellion from resigning from a compact entered into as an equal partner.
We would be paying taxes to Britain, if we didn't win. We won. We won again the second time (1812). England gave it up as a bad job after that. End of story.
secession is illegal? is that why the us supported the secession of the soviet union and the secession of kosovo? We also support the secession of Georgia too and Mother Russia took a play from abe lincoln and beat their ass.
this is also why the supreme court never tried jeff davis for treason. didn't dare want to potentially lose in the court room what had been won on the field. the south didn't raise an army until lincoln threatened to invade them. That act alone pushed nc, va, tenn and ark into the confederacy and caused the war.
but you are a west point robot. go kill some arab kids for george bush.
Actually J. Davis called for troops in March, and lincoln didn't take office until later, and only called for troops in April. Even then JD called for 100,000 men, AL called for 75,000 men.
'rather wade in blood than submit' Amen. commentator sed 'choose his heart or country'. Carolina was his country. until lincolns Invasion West Point soldiers were sworn to protect Their STATE not the u.s. This changed after the War began. 'I love the union...but I Love Virginia more'. R E Lee. Secession was Legal & even ol abe himself as late as 1858 had said any state that want to leave the union has the right to do so. kinda went back on that one. He needed the High Tarrifs comin from DXE
Crap. West Point soldiers served in the US government army. Secession was not legal, which is why all knew that the attempt meant war. Tarrifs mostly came from the northern states. Expenses mostly went to benefit Southern states. The North put up with Southern crap for years. I guess we didn't put down enough of the rebel scum after they were defeated.
Of the 300 major battles of the Civil War, 5 were commanded on one side by West Point graduates. The other 295 were commanded on both sides by West Point Graduates.
I don't give my fellow alumni a pass if they were to fall into treasonous error.
@coldh2ocarp by the grace of god did i run into this comment man! i feel the exact same way! I love the south and i love that im an american now!but im a virginian first! Robert E Lee set precidents that state comes first!
The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
Neither of you is going to convince the other. Both sides were equaly guilty of crimes against slaves. Northern troops were notorious for abusing blacks, which is why Northern regiments were segregated. Unlike southern units. Honorable and evil men served on both sides. But that was for them to judge. Who the hell do you think you are? Sitting behind your lowly computer casting judgement on greater men. The fighter stands in the ring, with sweat & blood, while cowards hurl insults from the side.
The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
Santa Fe Campaign...South invaded New Mexico, and Colorado for the purpose of seizing those territories' mineral wealth. In other words MONEY. Funny how the citizens in those territories, didn't see the grey coats as 'liberators'.
Waahhh...the po po Southern aristos, who enjoyed an unaparreled level of wealth and privelage, despite all of that unfair taxation. My heart just bleeds.
Southern elite fought to preserve their economic system...in other words, their MONEY.
Again, were talking numbers. Southern blacks overwhelmingly fought for the Union, and assisted the Union army, during the war.
I wonder how those black Confederates felt about their service after the war?
Southerners expressed their thanks in the form of a noose, and a torch.
Unfortunately, Northerners stabbed blacks in the back as well. We were so concerned with reconcilition, we chose to overlook the CSA's atrocities during the war, and the reign of terror, during Reconstruction.
hard to imagine anyone talking about southern atrocities when the Union was doing stuff that the Germans, not known for their squeamishness, would not do until the second world war. The US govt gave orders to DEPOPULATE counties in missouri.
And the south murdered Union soldiers because of the color of their skin, and sold others into slavery. A shameful regression to the ancient world by those Southern Gentlemen.
And there were Free Black Slave Owners and Black Confederate Troops as well, Long before the North. But the Blacks Confederates didn't fare well in Northern Prison Camps either as many were killed, but then they weren't great places either, just not as terrible as Andersonville!
But then there are many sources to find this information.
Over 1 third of Union forces were black at the end of the war. Over 1/3 of Revolutionary war forces were black. Confederate forces routinely committed war crimes against captured US colored troops. Black confederates recommended by Lee, but were disavowed by the Confederate government. He didn't know why they were fighting if blacks were to be armed and given there freedom. Long after all the principals were dead, many black confederate soldiers were discovered by deluded southern partisans.
@DonMeaker You fucking dilluted liar ! People like you think you know it all, but the problem is you idiots make it up as you go along or you read a piece of shit book by a Liberal Northerner that has no facts, but is written to fill their greedy pockets, then dummies like you spread crap around.
"Black Confederate loyalty was pervasive and real. American historians failed to recognize this loyalty.By 1861 Southern blacks who supported and allied themselves with the Confederacy were looking to volunteer[22]. Despite the Confederate government's refusal to admit blacks in the army, six Southern states did so otherwise, mostly consisting of state militias. Eyewitness accounts by officers in Federal army offer some evidence of African American participation on battlefields for the South"..
Well now, I've seen a great deal of Southern etiquette and manners, right here on You-tube. Funny that...when you contrast pro-Union channels with CSA channels, you get an accurate picture as to which culture is more polite, and mannerly. Which culture is the one that views itself to be superior, and which culture is more violent and aggressive.
It's Southrons who fail to understand.
You don't get it.
After 200yrs you never have, and I doubt you ever will.
LOL...It's the Southrons who are still fighting the war. It's called 'defending our heritage'. Southrons are kind of like Hezbollah. They use a culture of victimhood, as a weapon of aggression. "We struck a first blow in self defense". 'We had to shoot negroes, to defend ourselves from the galling tyranny of Reconstruction'...etc...ad nauseum.
It's called a culture war. Keyboards are just the weapon of the day.
all you had to say was, yea, i guess it is true blacks WANTED to fight for the south..even when they had the option after the war to go north or do w e,they choose to stay..again not many southerns were rich enough to own slaves so it wasnt really much about that,mostly economy..so I feel it is my duty to inform you..RELAX! THE WAR IS OVER! there will always be pride on both sides of the mason dixon line and your dumb yankee ass cant change that so calm down and take the black cock outa ur ass..
Not many Germans were interested in shoving a Jew, in a death camp. Doesn't change the fact, that the regime they fought for, had other ideas.
