I Guess He Over-Used his Mangekyuu Sharingan... It makes his Body weaker and weaker, So That the Only Solution is to Have An Eternal Mangekyuu Sharingan !!
That's not nearly true!!!-I i reckon that Itachi is at worst in the same level that Minato is...In fact it's more accurate that they're more or less even....
@SexabIe what?? why Itachi die? well because he LET sasuke defeat him. That everyone should know. They say it all the time in anime/manga/wiki and even the damn creators come on. Itachi wanted to die to sasuke. In fact the whole battle went exactly they way he wanted it to. part by part like Itachi was directing a film and sasuke was a great actor hahaha
there's a better way to use itachi btw and it need a bit off timing but once you get it right you're almost unstoppable. his tilt move when he turns into crows? master that and your opponests will find it extremly differcuit to talk you let alone defeat you
@Godz4ever1 first of all he has the sharingan so no matter how fast he would go, itachi could still detect his movements because itachi is a beast like that. and yea susano'o cant be used for a long time but remember when kakashi, sakura, naruto and chiyo faced itachi? the only possible way to counter his genjutsu is if u have teammates with u to break you out. he could just trap him in genjutsu ONCE and he can have the automatic win. he would have to fight w/out looking at his fingers or eyes
@Godz4ever1 ALSO tsukuyomi COULD affect him, just because he is fast as hell, doesnt mean that he cant be hit by tsukuyomi, its really unlikely just like amaterasu, but it could still happen, i mean imagine how hard it would be to fight someone and not looking at their face or hands.. u wouldnt know what was coming
yea ikr... i used to somewhat like sasuke but then once he pretty much said, "itachi wanted peace, itachi wanted me to go back to the village and be good? nahh fuck that ill just kill people in his name. im sure he will want that."
itachi was so cool. i bet u that hes looking for sasuke right now, everyone thinks hes looking for kabuto but honestly i think he is going to find sasuke and sasuke will probably fight him.
didnt think there wer mch Itachi fans...i myself stand beside Itachi winning this fight....Itachi Has everything he needs...he was born with thm....and pain,he has extra accesories to himslf to make him stronger.....Itachi onli has himslf...Itachi can win by far to wat pain can do...juat like sasuke and Itachi's fight,Itachi was nowhere near his full power...No one has seen Itachi's full power or can imagine it but Kishimoto himslf...
Man everybody seems to forget that Itachi has SHARINGAN he would see in the first 5 sec that the six path of pain receive chacra from somewhere he would put them in genjutsu the he would leave a clone to slow them down and go for nagato .There you go fight won .You seem to forget that Itachi is a great strategist +The only reason Pain is so strong is cuz he's using dead bodies and they can't be killed or harmed .
i hate it when somebody using minato as their opponent and win the battle,minato should win because he's the strongest among all the characters in the game,and i love minato
all i can say that if itachi had a chance to become a kage he wouldve been 1 already at a very young age, and that he hasnt attained anyones sharingan, i can guarantee that itachi wouldve able to beat tobi through thier abilities yet he is using intelligence to beat him. tobi himself says that if itachi wouldve known him well he wouldve killed him by then. the episode number is 139 shippuden, i watched this episode from narutoget
Guys you are reallyp stupid.how can you even compare a genius like itachi one of the best ninja all time to sasori a shit which got beaten by sakura and a old hag
@seminoleboy96 first of all itachi could probably handle tobi too because of susano'o and amaterasu and second of all the only reason the nine tailed fox fought minato was because he was under genjutsu and forced to do it, who else do we know that is the master of genjutsu and sharingan? itachi could probably easily control the nine tailed fox with tsukuyomi. and sasori wouldnt stand a chance against itachi's amaterasu and susano'o
@deidara0430 susano and amaterasu take a lot out of itachi. And no he could not handle tobi considering tobi got a sharingon just as good as itachi's and rinnegan which is better. Also it really depends if sasori is in his puppet body or if he is in that hiruko. If he was in his puppet body he could last long enough for susanoo to drain to much of itachi. Also amaterasu is dangerous to itachi too. Sasori is immune to genjutsu and that is itachis greatest advantage.
@seminoleboy96 Sasori immune to Genjutsu is BS fan crap. Sasori has senses, and a "brain" of sorts to interpret them and chakra to manipulate. Amaterasu is more dangerous to Itachi's enemies than to himself, and doesn't bother him much now. And even if Tobi has better eyes, Itachi's proven what he can do while dying of illness, almost blind, AND holding back against Sasuke who is Deidara level. Itachi is a beast. It's notl power and Jutsu. You underestimate skill and intelligence.
@SacredBlackKnight Actually he is immune to Genjutsu when does it say he isnt? Also Tobi would definetly kick Itachis ass. Tobi can summon the statue that pain could. which could easily kill itachi and is just as big as sasori. You underestimate Tobi who is going to be the final fight for Naruto. Not to mention that Tobi has rinnegan and sharingan. Rinnegan>Sharingan by far. Tobi is not stupid at all quite the opposite
@SacredBlackKnight i think im on ur side about itachi being able to beat sasori but dude genjutsu really wouldnt work, he cant feel pain, all sasori really is is that heart thing, thats his only weakness genjutsu wouldnt do much to that
@seminoleboy96 okay yea tobi NOW with his 6 overpowered jinchuuriki and rinnegen could beat itachi.. he can probably beat anyone, i was talking about itachi against tobi, before he got the rinnegen. itachi can hold susano'o long enough to be able to beat sasori.. what would sasori do fly around and wait for it to waste? he would use moves against itachi's yata mirror which repels EVERYTHING and by doing so he would leave himself open and itachi would attack, and he has sharingan, he would be abl
@deidara0430 well actually yea... I doubt itachi's flame could catch sasori if he was flying around. I get it ITachi is liked by everyone. Doesn't mean he is the strongest. When did he get rid of nagato? yata mirror won't repel tobi but anyway as said before Itachi can't keep them going forever and all it takes is one time for itachi to be poisoned. Don't forget Sasori ranked above Itachi in akatsuki
@seminoleboy96 yea so itachi would only use susano'o and amaterasu in emergency situations and wouldnt wear himself out over it. itach is liked by everyone because he is extremely smart and a beast. the manga episode kabuto uses the reanimation of dead bodies jutsu and nagato and itachi fight killer bee and naruto and itachi breaks out of the control of the jutsu and then uses his susano'o to take nagato out and saved naruto and killer bee from nagato. sasori ranks higher? in what way?
@deidara0430 You do know that the reincarnations of Kabuto aren't as strong as the real bodies right? Sasori ranked higher in akatsuki. Also Tobi who is stronger then Pain and remember Pain was fighting Itachi, Naruto, and Killer Bee and giving them tips on how to beat him. Pain at full strength would be more then a match for Itachi let alone tobi. The demonic structure summon is stronger then susanoo, also Tobi won't be affected by his genjutsu.
@seminoleboy96 if Tobi is sooo strong without the 6 paths and rinnegen, why even gather akatsuki members? why make them do all of the work? if he can take every single one and is THAT strong then tell me why.. the best thing Tobi can do (without rinnegen) is become intangible and suck people into another dimension, itachi is WAY too smart to be sucked in and would time the intagingibility and tangibility PERFECTLY because thats how he is. and he wouldnt need genjutsu against him.
@deidara0430 its simple he couldn't dish out the punishment and was mostly a defensive fighting style (example against minato). Are you kidding me? Are you just praising Itachi cause your a fanboy of Itachi. Tobi after gaining the rinnengan is pretty unbeatable.
@seminoleboy96 i already admitted that itachi would lose against tobi if he had the rinnegen.. if i can be any more clear about that please ask.. but when he only has the sharingan he could definately find a way to beat tobi.. if konan could, im pretty sure he would too, he would be forced to use izanagi against itachi and itachi wouldnt have his guard down after realizing he was still alive like konan did and would keep beating him.. honestly i think tobi would just run away from itachi
@seminoleboy96 -continue- pain was at full strength once kabuto took "complete" control of nagato, at that point he stopped helping about became ruthless and attacked silently and even healed himself to the point that his body wasnt weak and disgusting looking, why didnt he do that before? he didnt even know he could do that with jinchuuriki chakra so obviously the "nagato" being controlled by kabuto was superior. member what kabuto says too? "itachi u truly are on a diferent lvl than the rest"
@deidara0430 the rest not including Tobi he was probably talking about the rest of akatsuki. and anyway Tobi is the mind of Madara Uchiha as Kisame has seen him without his mask and said it was. Madara could have used a technique similar to wat orochimaru does and became Tobi. Thus getting rid of his body which kabuto resurrects so now there are two madaras. Also whats next Itachi>Sage of Six Paths are you basing all ur logic on fanboyism i mean really? Tobi is above itachi.
@seminoleboy96 -continue- it is partially fanboyism but im not saying he could beat ANYONE.. tobi wouldnt be able to do anything against itachi.. im pretty sure itachi could find some moves to use on him, tobi isnt even the fighting type really. so if tobi would end up fleeing from itachi in a fight how does that make him above him? if tobi knew SOOO much about itachi "he was a double agent for akatsuki, he only used akatsuki to help sasuke" why did he keep him in the organization? he was scared
@deidara0430 he kept him in the organization because in the end he still benefited akatsuki. Don't forget that tobi is the most powerful character so far. He could do a lot against itachi. Space time would work on itachi and i doubt he can hold susanoo longer then tobi can hold intangibility. Not to mention Tobi has a more powerful summon in the demonic structure. And it only says that the susanoo protects against physical attack.
@seminoleboy96 how did he benefit akatsuki? he never benefitted really he was supposed to capture naruto and tobi knew that would never happen. he was too scared to do anything it was a combination of being scared and he wanted to see what would happen with sasuke, but honestly what could he have done if he kicked him out? scared him by punching with his intangible hand? there is a reason why he never confronted itachi, he couldnt scare him or do anything to him dude.. i bet tsukuyomi would beat
@deidara0430 wow u think that tobi couldn't land a scratch on him right? If so u are an absolute fanboy. Tobi was never scared of Itachi. Don't forget Pain would wipe the floor with Itachi let alone Tobi.
@seminoleboy96 ok im not saying he couldnt lay a finger on him.. but let me make the point that if he did lay a finger he would probably use amaterasu or wait for him solidify.. all he would have to do is sit there and wait.. while tobi is sucking him in he could use amaterasu or unleash susano'o and seal him away.. its sort of an easy strategy.. and pain wouldnt wipe the floor with him.. u remember that nagato lost to itachi right? he was sealed away. kabuto even said "itachi ur on another lvl"
@deidara0430 tobi seals you in the dimension to fast for itachi to summon susanno or even do handsigns for amaterasu. So he is on another level of the people he has summoned (except madara who can throw meteors). So you think Kabuto was saying that itachi was also better then tobi with rinnegan? That is bs. Pain could handle itachi and itachi susanoo does great damage to himself he can't hold it longer then tobi without rinnegan can dodge. Don't forget demonic structure>susanoo
@seminoleboy96 first of all u dont need hand signs for amaterasu, second of all it is stated that susano'o is activated at lightning speed, as seen when sasuke uses kirin, the thunder bolt, and he counters it.. and once again i never said itachi could beat tobi with the rinnegen.. there is a chance though because tobi cant control the tailed beasts while being used.. but thats a different and harder arguement.. anyway yea itachi can beat nagato, he sealed him away. and demonic structure=no proof
@deidara0430 wat? he was fighting naruto and killer b at the same time!!! he was focused on them and by the way he was restraining two jinchurikis at once. Itachi got him with the sword will he was distracted. a Pain vs only itachi battle would be a rape. ITachi would die in less then a minute if pain was serious. Why was tobi the leader of akatsuki? Because he was and is the strongest. Anyway so is intangibility activated at lightning speed (example konan).
