Punjabi Pathan Sindhi Baloch nay Pakistan ka baura gharq kar deya. India ke taraqe ka raaz he yea hay K wahan yea janta administration may nahi. Magar aap kay mulk Pakistan may is Nasal nay aap ko debo deya. Geo Azad Goe Hindustan
it brings tear into my eyes . you crying for u s..oh my moulana oh moulana you could see our destruction...you could see into future ...but the blind ,dumb and deaf led us into the vally of destruction...oh moulana may Allah pak showers his kindness on you....
maulana azad was a great visionary of his era.He was an staunch supporter of united india . azad wrote a book named india wins freedom and in his will wanted this book to be published after his death .The last parts of this book were never published by authorities. It was early hindumaha sabha members who were bent upon to thrust thier brand of nationalism which conviced muslims of sub continent for seperate nation so that thier identity is protected..
Maulana Azad and the Quaid-e-Azam would be ashamed to see with what has happened to the Subcontinent were they alive today. Ethnic strife, religious fanaticism, and social discrepancies are the real issues here.
Coming from an outsider perspective (I'm from the Philippines), I have immense respect for both men, even if they were at odds with each other. If only Muslims had the qualities of these two, then Islam wouldn't have such a bad reputation as it has now.
@akosigundam Moulana will not be ashamed, he kept crying, shouting and requesting ML persons to stop hate against the hindus, but Muslim League wanted Pakistan to save their lands, industries and status. Moulana was right, Jinah was used, ML was wrong.
qAID E AZAM WOULD HAVE REGRETTED HIS DECISION IF HE WAS ALIVE.
BUT MAULANA WAS A SUPERSTAR AND SO WAS NEHRU ,WHO PREDICTED THAT PAKISTAN WILL FALL UNDER THE HANDS OF RULING ELITES AND ROGUE MILITARY and the true muslims will suffer.
read the book written by Maulana and the interview he gave in 1946
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This great person and his philosophy is relevant even today. He showed how UnIslamic the Two Nation theory is and showed how muslims can live with non-muslims and work for the betterment of mankind. May God grant him Jannat ul Firdaus.
Agar pakistan nai banta to dunya ki koi bhi muslim country atamic country nai hoti, na hi foji taqat hoti, Aj Pakistan ka musalman , islam ke liay jitni awaz utha skta hey itni koi nai uthata kio ke hm hindu ki domination me nai hain, sub se ziada awaz pakistan se uthti hey, Maulana abdulkalam Azad or Muhammad ali jinnah me faraq tha, Maulana abdulkalaam Azad Secularism ki bat krty they, or Muhammad ali Jinnah Muslmanoon ki bat krty they.
@farsara , it is fabricated propeganda which was made by foriegn media and you are misguided , We live better condition in Pak, We confess we have problem, we will control situation, Nations go through examination in world, How can you fool understand this.... because you are stuck in Jewish net
@zkhannn Sorry dude, Maulana Azad Islam se logon ki fadiya ki baat kartein they. Jinnah used to USE Islam for his own political benefit. That is the reality.
A person who drinks wine, eats pork and has a wife who wears clothes so revealing that even the English were offended can't be considered as a leader of muslims. You have to see outside the veil of Pakistani state propaganda to realise the reality.
Agar maulana abdulkalam Azad , national congress me hinduon ki Himayat krne ke bajay Musalmanoo ko Iqtadar me shamil krny ki bat krty to india ko partition se bachaya jaskta tha. Quid e Azam Muhammad ali jinnah ne akhir tk koshish ki thi partition se bachane ke liay, lekin nehru ne kaha ke aik dafa hum ko Hukoomat milne do phir musalmanoo ko bhol jao.
@zkhannn Jinnah gave an excellent "gift" to the muslims. Instead of uniting he divided the muslims of the subcontinent into three parts. What Himayat he has done for muslims, we can see today.
molana was a great leader,,,,,,im pakistani ....hijrat bhinhi ki ,,,lekin ,,,taasub aur jazbat ko aik taraf ker kay baaat karo to molana kay dalail ziada mazboot hay keh quran o hadith kay mutabiq taqseem jaiz nhi sari india hi musalmano ka hona chahiyayyy thaa......allah pakistan ki hifazat karay
Ali Razi.Vs.. People of Koufa..renegades ...... Assad..Vs.. Supporters of Patrician......renegades I dont understand till now What made Moududi Sb to listen to the pork eater alcohol consuming and follow his path
Galaa tho Gont dhiya Ahle madrasaa nay tairaa Khan say aaye sadha Haq laailaaha illallah
what fault did he find with Abul Kalam Azad Who did not eat pork throughout his life and did not touch licker?
Ali Razi.Vs.. People of Koufa..renegades ...... Assad..Vs.. Supporters of Patrician......renegades I dont understand till now What made Moududi Sb to listen to the pork eater alcohol consuming and follow his path
Galaa tho Gont dhiya Ahle madrasaa nay tairaa Khan say aaye sadha Haq laailaaha illallah
what fault did he find with Abul Kalam Azad Who did not eat pork throughout his life and did not touch licker?
Ali Razi.Vs.. People of Koufa..renegades ...... Assad..Vs.. Supporters of Patrician......renegades I dont understand till now What made Moududi Sb to listen to the pork eater alcohol consuming and follow his path
Galaa tho Gont dhiya Ahle madrasaa nay tairaa Khan say aaye sadha Haq laailaaha illallah
what fault did he find with Abul Kalam Azad Who did not eat pork throughout his life and did not touch licker?
6. Was 2 nation theory by Muhammad Ali Jinnah was right? If yes than why 1953 immigration act was imposed to stop migrating the Indian Muslims in Pakistan?
7. Are Indians really 2 nations or it was politics of British "divide & rule" & if this policy was & is, black spot on Indians, than we should nominate which local leaders to be on right of britishers to support them in this?
8. Why an imported British Indian, Muhammad Ali Jinnah was chosen as our liberator of Pakistan, was there any shortage of talent & Personalities to lead by a local Indian Leader?
9. Muhammad Ali Jinnah was killed or died? (according to resources he was in Chamman with 1 old nurse & a driver cum cook with a obsolete vehicle to perform the role of Ambulance & is this the protocol given to head of state or to a disposable syringe whose role was no more required)
my grand parents and parents migerated from Indian Punjab to Paksitan Punjab in 1947. what i remember from their words is that they may never migerated if there was no bloodshed of muslims in east punjab. they all came temporarily but could never go back. from the facts learnt from those who lived in west punjab at that time, i belive same happened to hindus and sikhs living in west punjab
I am a Muhajir Pakistani n b4 comin 2 US i spend a great life in Pakistan, i am proud 2 say Pakistan is truly OUR PAKISTAN like odr ethncs of Pakistan. I cannot 4get how india is butchering Muslims in india cuz they knew no 1z gonna stop thm.
Today i m soo happy dat my grand parents choose 2 come 2 Pakistan 4rm UP india, even they left all the property, lands behind.
@Qauseq I am very happy dat u r sayin this bro, n i wish all Muslims of India liv happily. I hope u r not telling a lie cuz i had 2 indian muslim friends they r 4rm Ahmadabad n they told me v r living in india in fear of hindus who can kill any muslim any time wth full support of police n some political party n they can burn our shops or buisness anytime. Kashmir is Khuli Kitaab no 1 in world can deny it. Therz too much pain in Pakistan wen anythng wrong happen 2 Indian Muslims.
It is nice to see that people in pakistan do care about us; muslims in India, I thought we were the forgotten lots and resigning to the fact that pakistan will leave no opportunity to inflict pain on us. (mind it, by pakistan i mean Pak Govt). I am not complaining about this, because we all know that after all how it is taking care of its own people.
I ask you why do you feel pain for us, you should rather say that we were all fools to have stayed back in India,:- what right we had to stay back here in India, we should have followed you , after all; the so called representative of muslims of undived India got what they wanted for all muslims, right isn't it.
I understand that you are generalising the things here from some specific incidents. If two people had shared some of their personal bad experiences with you, then i think that doesn't mean that such incidents/experiences are happening all the time and everywhere in India and also offcourse with everyone, but having said this at the same time I do also accept that there is no denying the facts either; that such things never happened at all.
@Qauseq Actually sum muslims of india will always remain ignorent. they knew dat india is doing wrong bt they will not speak it out cuz of indian fear or sum terrorist hindu organizations fear.Bt those who will rise their voices against indian brutality they ll b butchered.International media had shown wat happened in Gujrat n wat is happening in Kashmir.
I too know some people both Indian muslims who have been to pakistan as well as pakistani muslims who have been to india, and all of them had nothing but only bad experiences to share with me about pakistan . So tell me which situation should be more sorrowful to me, the former or the latter.
You must tell your Ahmedabad muslim friends that there are so many muslims like me who live without fear in India and by the way, I too have lived near Ahmedabad for almost a decade and know quite number of Gujarati Hindus and as well as Gujarati Muslims. I have both pleasent and bitter memories with both
@Qauseq u r living wthout fear cuz u say nothing abt indian attrocities 2ward poor muslims. indian aggression towards muslims is an un denyable fact. n if u ignore it 2day god forbid it can reach to UP muslims too.
@Qauseq Shukar hai Allah ka aap yaqeen karo humay bohut khushi hoti hai agar india kay Musalman khush rehtay hain. aap khush ho Mashallah hamesha Allah aap ko india mein hi khush rakhay.
Moreover for a moment even if we consider that pakistan really want to believe that Muslims are being butchered in India, then i think you must ask yourself who is responsible for it? and what face pakistan has even to challenge India on this,?.
Moreover for a moment even if we consider that pakistan really want to believe that Muslims are being butchered in India, then i think you must ask yourself who is responsible for it? and what face pakistan has even to challenge India on this,?.
It has been really easy for us to quantify as to how honestly pakistan feels for us, it is quite visible through its actions; right from its inception has always been high on confrontation with India regardless of any consideration and forsightedness.