"African slavery is the cornerstone of the INDUSTRIAL, political, and social fabric of the South. What ever wars against it, wars against her very existence"...Lawrence M. Keit, SC congressman.
LOL...Check the figures luv. Roughly 94,000 CSA COMBAT deaths, as opposed to 110,000 Union COMBAT deaths. 16,000 more is hardly anything to crow about, especially in light of the fact, that most of the fighting was on CSA soil.
Spare me the 'we just want to be understood and respected' defense. You forget, I've lived in Dixie long enough to speak your lingo. Translation..."We want your respect, but reserve the right to continue bashing you, and attacking your own heritage".
o believe you me, the south cashed plenty of checks, the south took a lot more of yankees, than yall did of us, and i can say us, cause i am direct descendant of a macon county guard, co. b., most southerners have respect toward yankees, its called right raising, or southern etiquette, we just don't like it when you yankees think your better, and talk down, cause we may talk different(by the way i love our accents),you will never understand, so i am wasting my time with you
wolfencrow, is a yankee transplant , you have to just remember he is from pa. so all the true southerners, will have to look over him, "he wasn't raised right" most pennsylvanians are great people, a lot fly the confederate flag up there, he is down here in s.c. with our good manners, and great folks, i bet he don't say too much when he is out, cause you know how them rebels are, they would stuff a crow in his wolf mouth!
i knew you were a yankee, if you don't like it here carry your ass back to pa. cause we don't give a shit how yall did it up north, apparentely, you must like s.c.. your ass is here, the real reason we lost the war was we ran out of bullets before the north ran out of sumbitches!!!!!!
believe it or not a good deal of blacks fought on the confederate side on their own will and when the civil war ended some still stayed with their masters cause they wanted to, and for those who didnt know..allot of northerners had slaves as well, including the general grant himself..he didnt give up his slaves until the end of the war...explain that before you start knocking the south
What's a good deal? 185,000 Southern blacks fought for the Union. Funny thing about that...If so many blacks fought side by side with their white brothers, against 'Northern Aggression', why did the CSA officially sanction the execution of Black Union soldiers, and their white officers?
Why did groups like the Redshirts perpetrate so many atrocities against blacks during Reconstruction?
Again...how many is alot. All twelve 'indentured servants' that existed in the state of New Jersey?
South had four MILLION souls living under the lash, at the time of the CW.
How do you explain the underground railroad?
How do you explain the riots in Northern cities over Fugitive Slave Laws, which permitted armed Southrons to cross into Northern territory, catch runaways, and FORCE Northern peace officers to assist in the recovery of human property?
When Rober E. Lee occupied my Commonwealth, his army rounded up our black citizens, declared them contraband, and marched them South, to be sold into slavery. Our white citizens risked death, and property destruction, if they resisted, or tried to hide blacks. Some people were forced at bayonet point, to assist the gray coats. Even so, people defied the Southron army, and saved as many as possible.
Explain that before you start defending the Southron nation.
Robert Adams suffers in eternal damnation, enjoying the company of Adolph Hitler, Jeffery Dalmer, and Saddam Hussein! Adams was not a honorable man but a vile scoundrel who sold babies for profit and raped 12-year old slave children. I relish that this evil coward rots in hell as just punishment. Legend says that at Stone Mountain you can hear the howl of Confederates soldiers as they are buggered by Lucifer each night! The tyranny & wickedness of evil men was rebuked by God via fire!
i mean...this war is OVER???? friggin 140 years ago..cmon guys. get over it. sit back and enjoy the trailer. who cares? North won, south lost, but were still crew and friends. only the rednecks really care.
I,m probably gonna get shit over this but most of the "confederate" vids are posted by people with an I.Q. of less than 1 collectively. They make it much harder to be passionate about the South. I just don't like to think that some of my ancestors fought for what they believed to be right and it was basically for nothing and people now view them as villains. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I know I started these communications like a jackass and I apologize for that. (cont.)
No need to apologize...I'm not exactly diplomatic, when playing the role of mongoose, on CSA channels.
Not many Northerners I was raised around, (especially those with Civil War ancestry) view the average Confederate soldier, as villains, or the South as 'villainous'. By contrast, Union state's soldiers are still demonized in the South, as is the 'North' in general.
Bottom line - we agree to disagree. This would be a far more fun conversation over some cold beers. We are both proud Americans and if I saw someone from outside of our country try to harm you I would try to F them up. By the way, try to give South Carolina a chance it is a beautiful place. Go check out some of the ladies around Hilton Head - you wont be disappointed.
wolfencrow,I've not seen the movie,if the back-shooting was during a battle and not an execution,your statment is BS,both sides did this.Hate vids?The north was just as bad if not worse.'heritage' bull-crap?Our foot is way ahead of yours,you ingnorance speaks volumes,No I don't need your respect and a Southern man don't need you around anyhow.
PM me if you care to expand,theres not enough room here.
QUALCUNO SA PER CASO SE CE' UNA VERSIONE ITALIANA O ALMENO CON I SOTTOTITOLI IN ITALIANO? GRAZIE.
someone know if there is an italian version or , at least, a version with italian subtitles ? thanks a lot. luigi
CUASRM 2 months ago
@jettrink60 A majority of original states saw it differently in 1861. Voluntary only applies to one group comprising a minority?
Actually, the Constitution does not specifically grant or deny the right of secession. Therefore, it does not deny the right of the American people to oppose it...which the overwhelming majority, chose to do.
UnionStatesHeritage 5 months ago
civil war is the deadliest war america has ever fought???
looks like someone skipped WW2
DerrikRose1991 5 months ago
@DerrikRose1991 Looks like you need to review the casualty figures.
UnionStatesHeritage 5 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage civil war had 630.000 casualties top on both sides without civilists.
germany by itself had 5,5 million dead SOLDIERS. not even counting civilians or other nations
u check stats
DerrikRose1991 5 months ago
@DerrikRose1991 Were talking about the USA. NOT Germany. It's an established, well-known, and documented fact: The Civil War killed more Americans than all of our other wars COMBINED.
UnionStatesHeritage 5 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage it says "the deadliest war, america has ever fought". so u never fought in world war !, II, korea or vietnam? or are casualties of other countries not counting for you?
