@ sweetpetergeda I understand they using Daniel wrong but I think that if they going to give him the title, you and I know if you look at all of world champions, you know that being all the past champions had that swag, that charisma. Just watch any of the raws or smackdown shows when his music plays and he comes out you'll notice no cheering from noone, nobody standing. They need to use him better than what they doing now.
you know back then i couldnt see it like that being a big wcw fan, because of sting and goldberg, and i never real liked foley, as a world champion, but now when i look back it doesnt make sense because that was something new and something you couldnt believe was gonna happen so that made it fun. i hate to say it, but i think wcw's main event that night was sting vs. hogan again, even tho i enjoyed that back then, it was old by that point when you think about it from a business point.
biggest mistake eric bischoff made when he told schiavone to reveal what happened minutes before raw started. this same night was that "finger poke of doom" angle and the tide had turned for the monday night wars.
(Read below first) the start of the fall. They had guys who were willing to work and put on amazing matches and they never pushed them. If they did, the push would be dropped when they constantly changed bookers. Even with Bischoff in charge, no one knew what was going on from one week to the next. Bret Hart said that 30 seconds to air one night, they never had a main event planned. #1 reason why WCW died? They were clueless from day one and Vince McMahon knows wrestling. Their bosses never did.
@batmanjwo The only reason why WCW got better ratings than WWF was because WCW had all of the former WWE stars. Vince was a pure genius. He made nobodies like Undertaker and Austin to main event level status. Something that WCW will never accomplish.
I changed the channel. I remember that night vividly. The WCW match sucked. However, WCW died, in my eyes, LONG before they started to even challenge the WWF. In the late 80s/early 90s, they had an absolute ton of wrestling talent. The Steiners, Flair, Sting, Luger, and the Road Warriors were at the top of the card. However, they had Zenk, Austin, Pillman, Eaton, Armstrong, all great workers, ready to move up the card. Ole and Bill Watts buried all of them. They didn't see talen which was....
@parkesc21 Yup. WCW knew for a week Mick Foley was gonna win the WWF title (and so did a lot of other people in fairness, but it still didn't stop people from changing the channel). And the best WCW could come up with was "The Fingerpoke of Doom" to put the title back on Hogan (if I remember, in the same building he lost the title in six months earlier). Yeah, that worked out well. *shudder*
So Mick Foley won the WWE Title fair and square, on the same day that Hollywood Hogan beat Kevin Nash for the WCW Title by the use of a fingerpoke. Tough choice which one was better booked. :/
@SuperMas16 I'd like to make one soon for the loyal subbers but I'm running out of ideas and don't know how to show certain things, i.e AOL/Time Warner
I disagree with the PG thing. PG was there wayyyy before the Attitude Era. If u had Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, HBK they would make it better because they can sell it. PG was on SmackDown forever. Look back at the old WWE shows. It was PG. Mr. Kennedy release? PLEASE. John Cena is not the reason they are making tons of money with him. Do research. The creative team should be #1
Not to mention that none of the superstars got that charisma like any of the legends have. Like shawn michaels, Stone cold, the rock, HHH ect. Daniel Bryan as one your champions are you kidding me, no charisma at all!!!!
@MrBlockice22 hey wait now, daniel bryan aka bryan danielson from roh(ring of honor) and voted like pound for pound best wrestler in the world like two years in ago a few years ago(look it up)is the real deal as champion. i cant believe wwe gave him the title, but the way the use stars like him is what makes him look bad. i mean wwe is competing with ufc in some kind of way, so they need guys who can really carry the titles who can really wrestle. everything cant be entertainment lol
@BijjalyGas why does everybody keep hating on cena, he really anit the worse champion in history lol but i do agree with the tag team thing and ecw thing, now the ecw thing was a complete fuck up thats why i always tell ppl dont act like wwe has never pulled any "what the fuck they doing moments" lol
@KennedyMrKennedy I know another reason why WCW failed. When DX's "Suck It!" and Scott Halls "Down Here" catchphrases were hot WCW made Hall tone it down and wouldn let anyone do anything badass like hat. Even Norman Smiley had to quit doing his ass slapping thing in the ring. If you wanted to go up against the wwf attitude, you had to bring it big time, not some watered down good ole boy bullshit.
Biggest bitch move on a wreslter show ever, and it backfired. Served them right. I remember the night Foley won the title for the first time, why? Because I was watching the WWF and not this shit. I just about exploded with joy when Mrs Foley's baby boy won the big one. It was a fantastic moment in wrestling.
When you look back on it. This was Eric Bischoff's idea. Boy didn't it backfire big time. Raw went ^ Nitro went downhill. The Nash/Hogan match on that same Nitro worse match for a Main Event in WCW history.
This was also the night you had the famous poke of doom. What would you rather watch 2 great wrestlers that could wrestle and entertain. Or 2 wrestlers that couldnt work and was just stale.
@advocate319 All the guys in that Raw main event, put my butt in a seat, not just Foley. In that 1 match you had Foley, Rock, Austin, McMahons, Corporation, and DX. WCW had the has beens I was sick of in the 1980's like Hogan, Flair, Steroid Steiner, et cetera. I was a Foley fan until his first fake retirement in 2000 and lost all respect for him after that including his pathetic stint in WCW 2.0 (TNA). Still it was a historic and feel good moment when Foley won the title, the opposite of WCW
@PepticNightmare Really, WCW never beat WWF, except in the Monday Night ratings. Every other measure of business including secondary show ratings were always won by WWF. The war was over in 1997 and the top WCW guys like Flair, Hall, Nash, and Hogan knew it, so they were trying then to jump back to WWF. Kevin Sullivan told Chris Jericho in 1997 that WCW was a sinking ship and Sullivan was the head WCW booker. Hogan begged Jericho in 1999 to take Hogan with him to the WWF when Jericho left WCW
In all your lists, you forgot to add WCW had terrible theme songs for their wrestlers. Compared to WWE wrestlers. For example, Hogan had a better theme song in WWE than he did in WCW and this was before Hogan had the nWo theme song. Chris Jericho had a much better theme song in the WWE than he did when he wrestled in WCW.
@schooltrashers Part of -that- problem is that there were over a hundred guys on WCW roster (most of whom had to show up) - so, everyone had to get a theme song (usually getting the "Jimmy Hart" version of popular songs) and some got stock music. On the other hand, Jim Johnston made theme songs for individual wrestlers, and thus his workload wasn't so big and could focus on themes that worked for the wrestler.
@DevilTakeMe By 1999 the number of guys actively working on WWF television was the same or more than the number of guys actively working on WCW television, so number of talents is not a reason. WWF has 1 of the most successful music producers in history in Jim Johnston who finds each talent the right music whether he makes it himself or they cub contract to outside bands. All WCW had for their few new original tracks was Jimmy Hart whose music career died in 1960 and geezer bands like KISS.