@seminoleboy96 so what? pain is a god in ur opinion he rapes everyone! i bet u even think it was a fluke that naruto beat him.. >.> but anyway im pretty sure that itachi wouldnt get raped.. if he held susano'o up while he attacked what would pain do? there isnt much.. and tobi almost lost to konan.. im pretty sure he can easily take him, he would just do the same strategy but with something else.. like i said all he would have to do is wait for him to get tangible.. he was too scared to fight
@deidara0430 tobi underestimated konan and dodged an attack that is pretty much impossible to dodge. anyway susanoo can't be held for to long. and don't forget Pain is a one man army
@seminoleboy96 continue any jinchuuriki.. what would he have done in the situation against the two tails? if deidara wasnt there he would have run away.. having the sharingan,being able to go intangible, and teleport people isnt enough to do anything.. all u have to do is
A-not rely on genjutsu (easy)
B-wait for him to actually attack and go tangible (time the interval that he can stay intangible and how long he has to wait while being solid)
C- use amaterasu when hes about to suck u in(easy)
@deidara0430 u overestimeate Itachi abilities. Dude is definetly above the 5 kages and in the top 5 naruto verse characters but Tobi is going to be the final fight not to mention he will get even stronger. 3 tails by the way. And tobi was acting goofy to hide who he was.
@seminoleboy96 the final fight will involve sasuke, the only reason sasuke is where he is now is because of itachi, hes the one who unlocked his mangekyo and hes the reason why he has the EMS.. im not over estimating his abilities.. its not really a matter of what type of fighting style u have to beat someone, really its whoever is stronger. naruto in sage mode in my opinion beats pain, and itachi can easily beat naruto sage mode, so i think itachi would find a way to do it, and he used susano'o
@deidara0430 I don't care about sasuke. Tobi has sharingan and rinnegan how would itachi beat him. And I doubt Itachi could beat Pain who by himself restrained the 9 tails (in 8 tails form) I doubt Itachi could beat the man who singlehandedly destroyed konoha. And Pain sacrificed himself, he could still fight. How would he beat sage mode naruto???? That is BS! His genjutsu won't work, naruto in sage mode beats Itachi.
@seminoleboy96 Lol itachi could singlehandedly destroy the village too, he would just have to use A LOT of amaterasu, how would they stop it? and once again i AGREE WITH U ABOUT TOBI WITH RINNEGEN. im saying tobi WITHOUT the rinnegen would lose. also naruto sage mode has no moves against susano'o, or amaterasu for that matter, whereas nagato has a lot to counter those moves, naruto cant counter anything but his genjutsu. but he still cant do anything against his mangekyo, like susano'o
@deidara0430 he can't use a lot of amaterasu because it hurts him too. Anyway they could seal it away, I have seen jiraiya seal amaterasu. How would Itachi beat him? Tobi could just suck him into his dimension. TOBI IS IMMUNE TO AMATERASU!!!! Pain could beat Itachi don't forget he has 7 bodies and had enough power to bring everybody in the hidden leaf back to life after fighting the nine tails.
@seminoleboy96 he would just have to use amaterasu like three times and let it spread all over the village and defend the flames from people sealing it away, eventually it would spread and become so big that people wouldnt be able to seal it away. well honestly i cant really see itachi beating tobi and i cant see tobi beating itachi.. but in my mind itachi has more of a likelihood to actually beat him b/c all he would have to do is wait for him to go tangible, btw he doesnt suck u in very fast..
@deidara0430 actually he captures people in under 2 seconds... all tobi has to do is teleport behind itachi grab him for two seconds and its over. Tobi can maintain intangibility longer then itachi can maintain susanoo or amaterasu.... and if nobody can seal amaterasu then it spreads around the world killing everyone... not to mention i find it hard to believe that itachi can stop a whole village from sealing something. 2 ninjas could preoccupy him while others seal.
@seminoleboy96 tobi isnt immune to amaterasu.. he can still get hit by it.. he has to teleport to a different dimension to get rid of it.. he probably goes to a hideout and uses a sealing jutsu to get it off.. so if he actually hit tobi with it, which wouldnt be that hard, especially for itachi, then he could just hold onto tobi and make sure he doesnt teleport or continuously attack him so he cant teleport to get rid of it.. itachi wouldnt just let tobi suck him in and just stand there btw
@deidara0430 nobody has been able to hold onto tobi. even if he is on fire and itachi has him in his hands then tobi could still teleport out of there. Tobi without rinnegan is not a powerhouse offensively but could definitely outlast Itachi.
@seminoleboy96 yea ur right, which brings me to my next point, itachi would teleport with tobi and could prevent him from using whatever it is he used to get the black fire off. and he cant outlast itachi.. he would be intangible for 99% of the fight and that 1% of the fight that he became tangible, itachi would definately not miss his opportunity and would do whatever he could and tobi would be extremely scared to become tangible.
@deidara0430 Tobi doesn't scare. Anyway tobi doesn't waste intangibility against good opponents (example against minato). I don't think Itachi can teleport anyway in the world like tobi? Could amaterasu even hurt tobi when intangible? No it can't and amaterasu takes so much out of Itachi its impossible for him to really outlast tobi. Itachi's genjutsu won't work and Itachi has not been shown to be a taijutsu powerhouse.
@seminoleboy96 all he has to do is wait until he goes tangible and then use amaterasu.. so its not like he would be spamming and spamming and spamming.. he would just wait for the perfect opportunity and take it. amaterasu clearly hurts him and he has to go to a different dimension to get rid of it. if itachi tags along and prevents him from sealing it away or doing whatever it is he does, it would be easy.. he has to be tangible to teleport so itachi could easily grab on while hes teleporting
@deidara0430 I don't think he can follow him right? Also how would he force him to be intangible? Tobi can dodge most of Itachi's attacks without going intangible. He is a genius to don't forget that! Also I think that Tobi just sucks the flames off of him he doesn't have to seal it.
@seminoleboy96 no he didnt suck the flames away i remember that tobi like jumped into the darkness of the room and it looked like he teleported. and u can tell he probably teleported to take care of the problem because after he fell into the darkness it got quiet and u couldnt hear him screaming or the fire burning
@seminoleboy96 oh wow i just watched it, i was wrong and u were wrong, it DOES make noise, but i thought that while tobi is yelling and struggling the noise just stopped because he teleported once he backed up into the darkness, but he doesnt, after he dives into the darkness u can still hear the fire and tobi wailing. so u might actually be right. he might be able to suck it away or something.. but dude clearly it takes about 20 seconds to do while he is burning, still vulnerable enough to me.
@deidara0430 he showed no sign of injury. It looks like it hurt really bad though!!! Most things would die with 5 seconds of that shit on them. Tobi isn't even injured by it, that should say something about his abilities. And watch him fight danzo's subordinates he can suck people away in less then 1 second so Itachi is gonna be on the defensive though even if he is on offense tobi is great defensive wise. He also has chakra chains which are a great ability
@seminoleboy96 but dude why would he have akatsuki then? think about it.. if he could arguably defeat every single jinchuriki one on one by sucking them in or teleporting or whatever, why would he need akatsuki? why would he need pain, kisame, kakuzu, deidara, and even itachi? why? why? why? he must not be THAT hard to defeat and he probably isnt a good fighter. when he fights danzo's people he loses an arm from carelessness. ill bet u he isnt confrontational and isnt a good fighter.
@deidara0430 It would take a lot longer to suck in a tailed beast versus a human. He is not much of a powerhouse offensively back before he got the rinnegan. He isn't a careless fighter the guy is smarter then Itachi and a master strategist. He lost an arm because he didn't need it! He is a zetsu clone so just tore his arm off no sweat he regrew it later. He is a master defensively but that won't work against a tailed beast.
@seminoleboy96 jinchuriki are humans tho so he could still suck them in, no matter what demon was inside of them. there is no proof that he is smarter then itachi, he is definately more knowledgeable and knows more about stuff but itachi is probably smarter, he figures out weaknesses and strategies on the spot and gets out of sticky situations because of that. like when the planetary devastation was happening. and if u still believe that it would take awhile to suck in a tailed beast, what about
@seminoleboy96 -continue- susano'o? do u think that he could just go up to itachi and suck him in while susano'o is up? if he cant suck in a jinchuriki then he cant suck in itachi and his susano'o
@seminoleboy96 but as hes sucking him in he can hit him with amaterasu and that will interrupt him sucking itachi in and he will roll onto the floor and it will take him like 12 seconds to suck it away, meanwhile itachi uses susano'o and seals him away with the totsuka sword
@deidara0430 or he just goes intangible and the flames fall of him. Also it only took him like 5 seconds to suck it away. anyway ITachi can't generate susanoo fast enough to get him.
@seminoleboy96 but he has to be tangible to suck something in so that would be the perfect opportunity for him to shoot black fire at him. i mean if kakashi and guy could land a hit on tobi from waiting for him to go tangible, im pretty sure that itachi, the one much stronger than kakashi and guy, could find a way. and its been said that itachi generates susano'o faster than lightning, when sasuke tries to use kirin against itachi he uses susano'o in a split second and saves himself rememmber?
@deidara0430 yea... when did Kakashi hit Tobi again? Anyway tobi does have chakra chains which could restrain susanoo right? anyway we both agree rinnegan tobi would win
@seminoleboy96 maybe he acquires the chakra chains after getting the rinnegen so technically thats a different tobi and thats IF the chains could restrain susano'o
@seminoleboy96 but the nine tails is an actual solid monster, susano'o, as u said is a spirit jutsu thing, and if tobi always had the chains why didnt he use it against the two tails? instead he ran away and relied on deidara to do all the work.. and dont even say "he was hiding his identity and powers" deidara knew that he could go intangible and tobi admitted that he was "madara" to almost every single member in akatsuki. he COULDNT defeat the two tails alone or any of the other jinchuriki
@deidara0430 Tobi admitted that he was Madara to only Kisame and Pain? Itachi met him before so doesn't count. Tobi was acting goofy so his opponents wouldn't take him serious giving him an advantage. You think he couldn't take the 3 tails (by the way it was 3 tails)? He definitely could and let deidara do the work which by the way tobi still did like 40% of the work for capturing it.
