There is a reason why the Mustang is better than the Spitfire. The Mustang was used as a long range escort and could go to Berlin and back. The Spitfire was an interceptor and couldn't go to Berlin. Didn't have the range. The Spitfire was lighter, had better range, and was designed to replace the Spitfire. The only thing they shared was the engines the Rolls-Royce Merlin. With the Mustang being the escort bomber casualty rates went down 75%. That's pretty huge.
As someone's already said, the P-51 had the range. Really, they aren't comparable aircraft - they were designed to do wildly different things. In a way, the two of them were beautifully complementary to one another. If either of them had not existed, the war could well have been lost.
It's also interesting to note how different the P-51 looks to many other US fighter aircraft of the time - because it was originally designed to a british specification, using a very different design philosophy.
The Sptfire Mk XIV is faster than the P51 and had 2x20mm cannons and 4x .303 inch browning machine guns. A spitfire was also recorded at travelling more than 606mph (975 KMH) in a dive! thats almost Mach 1! wow (Mach 0.86) and that was in 1944! But I would say the real star of WWII is the Hawker Hurricane which shot down more planes than any other fighter of WWII
@lemonite1 the 109 was the most produced plane of the war on either side, thats about it. 109 is weak in a right hand turn, between the hellcat, mustang, spit and thunderbolt the germans didn't enjoy very many kills :P
It really would depend on who is the better pilot when you compare both Aircraft. The spitfire has the better turn rate, and altitude climbing, sure. And the P-51 is a lot faster than the Spitfire. So it depends on how each pilot is flying, of course The spit wanting to fly in a turn fight, and the P-51 keeping to the Spit's 6 and probably Booming and Zooming(In game). In real life however.... whoever is the better pilot. Both very good aircraft.
Stop arguing the mustang was just an evolutionary step of the spitfire...it could do better because british and american brains worked together...but at the end only the pilot could do the difference which the british had more experience but the americans had a lot more of (numbers)...
@JGKaraya, you're absolutely right. I'm a young historicist, especialist on weapons in WWII: doesn't matter tanks, boats/submarines, airplaines... Spitfire was the first interceptor that could beat "easily" a bf 109, but p-51 d version of Mustang... man, that is another history: no possibility of winning spitfire to a Mustang p-51, recently awarded as the best second world war plane. In my opinion, if war continued 1 o 2 years more, me 262 o horten 229 could have changed all this.
ya know ppl can go back and forth with its better than this and that, but both spitfire and the p-51 has its good and bad points, but remember that the p-51 was crap till it was given to the brits and they put the Rolls Royce Merlin engine into it..I am a great fan of WW2 birds, best birds for me was de-havilland mosquito and of course supermarine spitfire...nice vid..enjoyed it
@bwianbiccus I wouldn't say it was complete crap. It was a very good airframe that was superior to the P-40 and was all around a better performer though they used the same engine. I read in a book that merlin mustangs didn't do as well in low altitude tree-top level as alison mustangs
Both aircraft are great performers in a dogfight yes they have a differents in horsepower and range but there both made for a specifc job, i think there both sick
The equivalent version of the Spitfire (mk XIV) is actually slightly faster then the P-51D. The Mustang had the range of the escort fighter it was. The Spit had the climb rate and cannon firepower of the interceptor it was.
P51 is a copy of the Spitfire. Everyone tries to copy the Spitfire. But the only ones who really know how to acquire their spitfires, are Canada, and Britain. I think if you give an American that Spitfire, he'd crash it on takeoff. No offense but P51 is exactly like the Spitfire. P51 may be faster. But the Spitfire has the horsepower and the Fuel.
"But the Spitfire has the horsepower and the Fuel" Sorry bro but the P51D had 100 more HP (1695hp) than the Spitfire (1565) and twice the range. 1000 miles for the P51 and only 450 miles for the Spit.
Thats true, but only with drop tanks. The P-51 using drop tanks was one of the longest ranged fighters of the whole 2nd World War and no Bf109, FW190 or Spitfire ever came close. Simply because they werent designed for that!
And the Mk.XIV Spitfire was a different animal than earlier Mk.V and IX versions. It weighted in at almost 4tons (IX: 3.3tons) and many a pilot said that it didnt feel like a Spitfire anymore.
@Supduplemup i believe the long flyte distance for a spit fire were recorded in the 6 pink ones that were made ,, serioosly look up the pink spit fire ,, it was used at sun set for recon
you're wrong lol. the p 51 has the horsepower and fuel...it can range longer and more efficiant than the spitfire..look it up on the internet. i'm not wrong. spitfire was short ranged, p 51 was long ranged, faster, and was more powerful than the spitfire because it had better and more guns.
