hello and greetings, i enjoyed your video, i have studied under Kyoshi Mike Klier here in Arizona. Though I am only a yellow belt here,(lost my job so financially my income is barely nothing) I do plan to continue my martial arts studies at a later date. I still practice Wansu and the first 4 Taezu Naru Waza I am proud to have choosen the Shuri Ryu system. I looked at a lot of other systems before picking Shuri Ryu. thank you again for your video and blessings to you sir.
This syle of okinawan karate is really something. I like it. I trained in Okinawan Kenpo created by Sensei Seikichi Odo. Sadly he passed away in 2002. His spirit lives on though in all who trained under him.
These looked like the ones I have learned up until number 4. The punch sequence and yama shuto are different. Also, in number 5, the x block comes up with a double crane before doing the snake strikes.
Oddly, 6 was the same.
7 looked completely foreign to me, but I just recently learned it and I have learned a lot of things recently so I am not surprised.
8 though 11: beyond me at the moment.
I always like watching different styles for the difference in forms.
I studied Shorei under Trias for a year '66=67 at the Mcdowell ave dojo. Bob Bowles was there at the time. We learned a few of the taezus.........After we moved from Phoenix. I never found another dojo where true okinawan karate was taught. I'm sure there were some, but not within my area....So . unfortunately my training subsided to a memory.
@eb641 if u don't mind me asking, who are you by the way, you can send me a message so no one can see your name, because my grandfather started with Trias back in'65...
On my channel i have Sensei Mark Neutzman 4th Dan vs Sensei Knighton 4th Dan Both trained DIRECTLY with O'Sensei Trias under Stan Hillhouse 6th Dan. I trained with all three men. very painfull and very rigorous.
@nandansho, you just reminded me of what O'Sensei Trias said.... "One out of five hundred students who walk through that door (dojo), will make it to black belt". In days of past, training was (and still should be) rigorous and 'weaklings' dropped out. Only those with serene determination stayed in and survived to reach that esteemed rank. Today, hah!, sensei are tolerating slackness in skill and promoting students by the dozens to shodan. Money money money. It is a shame, agree?
@Shoreihito Thats Something Sensei Neutzman always said..I was one of 4 Blackbelts he promoted in his 20yrs of teaching. I came up the accelerated way if I won forms and Fighting I'd get a promotion. For my sho dan I had to fight Both those guys you see on my page fighting koshiki + 3 other Brownbelts. Pete Rabino influenced Stan Hillhouse greatly. I was able to attened a Seminar At Mike Walls Dojo with Oyata for Tui te.
@nandansho, That's great to hear that the old school of 'blood-sweat-tears' still does exist here and there. And here's to Taika Seiyu Oyata... he is a phenomenal man. I have enjoyed the attending of many of his seminars. Amazing the power from such the small, unassuming gentleman that he is. The Ryukyu kempo - tui-te - kyushu-jutsu connection really shines a strong light on how our kata interprets. Love it! Hope you are still training, keep up the good work man.
@Shoreihito I am Shuri to my bones constant training Katas Bunkai, Makiwara( trees)
Speed Drills etc. My Sensei's are getting old. I play at Mike Wall's school once in a while. Mike Klier is also a great Shuri Sensei in Phx. i've fought a couple of his Guys and Johnny Linebarger's students as well.I hope to see you at a USKA Tournament maybe Nationals or World. BTW look at Hsing yi sparring on youtube it looks EXACTLY like spar night between Shuri players. Tong Gee Hsing taught O'Sensei well
I guess Hanchi Trais, must have changed some movements in the system s , with Shorei ryu and Shuri and the students who hung around the dojo learned what he was teaching at that time, not saying that it was wrong,movements are the same some just perform them different. He was the Master and could do what ever he wanted. Taezus are one of my favs. thank you for posting.
because these are Chinese and are done for continuous motion with speed and fluidity with in the bound of form, one breath, no. 8 movements 4 and 5 chudan and hook punch are simultaneously
very good no. 9 taezu . I was tuaght in the hombu dojo in phoenix,( no. 9 has a )on strong attack, a left open hand downward block, like a swin kake, than right high block followed by 2 high than low punches, step back left low block , is this correct Sir?
Is, no 11 , step back, left jodan, left maewashi suki, step forward with right hiza , right rising punch , right ura, Double snake eyes, right kick, step back left gedan?
yes, Mr. Biszans, explained to me that there was an 11th but O'sensi Trias took it out , it was too much like no.6 , Now you say there is a 12th. what is the bunki ?
The disposed #12 is just like # 9, but with 4 low punches and 4 high punches. It is refered to as "the one with all the punches". No wonder it was omitted as well.