@seminoleboy96 ok he told kisame, pain, both zetsus, itachi knew, i bet kakuzu knew too, im sure tobi told him because kakuzu actually fought the first hokage, but thats a longshot, thats most of akatsuki isnt it? and he literally didnt do anything against the three tails.. he just distracted it, but what difference would that have made for deidara? really? he sent in ONE fish that was swimming faster than the three tails so he didnt do much, they just did that segment for comical reasoning only
@deidara0430 yea but he only told the people he needed to tell like pain and zetsu. Kisame was told because he was like the last one left alive. Do you think tobi couldn't do it if he didn't want to? He could have easily beat the 3 tails by himself. Remeber he probably didn't tell deidara because deidara hates uchihas and would then tobi would have to kill him.... u looked over konan because she is the least amazing akatsuki.... and tobi easily killed her
@seminoleboy96 rofl is tobi ur favorite character or something?? haha ur such a fanboy of him! "he'd kill deidara" haha my ass.. tobi's weakness is continuous explosions.. deidara could just blow the shit out of him for five minutes straight, how many times does tobi run away when deidara is about to blow something up when sasuke and deidara fight? tobi runs away from explosions because they are his weakness. that brings me to konan, she didnt easily die, she killed him but he used izanagi
@deidara0430 considering ur name is deidara0430 i would consider you a fanboy of deidara. Yes tobi is my favorite villain my favorite hero is killer b. you know tobi can teleport anywhere right? chakra chains could reach deidara and then its just tobi sucking him into another dimension. He underestimated konan and said it at the end of the fight. He teleported right behind her before she noticed same would happen to deidara
@seminoleboy96 but dude u have to be solid to teleport so he couldnt just teleport in the middle of the explosions.. and itachi is my new favorite character deidara is my second favorite lol. also theres no proof he has chakra chains before getting the rinnegen.. also izanagi was used against konan, THAT teleported him behind her not his teleporting ability. remember when sasuke faces danzo and he uses izanagi? he disappears and appears in random spots right? thats what tobi did against her.
@deidara0430 well i mean chakra chains aren't given by the rinnegan though they could be because of it. Anyway u might have convinced me that itachi could beat a pre rinnegan tobi but post rinnegan tobi would win with medium difficulty. Anyway it would still be a good fight between itachi vs tobi. And i still do believe pain could beat pain
@seminoleboy96 well if he did have the chains maybe they were just normal chains until he obtained the rinnegen. and itachi could easily beat the paths of pain with genjutsu, thats pains weakness
@seminoleboy96 actually the toads used genjutsu that affected ur hearing, if u simply heard it the genjutsu activated, but with itachi's genjutsu u either look into his eyes or his finger and ur caught in the genjutsu, pain has been caught in genjutsu before, thats his weakness.. it just only affects one at a time so it would be harder, but i think itachi could do it. if ur strong enough with genjutsu there is nothing pain could do if he went under it
@deidara0430 genjutsu through the eyes doesn't affect him because of the rinnegan... anyway pain could have killed naruto at any time. Dont doubt him. He had fought all of konoha, the kyuubi, and after all that he still could have beat naruto. I doubt itachi knows pains secret so it would be impossible to beat him, dont forget pain mastered yin releaseu. the toad song is the strongest genjutsu so far in the series. Anyway no-one is immune to it but pain is the best suited against it
@seminoleboy96 pain EASILY falls under genjutsu, remember ibiki even attempts it to pain, doesnt succeed but its obvious that if ur good enough with genjutsu u can defeat pain using that as his weakness. and i understand that pain is strong, and he probably could have beaten naruto but lets be honest.. do u really think that would have happened? naruto would have just gotten really discouraged.. and then all of a sudden gets back on his feet and overcomes pain. also itachi could figure out the
@deidara0430 lets face it nobody not even itachi is immune to genjutsu. However pain is best suited to fight it. As it wont effect his body but only his paths... Ofcourse Naruto would win thats because the show is based on him. Lets be honest Pain could have killed naruto then even at the end pain could have killed naruto. Itachi doesn't beat pain but atleast itachi would be a great fight for pain. Itachi is pretty much tied with jiraiya. Atleast u have facts unlike kisame fans.
@seminoleboy96 uchiha's actually are immune to genjutsu if they train themselves enough to do it. if u have the sharingan u naturally can detect it and repel it. sasuke trained his sharingan to break itachi's genjutsu and tsukuyomi, only a sharingan rapes genjutsu. so clearly pain ISNT the best to go against it, an uchiha is. if itachi had the EMS he could use tsukuyomi 7 times in a row on all Pains and wouldnt even have to move because it would take 7 seconds. and jiraiya is not tied.. u dont
@deidara0430 actually everyone can lose to genjutsu or tobi's plan wouldn't work. Also Itachi's best friend (don't remember his name) was so skilled with it he could genjutsu itachi. Don't think that pain would let him do that. Pain is both a great fighter in close and long range. Dont doubt toad song it is up there with itachi's anyway pain is good against genjutsu as he can change the frequencies of the chakra thus disrupting the genjutsu. though it will last 5 or 10 seconds.
@seminoleboy96 continu- seem to understand itachi's susano'o... NOTHING can stop it. jiraiya and pain both dont have ANYTHING in their arsenal that could go against the yata mirror and sword of totsuka.. jiraiyas best move is his giant rasengan and that wouldnt do anything to susano'o. pains best move is the almighty push, that wouldnt do anything either. the yata mirror repels EVERYTHING. itachi would just evade every attack by pain and figure out their powers and then use tsukuyomi or susano'o
@deidara0430 can susanoo stop planetary devastation? And couldn't pain outlast susanoo?couldn't preta absorb the sword since its a mass of chakra? If he can't its not a big problem for pain as pain can dance around susanoo until itachi can't hold it anymore. Uchihas don't have endurance pain is the definition of endurance. Idk how he would evade every attack unless in susanoo all pain needs to do is tap him and suck his sould out. amateraso is a non factor here as it can be absorbed
@seminoleboy96 itachi would only use susano'o when he absolutely needed to. he wouldnt just sit there and hold it. he would activate it at lightning speed and save himself if he was about to get killed and then put it away and then continuously put it back and forth. but he would probably kill all of the other paths of pain before even using susano'o. itachi would know the planetary devastations weakness and shoot fire balls and even if he got stuck in it susano'o wouldnt break if he got pulled
@deidara0430 wat? fireballs aren't a weakness of it! Do u think that itachi is as strong as naruto 8 tails mode? If so u are crazy. Also the only way he can harm the paths of pain is by using susanoo he can't hurt them anyother way. U itachi fans are just crazy and would probably say he beats the sage of 6 paths. Rinnegan>eternal sharingan. everybody knows it madara said it. how itachi could beat pain is beyond me and as stated earlier. Demonic structure>susanoo
@seminoleboy96 uhh susano'o is extremely beast.. if u add that with the sword of totsuka and yata mirror, hes invincible.. so yea i think he can beat naruto in 8 tails mode because there is no move in 8 tails narutos arsenal that could beat the yata mirror.. same with the pain and his planetary devastation... also itachis genjutsu could be cast on them one at a time.. he can have one in a genjutsu while he is fight off the others and then once that path of pain dies, he moves to the next one.
@deidara0430 but itachi is terrible with endurance and pain is the definition of endurance. Also pain implied he could make planetary devastation bigger. pain has ranged attacks that can stop itachi's genjutsu
@seminoleboy96 what could stop the genjutsu? thats his weakness, he cant do anything against it. i mean think about it, unless ur an uchiha who can break his genjutsu, u would have to fight itachi by staring at his feet and avoid looking into his eyes or his finger. do u know how hard it would be for someone to do that? if they cant look at his face or hands, he could easily throw fire balls at u or weave signs to make shadow clones, u wouldnt know if u were fighting the right one. he is beast.
@deidara0430 He has only been caught in 1 genjutsu which was on par with Itachi's and lets face it anybody can get caught in genjutsu however pain is better in both the ninjutsu and taijutsu department and thus would win the battle. Itachi is beast Even itachi would get caught in toad song not to mention pain can always bring back his dead paths or use planet devastation simply put it took itachi and naruto and b to beat pain
@seminoleboy96 but u do know how easily he is cast under genjutsu though.. if ibiki can find a way to cast genjutsu itachi definately could, except itachi would actually make his genjutsu count and he would paralyze the paths of pain. like i said. how easy would it be for them to stare at his feet the entire fight? he can activate susano'o in the blink of an eye. what if the yahiko path of pain was only staring at his feet and then all of a sudden the sword of totsuka hits him? he wouldnt notice
@deidara0430 actually u could tell if he summons susanoo and who is to say nagato... not pain wouldnt just planetary destruction his ass at the beginning. Also itachi never used genjustsu on nagato when they were fighting so he must have had a reason. Nagato>Everyone but madara and tobi. dont overestimate itachi dude
@seminoleboy96 itachi has probably been the strongest akatsuki member after madara. genjutsu > all. we all know that. itachi was so strong in the series and he was almost totally blind and dieing from sickness. Nobody would beat itachi in his best days except a skilled sharringan user, hence madara
@seminoleboy96 Dude itachi never wanted power or was ever interested and have you seen his level he was displayed at. Just imagine if he took sasuke's eyes and then got E.M.S and if that became rinnengan he would even own sage of the six path.
@DeathNote9368 hahahaha... you hyping itachi is funny. He would never get the Rinnegan and you doubt the sage. Itachi is nothing compared to tobi or madara
@seminoleboy96 :P what did i say wrong lol. Do you know rinnengan comes from 1.sharingan 2.Mangekyo sharingan 3.eternal mangekyo sharingan 4.Rinnengan. And have you heard sasukes new power SPOILER ***he can slow down time! thats only from ems, its likely you will get rinnengan if you get the ems, just like what happened to madara. Tobi was scared of a sick mangekyo sharingan itachi lol, if he had ems then rinnengan he would be the best XD Anyway new generation Sasuke and naruto strongest now :D
@DeathNote9368 yea its the most powerful. i knew all that. Tobi has rinnegan and sharingan ... no dude sasuke and naruto still arent the strongest as Nagato almost beat naruto, itachi, and killer b... one on one he would destroy naruto or sasuke. Tobi or Madara can could sasuke in less then a minute
@seminoleboy96 Nope itachi just take advantage of naruto and killer bee used numbers rather doing it himself and he saved both naruto and killer bee and he is the one who sealed nagato. Even kabuto was shocked itachi hit nagato when a blindspot was needed because of his rinnengan link.This is M.s not even e.m.s. No way naruto is now almost the strongest and even sasuke they surpassed all.What im saying is itachi never was beaten and i dont think he could get beaten :P But madara and tobi for now
@DeathNote9368 dude ur full of crap. Itachi had the element of surprise on nagato when he sealed him and when he turned against him. He didn't use the numbers he literally had to have nagato distracted by 2 of the strongest characters to touch him. Sasuke could not beat tobi or madara dude. Tobi is the strongest character in the series. Itachi wasnt even the most talented uchiha of his generation let alone for all time.
@seminoleboy96 HAH?! lol uchiha itachi was the best of his generation after madara and izuna and your talking shit man. Naruto already gave him kind of good fight but when nine tails come its too much for nagato. Itachi just used the numbers to his advantage.
@seminoleboy96 Kabuto was there and was shocked saying itachi got him despite rinnengan link. It was all three of them to bring down chibaku tensei , itachi done all the work. Naruto says aswell itachi saved naruto and killer bee. Itachi sealed nagato aswell, itachi with only M.S you think pain is stronger?? noo way
@DeathNote9368 so itachi one on one beats nagato? NO! He needed Naruto and B to land a hit on him. Sealing isnt hard when u got that overpowered susanoo bullshit. Nagato could easily kill itachi ur overestimating itachi next u will say he beats tobi and madara.
@seminoleboy96 Yh but even tobi said itachi could of killed him if he knew his secret, rare thing for tobi to say that; tobi was scared of itachi. And i have soo many reasons why itachi could probably win with only his M.S if he show full power which he never did, he's more than a genius. Im not overestimating itachi one bit your just underestimating him.
@DeathNote9368 not rinnegan tobi just sharingan tobi. how am i underestimating him if he wasn't even the best uchiha of his generation? Face it ITachi is amazing but he isnt even in the top 5 most powerful naruto characters.