DerrikRose1991 5 months ago
@DerrikRose1991 What is so hard to understand about this? Yes, the US fought in those wars, but the casualty figures were higher for the Civil War, than any of the others. So, it was the deadliest war we fought.
UnionStatesHeritage 5 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage WHAT???
630.000 in the civil war are slightly less than 25.000.000
DerrikRose1991 5 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage Hmm . . . not than all other wars combined. The military and civilian dead of the Revolution (our real civil war; the War of 1861-1865 would better be called the War between the States) may have reached a half million (out of a total population of a million and a half, making it the bloodiest American war by proportion of inhabitants killed); add the two World Wars and the Vietnamese War, and the total exceeds the death toll for the war of 1861-1865.
Rowarst 3 months ago
Another American film. Another American manipulation of the facts. Another American lie. But when it comes to a book on the bombing of Dresden and the American complicity in war crimes, America bans the book because it refuses to deal with the real truth. America = hypocracy.
AntipodeanStar 6 months ago
@GoodGodManGrowAPair Nope, you won't get the chance to see me first.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@GoodGodManGrowAPair LOL...NO it isn't. You can't occupy your own country. There was no reason to sign a peace treaty. The Confederacy was an unlawful rebellion. Not a sovereign foreign nation. The American people were under no obligation to sign a treaty, as they were simply taking back THEIR territory, and asserting THEIR lawfully-elected sovereign government. The Slaver's Rebellion was defeated...sunrise/sunset.
YEP...I WILL fight to defeat a rebellion against the United States of America
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage ...and I will do so proudly, against any enemy...foreign OR domestic.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage
And who will fight with you? Blacks who want the country for themselves, with both of us gone? Mexican who want the same? Look at the monocultural nations those people come from. None friendly to other races or cultures. Face it, buddy. While you sit here foolishly arguing about events from 160+ years ago, our nation is already lost. We're now a minority, ensuring little or no political power or protection in the future. At some point, you're reconsider secession.
stewartx5 6 months ago
@stewartx5 Hmmm...not all Blacks or Hispanics share that world view. BUT, lets get real. The deadliest enemy this nation has ever faced is not Fascist/Socialist Dictators, Imperial Kaisers, or Radical Muslims. Nope...White Southrons have killed more Americans than any other enemy we've faced. AND...today they're still bragging about how many of us they've killed, and after 160 yrs, still threatening to do it again.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage
Your responses are getting longer and longer, now spanning several comments each. I don't have time to respond to so much, nor are we ever going to agree (typical between North & South), so I'll let that go with what's already said. As for your claim that Southerners killed so many, you're whitewashing the North's responsibility for that war. Had the North treated it's fellow Americans in the South better, there likely wouldn't have been any secession or war.
stewartx5 6 months ago 2
@stewartx5 I've never been a fan of sound bites, although I realize that Confederate revisionists are dependent upon them, and don't much care for in-depth discussion.
Your last sentence is hilarious, and I can hear the gypsy violins playing in the background...The Civil War was the result of how the South had been treating the rest of the nation...most recent in a long line of abuses... the use of Federal power to try and force a slave constitution on the citizens of KS.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@stewartx5
Your right in what your saying. In fact it was he north that sold the slaves to the southern people. This whole thing was about the the treatment of the northern Feds of the south and the heavy taxation put upon the southern people. And Sherman should have been tried as a war crimminal. He was a butcher, a terrorists. He targeted un armed civilvians. And the unions soldiers kidnapped and gang raped the southern women, burned down homes, crops, killed our live stocks.
littletiger2020 5 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage
thats an out righ lie, and northern propaganda. What about Sherman the terrorits and butcher and how he targeted civilians, and the union soldiers rapes southern women, burned down our homes , killed our lives stocks.. Sherman and his union thugs should be charge as war crimminals. Sherman is famous for his cold brutality. And the war was not a legal war.
littletiger2020 5 months ago
@littletiger2020 Nope, not a lie. Everything I've stated is a matter of record. Sherman destroyed property, livestock, and anything that could be used by the CSA to wage war. His men foraged off the land...all of which was completely acceptable under the rules of warfare. Rape was not condoned by the Union Army, or any other major army at the time. Rape was used as a cover by the Confederates to justify murdering Union POWs.
The war was completely legal, and justified.
UnionStatesHeritage 5 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage ...it had the support by the overwhelming majority of Americans at the time, and was prosecuted by the constitutionally elected President, who went to war after ASKING the individual states and territories, for their participation.
No major power even recognized the Confederate regime.
UnionStatesHeritage 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Who knows, maybe at some point it will be necessary for the real America (North/Midwest & West) to separate itself from the South. Frankly, I've come around to the notion. We will still be the United States of America, and we will have lost nothing in the process.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@GoodGodManGrowAPair You wanna support this culture...get a group of your Neo-Confederate girl friends together, pick up a rifle and start attacking US citizens, military personnel, the local Post Office, or what not. See how far that gets you. I promise ya...for every scumbag traitor like yourself, there will be ten or twenty who defend the Stars & Stripes. You people obviously didn't learn the lesson, the first time around.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage Spare me the latest conspiracy theory. I've heard 'em all. Remember the North American Union, which was imminently going to lead to Civil War?
There's plenty of guns in this country, and the government will NEVER be able to get Americans to give them up. No Ms. Little, the sky is not falling.
No, I'm not going to hot ass Florida to waste my time with you. Not worth the trouble. If however, you'd like to drive up to SC, I'll be happy to oblige, AND I'll pay your gas.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@GoodGodManGrowAPair
Suggest you remove the tinfoil hat. You can't illegally occupy your own country. The South belongs to the people of the United States of America. The overwhelming majority of us, supported the Union in 1861, and will do so today, if called upon. Southrons represent a hostile MINORITY subculture living in the USA. Really, this culture is nothing but the same thing for stupid white trash, that Aztlan is for stupid Hispanics.
Don't like the Union...get the fuck out.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@GoodGodManGrowAPair
All of which means absolutely nuttin. Once again...if you don't like the USA, make us of our free society and emigrate elsewhere...or...start another armed rebellion, so we can finish the job we started back in 1861, and have done with the nonsense. Personally, I prefer the latter.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@GoodGodManGrowAPair Yawn...MY masters?...I'm a Reagan Conservative. Obamasan is not my Prez.