Its good now that you point out the pros and cons of both planes, give us a notion that truly both and great planes, and non really top the other since they are built for different situiations
@JG52Karaya I'm just glad they were on our side. Without the Spitfire, we would have lost the Battle of Britain, giving Hitler free reign in Europe. Without the Mustang the allies would not have been able to carry out daylight bombings without massive losses
Everyone tries to copy the Spitfire, just like the Americans by making a P51-Mustang. But the Spitfire has still revived itself and proved itself more worth and powerful then the P51.
Your evidence to support your entirely subjective opinion is what? The Spit served the entire duration of WW2, the P-51 did not. The Spitfire will out turn a P-51 all day, everyday. They have identical rates of roll. The Spitfire, especially the Mk XIV with the Griffon engine will out climb & out run the P-51. The Spit holds the record for the highest altitude achieved in a piston engined fighter & it also holds the dive record at Mach 0.93.
Your evidence to support your subjective statement is? The Spit served for the entire duration of WW2, the P-51 did not. The Spit was just as potent proportionately in 1945 as it had been in 1939. The Spit will out turn a P-51 all day, everyday. Both have near identical rates of roll. The Spit Mk XIV will leave a P-51 standing in terms of rate of climb & outright speed. The Spit holds the altitude record for piston engined fighters & the dive record also, at Mach 0.93.
@Tofu64Vagine Well id say thier around equal the spit can maneuver better and has more fire power with the 20mils but the mustang defiantly has better speed and can climb and dive better.
To take nothing away from the Mustang (The brit pet name for the P51), it was a masterpiece. Not that it's real, but if you try it's roll rate on this game at high speed its astonishing
William Dunn (US fighter ace who flew Spitfires, P-51s, Hurricanes, and P-47s): "Now, if I had to make the choice of one fighter aircraft above all the others - one that I'd rather have tied to the seat of my pants in any tactical situation - it would be, without any doubt, the world's greatest propeller driven flying machine - the magnificent and immortal Spitfire."
The spitfire reigns supreme? The main reason why the P-51 is considered the greatest fighter of WWII, is because it corrected so many of the spitifires problems.
This isn't a real comparison, any real historian will tell you that the P-51 is the superior fighter.
Though truly, all in all, I believe its up to pilot capabilities and the pilots full understanding of their plan that enables them to perform respectably. With acknowledging the limitations of each aeroplane. Of course no plane of that era could have sustained a prolonged period of full speed, therefore the skill of the pilot is of extreme essence
In this IL2 the Spit handles soooo much better then the P51...ive flown the D20, D5 and Mk4 P51s then the Spit.....and I love the spit soo much more. The P51 is a boom and zoom plane and is meant to make stright passes....if I want to fly in a stright line ill fly a bomber, but in a fighter i want to turn and be able to out manvuer guys....in this game the p51 doesnt do that well haha
This game reminds me of the old game of air attack.. is this a later version of it .. please could you let me know where you get the game from and if it is a later version of air attack...Thnx
If it was shitfires hundreds of miles from home and flying across the channel into France and Germany everynight against the F-W-190 it would have been like "bringing the pigeons to the cat"
I would put the P-47 up against anything with propellors built in England , much less the Mustang..P-51 says to P-47...."take care of my light-work with this chump in the shitfire"...
Let's see which plane really is supreme. In the skies over Europe in WW2, how many aerial victories does the Spitfire actually have? Does anyone know, and have a source to back it up? I know what the Mustang did over Europe, with sources, but I just can't find anything on the Spitfire. It didn't have the range to fly into Germany and take on the Luftwaffe fighters like the Mustang did, while escorting our bombers.
Can anyone tell me just what the Spitfire's combat record is over Europe?
Yes, finally. Someone has the same questions I have about Spit in all marks. In looking at Luftwaffe Aces, it seems that they did very well against the Spitfire, yet there is very little info about how well it did against the German planes.Here are some RAF BoB #s(Osprey is NOT reliable).
Hello lemonite1. And yes, Osprey isn't reliable. I found that out when trying to find out what Iranian F-14's did in the Iran-Iraq War.