@seminoleboy96 itachi hasnt even shown anyone his full power.. idk how u can underestimate him so much.. the guy doesnt even care about power or wants to make himself stronger..
by the way make sure u read DeathNote9368's entire arguement, he commented like 5 times
@seminoleboy96 No he needed naruto and bee for chibaku tensei so dont lie, the hit he got on nagato despite the rinnengan was by himself because of his skill thats why kabuto was shocked. You think shocked for what, naruto, killer bee and itachi ? lol noo way
@DeathNote9368 wat??? No he hit Nagato after kicking up a duststorm making nagato not able to see. Dont let me remind you Nagato was restraining and sucking out the souls of 2 of the strongest naruto characters and got blindsided by itachi. In a 1 on 1 fight Nagato stomps Itachi face it, Kakashi and Guy are a match for Itachi and couldn't compare to Nagato's weaker persona pain let alone Nagato
@seminoleboy96 Lmao now you just angry because i said itachi can beat pain? Itachi made kakashi go to hospital for a week in a second and guy had to open 7 or 8 gates for kisame, itachi>>>>>>>>>>>kisame. And just because you dont like it you make stories up when kabuto himself said i just checked it before 3 days he was shocked itachi got pain when you need a blindspot to hit him. You face it with full power only M.S itachi would defeat nagato and had tobi's fear.
@seminoleboy96 Itachi is the real hero, he sacrificed everything and ofcorse i agree tobi, sasuke, naruto surpassed him at this point. Because thier progressing seeking power, itachi never want that he was already gifted and keep in mind itachi didnt use Tsukyomi. so pain is lucky. And by the way itachi is in the top 5 just before nagato.
@DeathNote9368 dude i read ur arguement for itachi and i completely agree with u.. this guy thinks that tobi and pain could take on every single character in the entire show.. i mean who is he kidding? itachi hasnt shown anyone his full power..
@deidara0430 And remember tobi couldnt make a move to kohona until itachi died and then he told zetsu now we start to carry on our plans. And when he told sasuke the truth he even says to himself even itachi didnt know my secret or else i would of been dead right now. He even says after death itachi still surprises us. Who in naruto could make tobi like that ? seriously
@deidara0430 wat? I think in the manga right now madara is fighting the five kage on an equal footing don't underestimate these shinobi. Really Tobi could take out the entire pre time skip naruto roster. actually he says he at his best is comparable to Jiraiya, Itachi said it not me... He has terrible chakra reserves and unless he can destroy his opponents soon he is at a major disadvantage
@seminoleboy96 yea tobi with the rinnegen and all of the bijuu.. who wouldnt be able to take out the pre time skip roster while having all that? itachi wouldnt lose to jiraiya.. if they fought it would be really close and then towards the end of the fight itachi would pull out susano'o, completely surprising jiraiya and then own him. the reason why itachi ran from him that one time was, A. he didnt even want to be there, he was there to show that he was still alive to the elders, and B. he didnt
@deidara0430 no sharingan tobi would kill all pre time skip people. Jiraiya would go sage mode and dodge all of susanoo's attacks. ITACHI SAID HE COULDN'T BEAT JIRAIYA!!! So by definition he couldn't beat nagato who destroyed Jiraiya. Who even says Itachi has knowledge on Nagato he doesn't, so nagato would destroy him without breaking a sweat.
@seminoleboy96 ok first of all itachi has no desire to fight jiraiya because of his strength, he was just saying that he couldnt beat jiraiya to kisame so kisame wouldnt doubt itachi and say, "why didnt u just kill jiraiya..?" cuz itachi wasnt in konoha to fight jiraiya and take naruto, he was there to show the elders that he was still alive and they shouldnt kill sasuke. also jiraiya AND nagato dont have anything in their arsenal capable of beating susano'o.. let alone the yata mirror..
@deidara0430 Wat? Kisame knew how strong itachi was and if itachi could beat jiraiya he would have said so. He would have taken naruto if jiraiya didn't show up. HAHAHA Who says that susanoo can hit Nagato or Jiraiya??? IM NOT SAYING THEY COULD BEAT SUSANOO'S YATA MIRROR IM SAYING THEY CAN DODGE SUSANOO LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO DRAIN ITACHI TO MUCH! Itachi cant keep susanoo active forever and nagato and jiraiya can definitely dodge it long enough.
@seminoleboy96 itachi wasnt there to capture naruto u dumbass... and u act like kisame knew every single detail about itachis powers and his limits... and no itachi wouldnt have said so if he could beat jiraiya up because kisame wouldve been like, "ok.. then why are we leaving..?" itachi didnt want to get into such a serious fight, he just wanted his presence to be known in the village so danzo and the elders would know that itachi was still alive and them knowing this would keep sasuke alive.
@deidara0430 Well Kisame knew probably the most about Itachi except for Tobi. Well Itachi could have used the excuse he was tired from fighting kakashi... If Itachi had the chance he would have took Naruto, what would he tell kisame and the akatasuki umm i had naruto but ummm i just didn't feel like capturing him.
@seminoleboy96 exactly.. thats why he had to fool everyone into thinking he was too weak to handle jiraiya, that was his excuse to flee from konoha. u do remember that he cares about the leaf village the most after sasuke right? he wouldnt have taken naruto because that would hurt the village in a small way by getting rid of the jinchuriki or secret weapon of the village
@deidara0430 he cares more about the leaf... as evidenced by him putting a crow in naruto... anyway i can see ur reasoning for him leaving konoha. Do i still believe he would lose to jiraiya yes but not by a lot.
@seminoleboy96 he did the amaterasu susano'o thing against the raikage when they fought.
and no he WOULDNT LOSE.. u never give me any reasons how he would get past susano'o.. NOTHING can.. well almost nothing, but jiraiya has nothing in his arsenal that would get past the susano'o.. u think he would jump around and try to outlast it, but if he set amaterasu all over the place and he couldnt jump around in as many spots, he would be at a disadvantage and wouldnt be able to dodge as easy
@seminoleboy96 so u think that for like 10 minutes of running in circles and flying around itachi wouldnt land one single hit..? if it came down to them waiting for susano'o to deactivate, then itachi could just spam amaterasu everywhere and they would be limited 2 where they could jump around and then that would force them to go into specific areas and itachi would take advantage of that and hit them that way. both of those characters would have to do all this w/out looking in his eyes or hands
@deidara0430 haha has itachi used amaterasu and susanoo at the same time ever? Amaterasu doesn't work against Nagato anyway so that's irrelevant. also I think Frog Song might work on Itachi... Don't forget that jiraiya might be strong enough to break through susanoo's ribs. As said Genjutsu doesn't work on sage mode jiraiya as he could stare straight into itachi's eyes and the other sages could snap him out of it.
@seminoleboy96 u act like he wouldnt be able to... if sasuke could use amaterasu while using susano'o on his first try, im 100% positive itachi could too... and amaterasu could still affect him if it was all over the ground and all over the place, there would be so much he would have to pay attention to it and get rid of it somehow and that would be the perfect opportunity for him to strike at him.. and yea ur right about sage mode, when ur in sage mode genjutsu doesnt work against u
@seminoleboy96 also i forgot to address ur opinion about tobi beating all pre time skip people.. if u have been catching up with the naruto shippuden series.. then u would know that tobi got his ass kicked by minato.. tobi had to run away like a little girl after losing and the only reason he didnt kick tobi's ass right away before he released the kyuubi is because he had to take naruto as a hostage just to last like two minutes in the same room as him.. if minato could take him most kages could
@deidara0430 ummm he was using a considerable amount of his chakra to restrain the kyuubi so he was controlling the nine tails and fighting minato. Minato says that Tobi is stronger then him and had to suprise him with his special kunai to beat him... even then Tobi only lost an arm which he can grow back fairly easily. Minato is stronger then most kages dude. The only one i can think thats stronger then minato is hashirama.
@seminoleboy96 dude.. tobi got his ass kicked.. accept it.. it didnt take him, "a considerable amount of chakra" he was fine.. u could tell that he was unaffected from using the sharingan on the kyuubi.. he was perfectly fine.. and minato was faster than tobi and outsmarted him like 4 times in those two episodes.. tobi had to teleport away because minato owned him so much.. u cant use the excuse that he was "tired" from using genjutsu.. that had nothing to do with how he lost, he wasnt fast enuf
@deidara0430 actually listen to Minato... he says that tobi wants to avoid a long fight because it would waste necessary chakra to control the kyuubi. U also missed Minato calling Tobi stronger then himself or the 3rd. Tobi went up against the FASTEST NARUTO CHARACTER!!!!! and lost by a millisecond so thats not a bad thing. He also had no knowledge of minato's kunai ability. MINATO IS THE 2ND STRONGEST HOKAGE AND COULD BEAT ITACHI!!!!
@seminoleboy96 he didnt say tobi was stronger than him or the 3rd, he said he is better with teleportation jutsu than him and the second hokage. and he got outsmarted and lost because he wasnt fast. so thats a ligitimate loss to me. and if it wasnt a loss then why didnt he stick around to see what the nine tailed fox did? he got as far away from there as possible. ok if he could beat itachi then tell me how he would get past susano'o and his genjutsu? he would put up a good fight but would lose
@deidara0430 so the raikage sucks because he lost to minato? Dude Tobi was fighting THE fastest naruto character in a speed race. They both didn't want a prolonged fight and tobi had to just charge in because a prolonged fight would make him lose control of the kyuubi. Not to mention Minato used his best move against tobi and only took out one arm. how would itachi defeat tobi without rinnegan? It would be a draw because tobi would just teleport out of there.
@seminoleboy96 ok if u run away because u cant handle fighting any longer.. its a loss in my book, and everyone elses book. thats what he did, he ran away to recover, otherwise he would have died. no proof that that was his best move. and tobi actually says that if itachi knew who he really was and what his ambitions were and what he knew, itachi would have killed him. he says that in like shippuden episode 139 or something. and its not a draw if one runs away, its a draw if they both lose
I Guess He Over-Used his Mangekyuu Sharingan... It makes his Body weaker and weaker, So That the Only Solution is to Have An Eternal Mangekyuu Sharingan !!
MrPhantomCase 1 hour ago
That's not nearly true!!!-I i reckon that Itachi is at worst in the same level that Minato is...In fact it's more accurate that they're more or less even....
Tsukuyomi8 13 hours ago
uchiha itachi dont stand a chance vs minato at the real ...
platonickola 19 hours ago
Itachi..... is invincible
CloudStrifeComplete 2 weeks ago 2
@CloudStrifeComplete Then why did he die?
SexabIe 5 days ago
@SexabIe what?? why Itachi die? well because he LET sasuke defeat him. That everyone should know. They say it all the time in anime/manga/wiki and even the damn creators come on. Itachi wanted to die to sasuke. In fact the whole battle went exactly they way he wanted it to. part by part like Itachi was directing a film and sasuke was a great actor hahaha
CloudStrifeComplete 5 days ago
@CloudStrifeComplete That doesn't matter. Regardless of what his intentions were, if Itachi were invincible, he wouldn't of died.
SexabIe 5 days ago
minato would win because itachi wouldn't risk going blind before fighting sasuke
MrLILv104 3 weeks ago
I agree, minato is a boss but itachi is my favorite character. I have a question. Who would win in a real fight?
