Debate Canceled, how about next Sunday? Or how about a Virtual Debate?

[may141986]

Cspan is covering this debate that is to be held tomorrow night in Washington according to the website Free & Equal. Chuck Baldwin & Ralph Nader are confirmed.

vote Chuck Baldwin for real Change.

[representativepress]

I added a new video about the debate tonight.

[bionicmisfit]

Who "canceled" the debate at Columbia U. and why?....

[may141986]

The debate was rescheduled to take place tomorrow night in Washington. I emailed all news media about covering this. Currently only PBS responded I gave them a contact name and have yet to hear if they will be attending. You can listen to this debate live on rtrradio . com will air it live on the Internet and Radio. Thats all I know for now.

Constitution Party Chuck Baldwin 08 he is even indorsed by Ron Paul.

[semiliteratedgod]

Chomsky: In swing states vote Obama without illusions!!

/watch?v=kNpNzDoH1II

[joopq]

stop bitching and comlpaining about presidents. the public isnt who decides about presidents. once you realize that the better. stop trying to reform preseidential selections, your not gonna get it. obama will win, so what. mckkney would be nice but its a dream. you have to have the media to be able to have a president elected by us. and we dont. rep press is lookin like a dis info agent. 9/11 was NOT masterminded by bin laden!

i dont see how rep press can suggest so

[BonzoGal1980]

Hey Rep, is there any particular reason your videos are flanked by a McCain/Buckshot Barbie ad?

[oldhacks]

christ they cant get nothing right

[ChannelMikeG]

It seems like these third-party candidates are trying to prove that they're not even worth a protest vote.

[jedberten]

I dont know what the FCC laws and statutes are. But I suspect theres probably something in there about serving the public good.

Why havent some of these candidates gone to the supreme court? Because corporate media is hiding their candidacy from the public. This HAS to a violation of something.

[Cellularwakeup]

As a member of the public I just want to say that I am aware of all of these candidates and have decided that none of them have what it takes to get more than 5 percent of the whole united states. they are great at putting issues to the front but they can't get to the big show. They have no one to blame but themselves. IF your a progressive vote for Obama don't waste your vote and put McCain and Palin in the White house. OBAMA!!!

[oldhacks]

Why do you want to live under a dictator instead of in a free nation?

[Cellularwakeup]

Your question seem to come from somewhere far across the Universe can you place it into some reference point that makes sense? I have not advocated living under a dictatorship anywhere at anytime. I am a left wing progressive. I would favor someone like Dennis Kucinich for President. No longer in the running. I do not favor any fundamental changes to the Constitution, I favor a strong shift of the Democrat base to the left. The country is moving in that direction. OBAMA!

[oldhacks]

so you'd prefer a Kucinich dictatorship over any other king? You'd prefer Kucinich to be in absolute authority over you and your neighbors? You'd prefer Kucinich to make all the tough decisions for you? you'd prefer to have the entire country ran under a Kucinich administration? why dont you want to be able to vote With Dennis? instead of just FOR.

[rickyricardo21]

it's awesome that the guy talking sounds like Aaron Russo, bless his soul.

I also want to see Alan Keyes in this. That's the real guy who "Joe the Plumber" talked about.

[PeterSodhi]

"When will people realize the Democratic and Republican parties only exist to divide and confuse the voters, and are no longer truly separate parties" - never - the people will always be ruled. "A boot stamping on a human face forever" - Orwell.

[Cellularwakeup]

If I ran for congress tomorrow as a Dem/Rep/other, after I am elected is there a secret "boot stamping on face" school that they send me to? Will I go to secret New World Order camp for congress? Or will I simply be forced into endless compromises that essentially leave no one feeling pleased? Will I really be working for the secret Government who will force me to cast their votes as they please? Is it the Commies or the NWO that will give me my orders?

[oldhacks]

if you ran for congress you'd immediately have to raise millions of dollars from special interest groups for ads on tv/internet/radio. then once you're elected you'd have to return the favor. Its a corporate dictatorship and all I hear people arguing about is who will make a better dictator rather then really talking about What We Can Do About It. which is NOTHING until we demand the right to Vote with congress on federal laws. 120,000,000 people cant be bought out as easily as 500 can.

[americanillusionist]

when are people going to realize that the third party is a complete sham created to disrupt the democratic and republican parties?

[representativepress]

americanillusionist, "disrupt" WHAT? Their criminal actions?

[drbroccoli1]

Sham? In a way. But not to disrupt. You have no choice. The 3rd party is no more a sham than the 1st or second...