@schooltrashers Chris Jericho talks about this in his first book. If you were not a big $ contract guy brought in from WWF, then WCW did not give a crap about your music or gimmick. Jericho's WCW theme was stock music from the Turner library that Turner used to play for basketball highlights, unlike in WWF. Real American, Hogan's WWF theme, was actually written for Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo, but Hogan stole it when Survivor sued WWF over using their song from Rocky 3, Eye Of The Tiger.
@schooltrashers There really were almost no WCW guys as their top guys were all has beens stolen from WWF and their under card were all young guys stolen from ECW, Japan, Mexico, et cetera. McMahon figured out in the 1980's with The Wrestling Album and Pile Driver that producing music not only helped talent and prevented paying rights fees, but it was an incredible source of income as well. WCW was clueless on how to make $ even when their company was briefly hot from 1996 - 1998.
@MRobert21 WCW considered itself part of Turner Broadcasting, and therefore, didn't really think they needed to make back the money it was spending. Turner was making money everywhere else, so Bischoff and company were basically allowed to spend more than they were making through ridiculous "guaranteed contracts."
How bad did it get? Some wrestlers were contracted directly to TBS, not WCW, so for years after WCW folded, Time Warner was still paying many WCW wrestlers.
@DevilTakeMe WCW was a private subsidiary of the public corporation AOL / Time Warner after AOL bought Time Warner, which had previously bought out Ted Turner, who first acquired WCW in 1989 from the Crockett Family. Of course, WCW needed to make $, WCW just was always inept at it, unlike WWF. WWF made $ off DVD's / home video, advertising, sponsorships, investors, internet, live events, pay per view, merchandising, and many other ways WCW never did even when WCW was popular.
@MRobert21 Right and then WCW was simply trying to throw money at all the problems they were having - wrestlers with guaranteed contracts, signing "celebrities" left and right in bids to draw higher ratings. That, on top of having just about the entire roster present at almost every show was basically just throwing their money away.
Then, of course, someone had the bright idea of cutting their costs (and revenue) by shortening their program from 3 hours to 2...
@DevilTakeMe WWF had guaranteed contracts too by then. The problems with WCW contracts were they paid the same whether or not the talent worked, they gave most talents creative control over their characters, and they were for limited dates and once the talent worked all the dates in the contract, then they could not be forced to work any more. Nitro should NEVER have expanded to 3 hours. The third hour increased costs and did not provide extra revenue or ratings, so that hour got axed.
@MRobert21 The difference being that WCW wasn't really competing by then. They had overspent themselves by so much in '98 and '99 and botched up their product that it lost it's appeal, and never recovered, despite having the largest roster of any company at the time. They had moved out of the head-to-head prime time slot and moved to an 8 PM- 10 PM slot, unopposed for the first hour. And still they never recovered.
I think the real mistake was WCW Thunder, but for the same reason.
@DevilTakeMe WCW was ALWAYS a horribly mismanaged company even back when the Crocketts owned it, which is why Mama Crockett said enough and sold it off. WCW ALWAYS was worried about trying to compete with WWF and not just focusing on what WCW was doing. Except for 1997 and 1998 WCW lost tens of millions of $ every year after Turner bought WCW in 1989. Roster size does not make a good product. Thinder was no more a mistake than saturday Night, Worldwide, or any other failed WCW secondary show.
@MRobert21 Saturday Night and WorldWide had been the primary shows for WCW for a good while before Nitro came along. And then they became C-shows that helped out new talent, which wasn't a bad idea. Low production costs with a good return.
Thunder, on the other hand, was built up at the start as a primary show, as opposed to the B-show it had to become later. At a critical moment when Nitro needed more focus to get their audience back, the decision was made to split their attention.
@DevilTakeMe WCW Saturday Night was the primary show before Nitro. Worldwide never was anything because WCW had no clue how to do syndication, unlike McMahon, so it never got distribution. Neither of those shows ever made $ or else Nitro would not have been invented. Thunder was NEVER going to be the primary show. It was going to be the B show for the WCW wrestlers who were not part of the 100 man NWO roster. Thunder was a flop, but had nothing to do with Nitro or WCW failing as a whole.
@MRobert21 It wasn't quite like that. But again, like you said, some wrestlers had it in their contract that they didn't have to work if they didn't want to, and so a few of them wouldn't work Thunder (*cough* Hogan). The nWo showed up a lot on Thunder, as did World Champions to defend their titles. But like I said, there was a lack of focus, extra expense and uneven writing between two shows that really did not help WCW at a time when they needed to regroup.
@DevilTakeMe Yes, it did work like that. In 1991 Lex Luger was WCW World champion and did not work half the year because WCW used up all his dates the first half of the year. All top WCW guys had limited dates, so they could not be used on house shows or secondary shows. NWO was on Thunder to launch it since NWO was all that got ratings and when NWO Nitro flopped they put NWO on Thunder. Thunder was gone long before WCW closed and was not important outside of being 1 of several failed shows.
@MRobert21 But you're telling me that Nitro's third hour wasn't really making money because the production cost of the third hour was too high. But Thunder was an entirely separate show until the last year, that cost 12-15 million a year to produce on top of Nitro's cost. I can't imagine the third hour of Nitro being as costly as an entirely separate two-hour "B"-show.
@DevilTakeMe The third hour of Nitro lowered the ratings and the advertising rates for the whole 3 hour show, which was the main source of income for the whole company in addition to the costs of filming it (such as that huge, ridiculous Tonight Show set Bischoff had for his long, boring, talk show segment). Thunder got extra rights fees from AOL / Time Warner and had its own ratings, advertising, and budget that had no effect at all on Nitro no matter how bad Thunder was doing on its own.
@MRobert21 Well, the point is that WCW as a whole was suffering because of decisions like this. Increase the 2 hour show to 3 hours, then tack on a second 2 hour show when you don't have the capacity to run five hours of programming a week, leading to overexposure of your top storyline and talent and turning your audience away. The NWO was already overexposed on Nitro. Putting them on Thunder, and then spending time talking about what the NWO did on the other show?
@DevilTakeMe I have nothing left to say to you about Thunder because I said all that needed to be said and Thunder did not kill WCW. WCW died because the tech boom went bust and AOL / TIME Warner lost billions in a single year. At the same time, TNT lost the over all cable war to USA for the top rated network as a whole. It had nothing to do with TBS or Thunder, which was long gone. WCW was losing $80 million WITHOUT Thunder and TNT was restructured with dramas to increase advertising revenue
@MRobert21 Number one, yes, TBS has to do with it, since Time Warner owns and operates both TNT and TBS. The final nail in WCW's coffin was that all WCW programming (both Thunder and Nitro, plus the C-shows) were all pulled from both stations at the same time by Time Warner management. That meaning Bischoff's attempted buyout of WCW would have been meaningless, he'd own the company, but he would have no time slots to show his product. Instead, WWFE bought it for well below it's price.