However, in a list of British and Commonwealth Aces, Marmaduke Pattle (So. Africa) had 51 kills, and James Johnson, British pilot had 38 kills, although it doesn't specify what type of plane they flew.
see if you knew shit all about these planes and swallowed your American pride and the thought that everything you make is the best then you would realise that the spit fire was faster, had a higher climb rate and was more agile than the p51 its the same today with your f-22 you think its the best but then against typhoons over china lake in a mock dog fight your plane gets embarassed
Ask them what? its a fact that the spitfire was faster, had a far higher and faster climb rate and had a greater roll rate. All things which would put it at better odds than the p 51 and then there was the spitfire cw which would crush the p 51 even more
Actually you just took all the facts and reversed them to make the spitfire look better. Its almost universaly accepted by most historians that the P-51 was the best fighter of the war. But i can tell your a sociopathic nationalist, so theres no convincing you now is there?
Its fact that the spitfire was designed for a dog fighting role and the mustang was multi role and designed for bomber escort and to do so had to sacrifice things which would allow it to proform better in a dog fight.
P-51 w/Merlin was a better fighter aircraft for a variety of reasons. Most obviously, the range of P-51. Mustangs escorted bombers into Germany- WELL OUT OF RANGE OF SPITFIRE.
The stats at the end happened to be off the internet yes i dont keep exact figures in my head and besides your more likely to believe them from an independent source
now you can finally accept that the p 51 did not make a better dog fighter than the spitfire even an idiot can see it has a considerable advantage in climb rate which in a dog fight makes all the difference
but what did you expect when the spit had the merlin engine from a racing plane and the p 51 an Allison engine.
what was the purpose of the clipped wing on the Spit? from IL2 all I gather is the plane turns worse haha...but all in all the Spitfire is my favorite plane in IL2..it turns on a half a dime does infact climb pretty well has decent weapons and is fairly fast if u give it enough time to gather speed haha
Supposedly, the clipped wing was supposed to perform better at lower altitudes than the elliptical winged Spitfire. I don't know enough about their roll rates heh
Lol was that vs a bot? cuz I can never get the bots to actually fight me if their pl;anes can fly faster then mine...they just circle up then come back down and land..........but the Spitfire is my fav plane to fly......mostly cuz its uber manuverable
In Your Dream Spit Boy The Mustang is Better and having unlimited ammo is you can spray and pray is fun lol try in normal setting next time flyboy lol
If the mustang had the jump on the Spit, the reverse could have been the result. Both are an equal match for each other and it comes down to the pilots, circumstance and sometimes luck. Thank God this blasphemy is a fantasy! I love both planes!
What a ridiculous statement! The Mustang, great aircraft that it was, simply will not live with a Spitfire in close combat-it simply is not as manoeuvrable. The Stang was the best escort fighter of WW2. The Spitfire was the best air superiority fighter of WW2- there is a difference. The Mustang was practically British anyway! Rolls Royce engineers altered the airframe to take the Merlin because the Allison US engine was sh1t! The rest is history....
The NA P51-D was every bit as maneuverable as the Spitfire but it depended on the fuel levels. The 'Stang had troubles with its fuel cells when full. That is why they burned off the center cell first.
Not according to Capt Eric Brown RN Brown is recognised as the most experienced military test pilot of WW2. He is the ONLY man to have flown EVERY frontline fighter aircraft used by EVERY nation in WW2. He was a very experienced combat pilot as well. I have an account were he talks about the respective merits of both SPit & P-51. Based on his extensive experience on both types, he considers that the Spit wil out turn & out roll the P-51 with ease. They are totally different concepts.
That depends, against the Mark V no question the Mustang wins. Yes the Spit may be more maneuverable, but American pilots, knew how to defend against that with the aircrafts speed. That's how they beat the Japanese Zero. In the BOB the spit had less than a 2:1 kill ratio , while the Mustang had an 11:1 ratio. Put against the Mark XIV it would be much closer since the Mustang would lose it's speed advantage. It would come down to the skills of the pilot. (Continued)
Overall the Mustang (The P-51B and later) was a better fighter because of it's range. It could bring the fight to the enemy instead of the other way around. Imagine if the RAF had P-51D Mustangs, instead of Spits in the BOB. The war would have been much shorter, as the Mustangs could have pursued them back to their base and destroyed the Luftwaffe early on. It's quite possible the US may never would have had to enter the war then.