But...lets get real here. Southern conservatives owned the Federal Government from 2001-2008. They started the mess, and anyone who dissented was called a "RINO", or a "Liberal".
Remember The Patriot Act bubba?...That was ALL y'all.
The South ran the nation into Civil War, during the Antebellum Period, and ran it into the ground, post Reagan. Good Job.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage Oh yeah, and while we're at it...thanks largely to Southern conservatives and their favoring of free trade, over the past twenty years, we now have the economic system favored by the old slavocracy (the people this film celebrates). Enjoy your cheap imported goods, slave wage service industry jobs, and dependence on foreign-held debt.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
Hey. SSnakes... There were 2 Jews in the Confederate Cabinet. And a Catholic, non-slave owner. Just so you know...
screen2157 8 months ago
Yankee means to be a jewish servant and nigger feeder.
ssnakessnake2 10 months ago
Does he betray his country or his heart? Wow... sounds very unbiased! I guess they never read the Declaration of Independence where it clearly states what they confederates did was right. "The Last Confederate"??? Im surprise it wasn't Morgan Freeman or some shit.
tylerpharaoh1989 11 months ago
No woman is worth sacrificing a man's honor.
rjc071 1 year ago
@rjc071 So you agree that Pemberson, in particular should not have joined the rebels, despite the henpecking from his wife.
DonMeaker 7 months ago
Damn....for that women, I'd say I'd have to go with the pussy!
LambadLambadLambda 1 year ago
Looks like the best movie ever made. I can't understand why it went straight to DVD. Looks better than full metal jacket. In fact I'd go so far as to say this looks like the greatest war film of all time.
sophisticsolice 1 year ago
@sophisticsolice Too bad it glorifies scum bag traitors and domestic terrorists.
UnionStatesHeritage 7 months ago
yeh what rubbish of an ahole slaveholder
forty8r 1 year ago
@forty8r never owned any slaves. what are u talking about? Learn some history, not what the pc people tell you. please.
bluegrassreb 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb listen ahole I have read my history you worthless moron.
forty8r 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb Lee did own slaves. They are mentioned in his will filed in Rockbridge (located away from his wife, so she wouldn't know about his concubine that he kept for companionship in Texas).
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb Lee owned slaves, aside from those of his father in law whose executor he was. Lee filed his will in Rockbridge county, and the slaves are named. He filed his will in a different county from that in which his wife and family lived to keep his concubine (with whom he lived in Texas) secret.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
KILL EVERY YANKEE THAT CROSSED SOUTHERN SOIL
bluegrassreb 1 year ago 2
@bluegrassreb There is no southern soil. It is all the USA.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker South of the mason dixon line IS Southern. and northerners did cross that line and invaded SOUTHERNERS on SOUTHERN GROUND. iT WAS NOT THE US AT THAT TIME . fOR PARTS OF 5 YEARS IT WAS ANOTHER NATION, JUST LIKE THE 13 COLONIES WERE THERI OWN COUNTRY! The differance is that the 13 got to keep theirs.
bluegrassreb 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb South of the Mason Dixon line is US territory. Secession by state action was and is not valid. There is one exception to principle that rebellion is treason: if you win. The southern rebels didn't meet that standard, in part because of 40 regiments of southern men who fought bravely for the US government against the traitors. Lee recognized this when he applied for federal pardon.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker so ur point is? the lesser of the 2 communities has to obey the larger by force and yet should still consider us united? If you mean united at gunpoint, sure. We r all US then.
and the 40 regiments you mention werent nothin but an after thought until the war was over and they all showed up saying, "we was on your side, Traitors to the South. Heros to the north. Of course if VA had not secceded then Lee would be another yankee hero EVEN though he owned slaves. like so many yanks did
bluegrassreb 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb The point is, the rebellion was illegal, as well as wrong. Because it was illegal, they had trouble getting people to support them. So they lost, but consoled themselves with fiction about their bravery. The 40 regiments were crucial to Sherman's ability to outmaneuver the southern forces to and through Atlanta, providing his headquarters security.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker So was that of the colonies in the first place and if it were not for France, Holland and Spain lining up against us the USA would never have won.
Talk of treason is misplaced when under the constitution and the common law that the Law of the USA is based on that which is not forbidden is permitted. Leaving the Union was not forbidden by the constitution and does and did not require a majority; furthermore many sates acceding to the Union did so on the proviso that they could leave
balderdashandpiffle 1 year ago
@balderdashandpiffle Actually talk of treason is completely appropriate. Treason is the crime of adhering to and giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US. The so called confederacy became enemies of the US when they fired on US soldiers performing their duty. Leaving the US may be possible, but that does not mean that all terms are valid, nor that the terms by which South Carolina were automatically valid.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker
You obviously need a lesson in simple logic. Treason is defined as a crime undermining one's OWN government. Since the Southern states had legally seceded, Confederate soldiers were not fighting THEIR government. Hence, no treason. Those Union soldiers at Fort Sumter, on the other hand, were engaged in an illegal military occupation of the territory of another country. The Confederate states had every right to remove those soldiers.
stewartx5 7 months ago
@stewartx5 You need a lesson in law. Disputes between the states or between the US and any state are to be resolved by legal action, with the supreme court as original jurisdiction. Since the rebels didn't have a case, they didn't even file. Texas v. White ruled that the pretended secession was not legal. thus US people fighting against the US would be treason. Only the kindness and mercy of victorious US prevented treason trials. ft Sumter was US territory, being built on rocks from NY and MA.
DonMeaker 7 months ago
@DonMeaker
You just don't want to get it, do you? There is no requirement for resolution in the courts, not that resolution was possible (or even desired) anyway. And, of course, once the states seceded, the U.S. courts had no further jurisdiction. As for the legality of that secession, it was done by the same process as the secession of the colonies (forming the United States) from England. Thus, if the South's secession was illegal, so was that of the colonies from England.
stewartx5 7 months ago
@stewartx5 The process by which we left England was successful war with a treaty with the home country to follow. The south didn't meet that standard. That is an extra-legal process. The states did not secede, and could not unilaterally do so. They could, by successful court case, by amendment, or perhaps by federal legislation. None of the legal processes were even attempted by the rebels. They failed at their extra-legal process attempt.
