The World At War - Fourth segment - Episode 1- Appeasement

[olivemike81]

After the war most of the Sudetaland Germans were exiled into Germany. They got what they deserved.

[marieziggy]

where's Episode 2

[wildcatfalling]

Hang on now my Uncle's knew nothing about this back in 43,they were drafted,they did not won't to go,and wanted nothing to do with a war,their father had served in ww1 and came back disabled

[kingeric77]

'Appeasement' is a historical construction that masks a far more complex reality and a deep complicity of the west in the rise of fascism...needless to say the concept has now become available for the bush-blairite doctrine of pre-emptive war

[murphicus]

'Appeasement' is also why there is an Irish Free State - and likely why there is a "Northern Ireland" - If Britain held a hard line, it's likely that they would have been in a long civil war in Ireland between WW I & WW II - and it might still be going on, or another country may have intervened.

It's very likely that relations between the US and the UK would not be nearly as close as they were, and are - if Britain had not 'appeased' the Irish with the partitioning of Ulster.

[imnazhole]

Im looking forward to getting my boxset soon for my birthday. I used to watch this all the time with my stepdad back in the 70's. No better narrator then Lawrence Olivier.

[KronprinzAdam]

Anyway, appeasement can be understood. After the carnage of WW1, millions of young people dead in the trenches, it is logical that the french and british government didn't wanted another round. So appeasement bring them hope for some months...

[mc0558]

1935 was the year for Britain, France, Italy and Belgium to act. As soon as Hitler broke the armaments provisions of the Versailles Treaty, allied troops should have deposed Hitler. And as soon as he added to that by remilitarizing the Rhineland in 1936 and broke the Treaty of Locarno, they should have acted. Twice they had every reason to put Hitler down and twice they refused to do so, with the result that they came close to losing out to Hitler completely!

[michaelwright999]

just glad hitler had no nukes in 41 london bang.

[murphicus]

Hitler was never close - at any point...

To give you some idea of the scale of it, the small town of Oak Ridge, Tennessee where the fissionable materials were produced consumed one-sixth of all of the electricity generated in the entire United States! The Manhattan Project alone likely used more electricity than the entire nation of Japan.

[michaelwright999]

Ok got you, I ment Im glad he was nowhere near it as I would be history, whats the latest real threat to our world in your fear.

[murphicus]

The Cold War was by far the biggest threat to everyone in the world. The 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis was the the very brink of a nuclear war that would have destroyed most of us. It was not until years later that we found out that many of the nukes in Cuba were ready to fire. The nuclear build up of the 80's had 70,000 nuclear weapons pointed at each other, one mistake could have destroyed the world as we know it.

When you look at our fears after 9/11, it's mind boggling to compare the threats.

[murphicus]

I grew up next to the North Dakota missile silos; If North Dakota had seceded from the Union, it would have been the world's #3 nuclear power. With Grand Forks AFB and Minot AFB, along with a missile field that was roughly the size and shape of New Jersey; that is a whole lot of bulls eyes.

I think that if we had not dropped the bombs on Japan, we would have had a much larger nuclear war at some point in the 50's or 60's

If we had dropped it on Germany, Europe would not have allowed our bases.

[murphicus]

The movie "The Day After" is up on youtube - it will give you a sense of what a REAL threat is - and it understated the aftermath.

Today, they talk about the threat of a low grade nuclear device in a major city - compare that to a full out nuclear war.

Nuclear weapons will always be "the" threat - look at the reaction to N Korea having a handful.

[TheGameMasta]

well hitler would have had the bomb but the americans captured his lead scientist in the nuclear project and finished their own which destroyed hiroshima

[murphicus]

Not true.

[michaelwright999]

I agree America never captured any scientists until 1945, yes some emigrated 1938.

[murphicus]

The Germans put almost as many resources into the development of their rocket program as the US did into the Manhattan Project.