@Qauseq If Pakistan is high on confrontation wth india since its inception so wat has this to do wth indian muslims. u want us 2 sit like idols while india captures our land wow u r gud at joke dear. but remember india can do nothing 2 Pakistan, even india RAW n military knows abt Pak power if india tried any mischevious act it ll b end 4 india.
yes we all know the might and courageous acts of pakistan milliatry.
doesnt Kargill remind you of anything.? please stop this self glorification.
Indeed what a novel way pakistan has found in claiming its own Land. By creating insurgency in Punjab, shreiking its own responsibility and inciting a civil war in Kashmir. Is that how Islamic Govt functions. Aapko maaloom hona chaahiyay ki Aaapki Hukoomat Awwal darjay ki nikammi aur fitteen hay, Yeh sab kay sab Fitnah parwar hain.
@Qauseq Pakistan military is very strong n can defeat any country easily.
kargil remind me how india captured it illegaly in 71 war thn Pakistan in 99 tried to get its land bak n defeat india bt as u also kno our govt is corrupt so wen india request US thn US ask democratic govt of Pak 2 wthdraw in return of $ n stupid leader order troops 2 wth draw, Pak army who had already won waz so angry at this bt hav no way. -cont-
@Qauseq Later General of military( whose origin waz Delhi he waz a Muhajir) throw the govt n again military rule came thn he later held elections n world saw dat Pakistanis were happy dat he throw dat govt who in return of money wthdraw his troops who had won already, so voting result came as ppl of Pakistan choose Musharraf to rule.
@Qauseq Pakistan had not create insurgency in Punjab it waz cuz india military crush the Sikhs there, damage n abuse their sacred worshipping place n kill huge num of Sikhs dat waz the reason plz dont beleive ur news wthout knowing facts.
I accept Pakistan govt is corrupt n nikkammi etc. I am Pakistani n i accept the facts.
As for the kashmir, you say kashmir is an open book, yes indeed it is an account of dastardly acts of pakistani govt, how it has misused and played with the kashmiri people. I firmly believe and fully resolved that Kashmir should never ever go to pakistan, Certainly they dont have any future with pakistan.
@Qauseq wat r u saying man i doubt u r indian muslim. dont belive indian channels watch international channels. Kashmirz ruler promis Kashmiris dat he will join Pakistan but he dodge thm n joined india. it is ppl of Kashmirz wish to join Pakistan. n if u ask me i wish Kashmir wud nt join Pakistan too it shud b a separate country n u will find many Pakistanis who wish this.
@Qauseq i ve saw many Kashmiris chanting the slogans 'Pakistan se rishta kya LA ILAHA ILLAL LAH' 'Jeevay o jeevay o jeevay Pakistan ragra o ragra o ragra hindustan' u can search 4 more it is ppl of Kashmirs wish n dream to become provence of Pakistan.
@Qauseq They hav such relations but it is their wish their first dream to separate 4rm india n either join Pakistan or becum independant. india is doing same thing in Kashmir wat nehru wants kashmir is example of dat. this is wat nehru wants he wants land also n he want 2 crush Muslims also. same thing is happening in Kashmir, i kno ur heart knows i m true but u will not speak it out.
I dont know why you glorify 'Pakistan Zindabad', I hope it is not for being one of the most corrupt country, and for murdering people every now and then in masjids (I cant imagine myself living in an islamic country and tolerate such things happening even once). I can only say to you in the end, that i feel extremely fortunate not to have been born in pakistan. ALHAMDULILLAH.
@Qauseq Pakistan is my n every Pakistanis life life n life. if polititions of Pakistan is corrupt it is thm 2 b blamed not Pakistan. n the terrorist of RAW r blasting bombs etc in Pakistan there r clear proofs.
@Qauseq I thnk i am very lucky my grand parents move Pakistan leavin behind their big lands n properties, once my dada told me v got a whole muhalla in UP city badayun all family members liv their all streets n hawelies(big houses) were ours but our whole family kick everythng n mov 2 this great land. ALHAMDULILLAH i open my eyes in Pakistan my motherland.
Forgive me if my words hurt you anyway. If indeed it has hit you, i request you to kindly understand that it was only meant to wake you up and certainly never hurting a brother. Although i wish i could do it mighty hard :) Kaaaaaash May aap sab logon ko jhinjhor kar Rakh dayta.
May Allah forgive us all of our mistakes and bless us all ever with His Guidance. Ameen.
@Qauseq I didnt mind at all brother but yes i got a shock how u completely ignored indian attrocities toward muslims n Pakistan. d u kno not only Kashmir but Hyderabad Deccan, Junagadh & Manavadar also joined Pakistan but waz occupied by india. india had always damage Pakistan, india in 71 broke Pakistan in 2 parts.
Yes indeed Allah hum sub ko sahi rasta dikhai aur hum per apna raham farmai. Ameen.
Kiya aapkay Zehayn May yeh baat ab talak bhi nahee aati ki Hindustan Ko Taqseem Karnay Ka faislaa , darsal may bahut bari saazish thi. Aaap Log ghor kiyun nahi kartay, May samjhta hun kay yeh Koi itnee mushkil baat toh nahee.
@Qauseq to meray bhai sazishi to nehru hi tha na bhai, hum Pakistanis ko Gandhi je say koi shikwa nahi hai Nehru nay Musalmano kay huquq tasleem hi na kiye wo to chahta tha kay india tootay bhi na aur musalman rehe bhi nichla gulam ban kay. Jinnah sahab nay to kaha tha kay hum Pakistani rehnay ko tayyar hain lekin nehru apnay aap ko sab samajhta tha woh to NWFP chala gaya takay Pathan india kay haq mein faisla karen lekin Pathan nay usay aisa bhagaya ke phir na aaya wo udhar.
The only thing that pains me is when i see ourselves i.e we Muslims go wrong, I know we moved to several places fearlessly to spread , convey and remain steadfast on 'HAQ' and not to runaway from it. It is of utmost importance that we should correct ourselves rather than enumerate the mistakes and misdeeds of others.
Forgive me if my words hurt you anyway. If indeed it has hit you, i request you to kindly understand that it was only meant to wake you up and certainly never hurting a brother. Although i wish i could do it mighty hard :) Kaaaaaash May aap sab logon ko jhinjhor kar Rakh dayta.
May Allah forgive us all of our mistakes and bless us all ever with His Guidance. Ameen.
maulana no doubt had a strong hypothesis for his argument but his actual argument was never strong! but still, his efforts were commendable! but his side undetermined!!!
Great leader Maulna Azad was a leader with compromising mind, Mohammad Ali Jinnah was greatest revolutionary leader, with a future vision of greater Muslim Ummah. Many nations including extremists Hindu hate this vision. Pakistan is just a beginning ....
I answered your questions. Maulana Azad did not believe in separate electorates. What is so difficult to understand. He saw pitfall in Pakistan's formation which is completely separate issue. Thats what I am also talking about. His brilliant speech makes sense even today. I see major problems.
PS. I have no wish to sacrifice myself for Pakistan either. I have my own history and ethnicity just as native Pakistanis do. This is not hate. You are not very smart.
My family members are married to Muhajirs. I can't imagine deranged you thoughts are. Pakistan has a long list of Muhajirs heroes in every part of its life.Qadir Khan, Moudoudi, Faiz, Edhi, Anwar Mqsoood...list goes on!. Muhajir runs the biggest city Pakistan; Karachi.
BTW when is Shah Rukh Khan is going to be kicked back in Pakistan by your people?
What that shows is you know about, care about few. Does not prove there are no bigger problems. You dont recognize them because of restricted vision. I have mentioned only few. I have talked to Pakistanis who wish death to Muhajirs, who hate Indian Muslims, who are racist to the core.
Is there any part of the world where racists don't exist? Muhajirs are hated by thousands, admired by millions.
150 millions untouchable with 3% education, far below poverty line, living in shanty towns,Is it your Proud? Is that the "vision" you inherited by this Joker?..Is that you wanted to see with Muslims in Pak & BD?....Good Luck!
This Joker threw you against Hindu majority. Deranged, with lost culture, language and Identity on the pity of a majority who treat you like scurvy dongs...gg
I have no interest, neither does India want Pak or BD, nor do I want to go to Pak/BD. Majority Indians dont want Pak or BD in India. Remember Congress agreed to partition. India did not annex BD in 71. Situation of Indian Muslims is Indian matter. I was born in India, we are Indians and love India no matter what the political and social situation. We have long history and culture which we own with pride. We are not going to abandon this history in the name of running away from hindus.
Pakistan's horrible ideology is corrupting Islam, producing terrorists who Pakistanis think are great while Muslims with hundreds of years warrior history of building empires are 'scum'. Pakistan and Pakistanis have become an existential threat. I have come across Pakistanis who want to destroy Taj Mahal. They're enemies of Indians in general, many have similar thinking to Hindu extremists for different reasons.
As for Muslims in India generallay conditions worse than dalits is well known. Even Indian govt acknowledged it. But this also comes from historical political reasons. Therefore it is way over time, Muslims joined national mainstream, including Indian military in large numbers.
Scroll up and look what the video and the subject of this debate is about. It is about "vision" of Azad and why should Pak not exist.
Sure Pakistan is not a perfect solution. But my argument is that it was least horrible solution for the Muslims of India in 1947. My surprise that you are comfortable with Indian Muslims living like Dalat under Hindus but have hatred against Pak and it's people. My pleasure that Scum like you never migrated to my country.
Majority of Indian Muslims live comfortably in India. It is a only a myth that their conditions are bad and is again and again repeated in Pakistani media and homes. If they don't repeat this rhetoric, who will keep the Pakistani dream alive? It's already a failed state, failed people.
I am sure that 400 pages of Sachar committee report is just a load of crap and propaganda made by Pakistani media. May Allah Let you live in Good condition as you are living now.Amen.
I dont think abandonment of constituency has ever occurred in political history as in Pakistan related politics. This is horrible. Not of any sort with previous experience in leadership. You have to be blind not to see dysfunctionalities.
1) Muslim politicians abandoned constituency in northern india.
2) West pak politicians rejected Awami league. Bhutto told Bengalis to go to hell.