DonMeaker 7 months ago
@stewartx5 The US Constitution forbids states acting like foreign nations including...forming alliances with each other, or foreign nations.
You Rebs keep forgetting the golden rule of rebellion...it's only legal if you win. The Colonies won. The CSA did not.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage
Those laws forbid states, not a separate country, from forming treaties and similar. And many of us have certainly not forgotten anything, including events dating all the way back to just after the Revolutionary War (southerners arrested and charged with treason for siding with England, etc) which eventually led up to the Civil War.
stewartx5 6 months ago
@stewartx5 Yeah exactly....meaning they are states not sovereign nations, who can act in whatever way they please, without the consent of the rest of the nation. States are bound by the laws of the Constitution, not the other way round.
It's funny, many Southerners haven't forgotten, because they never were allowed to know in the first place. After Reconstruction 'heritage' organizations like the SCV and UDC made sure that the only viewpoint Southerners were exposed to was Confederate...
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Many people in the South never heard of Southern Unionists, let alone the extent of opposition to the Confederate cause, before and during the war. That's why towns that never even existed until after the war, have prominent Confederate memorials in the town square...carefully placed there by the Daughters during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Thankfully, that monoview is starting to change.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@stewartx5 LOL...you keep ignoring the fact that the CSA wasn't recognized as a nation, by any country that mattered at the time, SO, what you've got is the suppression of a rebellion.
UnionStatesHeritage 6 months ago
@bluegrassreb Actually, among the 40 regiments were those who Sherman kept close to his headquarters, as they were his best fighters. Not an after thought at all. Rather, the southern rebels made war to preserve the institution of slavery, the US government put down that illegal rebellion to preserve the union that had not been dissolved, and could not be dissolved by a minority
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker ur a rebel if you lose. A revolutionary if you win! might does NOT make right. it just means you get to bully everyone around, even your 'so called' brothers from a region south of yours. or nations that have oil, or nations that dont support your style of government, or ... the list goes on and on.
bluegrassreb 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb No, rebellion makes one a traitor, until you win, or you gain clemency by servile supplication. Lee filed for pardon, and a clerk correctly filed it in the back of a drawer, so he died a traitor. Fighting against traitors is a high honor, and many southern men gained high honor by fighting against the rebels for the United States.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker Not entirely. You are speaking in terms of recognition but not in terms of perspective. Even if the rebellion succeeds, to those who lost they will always be considered traitors. Conversely if a rebellion is crushed, those who lost will continue to believe in the justness of that cause. One man's honor for his country was another man's treason to his state or heritage. There were no clearly defined lines as you might imply with simplistic citation of postwar protocol.
eayrs 1 year ago
@eayrs Not true. Many who lost in the war of the great rebellion realized the error and nullity of their cause. There was much sympathy for the US revolution in England because many understood that parlimentary representation was not possible for a land across the ocean, and that even parlimentary representation in Britain was grossly unfair (rotten boroughs, one seat, that of a city that sank into the sea, had noone who could vote for it!)
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker and others did not want pardons. Some moved to South America. A few others either became the equivalent to domestic terrorists or bandits. And a small few killed themselves. Even after defeat, those who had chosen not to fight for the losing side were seen as pariahs in some communities. To continue with the U.S. revolution analogy, there was also a great amount of loyalism in PA, MD, and the South. Much of the argument in the Continental Congress was that it was New England's war.
eayrs 1 year ago
@eayrs Lee applied for a pardon. He did not get it during his life. Many of the Iroquois, who committed what we would today call war crimes during the Revolutionary War, went to Canada during and after the revolution. Washington didn't think it was New England's war. Neither did Herkimer, Franklin, Jefferson, or Francis Marion. Of course Benedict Arnold got a Brigadier General commission from the British.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
was this movie any good? It looks like a good one.
demeandr121 1 year ago
the civil war's over, let it go
andrewincopenhagen 1 year ago
@andrewincopenhagen History likes to repeat alot.
steve4123456789 1 year ago
@steve4123456789 At best it kind of rhymes.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@andrewincopenhagen Mind your own Country ! Keep your damn business out of ours !!!
Back2Dixie 1 year ago
god bless my land
god bless my heritage: Cpt Carey F Grimes, Portsmouth light Artillery, CSA, KIA Sharpsburg 17 Sep 1862, his brother G.W.Grimes Lt. 17th north carolina , CSA, and Cpt John Allen Lovett, CSN, served aboard the CSS Partrick Henry after resigning his commission in the USNavy.
My ancestors fought for their land, their rights, their families, their honor and the great glorious state of Virginia.
This was a WAR of Northern Aggression.
God will be the final judge.
Deo Vindice!
s6u6r6f6 2 years ago
Darth, I beg to differ, yes your stat is correct concerning battlefield casulties. But dying is dying, whether it was from battle or disease. So 620,000 (2% of the population) men were casulties of the war. More than any other conflict in AMERICAN HISTORY COMBINED> That makes it the deadliest war in US History
cwcav3tn 2 years ago
My statistic on the Great War came from a lecture on the subject. My statistic on the Civil War...I can't remember which book or documentary gave me that piece of information to be honest lol. I've been studying the Civil War as a hobby for the better part of two years so I sometimes forget where certain pieces of information come from...It may have been an interview with Shelby Foote...or Ken Burn's The Civil War...or the Civil War Illustrated (Geoffrey C Ward)...sorry lol.
DarthMercanto 2 years ago
Taking only American casualties into consideration, including Confederates, the American Civil War was worse than both World Wars, Korea & Vietnam combined. It sounds insane, I know, but do the research & add up the figures.
hank3rox 2 years ago
Not only that, but throughout the entire Vietnam war, the United States suffered approximately 51 000 casualties, during the three day Battle of Gettysburg, the combined American casualties were approximately 52 000. Of course, that is if you count Confederate casualties as American, which people generally due.
