@kdreibel B. Franklin look agitated because he wanted J. Adams to use tact when dealing with J. Dickinson. Both Franklin and Dickinson served on the PA. delegation.
John Adams deserves a lot more credit than what has been given to him. True, he was not the best president but did compose many ideas in which,without, we would not be as great of a country. Thomas Jefferson did write the Declaration of Independence, and did a tremendous job, but without the mind of John Adams ( and Benjamin Franklin ) it may have not been as well written. John Adams truly was a brilliant man.
Incredible. This guy was born in Yugoslavia, lives in the US, and here speaks with just a flawless remnant of a British/Irish accent. What a terrific actor. Agree with everyone who says this guy is way underrated.
@xcalabur19 'Incredible. This guy was born in Yugoslavia, lives in the US, and here speaks with just a flawless remnant of a British/Irish accent. What a terrific actor. Agree with everyone who says this guy is way underrated.' - there's nothing irish about his accent at all. He's clearly trying to do a west country (english) accent, as his character would have had at the time
Note the look that Franklin directs toward Adams at 3:40. The adult who means actually to accomplish something casts a cold eye upon the hothead who just likes hearing himself shout.
@keithsmd1948 While this series was fairly accurate, this was not an accurate representation of Adams. Adams was highly respected by all but a few of the signers. No one did more than Adams to bring about the founding of America, and had Adams not been present, it is very probable the revolution would have fallen apart and been lost. Franklin was also important, but Adams was definitely the unsung hero of the founding fathers.
I'm glad they allowed Dickinson to have his say. He made his point quite eloquently- I side with Adams on this one, but it's important to understand that many people hoped for reconciliation. Civil wars are painful things- and I do believe that our Revolution was one.
@BaldGrace Agreed. And the show rightfully ends with Dickinson leading the Pennsylvania militia through the streets of Philadelphia. He was a great patriot in his own right.
"It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few . . . They . . . consequently are instruments of injustice." - Thomas Paine
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity.”—John Adams to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813--John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1856), Vol. X, pp. 45-46
@TheBrotherMouzone I know Hastings and Barnes and Noble both sell it. It is by far one of the best historical dramas you'll see, and while there are some small errors in accuracy they are usually only the things we historians squabble about.
Lets not overlook how Adams attacked Dickinsons religion. So The Founding Fathers where not above going after each others religion. However they did so with class, fact and fortitude. Whereas, either prior to 'anti-hate speech' people were attacking each other ad hoc, and post 'hate speech' free speech is practically curtailed.
I've been viewing these uploaded scenes from this HBO series & it's evident that they attempted to make inspiring scenes. But the entire series seems to be completely sterilized of the very thing which inspired the founders themselves. They knew well that by all human reasoning, to engage in war with Britain, the worlds most powerful empire, would be suicidal. However, they believed that because their cause was a righteous one & they would be fighting a wrongful one, that God's hand would favor
them & their just cause. After the war, they never bragged about having been mighty enough to have defeated Britain. Rather, they spoke much about "providence". Within the historical documents, the word "providence" shows up quite often. A new and free nation was founded from a step of faith
Before viewing this scene, I had a feeling that eventually I would come across a scene in which it would be depicted that the incorrect position (Dickinson) would be attributed to Christianity
Although John Adams was also a Christian, nevertheless, his emotionally heated battle against "turn the other cheek" gives the viewer the impression of that he was more secular minded. Also from that he referred to Dickinson & his state's people as "Quakers", while Adams & Mass. were called "insurrectionists"
Nice try HBO, but considering that the founders often warned that if the people turned away from Christianity, they would also lose their freedom & nation (will elect tyrants)
We're currently witnessing the founders' prophetic prowess & HBO does the nation only a disservice with this revisionists, bigoted series. They can confess to it in the back seat of a taxi cab
Adams did not attack Christianity, he attacked Quaker pacifism because he wanted to prepare for war & the delegates from Pennsylvania were pacifists. In the end, Benjamin Franklin voted in their place.
Yes, quite right. This argument is about ceremonial devotions towards the SAME principle. It has nothing to do with a clash between two contrasting belief systems.