@DevilTakeMe Even when WCW had a good show, WCW would lose $. WCW would pay minor celebrities like Jay Leno and Dennis Rodman, big $ to work shows that would have sold well any way. WCW would not sell expensive ringside tickets as WCW would instead stupidly comp all their ringside seats to have their own talent sit ringside on pay per views. Why charge a rich guy to sit front row, when you can have Buffy Bagwell sit front row for free instead. It is just a miracle WCW did not die any sooner.
@MRobert21 Right and then WCW was simply trying to throw money at all the problems they were having - wrestlers with guaranteed contracts, signing "celebrities" left and right in bids to draw higher ratings. That, on top of having just about the entire roster present at almost every show was basically just throwing their money away.
Then, of course, someone had the bright idea of cutting their costs (and revenue) by shortening their program from 3 hours to 2...
@DevilTakeMe The highest paid WCW contracts were contracted directly to AOL / Time Warner as "Personal Services To Mister Ted Turner" contracts instead of to WCW directly. This was done as an accounting trick to make it seem like WCW was losing less $ than it really was and talents wanted it to ensure their contracts would be paid out after WCW went bust, as it did. TNA does the same thing currently with all their big $ contracts being directly paid by Spike network or Panda Energy.
@H83tr3d You are 100% right, Bischoff told Fat Tony over the head set to say this about Foley as it was not Fat Tony's idea. Fat Tony was a lousy announcer who did not care what he was doing for his last decade in WCW after WWF tossed him out, but Fat Tony did not kill WCW. It was Bischoff's stupid stunt to give away WWF results, but it never helped WCW any and eventually hurt WCW badly here. WCW was always too worried about what WWF was doing rather than promoting what WCW was doing.
Schiavone spoiling Foley's match had the opposite effect of what Bischoff intended. A very huge portion of WCW's tv audience actually changed the channel to see Foley become the WWF World Heavyweight Champion. So, brilliant move there, Bischoff. You are a fucking genius. Oh, and when I say genius, I really mean sorry son-of-a-bitch.
According to Mick, TOny was ordered to say that by Bischoff. Didn't know he did it twice on the same night though. So the same night, Foley wins the title from the Rock, and then you have the finger poke of doom. What would you watch?
@Swazi4 Actually, I and a lot of people watched both, which is what killed WCW. Fat Tony said Foley puts butts in seats. I and a few hundred thousand people switched channels and saw Foley win a great main event. We then all switched back for the Nitro over run with Finger Poke Of Doom, which took place after the Raw title switch. I watched Finger Poke Of Doom after having seen the great Foley match and I never watched another second of WCW television until the day that WCW crap died in 2001.
Did he just announce that mick would win the title before it even happend? like bischoff telling people the results and shit before it happend? if so thats a douche move.
@Neomac316 Michael Cole is a WAY better announcer than Fat Tony Shillvonne, and I heard Fat Tony when he was almost good way back in the 1980's. Hence why Cole has been in WWF for 14 years now and Fat Tony only lasted in WWF for 1 year, though McMahon was desperate for Fat Tony to replace Gorilla Monsoon because Monsoon had cancer. Cole's call on this Foley title win that put butts in seats was an all time great call as Cole told the match story, told Foley's life story, and ripped on WCW.
@MRobert21 Cole was better when he was trying to be less of an antagonist. Now as a heel IMO he's somewhat distracting and takes away from the natural Lawler/JR chemistry with their 3 man team. I just want him to shut up and let Ross call the show. But yeah your right everyone is better than Shiavone. Cole is underrated when he isnt trying to annoy us. But for Shiavone to replace Monsoon? No chance. When WCW had Tony, they should have fired him and let Mike Tenay or Scott Hudson call the show.
@Neomac316 Smarks have been pissing and moaning about Cole since 1997 no matter what he was scripted to do on the show, which is why he was turned heel. Michael Cole is just a television character portrayed by actor Michael Sean Coulthard. If he is annoying you that is good because that is what he is scripted to do, just like he used to be scripted to be a wimpy nerd face on screen. Ross is so old and crippled he should not even be on the show any more, buut McMahon keeps giving in to the smarks
@Neomac316 Mike Tenay sucks. Scott Hudson was good, but has a real job in security that pays him way more than wrestling ever could, which is why he did not want to work for WCW or WWF full time. Fat Tony Shillvone was supposed to replace Monsoon since Monsoon was sick, but he stunk his 1 year in WWF. Then, Ross was supposed to replace Monsoon, but kept getting himself fired. That left McMahon and occasionally a very ill Monsoon to do most of the 1990's WWF announcing until Ross stayed.
And yeah, that was a royal fuck up on WCW's behalf. I never watched WCW, but I have friend who did and almost all of them said that they had intended to watch the WCW's main event, but upon hearing that Mankind was going to win they thought, "Really? Man, I gotta see how that happens!" and changed the channel! Some never even bothered changing back to WCW, and those who did got to see the Fingerpoke of Doom, which pissed them off even more XD
I always hated tony , never liked him , even worse goes for larry , what a dumb twat that guy is , mike was boring , weazle was two faced and often times seriously Dumb...so I hated wcw commentary . but I liked Nitro
@BijjalyGas I wish the fans or who ever else had destroyed WCW 2 years earlier. Damn WCW was dead by 1999 any way, but it lingered on until 2001. If WCW had died before Wrestlemania 15 instead of Wrestlemania 17, then we could have had the Brain and Gorilla on air together to call 1 last match at Wrestlemania 15. Brain and Mean Gene were great at Wrestlemania 17, but I just wish Monsoon could have been there with the Brain instead, how ever Monsoon died while WCW was wasting Brain's time.
What funny is they dumb asses made Schiavone say it twice... They made me change the channel that night... Then I flipped back for the fuckin finger poke of fuckin DOOM!!!!!!
Yes! You finally got your hands on a clip you've waited months and years for, but could have easily found on YouTube and edited and posted at any time! Good on you!
If you ask me, McMahon should have sent Bischoff a fruit basket to thank him for the ratings spike they gave him.
tony is nothing but a spoiler but then again look where he is now under a rock somewhere while wwe had and always will have better announcers besides wwe has better superstars then tna and wcw put together so to all you tna fans put that in your pipe and smoke it
some more reasons should include mysterio getting unmasked (pretty much a big f you to the luchador wrestling, the shockmaster (self explanatory), halloween havoc 98 where they were cut off the air, kevin nash as a booker, having the hogan/goldberg match on nitro not on a ppv, using wwe's unwanted talent over their own w/ the exception of sting and goldberg, not only jericho and the radicalz jumping ship but hhh, austin
@Chris6869 Not just Mysterio getting unmasked, but Juventud Guerrera and Psychosis as well. Bischoff was going nuts spitting on Mexican tradition. I'm surprised La Parka, The Villanos, Super Calo and Ultimo Dragon among other masked men didn't suffer the same fate those 3 did.