3) Pakistan abandoned own citizens of Bihari origin in Bangladesh.
Answer to your question is Maulana Azad did not believe in separate electorate.
I will post this again. Not at all exhausted. (For some reason it did not fully appear in youtube).
If Muslims combined could not get separate electorate how you think Maulana Azad could get it? I am glad he stayed with Congress, provided much needed leadership.
sahabji, I can turn around your question and ask, if Muslims combined could not get separate electorate then how you think Maulana Azad could get it for you? I am glad he stayed with Congress. There were very very few Muslim politicians left in India at independence, almost all northern Muslim politicians went to Pakistan. They're called Muhajirs and Guests by native Pakis. While nobody calls Advani, MMS, IK.Gujral, etc, "guests" and "migrants" in India.
I see you are clearly exhausted by my questions and your ignorance over history is clear to me. My questions underscore the "vision" of Congress Show-boy on critical issues at critical times. And it can bee seen that guy was a Loser! He was never fighting for anybody but himself.
The word Muhajir is never a bad word in Islam and in Pakistan. In an early comment, I gave you a long list of their achievement in Pakistan.
I see you have not answered questions regarding failures of Pakistan. But you do resort to personal attacks. You are full of yourself and ignorance which is why Pakistan is in the state it is in. You dont need to tell me about history of Muslims and Pakistan, I am from the core of this history. Part of my extended family is in Pakistan, including those who served its military. Had relatives in East Pakistan too.
From 1916 to 1937; the politics of Jinnah and ML was all about Muslim communal rights and reasonable representation in central legislative. They turned to Pakistan only when their demands were rejected by Congress. Why in all of those year, your beloved Azad were sitting in congress' lap?..why didn't he come forward to Muslim league for Muslim's right? Had Muslims followed Azad there would be some 450 million "Muslim Dalat" living in United India, as contrast to 800 million Hindus.
i think thats becoz maulana azad was a true believer of a secular state. he was not for any preferential treatment of ANY community. jinnah played on the sentiments of muslims.
We are talking about different things. I dont have problem with Pakistan as state. But it was created by the wrong vehicle. Its ground political reality is narrow, geared more toward ethnic and regional nationalism.
Absolutely, Now you are on the line. You said right that "Almost all Muslims in India voted for AIML"...so here is the mystery for you to solve: Why didn't Azad agree to grant separate electoral to Muslims? Why didn't he agree for communal autonomy WITHIN the Union of India?..Why didn't he agree for Cabinet mission plan for grouping scheme and Indian Union? He could have agree with ML on these issue and would have avoided the creation of Pakistan.
You keep calling Muslims "Dalit". Serves your ego and racism. Where I come from Muslims have never been ruled by Hindus/Sikhs (however P-A-K "Paks" have). Name calling does not change history. For centuries Muslims where I come from, we called/honored lowcastes as "Ansari".
Muslim are refereed to "Dalit" in Sacher committee reported presented to PM of India. I am referring Indians attitude towards Muslim. You are such a Jackass!
Ofcourse different people are living side by side in Pakistan, this is not something great, but when it comes to power things change. Why else did West Pakistan politicians reject Awami league. Youre seeing Jinnahs comment of Muslim show boy out of context from the prism of Pakistani nationalism. This was not Pakistanis versus Indians. Even Pakistan of 47 ceased to exist in 71.
Indian Muslim League was Indian political party. Almost all Muslims in India voted for AIML and it represented Muslim political interest within India. Its headquarter was Lucknow, Jinnah was elected from Bombay through Congress, recruited in Lucknow while he was also Congressman like Maulana Azad. Aligharh Muslim university was intellectual headquarter. All are respected by Muslims of India.
sahabji, I respect dalit Muslims. Theyre first to defend Muslims when riots breakout. I dont see Pakistanis there.
Have talked to many Pstanis. Pstan nationalism is contradictory, lacks intellectual and Islamic basis. Way it is P'stan is actually blocking Islam. As a state, it would be called hypocrite. I dont see Pstanis making good contribution due to nationalism/racism, extremism, terrorism. Pstan is not at peace with itself or with neighbors. It needs lot of maturing.
Why Your Molana did not agree to Cabinet Mission plan of 1946? Why this congress Show boy didn't agree to give Muslims the communal rights in grouping scheme? Why didn't he agree to award the Muslim minority the separate electorates for legislative assembly??...He could have agreed and avoided the creation of Pakistan!...I know you are speechless here. For your "Pstan" ranting; let me tell you that, Karachi, Lahore, Quetta and Peshawar are far more multiethnic than you would have imagined!
Maulana Azad has proved to be incredibly great visionary, things which no Muslims that I know of had thought of at the time or predicted. This speech proves he obviously had far deeper understanding, insight of the ethno-social-poitical aspects of the Muslim majority areas. He saw the pitfall of forming Pakistan through Indian Muslim League.
There is some audio issue; my equipment is fine; i wish i could listen to this speech with clarity and understanding. Anyways, I am aware of Maulana's approach; i have no doubt in my mind that most of his prophecies have been fulfilled after 60 years of the partition of India ( i was born in Karachi and my parents came from India in the wake of the partition). We not been able to produce one such scholar in Pakistan. How unfortunate!
This man could not offer anything to the Muslims of India. He conceded on federal issues. He conceded in communal and provincial issues. What did he provide as alternative to Pakistan? , nothing, Nata!
If Muslims of India have followed this joker, they would be living like niggers, and untouchables (well they are still in India). Can anybody tell me how would Muslim survive in India with 75% Hindu majority??
Maulana saying to Muslims (in today's India) not to leave for Pak. He says you could face discrimination and violence for different reason in Pak and BD, which came true.
Abandoning own country and land because of political violence and discrimination is stupid. In retrospect it was a mistake.
As if Islam cannot spread in India. To assume that is going against Islam and Allah.
Migrates form India to Pakistan are the most educated and prosperous people in Pakistan. Jinna, Liaqat Ali Khan, Musharraf, Dr A Q, Khan, Mouloana Modoudi, Anwar Maqsood, Edhi.., A long list of Pakistani Heroes and Influential people are Indian migrants. Thank God they didn't stay India to live like dalat. Ask some Indian Muslims, How is to be an Indian Muslim in India.
A question to you: What was the alternative put forward by Congress Joker Azad to Indian Muslims as contrast to Pakistan?
Allah aap ke darje buland kare aap ki sonch aap ki fikr sare sare allam ke musalmano ke liye ek kamiyabi aur roshni ki mashal sabit thi . jo ke in gumnam andheron ke aage chip ker rehgayi.
at that time if the muslims were understand, who is the real leading leadership we will not suffer so much loss as we are facing lot of identity problems. we should learn through which we lost for the better Feture .
In E.Pak, Bengalis ethnically cleansed Bihari Muslims. Rest are still in camps. In Bihar, Muslims are free in their home, if they get killed they are on their own soil. Civil wars happen, no reason to run. Besides, why would Muslims help Hindutva extremists to depopulate India of Muslims? If Muslims in the past had used Pakistans stupid ideology, there would be no Muslims in Pakistan today.
Might be unsafe in India for Muslim, but very unsafe in Pstan for other reasons. Muslims moving to Pstan did not think they were moving to Ethnic states, P-Punjab, A-Afghania, K-Kashmir... Automatically makes me 2nd class. I have my own ethnicity. Even Punjabis in Pakistan cannot move in great numbers to Pakhtunkhwa or Balochstanyou think 150 million Muslims from India can? Its either crap talk or hypocrisy.
Kaifyc, cannot be called Maulana's "wrong" decision. Analyze!Calling it "secular" decision is bias politics, not coming from Islam. Firstly it is unIslamic and cowardice to abandon our own land, history, property, religion in India. It is worse than surrendering to Hindus. Muslims dont do it.
Secondly, the fault is structural weakness. Pakistan is/was made of 'alliances' of provinces, territories, regions, where there are and could be largescale ethnic majority/minority tension and conflict. This is why Pakistan does not produce Muslim leaders (like Jinnah). Each Pakistani leader knows about and looks after his "own" kind and is not responsible for others. In that respect India produces better national or state leaders.
In his mind, Maulana chose path that made sense. Structure of Pakistan was not and is not clear. In minds of Muslims, Pakistan was as Jinnah talked of, everyone equal before the state, free to go anywhere. Muslim migrating from Delhi/UP/MP/Bihar/Bombay was not expecting to be another kind of minority along with area restrictions.
Pakistan was where Indian Muslims who needed could go. Pakistans priority aim was to build strong economy, education, military. But Pakistan did not turn out that way, as is obvious today from B'desh, and self destructive extremism and terrorism in west Pak, multiples of Baluch, Pakhtun insurgencies. Those who moved to East Pak were terrorized, killed, discriminated, and put into camps. Maulana Azad correctly feared all this, and it happened.
Maulana abul kalam was defenitely a great sholer but his politics views was secular (after 1920) and he was a member of indian national congress.this was his wrong decission.kash k wo musalmano ka sath detey or us mission ko pura krte jis ki unho ne "AL-HILAL" or "AL-BILAGH" main dawat di thi !!!!
During partition there was a 2 muslims 1 was jinnah & other maulan. Jinnah entered mosque once in lifetime to marry a parsi girl.he enjoyed pork, alcohol & ladies. on the other hand maulana was a mecca born, scholar & islamic person. But see the fate jinnah created triec to create muslim nation, who didnt knew islam at all.
Humm... You must know Ismaili Khoja Shia faction did not believe Wahabi Sunni Islam values. Besides their religious values most attributed to single person; who --- they think direct descendant of Prophet Mohammed (PBH),
So was the Jinnah who was profiteer, pedophile, and extremely ego maniac, his ego could not stand ahead of J.Nehru. His colourful life;s most minute details exists inLondon.Regular pork eating and washing down with Whiskey on Rock was common occurrence in company of women
greatest scholar of his time, but ignored by Muslims as they ignore every great person for the sake of their small benefits. Whatever he said is now a reality, see it yourself and at least now try to understand his teachings,e.g. tarjamanulquran
Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad - the great son of India. India needs leaders like you. You were a visionary unlike the thousands of muslims who left for a doomed failed country like Pakistan (that even today needs loans from IMF to pay government salaries, just like in 1947). You were right Maulanasaab, today India is stronger because of the colors of unity of its different children.