DarthMercanto 2 years ago
*Sorry, that should say do at the end, not due. XD
DarthMercanto 2 years ago
Deadliest War...? 0:21-0:25. The odds of being killed in battle during the Civil War was 1 in 65, the odds of being killed in battle during the Great War was 1 in 11. The Civil War was horrifying but it was not the deadliest war America has ever participated in.
DarthMercanto 2 years ago
where do you get these statistics?
i believe you, but where do you get it?
eyederrick 2 years ago
Hey!!!! Where's the hillbilie accent??????
Jeffanos 2 years ago
you're a jackass.
jarroddavenport 2 years ago
Oh u r so kind.......
Jeffanos 2 years ago
it's an independent film looks great
wc470 2 years ago
PUSSY or Patriotism????
PATRIOTISM or Pussy????
jws54 2 years ago
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Even for rednecks this looks bad.
mechanicalman09 3 years ago
yep secesh was legal... abe violated the law
foghatconcertseries 3 years ago 12
it was the other way round. secession was and still is illegal. if anybody secedes, nations would be redundant
spartanwarrior1 2 years ago
Only legal if you win.
DonMeaker 2 years ago 2
spartanwarrior1, secession is not only legal, it's the right of any free People to govern themselves. If secession was "illegal", you'd still be paying taxes to the British.
tpajason 2 years ago
Secession was illegal, thats why we had to fight for our independance. The Brits didn't hand it over on a silver platter did they?
kylememphis 2 years ago
Secession is not illegal. Any sovereign state can join or leave any alliance they choose. We fought for our Independence and won. Of course the Brits wouldn't hand it over. They saw it as rebellion. We did not. History is written by the victors. Why do you think the North didn't let the South just leave? Same reason the British didn't want us to leave - the lost income they'd have to come up with. Only this time, the wrong side won. Secession IS legal contrary to what Northern history books say.
tpajason 2 years ago
There is one exception to rebellion being illegal. That is to win. The southern rebels didn't meet that standard.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
no it isn't. the only legal justification for secession being illegal is Texas v. White which was a supreme court decision from 1869.
Giant difference between being a royal colony with a royal charter and committing a willful act of rebellion from resigning from a compact entered into as an equal partner.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
We would be paying taxes to Britain, if we didn't win. We won. We won again the second time (1812). England gave it up as a bad job after that. End of story.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
secession is illegal? is that why the us supported the secession of the soviet union and the secession of kosovo? We also support the secession of Georgia too and Mother Russia took a play from abe lincoln and beat their ass.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
That is why the South filed that writ of seccession with the Supreme Court, and didn't bother raising an army.....
Oops, they didn't file a writ of seccession, and they raised armies even before Abe took office.
Try again rebs..
DonMeaker 2 years ago
this is also why the supreme court never tried jeff davis for treason. didn't dare want to potentially lose in the court room what had been won on the field. the south didn't raise an army until lincoln threatened to invade them. That act alone pushed nc, va, tenn and ark into the confederacy and caused the war.
but you are a west point robot. go kill some arab kids for george bush.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
Actually J. Davis called for troops in March, and lincoln didn't take office until later, and only called for troops in April. Even then JD called for 100,000 men, AL called for 75,000 men.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
'rather wade in blood than submit' Amen. commentator sed 'choose his heart or country'. Carolina was his country. until lincolns Invasion West Point soldiers were sworn to protect Their STATE not the u.s. This changed after the War began. 'I love the union...but I Love Virginia more'. R E Lee. Secession was Legal & even ol abe himself as late as 1858 had said any state that want to leave the union has the right to do so. kinda went back on that one. He needed the High Tarrifs comin from DXE
coldh2ocarp 3 years ago 13
Crap. West Point soldiers served in the US government army. Secession was not legal, which is why all knew that the attempt meant war. Tarrifs mostly came from the northern states. Expenses mostly went to benefit Southern states. The North put up with Southern crap for years. I guess we didn't put down enough of the rebel scum after they were defeated.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
stick to things you know.
and dont go spreading falsehood.
ExecutorJoe 2 years ago
Lee said that secession was simply rebellion.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Amen DON. they seemingly need another beating.
spartanwarrior1 2 years ago
will you be the one to do it, tuff guy?
megajackspratt 2 years ago
You do realize that Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and other confederate Generals were west point graduates. Dont you?
Itsmeagain9145 2 years ago 2
Of the 300 major battles of the Civil War, 5 were commanded on one side by West Point graduates. The other 295 were commanded on both sides by West Point Graduates.
I don't give my fellow alumni a pass if they were to fall into treasonous error.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
holy shit, is that what they teach for history at the hudson river school for boys? exact opposite of the truth. read a book, robot.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
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Evacuating Lee destroyed the pretended southern army and the very real men in it , to the great benefit of the Nation.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
@coldh2ocarp by the grace of god did i run into this comment man! i feel the exact same way! I love the south and i love that im an american now!but im a virginian first! Robert E Lee set precidents that state comes first!
Joesesus 1 year ago
@Joesesus Except he didn't. He applied for pardon, accepting federal primacy.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
GOD BLESS, ALL TRUE PATRIOTS!
Let The Resistance, Begin!
GOD BLESS, DIXIE!
May She Rise Up, Out of The Ashes!
rebelstang 3 years ago 3
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Looks like low budget and terrible acting.
currahee232 3 years ago
kinda both.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
Stay classy, posters.
/sarcasm off.
-GSG-
goldstandardgirl 3 years ago
I know, I was mostly talking to the other guy.
1squidhunter 3 years ago
The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
susquedensis 3 years ago 2
Lincoln was President of the USA, not the 'North'.
That included Union states, where slavery was still legal. So, he had no legal power to change their laws, and respected that fact hmmmm.
Northern states used their Constitutional power to end slavery, decades before the war, so the EP wouldn't have applied to them, anyway.
By contrast, Southern states used the full force of Federal power, to impose their will on the slavery issue. Ever hear of Kansas?
wolfencrow 3 years ago
Neither of you is going to convince the other. Both sides were equaly guilty of crimes against slaves. Northern troops were notorious for abusing blacks, which is why Northern regiments were segregated. Unlike southern units. Honorable and evil men served on both sides. But that was for them to judge. Who the hell do you think you are? Sitting behind your lowly computer casting judgement on greater men. The fighter stands in the ring, with sweat & blood, while cowards hurl insults from the side.