StealthDuck9 3 weeks ago
@StealthDuck9 minato
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
there's a better way to use itachi btw and it need a bit off timing but once you get it right you're almost unstoppable. his tilt move when he turns into crows? master that and your opponests will find it extremly differcuit to talk you let alone defeat you
awesomeBlackFlash 3 weeks ago
the strongest character to play as in this game is minato which is very fortunate for me cause he's in my top 3 favs
awesomeBlackFlash 3 weeks ago
the only two characters in the naruto series who are naturally strong geniuses
thugripper 3 weeks ago
i wnt xbox
ryan6543212002 1 month ago
it's a stupidity to think that itachi it's better than minato
anyway itachi it's also powerful but minato can take him anytime
Godz4ever1 1 month ago
@Godz4ever1 ok name one thing minato would do against his tsukuyomi or susano'o then..
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 hope you know why minato it's called "the yellow flash of the leaf"
tsukuyomi have no effect vs his abilities of moving real fast
susano'o it's a real pain in minato's ass because itachi can't be hit when using it
but the question is how long can susano'o be used? cuz after susano'o it's vanished itachi dont stand a chance in front of minato.
so still i think that minato it's a way better than itachi plus minato it's the 4 hokage...
Godz4ever1 1 month ago
@Godz4ever1 first of all he has the sharingan so no matter how fast he would go, itachi could still detect his movements because itachi is a beast like that. and yea susano'o cant be used for a long time but remember when kakashi, sakura, naruto and chiyo faced itachi? the only possible way to counter his genjutsu is if u have teammates with u to break you out. he could just trap him in genjutsu ONCE and he can have the automatic win. he would have to fight w/out looking at his fingers or eyes
deidara0430 1 month ago
@Godz4ever1 ALSO tsukuyomi COULD affect him, just because he is fast as hell, doesnt mean that he cant be hit by tsukuyomi, its really unlikely just like amaterasu, but it could still happen, i mean imagine how hard it would be to fight someone and not looking at their face or hands.. u wouldnt know what was coming
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 yeah you're right......... :D
1 think i dont like in naruto episodes.....why itachi supposed to die for sasuke's sake pfff
i want him back :D
btw do you know who is tobi ?
Godz4ever1 1 month ago
@Godz4ever1 yea lol.
yea ikr... i used to somewhat like sasuke but then once he pretty much said, "itachi wanted peace, itachi wanted me to go back to the village and be good? nahh fuck that ill just kill people in his name. im sure he will want that."
itachi was so cool. i bet u that hes looking for sasuke right now, everyone thinks hes looking for kabuto but honestly i think he is going to find sasuke and sasuke will probably fight him.
i think tobi is either part zetsu or izuna uchiha
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 i got a feelling that tobi could be obito......:D
Godz4ever1 1 month ago
@Godz4ever1 doubt it man obito was a kid back when tobi attacked the village
deidara0430 4 weeks ago
didnt think there wer mch Itachi fans...i myself stand beside Itachi winning this fight....Itachi Has everything he needs...he was born with thm....and pain,he has extra accesories to himslf to make him stronger.....Itachi onli has himslf...Itachi can win by far to wat pain can do...juat like sasuke and Itachi's fight,Itachi was nowhere near his full power...No one has seen Itachi's full power or can imagine it but Kishimoto himslf...
4r33stylerz 1 month ago
Man everybody seems to forget that Itachi has SHARINGAN he would see in the first 5 sec that the six path of pain receive chacra from somewhere he would put them in genjutsu the he would leave a clone to slow them down and go for nagato .There you go fight won .You seem to forget that Itachi is a great strategist +The only reason Pain is so strong is cuz he's using dead bodies and they can't be killed or harmed .
Stef4o91 1 month ago
why do people insist on uploading fights against a computer as if theyre incredibly hard and the user is sooo skilled for defeating him?
tylergmorales17 1 month ago
Itachi has so many more powers he never showed and so does Tobi so this whole argument below is irrelevant. there.
RaccoonRoadkill 1 month ago
i hate it when somebody using minato as their opponent and win the battle,minato should win because he's the strongest among all the characters in the game,and i love minato
Danialnero91 1 month ago
all i can say that if itachi had a chance to become a kage he wouldve been 1 already at a very young age, and that he hasnt attained anyones sharingan, i can guarantee that itachi wouldve able to beat tobi through thier abilities yet he is using intelligence to beat him. tobi himself says that if itachi wouldve known him well he wouldve killed him by then. the episode number is 139 shippuden, i watched this episode from narutoget
TheMustafa786 2 months ago
these guys are good, but more practice would do to beat me!
kakarot291 2 months ago
And i've forgoten that even kabuto saied that itachi is on a higher level than others
vladisimo93 2 months ago
Even zetsu saied itachi was almost invincible
vladisimo93 2 months ago
Guys you are reallyp stupid.how can you even compare a genius like itachi one of the best ninja all time to sasori a shit which got beaten by sakura and a old hag
vladisimo93 2 months ago
ı am just sure minato is computer -_-
csmubu 2 months ago
itachi would beat any of them in this game. nothing gets past his susano'o and amaterasu
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 really? Minato beat a powered up tobi with the 9 tails! sasori could handle itachi
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 first of all itachi could probably handle tobi too because of susano'o and amaterasu and second of all the only reason the nine tailed fox fought minato was because he was under genjutsu and forced to do it, who else do we know that is the master of genjutsu and sharingan? itachi could probably easily control the nine tailed fox with tsukuyomi. and sasori wouldnt stand a chance against itachi's amaterasu and susano'o
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 susano and amaterasu take a lot out of itachi. And no he could not handle tobi considering tobi got a sharingon just as good as itachi's and rinnegan which is better. Also it really depends if sasori is in his puppet body or if he is in that hiruko. If he was in his puppet body he could last long enough for susanoo to drain to much of itachi. Also amaterasu is dangerous to itachi too. Sasori is immune to genjutsu and that is itachis greatest advantage.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 Sasori immune to Genjutsu is BS fan crap. Sasori has senses, and a "brain" of sorts to interpret them and chakra to manipulate. Amaterasu is more dangerous to Itachi's enemies than to himself, and doesn't bother him much now. And even if Tobi has better eyes, Itachi's proven what he can do while dying of illness, almost blind, AND holding back against Sasuke who is Deidara level. Itachi is a beast. It's notl power and Jutsu. You underestimate skill and intelligence.
SacredBlackKnight 2 months ago
@SacredBlackKnight Actually he is immune to Genjutsu when does it say he isnt? Also Tobi would definetly kick Itachis ass. Tobi can summon the statue that pain could. which could easily kill itachi and is just as big as sasori. You underestimate Tobi who is going to be the final fight for Naruto. Not to mention that Tobi has rinnegan and sharingan. Rinnegan>Sharingan by far. Tobi is not stupid at all quite the opposite
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@SacredBlackKnight i think im on ur side about itachi being able to beat sasori but dude genjutsu really wouldnt work, he cant feel pain, all sasori really is is that heart thing, thats his only weakness genjutsu wouldnt do much to that
deidara0430 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 okay yea tobi NOW with his 6 overpowered jinchuuriki and rinnegen could beat itachi.. he can probably beat anyone, i was talking about itachi against tobi, before he got the rinnegen. itachi can hold susano'o long enough to be able to beat sasori.. what would sasori do fly around and wait for it to waste? he would use moves against itachi's yata mirror which repels EVERYTHING and by doing so he would leave himself open and itachi would attack, and he has sharingan, he would be abl
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 well actually yea... I doubt itachi's flame could catch sasori if he was flying around. I get it ITachi is liked by everyone. Doesn't mean he is the strongest. When did he get rid of nagato? yata mirror won't repel tobi but anyway as said before Itachi can't keep them going forever and all it takes is one time for itachi to be poisoned. Don't forget Sasori ranked above Itachi in akatsuki
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 yea so itachi would only use susano'o and amaterasu in emergency situations and wouldnt wear himself out over it. itach is liked by everyone because he is extremely smart and a beast. the manga episode kabuto uses the reanimation of dead bodies jutsu and nagato and itachi fight killer bee and naruto and itachi breaks out of the control of the jutsu and then uses his susano'o to take nagato out and saved naruto and killer bee from nagato. sasori ranks higher? in what way?
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 You do know that the reincarnations of Kabuto aren't as strong as the real bodies right? Sasori ranked higher in akatsuki. Also Tobi who is stronger then Pain and remember Pain was fighting Itachi, Naruto, and Killer Bee and giving them tips on how to beat him. Pain at full strength would be more then a match for Itachi let alone tobi. The demonic structure summon is stronger then susanoo, also Tobi won't be affected by his genjutsu.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 if Tobi is sooo strong without the 6 paths and rinnegen, why even gather akatsuki members? why make them do all of the work? if he can take every single one and is THAT strong then tell me why.. the best thing Tobi can do (without rinnegen) is become intangible and suck people into another dimension, itachi is WAY too smart to be sucked in and would time the intagingibility and tangibility PERFECTLY because thats how he is. and he wouldnt need genjutsu against him.
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 its simple he couldn't dish out the punishment and was mostly a defensive fighting style (example against minato). Are you kidding me? Are you just praising Itachi cause your a fanboy of Itachi. Tobi after gaining the rinnengan is pretty unbeatable.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 i already admitted that itachi would lose against tobi if he had the rinnegen.. if i can be any more clear about that please ask.. but when he only has the sharingan he could definately find a way to beat tobi.. if konan could, im pretty sure he would too, he would be forced to use izanagi against itachi and itachi wouldnt have his guard down after realizing he was still alive like konan did and would keep beating him.. honestly i think tobi would just run away from itachi
deidara0430 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 -continue- pain was at full strength once kabuto took "complete" control of nagato, at that point he stopped helping about became ruthless and attacked silently and even healed himself to the point that his body wasnt weak and disgusting looking, why didnt he do that before? he didnt even know he could do that with jinchuuriki chakra so obviously the "nagato" being controlled by kabuto was superior. member what kabuto says too? "itachi u truly are on a diferent lvl than the rest"
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 the rest not including Tobi he was probably talking about the rest of akatsuki. and anyway Tobi is the mind of Madara Uchiha as Kisame has seen him without his mask and said it was. Madara could have used a technique similar to wat orochimaru does and became Tobi. Thus getting rid of his body which kabuto resurrects so now there are two madaras. Also whats next Itachi>Sage of Six Paths are you basing all ur logic on fanboyism i mean really? Tobi is above itachi.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 -continue- it is partially fanboyism but im not saying he could beat ANYONE.. tobi wouldnt be able to do anything against itachi.. im pretty sure itachi could find some moves to use on him, tobi isnt even the fighting type really. so if tobi would end up fleeing from itachi in a fight how does that make him above him? if tobi knew SOOO much about itachi "he was a double agent for akatsuki, he only used akatsuki to help sasuke" why did he keep him in the organization? he was scared
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 he kept him in the organization because in the end he still benefited akatsuki. Don't forget that tobi is the most powerful character so far. He could do a lot against itachi. Space time would work on itachi and i doubt he can hold susanoo longer then tobi can hold intangibility. Not to mention Tobi has a more powerful summon in the demonic structure. And it only says that the susanoo protects against physical attack.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 how did he benefit akatsuki? he never benefitted really he was supposed to capture naruto and tobi knew that would never happen. he was too scared to do anything it was a combination of being scared and he wanted to see what would happen with sasuke, but honestly what could he have done if he kicked him out? scared him by punching with his intangible hand? there is a reason why he never confronted itachi, he couldnt scare him or do anything to him dude.. i bet tsukuyomi would beat
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 wow u think that tobi couldn't land a scratch on him right? If so u are an absolute fanboy. Tobi was never scared of Itachi. Don't forget Pain would wipe the floor with Itachi let alone Tobi.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 ok im not saying he couldnt lay a finger on him.. but let me make the point that if he did lay a finger he would probably use amaterasu or wait for him solidify.. all he would have to do is sit there and wait.. while tobi is sucking him in he could use amaterasu or unleash susano'o and seal him away.. its sort of an easy strategy.. and pain wouldnt wipe the floor with him.. u remember that nagato lost to itachi right? he was sealed away. kabuto even said "itachi ur on another lvl"
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 tobi seals you in the dimension to fast for itachi to summon susanno or even do handsigns for amaterasu. So he is on another level of the people he has summoned (except madara who can throw meteors). So you think Kabuto was saying that itachi was also better then tobi with rinnegan? That is bs. Pain could handle itachi and itachi susanoo does great damage to himself he can't hold it longer then tobi without rinnegan can dodge. Don't forget demonic structure>susanoo
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 first of all u dont need hand signs for amaterasu, second of all it is stated that susano'o is activated at lightning speed, as seen when sasuke uses kirin, the thunder bolt, and he counters it.. and once again i never said itachi could beat tobi with the rinnegen.. there is a chance though because tobi cant control the tailed beasts while being used.. but thats a different and harder arguement.. anyway yea itachi can beat nagato, he sealed him away. and demonic structure=no proof
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 wat? he was fighting naruto and killer b at the same time!!! he was focused on them and by the way he was restraining two jinchurikis at once. Itachi got him with the sword will he was distracted. a Pain vs only itachi battle would be a rape. ITachi would die in less then a minute if pain was serious. Why was tobi the leader of akatsuki? Because he was and is the strongest. Anyway so is intangibility activated at lightning speed (example konan).