I am now yodan and I am still missing the 11 th taezu, continuous motion techniques , in close fighting, chinese tode meaning fist techniques. I going to have to ask my sensi Tony Bisanz to see if he knows about no. 11
Bisanz sensei was with the Trias Shorei-ryu back in the day and would likely know that O'sensei Trias had both an eleventh as well as a twelth Taezu. When the days of restructuring came, he (Trias) reduced the Taezu Naru Waza down to just the ten as we know them today. Eleven and twelve are just for the past and are not part of any requirement. Museum pieces if you could say. I did not include #12 in this run and still wonder why I did #11. It did stir up some replies though. Arigatou.
am i missing an 11 taezu? Master Trias was my sensi up to purple belt , then he past ( rest in peace O'sensi) I never herd of a no. 11 in our system who's idea is this, there is only 10 taezu Naru wazas in the shuri ryu system.
Excuse me for asking, only 4 kyu in shuri-ryu - but i kind of sense some stops and pauses in the taezus - and my sensei taught me to try to move all the time (continually, because pauses would affect overall speed when speeding up the taezus), even though doing it slowly - guess Im just trying to learn more - can anybody expand on this?
Yes, we strive for continuous motion. With power being exemplified, we do tend to distort the continuity in movement. If the technique was delivered without as much power, we would have a blur in technique. As a means of instruction for the technique being used, the taezus being performed here were more on the power edge versus being as fluid as they could have been. Good eye.
I am told that they are Goju-ryu in origin and may likely to be from Charles Iverson sensei.
I am assuming that your Shuri-ryu there is from Wendi Dragonfire's Shu-ha-ri line. Is that so? She is an early Trias Dojo student now residing in The Netherlands.
It is true, there is a stronger presence of Shorei-ryu stylists in Chicago, as there are a few dojos there, and also up the road in Racine and Kenosha, Wisconsin. Yes, in general, they are more open-tournament-minded.
How come that Shuri-Ryu is often called Okinawan Shuri-ryu and not American Shuri-ryu. It's a very well documented style, but somethings are very odd to me.
1. Wunsu is trained together with Enpi-sho. Normally this is considered one kata in Okinawa with Enpi being the name given by Funakoshi Sensei.
Good questions indeed. With the 'obscure' beginnings of Shuri-ryu, O'Sensei Trias certainly was titled as the father of American karate. Our system pulls from it's Okinawan roots, though there is muddy water' in the history as to whether it 'officially started in Okinawa or not. O' Sensei Trias was definitely clever, no doubt about it. As for Wunsu and Empi kata, there are similarities and Isshinryu has both (Motobu Choki influence). As for Funakoshi, he is more attributed with Japanese karate.
Karl, this brings back memories. I think you won first place in kata every competition in which I ever saw you. You have that crisp sound and appearance that can't be faked. It's great to see you're still at it. Keep it up.
hello and greetings, i have been practicing Shuri Ryu Karatedo her ein arizona for awhile now it is a slow work in progress, but i love it and train when i can, though i may loose both my job i will find a way to continue my trainging. Yellow belt right now, I goals is to continue to train regardless of the color belt. thank you for so much for posting this video a big help as well
this is my style of karate----and is one of my senseis who lives in N. Carolina. Remember I mentioned ipongs (there are 26 of them) and taezus (there are 11 of them), this is what I meant. These are lethal attacks when used in the street.
Whats the differnce between shuri-ryu to shorei-ryu?
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Frantyx 3 months ago
Could you make a video of naihanchi step by step
crazyhole1002 7 months ago
hello and greetings, i enjoyed your video, i have studied under Kyoshi Mike Klier here in Arizona. Though I am only a yellow belt here,(lost my job so financially my income is barely nothing) I do plan to continue my martial arts studies at a later date. I still practice Wansu and the first 4 Taezu Naru Waza I am proud to have choosen the Shuri Ryu system. I looked at a lot of other systems before picking Shuri Ryu. thank you again for your video and blessings to you sir.
hanno21664 9 months ago
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This syle of okinawan karate is really something. I like it. I trained in Okinawan Kenpo created by Sensei Seikichi Odo. Sadly he passed away in 2002. His spirit lives on though in all who trained under him.
yahooman64 1 year ago
Very nice videos you have....I study Shuri-Ryu under Sensei Mike Castro 3rd Dan, who studies under Hanshi Robert Bowles...
musictommy 1 year ago
@musictommy , thank you friend!
Shoreihito 1 year ago
lol. I remember my class mates and I used to play games with these to see who could do them the fastest. Great times with #4
joshjuba 1 year ago
These looked like the ones I have learned up until number 4. The punch sequence and yama shuto are different. Also, in number 5, the x block comes up with a double crane before doing the snake strikes.