I don't think the ever infamous "Fingerpoke of Doom" title match between Hogan and Nash in the main event of this episode of Nitro didn't help matters much for WCW on that night either. Good thing WCW gave away free tickets.(Allegedly)
@TheLeofacter Firing Austin in itself was not a reason WCW failed. Austin in 1995 was a generic, blonde, roided, heel, and not the superstar Stone Cold force that McMahon created and was drawing huge in 1998. Austin got himself fired from WCW on purpose because his pal Jim Ross promised to get him in WWF. The truth all finally came out when Austin did the same thing in WWF in 2002 and took his ball and went home. Austin refused to show at WCW tapings to do promos, so Bischoff fired Austin.
I remember that night, as soon as they said that I switched to Raw, and I liked it so much I never switched back. Thank you WCW for making me a full fledged WWE fan. Morons.
@OakRaider13 how is telling your viewers what is going to happen on another station creative? Its stupid. There were WCW fans that watched WWE(F) and vice versa. Just like today with TNA. It was arrogant and dumb and it back fired.
@GurahkWeavile Unmasking Mysterio was stupid, but did not kill WCW. People think of Mysterio as the tremendous draw and top talent he is in WWF today, but in WCW he was another anonymous jobber Mexican cruiser weight. As Bobby Heenan said, why hire 100 Mexicans when WCW could have hired 1 Mexican and bought him 100 masks because all the Mexican cruiser weights were the same. Mysterio unmasking means zilch now because McMahon rebuilt Mysterio and made people forget how WCW buried Mysterio.
A big reason why they failed. They kept tellin the audience what happens on Raw, figuring that no one'd watch it, cuz Raw was a taped show at the time.
@GurahkWeavile Telling the audience what was going to take place on Raw never helped WCW and generally made no difference except for this night when it really hurt WCW. Most WWF and WCW viewers were loyal to their particular company and only a minority were channel flippers. Hence when WCW died their audience did not go over to WWF, they just quit watching wrestling. Bischoff was worried about trying to steal the WWF audience, but from 1993 - 1997 WWF had nothing to steal, so he was a boob.
another reason why wcw is because they fired stone cold steve austin instead of using him at his true potential fuckin idiots
kjkjkjkjkjize 1 day ago
Tony is friend with Mick Foley. HE really didn't want to say this but Eric made him
ecwecwecw1 3 days ago
@ sweetpetergeda I understand they using Daniel wrong but I think that if they going to give him the title, you and I know if you look at all of world champions, you know that being all the past champions had that swag, that charisma. Just watch any of the raws or smackdown shows when his music plays and he comes out you'll notice no cheering from noone, nobody standing. They need to use him better than what they doing now.
MrBlockice22 1 week ago
you know back then i couldnt see it like that being a big wcw fan, because of sting and goldberg, and i never real liked foley, as a world champion, but now when i look back it doesnt make sense because that was something new and something you couldnt believe was gonna happen so that made it fun. i hate to say it, but i think wcw's main event that night was sting vs. hogan again, even tho i enjoyed that back then, it was old by that point when you think about it from a business point.
sweetpetergeda 1 week ago
biggest mistake eric bischoff made when he told schiavone to reveal what happened minutes before raw started. this same night was that "finger poke of doom" angle and the tide had turned for the monday night wars.
xxgothikpunk666xx 2 weeks ago
Foley's shout out to his kids at the end was the best :)
EnigmaDrath 2 weeks ago
New Reasons why TNA is failing!
VintageRKO 3 weeks ago
that raw crap is still taped
jmoney31705 1 month ago
(Read below first) the start of the fall. They had guys who were willing to work and put on amazing matches and they never pushed them. If they did, the push would be dropped when they constantly changed bookers. Even with Bischoff in charge, no one knew what was going on from one week to the next. Bret Hart said that 30 seconds to air one night, they never had a main event planned. #1 reason why WCW died? They were clueless from day one and Vince McMahon knows wrestling. Their bosses never did.
batmanjwo 2 months ago
@batmanjwo The only reason why WCW got better ratings than WWF was because WCW had all of the former WWE stars. Vince was a pure genius. He made nobodies like Undertaker and Austin to main event level status. Something that WCW will never accomplish.
ultragarrison 1 month ago
I changed the channel. I remember that night vividly. The WCW match sucked. However, WCW died, in my eyes, LONG before they started to even challenge the WWF. In the late 80s/early 90s, they had an absolute ton of wrestling talent. The Steiners, Flair, Sting, Luger, and the Road Warriors were at the top of the card. However, they had Zenk, Austin, Pillman, Eaton, Armstrong, all great workers, ready to move up the card. Ole and Bill Watts buried all of them. They didn't see talen which was....
batmanjwo 2 months ago
bullshit Nitro was beating Raw during this time
Nation4202007 2 months ago
@Nation4202007 Got proof of this?
Elmo187 2 months ago
@Nation4202007 Not at this point. WCW lost the lead in the summer of '98. THAT was largely responsible for the drop that followed.
fatmanfiftythousand 2 months ago
the attitude era fans were the best fans in the history of professional wrestling.
fyi wcw fans sucked. they are just plain boring
Sensui01 2 months ago
make the ones with why is wwe falling
xmarmalade 3 months ago
Its funny because WCW was actually winning the ratings that night til he said that! Shame! I miss WCW still though!
TheArtistV1 3 months ago
January 4, 1999 - everything on that night was the reason WCW failed, because they shot themselves in the ass
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@parkesc21 Yup. WCW knew for a week Mick Foley was gonna win the WWF title (and so did a lot of other people in fairness, but it still didn't stop people from changing the channel). And the best WCW could come up with was "The Fingerpoke of Doom" to put the title back on Hogan (if I remember, in the same building he lost the title in six months earlier). Yeah, that worked out well. *shudder*
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Unfortunately Schiavone...That put butts on the seats :D
Reuelboyi95 3 months ago
So Mick Foley won the WWE Title fair and square, on the same day that Hollywood Hogan beat Kevin Nash for the WCW Title by the use of a fingerpoke. Tough choice which one was better booked. :/
ojiisanhikui 3 months ago
@ojiisanhikui Fare and square? You mean scripted and staged.
