Secret Mormon Finances - Mormon Corporate Empire

[Zahav007]

I will no longer drink the LDS kool aid. as they drink it I will drink Iced Tea

[awolLDSasap]

Joseph was not Moses. The bofMormon is not true. Mormons are not a chosen people. Fleeing Nauvoo was not the exodus.

[sixtiesmusiconly]

Joseph Smith was a Mason. Ergo the mormon oath. Back then the Masons were not about to reveal their oath so Smith figured he could use it and not be challenged. Plus he was too stupid to write a new one.

[eternalloveabbie]

I AM SHAREING THIS VIDEO WITH ALL ALL ALL OF MY MORMON FRIENDS!!! THANK YOU

[VictorLepanto]

These boards, how are they different from the Sopranos & their "no-show" jobs? This stuff about a strictly amateur ministry is utterly bogus. If they were simply paid up front, it would be more honest. People can't devote their lives to an enterprise like this & still support themselves independently. Maintaining this hollow pretense is a lie.

[pierre777able]

@VictorLepanto ....You are just another Mormon apologist. It really is rather pathetic how you attempt to undermine the credibility of this ministry in this way. The LDS Church is, in your words, "a hollow pretense", based as it is on the lies of freemasonry.

[VictorLepanto]

@pierre777able: Do you know what the word "apologist" means? I find your post quite confusing. Do you think I was somehow defending the LDS Church here?

[pierre777able]

@VictorLepanto - Yep, I'm pretty clear on the term "apologist". I read your post as an attempt to undermine this mimistry - I can now see on re-reading that you were actually making comment on the LDS church. My sincere apologies.

[iwasmuted4]

@TheOutsider8900 The fact alone that you can't even spell "church" makes you sound like a dumb uneducated person. Why don't you do research on the mormon church and all other churches and see if you still think the mormon church is so sickening.

[balancex3]

wowee i had no idea the apostles are raking in the cash like that. i wonder if they give 10% too.

[awolLDSasap]

American freedom allowed the mormon church to survive and grow. Mormons do an about face and call the freedom in Christ a terrible idea because it destroys their false priesthood. They need manpower to survive.

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap "American freedom allowed the mormon church to survive and grow. " So is that why they were systematically, legally exterminated? Is that why they finally left the US, only to have Deseret, a land that they settled, taken from them by the US govt'? Is that why the men who killed Smith were never held responsible? Is that why even Pres. Lincoln gave them no help or suffrage during Gov. Bogg's extermination order?

[awolLDSasap]

@steve Brigham sent a courrier to DC to sign up 1000 men for military duty. Washington accepted 500. Brigham did this to finance his escape. Why didn't the remaining members flee? They were not breaking the law. The Battalion received no pay for the 2000 mile trek while their families lived in poverty. Brigham and his minions were fully responsible for all of the deaths after Nauvoo, "including Mountain Meadows". So 30 Mormons were killed verses 130 people killed by the Mormons? Stop the lies.

[awolLDSasap]

@steve Get your facts straight. Gov. Boggs repeated what Sidney Rigdon said in his speech. Rigdons speech said the church would "exterminate" the anti mormons. Systematic extermination? That is a blatant lie. Do you even know how many Mormons were killed in Missouri and Illinois, 20, 30? Brigham & the leaders feared they would be arrested for breaking the law by practicing polygamy and running a theocracy. Emma stayed behined with a portion of the church. Were they killled? NO.

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap "ov. Boggs repeated what Sidney Rigdon said in his speech. Rigdons speech said the church would "exterminate" the anti mormons. " Would you like to provide a source on this, taking context into account?

[awolLDSasap]

@stevejames1012 This wasn't a one sided war. Mormons attacked other settlers. SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Mormons today may not recognize the contradictory, sometimes violent early church of their ancestors depicted in a new book based in part on documents the church now keeps locked up. On 17 June 1838, first counselor Sidney Rigdon preached his 'Salt Sermon' as a warning that Mormon dissenters would 'be cast out and trodden under foot of men.'

[awolLDSasap]

Sidneys infamous "salt sermon" threatened the dissenters in June. Then on July 4, 1838, he warned that there could be "a war of extermination" against anyone abusing the Mormons. This was three months prior to the time Boggs issued his order. "it will be between us and them a war of extermination; for we will follow them until the last drop of their blood is spilled; or else they will have to exterminate us",,,, (BH Roberts, Michael Quinn)

[awolLDSasap]

Joseph Smith was cut from the same cloth.. Joseph Smith called David Whitmer a "dumb ass":

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap The quote you use by Rigdon is merely to define the amount of tension that was present. The saints and others were at a tipping point. If things continued as they were, it would have been a war. Guess what, the extermination order DID happen and had the saints not gone west, it is extremely likely that it would have become a literal war.

[awolLDSasap]

@stevejames1012 You didn't know that Mormons stole goods and burned homes? Stolen goods were kept at the Adomondiomon store house. Joseph was despised by the settlers. He was seen as a tyrant and his church had threatened the settlers. Josephs true identity was revealed in the Nauvoo Expositor. Years after the dust had settled a group of brethren traveled to Mt. Meadows. They tore down the United States Army built grave site, a cross and sign that said, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord".

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap Obviously the actions of many early saints were wrong. So were the actions of many non-mormon mobsters. The gov't should have intervened immediately and all of these things would have been avoided. Clearly, none of the murder on either side was justified, that doesn't change the fact that early mormons were denied constitutional rights and were persecuted since the beginning. This doesn't take into account the rapes, beatings, etc. dished out on early saints...

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap I don't understand what you are getting at with the battalion.

In regards to the Mountain Meadows Massacre, there were several factors that influenced that, including the belief that many of those in the party were the very mob that had persecuted the saints back east. Not that it was the right thing. Just tell me please, was there or was there not an extermination order against lds in Missouri?

[awolLDSasap]

@stevejames1012 Brigham Young used 500 men to finance the church leaders escape from the law. Emma wasn't threatened by the law. Part of the church stayed behind.

Boggs repeated the same words Sidney used. It doesn't matter if Sidney wasn't an elected official. Threats were equal on both sides. Even B. H. Roberts acknowledged that Joseph Smith himself approved of Rigdon's speech. Gov. Boggs and the state WERE threatened by Sidneys speech because Joseph had an army at his disposal.

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap Also, keep in mind that this was after years of persecution and attempts by the church to get the federal govt' involved for legal protection (which didn't happen). Everything that happened before and after the order were against the law and unconstitutional.

[awolLDSasap]

@stevejames1012 Joseph approved Sidneys Salt speech and 3 months later Boggs repeated it. Mormons - Hauns Mill 17, Missouri war 22, Crooked River 3, Joseph, Hyrum, Parley. Others - 1 Crooked River, 1 Hodge brother was killed with a bowie knife on Brighams porch. 2 Masons at Carthage and 120 people at Mountain Meadows. When the sign fell Brigham said "Vengence is mine and I have taken a little". Those are words of a Viper. By their fruit - self pity, bragging and lying for the lord.

[stevejames1012]

@awolLDSasap Like I said earlier about the salt speech. It was to define the tension that was present. Both sides were about to go to war. The saints had a militia because no one else protected them. Joseph was illegally tried, imprisoned and/or convicted several times. You can't ignore the obvious oppression just as I can't ignore the wrongful vengeance. Both were wrong. Both were perhaps driven by fear and both are grossly misunderstood, by LDs and non-LDS alike.