1squidhunter 3 years ago 3
im the same person you are, just giving imput
susquedensis 3 years ago
The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
susquedensis 3 years ago 4
Santa Fe Campaign...South invaded New Mexico, and Colorado for the purpose of seizing those territories' mineral wealth. In other words MONEY. Funny how the citizens in those territories, didn't see the grey coats as 'liberators'.
Waahhh...the po po Southern aristos, who enjoyed an unaparreled level of wealth and privelage, despite all of that unfair taxation. My heart just bleeds.
Southern elite fought to preserve their economic system...in other words, their MONEY.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
The South was never attacked by ANY Union state or Territory, until after Ft. Sumter.
The CSA attacked, invaded, or tried to annex just about every territory and state, it bordered...even the ones that were initially sympathetic.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
Again, were talking numbers. Southern blacks overwhelmingly fought for the Union, and assisted the Union army, during the war.
I wonder how those black Confederates felt about their service after the war?
Southerners expressed their thanks in the form of a noose, and a torch.
Unfortunately, Northerners stabbed blacks in the back as well. We were so concerned with reconcilition, we chose to overlook the CSA's atrocities during the war, and the reign of terror, during Reconstruction.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
hard to imagine anyone talking about southern atrocities when the Union was doing stuff that the Germans, not known for their squeamishness, would not do until the second world war. The US govt gave orders to DEPOPULATE counties in missouri.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
And the south murdered Union soldiers because of the color of their skin, and sold others into slavery. A shameful regression to the ancient world by those Southern Gentlemen.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
And there were Free Black Slave Owners and Black Confederate Troops as well, Long before the North. But the Blacks Confederates didn't fare well in Northern Prison Camps either as many were killed, but then they weren't great places either, just not as terrible as Andersonville!
But then there are many sources to find this information.
apike6 2 years ago
Over 1 third of Union forces were black at the end of the war. Over 1/3 of Revolutionary war forces were black. Confederate forces routinely committed war crimes against captured US colored troops. Black confederates recommended by Lee, but were disavowed by the Confederate government. He didn't know why they were fighting if blacks were to be armed and given there freedom. Long after all the principals were dead, many black confederate soldiers were discovered by deluded southern partisans.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
@DonMeaker Over 1/3 of the Revolutionary army was black?? Where did you get this absurd lie from?
V0LD2M03T 1 year ago
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@DonMeaker You fucking dilluted liar ! People like you think you know it all, but the problem is you idiots make it up as you go along or you read a piece of shit book by a Liberal Northerner that has no facts, but is written to fill their greedy pockets, then dummies like you spread crap around.
Back2Dixie 1 year ago
"Black Confederate loyalty was pervasive and real. American historians failed to recognize this loyalty.By 1861 Southern blacks who supported and allied themselves with the Confederacy were looking to volunteer[22]. Despite the Confederate government's refusal to admit blacks in the army, six Southern states did so otherwise, mostly consisting of state militias. Eyewitness accounts by officers in Federal army offer some evidence of African American participation on battlefields for the South"..
susquedensis 3 years ago
Well now, I've seen a great deal of Southern etiquette and manners, right here on You-tube. Funny that...when you contrast pro-Union channels with CSA channels, you get an accurate picture as to which culture is more polite, and mannerly. Which culture is the one that views itself to be superior, and which culture is more violent and aggressive.
It's Southrons who fail to understand.
You don't get it.
After 200yrs you never have, and I doubt you ever will.
The loss is your own.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
dam..someone is still fighting the war, huh? no need to be a keyboard warrior..
susquedensis 3 years ago
LOL...It's the Southrons who are still fighting the war. It's called 'defending our heritage'. Southrons are kind of like Hezbollah. They use a culture of victimhood, as a weapon of aggression. "We struck a first blow in self defense". 'We had to shoot negroes, to defend ourselves from the galling tyranny of Reconstruction'...etc...ad nauseum.
It's called a culture war. Keyboards are just the weapon of the day.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
all you had to say was, yea, i guess it is true blacks WANTED to fight for the south..even when they had the option after the war to go north or do w e,they choose to stay..again not many southerns were rich enough to own slaves so it wasnt really much about that,mostly economy..so I feel it is my duty to inform you..RELAX! THE WAR IS OVER! there will always be pride on both sides of the mason dixon line and your dumb yankee ass cant change that so calm down and take the black cock outa ur ass..
susquedensis 3 years ago
Not many Germans were interested in shoving a Jew, in a death camp. Doesn't change the fact, that the regime they fought for, had other ideas.
"African slavery is the cornerstone of the INDUSTRIAL, political, and social fabric of the South. What ever wars against it, wars against her very existence"...Lawrence M. Keit, SC congressman.
Slavery WAS the Souths economy.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
"...Calm down and take the black cock outa ur ass."
Sweet...if that's a come on, I feel it's my duty to inform you, that I'm a top. So you'll have to bend your black ass, over the nearest bar stool.
LOl...I'm always relaxed, especially on the 'battlefield'.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
you are an embarrassment. i have read your crap for years on here. go back to the gay bar you came from.
megajackspratt 2 years ago
LOL...Check the figures luv. Roughly 94,000 CSA COMBAT deaths, as opposed to 110,000 Union COMBAT deaths. 16,000 more is hardly anything to crow about, especially in light of the fact, that most of the fighting was on CSA soil.
Spare me the 'we just want to be understood and respected' defense. You forget, I've lived in Dixie long enough to speak your lingo. Translation..."We want your respect, but reserve the right to continue bashing you, and attacking your own heritage".
wolfencrow 3 years ago
ohio is calling you back home. why don't you go?
megajackspratt 2 years ago
o believe you me, the south cashed plenty of checks, the south took a lot more of yankees, than yall did of us, and i can say us, cause i am direct descendant of a macon county guard, co. b., most southerners have respect toward yankees, its called right raising, or southern etiquette, we just don't like it when you yankees think your better, and talk down, cause we may talk different(by the way i love our accents),you will never understand, so i am wasting my time with you
leejackson1853 3 years ago
wolfencrow, is a yankee transplant , you have to just remember he is from pa. so all the true southerners, will have to look over him, "he wasn't raised right" most pennsylvanians are great people, a lot fly the confederate flag up there, he is down here in s.c. with our good manners, and great folks, i bet he don't say too much when he is out, cause you know how them rebels are, they would stuff a crow in his wolf mouth!
leejackson1853 3 years ago 3
LOL...I've got enough rotten Southron blood flowing through my veins, to call myself a native, if I chose to.