Anarchist86ed 3 months ago
@Anarchist86ed I was actually referring to a clean finish as opposed to a "Dusty" finish, but point conceded.
ojiisanhikui 3 months ago
I want to say the ratings showed that shortly after Schiavone made that remark 300,000 people switched from Nitro to Raw.
Glassjoesjawful 3 months ago
@Glassjoesjawful It was actually 600,000
Jasonxknot 1 month ago
Love these videos, but I've been through 12 and have yet to see biggest reason they failed. The Yetti! lol
stringfellowhawke247 3 months ago
@SuperMas16 I'd like to make one soon for the loyal subbers but I'm running out of ideas and don't know how to show certain things, i.e AOL/Time Warner
KennedyMrKennedy 4 months ago
@KennedyMrKennedy
In the case of AOL Time Warner, you can still use The Rise and Fall of WCW documentary, just like how you did Russo...
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@KennedyMrKennedy NEW project today Why WWE is failing.
#1. PG
#2. John Cena
#3. phasing out cruiserweight division
#4. watering down tag division
#5. Mr Kennedy released
#6. bringing back ECW and turning it GAY instead remaking the ORIGINAL ECW.
BijjalyGas 1 month ago 10
@BijjalyGas wwe was failing way before kennedy
MrHorrorfilmfanatic 3 weeks ago
@BijjalyGas
I disagree with the PG thing. PG was there wayyyy before the Attitude Era. If u had Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, HBK they would make it better because they can sell it. PG was on SmackDown forever. Look back at the old WWE shows. It was PG. Mr. Kennedy release? PLEASE. John Cena is not the reason they are making tons of money with him. Do research. The creative team should be #1
mistanderson 2 weeks ago
Not to mention that none of the superstars got that charisma like any of the legends have. Like shawn michaels, Stone cold, the rock, HHH ect. Daniel Bryan as one your champions are you kidding me, no charisma at all!!!!
MrBlockice22 1 week ago
@MrBlockice22 hey wait now, daniel bryan aka bryan danielson from roh(ring of honor) and voted like pound for pound best wrestler in the world like two years in ago a few years ago(look it up)is the real deal as champion. i cant believe wwe gave him the title, but the way the use stars like him is what makes him look bad. i mean wwe is competing with ufc in some kind of way, so they need guys who can really carry the titles who can really wrestle. everything cant be entertainment lol
sweetpetergeda 1 week ago
@BijjalyGas why does everybody keep hating on cena, he really anit the worse champion in history lol but i do agree with the tag team thing and ecw thing, now the ecw thing was a complete fuck up thats why i always tell ppl dont act like wwe has never pulled any "what the fuck they doing moments" lol
sweetpetergeda 1 week ago
@KennedyMrKennedy I know another reason why WCW failed. When DX's "Suck It!" and Scott Halls "Down Here" catchphrases were hot WCW made Hall tone it down and wouldn let anyone do anything badass like hat. Even Norman Smiley had to quit doing his ass slapping thing in the ring. If you wanted to go up against the wwf attitude, you had to bring it big time, not some watered down good ole boy bullshit.
ColdBloodedBastard 1 month ago
I remember when I was watching Nitro with my friend who was a big fan of WCW.
When we heard that Foley was going to win the title, I was thinking "No, That would not happen!"
After a while, My friend got bored. Then we changed the channel and watched RAW instead.
When Foley won the title and I was like "HOLY SHIT!!! HE WON?!?!?"and my friend was like "How did WCW know this was going to happen?"
Regemgadevideos 4 months ago 4
Biggest bitch move on a wreslter show ever, and it backfired. Served them right. I remember the night Foley won the title for the first time, why? Because I was watching the WWF and not this shit. I just about exploded with joy when Mrs Foley's baby boy won the big one. It was a fantastic moment in wrestling.
ArctheDark 4 months ago
lol iron sheak fuck
rcd2c2 4 months ago
When you look back on it. This was Eric Bischoff's idea. Boy didn't it backfire big time. Raw went ^ Nitro went downhill. The Nash/Hogan match on that same Nitro worse match for a Main Event in WCW history.
MrLaneSir 4 months ago
This was also the night you had the famous poke of doom. What would you rather watch 2 great wrestlers that could wrestle and entertain. Or 2 wrestlers that couldnt work and was just stale.
therock19 4 months ago
A quarter million people changed channels almost immediately, didn't they?
ChefRappa 5 months ago
@ChefRappa Over twice that, actually. 600,000 people.
DevilTakeMe 4 months ago
lmao@ price is right DENIED sound on 2nd rate WcW announcers
Jayin302SCSAfan 5 months ago
@advocate319 All the guys in that Raw main event, put my butt in a seat, not just Foley. In that 1 match you had Foley, Rock, Austin, McMahons, Corporation, and DX. WCW had the has beens I was sick of in the 1980's like Hogan, Flair, Steroid Steiner, et cetera. I was a Foley fan until his first fake retirement in 2000 and lost all respect for him after that including his pathetic stint in WCW 2.0 (TNA). Still it was a historic and feel good moment when Foley won the title, the opposite of WCW
MRobert21 5 months ago
@PepticNightmare Really, WCW never beat WWF, except in the Monday Night ratings. Every other measure of business including secondary show ratings were always won by WWF. The war was over in 1997 and the top WCW guys like Flair, Hall, Nash, and Hogan knew it, so they were trying then to jump back to WWF. Kevin Sullivan told Chris Jericho in 1997 that WCW was a sinking ship and Sullivan was the head WCW booker. Hogan begged Jericho in 1999 to take Hogan with him to the WWF when Jericho left WCW
MRobert21 5 months ago
nice touch with shinedown.
sheamus316 5 months ago
In all your lists, you forgot to add WCW had terrible theme songs for their wrestlers. Compared to WWE wrestlers. For example, Hogan had a better theme song in WWE than he did in WCW and this was before Hogan had the nWo theme song. Chris Jericho had a much better theme song in the WWE than he did when he wrestled in WCW.
schooltrashers 5 months ago
@schooltrashers Part of -that- problem is that there were over a hundred guys on WCW roster (most of whom had to show up) - so, everyone had to get a theme song (usually getting the "Jimmy Hart" version of popular songs) and some got stock music. On the other hand, Jim Johnston made theme songs for individual wrestlers, and thus his workload wasn't so big and could focus on themes that worked for the wrestler.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe
Good point.