What you heard is a spin from your Pak media. There are no Hindus left in pak today, none that you can name. I can easily name 2000 Indian Muslims that make India proud. That my friend is India, a country of 180million muslim-more than Pakistan!
Sadly, today patriotism in Pakistan is judged by how much you hate hindus & India. Even your history textbooks don't tell you the truth. When you teach lies, you are actually destroying you own country.
The problem is that Gandhism is confined to the bookstores instead of being taught in schools. Your email talks about Hindu Raj in a bad taste, so I assumed you were being rude to Hindus, if that is not the case then I am sorry.
India is a democracy while Pak is a Islamic theocracy, please read this up.
Even Islamic countries support India more than Pak, should say something. I wish the very best for your country becoz if you are not happy we in India cannot be happy.
I dont know who taught you nonsense abotu the caste system, its banned in India, modern Indians dont practise it. It was used as a tool to convert hindus like your ancestors to Islam. Sorry brother I think your views are hardlined and shaped strongly by the Saudi and Pak media which is taking pak to the brink of disaster. Why should we respect Jinnah? He wanted to divide India, Gandhi did not. But Indians respect JInnah becoz he was secular unlike young pakis today.
Saudi Wahabbist terrorism is a growing problem in Pak today maye not in Karachi becoz its a modern city like Mumbai. Btw, brahmins are only 0.003% of India's population. Sunni Wahabbis are majority of Pak's population which is dangerous for minorities like Shias, Ahmaddiyas.
I have Pakistani friends, they dont have hateful opinion of hindus the way you do.
wahabbis are not a majority in Pakistan. Most Pakistanis are Hanafi Sunnis. Wahabbis/deoband ideology spread to Pakistan from India and those deobands is what kalam azad was!!! Zardari is Shia and so was Jinnah and Benazir bhutto, Don't make comments about things you don't know about
Perhaps you must have half baked knowledge .... Wahabies faction of Sunni Islam originate from Saudi Arabia. It is purely strict Islamic values and teaching adhered. NOT from Deobund - India. The University of Deobund founded only after 1857, first freedom fight for India from British. Indian Muslim realised that, there is not trust in British rule and convergence masses of Muslims to the cause of nation's freedom fight, this was the original basic theme at initial stage Deobund founded.
Also I would urge you to read the history of Pakistan's glorious civilization before the conquest of Islam to appreciate the greatness of your country.
India is a tolerant peaceful vibrant democracy, sometimes imperfect, but always moving in the right direction.
Hope Pakistan can join us so the future generation of children can think differently instead of referring to standard propaganda in the TV and textbooks. This applies to both of our countries.
Caste system is practised throughout SE Asia even amongst muslims, christians as well, its a social problem. Fair skinned Punabi Muslim Sunnis do not like non-fair skinned Muslims or Hindus of India-that is caste system!
Your army keeps telling you guys how weak Indians are & how strong Pakis are. You guys practise the caste system, not us.These are childish discussions, I am glad that the majority of Pakis are good,honest just like the majority of Indians.
Lets analyze this scientifically-for 5000 years Gazni, other Islamic rulers came, raped, massacred millions of Hindus that is why this distrust exists in society today. Every Hindu family has a horror story about how their ancestors were killed, these things are difficult to erase. Still Hinduism guarantees secularism otherwise how else can 180 million patriotic Muslims exist peacefully in India? The greatness of Hinduism is dharmic code. Btw, one of my close uncles is a Muslim.
You know what we call the murders of millions of innocent Hindus at the hands of Islamic rulers-the Islamic Inquisition.
Did you know that Pakistan was a Hindu state, read before 700AD, Pak textbooks teach that Islam came peacefully, its your word against mine. Try to understand my point: I am not here to convince you, I am here to tell you that both sides have mistrust, how can you help to solve them?
Be peace upon you, this is my last comment. I hope to God that we all live in peace.
Nothing against your forefathers accepting Islam. May be they were lower in caste system and suffering heavely under caste system. Good for them and you :) . BTW, I am curious to know which peaceful preacher convinced them to accept it. Was it Muhammad-bin-Qasim ? Muhammad Ghazani or Muhammad Gouri ?
And lastly please understand that no normal Hindu likes Narendra Modi, what he did was politics. People vote for various reasons, strategy, political benefits etc. Did you know that many Hindu and Brahmin organizations protested against Modi across India. But in Pakistan they never show this good side of Hindus in their newspapers or TV. Not you, but the Pak army wants everyone to hate Hindus and brand them as anti-Islamic. Our secular Army consists of Muslim generals, thats why Allah loves us.
Hindus in the Pak army?? really? Thats the biggest joke of the century. You guys hate Hindus, hatred of Hindus is a measure of patriotism in Pak. India is a democracy, Pak is an Islamic republic-please learn the difference before you comment. Most Hindus/Sikhs have been killed in Pakistan maybe a handful left. Look at India-180 million proud Muslims!! The world's 2nd largest Muslim population. Can you name any famous Hindus from Pakistan? Please dont spread such comments.
Sorry I am slightly skeptic about you, your profile does not gives much info about YOU or your origin, name age etc. But you have balance comments for Muslims and those frustrated egoist Pakis who try constantly to downplay Muslims in India and stir things negatively.
well muslims in india is much more prosper than pakistani muslims , well if u say pakistan is short form all the provinces then you never had bangaladesh in it ?
Please dont say bad things about the Maulana, he was the only one who believed strongly in a untied India unlike the divider Jinnah. Maulana was right. Indian muslims are far better off than the violence in pakistan, which keeps taking money from the US, Saudi,China. History has shown that countries borne out of hatred dont survive for long. India is poor, has problems BUT is a million times better than a country like Pakistan. With all due respect for Pakistan - from an Indian.
Punjabi Pathan Sindhi Baloch nay Pakistan ka baura gharq kar deya. India ke taraqe ka raaz he yea hay K wahan yea janta administration may nahi. Magar aap kay mulk Pakistan may is Nasal nay aap ko debo deya. Geo Azad Goe Hindustan
Jay Hind
maymar1 3 months ago
it brings tear into my eyes . you crying for u s..oh my moulana oh moulana you could see our destruction...you could see into future ...but the blind ,dumb and deaf led us into the vally of destruction...oh moulana may Allah pak showers his kindness on you....
nabchu 5 months ago
MAOLANA KI QABAR MUBARAK PER ALLAH PAK KI LAKHON RAHMATAIN HON
shoaib9983 6 months ago 3
moulana ki kahi hui har baat aaj sach sabit ho rahi hai
7863696 7 months ago
@7863696 kis chis ke murtakib ho rahe aap
imranbichu 4 months ago
maulana azad was a great visionary of his era.He was an staunch supporter of united india . azad wrote a book named india wins freedom and in his will wanted this book to be published after his death .The last parts of this book were never published by authorities. It was early hindumaha sabha members who were bent upon to thrust thier brand of nationalism which conviced muslims of sub continent for seperate nation so that thier identity is protected..
ahmadtafeem 7 months ago in playlist indian leaders
hazrat ko ALLAH jaza e kher ata farmae. sach farmaya ap ne or aj kl hm dekh re hn.
ahsaanabid1 10 months ago
jo jo unho ny kha wo aj muslanan e hind pay guzar rahi hy
awaismuneeb 10 months ago
very great aalim but barkers at him insha Allah be cursed by Allah Almighty
mtalha29 1 year ago
Maulana Azad and the Quaid-e-Azam would be ashamed to see with what has happened to the Subcontinent were they alive today. Ethnic strife, religious fanaticism, and social discrepancies are the real issues here.
Coming from an outsider perspective (I'm from the Philippines), I have immense respect for both men, even if they were at odds with each other. If only Muslims had the qualities of these two, then Islam wouldn't have such a bad reputation as it has now.
akosigundam 1 year ago
@akosigundam Moulana will not be ashamed, he kept crying, shouting and requesting ML persons to stop hate against the hindus, but Muslim League wanted Pakistan to save their lands, industries and status. Moulana was right, Jinah was used, ML was wrong.
TheFoslaUog 9 months ago
@akosigundam
qAID E AZAM WOULD HAVE REGRETTED HIS DECISION IF HE WAS ALIVE.
BUT MAULANA WAS A SUPERSTAR AND SO WAS NEHRU ,WHO PREDICTED THAT PAKISTAN WILL FALL UNDER THE HANDS OF RULING ELITES AND ROGUE MILITARY and the true muslims will suffer.
read the book written by Maulana and the interview he gave in 1946
amalvarma1 2 months ago
The country was doomed from the beginning. It was and is an impossible idea. Islam is about Brotherhood not nationhood
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Jerrilee2994 1 year ago
This great person and his philosophy is relevant even today. He showed how UnIslamic the Two Nation theory is and showed how muslims can live with non-muslims and work for the betterment of mankind. May God grant him Jannat ul Firdaus.
MrJazzy1983 1 year ago
@MrJazzy1983 Unless that one nation is under Muslim rule there cannot be justice for Muslim in Hindustan.
shedkad 1 year ago
@shedkad LOL...dream on!
aniketranade 9 months ago
Agar pakistan nai banta to dunya ki koi bhi muslim country atamic country nai hoti, na hi foji taqat hoti, Aj Pakistan ka musalman , islam ke liay jitni awaz utha skta hey itni koi nai uthata kio ke hm hindu ki domination me nai hain, sub se ziada awaz pakistan se uthti hey, Maulana abdulkalam Azad or Muhammad ali jinnah me faraq tha, Maulana abdulkalaam Azad Secularism ki bat krty they, or Muhammad ali Jinnah Muslmanoon ki bat krty they.
zkhannn 1 year ago
@zkhannn Look at the condition you live in Pakistan today killing without a reason dying of no reason you stupid nation
farsara 1 year ago
@farsara , it is fabricated propeganda which was made by foriegn media and you are misguided , We live better condition in Pak, We confess we have problem, we will control situation, Nations go through examination in world, How can you fool understand this.... because you are stuck in Jewish net
zkhannn 1 year ago
@zkhannn Sorry dude, Maulana Azad Islam se logon ki fadiya ki baat kartein they. Jinnah used to USE Islam for his own political benefit. That is the reality.