[Cellularwakeup]

I don't believe that third party movements are a complete sham. Just this one. A coherent third party can rise on a sound platform, that can have a valid shot at the Presidency. This party will have to begin by not being a political party. This group will have to have a strong leadership. When the time is right and they have the numbers, than they make a move. An uncoordinated bunch of unconnected indy's are as you imply - wasted votes. They are a fragmented opposition. Very untogether.

[americanillusionist]

here's the problemm: corporations own this country. democrats and republicans are products of this corporation. 3d party candidates tell what is really wrong with america, and their ideas of repairing america often conflict with the intervention of big business making profits. that is bad for business. big business allows 3d partys to exists because it allows the mainstream to vent their frustrations with the government. big business would never "allow" a 3d party in the presidential seat.

[Cellularwakeup]

Assume for a moment that Nader actually won. So Nader is in the White House facing a congress split dems and rep's, and maybe a few indy's. Bills are going to orig in congress, Nader can do what? Veto them? Does he have enough support to override his veto? Other option he can rule by Presidential Order, and if he faced stiff opposition in congress  he would be quickly impeached with no party support. The problem is Americans get what they want and right now they want what they have.

[americanillusionist]

the presidential elections have reached fraud of epic proportions. the elections are fraudulent and manipulative so that a candidate favored by big business can slip through the cracks and into the white house. there's a clip on youtube you should view. its called "stealing america vote by vote" i cant find the whole movie, but look for the 8 min clip. there should be enough info to see for yourself.

[may141986]

Vote absentee ballot if your district isn't using paper ballots. I retain a copy of my ballot. Have you seen Murder, Spies & Voting Lies, the Clint Curtis story? See link tv for next air date.

Go Chuck Baldwin 08 Constitution Party for me.

[Cellularwakeup]

I still will vote obama and hope that it is a clear win, an overwhelming win, and I hope a house and senate that is democrat rolls in with him, an overwhelming majority. Control of both houses, and a couple of Supreme court appointment to boot. Goodbye Bush, Goodbye republicans. Step to the left and happy to be there. Bring the troops home and close down all the bases. Rebuild America with that man power. The manufacturing base needs to be rebuilt as well. Overhaul the monetary system.

[oldhacks]

you're not just voting for Obama. you're entrusting your future and your freedom with his administration. wHEN will the informed Americans start talking about standing up for our OWN right to vote on legislation? its now or never

[Cellularwakeup]

Please explain your reply. What do you mean by my "own right to vote on legislation?"

[oldhacks]

I mean whats so great about congress? How come we cant vote on our own laws as a country? Why do we have to rely on crooked politicians to write the laws for us? it clearly says "WE THE PEOPLE" well We're "THE PEOPLE" so how come we cant just VOTE on shit instead of having to call crooked congressman to beg them over the phone to vote for us the right way? IT STUPID. we should just be allowed to vote on our own damn laws. its as simple as that.

[Cellularwakeup]

Well you are advocating doing away completely with one branch of Government which throws the Constitution out the window. That is a pretty big step to tackle. I don't know if I have the time to read all those bills to pass before I vote using my TV Remote control. I mean between work and youtube, I don't think I have time for a pure democracy so I vote to keep the Republic. Go OBAMA!!!!

[oldhacks]

im not advocating abolishing the constitution. just amending it so that we can have a say in how we live our lives and how our tax dollars are spent. it says in the constitution "We the People" not the mention the fact that the reason why they left us out of the constitution was to preserve slavery and maintain an elite base. You're looking the wrong way in who you ought to be fighting. Congress is just doing what congress does. Play politics and you're expecting them to act noble.

[Cellularwakeup]

Doing away with a branch of Government is a bit more than an amendment. Eliminating Congress would completely change our form of Government and do away with the Republic and the President would be Emperor. I don't expect congress to act noble. I do expect them to do what their constituents want. After Obama and the democrats rumble in with a super majority let's see what happens. Vote Obama!!!

[oldhacks]

you dont have to do away with congress. Just amend the constitution so that we can make laws as a people too in partnership with our elected officials. then they can start calling US and begging US to vote the right way instead of all of us having to call them and beg them. whats so hard to understand about living under a government thats actually ran by "we the people", You're insisting on remaining powerless. You want to just keep electing politicians and expecting not to get screwed.

[Cellularwakeup]

Actually you are advocating a fundamental change to our system of Government. Which you now say is to amend the constitution so that we directly make laws in partnership with congress. So as this is your idea, Please explain it further. After all this is your idea. So exactly what is this amendment? How am I going to partner with congress? What will the new role of congress be under your new system? How do you amend away the role of congress, how will you get 2/3 of the states to pass this?