Oddly, 6 was the same.
7 looked completely foreign to me, but I just recently learned it and I have learned a lot of things recently so I am not surprised.
8 though 11: beyond me at the moment.
I always like watching different styles for the difference in forms.
WaywardBrigand 1 year ago
I studied Shorei under Trias for a year '66=67 at the Mcdowell ave dojo. Bob Bowles was there at the time. We learned a few of the taezus.........After we moved from Phoenix. I never found another dojo where true okinawan karate was taught. I'm sure there were some, but not within my area....So . unfortunately my training subsided to a memory.
eb641 1 year ago
@eb641 if u don't mind me asking, who are you by the way, you can send me a message so no one can see your name, because my grandfather started with Trias back in'65...
Frantyx 3 months ago
On my channel i have Sensei Mark Neutzman 4th Dan vs Sensei Knighton 4th Dan Both trained DIRECTLY with O'Sensei Trias under Stan Hillhouse 6th Dan. I trained with all three men. very painfull and very rigorous.
nandansho 1 year ago
@nandansho, you just reminded me of what O'Sensei Trias said.... "One out of five hundred students who walk through that door (dojo), will make it to black belt". In days of past, training was (and still should be) rigorous and 'weaklings' dropped out. Only those with serene determination stayed in and survived to reach that esteemed rank. Today, hah!, sensei are tolerating slackness in skill and promoting students by the dozens to shodan. Money money money. It is a shame, agree?
Shoreihito 1 year ago
@Shoreihito Thats Something Sensei Neutzman always said..I was one of 4 Blackbelts he promoted in his 20yrs of teaching. I came up the accelerated way if I won forms and Fighting I'd get a promotion. For my sho dan I had to fight Both those guys you see on my page fighting koshiki + 3 other Brownbelts. Pete Rabino influenced Stan Hillhouse greatly. I was able to attened a Seminar At Mike Walls Dojo with Oyata for Tui te.
nandansho 1 year ago
@nandansho, That's great to hear that the old school of 'blood-sweat-tears' still does exist here and there. And here's to Taika Seiyu Oyata... he is a phenomenal man. I have enjoyed the attending of many of his seminars. Amazing the power from such the small, unassuming gentleman that he is. The Ryukyu kempo - tui-te - kyushu-jutsu connection really shines a strong light on how our kata interprets. Love it! Hope you are still training, keep up the good work man.
Shoreihito 1 year ago
@Shoreihito I am Shuri to my bones constant training Katas Bunkai, Makiwara( trees)
Speed Drills etc. My Sensei's are getting old. I play at Mike Wall's school once in a while. Mike Klier is also a great Shuri Sensei in Phx. i've fought a couple of his Guys and Johnny Linebarger's students as well.I hope to see you at a USKA Tournament maybe Nationals or World. BTW look at Hsing yi sparring on youtube it looks EXACTLY like spar night between Shuri players. Tong Gee Hsing taught O'Sensei well
nandansho 1 year ago
I guess Hanchi Trais, must have changed some movements in the system s , with Shorei ryu and Shuri and the students who hung around the dojo learned what he was teaching at that time, not saying that it was wrong,movements are the same some just perform them different. He was the Master and could do what ever he wanted. Taezus are one of my favs. thank you for posting.
screens50 1 year ago
because these are Chinese and are done for continuous motion with speed and fluidity with in the bound of form, one breath, no. 8 movements 4 and 5 chudan and hook punch are simultaneously
screens50 1 year ago
very good no. 9 taezu . I was tuaght in the hombu dojo in phoenix,( no. 9 has a )on strong attack, a left open hand downward block, like a swin kake, than right high block followed by 2 high than low punches, step back left low block , is this correct Sir?
screens50 1 year ago
thanks for posting. who is your sensi?
screens50 2 years ago
My sensei in Shorei-ryu/Shuri-ryu in Lorraine Lewis, hanshi. Her sensei were Robert Trias, O'Sensei and Charles Matthews (aka, Kale Makaio).
Shoreihito 1 year ago
Is, no 11 , step back, left jodan, left maewashi suki, step forward with right hiza , right rising punch , right ura, Double snake eyes, right kick, step back left gedan?
screens50 2 years ago
Yes, very perceptive.
Shoreihito 1 year ago
yes, Mr. Biszans, explained to me that there was an 11th but O'sensi Trias took it out , it was too much like no.6 , Now you say there is a 12th. what is the bunki ?
screens50 2 years ago
The disposed #12 is just like # 9, but with 4 low punches and 4 high punches. It is refered to as "the one with all the punches". No wonder it was omitted as well.