Besides the disturbing notion of an Ally shooting down another Ally he video was pretty good. If you like to see what it's like to fly a real Mustang, check out my videos! I have 3 of my real flight, and 3 simulated in FSX.
p51 sucks there was only 2 good fighters on our side the hurricane and of cource the spitfire
boeing747ba 3 weeks ago
@XtraVideos11 well no shit the raf named there plain the best
bum813 3 weeks ago
There is a reason why the Mustang is better than the Spitfire. The Mustang was used as a long range escort and could go to Berlin and back. The Spitfire was an interceptor and couldn't go to Berlin. Didn't have the range. The Spitfire was lighter, had better range, and was designed to replace the Spitfire. The only thing they shared was the engines the Rolls-Royce Merlin. With the Mustang being the escort bomber casualty rates went down 75%. That's pretty huge.
redmustang03 4 months ago
Spitfire! It was the best fighter of the war.
mwillis1000 6 months ago
spitfire is the best plane that ever built
spitfire05211 9 months ago
As someone's already said, the P-51 had the range. Really, they aren't comparable aircraft - they were designed to do wildly different things. In a way, the two of them were beautifully complementary to one another. If either of them had not existed, the war could well have been lost.
It's also interesting to note how different the P-51 looks to many other US fighter aircraft of the time - because it was originally designed to a british specification, using a very different design philosophy.
wahaya2 10 months ago
The Sptfire Mk XIV is faster than the P51 and had 2x20mm cannons and 4x .303 inch browning machine guns. A spitfire was also recorded at travelling more than 606mph (975 KMH) in a dive! thats almost Mach 1! wow (Mach 0.86) and that was in 1944! But I would say the real star of WWII is the Hawker Hurricane which shot down more planes than any other fighter of WWII
blazer666del 1 year ago
@blazer666del No, I read that the 109 by a huge margin had the highest kill totals ever.
lemonite1 11 months ago
@lemonite1 the 109 was the most produced plane of the war on either side, thats about it. 109 is weak in a right hand turn, between the hellcat, mustang, spit and thunderbolt the germans didn't enjoy very many kills :P
jallan1407 10 months ago
@blazer666del are you sure that statistic is right? I thought the Hurricane shot down more enemy aircraft in the Battle of Britain, not the war.
jerrycs2000 7 months ago
Spitfire has heavier armament too. - About twice as powerfull.
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
It really would depend on who is the better pilot when you compare both Aircraft. The spitfire has the better turn rate, and altitude climbing, sure. And the P-51 is a lot faster than the Spitfire. So it depends on how each pilot is flying, of course The spit wanting to fly in a turn fight, and the P-51 keeping to the Spit's 6 and probably Booming and Zooming(In game). In real life however.... whoever is the better pilot. Both very good aircraft.
krockc777 1 year ago
i think mustangs wud win but spitfires look sexier
de7897 1 year ago
I might be wrong, but sniped him at 1.0 yards(I think that's the measurement unit) really cool indeed =]
jcneto30 1 year ago
Stop arguing the mustang was just an evolutionary step of the spitfire...it could do better because british and american brains worked together...but at the end only the pilot could do the difference which the british had more experience but the americans had a lot more of (numbers)...
cid871 1 year ago
@JGKaraya, you're absolutely right. I'm a young historicist, especialist on weapons in WWII: doesn't matter tanks, boats/submarines, airplaines... Spitfire was the first interceptor that could beat "easily" a bf 109, but p-51 d version of Mustang... man, that is another history: no possibility of winning spitfire to a Mustang p-51, recently awarded as the best second world war plane. In my opinion, if war continued 1 o 2 years more, me 262 o horten 229 could have changed all this.
bboyprat 1 year ago
ya know ppl can go back and forth with its better than this and that, but both spitfire and the p-51 has its good and bad points, but remember that the p-51 was crap till it was given to the brits and they put the Rolls Royce Merlin engine into it..I am a great fan of WW2 birds, best birds for me was de-havilland mosquito and of course supermarine spitfire...nice vid..enjoyed it
bwianbiccus 1 year ago
@bwianbiccus I wouldn't say it was complete crap. It was a very good airframe that was superior to the P-40 and was all around a better performer though they used the same engine. I read in a book that merlin mustangs didn't do as well in low altitude tree-top level as alison mustangs
1947airman 1 year ago
whats the soundtrack of this?
bearcatpilot 1 year ago
Both aircraft are great performers in a dogfight yes they have a differents in horsepower and range but there both made for a specifc job, i think there both sick
spitfireMK22 1 year ago
P-51 has style but the Spitfire has PERFORMANCE!!!
Latvietis96 1 year ago
The equivalent version of the Spitfire (mk XIV) is actually slightly faster then the P-51D. The Mustang had the range of the escort fighter it was. The Spit had the climb rate and cannon firepower of the interceptor it was.