A person who drinks wine, eats pork and has a wife who wears clothes so revealing that even the English were offended can't be considered as a leader of muslims. You have to see outside the veil of Pakistani state propaganda to realise the reality.
MrJazzy1983 1 year ago
Agar maulana abdulkalam Azad , national congress me hinduon ki Himayat krne ke bajay Musalmanoo ko Iqtadar me shamil krny ki bat krty to india ko partition se bachaya jaskta tha. Quid e Azam Muhammad ali jinnah ne akhir tk koshish ki thi partition se bachane ke liay, lekin nehru ne kaha ke aik dafa hum ko Hukoomat milne do phir musalmanoo ko bhol jao.
zkhannn 1 year ago
@zkhannn Jinnah gave an excellent "gift" to the muslims. Instead of uniting he divided the muslims of the subcontinent into three parts. What Himayat he has done for muslims, we can see today.
MrJazzy1983 1 year ago
what a speech!! I wishe it had come few years earlier....
rekhajoy 1 year ago
jazakallah.
TheSyed1987 1 year ago
molana was a great leader,,,,,,im pakistani ....hijrat bhinhi ki ,,,lekin ,,,taasub aur jazbat ko aik taraf ker kay baaat karo to molana kay dalail ziada mazboot hay keh quran o hadith kay mutabiq taqseem jaiz nhi sari india hi musalmano ka hona chahiyayyy thaa......allah pakistan ki hifazat karay
alasari91 1 year ago
sala
rebelfromlahore 1 year ago
Ali Razi.Vs.. People of Koufa..renegades ...... Assad..Vs.. Supporters of Patrician......renegades I dont understand till now What made Moududi Sb to listen to the pork eater alcohol consuming and follow his path
Galaa tho Gont dhiya Ahle madrasaa nay tairaa Khan say aaye sadha Haq laailaaha illallah
what fault did he find with Abul Kalam Azad Who did not eat pork throughout his life and did not touch licker?
Bcs any way Moulana is BC and Mr Is FC that's Y
mustafa627807 1 year ago
Ali Razi.Vs.. People of Koufa..renegades ...... Assad..Vs.. Supporters of Patrician......renegades I dont understand till now What made Moududi Sb to listen to the pork eater alcohol consuming and follow his path
Galaa tho Gont dhiya Ahle madrasaa nay tairaa Khan say aaye sadha Haq laailaaha illallah
what fault did he find with Abul Kalam Azad Who did not eat pork throughout his life and did not touch licker?
Bcs any way Moulana is BC and Mr Is FC that's Y
mustafa627807 1 year ago
Ali Razi.Vs.. People of Koufa..renegades ...... Assad..Vs.. Supporters of Patrician......renegades I dont understand till now What made Moududi Sb to listen to the pork eater alcohol consuming and follow his path
Galaa tho Gont dhiya Ahle madrasaa nay tairaa Khan say aaye sadha Haq laailaaha illallah
what fault did he find with Abul Kalam Azad Who did not eat pork throughout his life and did not touch licker?
Bcs any way Moulana is BC and Mr Is FC that's Y
mustafa627807 1 year ago
No doubt, Maulana was great scholar & what he said & predicted is true. haqeeqat Chup nahi saktee banwat k asloon say........
Whereas about Muhammad Ali Jinnah can anyone answer my following QUESTIONS
1. From which reference I can know Mohammad Ali Jinnah was practicing Muslim?
huma287 1 year ago
2. Does anyone have any reference that Muhammad Ali Jinnah speaks any language of Sub-continent with fluency?
3. Is Children or grandchildren of Muhammad Ali Jinnah are Muslim now, and where are they living now?
4. Have anyone listen about a single soul belongs to PONJA family (Jinnah Ponja)?
5. Is really his DOB is 25th Dec? {(with any solid proof) or (the DOB is pre-set to get a X-mas holiday in ideological Muslim country - Pakistan)
huma287 1 year ago
6. Was 2 nation theory by Muhammad Ali Jinnah was right? If yes than why 1953 immigration act was imposed to stop migrating the Indian Muslims in Pakistan?
7. Are Indians really 2 nations or it was politics of British "divide & rule" & if this policy was & is, black spot on Indians, than we should nominate which local leaders to be on right of britishers to support them in this?
huma287 1 year ago
8. Why an imported British Indian, Muhammad Ali Jinnah was chosen as our liberator of Pakistan, was there any shortage of talent & Personalities to lead by a local Indian Leader?
9. Muhammad Ali Jinnah was killed or died? (according to resources he was in Chamman with 1 old nurse & a driver cum cook with a obsolete vehicle to perform the role of Ambulance & is this the protocol given to head of state or to a disposable syringe whose role was no more required)
huma287 1 year ago
my grand parents and parents migerated from Indian Punjab to Paksitan Punjab in 1947. what i remember from their words is that they may never migerated if there was no bloodshed of muslims in east punjab. they all came temporarily but could never go back. from the facts learnt from those who lived in west punjab at that time, i belive same happened to hindus and sikhs living in west punjab
amobeen 1 year ago
I am a Muhajir Pakistani n b4 comin 2 US i spend a great life in Pakistan, i am proud 2 say Pakistan is truly OUR PAKISTAN like odr ethncs of Pakistan. I cannot 4get how india is butchering Muslims in india cuz they knew no 1z gonna stop thm.
Today i m soo happy dat my grand parents choose 2 come 2 Pakistan 4rm UP india, even they left all the property, lands behind.
Pakistan Zindabad,
Pakistan 4 Life,
[] C*]ZINDABAD 4EVER.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
I am an Indian Muslim, I am happy that my grandparents decided to stay in India.
whoever telling you that India is butchering Muslims, is indeed spreading rumours and lies.
Allah indeed has blessed all of us. -Alhamdulillah.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq I am very happy dat u r sayin this bro, n i wish all Muslims of India liv happily. I hope u r not telling a lie cuz i had 2 indian muslim friends they r 4rm Ahmadabad n they told me v r living in india in fear of hindus who can kill any muslim any time wth full support of police n some political party n they can burn our shops or buisness anytime. Kashmir is Khuli Kitaab no 1 in world can deny it. Therz too much pain in Pakistan wen anythng wrong happen 2 Indian Muslims.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
It is nice to see that people in pakistan do care about us; muslims in India, I thought we were the forgotten lots and resigning to the fact that pakistan will leave no opportunity to inflict pain on us. (mind it, by pakistan i mean Pak Govt). I am not complaining about this, because we all know that after all how it is taking care of its own people.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
I ask you why do you feel pain for us, you should rather say that we were all fools to have stayed back in India,:- what right we had to stay back here in India, we should have followed you , after all; the so called representative of muslims of undived India got what they wanted for all muslims, right isn't it.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
I understand that you are generalising the things here from some specific incidents. If two people had shared some of their personal bad experiences with you, then i think that doesn't mean that such incidents/experiences are happening all the time and everywhere in India and also offcourse with everyone, but having said this at the same time I do also accept that there is no denying the facts either; that such things never happened at all.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq Actually sum muslims of india will always remain ignorent. they knew dat india is doing wrong bt they will not speak it out cuz of indian fear or sum terrorist hindu organizations fear.Bt those who will rise their voices against indian brutality they ll b butchered.International media had shown wat happened in Gujrat n wat is happening in Kashmir.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Maira toh yeh Manna Hai , Allah Ka ham logon Par Beshumaar Fazal O Karam Hai.
Alhamdulillah, Baaqi aap log jo samjhain. Ussay hamaari position par koi asar nahi parta
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
I too know some people both Indian muslims who have been to pakistan as well as pakistani muslims who have been to india, and all of them had nothing but only bad experiences to share with me about pakistan . So tell me which situation should be more sorrowful to me, the former or the latter.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
You must tell your Ahmedabad muslim friends that there are so many muslims like me who live without fear in India and by the way, I too have lived near Ahmedabad for almost a decade and know quite number of Gujarati Hindus and as well as Gujarati Muslims. I have both pleasent and bitter memories with both
the communities. ( I am a muslim form UP)
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq u r living wthout fear cuz u say nothing abt indian attrocities 2ward poor muslims. indian aggression towards muslims is an un denyable fact. n if u ignore it 2day god forbid it can reach to UP muslims too.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Maira toh yeh Manna Hai , Allah Ka ham logon Par Beshumaar Fazal O Karam Hai.
Alhamdulillah, Baaqi aap log jo samjhain. Ussay hamaari position par koi asar nahi parta.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq Shukar hai Allah ka aap yaqeen karo humay bohut khushi hoti hai agar india kay Musalman khush rehtay hain. aap khush ho Mashallah hamesha Allah aap ko india mein hi khush rakhay.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Moreover for a moment even if we consider that pakistan really want to believe that Muslims are being butchered in India, then i think you must ask yourself who is responsible for it? and what face pakistan has even to challenge India on this,?.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Moreover for a moment even if we consider that pakistan really want to believe that Muslims are being butchered in India, then i think you must ask yourself who is responsible for it? and what face pakistan has even to challenge India on this,?.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
It has been really easy for us to quantify as to how honestly pakistan feels for us, it is quite visible through its actions; right from its inception has always been high on confrontation with India regardless of any consideration and forsightedness.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq If Pakistan is high on confrontation wth india since its inception so wat has this to do wth indian muslims. u want us 2 sit like idols while india captures our land wow u r gud at joke dear. but remember india can do nothing 2 Pakistan, even india RAW n military knows abt Pak power if india tried any mischevious act it ll b end 4 india.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
yes we all know the might and courageous acts of pakistan milliatry.
doesnt Kargill remind you of anything.? please stop this self glorification.