schooltrashers 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe By 1999 the number of guys actively working on WWF television was the same or more than the number of guys actively working on WCW television, so number of talents is not a reason. WWF has 1 of the most successful music producers in history in Jim Johnston who finds each talent the right music whether he makes it himself or they cub contract to outside bands. All WCW had for their few new original tracks was Jimmy Hart whose music career died in 1960 and geezer bands like KISS.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@schooltrashers Chris Jericho talks about this in his first book. If you were not a big $ contract guy brought in from WWF, then WCW did not give a crap about your music or gimmick. Jericho's WCW theme was stock music from the Turner library that Turner used to play for basketball highlights, unlike in WWF. Real American, Hogan's WWF theme, was actually written for Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo, but Hogan stole it when Survivor sued WWF over using their song from Rocky 3, Eye Of The Tiger.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21
Figures WCW would make stupid decisions like that. They relied more on former WWF talent than they did with their own talent.
schooltrashers 5 months ago
@schooltrashers There really were almost no WCW guys as their top guys were all has beens stolen from WWF and their under card were all young guys stolen from ECW, Japan, Mexico, et cetera. McMahon figured out in the 1980's with The Wrestling Album and Pile Driver that producing music not only helped talent and prevented paying rights fees, but it was an incredible source of income as well. WCW was clueless on how to make $ even when their company was briefly hot from 1996 - 1998.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 WCW considered itself part of Turner Broadcasting, and therefore, didn't really think they needed to make back the money it was spending. Turner was making money everywhere else, so Bischoff and company were basically allowed to spend more than they were making through ridiculous "guaranteed contracts."
How bad did it get? Some wrestlers were contracted directly to TBS, not WCW, so for years after WCW folded, Time Warner was still paying many WCW wrestlers.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe WCW was a private subsidiary of the public corporation AOL / Time Warner after AOL bought Time Warner, which had previously bought out Ted Turner, who first acquired WCW in 1989 from the Crockett Family. Of course, WCW needed to make $, WCW just was always inept at it, unlike WWF. WWF made $ off DVD's / home video, advertising, sponsorships, investors, internet, live events, pay per view, merchandising, and many other ways WCW never did even when WCW was popular.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Right and then WCW was simply trying to throw money at all the problems they were having - wrestlers with guaranteed contracts, signing "celebrities" left and right in bids to draw higher ratings. That, on top of having just about the entire roster present at almost every show was basically just throwing their money away.
Then, of course, someone had the bright idea of cutting their costs (and revenue) by shortening their program from 3 hours to 2...
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe WWF had guaranteed contracts too by then. The problems with WCW contracts were they paid the same whether or not the talent worked, they gave most talents creative control over their characters, and they were for limited dates and once the talent worked all the dates in the contract, then they could not be forced to work any more. Nitro should NEVER have expanded to 3 hours. The third hour increased costs and did not provide extra revenue or ratings, so that hour got axed.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 The difference being that WCW wasn't really competing by then. They had overspent themselves by so much in '98 and '99 and botched up their product that it lost it's appeal, and never recovered, despite having the largest roster of any company at the time. They had moved out of the head-to-head prime time slot and moved to an 8 PM- 10 PM slot, unopposed for the first hour. And still they never recovered.
I think the real mistake was WCW Thunder, but for the same reason.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe WCW was ALWAYS a horribly mismanaged company even back when the Crocketts owned it, which is why Mama Crockett said enough and sold it off. WCW ALWAYS was worried about trying to compete with WWF and not just focusing on what WCW was doing. Except for 1997 and 1998 WCW lost tens of millions of $ every year after Turner bought WCW in 1989. Roster size does not make a good product. Thinder was no more a mistake than saturday Night, Worldwide, or any other failed WCW secondary show.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Saturday Night and WorldWide had been the primary shows for WCW for a good while before Nitro came along. And then they became C-shows that helped out new talent, which wasn't a bad idea. Low production costs with a good return.
Thunder, on the other hand, was built up at the start as a primary show, as opposed to the B-show it had to become later. At a critical moment when Nitro needed more focus to get their audience back, the decision was made to split their attention.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe WCW Saturday Night was the primary show before Nitro. Worldwide never was anything because WCW had no clue how to do syndication, unlike McMahon, so it never got distribution. Neither of those shows ever made $ or else Nitro would not have been invented. Thunder was NEVER going to be the primary show. It was going to be the B show for the WCW wrestlers who were not part of the 100 man NWO roster. Thunder was a flop, but had nothing to do with Nitro or WCW failing as a whole.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 It wasn't quite like that. But again, like you said, some wrestlers had it in their contract that they didn't have to work if they didn't want to, and so a few of them wouldn't work Thunder (*cough* Hogan). The nWo showed up a lot on Thunder, as did World Champions to defend their titles. But like I said, there was a lack of focus, extra expense and uneven writing between two shows that really did not help WCW at a time when they needed to regroup.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
I take that back, Hogan did work Thunder.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe Yes, it did work like that. In 1991 Lex Luger was WCW World champion and did not work half the year because WCW used up all his dates the first half of the year. All top WCW guys had limited dates, so they could not be used on house shows or secondary shows. NWO was on Thunder to launch it since NWO was all that got ratings and when NWO Nitro flopped they put NWO on Thunder. Thunder was gone long before WCW closed and was not important outside of being 1 of several failed shows.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 But you're telling me that Nitro's third hour wasn't really making money because the production cost of the third hour was too high. But Thunder was an entirely separate show until the last year, that cost 12-15 million a year to produce on top of Nitro's cost. I can't imagine the third hour of Nitro being as costly as an entirely separate two-hour "B"-show.
So I'm kind of confused what you're saying.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe The third hour of Nitro lowered the ratings and the advertising rates for the whole 3 hour show, which was the main source of income for the whole company in addition to the costs of filming it (such as that huge, ridiculous Tonight Show set Bischoff had for his long, boring, talk show segment). Thunder got extra rights fees from AOL / Time Warner and had its own ratings, advertising, and budget that had no effect at all on Nitro no matter how bad Thunder was doing on its own.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Well, the point is that WCW as a whole was suffering because of decisions like this. Increase the 2 hour show to 3 hours, then tack on a second 2 hour show when you don't have the capacity to run five hours of programming a week, leading to overexposure of your top storyline and talent and turning your audience away. The NWO was already overexposed on Nitro. Putting them on Thunder, and then spending time talking about what the NWO did on the other show?
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe I have nothing left to say to you about Thunder because I said all that needed to be said and Thunder did not kill WCW. WCW died because the tech boom went bust and AOL / TIME Warner lost billions in a single year. At the same time, TNT lost the over all cable war to USA for the top rated network as a whole. It had nothing to do with TBS or Thunder, which was long gone. WCW was losing $80 million WITHOUT Thunder and TNT was restructured with dramas to increase advertising revenue
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Number one, yes, TBS has to do with it, since Time Warner owns and operates both TNT and TBS. The final nail in WCW's coffin was that all WCW programming (both Thunder and Nitro, plus the C-shows) were all pulled from both stations at the same time by Time Warner management. That meaning Bischoff's attempted buyout of WCW would have been meaningless, he'd own the company, but he would have no time slots to show his product. Instead, WWFE bought it for well below it's price.