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 so what? pain is a god in ur opinion he rapes everyone! i bet u even think it was a fluke that naruto beat him.. >.> but anyway im pretty sure that itachi wouldnt get raped.. if he held susano'o up while he attacked what would pain do? there isnt much.. and tobi almost lost to konan.. im pretty sure he can easily take him, he would just do the same strategy but with something else.. like i said all he would have to do is wait for him to get tangible.. he was too scared to fight
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 tobi underestimated konan and dodged an attack that is pretty much impossible to dodge. anyway susanoo can't be held for to long. and don't forget Pain is a one man army
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 continue any jinchuuriki.. what would he have done in the situation against the two tails? if deidara wasnt there he would have run away.. having the sharingan,being able to go intangible, and teleport people isnt enough to do anything.. all u have to do is
A-not rely on genjutsu (easy)
B-wait for him to actually attack and go tangible (time the interval that he can stay intangible and how long he has to wait while being solid)
C- use amaterasu when hes about to suck u in(easy)
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 u overestimeate Itachi abilities. Dude is definetly above the 5 kages and in the top 5 naruto verse characters but Tobi is going to be the final fight not to mention he will get even stronger. 3 tails by the way. And tobi was acting goofy to hide who he was.
seminoleboy96 2 months ago
@seminoleboy96 the final fight will involve sasuke, the only reason sasuke is where he is now is because of itachi, hes the one who unlocked his mangekyo and hes the reason why he has the EMS.. im not over estimating his abilities.. its not really a matter of what type of fighting style u have to beat someone, really its whoever is stronger. naruto in sage mode in my opinion beats pain, and itachi can easily beat naruto sage mode, so i think itachi would find a way to do it, and he used susano'o
deidara0430 2 months ago
@deidara0430 I don't care about sasuke. Tobi has sharingan and rinnegan how would itachi beat him. And I doubt Itachi could beat Pain who by himself restrained the 9 tails (in 8 tails form) I doubt Itachi could beat the man who singlehandedly destroyed konoha. And Pain sacrificed himself, he could still fight. How would he beat sage mode naruto???? That is BS! His genjutsu won't work, naruto in sage mode beats Itachi.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 Lol itachi could singlehandedly destroy the village too, he would just have to use A LOT of amaterasu, how would they stop it? and once again i AGREE WITH U ABOUT TOBI WITH RINNEGEN. im saying tobi WITHOUT the rinnegen would lose. also naruto sage mode has no moves against susano'o, or amaterasu for that matter, whereas nagato has a lot to counter those moves, naruto cant counter anything but his genjutsu. but he still cant do anything against his mangekyo, like susano'o
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 he can't use a lot of amaterasu because it hurts him too. Anyway they could seal it away, I have seen jiraiya seal amaterasu. How would Itachi beat him? Tobi could just suck him into his dimension. TOBI IS IMMUNE TO AMATERASU!!!! Pain could beat Itachi don't forget he has 7 bodies and had enough power to bring everybody in the hidden leaf back to life after fighting the nine tails.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 he would just have to use amaterasu like three times and let it spread all over the village and defend the flames from people sealing it away, eventually it would spread and become so big that people wouldnt be able to seal it away. well honestly i cant really see itachi beating tobi and i cant see tobi beating itachi.. but in my mind itachi has more of a likelihood to actually beat him b/c all he would have to do is wait for him to go tangible, btw he doesnt suck u in very fast..
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 actually he captures people in under 2 seconds... all tobi has to do is teleport behind itachi grab him for two seconds and its over. Tobi can maintain intangibility longer then itachi can maintain susanoo or amaterasu.... and if nobody can seal amaterasu then it spreads around the world killing everyone... not to mention i find it hard to believe that itachi can stop a whole village from sealing something. 2 ninjas could preoccupy him while others seal.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 tobi isnt immune to amaterasu.. he can still get hit by it.. he has to teleport to a different dimension to get rid of it.. he probably goes to a hideout and uses a sealing jutsu to get it off.. so if he actually hit tobi with it, which wouldnt be that hard, especially for itachi, then he could just hold onto tobi and make sure he doesnt teleport or continuously attack him so he cant teleport to get rid of it.. itachi wouldnt just let tobi suck him in and just stand there btw
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 nobody has been able to hold onto tobi. even if he is on fire and itachi has him in his hands then tobi could still teleport out of there. Tobi without rinnegan is not a powerhouse offensively but could definitely outlast Itachi.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 yea ur right, which brings me to my next point, itachi would teleport with tobi and could prevent him from using whatever it is he used to get the black fire off. and he cant outlast itachi.. he would be intangible for 99% of the fight and that 1% of the fight that he became tangible, itachi would definately not miss his opportunity and would do whatever he could and tobi would be extremely scared to become tangible.
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 Tobi doesn't scare. Anyway tobi doesn't waste intangibility against good opponents (example against minato). I don't think Itachi can teleport anyway in the world like tobi? Could amaterasu even hurt tobi when intangible? No it can't and amaterasu takes so much out of Itachi its impossible for him to really outlast tobi. Itachi's genjutsu won't work and Itachi has not been shown to be a taijutsu powerhouse.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 all he has to do is wait until he goes tangible and then use amaterasu.. so its not like he would be spamming and spamming and spamming.. he would just wait for the perfect opportunity and take it. amaterasu clearly hurts him and he has to go to a different dimension to get rid of it. if itachi tags along and prevents him from sealing it away or doing whatever it is he does, it would be easy.. he has to be tangible to teleport so itachi could easily grab on while hes teleporting
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 I don't think he can follow him right? Also how would he force him to be intangible? Tobi can dodge most of Itachi's attacks without going intangible. He is a genius to don't forget that! Also I think that Tobi just sucks the flames off of him he doesn't have to seal it.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 no he didnt suck the flames away i remember that tobi like jumped into the darkness of the room and it looked like he teleported. and u can tell he probably teleported to take care of the problem because after he fell into the darkness it got quiet and u couldnt hear him screaming or the fire burning
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 the fire wasn't making noise... i think he just sucked it in dude. Even if he did teleport Itachi has no way to counter this.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 oh wow i just watched it, i was wrong and u were wrong, it DOES make noise, but i thought that while tobi is yelling and struggling the noise just stopped because he teleported once he backed up into the darkness, but he doesnt, after he dives into the darkness u can still hear the fire and tobi wailing. so u might actually be right. he might be able to suck it away or something.. but dude clearly it takes about 20 seconds to do while he is burning, still vulnerable enough to me.
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 he showed no sign of injury. It looks like it hurt really bad though!!! Most things would die with 5 seconds of that shit on them. Tobi isn't even injured by it, that should say something about his abilities. And watch him fight danzo's subordinates he can suck people away in less then 1 second so Itachi is gonna be on the defensive though even if he is on offense tobi is great defensive wise. He also has chakra chains which are a great ability
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 but dude why would he have akatsuki then? think about it.. if he could arguably defeat every single jinchuriki one on one by sucking them in or teleporting or whatever, why would he need akatsuki? why would he need pain, kisame, kakuzu, deidara, and even itachi? why? why? why? he must not be THAT hard to defeat and he probably isnt a good fighter. when he fights danzo's people he loses an arm from carelessness. ill bet u he isnt confrontational and isnt a good fighter.
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 It would take a lot longer to suck in a tailed beast versus a human. He is not much of a powerhouse offensively back before he got the rinnegan. He isn't a careless fighter the guy is smarter then Itachi and a master strategist. He lost an arm because he didn't need it! He is a zetsu clone so just tore his arm off no sweat he regrew it later. He is a master defensively but that won't work against a tailed beast.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 jinchuriki are humans tho so he could still suck them in, no matter what demon was inside of them. there is no proof that he is smarter then itachi, he is definately more knowledgeable and knows more about stuff but itachi is probably smarter, he figures out weaknesses and strategies on the spot and gets out of sticky situations because of that. like when the planetary devastation was happening. and if u still believe that it would take awhile to suck in a tailed beast, what about
deidara0430 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 -continue- susano'o? do u think that he could just go up to itachi and suck him in while susano'o is up? if he cant suck in a jinchuriki then he cant suck in itachi and his susano'o
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 no I don't but can Itachi hold susanoo longer then Tobi can hold intangiblity? the answer is no he can not
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 but as hes sucking him in he can hit him with amaterasu and that will interrupt him sucking itachi in and he will roll onto the floor and it will take him like 12 seconds to suck it away, meanwhile itachi uses susano'o and seals him away with the totsuka sword
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 or he just goes intangible and the flames fall of him. Also it only took him like 5 seconds to suck it away. anyway ITachi can't generate susanoo fast enough to get him.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 but he has to be tangible to suck something in so that would be the perfect opportunity for him to shoot black fire at him. i mean if kakashi and guy could land a hit on tobi from waiting for him to go tangible, im pretty sure that itachi, the one much stronger than kakashi and guy, could find a way. and its been said that itachi generates susano'o faster than lightning, when sasuke tries to use kirin against itachi he uses susano'o in a split second and saves himself rememmber?