Indeed what a novel way pakistan has found in claiming its own Land. By creating insurgency in Punjab, shreiking its own responsibility and inciting a civil war in Kashmir. Is that how Islamic Govt functions. Aapko maaloom hona chaahiyay ki Aaapki Hukoomat Awwal darjay ki nikammi aur fitteen hay, Yeh sab kay sab Fitnah parwar hain.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq Pakistan military is very strong n can defeat any country easily.
kargil remind me how india captured it illegaly in 71 war thn Pakistan in 99 tried to get its land bak n defeat india bt as u also kno our govt is corrupt so wen india request US thn US ask democratic govt of Pak 2 wthdraw in return of $ n stupid leader order troops 2 wth draw, Pak army who had already won waz so angry at this bt hav no way. -cont-
ourpak1 1 year ago
@Qauseq Later General of military( whose origin waz Delhi he waz a Muhajir) throw the govt n again military rule came thn he later held elections n world saw dat Pakistanis were happy dat he throw dat govt who in return of money wthdraw his troops who had won already, so voting result came as ppl of Pakistan choose Musharraf to rule.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@Qauseq Pakistan had not create insurgency in Punjab it waz cuz india military crush the Sikhs there, damage n abuse their sacred worshipping place n kill huge num of Sikhs dat waz the reason plz dont beleive ur news wthout knowing facts.
I accept Pakistan govt is corrupt n nikkammi etc. I am Pakistani n i accept the facts.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
As for the kashmir, you say kashmir is an open book, yes indeed it is an account of dastardly acts of pakistani govt, how it has misused and played with the kashmiri people. I firmly believe and fully resolved that Kashmir should never ever go to pakistan, Certainly they dont have any future with pakistan.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq wat r u saying man i doubt u r indian muslim. dont belive indian channels watch international channels. Kashmirz ruler promis Kashmiris dat he will join Pakistan but he dodge thm n joined india. it is ppl of Kashmirz wish to join Pakistan. n if u ask me i wish Kashmir wud nt join Pakistan too it shud b a separate country n u will find many Pakistanis who wish this.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@Qauseq i ve saw many Kashmiris chanting the slogans 'Pakistan se rishta kya LA ILAHA ILLAL LAH' 'Jeevay o jeevay o jeevay Pakistan ragra o ragra o ragra hindustan' u can search 4 more it is ppl of Kashmirs wish n dream to become provence of Pakistan.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Koi apnay Paaon par khud kulhaari maaray toh ham kiya kar saktay hain.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
And dont they have any such relations with Indian Muslims.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq They hav such relations but it is their wish their first dream to separate 4rm india n either join Pakistan or becum independant. india is doing same thing in Kashmir wat nehru wants kashmir is example of dat. this is wat nehru wants he wants land also n he want 2 crush Muslims also. same thing is happening in Kashmir, i kno ur heart knows i m true but u will not speak it out.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
I dont know why you glorify 'Pakistan Zindabad', I hope it is not for being one of the most corrupt country, and for murdering people every now and then in masjids (I cant imagine myself living in an islamic country and tolerate such things happening even once). I can only say to you in the end, that i feel extremely fortunate not to have been born in pakistan. ALHAMDULILLAH.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq Pakistan is my n every Pakistanis life life n life. if polititions of Pakistan is corrupt it is thm 2 b blamed not Pakistan. n the terrorist of RAW r blasting bombs etc in Pakistan there r clear proofs.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@Qauseq I thnk i am very lucky my grand parents move Pakistan leavin behind their big lands n properties, once my dada told me v got a whole muhalla in UP city badayun all family members liv their all streets n hawelies(big houses) were ours but our whole family kick everythng n mov 2 this great land. ALHAMDULILLAH i open my eyes in Pakistan my motherland.
Pakistan Zindabad.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Forgive me if my words hurt you anyway. If indeed it has hit you, i request you to kindly understand that it was only meant to wake you up and certainly never hurting a brother. Although i wish i could do it mighty hard :) Kaaaaaash May aap sab logon ko jhinjhor kar Rakh dayta.
May Allah forgive us all of our mistakes and bless us all ever with His Guidance. Ameen.
Fee Amanillah
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq I didnt mind at all brother but yes i got a shock how u completely ignored indian attrocities toward muslims n Pakistan. d u kno not only Kashmir but Hyderabad Deccan, Junagadh & Manavadar also joined Pakistan but waz occupied by india. india had always damage Pakistan, india in 71 broke Pakistan in 2 parts.
Yes indeed Allah hum sub ko sahi rasta dikhai aur hum per apna raham farmai. Ameen.
Salam.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Kiya aapkay Zehayn May yeh baat ab talak bhi nahee aati ki Hindustan Ko Taqseem Karnay Ka faislaa , darsal may bahut bari saazish thi. Aaap Log ghor kiyun nahi kartay, May samjhta hun kay yeh Koi itnee mushkil baat toh nahee.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@Qauseq to meray bhai sazishi to nehru hi tha na bhai, hum Pakistanis ko Gandhi je say koi shikwa nahi hai Nehru nay Musalmano kay huquq tasleem hi na kiye wo to chahta tha kay india tootay bhi na aur musalman rehe bhi nichla gulam ban kay. Jinnah sahab nay to kaha tha kay hum Pakistani rehnay ko tayyar hain lekin nehru apnay aap ko sab samajhta tha woh to NWFP chala gaya takay Pathan india kay haq mein faisla karen lekin Pathan nay usay aisa bhagaya ke phir na aaya wo udhar.
ourpak1 1 year ago
@ourpak1
The only thing that pains me is when i see ourselves i.e we Muslims go wrong, I know we moved to several places fearlessly to spread , convey and remain steadfast on 'HAQ' and not to runaway from it. It is of utmost importance that we should correct ourselves rather than enumerate the mistakes and misdeeds of others.
Qauseq 1 year ago
@ourpak1
Forgive me if my words hurt you anyway. If indeed it has hit you, i request you to kindly understand that it was only meant to wake you up and certainly never hurting a brother. Although i wish i could do it mighty hard :) Kaaaaaash May aap sab logon ko jhinjhor kar Rakh dayta.
May Allah forgive us all of our mistakes and bless us all ever with His Guidance. Ameen.
Fee Amanillah
Qauseq 1 year ago
maulana no doubt had a strong hypothesis for his argument but his actual argument was never strong! but still, his efforts were commendable! but his side undetermined!!!
2950tcl 1 year ago
Great leader Maulna Azad was a leader with compromising mind, Mohammad Ali Jinnah was greatest revolutionary leader, with a future vision of greater Muslim Ummah. Many nations including extremists Hindu hate this vision. Pakistan is just a beginning ....
231947able 1 year ago
Sahabji, there you again. Personal attacks. Sure sign of a loser. Not very sahab like are you. You are projecting your character to me.
juslkn 2 years ago
I answered your questions. Maulana Azad did not believe in separate electorates. What is so difficult to understand. He saw pitfall in Pakistan's formation which is completely separate issue. Thats what I am also talking about. His brilliant speech makes sense even today. I see major problems.
PS. I have no wish to sacrifice myself for Pakistan either. I have my own history and ethnicity just as native Pakistanis do. This is not hate. You are not very smart.
juslkn 2 years ago
PS. "Muhajir" in Pakistan's context is not a secure thing, as opposed to in Medina durng the time of Prophet (pbuh).
juslkn 2 years ago
My family members are married to Muhajirs. I can't imagine deranged you thoughts are. Pakistan has a long list of Muhajirs heroes in every part of its life.Qadir Khan, Moudoudi, Faiz, Edhi, Anwar Mqsoood...list goes on!. Muhajir runs the biggest city Pakistan; Karachi.
BTW when is Shah Rukh Khan is going to be kicked back in Pakistan by your people?
sahabji 2 years ago
What that shows is you know about, care about few. Does not prove there are no bigger problems. You dont recognize them because of restricted vision. I have mentioned only few. I have talked to Pakistanis who wish death to Muhajirs, who hate Indian Muslims, who are racist to the core.
juslkn 2 years ago
Is there any part of the world where racists don't exist? Muhajirs are hated by thousands, admired by millions.
150 millions untouchable with 3% education, far below poverty line, living in shanty towns,Is it your Proud? Is that the "vision" you inherited by this Joker?..Is that you wanted to see with Muslims in Pak & BD?....Good Luck!
This Joker threw you against Hindu majority. Deranged, with lost culture, language and Identity on the pity of a majority who treat you like scurvy dongs...gg
sahabji 2 years ago
I have no interest, neither does India want Pak or BD, nor do I want to go to Pak/BD. Majority Indians dont want Pak or BD in India. Remember Congress agreed to partition. India did not annex BD in 71. Situation of Indian Muslims is Indian matter. I was born in India, we are Indians and love India no matter what the political and social situation. We have long history and culture which we own with pride. We are not going to abandon this history in the name of running away from hindus.
juslkn 2 years ago
Good Luck!
sahabji 2 years ago
Pakistan's horrible ideology is corrupting Islam, producing terrorists who Pakistanis think are great while Muslims with hundreds of years warrior history of building empires are 'scum'. Pakistan and Pakistanis have become an existential threat. I have come across Pakistanis who want to destroy Taj Mahal. They're enemies of Indians in general, many have similar thinking to Hindu extremists for different reasons.
juslkn 2 years ago
As for Muslims in India generallay conditions worse than dalits is well known. Even Indian govt acknowledged it. But this also comes from historical political reasons. Therefore it is way over time, Muslims joined national mainstream, including Indian military in large numbers.
juslkn 2 years ago
Scroll up and look what the video and the subject of this debate is about. It is about "vision" of Azad and why should Pak not exist.
Sure Pakistan is not a perfect solution. But my argument is that it was least horrible solution for the Muslims of India in 1947. My surprise that you are comfortable with Indian Muslims living like Dalat under Hindus but have hatred against Pak and it's people. My pleasure that Scum like you never migrated to my country.
sahabji 2 years ago
Majority of Indian Muslims live comfortably in India. It is a only a myth that their conditions are bad and is again and again repeated in Pakistani media and homes. If they don't repeat this rhetoric, who will keep the Pakistani dream alive? It's already a failed state, failed people.
desibhoot 1 year ago
@desibhoot
I am sure that 400 pages of Sachar committee report is just a load of crap and propaganda made by Pakistani media. May Allah Let you live in Good condition as you are living now.Amen.
sahabji 1 year ago
I dont think abandonment of constituency has ever occurred in political history as in Pakistan related politics. This is horrible. Not of any sort with previous experience in leadership. You have to be blind not to see dysfunctionalities.