The fact is that they did not put a "uranium device" as a priority, and no one really pushed Hitler to make it a priority. The Norwegian resistance in 1943 (with the help and guidance of the allies - a good 3 part clip is on youtube describing it) destroyed the small amount of "heavy water" (deuterium oxide) that was produced in Norway. That was in effect, the end.

[michaelwright999]

Thank God or we in Europe are history, I believe Hitler would have used nuke on the world.

[pastordude123]

no he wouldnt. he had the materials to make an a-bomb but he was much more focused on his fighter jets and v2s and such. the allies raided the heavy water factory with ground forces, and found that hitler was way behind in making an a-bomb

[GalaxyHorse]

also. much of the science, mathematical underpinnings for the A.Bomb were 'Jewish' science, and hence considered repugnant by the Nazis-this worked in the Allies favour.

[elvee88]

yet the allies could not have bombed hiroshima and nagasaki without hitlers heavy water supply they raided at telemark

[murphicus]

The allies and Norwegian resistance did not acquire heavy water in the raids, they destroyed it. To my understanding, heavy water was used as a "neutron separator" - the Manhattan Project discovered a process that used purified graphite for shielding. The allies also had a plant in Canada that produced heavy water.

[mc0558]

what nonsense!

[mysong42]

Right on Weber903 and let us not forget such wonderful sons of bitches as Bush,Volkowicz,,Cheney,and Rumsfeld the nazis of today,for they too deserve the same admiration..yeh time to take those pricks to justice...

[slashingraven]

While Yankee Doodle sails away to fight the German foe, the pacifists are shouting "Peace!" and say they shouldn't go. They claim the hatchet must be buried by the Allies now, perhaps they're right, we must have peace... and so I'll tell them how. Let's bury the hatchet, Let's bury the hatchet, Let's bury the hatchet in the Kaiser's head! We'll crown him on the noodle, make him whistle Yankee Doodle, Down came the battle-cry of Wilson!

[Fridomfry]

Nice forgotten song, thanks !

[ASgtswifeNV]

Calm down fellas, jesus,start acting like grown-ups

[jimejam43]

murphius you are an idiot clinton did more than bush, ever hear of kosovo? you fuckin retard the civil war is comin and you fascist commie ass is first on my list to hang for treason. i hope when u loose your job and are crying through the third clinton campaign youll shoot yourself and save me the rope you faggot

[murphicus]

I usually do not block people, but when they are off their meds - it's best to pull the plug.

*Poof* - Blocked

[slacknhash]

"you fascist commie ass is first on my list to hang for treason". Dear me, what are they putting in jimejam's water these days?

[murphicus]

Well, now you know how we progressives felt for most of the past 8 years. Many of our fears WERE realized and thank God the "Empire" movement got knocked off track!

If Bill Clinton had pulled 1/10th of the crap that Bush/Cheney did, the right wingers would have crucified him by now. If Bush had not invaded Iraq, we would probably have president Jeb waiting for 1/20/09;

Pure hubris!

Remember the "Permanent Republican Majority" ?

We all fear the worst of those with opposing views> Hate Radio

[dumbbo1]

I beg to differ. Bill Clinton pulled a lot of crap. In the end, the media shrugged and concentrated on Blowjobgate. They covered up his political sins with a figleaf of Sex. No big deal, right? Wink wink-nudge nudge. It sold papers and tv advertising time on the news. When 9/11/01 hit (and do not forget, this plan had been in the works for some time), the mainstreamers decided not to point to Clinton's Pollyanna-style way of thinking as having been a factor in the terrorists' success.

[murphicus]

OK - give me a factual list of what Clinton/Gore "got away with" in his 8 years - and I'll put up a list of what Bush/CHENEY 'got away with'...

We'll cover 9/11 when we get to the list... Plenty more of the Bush/Cheney stuff will be coming out as soon as they are out of power. Until 1/20/09, plenty of the people are still scared to talk.