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe Even when WCW had a good show, WCW would lose $. WCW would pay minor celebrities like Jay Leno and Dennis Rodman, big $ to work shows that would have sold well any way. WCW would not sell expensive ringside tickets as WCW would instead stupidly comp all their ringside seats to have their own talent sit ringside on pay per views. Why charge a rich guy to sit front row, when you can have Buffy Bagwell sit front row for free instead. It is just a miracle WCW did not die any sooner.
MRobert21 5 months ago
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@MRobert21 Right and then WCW was simply trying to throw money at all the problems they were having - wrestlers with guaranteed contracts, signing "celebrities" left and right in bids to draw higher ratings. That, on top of having just about the entire roster present at almost every show was basically just throwing their money away.
Then, of course, someone had the bright idea of cutting their costs (and revenue) by shortening their program from 3 hours to 2...
DevilTakeMe 5 months ago
@DevilTakeMe The highest paid WCW contracts were contracted directly to AOL / Time Warner as "Personal Services To Mister Ted Turner" contracts instead of to WCW directly. This was done as an accounting trick to make it seem like WCW was losing less $ than it really was and talents wanted it to ensure their contracts would be paid out after WCW went bust, as it did. TNA does the same thing currently with all their big $ contracts being directly paid by Spike network or Panda Energy.
MRobert21 5 months ago
i remember when this happened wcw was facepalming afterwards because everyone said OMG Switch to usa and boom the ratings switched
TheRagev3 5 months ago
You already showed this clip in you third "reason".
cstring420 5 months ago
WTF ARE THEY SEROUIS......
THEFRESHISHERE 5 months ago
@THEFRESHISHERE They did this every damn week until Raw became a live show!!
GurahkWeavile 5 months ago
Actually , Bitchoff is to be blamed for this blunder ...
H83tr3d 5 months ago
@H83tr3d You are 100% right, Bischoff told Fat Tony over the head set to say this about Foley as it was not Fat Tony's idea. Fat Tony was a lousy announcer who did not care what he was doing for his last decade in WCW after WWF tossed him out, but Fat Tony did not kill WCW. It was Bischoff's stupid stunt to give away WWF results, but it never helped WCW any and eventually hurt WCW badly here. WCW was always too worried about what WWF was doing rather than promoting what WCW was doing.
MRobert21 5 months ago
Schiavone spoiling Foley's match had the opposite effect of what Bischoff intended. A very huge portion of WCW's tv audience actually changed the channel to see Foley become the WWF World Heavyweight Champion. So, brilliant move there, Bischoff. You are a fucking genius. Oh, and when I say genius, I really mean sorry son-of-a-bitch.
TheVinTybulBand 6 months ago
GDYS!
666deadman1988 6 months ago
According to Mick, TOny was ordered to say that by Bischoff. Didn't know he did it twice on the same night though. So the same night, Foley wins the title from the Rock, and then you have the finger poke of doom. What would you watch?
Swazi4 6 months ago
@Swazi4 Actually, I and a lot of people watched both, which is what killed WCW. Fat Tony said Foley puts butts in seats. I and a few hundred thousand people switched channels and saw Foley win a great main event. We then all switched back for the Nitro over run with Finger Poke Of Doom, which took place after the Raw title switch. I watched Finger Poke Of Doom after having seen the great Foley match and I never watched another second of WCW television until the day that WCW crap died in 2001.
MRobert21 5 months ago
Did he just announce that mick would win the title before it even happend? like bischoff telling people the results and shit before it happend? if so thats a douche move.
notrollable 6 months ago
Tony Schiavone.....Worse than Cole.
Neomac316 6 months ago
@Neomac316 Michael Cole is a WAY better announcer than Fat Tony Shillvonne, and I heard Fat Tony when he was almost good way back in the 1980's. Hence why Cole has been in WWF for 14 years now and Fat Tony only lasted in WWF for 1 year, though McMahon was desperate for Fat Tony to replace Gorilla Monsoon because Monsoon had cancer. Cole's call on this Foley title win that put butts in seats was an all time great call as Cole told the match story, told Foley's life story, and ripped on WCW.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Cole was better when he was trying to be less of an antagonist. Now as a heel IMO he's somewhat distracting and takes away from the natural Lawler/JR chemistry with their 3 man team. I just want him to shut up and let Ross call the show. But yeah your right everyone is better than Shiavone. Cole is underrated when he isnt trying to annoy us. But for Shiavone to replace Monsoon? No chance. When WCW had Tony, they should have fired him and let Mike Tenay or Scott Hudson call the show.
Neomac316 5 months ago
@Neomac316 Smarks have been pissing and moaning about Cole since 1997 no matter what he was scripted to do on the show, which is why he was turned heel. Michael Cole is just a television character portrayed by actor Michael Sean Coulthard. If he is annoying you that is good because that is what he is scripted to do, just like he used to be scripted to be a wimpy nerd face on screen. Ross is so old and crippled he should not even be on the show any more, buut McMahon keeps giving in to the smarks
MRobert21 5 months ago
@Neomac316 Mike Tenay sucks. Scott Hudson was good, but has a real job in security that pays him way more than wrestling ever could, which is why he did not want to work for WCW or WWF full time. Fat Tony Shillvone was supposed to replace Monsoon since Monsoon was sick, but he stunk his 1 year in WWF. Then, Ross was supposed to replace Monsoon, but kept getting himself fired. That left McMahon and occasionally a very ill Monsoon to do most of the 1990's WWF announcing until Ross stayed.
MRobert21 5 months ago
lol the damn sound effects he puts in these vids are hilarious
strrb75 6 months ago
all schiavone did was make them want to watch RAW more lol
PhoenixDarkWWA4 6 months ago
What song is this? It's awesome.
FireFightWrestling 6 months ago
@FireFightWrestling Shinedown - Sound of madness
KennedyMrKennedy 6 months ago
@KennedyMrKennedy
Thanks, I'm subscribing waiting for your Why TNA failed videos.
This last video really summed up wCw for me.
TheOfficialiKON 6 months ago
the horrible music you added ruins this video but thanks for uploading it i guess
xseedcore777x 6 months ago
Foley's shout out to his kids was the best.
And yeah, that was a royal fuck up on WCW's behalf. I never watched WCW, but I have friend who did and almost all of them said that they had intended to watch the WCW's main event, but upon hearing that Mankind was going to win they thought, "Really? Man, I gotta see how that happens!" and changed the channel! Some never even bothered changing back to WCW, and those who did got to see the Fingerpoke of Doom, which pissed them off even more XD
EnigmaDrath 6 months ago
i can't help but noticed that you stated that TNA would compete with WWE 11 years later
when really it was no compatition
WWE kicked there ass back to thursday nights after liek 2 moths
hanmerboys 6 months ago
"that'll sure put some butts in the seats." Yeah it did and over 600,000 viewers switched over to watch it,idiot.