I've seen better manners, and more down to earth people in Southern California.
Never been afraid to speak my mind.
Guess what sweet meat? I'M the rebel here.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
i knew you were a yankee, if you don't like it here carry your ass back to pa. cause we don't give a shit how yall did it up north, apparentely, you must like s.c.. your ass is here, the real reason we lost the war was we ran out of bullets before the north ran out of sumbitches!!!!!!
leejackson1853 3 years ago 3
Damn right, apparently they had and still has plenty of sorry sumbitches.
originaljohnnyreb87 3 years ago
Once again sunshine...there's nothing wrong with being a Yankee, but I'm not from New England.
LOl...Don't give a damn how you screw it up, down South.
The real reason y'aaaall lost the war, is because your soldiers couldn't cash the check, written by your aristocratic overlords.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
believe it or not a good deal of blacks fought on the confederate side on their own will and when the civil war ended some still stayed with their masters cause they wanted to, and for those who didnt know..allot of northerners had slaves as well, including the general grant himself..he didnt give up his slaves until the end of the war...explain that before you start knocking the south
susquedensis 3 years ago
What's a good deal? 185,000 Southern blacks fought for the Union. Funny thing about that...If so many blacks fought side by side with their white brothers, against 'Northern Aggression', why did the CSA officially sanction the execution of Black Union soldiers, and their white officers?
Why did groups like the Redshirts perpetrate so many atrocities against blacks during Reconstruction?
wolfencrow 3 years ago
Hmmm 'alot of Northerners owned slaves'.
Again...how many is alot. All twelve 'indentured servants' that existed in the state of New Jersey?
South had four MILLION souls living under the lash, at the time of the CW.
How do you explain the underground railroad?
How do you explain the riots in Northern cities over Fugitive Slave Laws, which permitted armed Southrons to cross into Northern territory, catch runaways, and FORCE Northern peace officers to assist in the recovery of human property?
wolfencrow 3 years ago
When Rober E. Lee occupied my Commonwealth, his army rounded up our black citizens, declared them contraband, and marched them South, to be sold into slavery. Our white citizens risked death, and property destruction, if they resisted, or tried to hide blacks. Some people were forced at bayonet point, to assist the gray coats. Even so, people defied the Southron army, and saved as many as possible.
Explain that before you start defending the Southron nation.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
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Robert Adams suffers in eternal damnation, enjoying the company of Adolph Hitler, Jeffery Dalmer, and Saddam Hussein! Adams was not a honorable man but a vile scoundrel who sold babies for profit and raped 12-year old slave children. I relish that this evil coward rots in hell as just punishment. Legend says that at Stone Mountain you can hear the howl of Confederates soldiers as they are buggered by Lucifer each night! The tyranny & wickedness of evil men was rebuked by God via fire!
dhardway 3 years ago
You are a fucking coward bastard that doesnt know shit!!!
Bring it you pussy!!!!!!!!!
bluegrassreb 3 years ago 2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hot DAMN, dude.
AWESOME!!!!!
wolfencrow 3 years ago
The civil war is still going, Hail the south
Finchy000 3 years ago 3
great movie!! the main chacactor is played by his great granson in real life.
usm28 3 years ago
i mean...this war is OVER???? friggin 140 years ago..cmon guys. get over it. sit back and enjoy the trailer. who cares? North won, south lost, but were still crew and friends. only the rednecks really care.
enoching7 3 years ago
LOL I'd be inclined to agree, but the 'Southrons' aren't going to have it that way.
Take a look at the Confederate Heritage channels on You-tube, as a test case.
Nearly every one is a hate vid. Check out the lyrics to their favorite 'anthem' "I'm a Good Old Rebel".
It perfectly represents what the CSA was, and what Confederate 'Heritage' is.
You simply can't compromise with zealots.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
I,m probably gonna get shit over this but most of the "confederate" vids are posted by people with an I.Q. of less than 1 collectively. They make it much harder to be passionate about the South. I just don't like to think that some of my ancestors fought for what they believed to be right and it was basically for nothing and people now view them as villains. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I know I started these communications like a jackass and I apologize for that. (cont.)
beaubader 3 years ago
I appreciate your courage and fairness.
Thank You.
No need to apologize...I'm not exactly diplomatic, when playing the role of mongoose, on CSA channels.
Not many Northerners I was raised around, (especially those with Civil War ancestry) view the average Confederate soldier, as villains, or the South as 'villainous'. By contrast, Union state's soldiers are still demonized in the South, as is the 'North' in general.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
Bottom line - we agree to disagree. This would be a far more fun conversation over some cold beers. We are both proud Americans and if I saw someone from outside of our country try to harm you I would try to F them up. By the way, try to give South Carolina a chance it is a beautiful place. Go check out some of the ladies around Hilton Head - you wont be disappointed.
beaubader 3 years ago
Yes, I can honestly say I've never met a Texan I didn't like, and I've been acquainted with a fair number of people, from your state.
Again, thank you.
wolfencrow 3 years ago
Robert Adams is not the last.
We are still here, waiting.
lyden2006 3 years ago
may I ask waiting for what?
elroto 3 years ago
Just watch my vids. You'll get a clear picture.
lyden2006 3 years ago
wolfencrow,I've not seen the movie,if the back-shooting was during a battle and not an execution,your statment is BS,both sides did this.Hate vids?The north was just as bad if not worse.'heritage' bull-crap?Our foot is way ahead of yours,you ingnorance speaks volumes,No I don't need your respect and a Southern man don't need you around anyhow.
PM me if you care to expand,theres not enough room here.
45th NCTs
bawhow 4 years ago