@TheGreatPrince It has nothing to do with ceremonial devotions. The Quaker religion is like the Amish religion. They don't fight. Adams was a Unitarian, they're more concerned with reality. He didn't want war but he felt that all other options were exhausted.
@KenMacMillan Sorry. I should have been more clear. By ceremonial devotions I meant group A. agrees to abide by principle x, while group B., choosing to disagree and non-abide by principle x. However, both groups A and B are concerned with conduct towards the same higher power and their differences lie in the individual principles (or means) that form the body of that conduct (unnecessary pacificism vs. necessary nonpacificism).
The 'Olive Branch Petition' was rejected by King George III -a year later Adm. Howe offerred the same terms which his govt. rejected the year before-but by then it was too late. The Declaraton of Independence had been written and there was no turning back. King George was too stubborn and obstinate to forsee this in 1775.
Oh, no kidding. I didn't even post the best scenes, because I didn't want to spoil the ending. (Besides the obvious, you know--Adams wins, there's a war.)
I was deeply disappointed Ivanek didn't get an Emmy nomination for this episode, but then he won one for _Damages_, so that was all right.
To be fair though, there were so many great performances in the series - Wilkinson, Morse, Dillane - that it's understandable why Ivanek got overlooked. Tom Hollander had a nice cameo as King George in episode 4 too, and Rufus Sewell was also quite good as Hamilton.
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tim32211 1 month ago
At 2:12 it sounds like he says the same shit, but when you listen to it again and more closely, its says ship
risteardsean 2 months ago
One of my favorite scenes in the miniseries. Zeljko Ivanek is fantastic.
tendollarword 2 months ago
No matter how many times I watch this scene, I never tire of it.
VotePaineJefferson 3 months ago
3:33 the "snake" remark may be a reference to Ben Franklin's old "join or die" political cartoon, and Ben isn't happy about it
kdreibel 3 months ago
@kdreibel B. Franklin look agitated because he wanted J. Adams to use tact when dealing with J. Dickinson. Both Franklin and Dickinson served on the PA. delegation.
kcufmalsi 1 month ago
At 3:50 Ben Franklin's just like, "Oh shit! No he didn't!"
Mycroft93 4 months ago
John Adams deserves a lot more credit than what has been given to him. True, he was not the best president but did compose many ideas in which,without, we would not be as great of a country. Thomas Jefferson did write the Declaration of Independence, and did a tremendous job, but without the mind of John Adams ( and Benjamin Franklin ) it may have not been as well written. John Adams truly was a brilliant man.
danteg53 4 months ago
just finished this video series from hbo ! This a great movie! Learned alot that i did not at school go rent it its worth it!!
Ja72corbin 5 months ago
Incredible. This guy was born in Yugoslavia, lives in the US, and here speaks with just a flawless remnant of a British/Irish accent. What a terrific actor. Agree with everyone who says this guy is way underrated.
xcalabur19 7 months ago 7
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@xcalabur19 'Incredible. This guy was born in Yugoslavia, lives in the US, and here speaks with just a flawless remnant of a British/Irish accent. What a terrific actor. Agree with everyone who says this guy is way underrated.' - there's nothing irish about his accent at all. He's clearly trying to do a west country (english) accent, as his character would have had at the time
YouAreAnIdiotSoThere 3 weeks ago
(One Free Nation (((Not))) Under God)
MagicTellaVision 8 months ago
@ 0:40, Adams is thinking, "You gotta be kidding me!"
RaySingh87 9 months ago
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jordankphillips 11 months ago
wow ... simply stunned by the amazing performances given , this makes me want to watch the entire series !
disengagejam 11 months ago
Note the look that Franklin directs toward Adams at 3:40. The adult who means actually to accomplish something casts a cold eye upon the hothead who just likes hearing himself shout.
keithsmd1948 11 months ago
@keithsmd1948 While this series was fairly accurate, this was not an accurate representation of Adams. Adams was highly respected by all but a few of the signers. No one did more than Adams to bring about the founding of America, and had Adams not been present, it is very probable the revolution would have fallen apart and been lost. Franklin was also important, but Adams was definitely the unsung hero of the founding fathers.
revivalfire02 8 months ago
Look insurgents... bomb them...