Yamieguy64 1 year ago
GO SOITFIREEEEEE YEAHHHHHHH
AlexBoniBall 2 years ago
P51 is a copy of the Spitfire. Everyone tries to copy the Spitfire. But the only ones who really know how to acquire their spitfires, are Canada, and Britain. I think if you give an American that Spitfire, he'd crash it on takeoff. No offense but P51 is exactly like the Spitfire. P51 may be faster. But the Spitfire has the horsepower and the Fuel.
IronFightingFalcon 2 years ago
@IronFightingFalcon
You left out one thing: the Spitfire doesn't have an engine that gets disabled by one rifle caliber bullet.
SukhoiSu47 2 years ago
"But the Spitfire has the horsepower and the Fuel" Sorry bro but the P51D had 100 more HP (1695hp) than the Spitfire (1565) and twice the range. 1000 miles for the P51 and only 450 miles for the Spit.
myrransf 2 years ago
Although the Spitfire Mark XIV has 2050 horsepower and had a range of approx 900 miles
Supduplemup 2 years ago
Yes you are right, although my data shows 620 mile range on the Spit 16 (With no Slipper tank) I was referring to the Spit IX before.
myrransf 2 years ago
Thats true, but only with drop tanks. The P-51 using drop tanks was one of the longest ranged fighters of the whole 2nd World War and no Bf109, FW190 or Spitfire ever came close. Simply because they werent designed for that!
And the Mk.XIV Spitfire was a different animal than earlier Mk.V and IX versions. It weighted in at almost 4tons (IX: 3.3tons) and many a pilot said that it didnt feel like a Spitfire anymore.
JG52Karaya 2 years ago
@Supduplemup i believe the long flyte distance for a spit fire were recorded in the 6 pink ones that were made ,, serioosly look up the pink spit fire ,, it was used at sun set for recon
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
you're wrong lol. the p 51 has the horsepower and fuel...it can range longer and more efficiant than the spitfire..look it up on the internet. i'm not wrong. spitfire was short ranged, p 51 was long ranged, faster, and was more powerful than the spitfire because it had better and more guns.
lolpranksta 2 years ago
What the heck are you talking about!?
The P-51 is in no way a copy of the Spitfire, the only similiarity between them is that they both use versions of the Rolls Royce Merlin engine.
The Spitfire is a rather short ranged defensive interceptor fighter whereas the P-51 is a long range offensive bomber escort fighter.
The Mustang is quite a lot faster than the Spitfire especially at high altitudes whereas the Spitfire has the advantage in climb- and turnrate
JG52Karaya 2 years ago 11
@JG52Karaya
Its good now that you point out the pros and cons of both planes, give us a notion that truly both and great planes, and non really top the other since they are built for different situiations
Supduplemup 2 years ago
@JG52Karaya I'm just glad they were on our side. Without the Spitfire, we would have lost the Battle of Britain, giving Hitler free reign in Europe. Without the Mustang the allies would not have been able to carry out daylight bombings without massive losses
judgedredd123 1 year ago
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JG52Karaya 2 years ago
Everyone tries to copy the Spitfire, just like the Americans by making a P51-Mustang. But the Spitfire has still revived itself and proved itself more worth and powerful then the P51.
IronFightingFalcon 2 years ago
GO P-51
gabriel567567567 2 years ago
p-51 is better than spitfire(my opinion)
wats the song name?
Tofu64Vagine 2 years ago
"Spitfire kicks yo arse"
lol only kidding :p
The song is from the game TF2 (Team Fortess) and I think its called "War drums" or something similar, I forgot. But try searching around those lines
Supduplemup 2 years ago
k thanks
Tofu64Vagine 2 years ago
Your evidence to support your entirely subjective opinion is what? The Spit served the entire duration of WW2, the P-51 did not. The Spitfire will out turn a P-51 all day, everyday. They have identical rates of roll. The Spitfire, especially the Mk XIV with the Griffon engine will out climb & out run the P-51. The Spit holds the record for the highest altitude achieved in a piston engined fighter & it also holds the dive record at Mach 0.93.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
Your evidence to support your subjective statement is? The Spit served for the entire duration of WW2, the P-51 did not. The Spit was just as potent proportionately in 1945 as it had been in 1939. The Spit will out turn a P-51 all day, everyday. Both have near identical rates of roll. The Spit Mk XIV will leave a P-51 standing in terms of rate of climb & outright speed. The Spit holds the altitude record for piston engined fighters & the dive record also, at Mach 0.93.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
@Tofu64Vagine Well id say thier around equal the spit can maneuver better and has more fire power with the 20mils but the mustang defiantly has better speed and can climb and dive better.
abot19 1 year ago
@Tofu64Vagine every thing on the p-51 is better the turning radious speed weapons and the pilots
ww2guy100 5 months ago
the p-51 was a hell of a plane
HufflepuffTheGreat 2 years ago
To take nothing away from the Mustang (The brit pet name for the P51), it was a masterpiece. Not that it's real, but if you try it's roll rate on this game at high speed its astonishing
MrMorg19 2 years ago
Which version of the Spitfire are you referring to.