1) Muslim politicians abandoned constituency in northern india.
2) West pak politicians rejected Awami league. Bhutto told Bengalis to go to hell.
3) Pakistan abandoned own citizens of Bihari origin in Bangladesh.
juslkn 2 years ago
Answer to your question is Maulana Azad did not believe in separate electorate.
I will post this again. Not at all exhausted. (For some reason it did not fully appear in youtube).
If Muslims combined could not get separate electorate how you think Maulana Azad could get it? I am glad he stayed with Congress, provided much needed leadership.
juslkn 2 years ago
sahabji, I can turn around your question and ask, if Muslims combined could not get separate electorate then how you think Maulana Azad could get it for you? I am glad he stayed with Congress. There were very very few Muslim politicians left in India at independence, almost all northern Muslim politicians went to Pakistan. They're called Muhajirs and Guests by native Pakis. While nobody calls Advani, MMS, IK.Gujral, etc, "guests" and "migrants" in India.
juslkn 2 years ago
I see you are clearly exhausted by my questions and your ignorance over history is clear to me. My questions underscore the "vision" of Congress Show-boy on critical issues at critical times. And it can bee seen that guy was a Loser! He was never fighting for anybody but himself.
The word Muhajir is never a bad word in Islam and in Pakistan. In an early comment, I gave you a long list of their achievement in Pakistan.
Try again baby!
sahabji 2 years ago
I see you have not answered questions regarding failures of Pakistan. But you do resort to personal attacks. You are full of yourself and ignorance which is why Pakistan is in the state it is in. You dont need to tell me about history of Muslims and Pakistan, I am from the core of this history. Part of my extended family is in Pakistan, including those who served its military. Had relatives in East Pakistan too.
juslkn 2 years ago
From 1916 to 1937; the politics of Jinnah and ML was all about Muslim communal rights and reasonable representation in central legislative. They turned to Pakistan only when their demands were rejected by Congress. Why in all of those year, your beloved Azad were sitting in congress' lap?..why didn't he come forward to Muslim league for Muslim's right? Had Muslims followed Azad there would be some 450 million "Muslim Dalat" living in United India, as contrast to 800 million Hindus.
sahabji 2 years ago
i think thats becoz maulana azad was a true believer of a secular state. he was not for any preferential treatment of ANY community. jinnah played on the sentiments of muslims.
sonu1179 2 years ago
Also as sonu179 pointed out, Maulana Azad wasnt fighting for separate Muslim electorates.
sahabji, you're talking about how partition could be avoided. Its kind of different topic and is history now.
I am talking about what a great visionary Maulana Azad was who saw the pitfall of formation of Pakistan.
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juslkn 2 years ago
We are talking about different things. I dont have problem with Pakistan as state. But it was created by the wrong vehicle. Its ground political reality is narrow, geared more toward ethnic and regional nationalism.
juslkn 2 years ago
Absolutely, Now you are on the line. You said right that "Almost all Muslims in India voted for AIML"...so here is the mystery for you to solve: Why didn't Azad agree to grant separate electoral to Muslims? Why didn't he agree for communal autonomy WITHIN the Union of India?..Why didn't he agree for Cabinet mission plan for grouping scheme and Indian Union? He could have agree with ML on these issue and would have avoided the creation of Pakistan.
sahabji 2 years ago
You keep calling Muslims "Dalit". Serves your ego and racism. Where I come from Muslims have never been ruled by Hindus/Sikhs (however P-A-K "Paks" have). Name calling does not change history. For centuries Muslims where I come from, we called/honored lowcastes as "Ansari".
juslkn 2 years ago
Muslim are refereed to "Dalit" in Sacher committee reported presented to PM of India. I am referring Indians attitude towards Muslim. You are such a Jackass!
sahabji 2 years ago
Ofcourse different people are living side by side in Pakistan, this is not something great, but when it comes to power things change. Why else did West Pakistan politicians reject Awami league. Youre seeing Jinnahs comment of Muslim show boy out of context from the prism of Pakistani nationalism. This was not Pakistanis versus Indians. Even Pakistan of 47 ceased to exist in 71.
juslkn 2 years ago
Indian Muslim League was Indian political party. Almost all Muslims in India voted for AIML and it represented Muslim political interest within India. Its headquarter was Lucknow, Jinnah was elected from Bombay through Congress, recruited in Lucknow while he was also Congressman like Maulana Azad. Aligharh Muslim university was intellectual headquarter. All are respected by Muslims of India.
juslkn 2 years ago
sahabji, I respect dalit Muslims. Theyre first to defend Muslims when riots breakout. I dont see Pakistanis there.
Have talked to many Pstanis. Pstan nationalism is contradictory, lacks intellectual and Islamic basis. Way it is P'stan is actually blocking Islam. As a state, it would be called hypocrite. I dont see Pstanis making good contribution due to nationalism/racism, extremism, terrorism. Pstan is not at peace with itself or with neighbors. It needs lot of maturing.
juslkn 2 years ago
Why Your Molana did not agree to Cabinet Mission plan of 1946? Why this congress Show boy didn't agree to give Muslims the communal rights in grouping scheme? Why didn't he agree to award the Muslim minority the separate electorates for legislative assembly??...He could have agreed and avoided the creation of Pakistan!...I know you are speechless here. For your "Pstan" ranting; let me tell you that, Karachi, Lahore, Quetta and Peshawar are far more multiethnic than you would have imagined!
sahabji 2 years ago
Maulana Azad has proved to be incredibly great visionary, things which no Muslims that I know of had thought of at the time or predicted. This speech proves he obviously had far deeper understanding, insight of the ethno-social-poitical aspects of the Muslim majority areas. He saw the pitfall of forming Pakistan through Indian Muslim League.
juslkn 2 years ago
Maulana Azad is 100% correct.
He said there is Hindu-Muslim problem but its not something that cannot be overcome.
Have you heard of Zakir Naik. All Muslims are not suffering in India. There are places which are bad, others not so.
juslkn 2 years ago
can you please send me the complete speach in email address. i shall be thank to you waiting for complete speach.
hasilpurbaboo 2 years ago
There is some audio issue; my equipment is fine; i wish i could listen to this speech with clarity and understanding. Anyways, I am aware of Maulana's approach; i have no doubt in my mind that most of his prophecies have been fulfilled after 60 years of the partition of India ( i was born in Karachi and my parents came from India in the wake of the partition). We not been able to produce one such scholar in Pakistan. How unfortunate!
TheNetRoamer 2 years ago
This man could not offer anything to the Muslims of India. He conceded on federal issues. He conceded in communal and provincial issues. What did he provide as alternative to Pakistan? , nothing, Nata!
If Muslims of India have followed this joker, they would be living like niggers, and untouchables (well they are still in India). Can anybody tell me how would Muslim survive in India with 75% Hindu majority??
sahabji 2 years ago
Maulana saying to Muslims (in today's India) not to leave for Pak. He says you could face discrimination and violence for different reason in Pak and BD, which came true.
Abandoning own country and land because of political violence and discrimination is stupid. In retrospect it was a mistake.
As if Islam cannot spread in India. To assume that is going against Islam and Allah.
juslkn 2 years ago
Migrates form India to Pakistan are the most educated and prosperous people in Pakistan. Jinna, Liaqat Ali Khan, Musharraf, Dr A Q, Khan, Mouloana Modoudi, Anwar Maqsood, Edhi.., A long list of Pakistani Heroes and Influential people are Indian migrants. Thank God they didn't stay India to live like dalat. Ask some Indian Muslims, How is to be an Indian Muslim in India.
A question to you: What was the alternative put forward by Congress Joker Azad to Indian Muslims as contrast to Pakistan?
sahabji 2 years ago
Allah aap ke darje buland kare aap ki sonch aap ki fikr sare sare allam ke musalmano ke liye ek kamiyabi aur roshni ki mashal sabit thi . jo ke in gumnam andheron ke aage chip ker rehgayi.
Amubeen 2 years ago
Very important speech. Maualana predicted and foreseen a lot of problems with formation of Pakistan.
juslkn 2 years ago
at that time if the muslims were understand, who is the real leading leadership we will not suffer so much loss as we are facing lot of identity problems. we should learn through which we lost for the better Feture .
hasilpurbaboo 2 years ago
Ah, and He could not "foresee" the problems of dalat, excuse me, the Muslims of India. How Ironic!
sahabji 2 years ago
In E.Pak, Bengalis ethnically cleansed Bihari Muslims. Rest are still in camps. In Bihar, Muslims are free in their home, if they get killed they are on their own soil. Civil wars happen, no reason to run. Besides, why would Muslims help Hindutva extremists to depopulate India of Muslims? If Muslims in the past had used Pakistans stupid ideology, there would be no Muslims in Pakistan today.
juslkn 2 years ago
Might be unsafe in India for Muslim, but very unsafe in Pstan for other reasons. Muslims moving to Pstan did not think they were moving to Ethnic states, P-Punjab, A-Afghania, K-Kashmir... Automatically makes me 2nd class. I have my own ethnicity. Even Punjabis in Pakistan cannot move in great numbers to Pakhtunkhwa or Balochstanyou think 150 million Muslims from India can? Its either crap talk or hypocrisy.
juslkn 2 years ago
Kaifyc, cannot be called Maulana's "wrong" decision. Analyze!Calling it "secular" decision is bias politics, not coming from Islam. Firstly it is unIslamic and cowardice to abandon our own land, history, property, religion in India. It is worse than surrendering to Hindus. Muslims dont do it.
juslkn 2 years ago
Secondly, the fault is structural weakness. Pakistan is/was made of 'alliances' of provinces, territories, regions, where there are and could be largescale ethnic majority/minority tension and conflict. This is why Pakistan does not produce Muslim leaders (like Jinnah). Each Pakistani leader knows about and looks after his "own" kind and is not responsible for others. In that respect India produces better national or state leaders.
juslkn 2 years ago
In his mind, Maulana chose path that made sense. Structure of Pakistan was not and is not clear. In minds of Muslims, Pakistan was as Jinnah talked of, everyone equal before the state, free to go anywhere. Muslim migrating from Delhi/UP/MP/Bihar/Bombay was not expecting to be another kind of minority along with area restrictions.
juslkn 2 years ago
Pakistan was where Indian Muslims who needed could go. Pakistans priority aim was to build strong economy, education, military. But Pakistan did not turn out that way, as is obvious today from B'desh, and self destructive extremism and terrorism in west Pak, multiples of Baluch, Pakhtun insurgencies. Those who moved to East Pak were terrorized, killed, discriminated, and put into camps. Maulana Azad correctly feared all this, and it happened.
juslkn 2 years ago
Assalam o alaikum !