ORACLE063 1 year ago
@ORACLE063 : The English did
chufuss 11 months ago
I'm glad they allowed Dickinson to have his say. He made his point quite eloquently- I side with Adams on this one, but it's important to understand that many people hoped for reconciliation. Civil wars are painful things- and I do believe that our Revolution was one.
BaldGrace 1 year ago 11
@BaldGrace Agreed. And the show rightfully ends with Dickinson leading the Pennsylvania militia through the streets of Philadelphia. He was a great patriot in his own right.
AllenbysEyes 8 months ago
"It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few . . . They . . . consequently are instruments of injustice." - Thomas Paine
espada9 1 year ago 2
"I sit in judgement on no man's religion Mr Dickinson, but your QUAKER sensibilities do us a gross disservice sir!"
Ooooooooh snap!
KristianHicks 1 year ago 4
I wonder what John Adams would think of America today.
ProtestantIRA 1 year ago 6
@ProtestantIRA
He would send a letter to Washington D.C. that says "go fuck yourself, we are revolting"
Jononutoob 1 year ago
John Adams was an anti-Quakerite
Bluehawk2008 1 year ago
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timcp1 1 year ago
Where can I buy/download/buy the whole series??? This is way too COOL.
TheBrotherMouzone 1 year ago
@TheBrotherMouzone I know Hastings and Barnes and Noble both sell it. It is by far one of the best historical dramas you'll see, and while there are some small errors in accuracy they are usually only the things we historians squabble about.
melissarose8585 1 year ago
@TheBrotherMouzone Oh yeah. This seires is awesome. I still have a few episodes to watch, and it's already one of my favorites.
Stardweller1 1 year ago
2:20 is the best part
cheeseninja10101 1 year ago
Lets not overlook how Adams attacked Dickinsons religion. So The Founding Fathers where not above going after each others religion. However they did so with class, fact and fortitude. Whereas, either prior to 'anti-hate speech' people were attacking each other ad hoc, and post 'hate speech' free speech is practically curtailed.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago 4
Get'em John!!!
ionthegravity 1 year ago
I believe there is a Town in New York named after Mr James Duane Rep for NY...
xyz321123 1 year ago
What's the name of the person presiding over this assembly?
Crusader878 1 year ago
@Crusader878 John Hancock, played by Justin Theroux.
AllenbysEyes 8 months ago
Democracy vs John Adams.
John Adams rip dickinson a new one. LOL.
LatinTaco4u 1 year ago
I hate that fat newyorker in the background..
PKtheFirst 2 years ago
There is a documentary/eye witness feel in the way scenes are shot that I think are using verbatim dialogue.
aisleseatNY 2 years ago
I love the way this scene is done!! :) but its not verbatim! :(
eysblog1fan 2 years ago
I've been viewing these uploaded scenes from this HBO series & it's evident that they attempted to make inspiring scenes. But the entire series seems to be completely sterilized of the very thing which inspired the founders themselves. They knew well that by all human reasoning, to engage in war with Britain, the worlds most powerful empire, would be suicidal. However, they believed that because their cause was a righteous one & they would be fighting a wrongful one, that God's hand would favor
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
them & their just cause. After the war, they never bragged about having been mighty enough to have defeated Britain. Rather, they spoke much about "providence". Within the historical documents, the word "providence" shows up quite often. A new and free nation was founded from a step of faith
Before viewing this scene, I had a feeling that eventually I would come across a scene in which it would be depicted that the incorrect position (Dickinson) would be attributed to Christianity
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
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BlckKnight85 2 years ago
Although John Adams was also a Christian, nevertheless, his emotionally heated battle against "turn the other cheek" gives the viewer the impression of that he was more secular minded. Also from that he referred to Dickinson & his state's people as "Quakers", while Adams & Mass. were called "insurrectionists"
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
Nice try HBO, but considering that the founders often warned that if the people turned away from Christianity, they would also lose their freedom & nation (will elect tyrants)
We're currently witnessing the founders' prophetic prowess & HBO does the nation only a disservice with this revisionists, bigoted series. They can confess to it in the back seat of a taxi cab
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
Adams did not attack Christianity, he attacked Quaker pacifism because he wanted to prepare for war & the delegates from Pennsylvania were pacifists. In the end, Benjamin Franklin voted in their place.