[dumbbo1]

Missile technology to China. Preventing the CIA, FBI, and other intelligence organizations from sharing information. Forbidding the use of "dirty" informants (something police departments do regularly and with success). The war Clinton waged in Yugoslavia received precious little attention from the media, and nary a whisper from the future "Bush Lied/People Died" crowds of aging hippies and their neo-hippie grandkids.

[dumbbo1]

Sandy Burger stole Clinton-era files from the National Archives, yet was never arrested and tried. What was in them? Bush's Justice Department, for whatever reasons, let the matter drop. Perhaps it had something to do with "Filegate", when the FBI files of Republicans were "found" on a table in the White House? The so-called "Assault Rifle Ban" which had nothing to do with true assault rifles (which had been regulated since the 30's) but more to do with degrading the 2nd Amendment.

[weber903]

Hey murphicus , you call yourself a progressive as do all the other liberals. I just wanted you to know that Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Pol Pot, and Mussolini were also progressives. All of these men were always harping about being revolutionaries and bringing CHANGE to their countries. Well I think that all of them brought change and we all know how that turned out. So I wouldn't say that being a progressive is a good thing because you never know what you're progressing to.

[EnhancedNightmare]

Well they did not lie, there was a change. A dire change but significant.

[westernlight1]

Thanks for posting this murphicus. It is years since I've seen it. However it is sad and quite disturbing though to read some of the other comments posted here.

[murphicus]

Thanks for the comment - and yes, I understand that there are some comments that are very disturbing - and I've debated whether to remove them or not.

I guess I feel that exposing very sick thoughts to the light of day is better than hiding that they are out there - anyone else have thoughts on whether they should be left up or not?

[chrisdevins]

leave them...it;s good to know where people stand...

[funkyalfonso]

Murphicus, I think you are absolutely right and these comments, inanities and insanities are more disturbing than some of the Nazi scenes we witness in this series. A new generation is learning about fascism from youtube and ravings from neo-nazis is a wonderful education. I watched this landmark series in London during the 70's and it follows the progression from John Terraine's " the great war " and a BBC seies from Versailles to the beginning of the war. Thank you for posting this.

[dumbbo1]

It is now 2008, and we are reliving German history right here in the USA. Socialism and racial identity politics are poised to take over, and with them the hobbling of what remains of independent media, and even the Internet itself. Network news sticks Joe the Plumber under a microscope and tears him a new anus, but says "so what?" to Marxist terrorist Ayers, Marxist racist Wright, and other shady characters and criminals Obama has befriended over the years. God Save America From Itself!

[unclesamlovesuk]

So true, so true...

[m1santhrop3]

An 'adult survivor' armed with with a laptop instead of a 32 Smith & Wesson.

[m1santhrop3]

Hitler seems quite liberal when you consider you could openly record a video of someone's semi-naked children doing gymnastics. youtube is a lifeline for someone with my illness whilst under the confines of house arrest.

how i miss the happy screams of the playground. . .

[theoldgalah]

I'd cut your head off with a spoon If I could get you,or leave you tied to a tree in the bush far far away..........

[Beanfold]

But if you happened to touch any of those children, you would be shot in the head immediately without hesitation, unlike now in the West where would you get a slap on the wrist.

[chrisdevins]

dude,

u shouldn't play like that...that particular subject is a dead end...for you...watch your back

[m1santhrop3]

ok thanks for the heads-up bronson.

[murphicus]

I accidentally removed the "We shall rise again - vermin" comment... I take solace that by that time you will be gone - and likely you will be recycled into one of the "vermin" that these fascist cliques need to survive - Karma will be a bitch for those with your state of "mind"...

[tranmere789]

"World at war"-serie has big minus. It was made in 70's and it handled Stalin's Sovjet Union with silky gloves. In 1924 Sovjet leaders made decision to take countries like baltic, Finland and Poland back under Sovjet control in first possible chance. Stalin used Hitler as "icebreaker".

"Word at War" has "finlandiesierung" attitude.