Shoreihito 1 year ago
I am now yodan and I am still missing the 11 th taezu, continuous motion techniques , in close fighting, chinese tode meaning fist techniques. I going to have to ask my sensi Tony Bisanz to see if he knows about no. 11
screens50 2 years ago
Bisanz sensei was with the Trias Shorei-ryu back in the day and would likely know that O'sensei Trias had both an eleventh as well as a twelth Taezu. When the days of restructuring came, he (Trias) reduced the Taezu Naru Waza down to just the ten as we know them today. Eleven and twelve are just for the past and are not part of any requirement. Museum pieces if you could say. I did not include #12 in this run and still wonder why I did #11. It did stir up some replies though. Arigatou.
Shoreihito 2 years ago
am i missing an 11 taezu? Master Trias was my sensi up to purple belt , then he past ( rest in peace O'sensi) I never herd of a no. 11 in our system who's idea is this, there is only 10 taezu Naru wazas in the shuri ryu system.
screens50 2 years ago
Excuse me for asking, only 4 kyu in shuri-ryu - but i kind of sense some stops and pauses in the taezus - and my sensei taught me to try to move all the time (continually, because pauses would affect overall speed when speeding up the taezus), even though doing it slowly - guess Im just trying to learn more - can anybody expand on this?
JCKHDK 2 years ago
Yes, we strive for continuous motion. With power being exemplified, we do tend to distort the continuity in movement. If the technique was delivered without as much power, we would have a blur in technique. As a means of instruction for the technique being used, the taezus being performed here were more on the power edge versus being as fluid as they could have been. Good eye.
Shoreihito 2 years ago
Taezu Naru Waza= Two man sparring speed technique.
prays2ce 2 years ago
Osu,
Do you know how Trias Sensei got Sanchin and Tensho kata? is that from Ken Knudsen Sensei?
Shuri-ryu is a strong style here in Denmark and I see them a lot at traditional tournaments. They do well.
I have seen Shorei ryu mostly around Chicago when visiting the States. It seems more open tournament minded than Shuri-ryu.
Regards,
Joshinkan 2 years ago
I am told that they are Goju-ryu in origin and may likely to be from Charles Iverson sensei.
I am assuming that your Shuri-ryu there is from Wendi Dragonfire's Shu-ha-ri line. Is that so? She is an early Trias Dojo student now residing in The Netherlands.
It is true, there is a stronger presence of Shorei-ryu stylists in Chicago, as there are a few dojos there, and also up the road in Racine and Kenosha, Wisconsin. Yes, in general, they are more open-tournament-minded.
In budo, Karl
Shoreihito 2 years ago
No it's Vitus Bilking 8th dan and student of Master Able. They have a big group in Denmark. I think that Dragonfire teach only women.
Thank you for the reply.
Lars Andersen
Joshinkan 2 years ago
I just replied but can't see it on the the reply board...
Joshinkan 2 years ago
Osu,
Very nice techiques!
How come that Shuri-Ryu is often called Okinawan Shuri-ryu and not American Shuri-ryu. It's a very well documented style, but somethings are very odd to me.
1. Wunsu is trained together with Enpi-sho. Normally this is considered one kata in Okinawa with Enpi being the name given by Funakoshi Sensei.
Joshinkan 2 years ago
Good questions indeed. With the 'obscure' beginnings of Shuri-ryu, O'Sensei Trias certainly was titled as the father of American karate. Our system pulls from it's Okinawan roots, though there is muddy water' in the history as to whether it 'officially started in Okinawa or not. O' Sensei Trias was definitely clever, no doubt about it. As for Wunsu and Empi kata, there are similarities and Isshinryu has both (Motobu Choki influence). As for Funakoshi, he is more attributed with Japanese karate.
Shoreihito 2 years ago
Karl, this brings back memories. I think you won first place in kata every competition in which I ever saw you. You have that crisp sound and appearance that can't be faked. It's great to see you're still at it. Keep it up.
GolferGuy99 2 years ago
hello and greetings, i have been practicing Shuri Ryu Karatedo her ein arizona for awhile now it is a slow work in progress, but i love it and train when i can, though i may loose both my job i will find a way to continue my trainging. Yellow belt right now, I goals is to continue to train regardless of the color belt. thank you for so much for posting this video a big help as well
take care friend,
blessed be
hanno21664 2 years ago
theres actuly 27 ipongs and i kno taezus 1-8
anthonyvaca 2 years ago
this is my style of karate----and is one of my senseis who lives in N. Carolina. Remember I mentioned ipongs (there are 26 of them) and taezus (there are 11 of them), this is what I meant. These are lethal attacks when used in the street.
BigBicepsMan 2 years ago