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
@KenMacMillan
Yes, quite right. This argument is about ceremonial devotions towards the SAME principle. It has nothing to do with a clash between two contrasting belief systems.
TheGreatPrince 1 year ago
@TheGreatPrince It has nothing to do with ceremonial devotions. The Quaker religion is like the Amish religion. They don't fight. Adams was a Unitarian, they're more concerned with reality. He didn't want war but he felt that all other options were exhausted.
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
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@KenMacMillan Sorry. I should have been more clear. By ceremonial devotions I meant group A. agrees to abide by principle x, while group B., choosing to disagree and non-abide by principle x. However, both groups A and B are concerned with conduct towards the same higher power and their differences lie in the individual principles (or means) that form the body of that conduct (unnecessary pacificism vs. necessary nonpacificism).
TheGreatPrince 1 year ago
The material is as rich as the performances in this series. Can't wait to see how HBO tackles 1776!
cranky1chick 2 years ago
1776! Oh I can't wait! That will be good!
i hope
Thx1138d 2 years ago
Amazing performances by one and all. I sincerely believe the actors have become the historical characters they portray.
Astarte037 2 years ago 2
The 'Olive Branch Petition' was rejected by King George III -a year later Adm. Howe offerred the same terms which his govt. rejected the year before-but by then it was too late. The Declaraton of Independence had been written and there was no turning back. King George was too stubborn and obstinate to forsee this in 1775.
Devsfan202 2 years ago
Paul Giamatti and Tom Wilkison gave tour de force performances in this miniseries.
hollywoodwerewolf 2 years ago 24
Don't forget Danny Huston! He's great as Samuel Adams here, but have you seen The Proposition? Freaking brilliant!
carlrs15 2 years ago
@hollywoodwerewolf They are both amazing actors.
DSXmachine 1 year ago
John Adams is the original anti-globalist/anti-NWO.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
no thomas jefferson was
ORACLE063 2 years ago
I would say The Founding Fathers all were?
ThunderAppeal 2 years ago
anti globalist?...ease
WarVideo 2 years ago
You may want to look into the alien and sedition acts which Adams allowed.
StarKrazzo 2 years ago
Look up the Logan Act which BO violated during his campaign.
ThunderAppeal 2 years ago
Bad camera angling. Moves around too much.
HyperSonic9000 3 years ago
that's the point, sir
jrobertsonub 2 years ago
I always wondered what was wrong with the camera operating crew; why is the camera always shaking?
ThomasAnime 2 years ago
Yeah, feels like I'm on a boat while they're filming.
HyperSonic9000 2 years ago
This is by far the best episode of the series. Zeljko Ivanek's great performance as John Dickinson is undoubtedly a major factor.
AllenbysEyes 3 years ago 26
Oh, no kidding. I didn't even post the best scenes, because I didn't want to spoil the ending. (Besides the obvious, you know--Adams wins, there's a war.)
I was deeply disappointed Ivanek didn't get an Emmy nomination for this episode, but then he won one for _Damages_, so that was all right.
pfalzerwald 3 years ago 12
To be fair though, there were so many great performances in the series - Wilkinson, Morse, Dillane - that it's understandable why Ivanek got overlooked. Tom Hollander had a nice cameo as King George in episode 4 too, and Rufus Sewell was also quite good as Hamilton.
AllenbysEyes 3 years ago 3
@pfalzerwald Yes, he was fantastic! He really helped carry the conflict between the states during this time.
madmaxit2 1 year ago
Danny is the only reason why I would buy this or watch it.
Huston is amazing!
vampyyriTV 3 years ago
Well, he's only in the first three episodes (and only a significant part in the first two) so keep that under consideration.
AllenbysEyes 3 years ago
I found that out a few weeks ago but I still think I might buy it just to see him in the first three. Ha-ha.
vampyyriTV 3 years ago