BJBFOREST 2 years ago
William Dunn (US fighter ace who flew Spitfires, P-51s, Hurricanes, and P-47s): "Now, if I had to make the choice of one fighter aircraft above all the others - one that I'd rather have tied to the seat of my pants in any tactical situation - it would be, without any doubt, the world's greatest propeller driven flying machine - the magnificent and immortal Spitfire."
kevinkards1 2 years ago
The spitfire reigns supreme? The main reason why the P-51 is considered the greatest fighter of WWII, is because it corrected so many of the spitifires problems.
This isn't a real comparison, any real historian will tell you that the P-51 is the superior fighter.
southparkfan2717 2 years ago
yeah p51 is basically a spitfire but much more improved
barneysixx 2 years ago
what marks are we talking about?
and who's flying them?
Supduplemup 2 years ago
Though truly, all in all, I believe its up to pilot capabilities and the pilots full understanding of their plan that enables them to perform respectably. With acknowledging the limitations of each aeroplane. Of course no plane of that era could have sustained a prolonged period of full speed, therefore the skill of the pilot is of extreme essence
Supduplemup 2 years ago
what game is this? it looks fun and id like to get it
LepriKon15 2 years ago
P-51 was alot better
ele90 2 years ago
I dont know. I like both of these planes but I think I like flying the LA-5F better.
weezerton77 2 years ago
In this IL2 the Spit handles soooo much better then the P51...ive flown the D20, D5 and Mk4 P51s then the Spit.....and I love the spit soo much more. The P51 is a boom and zoom plane and is meant to make stright passes....if I want to fly in a stright line ill fly a bomber, but in a fighter i want to turn and be able to out manvuer guys....in this game the p51 doesnt do that well haha
CMDRFandragon 2 years ago
i don't know much about WWII fighters, but couldn't they have added in external fuel tanks to spitfires
snarwars 2 years ago
Its from Team Fortress 2. I forgot the name but search 'team fortress 2 drum music" or something
Supduplemup 2 years ago
A US fighter pilot once said, A Mustang won't do what a Spit will do, but it'll do it over Berlin.
They're both awesome aircraft and depending on the model have different strengths, weaknesses.
I really think that in comparable models the differences would be marginal and it would be a matter of situation and pilot abilty........and luck!
Pablo668 2 years ago 9
This game reminds me of the old game of air attack.. is this a later version of it .. please could you let me know where you get the game from and if it is a later version of air attack...Thnx
MickThePickle 2 years ago
I dont think its a later version. I have only played those Il2 sturmovik games and flight sim.
I got this from some computer game store if I remember correctly, or from Virgin a long time ago.
Supduplemup 2 years ago
what is this game called is it free
NoCreditForMe 2 years ago
I know,but the spitfire was the better fighter.Hurricane did the volume work - the spitfire took the glory.
SaltireBlaze 2 years ago 2
THUD you only need look at one battle to see how good the Spitfire was : the battle of Britain. The Spitfire's the stuff of legend with good reason.
SaltireBlaze 2 years ago
Great sound track! What is it?
Tome4kkkk 2 years ago
its from the game Team Fortress 2. Its called "art of war". Just type "tf2 art of war" in youtube and you will get it :-)
Supduplemup 2 years ago
Thanks! :)
Tome4kkkk 2 years ago
FW-190 "LONG NOSE" model was as good as any in my opinion..
1z1q 2 years ago
If it was shitfires hundreds of miles from home and flying across the channel into France and Germany everynight against the F-W-190 it would have been like "bringing the pigeons to the cat"
1z1q 2 years ago
I would put the P-47 up against anything with propellors built in England , much less the Mustang..P-51 says to P-47...."take care of my light-work with this chump in the shitfire"...
1z1q 2 years ago
Let's see which plane really is supreme. In the skies over Europe in WW2, how many aerial victories does the Spitfire actually have? Does anyone know, and have a source to back it up? I know what the Mustang did over Europe, with sources, but I just can't find anything on the Spitfire. It didn't have the range to fly into Germany and take on the Luftwaffe fighters like the Mustang did, while escorting our bombers.