SSj5Alan 6 months ago 2
I always hated tony , never liked him , even worse goes for larry , what a dumb twat that guy is , mike was boring , weazle was two faced and often times seriously Dumb...so I hated wcw commentary . but I liked Nitro
legionofwarriors 7 months ago
the FANS destroyed WCW by changing the CHANNEL.
BijjalyGas 7 months ago
@BijjalyGas I wish the fans or who ever else had destroyed WCW 2 years earlier. Damn WCW was dead by 1999 any way, but it lingered on until 2001. If WCW had died before Wrestlemania 15 instead of Wrestlemania 17, then we could have had the Brain and Gorilla on air together to call 1 last match at Wrestlemania 15. Brain and Mean Gene were great at Wrestlemania 17, but I just wish Monsoon could have been there with the Brain instead, how ever Monsoon died while WCW was wasting Brain's time.
MRobert21 5 months ago
ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW!
Coolbird00 7 months ago
What funny is they dumb asses made Schiavone say it twice... They made me change the channel that night... Then I flipped back for the fuckin finger poke of fuckin DOOM!!!!!!
Ftw23 7 months ago
@KevServo You can't get footage of Mankind vs Rock during that match from youtube because it is banned genius. WWE wont allow it.
Pfield82 8 months ago
Shiekey Baby!
MrRayge82 8 months ago
so pretty much the announcers got bored of watching wcw so they talked about wwf
and how mik will win
haiemye 8 months ago
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2011mrkingofkings 8 months ago
Yes! You finally got your hands on a clip you've waited months and years for, but could have easily found on YouTube and edited and posted at any time! Good on you!
If you ask me, McMahon should have sent Bischoff a fruit basket to thank him for the ratings spike they gave him.
KevServo 8 months ago
tony is nothing but a spoiler but then again look where he is now under a rock somewhere while wwe had and always will have better announcers besides wwe has better superstars then tna and wcw put together so to all you tna fans put that in your pipe and smoke it
TheCeltic91 9 months ago
How about Hulk hogan as one of the reason why wcw failed
MrRodnac 9 months ago
some more reasons should include mysterio getting unmasked (pretty much a big f you to the luchador wrestling, the shockmaster (self explanatory), halloween havoc 98 where they were cut off the air, kevin nash as a booker, having the hogan/goldberg match on nitro not on a ppv, using wwe's unwanted talent over their own w/ the exception of sting and goldberg, not only jericho and the radicalz jumping ship but hhh, austin
Chris6869 9 months ago 5
@Chris6869 Taker, Kane too.
hgntyruionghif 9 months ago
@Chris6869 Not just Mysterio getting unmasked, but Juventud Guerrera and Psychosis as well. Bischoff was going nuts spitting on Mexican tradition. I'm surprised La Parka, The Villanos, Super Calo and Ultimo Dragon among other masked men didn't suffer the same fate those 3 did.
NightRanger71379 3 months ago
This was so stupid by WCW...
FrazAFC94 9 months ago
I don't think the ever infamous "Fingerpoke of Doom" title match between Hogan and Nash in the main event of this episode of Nitro didn't help matters much for WCW on that night either. Good thing WCW gave away free tickets.(Allegedly)
texans420 9 months ago
reason number # 13 they fired stone cold
TheLeofacter 9 months ago
@TheLeofacter Firing Austin in itself was not a reason WCW failed. Austin in 1995 was a generic, blonde, roided, heel, and not the superstar Stone Cold force that McMahon created and was drawing huge in 1998. Austin got himself fired from WCW on purpose because his pal Jim Ross promised to get him in WWF. The truth all finally came out when Austin did the same thing in WWF in 2002 and took his ball and went home. Austin refused to show at WCW tapings to do promos, so Bischoff fired Austin.
MRobert21 5 months ago
I remember that night, as soon as they said that I switched to Raw, and I liked it so much I never switched back. Thank you WCW for making me a full fledged WWE fan. Morons.
MultiJfletch 9 months ago 4
I remember this. I changed the channel over to Raw because WCW was talking about it.
DustinKingFilms 10 months ago 3
Tony Schiavone was right - Foley's world title win DID put butts in the seats.
pcmarriotthk 10 months ago 37
Mick Foley put my ass in that seat.
DrGnockerz 10 months ago 3
Lol I didn't think this was a "reason WCW failed" I actually thought it was a creative way to keep people watching nitro instead of raw.
OakRaider13 10 months ago
@OakRaider13 Yeah, but instead it was a shot on both their feet
jerudoriginal91 10 months ago 2
@OakRaider13 how is telling your viewers what is going to happen on another station creative? Its stupid. There were WCW fans that watched WWE(F) and vice versa. Just like today with TNA. It was arrogant and dumb and it back fired.
wesv71 7 months ago
Reason #13: Rey Mysterio unmasking
GurahkWeavile 10 months ago 2
@GurahkWeavile You mean Rey Misterio Jr. Luchador unmasking rules meant he had to slightly alter his name so he could re-mask himself ^^
ReloadPsi 10 months ago
@GurahkWeavile Unmasking Mysterio was stupid, but did not kill WCW. People think of Mysterio as the tremendous draw and top talent he is in WWF today, but in WCW he was another anonymous jobber Mexican cruiser weight. As Bobby Heenan said, why hire 100 Mexicans when WCW could have hired 1 Mexican and bought him 100 masks because all the Mexican cruiser weights were the same. Mysterio unmasking means zilch now because McMahon rebuilt Mysterio and made people forget how WCW buried Mysterio.
MRobert21 5 months ago
nWoWolfpacTV WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
TheMrzeusw2345 10 months ago
A big reason why they failed. They kept tellin the audience what happens on Raw, figuring that no one'd watch it, cuz Raw was a taped show at the time.
GurahkWeavile 10 months ago 3
@GurahkWeavile --Actually then Raw was taped every other week, so it was live one week then taped the next week.
DPEART6475 7 months ago
@GurahkWeavile Telling the audience what was going to take place on Raw never helped WCW and generally made no difference except for this night when it really hurt WCW. Most WWF and WCW viewers were loyal to their particular company and only a minority were channel flippers. Hence when WCW died their audience did not go over to WWF, they just quit watching wrestling. Bischoff was worried about trying to steal the WWF audience, but from 1993 - 1997 WWF had nothing to steal, so he was a boob.
MRobert21 5 months ago
SIZE DOES MATTER BITCH! xD
RatedRCheese 10 months ago 24
@RatedRCheese lol!!!!!!!
TheLegendkiller2100 5 months ago