Maulana abul kalam was defenitely a great sholer but his politics views was secular (after 1920) and he was a member of indian national congress.this was his wrong decission.kash k wo musalmano ka sath detey or us mission ko pura krte jis ki unho ne "AL-HILAL" or "AL-BILAGH" main dawat di thi !!!!
kaifyc 2 years ago
Can i get the audio clip my email too. Is it any better than this. Thanks.
y2k6summi 2 years ago
During partition there was a 2 muslims 1 was jinnah & other maulan. Jinnah entered mosque once in lifetime to marry a parsi girl.he enjoyed pork, alcohol & ladies. on the other hand maulana was a mecca born, scholar & islamic person. But see the fate jinnah created triec to create muslim nation, who didnt knew islam at all.
ccool82 2 years ago 4
Humm... You must know Ismaili Khoja Shia faction did not believe Wahabi Sunni Islam values. Besides their religious values most attributed to single person; who --- they think direct descendant of Prophet Mohammed (PBH),
So was the Jinnah who was profiteer, pedophile, and extremely ego maniac, his ego could not stand ahead of J.Nehru. His colourful life;s most minute details exists inLondon.Regular pork eating and washing down with Whiskey on Rock was common occurrence in company of women
imrank340 2 years ago
great scholar
mqmmirpurkhas 2 years ago
greatest scholar of his time, but ignored by Muslims as they ignore every great person for the sake of their small benefits. Whatever he said is now a reality, see it yourself and at least now try to understand his teachings,e.g. tarjamanulquran
jinnahiqbal 2 years ago 5
AFTER HIS ADDRESS MANY OF MUSLIMS DECIDED TO LIVE IN INDIA
I'm sure the Hindus were thrilled.
yahazif 2 years ago
Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad - the great son of India. India needs leaders like you. You were a visionary unlike the thousands of muslims who left for a doomed failed country like Pakistan (that even today needs loans from IMF to pay government salaries, just like in 1947). You were right Maulanasaab, today India is stronger because of the colors of unity of its different children.
Jai Hind
honestngood 2 years ago
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sameerk88 2 years ago
What you heard is a spin from your Pak media. There are no Hindus left in pak today, none that you can name. I can easily name 2000 Indian Muslims that make India proud. That my friend is India, a country of 180million muslim-more than Pakistan!
Sadly, today patriotism in Pakistan is judged by how much you hate hindus & India. Even your history textbooks don't tell you the truth. When you teach lies, you are actually destroying you own country.
May Allah bless you, like he blesses India!
honestngood 2 years ago
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sameerk88 2 years ago
The problem is that Gandhism is confined to the bookstores instead of being taught in schools. Your email talks about Hindu Raj in a bad taste, so I assumed you were being rude to Hindus, if that is not the case then I am sorry.
India is a democracy while Pak is a Islamic theocracy, please read this up.
Even Islamic countries support India more than Pak, should say something. I wish the very best for your country becoz if you are not happy we in India cannot be happy.
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sameerk88 2 years ago
I dont know who taught you nonsense abotu the caste system, its banned in India, modern Indians dont practise it. It was used as a tool to convert hindus like your ancestors to Islam. Sorry brother I think your views are hardlined and shaped strongly by the Saudi and Pak media which is taking pak to the brink of disaster. Why should we respect Jinnah? He wanted to divide India, Gandhi did not. But Indians respect JInnah becoz he was secular unlike young pakis today.
honestngood 2 years ago
Saudi Wahabbist terrorism is a growing problem in Pak today maye not in Karachi becoz its a modern city like Mumbai. Btw, brahmins are only 0.003% of India's population. Sunni Wahabbis are majority of Pak's population which is dangerous for minorities like Shias, Ahmaddiyas.
I have Pakistani friends, they dont have hateful opinion of hindus the way you do.
honestngood 2 years ago
wahabbis are not a majority in Pakistan. Most Pakistanis are Hanafi Sunnis. Wahabbis/deoband ideology spread to Pakistan from India and those deobands is what kalam azad was!!! Zardari is Shia and so was Jinnah and Benazir bhutto, Don't make comments about things you don't know about
porus76 2 years ago
Wahabbism spread from Saudi Arabian oil money who had nothing else to do than to brainwash simple, innocent Pakistanis into jihad around the world.
honestngood 2 years ago
Perhaps you must have half baked knowledge .... Wahabies faction of Sunni Islam originate from Saudi Arabia. It is purely strict Islamic values and teaching adhered. NOT from Deobund - India. The University of Deobund founded only after 1857, first freedom fight for India from British. Indian Muslim realised that, there is not trust in British rule and convergence masses of Muslims to the cause of nation's freedom fight, this was the original basic theme at initial stage Deobund founded.
imrank340 2 years ago
Also I would urge you to read the history of Pakistan's glorious civilization before the conquest of Islam to appreciate the greatness of your country.
India is a tolerant peaceful vibrant democracy, sometimes imperfect, but always moving in the right direction.
Hope Pakistan can join us so the future generation of children can think differently instead of referring to standard propaganda in the TV and textbooks. This applies to both of our countries.
honestngood 2 years ago
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sameerk88 2 years ago
Caste system is practised throughout SE Asia even amongst muslims, christians as well, its a social problem. Fair skinned Punabi Muslim Sunnis do not like non-fair skinned Muslims or Hindus of India-that is caste system!
Your army keeps telling you guys how weak Indians are & how strong Pakis are. You guys practise the caste system, not us.These are childish discussions, I am glad that the majority of Pakis are good,honest just like the majority of Indians.
honestngood 2 years ago
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sameerk88 2 years ago
Lets analyze this scientifically-for 5000 years Gazni, other Islamic rulers came, raped, massacred millions of Hindus that is why this distrust exists in society today. Every Hindu family has a horror story about how their ancestors were killed, these things are difficult to erase. Still Hinduism guarantees secularism otherwise how else can 180 million patriotic Muslims exist peacefully in India? The greatness of Hinduism is dharmic code. Btw, one of my close uncles is a Muslim.
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sameerk88 2 years ago
You know what we call the murders of millions of innocent Hindus at the hands of Islamic rulers-the Islamic Inquisition.
Did you know that Pakistan was a Hindu state, read before 700AD, Pak textbooks teach that Islam came peacefully, its your word against mine. Try to understand my point: I am not here to convince you, I am here to tell you that both sides have mistrust, how can you help to solve them?
Be peace upon you, this is my last comment. I hope to God that we all live in peace.
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sameerk88 2 years ago
Nothing against your forefathers accepting Islam. May be they were lower in caste system and suffering heavely under caste system. Good for them and you :) . BTW, I am curious to know which peaceful preacher convinced them to accept it. Was it Muhammad-bin-Qasim ? Muhammad Ghazani or Muhammad Gouri ?
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sameerk88 2 years ago
And lastly please understand that no normal Hindu likes Narendra Modi, what he did was politics. People vote for various reasons, strategy, political benefits etc. Did you know that many Hindu and Brahmin organizations protested against Modi across India. But in Pakistan they never show this good side of Hindus in their newspapers or TV. Not you, but the Pak army wants everyone to hate Hindus and brand them as anti-Islamic. Our secular Army consists of Muslim generals, thats why Allah loves us.
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sameerk88 2 years ago
there are Christians, Muslims and Hindus in the Pakistan army too.
porus76 2 years ago
Hindus in the Pak army?? really? Thats the biggest joke of the century. You guys hate Hindus, hatred of Hindus is a measure of patriotism in Pak. India is a democracy, Pak is an Islamic republic-please learn the difference before you comment. Most Hindus/Sikhs have been killed in Pakistan maybe a handful left. Look at India-180 million proud Muslims!! The world's 2nd largest Muslim population. Can you name any famous Hindus from Pakistan? Please dont spread such comments.
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sameerk88 2 years ago
only on 2003 or 2004 for the 1st time sikh was selected for soldier mind it.....
badgoddevilgod 2 years ago
Sorry I am slightly skeptic about you, your profile does not gives much info about YOU or your origin, name age etc. But you have balance comments for Muslims and those frustrated egoist Pakis who try constantly to downplay Muslims in India and stir things negatively.
imrank340 2 years ago
where would i find the text of this urdu speech? any suggestion?
seas1129 3 years ago
one of the most loyal servant of congress.
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sameerk88 3 years ago
well muslims in india is much more prosper than pakistani muslims , well if u say pakistan is short form all the provinces then you never had bangaladesh in it ?
and where is beloch ???
u are going to loose balochistan also ....
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sameerk88 3 years ago
Please dont say bad things about the Maulana, he was the only one who believed strongly in a untied India unlike the divider Jinnah. Maulana was right. Indian muslims are far better off than the violence in pakistan, which keeps taking money from the US, Saudi,China. History has shown that countries borne out of hatred dont survive for long. India is poor, has problems BUT is a million times better than a country like Pakistan. With all due respect for Pakistan - from an Indian.
God Bless
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sameerk88 3 years ago
Dear yousufmars kindly send me the complete audio of this speech on my email address
sahmad29 3 years ago