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 yea... when did Kakashi hit Tobi again? Anyway tobi does have chakra chains which could restrain susanoo right? anyway we both agree rinnegan tobi would win
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 maybe he acquires the chakra chains after getting the rinnegen so technically thats a different tobi and thats IF the chains could restrain susano'o
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 I think he always had them... Also they probably could restrain susanoo considering they restrained a pissed off 9 tails
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 but the nine tails is an actual solid monster, susano'o, as u said is a spirit jutsu thing, and if tobi always had the chains why didnt he use it against the two tails? instead he ran away and relied on deidara to do all the work.. and dont even say "he was hiding his identity and powers" deidara knew that he could go intangible and tobi admitted that he was "madara" to almost every single member in akatsuki. he COULDNT defeat the two tails alone or any of the other jinchuriki
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 Tobi admitted that he was Madara to only Kisame and Pain? Itachi met him before so doesn't count. Tobi was acting goofy so his opponents wouldn't take him serious giving him an advantage. You think he couldn't take the 3 tails (by the way it was 3 tails)? He definitely could and let deidara do the work which by the way tobi still did like 40% of the work for capturing it.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 ok he told kisame, pain, both zetsus, itachi knew, i bet kakuzu knew too, im sure tobi told him because kakuzu actually fought the first hokage, but thats a longshot, thats most of akatsuki isnt it? and he literally didnt do anything against the three tails.. he just distracted it, but what difference would that have made for deidara? really? he sent in ONE fish that was swimming faster than the three tails so he didnt do much, they just did that segment for comical reasoning only
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 -continue- rofl how the hell did we forget konan? haha konan knew too..
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 yea but he only told the people he needed to tell like pain and zetsu. Kisame was told because he was like the last one left alive. Do you think tobi couldn't do it if he didn't want to? He could have easily beat the 3 tails by himself. Remeber he probably didn't tell deidara because deidara hates uchihas and would then tobi would have to kill him.... u looked over konan because she is the least amazing akatsuki.... and tobi easily killed her
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 rofl is tobi ur favorite character or something?? haha ur such a fanboy of him! "he'd kill deidara" haha my ass.. tobi's weakness is continuous explosions.. deidara could just blow the shit out of him for five minutes straight, how many times does tobi run away when deidara is about to blow something up when sasuke and deidara fight? tobi runs away from explosions because they are his weakness. that brings me to konan, she didnt easily die, she killed him but he used izanagi
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 considering ur name is deidara0430 i would consider you a fanboy of deidara. Yes tobi is my favorite villain my favorite hero is killer b. you know tobi can teleport anywhere right? chakra chains could reach deidara and then its just tobi sucking him into another dimension. He underestimated konan and said it at the end of the fight. He teleported right behind her before she noticed same would happen to deidara
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 but dude u have to be solid to teleport so he couldnt just teleport in the middle of the explosions.. and itachi is my new favorite character deidara is my second favorite lol. also theres no proof he has chakra chains before getting the rinnegen.. also izanagi was used against konan, THAT teleported him behind her not his teleporting ability. remember when sasuke faces danzo and he uses izanagi? he disappears and appears in random spots right? thats what tobi did against her.
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 well i mean chakra chains aren't given by the rinnegan though they could be because of it. Anyway u might have convinced me that itachi could beat a pre rinnegan tobi but post rinnegan tobi would win with medium difficulty. Anyway it would still be a good fight between itachi vs tobi. And i still do believe pain could beat pain
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 well if he did have the chains maybe they were just normal chains until he obtained the rinnegen. and itachi could easily beat the paths of pain with genjutsu, thats pains weakness
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 genjutsu with ur eyes/fingers wont work on pain because of the rinnegan eyes however the toad song is a genjutsu that affects your eyes.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 actually the toads used genjutsu that affected ur hearing, if u simply heard it the genjutsu activated, but with itachi's genjutsu u either look into his eyes or his finger and ur caught in the genjutsu, pain has been caught in genjutsu before, thats his weakness.. it just only affects one at a time so it would be harder, but i think itachi could do it. if ur strong enough with genjutsu there is nothing pain could do if he went under it
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 genjutsu through the eyes doesn't affect him because of the rinnegan... anyway pain could have killed naruto at any time. Dont doubt him. He had fought all of konoha, the kyuubi, and after all that he still could have beat naruto. I doubt itachi knows pains secret so it would be impossible to beat him, dont forget pain mastered yin releaseu. the toad song is the strongest genjutsu so far in the series. Anyway no-one is immune to it but pain is the best suited against it
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 pain EASILY falls under genjutsu, remember ibiki even attempts it to pain, doesnt succeed but its obvious that if ur good enough with genjutsu u can defeat pain using that as his weakness. and i understand that pain is strong, and he probably could have beaten naruto but lets be honest.. do u really think that would have happened? naruto would have just gotten really discouraged.. and then all of a sudden gets back on his feet and overcomes pain. also itachi could figure out the
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 lets face it nobody not even itachi is immune to genjutsu. However pain is best suited to fight it. As it wont effect his body but only his paths... Ofcourse Naruto would win thats because the show is based on him. Lets be honest Pain could have killed naruto then even at the end pain could have killed naruto. Itachi doesn't beat pain but atleast itachi would be a great fight for pain. Itachi is pretty much tied with jiraiya. Atleast u have facts unlike kisame fans.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 uchiha's actually are immune to genjutsu if they train themselves enough to do it. if u have the sharingan u naturally can detect it and repel it. sasuke trained his sharingan to break itachi's genjutsu and tsukuyomi, only a sharingan rapes genjutsu. so clearly pain ISNT the best to go against it, an uchiha is. if itachi had the EMS he could use tsukuyomi 7 times in a row on all Pains and wouldnt even have to move because it would take 7 seconds. and jiraiya is not tied.. u dont
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 actually everyone can lose to genjutsu or tobi's plan wouldn't work. Also Itachi's best friend (don't remember his name) was so skilled with it he could genjutsu itachi. Don't think that pain would let him do that. Pain is both a great fighter in close and long range. Dont doubt toad song it is up there with itachi's anyway pain is good against genjutsu as he can change the frequencies of the chakra thus disrupting the genjutsu. though it will last 5 or 10 seconds.
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 continu- seem to understand itachi's susano'o... NOTHING can stop it. jiraiya and pain both dont have ANYTHING in their arsenal that could go against the yata mirror and sword of totsuka.. jiraiyas best move is his giant rasengan and that wouldnt do anything to susano'o. pains best move is the almighty push, that wouldnt do anything either. the yata mirror repels EVERYTHING. itachi would just evade every attack by pain and figure out their powers and then use tsukuyomi or susano'o
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 can susanoo stop planetary devastation? And couldn't pain outlast susanoo?couldn't preta absorb the sword since its a mass of chakra? If he can't its not a big problem for pain as pain can dance around susanoo until itachi can't hold it anymore. Uchihas don't have endurance pain is the definition of endurance. Idk how he would evade every attack unless in susanoo all pain needs to do is tap him and suck his sould out. amateraso is a non factor here as it can be absorbed
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 itachi would only use susano'o when he absolutely needed to. he wouldnt just sit there and hold it. he would activate it at lightning speed and save himself if he was about to get killed and then put it away and then continuously put it back and forth. but he would probably kill all of the other paths of pain before even using susano'o. itachi would know the planetary devastations weakness and shoot fire balls and even if he got stuck in it susano'o wouldnt break if he got pulled
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 wat? fireballs aren't a weakness of it! Do u think that itachi is as strong as naruto 8 tails mode? If so u are crazy. Also the only way he can harm the paths of pain is by using susanoo he can't hurt them anyother way. U itachi fans are just crazy and would probably say he beats the sage of 6 paths. Rinnegan>eternal sharingan. everybody knows it madara said it. how itachi could beat pain is beyond me and as stated earlier. Demonic structure>susanoo
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 uhh susano'o is extremely beast.. if u add that with the sword of totsuka and yata mirror, hes invincible.. so yea i think he can beat naruto in 8 tails mode because there is no move in 8 tails narutos arsenal that could beat the yata mirror.. same with the pain and his planetary devastation... also itachis genjutsu could be cast on them one at a time.. he can have one in a genjutsu while he is fight off the others and then once that path of pain dies, he moves to the next one.
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 but itachi is terrible with endurance and pain is the definition of endurance. Also pain implied he could make planetary devastation bigger. pain has ranged attacks that can stop itachi's genjutsu
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 what could stop the genjutsu? thats his weakness, he cant do anything against it. i mean think about it, unless ur an uchiha who can break his genjutsu, u would have to fight itachi by staring at his feet and avoid looking into his eyes or his finger. do u know how hard it would be for someone to do that? if they cant look at his face or hands, he could easily throw fire balls at u or weave signs to make shadow clones, u wouldnt know if u were fighting the right one. he is beast.
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 He has only been caught in 1 genjutsu which was on par with Itachi's and lets face it anybody can get caught in genjutsu however pain is better in both the ninjutsu and taijutsu department and thus would win the battle. Itachi is beast Even itachi would get caught in toad song not to mention pain can always bring back his dead paths or use planet devastation simply put it took itachi and naruto and b to beat pain
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 but u do know how easily he is cast under genjutsu though.. if ibiki can find a way to cast genjutsu itachi definately could, except itachi would actually make his genjutsu count and he would paralyze the paths of pain. like i said. how easy would it be for them to stare at his feet the entire fight? he can activate susano'o in the blink of an eye. what if the yahiko path of pain was only staring at his feet and then all of a sudden the sword of totsuka hits him? he wouldnt notice
deidara0430 1 month ago
@deidara0430 actually u could tell if he summons susanoo and who is to say nagato... not pain wouldnt just planetary destruction his ass at the beginning. Also itachi never used genjustsu on nagato when they were fighting so he must have had a reason. Nagato>Everyone but madara and tobi. dont overestimate itachi dude
seminoleboy96 1 month ago
@seminoleboy96 itachi has probably been the strongest akatsuki member after madara. genjutsu > all. we all know that. itachi was so strong in the series and he was almost totally blind and dieing from sickness. Nobody would beat itachi in his best days except a skilled sharringan user, hence madara
Begad1988 1 month ago
@Begad1988 so sage of six paths loses to itachi? NO the rinnegan is better then sharingan and it is great against genjutsu
seminoleboy96 4 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 Dude itachi never wanted power or was ever interested and have you seen his level he was displayed at. Just imagine if he took sasuke's eyes and then got E.M.S and if that became rinnengan he would even own sage of the six path.
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 hahahaha... you hyping itachi is funny. He would never get the Rinnegan and you doubt the sage. Itachi is nothing compared to tobi or madara
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 :P what did i say wrong lol. Do you know rinnengan comes from 1.sharingan 2.Mangekyo sharingan 3.eternal mangekyo sharingan 4.Rinnengan. And have you heard sasukes new power SPOILER ***he can slow down time! thats only from ems, its likely you will get rinnengan if you get the ems, just like what happened to madara. Tobi was scared of a sick mangekyo sharingan itachi lol, if he had ems then rinnengan he would be the best XD Anyway new generation Sasuke and naruto strongest now :D
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 yea its the most powerful. i knew all that. Tobi has rinnegan and sharingan ... no dude sasuke and naruto still arent the strongest as Nagato almost beat naruto, itachi, and killer b... one on one he would destroy naruto or sasuke. Tobi or Madara can could sasuke in less then a minute
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 Nope itachi just take advantage of naruto and killer bee used numbers rather doing it himself and he saved both naruto and killer bee and he is the one who sealed nagato. Even kabuto was shocked itachi hit nagato when a blindspot was needed because of his rinnengan link.This is M.s not even e.m.s. No way naruto is now almost the strongest and even sasuke they surpassed all.What im saying is itachi never was beaten and i dont think he could get beaten :P But madara and tobi for now
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 dude ur full of crap. Itachi had the element of surprise on nagato when he sealed him and when he turned against him. He didn't use the numbers he literally had to have nagato distracted by 2 of the strongest characters to touch him. Sasuke could not beat tobi or madara dude. Tobi is the strongest character in the series. Itachi wasnt even the most talented uchiha of his generation let alone for all time.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 HAH?! lol uchiha itachi was the best of his generation after madara and izuna and your talking shit man. Naruto already gave him kind of good fight but when nine tails come its too much for nagato. Itachi just used the numbers to his advantage.