[oldhacks]

not at all. 24 states/the majority of Americans live by their own laws at the state and local level. There's no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to interact with congress at the federal level. What's so special about Congress other then the fact they're untouchable? WHy should they remain untouchable if all they ever do is screw us over?

[Cellularwakeup]

What do you mean by "interact with congress at the federal level" be specific please. What do you mean by untouchable? what change to you propose? All AMERICANS live by laws at the state and local level - We also all live by federal laws. What change to you specifically propose? I am trying to follow your train of thought here so try not to be so opaque.

[oldhacks]

VOTE. dont just give your right to vote away to crooked politicians that are telling you what you want to hear.

"All AMERICANS live by laws at the state and local level - We also all live by federal laws."

we dont have any say what so ever in Washington DC besides who we pick to RIP US OFF. What the hells the point in shaking hands with someone you KNOW is going to rip you off?

[americanillusionist]

#1. the senate has been democratic for 2 yrs.

#2. obama has had no major accomplishments.

#3. obama's campaign is "change". there are no plans under obama that utter "change".

#4. democrats and republicans are just about the same. the're slaves to corporate finance

#5. illinois is one of the 30 states under recession. illinois has a huge defecit crisis. obama is senator of illinois.

#6. obama has socialist ideals which is as far away as we can get from the constitution.

[Cellularwakeup]

And therefore as you forget about the Republican administration that has been in power for 8 yrs, the reverse socialism of bailing out big business and banks, and the failure of deregulation, failure to proceed on working toward sustainable energy, or acting on Global warming, war debt out of control, and a war that never ends, and the last two years with not enough of a majority to overturn vetoes, what is it you propose? McCain? or a useless third party vote?

[americanillusionist]

voting is a representation of your personal faith in an official who will head this country. since democrats and republicans have sold out the taxpayers for thier own peronal career goals thus turning their back on the american people, i wont vote (at all) because i feel that is how i am representing that i am fed up with government officials in their entirety. it was clinton who signed legislation for deregulation, and bush who over spent on the war on iraq putting us in bankruptcy

[Cellularwakeup]

Deciding not to vote at all shows that you do not see any difference between McCain and Obama. That is your choice to register that the system does not work. I believe that their is a difference between Obama and dems and republicans. I am excited about seeing Obama roll in with dominance in both houses of Congress and the ability to appoint a couple of supreme court justices. I am happy to see a swing to the left. Always step left and hit the pocket. I know where I stand.

[oldhacks]

You're the one that's deciding not to vote at all. You're advocating giving the right to vote on laws to crooked politicians in congress that are only there to represent the business community. I'm advocating that we start demanding the right to vote on LAWS instead of just voting on individuals to vote and write up laws FOR you.

[MrSkeptical101]

@oldhacks

so you advocate a direct democracy!

[oldhacks]

@MrSkeptical101 ummmmmm.. YEA?!

where you been? I'm "mr. direct democracy".

ask around

[MrSkeptical101]

@oldhacks great. its a shame most americans don't participate in politics as much as they use to. this is of-course a generalization nut on average few will know about it others will not even dialogue about it.

[adzerbano]

avirtual debate is ridiculous!!! how stupid can ya be, IF YU HAVE A VIRTUAL DEBATE THE CANDIDATE HAVE PLENTY OF HELP FROM THEIR STAFF TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER. THE QUESTION MIGHT AS WELL GET ASKED TO SOME "YES" MEN WHO'S JOB IS TO MAKE THE CANDIDATE LOOK GOOD!

[Twirly60]

Why bother to vote,the outcome will be the same,Obama Mc Caine,both support the war,both voted for the bailout,if you want change,VOTE NAIDER

[dudeedud7]

I agree that Obama=McCain, however, you must VOICE your opinion, which is your vote, that you do not accept their agenda but rather support an alternative. It's pretty simple. Yeah, Nader is a perfect alternate choice.

[IneptTroopr]

Your vote is only the first step to change. In a two-party system electoral politics are much less important than grassroots organization and action

[DaHighTower]

i'm not sure but i do like apples

[elimisteve]

According to miamiherald . com /news/politics/AP/story/729321 . html Cynthia McKinney will be there virtually, Amy Goodman is confirmed as moderator, and Nader is "optimistic" about being there. We'll see.