Can anyone tell me just what the Spitfire's combat record is over Europe?
THUD086 2 years ago
Yes, finally. Someone has the same questions I have about Spit in all marks. In looking at Luftwaffe Aces, it seems that they did very well against the Spitfire, yet there is very little info about how well it did against the German planes.Here are some RAF BoB #s(Osprey is NOT reliable).
lemonite1 2 years ago
Flg off Brian Carbury 15 (109 kills)
Plt off Eric Lock 15
Plt off Colin Gray 12
Flg off Pat Hughes 12
Sgt William Franklin 11
Flg off Des McMullen 10.5
Flg off John Webster 9.5
Sqn ld. John Ellis 9
Sqn ld. Adolf Malan 9
Flt Sgt George Unwin 8.5
lemonite1 2 years ago
Hello lemonite1. And yes, Osprey isn't reliable. I found that out when trying to find out what Iranian F-14's did in the Iran-Iraq War.
However, in a list of British and Commonwealth Aces, Marmaduke Pattle (So. Africa) had 51 kills, and James Johnson, British pilot had 38 kills, although it doesn't specify what type of plane they flew.
THUD086 2 years ago
And the since the spitfire is a british plane britian asked the U.S. to build more spitfires but built them the P-51 mustang.
rayrayman09 2 years ago
The P-51 Owns any WWII aircraft out there.
rayrayman09 2 years ago
LMAO all but the spitfire
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
No it was alot better
ele90 2 years ago
see if you knew shit all about these planes and swallowed your American pride and the thought that everything you make is the best then you would realise that the spit fire was faster, had a higher climb rate and was more agile than the p51 its the same today with your f-22 you think its the best but then against typhoons over china lake in a mock dog fight your plane gets embarassed
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
Ask a historian please.
ele90 2 years ago
Ask them what? its a fact that the spitfire was faster, had a far higher and faster climb rate and had a greater roll rate. All things which would put it at better odds than the p 51 and then there was the spitfire cw which would crush the p 51 even more
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
aahm you know that mustang was faster than the spitfire... do you
FireXtheRipper 2 years ago
no it wasn't it was faster than some of the older variants of spitfire not the upgraded ones
take the p51d and spit mk.XIV for example the spitfire wins hands down in a dog fight
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
Actually you just took all the facts and reversed them to make the spitfire look better. Its almost universaly accepted by most historians that the P-51 was the best fighter of the war. But i can tell your a sociopathic nationalist, so theres no convincing you now is there?
ele90 2 years ago
Its fact that the spitfire was designed for a dog fighting role and the mustang was multi role and designed for bomber escort and to do so had to sacrifice things which would allow it to proform better in a dog fight.
If you want facts and figures you can have them
Spitfire Mk.XIV
Engine power: 2035 hp.
Speed: 721 km/h.
Climb Rate: 5,200 ft/min.
P-51D
Engine power: 1720 hp.
Speed: 703 km/h.
Climb rate: 3,475 ft/min.
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
Wow that was copied and pasted from wikipedia.
ele90 2 years ago
P-51 w/Merlin was a better fighter aircraft for a variety of reasons. Most obviously, the range of P-51. Mustangs escorted bombers into Germany- WELL OUT OF RANGE OF SPITFIRE.
gruvskool 2 years ago
yep so it can run away from the spits too lol
Supduplemup 2 years ago
The stats at the end happened to be off the internet yes i dont keep exact figures in my head and besides your more likely to believe them from an independent source
now you can finally accept that the p 51 did not make a better dog fighter than the spitfire even an idiot can see it has a considerable advantage in climb rate which in a dog fight makes all the difference
but what did you expect when the spit had the merlin engine from a racing plane and the p 51 an Allison engine.
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
what was the purpose of the clipped wing on the Spit? from IL2 all I gather is the plane turns worse haha...but all in all the Spitfire is my favorite plane in IL2..it turns on a half a dime does infact climb pretty well has decent weapons and is fairly fast if u give it enough time to gather speed haha
CMDRFandragon 2 years ago
Supposedly, the clipped wing was supposed to perform better at lower altitudes than the elliptical winged Spitfire. I don't know enough about their roll rates heh
Supduplemup 2 years ago
What have you been smoking????