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 Kabuto was there and was shocked saying itachi got him despite rinnengan link. It was all three of them to bring down chibaku tensei , itachi done all the work. Naruto says aswell itachi saved naruto and killer bee. Itachi sealed nagato aswell, itachi with only M.S you think pain is stronger?? noo way
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 so itachi one on one beats nagato? NO! He needed Naruto and B to land a hit on him. Sealing isnt hard when u got that overpowered susanoo bullshit. Nagato could easily kill itachi ur overestimating itachi next u will say he beats tobi and madara.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 Yh but even tobi said itachi could of killed him if he knew his secret, rare thing for tobi to say that; tobi was scared of itachi. And i have soo many reasons why itachi could probably win with only his M.S if he show full power which he never did, he's more than a genius. Im not overestimating itachi one bit your just underestimating him.
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 not rinnegan tobi just sharingan tobi. how am i underestimating him if he wasn't even the best uchiha of his generation? Face it ITachi is amazing but he isnt even in the top 5 most powerful naruto characters.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 itachi hasnt even shown anyone his full power.. idk how u can underestimate him so much.. the guy doesnt even care about power or wants to make himself stronger..
by the way make sure u read DeathNote9368's entire arguement, he commented like 5 times
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 No he needed naruto and bee for chibaku tensei so dont lie, the hit he got on nagato despite the rinnengan was by himself because of his skill thats why kabuto was shocked. You think shocked for what, naruto, killer bee and itachi ? lol noo way
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 wat??? No he hit Nagato after kicking up a duststorm making nagato not able to see. Dont let me remind you Nagato was restraining and sucking out the souls of 2 of the strongest naruto characters and got blindsided by itachi. In a 1 on 1 fight Nagato stomps Itachi face it, Kakashi and Guy are a match for Itachi and couldn't compare to Nagato's weaker persona pain let alone Nagato
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 Lmao now you just angry because i said itachi can beat pain? Itachi made kakashi go to hospital for a week in a second and guy had to open 7 or 8 gates for kisame, itachi>>>>>>>>>>>kisame. And just because you dont like it you make stories up when kabuto himself said i just checked it before 3 days he was shocked itachi got pain when you need a blindspot to hit him. You face it with full power only M.S itachi would defeat nagato and had tobi's fear.
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 You dont even agree sasuke and naruto are higher than pain at this point, your a joke just a pain fan.
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 Itachi is the real hero, he sacrificed everything and ofcorse i agree tobi, sasuke, naruto surpassed him at this point. Because thier progressing seeking power, itachi never want that he was already gifted and keep in mind itachi didnt use Tsukyomi. so pain is lucky. And by the way itachi is in the top 5 just before nagato.
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@DeathNote9368 dude i read ur arguement for itachi and i completely agree with u.. this guy thinks that tobi and pain could take on every single character in the entire show.. i mean who is he kidding? itachi hasnt shown anyone his full power..
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 And remember tobi couldnt make a move to kohona until itachi died and then he told zetsu now we start to carry on our plans. And when he told sasuke the truth he even says to himself even itachi didnt know my secret or else i would of been dead right now. He even says after death itachi still surprises us. Who in naruto could make tobi like that ? seriously
DeathNote9368 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 wat? I think in the manga right now madara is fighting the five kage on an equal footing don't underestimate these shinobi. Really Tobi could take out the entire pre time skip naruto roster. actually he says he at his best is comparable to Jiraiya, Itachi said it not me... He has terrible chakra reserves and unless he can destroy his opponents soon he is at a major disadvantage
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 yea tobi with the rinnegen and all of the bijuu.. who wouldnt be able to take out the pre time skip roster while having all that? itachi wouldnt lose to jiraiya.. if they fought it would be really close and then towards the end of the fight itachi would pull out susano'o, completely surprising jiraiya and then own him. the reason why itachi ran from him that one time was, A. he didnt even want to be there, he was there to show that he was still alive to the elders, and B. he didnt
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 no sharingan tobi would kill all pre time skip people. Jiraiya would go sage mode and dodge all of susanoo's attacks. ITACHI SAID HE COULDN'T BEAT JIRAIYA!!! So by definition he couldn't beat nagato who destroyed Jiraiya. Who even says Itachi has knowledge on Nagato he doesn't, so nagato would destroy him without breaking a sweat.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 ok first of all itachi has no desire to fight jiraiya because of his strength, he was just saying that he couldnt beat jiraiya to kisame so kisame wouldnt doubt itachi and say, "why didnt u just kill jiraiya..?" cuz itachi wasnt in konoha to fight jiraiya and take naruto, he was there to show the elders that he was still alive and they shouldnt kill sasuke. also jiraiya AND nagato dont have anything in their arsenal capable of beating susano'o.. let alone the yata mirror..
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 Wat? Kisame knew how strong itachi was and if itachi could beat jiraiya he would have said so. He would have taken naruto if jiraiya didn't show up. HAHAHA Who says that susanoo can hit Nagato or Jiraiya??? IM NOT SAYING THEY COULD BEAT SUSANOO'S YATA MIRROR IM SAYING THEY CAN DODGE SUSANOO LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO DRAIN ITACHI TO MUCH! Itachi cant keep susanoo active forever and nagato and jiraiya can definitely dodge it long enough.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 itachi wasnt there to capture naruto u dumbass... and u act like kisame knew every single detail about itachis powers and his limits... and no itachi wouldnt have said so if he could beat jiraiya up because kisame wouldve been like, "ok.. then why are we leaving..?" itachi didnt want to get into such a serious fight, he just wanted his presence to be known in the village so danzo and the elders would know that itachi was still alive and them knowing this would keep sasuke alive.
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 Well Kisame knew probably the most about Itachi except for Tobi. Well Itachi could have used the excuse he was tired from fighting kakashi... If Itachi had the chance he would have took Naruto, what would he tell kisame and the akatasuki umm i had naruto but ummm i just didn't feel like capturing him.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 exactly.. thats why he had to fool everyone into thinking he was too weak to handle jiraiya, that was his excuse to flee from konoha. u do remember that he cares about the leaf village the most after sasuke right? he wouldnt have taken naruto because that would hurt the village in a small way by getting rid of the jinchuriki or secret weapon of the village
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 he cares more about the leaf... as evidenced by him putting a crow in naruto... anyway i can see ur reasoning for him leaving konoha. Do i still believe he would lose to jiraiya yes but not by a lot.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 he did the amaterasu susano'o thing against the raikage when they fought.
and no he WOULDNT LOSE.. u never give me any reasons how he would get past susano'o.. NOTHING can.. well almost nothing, but jiraiya has nothing in his arsenal that would get past the susano'o.. u think he would jump around and try to outlast it, but if he set amaterasu all over the place and he couldnt jump around in as many spots, he would be at a disadvantage and wouldnt be able to dodge as easy
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 so u think that for like 10 minutes of running in circles and flying around itachi wouldnt land one single hit..? if it came down to them waiting for susano'o to deactivate, then itachi could just spam amaterasu everywhere and they would be limited 2 where they could jump around and then that would force them to go into specific areas and itachi would take advantage of that and hit them that way. both of those characters would have to do all this w/out looking in his eyes or hands
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 haha has itachi used amaterasu and susanoo at the same time ever? Amaterasu doesn't work against Nagato anyway so that's irrelevant. also I think Frog Song might work on Itachi... Don't forget that jiraiya might be strong enough to break through susanoo's ribs. As said Genjutsu doesn't work on sage mode jiraiya as he could stare straight into itachi's eyes and the other sages could snap him out of it.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 u act like he wouldnt be able to... if sasuke could use amaterasu while using susano'o on his first try, im 100% positive itachi could too... and amaterasu could still affect him if it was all over the ground and all over the place, there would be so much he would have to pay attention to it and get rid of it somehow and that would be the perfect opportunity for him to strike at him.. and yea ur right about sage mode, when ur in sage mode genjutsu doesnt work against u
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 anyway nagato can blast the flames away and amaterasu is dangerous to itachi too. Did sasuke do that? When was that?
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 also i forgot to address ur opinion about tobi beating all pre time skip people.. if u have been catching up with the naruto shippuden series.. then u would know that tobi got his ass kicked by minato.. tobi had to run away like a little girl after losing and the only reason he didnt kick tobi's ass right away before he released the kyuubi is because he had to take naruto as a hostage just to last like two minutes in the same room as him.. if minato could take him most kages could
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 ummm he was using a considerable amount of his chakra to restrain the kyuubi so he was controlling the nine tails and fighting minato. Minato says that Tobi is stronger then him and had to suprise him with his special kunai to beat him... even then Tobi only lost an arm which he can grow back fairly easily. Minato is stronger then most kages dude. The only one i can think thats stronger then minato is hashirama.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 dude.. tobi got his ass kicked.. accept it.. it didnt take him, "a considerable amount of chakra" he was fine.. u could tell that he was unaffected from using the sharingan on the kyuubi.. he was perfectly fine.. and minato was faster than tobi and outsmarted him like 4 times in those two episodes.. tobi had to teleport away because minato owned him so much.. u cant use the excuse that he was "tired" from using genjutsu.. that had nothing to do with how he lost, he wasnt fast enuf
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 actually listen to Minato... he says that tobi wants to avoid a long fight because it would waste necessary chakra to control the kyuubi. U also missed Minato calling Tobi stronger then himself or the 3rd. Tobi went up against the FASTEST NARUTO CHARACTER!!!!! and lost by a millisecond so thats not a bad thing. He also had no knowledge of minato's kunai ability. MINATO IS THE 2ND STRONGEST HOKAGE AND COULD BEAT ITACHI!!!!
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 he didnt say tobi was stronger than him or the 3rd, he said he is better with teleportation jutsu than him and the second hokage. and he got outsmarted and lost because he wasnt fast. so thats a ligitimate loss to me. and if it wasnt a loss then why didnt he stick around to see what the nine tailed fox did? he got as far away from there as possible. ok if he could beat itachi then tell me how he would get past susano'o and his genjutsu? he would put up a good fight but would lose
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 so the raikage sucks because he lost to minato? Dude Tobi was fighting THE fastest naruto character in a speed race. They both didn't want a prolonged fight and tobi had to just charge in because a prolonged fight would make him lose control of the kyuubi. Not to mention Minato used his best move against tobi and only took out one arm. how would itachi defeat tobi without rinnegan? It would be a draw because tobi would just teleport out of there.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago
@seminoleboy96 ok if u run away because u cant handle fighting any longer.. its a loss in my book, and everyone elses book. thats what he did, he ran away to recover, otherwise he would have died. no proof that that was his best move. and tobi actually says that if itachi knew who he really was and what his ambitions were and what he knew, itachi would have killed him. he says that in like shippuden episode 139 or something. and its not a draw if one runs away, its a draw if they both lose
deidara0430 3 weeks ago
@deidara0430 no he said if itachi knew more about him then he would be dead, like if itachi knew of his abilities.
seminoleboy96 3 weeks ago