[rumpelstillskin65]

my senator mitch mcconnell voted yes bailout and he has lost my VOTE here everyone else needs to do the same find out who your congressman and senators are and vote them out get a sign for who is running agianst them put it in your yard and lets vote these crooks out of office and dont forget OBAMA / MCCAIN WHO BOTH VOTED FOR IT ( VOTE THIRD PARTY)(VOTE NADER)a vote for nader is a vote NO for new world order

[CAZ3126]

Americans need to give up..sorry to say but you guys have no say in your country

and your election winner has already been decided by the puppet masters

[boumar19721972]

I know there puppets because when they turn around you can see the wrists of the puppet master up there asses. It's not a democracy it's a corporatocracy.Whatch zeitgeist:addendum on google movie.

[CAZ3126]

democracy..the word that blinds the public..there's communist countries with more democracy

[AnyeongF91]

WTF??

[MasterMark123]

why on earth was it canceled ???? it just supports the notion , that a 3rd party is unobtainable when the freaking thing is not even worth going through.. BAD MOVE PEOPLE !

[osjord]

a war can never be wun

[Snowflake70]

COP OUT! ______Delay Tactic! NADER MUST strike the Iron while it's hot...hesitation now will be devistating and we could loose the war! There is NO TIME TO WASTE

[Qbeck01]

list

[sniper6081]

Why would he prefer the internet over television?

[AssilemakaMelissa]

pssh. I'm still voting 3rd Party. I woke up and so can the rest of America. It is sad but other countries are more aware of how corrupt Obama and McCain are than most of my fellow Americans. Don't believe me? Just ask anyone here online from any other country and they will tell you.

w w w . votenader . o r g

[salim201]

nice work, thanks for the upload

[drdalet]

And just as I hoped the USA was a democracy after all ......

Well, it isn't of course.

[TiradeFaction]

You know, it's going to be harder for people to take third parties seriously if they can't even come together for a debate. I realize this certain debate notice was given notice less week before it's event date, but still...

[rodneykingstrikesbck]

Yeah right, just like that.. Hocus Pocus... That's fantasy world crazy talk man... Just like your belief that Osama Bin Laden was personally responsible for 9/11 and the Bush Admin had no idea, it just so happens that they picked the very same day to run terrorist attack drills in NYC ;) Get real my man.

I know they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but come on...

Time to wakee wakee.

[iMBBonlyone]

actually, now we know one CAN teach old dogs, and humans, new tricks.

so they have no excuse.

maybe not a double-whammy-roundout but a little herkimer would be nice.

[toiluopbruce]

If the 3rd parties want to get more exposure they should make this happen!

[larma7]

I KNOW!!! I'm really discouraged by all of this! Where's Nader???

[larma7]

Damn, this is sad.

[elvis32z]

Damn, that sucks. I was looking forward to that.

[asperin]

Voting 3rd party is not taking a vote from Obama, is taking a vote from the NWO.

Don't force people to vote for your puppet Obama because when we asked you to join us for real change you followed the pack of sheep that does what is typical. You want to be a groupie? be it, we wont.

[Yankhadenough]

asperin It's imperative that we do not throw caution to the wind this election, we MUST defeat Mccain and the Neocons. Even Pat Buchanan says Mccain makes Cheney look like Ghandi. We need to stand in SOLIDARITY for Obama, voting for Nader is no better than trolling for Mccain.

[asperin]

Voting for Obama is voting for McCain and vice versa.

They do not have PERSONAL ideas when it comes to their policies. They do not have an agenda other than the same.

They are both bringing the same chaos but in different ways.

If America wants the NWO and is not ready, they will choose Obama, making the NWO come slower. If they are ready for the NWO they will choose McCain and the NWO will come faster. They have backups upon backups.

[Yankhadenough]

asperin "Voting for Obama is voting for McCain and vice versa." This is a complete fallacy, Obama and Mccain are totally apart in philosophy. Mccain wants to continue the Bush Doctrine forever ad nauseum, Obama wants to stop it, not in its tracks as fast as you would like maybe, but in a reasonable timeframe to allow for the least loss of life of our American soldiers. Obama wants to tax the wealthiest, Mccain wants to tax health care ! There's more huge differences, not enuf room here.

[asperin]

Taxing the wealthiest means nothing when you will keep their main corrupt enterprise alive, the IRS.

Keeping troops overseas, going into Pakistan and increasing the number of troops in Afghanistan is not changing any current policy.

Keeping the Patriot Act alive, which he voted for, FISA alive which he voted for, is not a change of current policies.