ClarksonsinUSA 2 years ago
well im just telling you the facts the spitfire out preforms the p 51 accept it
GreenBeretUK 2 years ago
Lol was that vs a bot? cuz I can never get the bots to actually fight me if their pl;anes can fly faster then mine...they just circle up then come back down and land..........but the Spitfire is my fav plane to fly......mostly cuz its uber manuverable
CMDRFandragon 3 years ago
In Your Dream Spit Boy The Mustang is Better and having unlimited ammo is you can spray and pray is fun lol try in normal setting next time flyboy lol
Bester7544 3 years ago
what are you talking about? to who?
If to me then I was playing at the highest difficulty.
Enjoy anyway :)
Supduplemup 3 years ago
If the mustang had the jump on the Spit, the reverse could have been the result. Both are an equal match for each other and it comes down to the pilots, circumstance and sometimes luck. Thank God this blasphemy is a fantasy! I love both planes!
buttermobile 3 years ago
hehe, they do dare those beauties!
Supduplemup 3 years ago
in rea life and if they were equaly trained the mustang would have won
shari5827 3 years ago
why do you think so?
Vietcong01 3 years ago
What a ridiculous statement! The Mustang, great aircraft that it was, simply will not live with a Spitfire in close combat-it simply is not as manoeuvrable. The Stang was the best escort fighter of WW2. The Spitfire was the best air superiority fighter of WW2- there is a difference. The Mustang was practically British anyway! Rolls Royce engineers altered the airframe to take the Merlin because the Allison US engine was sh1t! The rest is history....
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 3 years ago
The NA P51-D was every bit as maneuverable as the Spitfire but it depended on the fuel levels. The 'Stang had troubles with its fuel cells when full. That is why they burned off the center cell first.
lemonite1 2 years ago
Not according to Capt Eric Brown RN Brown is recognised as the most experienced military test pilot of WW2. He is the ONLY man to have flown EVERY frontline fighter aircraft used by EVERY nation in WW2. He was a very experienced combat pilot as well. I have an account were he talks about the respective merits of both SPit & P-51. Based on his extensive experience on both types, he considers that the Spit wil out turn & out roll the P-51 with ease. They are totally different concepts.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
is this a multiplayer game? cos looks fun if it is :D
Ph33NIXx 3 years ago
not really multiplayer nope. But its fun anyway :p
Supduplemup 3 years ago
ah okay... me and some friends have become kinda anoyed by the les possibilities in Battlefield 1942 ;P
Ph33NIXx 3 years ago
lol, "less possibilities"
Well, welcome to the new "more opportunities" :p
Supduplemup 3 years ago
haha i shall enjoy this :D
Ph33NIXx 3 years ago
can't u play multiplayer with hyperlobby?? i played multiplayer with this game alot..
dna1101 3 years ago
u can play multiplayer
dna1101 3 years ago
well thx for the intell guys ^^
Ph33NIXx 3 years ago
this was on quick mission, wasn't it. I want to see it online.
rolfyboy8 3 years ago
team fortress 2 anyone?
devil952 3 years ago
LoL, heheh, yep, taking TF2 to the skies
Supduplemup 3 years ago
That depends, against the Mark V no question the Mustang wins. Yes the Spit may be more maneuverable, but American pilots, knew how to defend against that with the aircrafts speed. That's how they beat the Japanese Zero. In the BOB the spit had less than a 2:1 kill ratio , while the Mustang had an 11:1 ratio. Put against the Mark XIV it would be much closer since the Mustang would lose it's speed advantage. It would come down to the skills of the pilot. (Continued)
tf51d 3 years ago
Overall the Mustang (The P-51B and later) was a better fighter because of it's range. It could bring the fight to the enemy instead of the other way around. Imagine if the RAF had P-51D Mustangs, instead of Spits in the BOB. The war would have been much shorter, as the Mustangs could have pursued them back to their base and destroyed the Luftwaffe early on. It's quite possible the US may never would have had to enter the war then.
tf51d 3 years ago
Hey thanks for the great comments!
The Spitfire in the video was the MK. IX,
and the Mustang was the MK. III
I hope you liked the video though :)
Supduplemup 3 years ago
Besides the disturbing notion of an Ally shooting down another Ally he video was pretty good. If you like to see what it's like to fly a real Mustang, check out my videos! I have 3 of my real flight, and 3 simulated in FSX.
tf51d 3 years ago
heh thanks.
I've watched a few of your videos yep. Most helpful was your FSX settings! :)
Im still watching a few
Supduplemup 3 years ago
yaa!!!! good showw!!! loved it!! ^_^
gester27 3 years ago
oh lol, thanks! glad you liked it :)
Supduplemup 3 years ago