[Malaka57]

In 1924 the USSR was hardly in a position to flush a toilet. But there were indeed connections between Germany and the fledgling Bolshevik state. Nevertheless, you forget that the western powers maintained quite a strong anti-Soviet propaganda throughout the 20s and 30s, and were certainly hoping that AH would go and invade the hated Commies, no matter what the human cost. That's why everyone was so insulted by the Ribb/Mol pact.

[Fridomfry]

murphicus, thanks for bringing common sense among these comments...

I love these people who'd take any propaganda as gospel, and believe that Hitler was not surrounded with corrupt politicians, too ! Just look at Goering...

[meinfuhrer2]

As I watch America Fall in Moral and Finacial Defeat

Long Live the Furher !

I am now but a very old solider a veteran of the great 2nd war !

but the Wehrmacht shall rise again

And yes I love America for it is the United States Freedom that shall bring her down !

you do not need an army to bring her down she will crumble from inside !

Look at all of your Democratic Cities example Detroit ! the rest of the US will crumble just like Detroit !

[murphicus]

Last time I checked, Detroit was still standing. You are living on flawed programming - Did the Soviet Union fall because of freedom.

America is a self correcting entity - The Third Rake committed suicide and put it's people through the pain of rebuilding (with the help of the West) while Hitler took the cowards way out.

Live in the now... There is more to life than marching in straight lines.

[emmteez]

We shall see...if so we go down with glory I'm sure of it. Good day.

[rcroton]

A very un-British cowardice in abandoning the Czechs and Slovaks, that's for sure.

[EnigmaticCZM]

i dont mean this in the wrong way but the Nazis and all of WWII has such great history!

[murphicus]

They were masters of PR photo ops and suppressing anything counter to their message. Lots of great photographers with a mission can do that if you remove all the other images.

Politics was changed forever by their techniques.

Imagine what would have happened in America if Iraq had gone smoothly and there were NO negative press. No books by former generals or cabinet members; McClellan. Jeb Bush would be elected President in November and congress would be a firmer rubber stamp W/huge majority

[AllanR2D2]

This particular segment is telling. The Allies pretending things weren't happening and then did nothing about it. Perhaps, this segment of history tried to repeat or is repeating itself?

[stalinistaussie]

Mmmmmmmmmmm look at Israel and Iran.

[Emzport]

I studied Nazi Germany in History right the way through to A level and it used to get so complicated sometimes but this documentary explains things much more clearly, like why the industrialists tolerated Hitler and so on, the credit music sends chills up my spine! Thanks for uploading!

[ch3h4b]

please can anyone tell me what is the name of that German March song ?

and btw GREAT ww2 doc iv seen it all ^^

[SchulzMen]

THE german / prussian march is called: "Preußens Gloria" or "Glory of Prussia" in english, writen by Gottfried Piefke.

Then you have "Der Hohenfriedberger" / "The Hohenfriedberger", writen by King Friedrich II. of Prussia, the "bayrischer Defiliermarsch" / "bavarian defilliermarch", writen by Adolf Scherzer and, very special the "Des Großen Kurfürsten Reitermarsch" / the great Prince-Elector's horserider-march, writen by Lieutenant General Count Kuno von Moltke!

[Euroman25]

God I hate them Nazis,

[blade0954]

u dont like nazis,

[Kaplank89]

Is there any fifth segment or episode 2 ?!

[iluvirishboys]

i know this is helping me so much more than just going over my textbook lol

[stperkin]

This documentary is so good. It makes sense of the complex enigma that was WWII.

[SHarmapython76]

Hello Great Video and good quality. I was wondering if you know the german song at approx 1:34. This might be weird but if you please let me know. Thanks

[wcarlpdrysdale]

no sound

[murphicus]

Try restarting your computer - check the mute & the volume lever on the player.

[daltonagre]

this TV serie was made in 1970 decade.I never watched a better TV serie, about World War II, than this.

[scottbos68]

does someone have episode 2

[murphicus]

Most libraries have this series now. If they do not, they will likely get it if you request it. Amazon has a great deal on the 11 DVD set too.