Not ending the corrupt war on drugs is not change.

So it is not up to me to give my personal opinion, his history speaks for itself.

[bagboygooch]

They both want big government, they both voted for the bailout, they won't return the Federal Government to it's constitutional sizes. They are the same on all the things that matter. The issues are meant to make you think they are different, but which one wants to lower the size of government and protect individual liberty?

[asperin]

They are scared of 3rd party candidates because their puppets, Obama and McCain can't debate anything, when asked about any particular subject they just repeat a line of their written speeches they've memorized.

[loveualatte]

I say Paul ... and although it wasnt publicized here, there was a russian report that Paul is still on the ticket, so Ive heard

[FartheadOgre]

why did they cancel? goddammit.

[linusgreen]

They should all just sit around a bigass table with a moderator (like the Canadian ones), and make a webcast.

[ejbh3160]

Of course the other two were never going to appear in front of cameras and have to declare what they think about this or that issue next to Nader & the other candidates; that would've been too much of a give-away!

The corporate candidates are in a protective bubble now. They will be so (mis)'guided' & (ill)'advised' by others that the chances of them appearing in a full debate so close to polling day was probably never on the cards anyway.

60% don't vote. All it takes is for people to VOTE!

[Quindal]

the debates don't matter, the fascist government has already chosen obama as their champion for the next 8 years.

Obama will usher in the next level of fascism and it's unfortunate that people are still sitting around debating a two party system when it doesn't have anything to do with the gov at hand. It's a distraction.

We all need to stop fighting each other and start fighting the enemy. No, not the imaginary one in Iraq. The very real one which has invaded our government; Bildeburgs.

[lookingforghosts]

that sucks I was really looking forward to it

[Ponerology]

That would explain why all the candidates went to the AIPAC conference. Maybe they did the real election there.

[RevolutionaryJam]

What they could do is take footage from the "official" debates where each of the two corporate candidates answer, and then splice in each of Nader, Barr, Baldwin and McKinney's resonses to the same questions! that would go down well on googlevideo or sumit!

[nowellian]

All six candidates are invited to Debate Sunday Oct. 19th @ 8pm EST on C-SPAN!

[agitcam]

Barr and Nader should find a way to debate in person. Or Nader should debate Ron Paul on the issues. Outline the issues they agree on with their solutions - debate the issues they disagree on. People will watch it, it will become a ritual for third parties and it can be measured.

[auamoti]

nuuuuuu i pneeeed this debate to happen

[ball4thegame]

oooh virtual debate sounds like a really good idea. i think that could work really well

[ElCapitan1985]

fuck it. I'm writing in Ron Paul. I knew they wouldnt allow the debate to go on.

[Socksee]

It's the candidates that decided not to participate, so Columbia University Had to cancel. And it seems the only candidate willing to debate was Ralph Nader.

[ElCapitan1985]

did they say why? they must not be trying very hard to win. I still am writing in Ron Paul, he's the only one who deserves a vote. peace.

[TheGreatWorker]

what a waste. vote for nader, someone who's actually running and has been fighting for freedom since 1965.

[ElCapitan1985]

I dont care who you vote for as long as its not Obama or McCain. Ron Paul is 100% my choice because he agrees 100% with what I believe. He's a Jeffersonian, we may never get the chance to vote for someone like him ever again.

[TheGreatWorker]

ron paul isn't even running for president anymore!! he's already conceded. wait til 2012 to vote for ron paul.

[loveualatte]

I think that was the plan to begin with. Take a disgusting excuse for a human being and build him up to be the Messiah. Then make his opposition the LEAST likely accepted Republican you can find, so the Republican vote will be divided, and the racist, baby killing, bible hating anti-christ obama wins by default. If all else fails, they can always vote for dead people again. God help us all!

[Rahab111222]

Racist bible hating baby killing anti christ?

Oh God, you superstitious types sure are funny.

[loveualatte]

(eye roll)go play in traffic. (hows that? better?)

[Rahab111222]

Take your own advice, kid.

[loveualatte]

42yr old kid ... you betcha! Christ keeps me young!

[qtonic]

If by young you mean thinking like a child...

[berrypievision]

Oh wow, canceled?

[dandaman2206]

How did I figure we were gonna get stuck with voting for Obama or McCain because of No debate...If they would have it on CSPAN lots 0of people would watch and probably get more voters.

[representativepress]

Tell others about Nader, show them the Nader videos. We don't have to vote for the two headed snake which big media is trying to sell us.

[madebutante]

Yay! Nader can be in this very important debate!